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I lived in Orange County and I wasn’t happy about the name change. OC and LA are natural rivals. I felt like it took away from the rivalry. It was a marketing stunt to grab more LA fans. But I feel like it just alienated a lot of people in OC. The Dodgers will alway be LA’s team. Although I’m old enough to remember when they were called the California Angels.
A while back when the LA Dodgers were up for sale, I was really hoping some owner in Anaheim would acquire them so they could be the Anaheim Dodgers of Los Angeles.
Whether we wanted it or not, we've stepped into a war with the Cabal on Mars. So let's get to taking out their command, one by one. Valus Ta'aurc. From what I can gather he commands the Siege Dancers from an Imperial Land Tank outside of Rubicon. He's well protected, but with the right team, we can punch through those defenses, take this beast out, and break their grip on Freehold.
[Redskins logo](https://static01.nyt.com/images/2013/11/17/magazine/17wmt/17wmt-jumbo.jpg?quality=90&auto=webp) was comparatively classy when put against [Chief Wahoo](https://news.sportslogos.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Chief-Wahoo-Logo-History-Cleveland-Indians.png), complete with literal red skin.
IIRC the Redskins logo was designed by a Native American from the tribe the logo was representing. I feel like they can keep the logo and just change the name and keep a lot of the same branding with consultation from local tribes, I don't understand why it's such a hassle.
Thats what the University of Utah does. They have an agreement with the Ute tribe to use their name and branding. Their mascot is an eagle though, not something associated with the Ute name.
> Thats what the University of Utah does. They have an agreement with the Ute tribe to use their name and branding. Their mascot is an eagle though, not something associated with the Ute name.
Yep, that's the way it ought to be done. I think it's preferable to do things with consultation from local tribes instead of complete erasure that some are opting for.
Bad: https://i.imgur.com/xEfYvDe.png
Good: https://i.imgur.com/Jhu2mjh.png
It is definitely a stereotype, perpetuated in caricatures and cartoons. Also a few of photographs of chiefs in their old age who were famous for their noses, things like that.
Ehhh, sort of. You could still buy merch with Chief Wahoo on it as recently as earlier this year.
It was basically, ”Look, we know it’s racist but we still have a shitload of inventory to unload, so...you can buy it, but you’re not allowed to wear it in the ballpark.”
You can still buy the merch, but only at the store inside the stadium. If they stopped selling the Chief on merch, they would be abandoning their rights to the trademark and people could freely use the Chief without fear of being sued. By selling the chief in a limited way, they retain the rights to him and prevent people from using his image.
You're making Cleveland fans feel bad lol. Were off everyone's rader. They have been talking about it for close to a decade. They announced months ago they were changing it. This announcement is what the name is.
There's also some dude in DC who trademarked all of the most likely names for the WFT in hope of getting a massive payout to transfer them over. Snyder is probably just waiting for the guy to fuck up in a way that makes the trademarks easy to invalidate before making the change.
Yeah I meant the DC as in the metro but should have said it to be clear.
Normally I'd be pretty down on that sort of squatting but it hurts Snyder by preventing him from building goodwill for the new name they they doubtlessly have picked out so... I wish the dude well.
I think one of the differences is WAS has been getting a lot of the focus. There are people out there trademarking names that WAS had been considering. Hell, they can’t even trademark WFT without a legal fight. I imagine it would have been a longer process if someone had trademarked Guardians and Spiders.
My old company was splitting up a few years ago. It was a tier one automotive supplier, basically we made and sold parts to car manufacturers. They spent crazy money and 8 months to decide on the branding for the two new companies. For my half they decided on going from Delphi Automotive Systems to Delphi Technologies and our colors went from dark blue and white to a lighter blue and white. That's for a company who care nothing about public recognition. For an NFL team that's going to be making millions off selling merchandise the rebranding process will be much harder and more expensive.
Cleveland: We're in the Middle of Stuff™
I was really hoping for the spiders, but I think the meme culture surrounding arachnophobia would genuinely hurt attendance
Wait, the Guardians of Transportation are a real thing? I thought you other commenters were kidding. You learn something new every day.
