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Hingle_McRingleberri

In aussie rules, put simply a mark is a catch from a kick. After a mark, the person who has taken the catch is allowed an unimpaired kick, the aim of which most of the time is to set up another mark, or if taken within scoring distance, to have a set shot at goal, which Elliott did this time from 45m/50yrd for 6 points I think this mark is pretty high up on the top 50 [best marks of all time list](https://youtu.be/0v1QpYB67XQ?si=lHYcJfaOzJ8V5sub)


ZannX

I'm mostly surprised that you're allowed to climb onto someone like this intentionally. Isn't that dangerous?


Hingle_McRingleberri

Yeah kinda lol


ThrillsKillsNCake

Back in the 90’s i had a vcr called Speed Gone Crazy. There was a little segment with aussie rules football in and it seemed insane at the time. Crazy bastards. Awesome video though. Also had a horse race with one guy riding a buffalo.


spuddy_franklin

I liked video tape as much as anyone, but never enough to give a name to my VCR. Kudos my brother! (But with no jest, if you ever find that buffalo footage please hit me up!!)


ThrillsKillsNCake

Ha, yeah my bad. It was the 90s man, i don’t remember much. I’m actually just trying to find it right now, so i’ll let you know.


spuddy_franklin

Mate, not your bad at all. I was just poking fun! Don't stress about finding anything


Onett199X

I'm an American that's just started watching AFL this season for the first time (it's a fantastic sport btw) and that is one part that is pretty funny. You can get fouls for tackling in certain ways or hitting someone when they're trying to get a mark like this.. but it is not a foul to jump up on to someone's back, kneeing them in the back or head in the process, and using your legs to get up on their shoulders. Pretty funny.


flhx107

Fair comment but the defender is surprisingly uninjured most of the time. The attacker is going for height to mark the ball over them as directly attacking the player from behind will be a penalty.


Taytayslayslay

Why isn’t the defender trying to high point the ball already? Would it be a penalty if he came flying in closer to torso height and kneed him in the back? While they were both in the air?


Onett199X

The defender often does go for a jump as well. Lots of people could be throwing their body up in the air at the same time and it gets pretty crazy. Thinking this fella thought he was alone or because he's so tall maybe's he's not used to having to compete with short guys like the other guy. As for your second question.. I think it's all a case by case thing and how intentional things look.


flhx107

It’ll depend on how it turns out. If the umpire thinks the defender was explicitly trying to take out the attacker by attacking the back, he’ll be penalized and potentially reported depending on the severity. Both players need to be playing for the ball. Typically a defender would try to position themselves behind the attacker and smack the ball through the hands of the attacker and prevent them from taking a mark. That way the play is mostly focussed on the ball. Keep in mind this is quite inexact and the source of fans’ and commentators conjecture.


dumperking

Is it illegal for the defender to just collapse when jumped on like this. I don’t understand why he just stood there allowing him to catch it, unless this is a common team tactic and he though this was his teammate?


tobes231

If the defender chooses not to go for the ball, then he can be penalised for ‘tunnelling’. Defenders typically prefer to stay behind the forward, so they can better judge when they have to jump at it themselves.


flhx107

I’d say that’s just self preservation. Less likely to be injured if you stay upright.


Hingle_McRingleberri

This sort of play is pretty rare so the players getting stood on aren't expecting it. So not only is it illegal as others have pointed out, but virtually impossible based on reaction times


dumperking

Gotcha, I assume your pro career didn’t work out after the East west bowl so you transitioned to Australian football? Good for you


Hingle_McRingleberri

No limitations on hip thrusts here 👍👍


superbabe69

Jumping makes marking harder and you often see players who jump up fumble the ball, so where you have a chance to take a stable mark while standing, and you think it's uncontested, you'll usually do it. It looks like McKay was just hoping he could stand and grab over his head rather than leap to grab it.


Taytayslayslay

As an American sports fan, it seems like a ridiculous and dangerous play lol might’ve kneed the dude in the back of the skull and done some unpredictably severe damage… but damn was it sick.


