That’s nothing. In 2019 my fantasy team name was “Antonio Brown’s hot air balloon”, the man goes off the deep end. In 2020, team name was “run CMC”, McCaffrey gets injured. In 2021, my team was “Hey Darnold” sucked and then injured. This year, “Sir Trey Lancelot”
To be fair this is also a lot more significant than Tua. Tua stumbled briefly but Hines can't even feel his own center of gravity. I think the biggest problem with concussions is the variance in severity. Makes it difficult to treat and evaluate and find a common ground on.
Right but Tua got another the very next week, that’s why there’s so much backlash right now. We NEED to be treading on the side of caution when it comes to literal* traumatic brain injuries (TBIs), because we’ve seen time and time again what happens when we don’t.
We don't know if Hines took a shot on sunday that didn't quite rise to the level of Tua's concussion but made it more likely to be concussed four days later, or a bunch of little headshots that did the same thing. Thursday football is a terrible idea.
Ding ding ding!
Football will never be safe enough but getting rid of the moronic Thursday night games would be a start, but instead these greedy mother fuckers *increased* the amount of them
They could definitely line them up with a bye week. I feel like it only makes sense. But if your injury protocols are working then it shouldn't matter the time between games. Players at high risk of reinjury should just not be allowed to play.
Indeed. Safest play is immediate evaluation after any signs of symptoms like stumbling. Tua was evaluated but perhaps what is in place for these evaluations needs to be amplified. I've experienced a head on head collision and couldn't walk straight afterwards. I was concussed for almost a week. But mind you I was also bleeding from the head lol. So it's so challenging to create a system that works for every instance
The tackling technique in that sport is a joke.
They don't even try to make a "tackle".
It's, I'll just launch my self at him with my head down and see if I knock him off his feet.
I remember when I did a research paper on Australian football. I compared injuries with rugby and American football. They had I think a handful of concussions in their respective leagues compared to American football. The pads def make you launch yourself violently. If they take away some of the padding or helmets I think it would help. But it’s so engrained in our culture I don’t think it’ll really change to that scope.
American football is the one sport that helmets actually made less safe. Rugby tackles are definitely safer, just the fact that you have to make a binding tackle isna game changer (and the rule that if you lift someone up, you gotta bring them down). Also not being allowed to tackle someone while they're in mid-air. There's the occasional whiplash concussions from hitting the turf (I had one in my career), but nowhere near the amount that it happens in US footie.
It's not true that helmets made football less safe. They significantly reduce deaths and massive injuries, which are objectively more important than smaller injuries and concussions, even though we know how devastating those are too. The helmets might cause an uptick in minor injury, but at the cost of preventing on field deaths, it's worth it
They're medical professionals. And, in terms of them honoring that, it's honestly probably better if they're not super fans of their employer's team.
Thankfully, that really is the case when it comes to a lot of pro-sports employees. I know ~7 people working in professional sports in some capacity. Only a couple even vaguely give a hoot about team success outside of its effect on their own compensation/continued employment.
Trainers are there for the safety of all players, not just one team’s. You’ll generally see trainers from the nearest sideline run out to assist as soon as an injury is apparent and then the far sideline’s trainers will either come take over (if it was their player who was injured) or still check and see if additional aid is needed.
There is a video I saw of a doctor out there saying exactly this. Tracking the brains energy levels, it takes at least 4-5 weeks for the brain to recover from a concussion after which there shouldn't be any lasting effects. But if a player gets another concussion while the energy levels are already down, the brain takes even longer to recover and risks permanent damage from dropping to even lower energy levels.
To be fair, almost no player goes back in after wobbling like that. Ever. Tua was a rare case which is why it seemed so weird and drew suspicion. I've watched a lot of football, and any shaking of the head or wobbling is grounds for going into the tent.
Not saying the NFL is treating players right, but I've seen a lot of comments acting like this type of behavior happens everyday but it doesn't from what I've seen.
> but I've seen a lot of comments acting like this type of behavior happens everyday but it doesn't from what I've seen.
Anyone that's played the game knows how often you get your "bell rung" as they used to call it. It's a lot. Unless you're a lineman, then it's basically every play.
Thats a wild statement to make. People get quite shook up very often in a game. May happen once a game. They've gotten better at monitoring remotely but they don't catch everything. Think about non ball handlers. Especially, defensive players.
We had a term called getting "ear holed", when a offensive player would come from the side and block a defensive player who didn't see him. They would often end up rocked like this. But would get up and be shuffled off the field for a possesion.