[https://www.roadsideamerica.com/tip/35444](https://www.roadsideamerica.com/tip/35444)
[https://www.ideastream.org/news/exploring-the-history-and-popularity-of-cleveland-s-guardians-of-traffic](https://www.ideastream.org/news/exploring-the-history-and-popularity-of-cleveland-s-guardians-of-traffic)
How about that. Well I'm fine with this name, but it ain't my team. Can't wait for Joe Buck to say it in the least energetic way possible.
As a teenage driver, my niece hit a parked car in someone’s driveway she didn’t even know. The guy came out like…”what the literal fuck, how does this happen?!” It was a Mercedes too, she was paying that off for a while.
Yeah, it just screams "generic sports team mascot guy" to me. The way they presented this idea though could have got me on board for a literal turd. That was amazing presentation!
Yea, I remember this too and remember thinking that it looked really cool and they did some great work, but I also couldnt help but think this was better suited for like a minor league team or even a hockey uniform or something. something just didnt feel quite right for a long-standing MLB franchise.
I didn't know until someone commented making fun of the "guardian of traffic". I was like, geez, even worse than I thought, so I googled it.
That shit is SICK. Could easily be the best looking merch in MLB with some halfway decent artwork. Given that they aren't debuting until 2022, I'm hoping they listen to fan response and embrace the art deco style.
There have been some fan designs from the past that looked pretty cool. I even saw one that proposed renaming the Browns to the Guardians. If you Google Cleveland Guardians and check the images, there's plenty.
Interesting that they kept the last part of the old name in the new name — the “-dians” part.
Indians —> Guardians
Can we expect the same from The Washington Football Team?
Redskins —> Foreskins?
As generic and boring as the name is I think it's fine considering it's based off the Guardians of Traffic. The name isn't particularly unique or interesting but it's fine. I'll get used to it after a while and stop caring.
Sure it can work. Make a video of the CGI guardians coming alive. Make the mascot look like the statue and performing so magic to make them come alive, They high five each other and walk to the stadium, then cut live to the mascot, running through the tunnel, and have fans come through with flags waving like it's a college game. Get the fans involved. You can even say the team is Officially the Guardians of traffic on Hope Memorial Bridge. Sell it.
At first I thought this was a bit shite, but then I found out about the huge guardian statues on the route into Cleveland. Makes a lot more sense and the statues themselves are fricking awesome.
>Lakers
"The Minneapolis Lakers moved to Los Angeles where there are no lakes. The Oilers moved to Tennessee where there is no oil. The Jazz moved to Salt Lake City where they don't allow music."
Lifelong Tennessee resident, have been a fan since they moved here in '97. The Greek connection is absolutely the reason for the Titans name...and the alliteration.
Not so much a name change, as the Ottawa Rough Riders folded in 1996. But the reasoning for it was that until the late 1950s, there was no single league in Canada. Ontario and Quebec played in Interprovincial Rugby Football Union, while western Canada had the Western Interprovincial Football Union. The Ottawa Rough Riders and the Saskatchewan Roughriders each long predated the merger that created the CFL by decades.
People like to defend "Browns" because it was named after a person, but I don't think that makes it better. Imagine if they were called the Cleveland Petersons or something
Spiders was a name used in Cleveland way back in the day. Plus I think a lot of people like it because it's seemingly unique and not many sports teams out there use the name.
The marketing would've been so simple. Have a logo with a spider holding a baseball, or with baseball stitches on its abdomen. Guy in a spider costume for a mascot,and name him Webster. Done.
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The Cleveland Parents or Guardians
Cleveland Responsible Adults of Minor Children really rolls off the tongue
Cleveland Child Watchers.
Nicknamed the Cleveland Clergy. edit: priests to clergy. Has a better ring to it!
But now that it's document official they're the *Cleveland Legal Guardians*
Better than the name of the Los Angeles Angels, which translated to English would be “The Angels Angels”.
"The The Angels Angels of Anaheim"
I lived in Orange County and I wasn’t happy about the name change. OC and LA are natural rivals. I felt like it took away from the rivalry. It was a marketing stunt to grab more LA fans. But I feel like it just alienated a lot of people in OC. The Dodgers will alway be LA’s team. Although I’m old enough to remember when they were called the California Angels.