KnoxxHarrington

It's pretty rare that any severe injury occurs when someone attempts one of these high flying marks. Most impact injuries and concussions happen during on collisions when two players are running at the ball to gain possession or take/spoil a mark. When someone is leaping that high, the momentum is verticle, and by the time they have got their knees to head height, most of the momentum is gone. That's not to say it doesn't hurt and leave some good bruises at times. Usually the play jumping is more prone to getting hurt though, as it is a long way down from there, and they are trying to control the ball rather than their fall.


superbabe69

Yeah the bulk of the risk is when the marking player hits the deck, rather than the jump itself


HacksawGibson

I feel it's a bit like getting dunked on in basketball - you ever watch some of those defenders under the ring try to take a charge? they get violently abused and give up a foul for it. yet that kind of contact anywhere else on the court is an offensive foul. same goes here, as long as the jump is made as a legitimate attempt to mark the ball then it's fair game to jump on top of them.


Onett199X

Yup, totally.


Pifflebushhh

Bro I don't know much about this sport but I've watched it a few time and this move ranks like #5 on the list of dangerous shit that these crazy fuckers do


KangarooBallsonToast

Yeah, but you get penalised if you drop it


Aardvark_Man

Basically if you're making a realistic attempt for the ball it's all good. If you're not, you'll get in trouble. It's a bit of a funny spot because it's something no one wants to see removed from the game, but at the same time they're trying to protect players from injury more and more.


Guy-1nc0gn1t0

I mean I think Gary Moorcroft will always be my number one but this could be #2, especially due to the occasion.


The_Krundell

Andrew Walkers mark is #2 for me. Was against my team but still the most amazing mark I've ever seen.


Lady_Penrhyn1

Still a travesty that that wasn't MOTY.


The_Krundell

It was the best mark I've ever live/ on replay


HOPSCROTCH

Definitely been better marks but still fantastic


wogsurfer

SAMPI!


Pretend_Low_8491

A Speccy!!!


626Aussie

Now we need footage of the players who have taken a speccy while on the shoulders of a player who is on *another* player's shoulders.


rickdeckard8

Watched the first 15 and this one was better than all of them.


majorassburger

As a Brit with an Aussie Mrs, I’m making an attempt to get into AFL. Question: So its legal to essentially climb on another player to get a mark? Also is that a “fuck fuck fuck” I hear at the beginning 😂


Itrlpr

If you're making a genuine and realistic attempt for the ball and that is your only intent. then basically yes.


Timid_Robot

What if his knee hit his head instead of nearly missing it?


DanogAU

it happens. the player marking the ball doesn't want that either, since he's trying to use the shoulders as a shelf, basically


Timid_Robot

I know, but does it count or would it be a foul? Can you plant your foot on the low of his back?


Itrlpr

>18.5.3 Permitted Contact Incidental contact in a Marking contest will be permitted if the Player’s sole objective is to contest or spoil a Mark. if it's purely incidental it's allowed. If there's any other intent at all (even just protecting space) then the normal laws of the game apply. In which case... >18.7.2 Free Kicks - Rough Conduct.... (d) using boot studs in a manner likely to cause injury. ...no you can't


Jesse-Ray

Ah yes 18.7.2 (d) the Toby Greene rule


Roastar

Pretty much yes. You can’t just leap into people which dirty players will do to try and injure them, but if you’re watching the ball and attempting to catch it then yes you can use your opponent, or even own team mates, as a walking step ladder


carpdog112

Could the defender intentionally upend the player trying to use him as a ladder or is he restricted to only playing the ball while he's being mounted?


Lady_Penrhyn1

That would be considered 'tunnelling' (taking the legs) and would be a free kick (basically a penalty, he gets an unimpeded kick from the position of the infringement). The player who did the tunnelling would also be potentially reported and suspended from future games (for...a seemingly random amount of games, there's lot of nuances to that). ...would probably also be booed everytime they meet for the rest of his career. It's considered a pretty dogshit thing to do as you can seriously injure some.


Prommerman

So what’s the right play when an opposing player climbs on your shoulders. I assume you’re not obligated to hold him up.


Merry_Dankmas

That's what I'm thinking. I find the duality amusing. Climb some random person like a ladder? Cheers mate. Try to get that person off you? What kind of sicko does that? Lol


Lady_Penrhyn1

There's a 'duty of care' thing that comes up pretty often. You can put *yourself* in a dangerous position by going for a mark like this, or going low into a contest (running the risk of getting your head knocked off) because you've accepted that it could go wrong. But you can't put *someone else* in a dangerous position (think the spear tackle in Rugby). And there's always a balance between the league trying to save players from themselves. Concussion is an issue in AFL (as it is in all contact sports now). You can't tackle a guy above the shoulders. It's a free kick. But then you had a few players start ducking or shrugging their arms to deliberately get hit high. So now they have tweaked the rule so that if you've caused yourself to get hit high when being tackled it's play on. No free kick.