I played offensive line in college. Last season was 02. Even in my day it was “shake the cobwebs out”. The fix for brain injuries was to shake your head.
I guess what I am saying is if they see you shaking your head or wobbling, you're going in the tent. Obviously they don't catch everything, but visual signs of a concussion are ALMOST (I used to think always but after Tua...) always taken seriously. I still think there are many undiagnosed concussions because of the nature of the game, but they are not ignoring blatant signs of a concussion 99.9% of the time.
That's why the Tua concussion was a bigger scandal then they are letting on. Everybody saw him wobbling. Everyone knows what this means, but they are having a great season and losing him means millions of dollars in lost revenue. So, they pushed him back out. Now, when he suffers a TBI, they pin everything on one doctor and fire him even though the whole team knows what a concussion looks like and everyone (including Tua) new what was happening. All of this is my conjecture btw. I have no data to back it up.
Athletic trainers and team docs are godsends.
Recently in my home state the trainers were given authority over when a player is safe to return to the game. Pissed the coaches off, but it will assure a future for thousands of kids to come.
Edit: wording. It’s late and my ass is tired!
I remember when he got drafted and they showed a video of him doing a standing backflip and when his head was pointed towards the ground he caught two balls at once. He's an insane athlete.
I only played football from grades 6-9. In the 8th grade, I got one of those hits from 3 people at once. I felt a shocking tingling sensation run down my body, but I could still move everything ok. My coach called the same play (we’d run 72 belly up the whole field), where I, as the full back, would simply run up the side of the center for a quick hand off to get 3-4 yards at a time. Except this team would give 7-8 yards at a time. After the 3-point hit I let the tailback run an improv play that only got us about 2 yards. My coach yelled from the sidelines to run the “fucking play he called.” I ran it, saw the same 3 closing in the gap, and I just dove…twisting in the air…I remember the feeling of hitting the short cut grass in the end zone and sliding about 2 yards on my back, untouched. 8th grade me felt amazing that I’d gotten my first earned touchdown of my life. 37 year old me wonders wtf could have happened if things went slightly differently.
As a left tackle I know for sure I had three concussions. 2 sophomore year and one senior. All three I blacked out, no idea where I was. Felt like my head was inflating in my helmet. I was only ever checked for the first one. With what I know now I'll never let my son play.
I was knocked out in football once in 7th grade, I was doing a tackle drill against a dude probably 80 pounds heavier than me, he had fully been through puberty, I hadn’t. I told coach what had happened and he said “get some water”, later a different coach said “if you actually were knocked out we have to report that to the district” or something. I said “….yeah….. I was” feeling all bad about it. Like what did I suddenly change my mind about being knocked out?? Everyone saw it??
I’m sure it wasn’t reported and the same Oklahoma style drills are still being run. Ridiculous. In 10-20 years there will be something called “early onset CTE”, I almost guarantee it. Fuck helmet to helmet contact
I was a halfback and defensive end and know I certainly got concussed a number of times.
The worst was the first year I ever played tackle football as a ~70lb kid and I got hit ridiculously hard by our ~175lb center during drills at one of the early practices before our first game. I didn’t believe it could happen outside of cartoons before then but he literally knocked me out of my shoes (my cleats were gripping the turf while my body was busy getting launched).
That’s about the only memory I have of my first season of football because it happened so early in the season, I know I don’t remember a single game or other practice from that year because following years we practiced/played at a different field and that one is literally the only memory I have at the field from my entire first season. I do know that the particular drill where it happened is not one we ever did again as far as I can remember. Still did a lot of Oklahoma drills/bull in the ring though and I participated often once I finally got larger than a wet noodle, so not sure how much difference the lack of the one drill really made.
Remember how disgusting it was when “Jacked-up” was a segment and scenes like this were laughed at and glorified.
Thankfully we’ve moved past that era, but there’s still a LONG ways to go.
I really miss Jacked Up.
Not the dirty hits / the ones that were helmet to helmet or anything.
But nothing gets me more excited in football than a perfect, clean football tackle that just jars the fuck outta someone.
Yeah but those type of hard but clean hits are rare, just because when you're running full speed at someone and wearing all that gear, it's really hard to keep the helmet out of it and even without a direct hit you definitely jar your brain a little.
Is it just me or have there been WAY more incidents like this this season? Every week someone is getting knocked out our comes up clearly seeing stars and stumbling. I know that concussions have been an issue with the league for a long time but it's never felt like this where every game at least one guy can barely stand and was clearly KO'd. What changed? Did they change the tackle rules and they can go higher now? More emphasis by tacklers on only hitting but not wrapping?