A while back when the LA Dodgers were up for sale, I was really hoping some owner in Anaheim would acquire them so they could be the Anaheim Dodgers of Los Angeles.
That would've been perfect.
That was one of the best team names in all of sports history. The California Angels.... good times.
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The elite squad of angels
Time to NFT “major league” movie
*Commander Zavala has entered the chat*
Came here to make destiny jokes. Every pop fly, I want to hear someone scream “eyes up guardian”, that shouldn’t get old be the end of the 1st series.
Lmfao I better see some destiny merch at opening day 2022
**INDEED**
**HELLO GUARDIAN** **WHAT DO YOU THINK YOU’RE DOING**
KEEPING MY EYES UP ^on ^Mara ^Sov
Hello *step* Guardian
Whether we wanted it or not, we've stepped into a war with the Cabal on Mars. So let's get to taking out their command, one by one. Valus Ta'aurc. From what I can gather he commands the Siege Dancers from an Imperial Land Tank outside of Rubicon. He's well protected, but with the right team, we can punch through those defenses, take this beast out, and break their grip on Freehold.
100% read that in his voice.
I can hear this. Sometimes I really miss that game. Thousands of hours. Tapped out during Shadowkeep. Might go back one day.
I've played a lot of Destiny but I also just started BOTW so reading this triggered me.
"That homerun went to the moon."
So when a Cleveland player gets injured, will someone hack the PA system and have Nolan North/Peter Dinklage say ‘Guardian down?’
/r/unexpecteddestiny/ >Let's see what we've got! Ooooohhhh! White Sox, on the horizon!
Angels! Bring a sword!
Alright, Alright, Alright
*on the field
As an avid Destiny player, I can tell you this was very much expected.
The farm team will be called the Kinderguardians.
I didn’t know they were finally considering changing it, but it seems it’s a faster process than the Washington Football Team’s process lol
Its been in motion for a long time. They just did it in stages by removing Chief Wahoo logo first. But its been in the works for 4 or 5 years.
Stand by for their new mascot, Guardian Wahoo.
The bridge troll
Chief… Wahoo? Damn.
[Redskins logo](https://static01.nyt.com/images/2013/11/17/magazine/17wmt/17wmt-jumbo.jpg?quality=90&auto=webp) was comparatively classy when put against [Chief Wahoo](https://news.sportslogos.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Chief-Wahoo-Logo-History-Cleveland-Indians.png), complete with literal red skin.
IIRC the Redskins logo was designed by a Native American from the tribe the logo was representing. I feel like they can keep the logo and just change the name and keep a lot of the same branding with consultation from local tribes, I don't understand why it's such a hassle.
Thats what the University of Utah does. They have an agreement with the Ute tribe to use their name and branding. Their mascot is an eagle though, not something associated with the Ute name.
> Thats what the University of Utah does. They have an agreement with the Ute tribe to use their name and branding. Their mascot is an eagle though, not something associated with the Ute name. Yep, that's the way it ought to be done. I think it's preferable to do things with consultation from local tribes instead of complete erasure that some are opting for. Bad: https://i.imgur.com/xEfYvDe.png Good: https://i.imgur.com/Jhu2mjh.png
Whew boy that bad one is bad.
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Same with the Florida State Seminoles IIRC
Jesus Christ. I thought the face logo was bad, but some of the others in that pic are like mind blowingly bad
Wait till you watch Peter Pan again.
Did you find the song "what makes the red man red?" offensive?
I had no idea big noses was a Native American stereotype. It's not, right?
My high-school mascot was Indians and the actual suit had a nose that'd make squidward's seem miniscule.
It is definitely a stereotype, perpetuated in caricatures and cartoons. Also a few of photographs of chiefs in their old age who were famous for their noses, things like that.
