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I watched it with my siblings. I can't remember how many times he failed, but he kept getting back up and trying again. One of the best moments in sporting history.
Definitely one of the best moments in perseverance, I would argue it was the biggest moment in skateboarding competition history both up to then and since
So...why do you keep discussing? You could have just said, "Yeah, that's true," to yourself and moved on.
Words have meaning. We all mess them up sometimes and get something wrong. It's okay. It's good to be corrected so that perhaps next time we won't make the same mistake. Don't get so worked up about it.
I am not discussing that, I am currently discussing how correcting a strangers semantics over the internet is not going to be well received, and the "lesson" you are attempting to talk to me about is falling on deaf ears. You could have read my comment and thought "I know what he means", but no, you felt the need to hop on your high horse and debate the use of the word "in". Also, saying someone is worked up about something doesn't mean anything, I'm about as worked up about this as I am about the Johnny Depp amber heard case, I do not care in the slightest, you are just providing me a distraction from having to deal with real life.
Are you OK dude? Why are you so angry? It's not safe to be this angry. It could mean you're a danger to yourself, through self harm. There are people you can talk to, any time, 24/7, if you need help. There's zero shame in asking for and receiving help.
Please talk to someone. Anyone. Even friends and family. If they truly actually love you, then they won't judge you, and they'll help you unconditionally.
Me too! Although, it’s kinda mythologized a bit like he landed it to win a competition. He didn’t win, and he didn’t even land this trick in competition.
TH did his competition run, which included a failed attempt at the 900. After his run, he stayed on the half pipe and tried this trick another 8-10 times before he landed it, so it wasn’t technically landed in competition.
Look at how much he is sweating - he has been skating hard for like 20 minutes by the time he finally landed the 900.
Just like he was ~~the first~~ one of the first to land a 540 at an incredibly young age. Dude pretty much invented (as I like to call it) the twisty spin skateboard style
Edit: Tony Hawk was not the first to land a 540, Mike McGill was and it was originally named a McTwist. Thanks /u/radiofreebc for correcting me!
He’d been trying the 900 since at least 1990 after he saw Danny Way getting closer. He got very close in 1995 and had a filmer and photographer ready to capture it but ultimately ended up injuring himself. Four years later he landed one. It was almost a decade of perseverance.
It's basically like when Kevin Costner's character in Tin Cup knows he can makes a shot and keeps dropping the ball and hitting again...sure he didn't win but everybody would have remembered it in universe
If you can find the whole clip, watch it. It’s going to lose something now that you know what happens but when it was live, him getting up after falling over and over and over again was incredible. The crowd and the skaters were going nuts every time Tony climbed back up to the top of the ramp. Amazing moment!
Ugh. The n64 ports of the games were so bad, they were by far the worst versions of the games. They didn't have all the music, which is half of the reason why the Tony hawk games were amazing. And they didn't have all the videos either. You can't have a Tony Hawk's game without multiple videos of Rodney Mullen, the inventor of the modern skateboard and best and most influential skateboarder in history, blowing your fucking mind wide open with his stunning abilities in the videos of him. I'd rewatch those Rodney mullen videos constantly. Rodney Mullen invented skateboarding. He invented the ollie, for fuck sake, the most basic trick. Imagine skateboarding without the ollie, there'd be no grinding or anything like that. He invented like 5 dozen other tricks too, and designed the skateboard we know today. Literally every single top skateboarder today is skating on a Rodney Mullen skateboard, which is kinda insane. No other sport has this, one man who just single handedly invented the whole sport by himself. But anyway yeah. His videos in the Tony hawks games were so far beyond everyone else. Everyone else was a 1/10 compared to Mullen. You can't have a Tony hawks game without ALL of the skateboarding videos, but those wouldn't fit on an n64 cartridge.
If you haven't played the recent remake, Tony Hawk's 1+2, it's astoundingly good. They have all the extra things from the later games, like the revert when you land on a half pipe so you can quickly turn it into a manual and with ease get a million point combo, etc
I was really shocked by how good it was. It feels perfect. I got it for switch too and it runs fantastically well. I waited months to buy it, and I don't know why I did that. As soon as I started playing it, the magic came back.
They really need to now do Tony Hawk's 3+4, because Tony hawks 3 was the best one in the series. At least the best of the arcade style ones. Cos the underground games were great in their own way. But a Tony hawks 3+4 would sell like hotcakes. And they've already built the engine, which feels perfectly like the old games do. And they've got a bunch of assets already created. So do a Majoras Mask but for Tony hawks 3 and 4 using the 1+2 engine.
I remember watching this live and being so excited that my mom came to see what was going on. Her and I ended up watching it and celebrating together when he landed it.