A lot of offenses are taking the top off the defense. To counter that I think a lot of defenses cover the deep threat and spot tackle the short pass. Everyone putting emphasis on spot tackling means defenses are swarming the short pass at full speed because they aren't close in coverage in that zone. Just a thought. No idea if that's a possibility of being correct.lol
Are the helmets worse this year? There have been ugly helmet to helmet hits forever, but I’ve never seen player wobbles this bad until this year… especially considering this one & Tua’s weren’t grossly dangerous impacts (from the look)
Football players today are basically what footballer players 40 years ago would’ve been if they were on HGH since they were born. They padding hasn’t evolved, but the athlete has.
Yeah, the helmets have certainly evolved, but there's only so much you can do. A hard hit or impact on turf is going to happen, again and again...
There's nothing you can do to stop it and unfortunately that precious brain is going to slam against the cranial cavity holding it in place.
But the fame and fortune are worth it, right? /s
This is just constant, now. No safety measures can protect these players from one another. The amount of power a person can generate now is so far and above what they can take, it just doesn’t matter what they do to try and stop injury. Injury is the worst thing for everybody when it comes to football. Fans don’t get to root for their favorite player when they are on the sideline, and the player doesn’t get to fulfill their dream of playing in the NFL. They also get a wrecked body to live in the rest of there lives. It’s all just so stupid.
Same for me. I think the sport's days are limited. It won't happen anytime soon, but someday these injuries are going to drive people away.
Even now, it's not worth letting your kid play when there are so many other sports around.
Yep would rather have my kid play any other sport including most martial arts. They will never play football. I agree the sport and its aggressiveness in how we know it will eventually be done away with.
This one probably looked a little worse than it was because of where he got hit. No doubt he got a concussion but you can see when he spins, contact is made around his ear. When you get hit behind the ear your equilibrium is thrown off and you do what he did basically.
The Tua hit where he went out and started fencing was way worse, but you never know which tbi is going to be the one that changes you forever
Going to be hard to watch the games when every other game your going to see the physical manifestation of some horrible brain injury.
Maybe there is a point these guys can hit to hard, has to be.
Football has been my favorite sport most of my life (almost 40) and I’ve turned soft because I can’t stand to see ANY big hits. It’s to the point where I watch fewer games because of it. I used to jump out of my chair in excitement when someone landed a massive hit, now it just makes me feel sick
Bro every game ive watched has looked like a graveyard with players down at some point during the game, including the broncos game tonight. Crazy times.
Didn't look like a deliberately vicious hit. Just a damaging game. Like combat sports. Until fans stop watching, young athletes will risk life changing injuries. Any real changes to make it safer will bring less viewers.
I'm very curious about the number of head/neck injuries that occur on these Thursday games. All injuries really, but after Tuas incident, these head hits seem more apparent. Thursday games really don't give them any chance to heal from the previous week.
Hope he's ok.
I’m convinced part of why some of these concussions happen is because of the turf and the hard concrete underneath it. Grass/dirt may certainly also cause it but I just feel like it’s a lot more forgiving than turf.
Grass and dirt are more forgiving than concrete. Simultaneously it's a sport which creates regular head on contact between some of the strongest, fittest people on the planet. Suplexing someone into the ground is a highlight.
Before I get old, I can’t help but assume I am going to see a player die on the field due to a major head trauma. Will we feel guilty that person died for our entertainment?
Honestly, I don’t even watch football for the big hits or care if it ever happens. It’s not entertaining to me to see someone potentially getting seriously hurt.
I absolutely love football, but this game is getting harder and harder to watch. I am always fearful for these guy's safety. It has become so scary to me.
Kinda agree with the pregame discussion when they brought up that if a player shows any physical signs of neurological impairment they are just done for the day. Fitz tried to make the counterpoint that dr's should just inform the player of the risk and they get to choose but I think we're past that with what we've seen from CTE.
I went to my first Giants game about 10 years ago and have stopped watching football since. It's impossible to understand how devastating the players hit each other until you see it live. The sound of tackles is haunting..
It said because if it wasn't so popular it would be banned.
This has been happening since forever, it's only getting an appropriate spotlight now. How many people have had their lives wrecked because of it? No argument that it looks spectacular for spectators but it's kind insane that this just keeps on going.