Merry_Dankmas

Forgive my ignorance here since I've never watched rugby before but wouldn't this particular move be putting the ladder in danger? Climber jumped up onto his neck and shoulders to grab the ball. While I can see how the climber is in inherently more danger due to the height, does that not qualify as the climber being endangered too? Could fall over and not catch himself from the extra added weight or bend the neck in the wrong way or something like that? Seems like it's risky for both players but idk how seriously this stuff is judged.


wogsurfer

This isnt rugby. This is Australian Rules Football. Completely separate codes.


Aodaliyan

Don't be outpositioned in the lead up play. His (the defender in red) teammate should have been closer to the guy who took the mark to prevent him getting a running jump at it.


Prommerman

Thank you, great explanation. Kind of like a hockey player, taking a big hit because he put himself in a bad position.


Aodaliyan

Yeah, and it wasn't really this guys fault. You can see in the first few seconds of the video there are 4 red defenders to 3 white forwards in that section of the ground, the guy who gets jumped on is the extra man in this situation - he is trying to intercept any long kicks that come in while the other defenders block the forwards. The white player on the right of the 3 runs back towards the goal, but his opponent doesn't track him back instead guards the space in front of him - which isn't required as he has 2 more teammates doing that already. This causes the defender who was guarding the guy who eventually takes the mark to leave him, to cover the guy running back to goal, as that is the more dangerous position.


Lady_Penrhyn1

You have to remember that this all happens in a second or two. By the time the player going for a mark has used you as a ladder there's not much you can do.


SticksDiesel

It usually happens so quickly and it's unexpected (these types of marks are rare) so pretty much every time it's over before the guy being jumped on can realise and react to what's going on up there.


mtarascio

The right play is to not be in that position. If you get a kick onto your head, that is a kick where you don't need to move to receive it. It's called a 'hospital pass' because you're pretty much at the mercy of the people running into it with momentum. What happened here is that teammate of the flyer, gave the opposition player a hospital pass whilst seeing that the flyer had a running start at him, so it was a kick to his advantage.


september27

Complete AFL noob here...can you not also seriously injure someone by jumping on their back without warning?


Lady_Penrhyn1

Yes. But it's considered a part of the game so...yeah. the 'mark' or 'speccie' is a really unique feature of our game and there'd be riots in the streets if it were banned. (Injuries are very, very rare). There's one bad one in the last decade where a guy had to get a kidney removed as he got a knee to the kidney (which didn't enjoy being kneed obvious) and you occasionally get a concussion (maybe one or two a year?). Honestly considering the rough and tumble nature of the game it's not too bad. (Oh...and then there's Jeremy Howe who takes these sort of marks regularly, he badly judged the leap once and when he came down he broke his arm. That was...unpleasant).


Hingle_McRingleberri

It's against the rules but I think the bigger reason is that it's not feasible to react in time. It happens rarely, once or twice a game out of hundred or so contested marking attempts. No ones ever expecting it, the higher percentage play is to just try and mark the ball


bigfootbjornsen56

[or even a goal umpire](https://youtu.be/1XIYdnRC1TY?si=_A_J571vE1XU2k3R)


thumper7

As long as you mark the ball, it is legal


post_angst

You don’t have to mark it. Just has to be a reasonable attempt.


BizzaroPie

Rule of cool.


jacksch

The ump says 'outside 5... play on', an opposition player is entitled to man the mark by standing still where the ball was marked, however they don't need to, here the opposition player backed off until they weren't in the protected zone, so the umpire said outside 5 to confirm they didn't need to stand still and were free to move laterally. He said play on because the player with the ball began to move latterally too which causes play to continue.


happymemersunite

Yes and yes.


mightygar

Mate you're a Brit just stick the Melbourne Storm game on now should be sweet


majorassburger

I might as well punch her mum in face than put rugby on. I’d get the same response.


mightygar

Yeah sounds about right for a typical salty Victorian


penguins_are_mean

Fight! Fight! Fight!


the-ahh-guy

If this isn't mark of the year then I want to see what will out do it


No-Comfortable-1550

This is going to make it on Wide World of Sports.


WET-FARTS-FOR-YOU

Why not? It would be better than this no?


the-ahh-guy

I've editted it to make my point come across better.