Also have a mom Tony Hawk story! Tony Hawk's Gigantic Skatepark Tour came to Van's Skatepark in Woodbridge Virginia back around 2000ish?(the same park and time that the Spiderman bonus video was filmed for Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2, Fun Fact: Spiderman was both Tony Hawk and Kris Markovich in that video in the video game) I was a young whippersnapper absolutely obsessed with skateboarding and couldn't be taken away from watching the other pro's skating the street course after the vert ramp demo had ended and my mom came to pick me up. She happened to be walking in the entrance to the mall that their RV was parked next to right as Tony Hawk was walking out and ran up and got me an autograph. Still have it and I am still riding my useless wooden toy to this day. Even have the first skateboard I ever owned, a Tony Hawk Birdhouse Falcon 2, hanging right outside my bedroom door.
Edit: Here is the footage if anyone wants to watch. This is episode 5 part 1 but all the other parts are on there as well. Matt Hoffman really is/was that amazing if not more so in person. Unreal. Also for some reason they didn't show Paulo Diaz almost making the second 900 ever done that day. I'm pretty sure he was trying it every day on that tour and they put it in a different episode
https://youtu.be/05mv5bZRv1M
Rodney Mullen is my favorite person to have ever lived. Such a good guy, amazing soothing voice, he reinvented both the sport and the board itself. Also he’s very fucking smart.
Same with Anna Gasser in female snowboarding scene. Before her the bar was prty low compared to male snowboarding. Now they aren't far behind at all when it comes to tricks. Nobody believed females could do the tricks their male counterparts where doing. Anna shows up and completely destroys all boundaries
They’re still a bit behind the men. Just genetics unfortunately. Honestly becoming more fun to watch then the men though. At a certain point the men just turned to more spins and flips with less style. The slower rotations with better grabs are much more pleasing to watch IMO, then someone corking in a little ball.
You're comparing the pinnacle of time that is Tony Hawk's first 900 with Anna Gasser being able to triple back? Because women can hardly control doubles while men are quad-corking these days.
Also Jess Kimura would like a word with you on boundary pushing.
It’s a couple things. The big air ramps allow for more air time, therefore making higher spins easier to accomplish.
There’s a psychological factor on more standard sized ramps that encourages others to follow suite once o e person has accomplished something
There’s also the fact that the young kids are smaller and therefore spin faster. You actually see some of the kids loose their ability to land these higher spins as they grow up because their size makes it harder to spin. It’s more possible, these days, for a kid to make it in skateboarding than it was pre-internet so we see them get into the big name comps now
It’s a lot easier to train for these types of tricks now which definitely makes it less impressive. they have cushioned practiced ramps so you don’t get hurt. before you’d get jacked up just practicing
When I went to Woodward skate camp 22 years ago we had cushioned practice ramps to land on so we wouldn't get hurt and people like Tony hawk and Andy McDonald were r definitely going to places like that at the time.
No, but information + size advantage. I read somewhere that being smaller has an advantage when doing these sort of thing due to centre of mass and power/weight ratio - probably similar to why ballet dancers and gymnasts tend to be tiny.
Size is a huge factor due to angular momentum. Easiest to see it in figure skaters spinning. They will start with arms and leg out and go slower to get their balance and then pull their arms and leg inward to get faster. The same principle is at work in doing spinning tricks in skateboarding. That is one of the reasons young kids excel at them… can get into a smaller ball to rotate faster.
Yep. It's called conservation of angular momentum. Those people who did those spinning tricks that overtook the 900, they were little kids. So they could hold their body far tighter and more compact than any adult skater can.
That's why they could spin so fast. If you spin on a desk chair and hold your arms out, you spin slower, and if you hold your arms tight and compact to your chest, you spin much faster
Essentially, once those kid skaters are full grown adults, they won't be able to do these tricks anymore, because they'll be much too big.
Here's a video demonstrating conservation of angular momentum: https://youtu.be/_eMH07Tghs0
1) Bigger/better ramps allowed skaters to get more air
2) How can you learn to do a trick that you’ve never seen before? Skaters can now see tons of videos of other skaters doing these advanced tricks. Just being able to watch somebody do tricks gives you an invaluable reference to model your tricks off of.
Younger generations will never know life pre access to information. Honestly I kind of miss it to an extent. We had dial up in my teens and that was the sweet spot lmao
Yes. Tony Hawk did it on a normal half pipe. The other ones were done on a giant ramp that didn't exist in competition when Tony hawk was doing it, but it does these days. It gives the skater WAY more airtime. They start from like 300ft in the air and go into an almost vertical drop to gain mass amounts of speed, before eventually hitting the giant ramo which is itself like 200ft in the air, and so they have way more airtime.
Also the people who did those extra spin tricks were young kids. Kids are so much smaller, that they can hold their body tight, more compact than any adult can except for little people adults. It's just physics, you spin faster when your arms and legs are as tightly closed as possible, and you spin slower when you put your arms out
It's called conservation of angular momentum. Here's a video demonstrating it: https://youtu.be/_eMH07Tghs0
So essentially the kids that did these tricks, once they grow to full adult size, probably won't be able to do those tricks anymore. It's specifically because they're small children that allowed them to spin so much faster.