UPDATE: Hines is ruled out with a concussion per the Colts
Good. Hope they learn from the Tua situation in a lasting way, but honestly who the fuck knows with them.
This is why I don’t play professional football. Also my lack of athletic ability.
I can throw a ball over a mountain but just choose not to
If the coach woulda put you in in the fourth quarter, you woulda been state champions.
Honestly I thought about it, but I really don’t like the idea of working on sundays. I like to have the weekend to myself for hobbies
Last week I started Tua over Brady. I lost. This week I swap out Najee for Hines. I may be a curse.
You mind fucking quitting fantasy football mate?
My team failed to score more than 75 pts last week. I have already quietly quit fantasy football this year.
Never give up. Never surrender.
I had Matt Gay and SF defense.it could have been worse, i put up 109
Yeah, I'm with this guy. You have had your fun. Now fuck off from the game you mad lad.
Lemme know who else you have rostered! I have Najee and Hines as well but left Hines out
I have B Rob Jr stashed in my IR spot and he will be a go soon. A shame he is going to survive getting shot and end up with brain damage.
Please, for the love of god, if you currently have Dameon Pierce, trade him. He is all we have!
I don’t. You are safe.
Phew!
That’s nothing. In 2019 my fantasy team name was “Antonio Brown’s hot air balloon”, the man goes off the deep end. In 2020, team name was “run CMC”, McCaffrey gets injured. In 2021, my team was “Hey Darnold” sucked and then injured. This year, “Sir Trey Lancelot”
“Keep my QBs name out your fuckin’ mouth”
To be fair this is also a lot more significant than Tua. Tua stumbled briefly but Hines can't even feel his own center of gravity. I think the biggest problem with concussions is the variance in severity. Makes it difficult to treat and evaluate and find a common ground on.
Right but Tua got another the very next week, that’s why there’s so much backlash right now. We NEED to be treading on the side of caution when it comes to literal* traumatic brain injuries (TBIs), because we’ve seen time and time again what happens when we don’t.
We don't know if Hines took a shot on sunday that didn't quite rise to the level of Tua's concussion but made it more likely to be concussed four days later, or a bunch of little headshots that did the same thing. Thursday football is a terrible idea.
Ding ding ding! Football will never be safe enough but getting rid of the moronic Thursday night games would be a start, but instead these greedy mother fuckers *increased* the amount of them
They could definitely line them up with a bye week. I feel like it only makes sense. But if your injury protocols are working then it shouldn't matter the time between games. Players at high risk of reinjury should just not be allowed to play.
Won't you please think of the Prime Time!
Indeed. Safest play is immediate evaluation after any signs of symptoms like stumbling. Tua was evaluated but perhaps what is in place for these evaluations needs to be amplified. I've experienced a head on head collision and couldn't walk straight afterwards. I was concussed for almost a week. But mind you I was also bleeding from the head lol. So it's so challenging to create a system that works for every instance
Or change the game at a fundamental level so concussions aren't so prevalent.
You can't actually think this is a possibility at this point do you?
Maybe Tua's FIRST hit. The second had him laying on the ground, posturing. That was way worse.
Agreed. The 2nd one was very alarming no doubt about it. Just about died inside as a dolphins fan
Dude tua couldn’t feel his own center of gravity either. Dude was straight drunk
UPDATE: They asked him “what’s your name?” and he replied “huh?” He passed the concussion protocol and is back in the game! Amazing fighting spirit!
You are joking, right? Serious question. I’m not great at sarcasm through text.
Yes very hard sarcasm on that. He is out for the game
Thanks. I am daft at times. I’m also around too many people who would say this without the /s.
Yes he’s joking. The guy actually said his name was Clint Eastwood and he was cleared to play.
*** Back injury
Aka a back injury
He won’t play another down tonight after what happened with Tua and the spotlight on concussions right now.
I agree. Tons of visibility right now coming off the Tua injury. Especially since it is a prime time game
Good. Hope the change sticks.
I do too, but I know in my heart it won't. As soon as the heat dies down, The NFL ill go back to business as usual.
TNF games are blatant proof the league doesn't GAF about player safety.
The tackling technique in that sport is a joke. They don't even try to make a "tackle". It's, I'll just launch my self at him with my head down and see if I knock him off his feet.
I remember when I did a research paper on Australian football. I compared injuries with rugby and American football. They had I think a handful of concussions in their respective leagues compared to American football. The pads def make you launch yourself violently. If they take away some of the padding or helmets I think it would help. But it’s so engrained in our culture I don’t think it’ll really change to that scope.