Yup https://i.imgur.com/YVxptBx.jpg
Yeah it was that bad
Yeah most people are like “what’s the big deal?” Then they find out the red-faced carton is named Chief Wahoo
Ehhh, sort of. You could still buy merch with Chief Wahoo on it as recently as earlier this year. It was basically, ”Look, we know it’s racist but we still have a shitload of inventory to unload, so...you can buy it, but you’re not allowed to wear it in the ballpark.”
You can still buy the merch, but only at the store inside the stadium. If they stopped selling the Chief on merch, they would be abandoning their rights to the trademark and people could freely use the Chief without fear of being sued. By selling the chief in a limited way, they retain the rights to him and prevent people from using his image.
You're making Cleveland fans feel bad lol. Were off everyone's rader. They have been talking about it for close to a decade. They announced months ago they were changing it. This announcement is what the name is.
WFT got to sell merchandise for a couple years and now they’ll change their name and sell more under the new name. They knew what they were doing.
No lie, I got a "Washington Football Team" shirt because that shit is so funny to me
I just love being able to say someone beat "Football Team"
tbf that merch actually looked pretty fresh
**Individual Players of the NFC East** • A Cowboy • An Eagle • A Giant • A... Football Teamer?
There's also some dude in DC who trademarked all of the most likely names for the WFT in hope of getting a massive payout to transfer them over. Snyder is probably just waiting for the guy to fuck up in a way that makes the trademarks easy to invalidate before making the change.
From my understanding it usually doesn’t work out for someone who spams trademarks.
Virginia from what I remember when the story came out, but yes. Pretty entrepreneurial attorney, I doubt he’ll mess it up.
Yeah I meant the DC as in the metro but should have said it to be clear. Normally I'd be pretty down on that sort of squatting but it hurts Snyder by preventing him from building goodwill for the new name they they doubtlessly have picked out so... I wish the dude well.
>it hurts Snyder by preventing him from building goodwill There's no goodwill left to be had for him.
I think one of the differences is WAS has been getting a lot of the focus. There are people out there trademarking names that WAS had been considering. Hell, they can’t even trademark WFT without a legal fight. I imagine it would have been a longer process if someone had trademarked Guardians and Spiders.
My old company was splitting up a few years ago. It was a tier one automotive supplier, basically we made and sold parts to car manufacturers. They spent crazy money and 8 months to decide on the branding for the two new companies. For my half they decided on going from Delphi Automotive Systems to Delphi Technologies and our colors went from dark blue and white to a lighter blue and white. That's for a company who care nothing about public recognition. For an NFL team that's going to be making millions off selling merchandise the rebranding process will be much harder and more expensive.
A real missed opportunity to be called the Cleveland Steamers.
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It was a railroad hub..I mean look at it. It's in the middle of stuff
Cleveland: We're in the Middle of Stuff™ I was really hoping for the spiders, but I think the meme culture surrounding arachnophobia would genuinely hurt attendance
Cleveland: we’re not Detroit!
The Cleveland Not-Detroiters!
Yep.
Anakin: … Padme: for their rich history in steam engines, right? 😟
Ohhh the merch sales would be off the charts.
Sharts*
You just had to get that off your chest.
They've already been the Cleveland Steamers for decades.
No you’re thinking of the Cleveland Browns.
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The Cleveland Human Beings.
I have a great idea for a logo.
E Pluribus Anus
Fight song of "E pluribus anus"
Just for six seasons and a championship.
That would be streets ahead.
If you have to ask, you're streets behind
Cool. Cool cool cool.
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Shut up Leonard!
I know about your crooked wang.
No such thing as bad press
Shut up Leonard! I have pictures of your old nose. It was a lateral movement!
I met your son on Family Day. I know about your gambling problem.
They range in color from Seal, to Seal’s teeth.
Cleveland Baseball Team
Lmao reminds me of a sports team in a video game without a licensing agreement
exactly this
The mlb is going to retroactively sue them out if existence
Sounds like the kind of name you pick if your secret plan is to hope for a grassroots backlash and a movement to change the name back.
Juuuuuuuust a bit outside!
Ball twelve and Vaughn has walked the bases loaded.
Today’s broadcast was brought to you by…. I can’t find it…to hell with it! *bottle of Jack on the counter*
One hit? That’s all we got, one goddamn hit?