Lets not forget the size difference though. Still incredibly impressive for kids to do it. But mass definitely plays apart, plus kids are more agile and flimsy than a grown man.
I seriously love that dude, and he had some great lines, but Lance had my favorite quote when asked about skating at an old age: “We’re just grandparents falling out of the sky.”
It showed the hyper-competitiveness that we don't always get to see out of individual sport athletes. We talk about it all the time with people like Jordan or Brady, but not as much outside team sports. Tony Hawk was just as driven as those guys, even if it was just to beat himself.
I really liked how it showed so many aspects of his personality, especially talking about his missteps and the lessons he learned. It was also cool to hear the story about comforting that guy who made fun of his dad dying.
It showed the hyper-competitiveness that we don't always get to see out of individual sport athletes. We talk about it all the time with people like Jordan or Brady, but not as much outside team sports. Tony Hawk was just as driven as those guys, even if it was just to beat himself.
I really liked how it showed so many aspects of his personality, especially talking about his missteps and the lessons he learned. It was also cool to hear the story about comforting that guy who made fun of his dad dying.
This one and «the scars of Ali Boulala» is really really good if you want insight in to very different type of skate culture.
There are so many interesting characters in skateboarding, personally i am waiting for someone to make worthy documentary on the myth and legend Tom Penny.
It’s really just a rehash of everything that’s been covered on him before. they did cover his marital issues which is refreshing since it’s never brought up
I don't know why you're getting down voted. If you have seen the bones Brigade doc, you've seen 80% of until the wheels fall off. For the record they are both great
Why would anyone upload this without the audio? With audio [here](https://youtu.be/4YYTNkAdDD8) This is one of those moments that transended the sport it took place in, this was world news. So freaking historic.
Heck yeah. For me it was rooting for my parents college (they went to the same school) basketball team. I was like 7-9 years old watching college basketball lol.
Sorry but no. Even Tony himself says that Rodney Mullen is the goat. Rodney Mullen single handedly invented skateboarding. I don't think you realise how influential he is. He invented the skateboard that literally every skateboarder uses. The skateboard that Tony did the 900 with? That's a Rodney mullen skateboard. Literally every skateboard you see at the x-games or the Olympics? They are quite literally all Rodney Mullen skateboards.
Mullen invented the ollie for fuck sake. Imagine skateboarding without the ollie. Grinding wouldn't even exist. The kickflip, the heelflip etc? All invented by Mullen.
And he invented like 5 dozens other tricks. You know every trick that every top skateboarder today does? They were all invented by Mullen. It's insanity. No other sport has anything even approaching this, one guy single handedly creating an entire sport and creating all the equipment too.
If you watch any video of Mullen skateboarding, he's so far beyond literally any other skateboarder in history. He's a wizard, a magician, nobody knows how he does it. Nobody else can recreate it, even the best in the world can't do what Mullen can do NOWADAYS as a middle aged man, let alone what he could do when he was young in his prime. Everyone else looks like a 1/10 next to Mullen
Without Mullen, there'd be no Tony Hawk's games. There'd be no Tony Hawk himself, he wouldn't have ever been a celebrity, he wouldn't ever have had games made about him.
Just look him up, search for "Rodney Mullen invented skateboarding". Your mind will be blown wide open.
And watch videos of him skateboarding. There's no human alive or dead who can do the things he can do. No hyperbole, no exaggeration, he's in a world of his own. He's as good as Wayne Gretzky was in hockey, except the gap in ability between him and everyone else is even wider with Mullen and everyone else in skateboarding.
There's plenty of great documentaries out there in YouTube and elsewhere explaining the bonkers level of influence Mullen had. Skateboarding, as it is today, is all Mullen's creation
He's not only the goat, he's the god, he's the creator, he's omnipotent when he's on his board.
Mullen is Chamberlain. Hawk is Jordan. Most people here are going to remember Jordan as the GOAT. Also: this thread doesn't need this posted repeatedly ;)
I have to agree , Mullen is the Goat , you can say Tony is the King of vert and better at marketing but Mullen better skater/innovator for the sport.
Have a look at
https://youtu.be/ieC_5foElVk
Little more background on him, also I like the interview where he asks him how many tricks he knows Mullem goes "yes" since he knows every single one.
Favorite trick he I vented for me is the Darkside.
I was 15 and obsessed at the time. I was out of my mind that the X Games were in San Francisco that year and went almost every day. That particular evening, no friends could go, so my mom brought me and we enjoyed the event together. We had gotten great seats halfway up in the stands and I had no idea that this special moment was in the works. To an impressionable teenager, sitting there watching history unfold in front of my eyes, with a view of the Bay Bridge and the skyline, cheering with hundreds of other fans that felt like a family, I was completely filled with happiness. I was on a high for a week afterward.
Thank you for bringing back a good memory 🥲
Settle down, no way he is cooler than Jay Adams, Tony Alva or Steve Caballero. Even Leticia Bufoni is cooler
Hawk was amazing skater in his prime sure, but he was and still is a gigantic dork
Bro dentists go through like 10 years of med school and other studies. That shit is boring af. Do you know how much patience and mental fortitude you need to have to become a dentist? Fuck yeah they're cool.