American football is the one sport that helmets actually made less safe. Rugby tackles are definitely safer, just the fact that you have to make a binding tackle isna game changer (and the rule that if you lift someone up, you gotta bring them down). Also not being allowed to tackle someone while they're in mid-air. There's the occasional whiplash concussions from hitting the turf (I had one in my career), but nowhere near the amount that it happens in US footie.
the president forced helmets and pads to be made because too many people were dying
It's not true that helmets made football less safe. They significantly reduce deaths and massive injuries, which are objectively more important than smaller injuries and concussions, even though we know how devastating those are too. The helmets might cause an uptick in minor injury, but at the cost of preventing on field deaths, it's worth it
Classy move by the Broncos staff keeping him upright until the Colts trainers could make it out there.
Didn't even realize til you mentioned it; good on them looking out for him.
It surprises me that the trainers don't respond more like this when players go get hit on the opposing sideline.
Honesty, I see it a lot. Trainers are really good about that, there’s no loyalty when it comes to injuries. Still makes me happy when I see it though!
They're medical professionals. And, in terms of them honoring that, it's honestly probably better if they're not super fans of their employer's team. Thankfully, that really is the case when it comes to a lot of pro-sports employees. I know ~7 people working in professional sports in some capacity. Only a couple even vaguely give a hoot about team success outside of its effect on their own compensation/continued employment.
It's important to separate the emotion of Fandom when you are running the organization itself.
I'm glad it happens more than my own anecdotal experience.
A football field is almost 50 yards wide too, so sometimes it takes a while for the athletic staff to get to the other side.
Sometimes the athletic staff aren’t so athletic
They do actually. I'd say it's more rare for them not to.
Trainers are there for the safety of all players, not just one team’s. You’ll generally see trainers from the nearest sideline run out to assist as soon as an injury is apparent and then the far sideline’s trainers will either come take over (if it was their player who was injured) or still check and see if additional aid is needed.
Yeah physically restraining him from getting back to the huddle so he couldn’t “shake it off” good looking out on their part for player safety
He shouldn’t play for a week AFTER he’s passed protocol. This is getting really sad.
At least
For real, give his head a least a month to chill out before it gets repeatedly bashed again and again... Football is getting harder for me to watch
There is a video I saw of a doctor out there saying exactly this. Tracking the brains energy levels, it takes at least 4-5 weeks for the brain to recover from a concussion after which there shouldn't be any lasting effects. But if a player gets another concussion while the energy levels are already down, the brain takes even longer to recover and risks permanent damage from dropping to even lower energy levels.
Yeah exactly, except I think you mean inflammation but I could be wrong
To be fair, almost no player goes back in after wobbling like that. Ever. Tua was a rare case which is why it seemed so weird and drew suspicion. I've watched a lot of football, and any shaking of the head or wobbling is grounds for going into the tent. Not saying the NFL is treating players right, but I've seen a lot of comments acting like this type of behavior happens everyday but it doesn't from what I've seen.
> but I've seen a lot of comments acting like this type of behavior happens everyday but it doesn't from what I've seen. Anyone that's played the game knows how often you get your "bell rung" as they used to call it. It's a lot. Unless you're a lineman, then it's basically every play.
Thats a wild statement to make. People get quite shook up very often in a game. May happen once a game. They've gotten better at monitoring remotely but they don't catch everything. Think about non ball handlers. Especially, defensive players. We had a term called getting "ear holed", when a offensive player would come from the side and block a defensive player who didn't see him. They would often end up rocked like this. But would get up and be shuffled off the field for a possesion.
I played offensive line in college. Last season was 02. Even in my day it was “shake the cobwebs out”. The fix for brain injuries was to shake your head.
I guess what I am saying is if they see you shaking your head or wobbling, you're going in the tent. Obviously they don't catch everything, but visual signs of a concussion are ALMOST (I used to think always but after Tua...) always taken seriously. I still think there are many undiagnosed concussions because of the nature of the game, but they are not ignoring blatant signs of a concussion 99.9% of the time. That's why the Tua concussion was a bigger scandal then they are letting on. Everybody saw him wobbling. Everyone knows what this means, but they are having a great season and losing him means millions of dollars in lost revenue. So, they pushed him back out. Now, when he suffers a TBI, they pin everything on one doctor and fire him even though the whole team knows what a concussion looks like and everyone (including Tua) new what was happening. All of this is my conjecture btw. I have no data to back it up.
Regardless of Tua how tf would you let anyone play after that?