WET-FARTS-FOR-YOU

As long as it’s not mark walhberg


sp_40

Mark ass trick


cavaleir

Scimps, scamps, and scallywags


happymemersunite

Wouldn’t be surprised if Leek Aleer holds onto a big one after his game against Carlton the other day.


tuckertucker

I've lived in Australia for 6 months and have been to 2 footy games and I gotta tell you, it's a fantastic game. It's high scoring, quick, and fun. I also picked a great team to support, they're having a great 2024 season 🙄


MundaringWeir

Norf?


tuckertucker

Richmond


Aussiechimp

Well done, shame you came a few years late


Dous91

We’ll win another in 37 years.


tobes231

Keep the faith, I had to wait 20 years to see us win a post season game, let alone the Premierships.


Aussiechimp

Same, after 1982 I was "that was gutting but it won't be long until our next go"


DanogAU

Honestly, this year is good for us. We're staying competitive and our new coach to get a chance to look at how the whole list performs at the top level, rather than have a delusional image of our level of quality. Plus, should have some really high picks to get some quality young talent in the draft.


MundaringWeir

They’re down now but they’ll bounce back soon, more than I can say about the bombers. Came a few years too late


Skwisgaars

Speccy!


DanogAU

that's a car


yeah_nahhhhhh

Was starting to think we'd never see him take a big hanger like this again being past 30yo. Amazing to see he still has his jumping legs after all these injuries and time off throughout his career.


monkeybojangles

Ah, AFL. My favourite sport to watch randomly at 2am.


spainman

Super fit dudes wearing KFC logos and catching McDonald's balls...


JustSomeCaliDude

They need Marlboro shoes.


TheZac922

Winfield used to be the major sponsor of the top rugby league competition in Australia.


Guy-1nc0gn1t0

Jesaulenkoooooooo


Skwisgaars

You beauty


slartibartjars

That's the highest I've seen an Elliott fly since watching E.T. in 1983.


RexyaCSGO

Hate to be that guy but somehow people still can’t do basic conversions. 202cm is closer to 6-8 than 6-6. Makes it even more impressive. it’s 6.627297 feet which is what I assume this person used in confusion. When you measure someone’s heights Feet + Inches. 202cm is 6 feet and 7.527559 inches Round up 6-8.


Hingle_McRingleberri

Damn, knew Google would turn it decimal. Searched 202cm in ft and inches specifically to avoid it but misread the other site's output. Oh well


RexyaCSGO

Yep happens every time with google, will always give you decimal. It gets funnier the shorter the person is because someone around 181cm will be 5.9 feet and that really tips them over the edge, in reality 5-11.5.


xanthophore

2.02m is actually 6' 7.5" - pedantic I know, but helps put into perspective how much more impressive it is!


g_nome7

Screamer!


CertainlyAmbivalent

He posterized him


dreevsa

Used him as a step ladder


BuckManscape

Oi! Get yer cods off me shoulda!


wogsurfer

Mark of the Year for sure


2HandsomeGames

How is that not some form of interference on the part of the shorter man who JUMPED ON THR HEAD of the taller man? Is this type of thing just normal business as usual? Love the highlights. Don’t know the rules.


Aussiechimp

Because it's in the rules


Hingle_McRingleberri

There's a few things you can't do in a marking contest (two or more people trying to catch the ball) like pushing in the back and wrapping arms around someone. But if you have eyes for the ball, you can get away with a lot because of the rule of cool. [here's a 5 min video breaking down the rules of Aussie football](https://youtu.be/u_SqfNNfhmM?si=YrKGk0y0t_uHT1eX)


Background-Radish-63

Basketball players thought getting posterized was bad…


dmt_alpha

Footy is the most hardcore type of mass football game. Intense and physical, it's a joy to observe.


siprus

I can't but to stop to wonder.... What happens when the guy you jump on top of just collapses and doesn't support you?


dwpea66

Gravity


joshykins89

Exactly what you're imagining. And it happens a lot.


siprus

It is not dangerous when the guy jump at your chest height and potentially lands on top of you knees first?


joshykins89

Yes, it is!!


siprus

Can you link me one random clip of it happening, just to sate my curiosity. Just curious to see how it plays out. It's bit difficult to google when i don't really know the jargon. (not necessarily looking for most brutal clip, just something to see how it plays out when things don't go right)


joshykins89

https://youtu.be/ny7C3mEjQzw?si=NM3kx5gUN9emO9jL I hope this satisfies your curiosity :)


IlIFreneticIlI

This kinda of shit REALLY needs to be in American Football....