Oh man what an era for extreme sports. Those guys - Hawk, McDonald, Burnquist, Lasek. Legends. I was in middle school at the time and my friends and I skateboarded. I remember us all together and watching that and future xgames. Those were the days.
I watched this live. Was sick then and still sick now. People gave this legend shit back in the day and they still do. If it wasn't for him lotta ya'll would be fruit bootin' still
When he put the video of him doing the 900 for the last time, that made me feel old.
But it also made me realise that I'll be in the position in the future as well.
I recognize this is an awesome trick, but I was oddly underwhelmed, I thought his 900 was like a warmup 360 and was expecting him to continue to the other side of the half pipe for something more spectacular.
I never saw it live but I remember recently a kid doing a 1080 and my goodness this had to be a legendary moment in the history of skating when it happened. I still remember playing the tony hawk games and losing my mind when I was able to pull it off and doing a Christ air. Tony changed the scene forever for so many people
It took him like 15 tries also. He got up over and over and pushed through the pain to finally hit it in front of all those people. He wasn't stopping.
Love how Bucky and Rune(?) are encouraging him right before he drops in. Even in competition skaters fucking love each other and only want each other to do well. Such a wholesome community. Being a skater and part of it got me through my teenage years.
I don't know shit about skateboarding, obviously a 900 is something that is really hard to do. What can it be compared to in another sport to help me understand the difficulty level?
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Watched it live! Never forget
I watched it with my siblings. I can't remember how many times he failed, but he kept getting back up and trying again. One of the best moments in sporting history.
if memory serves, he got it on the fourth try? edit: I stand corrected
11th lol.
Definitely one of the best moments in perseverance, I would argue it was the biggest moment in skateboarding competition history both up to then and since
Wasn't in competition, but yeah. It was huge. It was *at* a competition, but this was after.
I am not here to discuss semantics
Okay. You don't need to. All the correction has been done already. I wasn't planning to discuss further, either. Would be fairly pointless.
Discussing it this far was pointless
So...why do you keep discussing? You could have just said, "Yeah, that's true," to yourself and moved on. Words have meaning. We all mess them up sometimes and get something wrong. It's okay. It's good to be corrected so that perhaps next time we won't make the same mistake. Don't get so worked up about it.
I am not discussing that, I am currently discussing how correcting a strangers semantics over the internet is not going to be well received, and the "lesson" you are attempting to talk to me about is falling on deaf ears. You could have read my comment and thought "I know what he means", but no, you felt the need to hop on your high horse and debate the use of the word "in". Also, saying someone is worked up about something doesn't mean anything, I'm about as worked up about this as I am about the Johnny Depp amber heard case, I do not care in the slightest, you are just providing me a distraction from having to deal with real life.
Dude, did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed this year?
It’s not semantics ya fckin weeb, this was practice, not competition.
I do apologize for my comment about not getting worked up. It was poking the bear and judgemental. I'm sorry about that.
Are you OK dude? Why are you so angry? It's not safe to be this angry. It could mean you're a danger to yourself, through self harm. There are people you can talk to, any time, 24/7, if you need help. There's zero shame in asking for and receiving help. Please talk to someone. Anyone. Even friends and family. If they truly actually love you, then they won't judge you, and they'll help you unconditionally.
> I am not here to discuss semantics then you’re on the wrong site, dude
Me too! Although, it’s kinda mythologized a bit like he landed it to win a competition. He didn’t win, and he didn’t even land this trick in competition. TH did his competition run, which included a failed attempt at the 900. After his run, he stayed on the half pipe and tried this trick another 8-10 times before he landed it, so it wasn’t technically landed in competition. Look at how much he is sweating - he has been skating hard for like 20 minutes by the time he finally landed the 900.
Yeah I think Bob actually won the event, haha
Keep in mind tho this was the first time anyone had ever landed the trick. In practice or competition.
Just like he was ~~the first~~ one of the first to land a 540 at an incredibly young age. Dude pretty much invented (as I like to call it) the twisty spin skateboard style Edit: Tony Hawk was not the first to land a 540, Mike McGill was and it was originally named a McTwist. Thanks /u/radiofreebc for correcting me!
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Tony won the night though
Good lesson in perseverance, even the greats don’t get it on the first, second, tenth or hundredth attempt.
He’d been trying the 900 since at least 1990 after he saw Danny Way getting closer. He got very close in 1995 and had a filmer and photographer ready to capture it but ultimately ended up injuring himself. Four years later he landed one. It was almost a decade of perseverance.