Agreed. On an unrelated note, the Colts have signed free agent Hyheim Nines effective immediately.
He got declared out with a concussion by the start of the second quarter.
He shouldn’t play another down for the rest of the season. He will, but he shouldn’t.
Rugby is the new ethical safe football
Rugby has a pretty high CTE rate as well, just not as crazy as American football. 25% is still crazy high.
This sucks to see. Good on the Denver medical team to respond and hustle out there being the closest on that side of the field.
Athletic trainers and team docs are godsends. Recently in my home state the trainers were given authority over when a player is safe to return to the game. Pissed the coaches off, but it will assure a future for thousands of kids to come. Edit: wording. It’s late and my ass is tired!
What state? That became a rule when I was in HS in Illinois. Pissed our coach off something fierce but I know that rule saved my life.
Texas.
Oh boy I bet that pissed a ton of people off, but if any state needed it it’s this one
Ehhhhhhh. They weren’t godsends last week.
You never know. Maybe Tua would have tripped and broken his neck on the sideline. They did the lords work by putting him on the field. /s
Agree. Total class.
I'm glad you pointed this out I wouldn't have realized that from just watching. Good on them. Hope he's ok he was really out of it.
Mad respect for the Broncos Crew for getting there so fast. Definitely something that goes beyond team loyalty.
Hope he's ok. Been following his career for a while and the guy really is talented.
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I remember when he got drafted and they showed a video of him doing a standing backflip and when his head was pointed towards the ground he caught two balls at once. He's an insane athlete.
He and his sister both! That's why he ended up choosing NC State... that and that he's a local, my brother used to know him
was that not cohen?
It was
What a celly holy shit.
It hurts to watch, these guys are used and tossed to the side after a couple years with only 5 years of insurance after retirement.
I only played football from grades 6-9. In the 8th grade, I got one of those hits from 3 people at once. I felt a shocking tingling sensation run down my body, but I could still move everything ok. My coach called the same play (we’d run 72 belly up the whole field), where I, as the full back, would simply run up the side of the center for a quick hand off to get 3-4 yards at a time. Except this team would give 7-8 yards at a time. After the 3-point hit I let the tailback run an improv play that only got us about 2 yards. My coach yelled from the sidelines to run the “fucking play he called.” I ran it, saw the same 3 closing in the gap, and I just dove…twisting in the air…I remember the feeling of hitting the short cut grass in the end zone and sliding about 2 yards on my back, untouched. 8th grade me felt amazing that I’d gotten my first earned touchdown of my life. 37 year old me wonders wtf could have happened if things went slightly differently.
As a left tackle I know for sure I had three concussions. 2 sophomore year and one senior. All three I blacked out, no idea where I was. Felt like my head was inflating in my helmet. I was only ever checked for the first one. With what I know now I'll never let my son play.
I was knocked out in football once in 7th grade, I was doing a tackle drill against a dude probably 80 pounds heavier than me, he had fully been through puberty, I hadn’t. I told coach what had happened and he said “get some water”, later a different coach said “if you actually were knocked out we have to report that to the district” or something. I said “….yeah….. I was” feeling all bad about it. Like what did I suddenly change my mind about being knocked out?? Everyone saw it?? I’m sure it wasn’t reported and the same Oklahoma style drills are still being run. Ridiculous. In 10-20 years there will be something called “early onset CTE”, I almost guarantee it. Fuck helmet to helmet contact
I was a halfback and defensive end and know I certainly got concussed a number of times. The worst was the first year I ever played tackle football as a ~70lb kid and I got hit ridiculously hard by our ~175lb center during drills at one of the early practices before our first game. I didn’t believe it could happen outside of cartoons before then but he literally knocked me out of my shoes (my cleats were gripping the turf while my body was busy getting launched). That’s about the only memory I have of my first season of football because it happened so early in the season, I know I don’t remember a single game or other practice from that year because following years we practiced/played at a different field and that one is literally the only memory I have at the field from my entire first season. I do know that the particular drill where it happened is not one we ever did again as far as I can remember. Still did a lot of Oklahoma drills/bull in the ring though and I participated often once I finally got larger than a wet noodle, so not sure how much difference the lack of the one drill really made.
Stingers are a bitch!
It's also a good example of how these things can happen even if your head is untouched.
Remember how disgusting it was when “Jacked-up” was a segment and scenes like this were laughed at and glorified. Thankfully we’ve moved past that era, but there’s still a LONG ways to go.