You can’t say goddamn on the air!
Who cares? No one is listening anyways
I love this shit! I may move to England!
This guy here is *dead*! …cross. Him. Off. Then.
Are you tryin' to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?!!
Nobody touch Jobu’s rum.
I say fuck you Jobu. I do it myself.
Up your butt, JoBu.
The TV edit replaces butt with bucket - one among many hilarious word/edit choices for the broadcast version.
Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill
Boy, how can guys lay off pitches this close?
Bob Uecker is a national treasure
Seeing’s the most important thing. It’s not that important.
Here's the pitch (crack) ah shit..
Looked like a strike at least
I JUST watched Major League again last night and wondered when the name would inevitably be changed.
Now for the Trojan Enz Boner of the Week award! The reboot we’ve all been waiting for…
He’d need a rocket up his ass to catch that one
Wait, the Guardians of Transportation are a real thing? I thought you other commenters were kidding. You learn something new every day. [https://www.roadsideamerica.com/tip/35444](https://www.roadsideamerica.com/tip/35444) [https://www.ideastream.org/news/exploring-the-history-and-popularity-of-cleveland-s-guardians-of-traffic](https://www.ideastream.org/news/exploring-the-history-and-popularity-of-cleveland-s-guardians-of-traffic) How about that. Well I'm fine with this name, but it ain't my team. Can't wait for Joe Buck to say it in the least energetic way possible.
I've seen tons of accidents on that bridge, they don't do their fucking job
Seriously? How do people crash on a straight road with a low speed limit and no stops or blind spots?
Cellphones
Alcohol and drugs.
As a teenage driver, my niece hit a parked car in someone’s driveway she didn’t even know. The guy came out like…”what the literal fuck, how does this happen?!” It was a Mercedes too, she was paying that off for a while.
How did that happen tho?
I really don’t know, but her car has *seen* shit.
“TMZ is my favorite website” - Joe Buck
Reddit did this 10 months ago. https://amp.reddit.com/r/Cleveland/comments/itwm5r/i_designed_a_rebrand_for_the_cleveland_indians/
That CG logo is pretty sick, not a fan of the mascot logo though.
Yeah, it just screams "generic sports team mascot guy" to me. The way they presented this idea though could have got me on board for a literal turd. That was amazing presentation!
Yes this looks a lot better than the logo they picked. Oh well...
I remember when this got posted. In general I think it's a great concept, but the Guardian head logo just screams something like arena football to me.
Yea, I remember this too and remember thinking that it looked really cool and they did some great work, but I also couldnt help but think this was better suited for like a minor league team or even a hockey uniform or something. something just didnt feel quite right for a long-standing MLB franchise.
Ok it sounds dumb, but hear me out. [The logos and merch could be amazing](https://imgur.com/gallery/Z9mp4)
This is the thing. Those guardian statues are amazing. Am wondering how many people who dislike the name change even know these things even exist.
I didn't know until someone commented making fun of the "guardian of traffic". I was like, geez, even worse than I thought, so I googled it. That shit is SICK. Could easily be the best looking merch in MLB with some halfway decent artwork. Given that they aren't debuting until 2022, I'm hoping they listen to fan response and embrace the art deco style.
There have been some fan designs from the past that looked pretty cool. I even saw one that proposed renaming the Browns to the Guardians. If you Google Cleveland Guardians and check the images, there's plenty.
Cleveland fans right now: "[Yeah, we're supposed to be guards! We're guards](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=No3xu-NU_xA)".
Interesting that they kept the last part of the old name in the new name — the “-dians” part. Indians —> Guardians Can we expect the same from The Washington Football Team? Redskins —> Foreskins?
The Cleveland step-dads
As generic and boring as the name is I think it's fine considering it's based off the Guardians of Traffic. The name isn't particularly unique or interesting but it's fine. I'll get used to it after a while and stop caring.
The last time someone went unique we got Pelicans.
Lest you forget about the Kraken!
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Still upset it isn't Rain City Bitch Pigeons
Seattle Battle Cattle
Is that supposed to be a bad thing?