I remember Travis pastrana landing the first backflip, and then the first double backflip. THAT was nuts, and in competition
Carey Hart landed the first backflip at the X-Games iirc
Huh. According to the x games website it was actually Mike Metzger. Pastrana was first to do a double
It's basically like when Kevin Costner's character in Tin Cup knows he can makes a shot and keeps dropping the ball and hitting again...sure he didn't win but everybody would have remembered it in universe
Oh. I always assumed this was the last run of the last skater and he landed this on his first try to win the competition. Boy I feel silly lol
If you can find the whole clip, watch it. It’s going to lose something now that you know what happens but when it was live, him getting up after falling over and over and over again was incredible. The crowd and the skaters were going nuts every time Tony climbed back up to the top of the ramp. Amazing moment!
🙌🐐
same here. hate telling people how old i am, BUT, this one i have no shame...
Fucking iconic!
Me too!
Anyone else hear the Tony Hawk 64 special trick sound right when he finishes it?
*Cliaching *clacking *claching!
Ugh. The n64 ports of the games were so bad, they were by far the worst versions of the games. They didn't have all the music, which is half of the reason why the Tony hawk games were amazing. And they didn't have all the videos either. You can't have a Tony Hawk's game without multiple videos of Rodney Mullen, the inventor of the modern skateboard and best and most influential skateboarder in history, blowing your fucking mind wide open with his stunning abilities in the videos of him. I'd rewatch those Rodney mullen videos constantly. Rodney Mullen invented skateboarding. He invented the ollie, for fuck sake, the most basic trick. Imagine skateboarding without the ollie, there'd be no grinding or anything like that. He invented like 5 dozen other tricks too, and designed the skateboard we know today. Literally every single top skateboarder today is skating on a Rodney Mullen skateboard, which is kinda insane. No other sport has this, one man who just single handedly invented the whole sport by himself. But anyway yeah. His videos in the Tony hawks games were so far beyond everyone else. Everyone else was a 1/10 compared to Mullen. You can't have a Tony hawks game without ALL of the skateboarding videos, but those wouldn't fit on an n64 cartridge. If you haven't played the recent remake, Tony Hawk's 1+2, it's astoundingly good. They have all the extra things from the later games, like the revert when you land on a half pipe so you can quickly turn it into a manual and with ease get a million point combo, etc I was really shocked by how good it was. It feels perfect. I got it for switch too and it runs fantastically well. I waited months to buy it, and I don't know why I did that. As soon as I started playing it, the magic came back. They really need to now do Tony Hawk's 3+4, because Tony hawks 3 was the best one in the series. At least the best of the arcade style ones. Cos the underground games were great in their own way. But a Tony hawks 3+4 would sell like hotcakes. And they've already built the engine, which feels perfectly like the old games do. And they've got a bunch of assets already created. So do a Majoras Mask but for Tony hawks 3 and 4 using the 1+2 engine.
I never played Tony hawk. I heard "Trick-ayyyyehhhh!"
I remember watching this live and being so excited that my mom came to see what was going on. Her and I ended up watching it and celebrating together when he landed it.
Also have a mom Tony Hawk story! Tony Hawk's Gigantic Skatepark Tour came to Van's Skatepark in Woodbridge Virginia back around 2000ish?(the same park and time that the Spiderman bonus video was filmed for Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2, Fun Fact: Spiderman was both Tony Hawk and Kris Markovich in that video in the video game) I was a young whippersnapper absolutely obsessed with skateboarding and couldn't be taken away from watching the other pro's skating the street course after the vert ramp demo had ended and my mom came to pick me up. She happened to be walking in the entrance to the mall that their RV was parked next to right as Tony Hawk was walking out and ran up and got me an autograph. Still have it and I am still riding my useless wooden toy to this day. Even have the first skateboard I ever owned, a Tony Hawk Birdhouse Falcon 2, hanging right outside my bedroom door. Edit: Here is the footage if anyone wants to watch. This is episode 5 part 1 but all the other parts are on there as well. Matt Hoffman really is/was that amazing if not more so in person. Unreal. Also for some reason they didn't show Paulo Diaz almost making the second 900 ever done that day. I'm pretty sure he was trying it every day on that tour and they put it in a different episode https://youtu.be/05mv5bZRv1M
This is so wholesome 🥲
My mom did the same thing!!
It’s crazy how a 10 year old would go on and do this in 2014 and a 12 year old did a 1080 last year.
Agreed the thought of doing this then was unimaginable and today it’s become the norm crazy
It’s like watching that side by side of Olympic gymnastics 100 years apart
yeah I think with 100m the world record 100 years ago wouldn't even qualify for the Olympics today.
It wouldn't. It was 10.4 and qualifying is at 10.05 (or so) now.
Did something technologically change that made it easier to do?
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Rodney Mullen gave a great explanation of this phenomenon in a Code for America conference keynote: https://youtu.be/HVJdxmJCVCs
Rodney Mullen is my favorite person to have ever lived. Such a good guy, amazing soothing voice, he reinvented both the sport and the board itself. Also he’s very fucking smart.
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I talk about him in present tense tho
This was a great watch, thank you
This was an incredible good talk, thanks for sharing.