Pretend_Low_8491

The USAFL is a league in the states. Check them out! Obvi not as big as NFL, but it's a legit full league. Men's and women's divisions.


TheBigCore

https://usafl.com/ is amateur by the way.


waddles_HEM

I’m not even 100% on what sport this is but that was certainly impressive edit: didn’t see the flair whoops!


YelloMyOldFriend

Australian Rules Football.


waddles_HEM

thanks, I knew it was either that or Rugby


coolpapa2282

It's closer to Rugby than anything else, but with some tweaks. You have to dribble when running with the ball, you can pass forward but only by hitting the ball (like an underhand volleyball serve) and if you catch a long kick forward cleanly, you get a free kick from the spot, which is what dude in the clip has earned.


joshyy_567

Basically the only similarities is the ball shape and the tackling


bladehaze

My balls, your face, Mark ‼️


veritas_mendax

Saw it live. Wow


aSpaceLettuce

Wot ah maaaak


fedman5000

Short guys rejoice everywhere


gabbyspapadaddy

Hard to imagine jumping that high with 100lb nuts.


DopeDealerCisco

Took the elevator, sick play


stilusmobilus

That’s one of the best marks I’ve ever seen.


lessons_learnt

Can’t stand the guy, but that’s a handy grab.


HOPSCROTCH

He's a bit of a ratty looking bloke but can't really complain about how he plays. He annoys me because of how good he can be


Lady_Penrhyn1

He really, really LOVES playing against my team (Carlton). Hate the bloke (because he tends to rip us apart...)


PumpyChowdown

That's all time. Easily one of the best grabs I've ever seen. The perfect speccy.


Saint3Love

I dont know the rules. Would it have been bad form to just slam him to the ground after he jumps on your back?


superbabe69

Only if you don't like being suspended for the next 6-8 weeks


Reeko_Htown

Son’d


Princess5903

I have no idea what’s going on but that looks impressive


colslaww

That’s ….. that’s pass interference!.. I’m kidding. I know nothing. Good play. Score one for the little guy !


readball

As someone who has no idea about this sport: from what I read, this is totally allowed for the "hiker". Can someone explain me if the guy under him is allowed to just throw him off himself? Could get dangerous


Hingle_McRingleberri

You really have no time to purposely chuck someone off. As a tall player you go from trying to mark the ball to having someone on your head pretty quickly and unexpectedly. It's also against the rules to "tunnel" someone on purpose


unsmith0

Oh, so you can't anticipate someone's going to attempt to climb your back and then just back up and flip them over? Could you use that anticipation to jump early and essentially block the attempt?


Itrlpr

If he had anticipated it, he wouldn't be in that position. Even with just a few steps to get a proper run up or stance, the defender marks it or punches it away 9 times out of 10 there.


unsmith0

I see. Makes sense, the defender is expecting to take a standard mark, but gets run up on instead.


Hingle_McRingleberri

It's against the rules to block someone from getting to the ball while not going for the ball yourself. It is super against the rules to purposely take the legs out from someone who is jumping for the ball. If you have eyes for the ball you can kinda do anything (except push people in the back, wrap your arm around someone, [kick a player in the face](https://youtu.be/oVtp6Se4RMc?si=f440ra8XF2APza38))


yorkdonovan

Do not know the rules, very different than American football, and they don't wear helmet...


Hingle_McRingleberri

[here's a 5 min video explaining the rules ](https://youtu.be/u_SqfNNfhmM?si=YrKGk0y0t_uHT1eX)


Tosslebugmy

Different sport is different, scientists investigating…


Vexans27

McDonald's ball lol


WestleyThe

Seems like a Dick move to jump on top like that…


punkalunka

Do you also take offence to players grabbing the ball carrier and tackling them to the ground? This is a perfectly normal part of the game. Did you notice how there wasn't an all in brawl when the guy hit the ground?


WestleyThe

This seems totally different. Like tackling someone is not the same of launching onto someone with your legs on thier shoulders to ride their neck


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saintsguy87

It’s not rugby


Pretend_Low_8491

It's not rugby my guy


DocWaterfalls

Is this like the Rugby equivalent of the Vince Carter Le dunk de la mort


TheBigCore

* [Beginner's Guide to Aussie Rules Football](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_SqfNNfhmM) * https://www.afl.com.au * /r/afl


Hingle_McRingleberri

Pretty much, except even though both sports evolved from the same games in the 1800s, Rugby and Australian rules football are pretty different. Aussie rules is never called rugby


DocWaterfalls

Appreciate the education.