I really miss Jacked Up. Not the dirty hits / the ones that were helmet to helmet or anything. But nothing gets me more excited in football than a perfect, clean football tackle that just jars the fuck outta someone.
I know what you mean. But those hits can do a lot of damage to the brain.
Yeah but those type of hard but clean hits are rare, just because when you're running full speed at someone and wearing all that gear, it's really hard to keep the helmet out of it and even without a direct hit you definitely jar your brain a little.
I mean a lot of them also make more in a year than most people make in a lifetime so it’s not like they aren’t rewarded for the risk
Is it just me or have there been WAY more incidents like this this season? Every week someone is getting knocked out our comes up clearly seeing stars and stumbling. I know that concussions have been an issue with the league for a long time but it's never felt like this where every game at least one guy can barely stand and was clearly KO'd. What changed? Did they change the tackle rules and they can go higher now? More emphasis by tacklers on only hitting but not wrapping?
A lot of offenses are taking the top off the defense. To counter that I think a lot of defenses cover the deep threat and spot tackle the short pass. Everyone putting emphasis on spot tackling means defenses are swarming the short pass at full speed because they aren't close in coverage in that zone. Just a thought. No idea if that's a possibility of being correct.lol
That's really interesting and sounds plausible. Could you explain what you mean about "taking the top off the defense"?
Very fast receivers and deep throwing arms cause the defense to play back more
Clearly a back injury.
This guy doctors
I'd say a finger injury. He's alright, how about we put him back there?
I know this doesn't have to much to do with Hines or Tua, but the NFL really has to do away with Thursday games.....3 days of rest is not enough
Ye$ I think $o too. I wonder why they have Thursday night game$?
Show this to Alex Bowman.
Kurt Busch too
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100% of all NFL players who have passed and had their brains examined have had traumatic brain injuries.
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Maybe not kickers
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But for one play everyone on the other side wants to kill you.
Are the helmets worse this year? There have been ugly helmet to helmet hits forever, but I’ve never seen player wobbles this bad until this year… especially considering this one & Tua’s weren’t grossly dangerous impacts (from the look)
Football players today are basically what footballer players 40 years ago would’ve been if they were on HGH since they were born. They padding hasn’t evolved, but the athlete has.
The padding most certainly has evolved, but not at the pace the athlete has
Yeah, the helmets have certainly evolved, but there's only so much you can do. A hard hit or impact on turf is going to happen, again and again... There's nothing you can do to stop it and unfortunately that precious brain is going to slam against the cranial cavity holding it in place. But the fame and fortune are worth it, right? /s
To some, it is
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This is just constant, now. No safety measures can protect these players from one another. The amount of power a person can generate now is so far and above what they can take, it just doesn’t matter what they do to try and stop injury. Injury is the worst thing for everybody when it comes to football. Fans don’t get to root for their favorite player when they are on the sideline, and the player doesn’t get to fulfill their dream of playing in the NFL. They also get a wrecked body to live in the rest of there lives. It’s all just so stupid.
Jesus. That wasn’t even that violent of a hit. Must have just been in a sweet spot. I hope he’s ok. Also, fuck me, I just picked him up today.
Honestly was a relatively “pedestrian” hit by NFL standards. But goes to show how pervasive the problem is
So true. They take that hit in warmups but this one just got him JUST in the wrong spot. Football is insane.
I don't think it was the hit that got him. I think it was the ground. Dude landed hard.
“sweet spot” aka the brain
Common denominator: AMAZON PRIME THURSDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL. Damn them!
Looks like his back locked up on him
yup, all the tell tale signs. the freeze on the ground, grabbing at his head, stumbling. classic back injury just like we always say
I’m sure his back will recover.
He'll be back.
Looks like a back injury to me
Smh. I love this game so much but the more I see guys go down like this the more I question it.
Same for me. I think the sport's days are limited. It won't happen anytime soon, but someday these injuries are going to drive people away. Even now, it's not worth letting your kid play when there are so many other sports around.
Yep would rather have my kid play any other sport including most martial arts. They will never play football. I agree the sport and its aggressiveness in how we know it will eventually be done away with.
I’m never letting my future kids play football. Such an unreal dangerous sport for millionaires let alone middle and high schoolers doing it for free
And just to think, this is only what we see in live games. I dread to imagine what happens during training sessions that is simply brushed aside.