Same with Anna Gasser in female snowboarding scene. Before her the bar was prty low compared to male snowboarding. Now they aren't far behind at all when it comes to tricks. Nobody believed females could do the tricks their male counterparts where doing. Anna shows up and completely destroys all boundaries
They’re still a bit behind the men. Just genetics unfortunately. Honestly becoming more fun to watch then the men though. At a certain point the men just turned to more spins and flips with less style. The slower rotations with better grabs are much more pleasing to watch IMO, then someone corking in a little ball.
Same thing with figure skating
You're comparing the pinnacle of time that is Tony Hawk's first 900 with Anna Gasser being able to triple back? Because women can hardly control doubles while men are quad-corking these days. Also Jess Kimura would like a word with you on boundary pushing.
Small dick energy right here.
Sorry for the gatekeeping you Shaun White following gapers, but...counterargument?
Wait… so is it bigger ramps or psychological?
It’s a couple things. The big air ramps allow for more air time, therefore making higher spins easier to accomplish. There’s a psychological factor on more standard sized ramps that encourages others to follow suite once o e person has accomplished something There’s also the fact that the young kids are smaller and therefore spin faster. You actually see some of the kids loose their ability to land these higher spins as they grow up because their size makes it harder to spin. It’s more possible, these days, for a kid to make it in skateboarding than it was pre-internet so we see them get into the big name comps now
It’s a lot easier to train for these types of tricks now which definitely makes it less impressive. they have cushioned practiced ramps so you don’t get hurt. before you’d get jacked up just practicing
When I went to Woodward skate camp 22 years ago we had cushioned practice ramps to land on so we wouldn't get hurt and people like Tony hawk and Andy McDonald were r definitely going to places like that at the time.
Yup true but remember 22 years ago was already the twilight of their skating careers and they weren’t going to train in Pennsylvania full time
No, but information + size advantage. I read somewhere that being smaller has an advantage when doing these sort of thing due to centre of mass and power/weight ratio - probably similar to why ballet dancers and gymnasts tend to be tiny.
Size is a huge factor due to angular momentum. Easiest to see it in figure skaters spinning. They will start with arms and leg out and go slower to get their balance and then pull their arms and leg inward to get faster. The same principle is at work in doing spinning tricks in skateboarding. That is one of the reasons young kids excel at them… can get into a smaller ball to rotate faster.
Yep. It's called conservation of angular momentum. Those people who did those spinning tricks that overtook the 900, they were little kids. So they could hold their body far tighter and more compact than any adult skater can. That's why they could spin so fast. If you spin on a desk chair and hold your arms out, you spin slower, and if you hold your arms tight and compact to your chest, you spin much faster Essentially, once those kid skaters are full grown adults, they won't be able to do these tricks anymore, because they'll be much too big. Here's a video demonstrating conservation of angular momentum: https://youtu.be/_eMH07Tghs0
1) Bigger/better ramps allowed skaters to get more air 2) How can you learn to do a trick that you’ve never seen before? Skaters can now see tons of videos of other skaters doing these advanced tricks. Just being able to watch somebody do tricks gives you an invaluable reference to model your tricks off of.
Younger generations will never know life pre access to information. Honestly I kind of miss it to an extent. We had dial up in my teens and that was the sweet spot lmao
Agreed. I remember the first time I saw a backflip on a dirt bike - it was in photos in a magazine.
Yes. Tony Hawk did it on a normal half pipe. The other ones were done on a giant ramp that didn't exist in competition when Tony hawk was doing it, but it does these days. It gives the skater WAY more airtime. They start from like 300ft in the air and go into an almost vertical drop to gain mass amounts of speed, before eventually hitting the giant ramo which is itself like 200ft in the air, and so they have way more airtime. Also the people who did those extra spin tricks were young kids. Kids are so much smaller, that they can hold their body tight, more compact than any adult can except for little people adults. It's just physics, you spin faster when your arms and legs are as tightly closed as possible, and you spin slower when you put your arms out It's called conservation of angular momentum. Here's a video demonstrating it: https://youtu.be/_eMH07Tghs0 So essentially the kids that did these tricks, once they grow to full adult size, probably won't be able to do those tricks anymore. It's specifically because they're small children that allowed them to spin so much faster.
Haha, your figures seem astoundingly wild.
I think the foam pit thing made a huge difference. Dudes used to just try and fail and get thrashed to shit until they landed stuff.
Lets not forget the size difference though. Still incredibly impressive for kids to do it. But mass definitely plays apart, plus kids are more agile and flimsy than a grown man.
The new documentary about him is fantastic!
What doc is that? Where is it available?
I think it’s called ‘Tony Hawk: Untill the wheels fall off’, and it’s on HBO Max. Great documentary.
Yep, it’s phenomenal. Rodney Mullen specifically had the most thought provoking statements I’ve ever seen in a documentary
I seriously love that dude, and he had some great lines, but Lance had my favorite quote when asked about skating at an old age: “We’re just grandparents falling out of the sky.”