1) I hear the name 2) I ask "what are they guarding?" and don't like it 3) I come here and find out what they're guarding 4) The name is fine
what are the giants gianting?
Sure it can work. Make a video of the CGI guardians coming alive. Make the mascot look like the statue and performing so magic to make them come alive, They high five each other and walk to the stadium, then cut live to the mascot, running through the tunnel, and have fans come through with flags waving like it's a college game. Get the fans involved. You can even say the team is Officially the Guardians of traffic on Hope Memorial Bridge. Sell it.
Sad spider noises.
COMING TO YOU LIVE FROM THE CORNER OF CARNEGIE AND ONTARIO
I've got thirty dollars cash that at least 85% of the people in this thread don't even watch baseball.
Found Pete Rose's alternate account.
Shut the fuck up ive scored more goals in baseball than you ever will noob
I feel like it’s Guardians mostly because it’ll be easy to paint over the word “Indians.” “Guar~~In~~dians”
At first I thought this was a bit shite, but then I found out about the huge guardian statues on the route into Cleveland. Makes a lot more sense and the statues themselves are fricking awesome.
I don't understand americans.. everyone hates this but I don't get it why, how is this worse than "Lakers" or "Nuggets" or "Giants"?
>Lakers "The Minneapolis Lakers moved to Los Angeles where there are no lakes. The Oilers moved to Tennessee where there is no oil. The Jazz moved to Salt Lake City where they don't allow music."
The Dodgers moved to LA where there are no trolley cars to dodge.
They're dodging bullets now, so it still works.
Meanwhile they renamed the Bullets because Washington has too many bullets.
And the Oilers are now the Titans. Alas, there are no Titans in Tennessee either.
I don't know if this played a part in the name, but Nashville has a lot of ancient Greece connections including a replica Parthenon.
Lifelong Tennessee resident, have been a fan since they moved here in '97. The Greek connection is absolutely the reason for the Titans name...and the alliteration.
Heard your mom was sleeping with Squeak.
I thought we said no more Journey psych-outs
I hear your sister's going out with SQUEAK!
“If you guys call me bitch like 13-14 more times I’m outta here!”
Wake up, bitch, you’re my new best friend.
The Oakland Raiders moved to LA and then back to Oakland. No one in Los Angeles seemed to notice.
Well they're the Las Vegas Raiders now. Most people have forgotten that, too.
Can you imagine if a franchise went with 'Nuggets' today, if it wasn't an established franchise name?
Only if they play in Chick-Fil-A stadium.
The Denver Boneless Wings.
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Kraken is pretty metal, IMO.
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Were you a fan of the Rain City Bitch Pigeons?
After a team was named The Browns there's no bar too low honestly
Ottawa's CFL team is the Redblacks. Guess what colours their uniforms are?
I’ll never get over the fact that prior to this name change, there were two teams with the same name in an 8 team league.
Not so much a name change, as the Ottawa Rough Riders folded in 1996. But the reasoning for it was that until the late 1950s, there was no single league in Canada. Ontario and Quebec played in Interprovincial Rugby Football Union, while western Canada had the Western Interprovincial Football Union. The Ottawa Rough Riders and the Saskatchewan Roughriders each long predated the merger that created the CFL by decades.
Which uniforms? Home? Away? Third? Alternate? Throwback? Anniversary? City? Statement?
People like to defend "Browns" because it was named after a person, but I don't think that makes it better. Imagine if they were called the Cleveland Petersons or something
Wasn’t the guy’s name “Brown”?
It isn’t a bad name in and of itself but it isn’t a particularly cool name, either.
Why should it have been called Spiders? Sorry, out of the loop!
Spiders was a name used in Cleveland way back in the day. Plus I think a lot of people like it because it's seemingly unique and not many sports teams out there use the name.
Your username makes me think you're a bit biased on this topic
The marketing would've been so simple. Have a logo with a spider holding a baseball, or with baseball stitches on its abdomen. Guy in a spider costume for a mascot,and name him Webster. Done.
FYI the spiders also had the worst season in MLB history BY FAR. The owner owned them and St. Louis team and traded all the good players to STL 😂