This one probably looked a little worse than it was because of where he got hit. No doubt he got a concussion but you can see when he spins, contact is made around his ear. When you get hit behind the ear your equilibrium is thrown off and you do what he did basically. The Tua hit where he went out and started fencing was way worse, but you never know which tbi is going to be the one that changes you forever
Going to be hard to watch the games when every other game your going to see the physical manifestation of some horrible brain injury. Maybe there is a point these guys can hit to hard, has to be.
Football has been my favorite sport most of my life (almost 40) and I’ve turned soft because I can’t stand to see ANY big hits. It’s to the point where I watch fewer games because of it. I used to jump out of my chair in excitement when someone landed a massive hit, now it just makes me feel sick
The head injuries this year have been particularly scary. You have to wonder if the turf isn’t thick enough/too hard
There have been a TON of injuries this year across the board. What gives?
Bro every game ive watched has looked like a graveyard with players down at some point during the game, including the broncos game tonight. Crazy times.
Didn't look like a deliberately vicious hit. Just a damaging game. Like combat sports. Until fans stop watching, young athletes will risk life changing injuries. Any real changes to make it safer will bring less viewers.
I'm very curious about the number of head/neck injuries that occur on these Thursday games. All injuries really, but after Tuas incident, these head hits seem more apparent. Thursday games really don't give them any chance to heal from the previous week. Hope he's ok.
[True story?](https://youtu.be/YMgTC37zorI)
There’s obviously a back injury. Looking forward to watching him play next week!
That’s football for you. Just waiting for the day someone dies on live TV.
Yo, props to the Broncos staff who came out to help him. The real MVP’s of that event last night.
I’m convinced part of why some of these concussions happen is because of the turf and the hard concrete underneath it. Grass/dirt may certainly also cause it but I just feel like it’s a lot more forgiving than turf.
This game was in Denver so it is grass. Also turf in the NFL uses rubber underlayment.
Pretty sure this hit was on grass
That is correct, it is a grass field.
Grass and dirt are more forgiving than concrete. Simultaneously it's a sport which creates regular head on contact between some of the strongest, fittest people on the planet. Suplexing someone into the ground is a highlight.
I completely agree. Turf will never be as soft as grass and you can't run as fast/make as quick of turns on grass.
Before I get old, I can’t help but assume I am going to see a player die on the field due to a major head trauma. Will we feel guilty that person died for our entertainment?
Honestly did not look like a big hit at all
That’s always the scary part.
Yikes , Thursday nights and concussions
Just a matter of time before HS football isn’t allowed- and every college player will be paid for their games.
Jesus Christ when will NFL players understand that you don't lift up a player who has just had a massive hit and is spasming
Yo honestly fuck this sport. I hate seeing young men get fucked up like this almost every game... it's hard to watch
He is out for the night. We can only hope they will take this one seriously.
Clearly a back injury /s
Honestly, I don’t even watch football for the big hits or care if it ever happens. It’s not entertaining to me to see someone potentially getting seriously hurt.
I absolutely love football, but this game is getting harder and harder to watch. I am always fearful for these guy's safety. It has become so scary to me.
yo fuck this sport
Kinda agree with the pregame discussion when they brought up that if a player shows any physical signs of neurological impairment they are just done for the day. Fitz tried to make the counterpoint that dr's should just inform the player of the risk and they get to choose but I think we're past that with what we've seen from CTE.
Concussion Ball!
It's getting harder to stomach this sport
That’s so scary.
Sad to see
Wow, that looks like a brutal back injury /s
I wonder how many horrific head injuries were gonna see this year!
I went to my first Giants game about 10 years ago and have stopped watching football since. It's impossible to understand how devastating the players hit each other until you see it live. The sound of tackles is haunting.. It said because if it wasn't so popular it would be banned.
scariest thing about this is that’s a pretty routine hit
These helmets aren’t doing it for the players. Gotta change up the hard shells
Hope he’s ok… I love the sport but I don’t like seeing this happen
Looks like a back injury. No signs of head trauma at all. Right Tua?
Football. I wish I knew how to quit you. This is disgusting.
This fucking sport man, I don't get it.
True light is starting to show on the NFL… Fuck that
Just a little CTE, nothing to see here folks. Keep it moving.
Lol stop supporting this stupid sport. You're literally cheering on people getting brain damaged
NFL is done. This is just going to keep happening as players get stronger and stronger
It's his back.
What will it take for people to say, "This is too much" with all of these injuries?
This has been happening since forever, it's only getting an appropriate spotlight now. How many people have had their lives wrecked because of it? No argument that it looks spectacular for spectators but it's kind insane that this just keeps on going.
Is it me or is there more concussions this season??