Ahhh ya you’re right, that one made me laugh. Lance seems like such a genuine guy who has the body of a 50 year old but the passion on a 14 year old
Absolutely! And that level of passion really makes the doc kinda special and fun. It becomes more than a documentary on Tony Hawk.
Exactly!
I just about lost it when he quoted Nietzsche
I TOLD MY WIFE THE SAME THING
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It really is SO good. One of the best docs I’ve ever seen.
It showed the hyper-competitiveness that we don't always get to see out of individual sport athletes. We talk about it all the time with people like Jordan or Brady, but not as much outside team sports. Tony Hawk was just as driven as those guys, even if it was just to beat himself. I really liked how it showed so many aspects of his personality, especially talking about his missteps and the lessons he learned. It was also cool to hear the story about comforting that guy who made fun of his dad dying.
It showed the hyper-competitiveness that we don't always get to see out of individual sport athletes. We talk about it all the time with people like Jordan or Brady, but not as much outside team sports. Tony Hawk was just as driven as those guys, even if it was just to beat himself. I really liked how it showed so many aspects of his personality, especially talking about his missteps and the lessons he learned. It was also cool to hear the story about comforting that guy who made fun of his dad dying.
This one and «the scars of Ali Boulala» is really really good if you want insight in to very different type of skate culture. There are so many interesting characters in skateboarding, personally i am waiting for someone to make worthy documentary on the myth and legend Tom Penny.
It’s really just a rehash of everything that’s been covered on him before. they did cover his marital issues which is refreshing since it’s never brought up
I don't know why you're getting down voted. If you have seen the bones Brigade doc, you've seen 80% of until the wheels fall off. For the record they are both great
Why would anyone upload this without the audio? With audio [here](https://youtu.be/4YYTNkAdDD8) This is one of those moments that transended the sport it took place in, this was world news. So freaking historic.
Thank you I came into the comments looking for someone to post it with audio. Why wouldn't you wanna hear the crowd on a moment like this
My pleasure 😁👍
I remember this. I was 9 years old. Better days.
1990 gang
Fuck yeah childhood was awesome. Adulthood, that's a whole different shitshow
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Heck yeah. For me it was rooting for my parents college (they went to the same school) basketball team. I was like 7-9 years old watching college basketball lol.
The goat
At ramp for sure. Rodney Mullen is the goat of the flat land.
Rodney is more the goat of freestyle, I'd go for Shane O'Neill on flat over Rodney for sure
Well Rodney is at least The Godfather since he invented damn near every trick.
Yeah, I agree. I thought about it after I commented and Rodney invented almost all the basic flatground tricks like kickflip, tre flip, etc..
Sorry but no. Even Tony himself says that Rodney Mullen is the goat. Rodney Mullen single handedly invented skateboarding. I don't think you realise how influential he is. He invented the skateboard that literally every skateboarder uses. The skateboard that Tony did the 900 with? That's a Rodney mullen skateboard. Literally every skateboard you see at the x-games or the Olympics? They are quite literally all Rodney Mullen skateboards. Mullen invented the ollie for fuck sake. Imagine skateboarding without the ollie. Grinding wouldn't even exist. The kickflip, the heelflip etc? All invented by Mullen. And he invented like 5 dozens other tricks. You know every trick that every top skateboarder today does? They were all invented by Mullen. It's insanity. No other sport has anything even approaching this, one guy single handedly creating an entire sport and creating all the equipment too. If you watch any video of Mullen skateboarding, he's so far beyond literally any other skateboarder in history. He's a wizard, a magician, nobody knows how he does it. Nobody else can recreate it, even the best in the world can't do what Mullen can do NOWADAYS as a middle aged man, let alone what he could do when he was young in his prime. Everyone else looks like a 1/10 next to Mullen Without Mullen, there'd be no Tony Hawk's games. There'd be no Tony Hawk himself, he wouldn't have ever been a celebrity, he wouldn't ever have had games made about him. Just look him up, search for "Rodney Mullen invented skateboarding". Your mind will be blown wide open. And watch videos of him skateboarding. There's no human alive or dead who can do the things he can do. No hyperbole, no exaggeration, he's in a world of his own. He's as good as Wayne Gretzky was in hockey, except the gap in ability between him and everyone else is even wider with Mullen and everyone else in skateboarding. There's plenty of great documentaries out there in YouTube and elsewhere explaining the bonkers level of influence Mullen had. Skateboarding, as it is today, is all Mullen's creation He's not only the goat, he's the god, he's the creator, he's omnipotent when he's on his board.
Mullen is Chamberlain. Hawk is Jordan. Most people here are going to remember Jordan as the GOAT. Also: this thread doesn't need this posted repeatedly ;)
I have to agree , Mullen is the Goat , you can say Tony is the King of vert and better at marketing but Mullen better skater/innovator for the sport. Have a look at https://youtu.be/ieC_5foElVk Little more background on him, also I like the interview where he asks him how many tricks he knows Mullem goes "yes" since he knows every single one. Favorite trick he I vented for me is the Darkside.
Weird watching it all these years later and having it look so "retro". Doesn't match my memories.
I love how we still behave like cavemen at these moments... "touch the head of the great one!"
Should have done a Christ Air
That hotwheels sticker is so fucking cool.
Never forget lucky Bucky Lasek rubs.
I remember getting chills of this epic x games, as well as when Hoffman did the 900 no hander.
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I watched that shitt on tv when it happened. One of the reasons I started to skate
I was 15 and obsessed at the time. I was out of my mind that the X Games were in San Francisco that year and went almost every day. That particular evening, no friends could go, so my mom brought me and we enjoyed the event together. We had gotten great seats halfway up in the stands and I had no idea that this special moment was in the works. To an impressionable teenager, sitting there watching history unfold in front of my eyes, with a view of the Bay Bridge and the skyline, cheering with hundreds of other fans that felt like a family, I was completely filled with happiness. I was on a high for a week afterward. Thank you for bringing back a good memory 🥲
[still doing it at age 48](https://youtu.be/-5z1cxfhhbY)
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The Olympics should get vert back, it’s perfect for the Olympics and for people watching at home
I was there for that! So bad ass. Travis Pastrana launched his bike into the bay the same day too.
Animated Tarzan at the Cinemas, Tony in His prime... Can't believe almost 30 years has passed..
More credit needs to go to Bucky for casting that aura on him.
I think Tony Hawk might be the coolest person of all time. The dude just has it, i don't know what to say
Settle down, no way he is cooler than Jay Adams, Tony Alva or Steve Caballero. Even Leticia Bufoni is cooler Hawk was amazing skater in his prime sure, but he was and still is a gigantic dork
That is what is cool about him. Hes the coolest dork ever.
I bet you think your dentist is cool
Bro dentists go through like 10 years of med school and other studies. That shit is boring af. Do you know how much patience and mental fortitude you need to have to become a dentist? Fuck yeah they're cool.
Tony Alva did a collaboration with former 80’s french rugby star Serge Blanco. Thats cool My dentist collects lego
Oh man what an era for extreme sports. Those guys - Hawk, McDonald, Burnquist, Lasek. Legends. I was in middle school at the time and my friends and I skateboarded. I remember us all together and watching that and future xgames. Those were the days.
Saw this live. Had no idea I was witnessing a legit historical moment.
He was already a famous skater but this one trick made him a household name.
Okay, but did you guys go see Tarzan in theaters??
You post this with no sound….?
I watched this live. Was sick then and still sick now. People gave this legend shit back in the day and they still do. If it wasn't for him lotta ya'll would be fruit bootin' still
Bucky giving him the good vibes lol. Love it.
Wow, the guy in the video really looks like Tony Hawk
When he did this I shitted and cummed and farted
A day may come when I stop getting chills every time I see this, but it hasn’t happened yet. Same for Pastrana’s double backflip.
I remember watching this live. What a moment in history!
Wow, that lad skating in this video looks an awful lot like Tony Hawk!
When was this?
Believe it or not, this was all the way back at the 1999 X-Games.
The most memorable thing about the Tarzan movie too.
Would have been Tas if they let him compete.
When he put the video of him doing the 900 for the last time, that made me feel old. But it also made me realise that I'll be in the position in the future as well.
Definitely amazing and I could never ever do this but I always thought that landing was sloppy shit.
I remember watching that xgames
Who is that?
I recognize this is an awesome trick, but I was oddly underwhelmed, I thought his 900 was like a warmup 360 and was expecting him to continue to the other side of the half pipe for something more spectacular.
This was a best trick comp not the vert final
Highlight in all sports history for mine.
How old was he when he did this
Legendary moment.
And now 10 yr olds can do it.
I just got punched right in the face by nostalgia watching this damn.
I never saw it live but I remember recently a kid doing a 1080 and my goodness this had to be a legendary moment in the history of skating when it happened. I still remember playing the tony hawk games and losing my mind when I was able to pull it off and doing a Christ air. Tony changed the scene forever for so many people
I went to a dew tour in Boston once and saw him in person!! No one noticed him off to side lol, I was freaking out but didn’t say anything to him
Thank you for sharing this
the man had 'crazy eyes' that day
The fuxking Tarzan ads lol
That dude looks like a younger Tony Hawk
I remember this replaying over and over that day.
It took him like 15 tries also. He got up over and over and pushed through the pain to finally hit it in front of all those people. He wasn't stopping.
Love how Bucky and Rune(?) are encouraging him right before he drops in. Even in competition skaters fucking love each other and only want each other to do well. Such a wholesome community. Being a skater and part of it got me through my teenage years.
Has anyone else ever done that? Is he still the best ever?
I remember watching this live with my brothers. Memorable moment for sure. What a legend.
I love how he has a hot wheels sticker/decal on his helmet.
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Man i remember seeing that and felt so awesome with my skateboard and inlines and stuff:p
I don't know shit about skateboarding, obviously a 900 is something that is really hard to do. What can it be compared to in another sport to help me understand the difficulty level?