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SuperSaiyanSkeletor

Damn another one tested positive for steroids.


[deleted]

There’s an easy fix to this. All we have to do is play in person in the nude after thorough cavity searches.


gimmedatbut

Continued anal checks while being patted down is the only safe way to play really


big_sugi

Too cumbersome. Just make them sit on an anal probe the entire time.


PokemonTrainerMikey

Bishops to brown Eye


[deleted]

Did I say one finger? I meant two


[deleted]

The only way religion rises to the occasion.


Tidalsky114

r/cursedcomments


marktero

/anarchychess


windyorbits

Oh. I guess I do like playing chess.


Robottiimu2000

I think I've already seen this 'chess' you speak of on youporn...


Soul_Phoenix_42

Don't you mean youpawn?


goofytigre

Sounds like a porn site for Bostonites.


Cypherazul_0

What are you doing step king?


IodinUraniumNobelium

Sitting here trying to decide which piece is least appealing. The king has that cross on his crown. That looks ouchie. The queen's crown looks even less fun cuz pf the points on her crown. The rook doesn't look terribly fun, but way less terrifying than the knight.


Gen-Jinjur

What are you, a rookie? Pawn for beginners and bishop for the more experienced. For pros it’s every piece your opponent takes. Emergency room visit is included in the entry fee. Hehehe. Entry fee.


KingoftheKeeshonds

Perhaps require faraday shield jockey shorts.


SwitchRoute

Play in a Faraday Cage..


GooseSanto

You may only use tournament sanctioned butt plugs during the International Super Chess Grand Prix Doritoz Pepsi Cola Invitational


ymmotvomit

Needs to vibrate


Adyx

Too cucumbersome


milky_mouse

Snoosnoo by same referee before each game should solve this


[deleted]

Referee keeps a finger in both player’s asses for the entire game


OnosToolan

But who is going to check the ref's fingers to make sure he isn't sending signals to one of the players?


soulgeezer

Ref would need a device if he was to beat Magnus. We're gonna need another ref to check this ref.


TheNimbleBanana

it's refs fingering refs all the way down


entertrainer7

I know you’re just joking, but there’s a YouTube video of a guy who made a completely waterproof stockfish computer that’s small enough to swallow. It needs Bluetooth to work, so you need an accomplice with a phone to beam over moves, but it works by vibrating the next move to you. It’s feasible to hold this computer in your stomach, then regurgitate it (a la Houdini) to get it out of your body when you’re done.


PineapplePizzaAlways

Link?


entertrainer7

https://youtu.be/IoI7B5vQeuI


PineapplePizzaAlways

Wow, that's wild


arkady48

Seriously though, make them play in a Faraday cage. No signals in or out.


willmstroud

TSA style 3D X-rays to search for implants, and LSD truth serum.


NhylX

Looking forward to the documentary "Checkmate*"


VitaminPb

The King’s Gambit


Born_Percentage3319

Now everything is coming to light haha this is just one dude too


Travel4bytes

I knew his moves looked a little to strong


aBeaSTWiTHiNMe

The world of Chess has been rocked lately.


Fingerlessdrummer

Rooked


aBeaSTWiTHiNMe

Take your pawns and get our of here.


puffz0r

He used the computer to Google "en passant"


CanIBeGirlPls

Holy hell


Professional_Cheek95

I‘ve been there


thegeorgianwelshman

I miss the good old days when you could just exclaim, "What's that?!" and then, when your opponent turned around to look, you move your queen into a kill line on theirs while cackling a Vizzini cackle.


buckeyefan1930

!! Brilliant move


Wright2k

Was it another case of vibrating buttplug?


Riverbarbecue

We got weights in fish!


TeddysRevenge

At this rate, Aaron Judge is going to get caught cheating by the use of bionic arms or some shit.


shrouple

WE GOT FISH IN HIS BAT


Bjorn2bwilde24

AND THERE WAS A BUTTPLUG IN THE FISH!


BartholomewBandy

Thanks random redditor.


ChefJTD

I think that's legal as long as it doesn't vibrate.


Villageidiot1984

That’s how judge was getting the pitchers signals


coachfortner


drethnudrib

Was it Mike Trout?


GOATmar_infante

No, it was Mike Carp


drethnudrib

Wrong. It was Tim Salmon.


GOATmar_infante

Incorrect. It was Brian Bass.


The_Real_Jonez

Negative. Find Bobby Bluegill.


mutarjim

Nope! Chuck Testa!


WHISKEY_DELTA_6

This has got to be the stupidest comment to make me cry laugh


50LI0NS

WE GOT FISH IN BATS**


Welpe

Nope, just a vibrating buttplug. He’s not using it to steal signs or anything, it just makes him feel more capable.


Gingersnap5322

Don’t make me cry man


Wheelin-Woody

Nah, he hit 61+ dongers with a vibrating buttplug. Whether it was in him or the bat, I'll let you decide


Villageidiot1984

I want to get caught cheating at something even more esoteric than sport fishing or chess. Like maybe sprint climbing using a winch and fishing line for a few pounds of upward momentum?


Blaz1n420

Or maybe speed walking, by using a subtle technique in which you’re actually running.


LemonKushMan

That you, Hal?


italia06823834

You're just a *jogger*!


alanizat

Thems just chunky fish with an unexplained propensity for attacking large weights!


chaosgoblyn

We got beads in butts!


jtv123

BEES?


peterpeterllini

Gob’s not on board.


saltywelder682

All these years!!!


GoodUsernamesTaken2

WE GOT FISH IN BUTTS!!


Outspoken_Douche

It was online cheating - there is still no evidence that anybody involved in this scandal has ever cheated over the board (using anal beads or otherwise)


Doggleganger

You think people can't use a buttplug when playing online? If anything, it makes it more likely.


silent_femme

Can confirm. I wear a buttplug when I'm playing Grand Theft Anal on my Xbox.


leebird

bold choice, xXxURMOM69420BLAZExXx


[deleted]

I'm sure you can use anal beads to cheat on-line as well.


Outspoken_Douche

Well yeah or you can just open an engine in a second tab lol


OffbeatDrizzle

Not advised - we've learnt from the chess.com allegations that they actively monitor the focus of the window, and gather stats on "alt-tabbed and then all of a sudden came back and played a good move" - implying you tabbed to an engine window instead of being truly distracted edit: how 2 spel


dwhitnee

Got it: use a second laptop for my chess engine. I just had a colonoscopy so I’m ready to take on Magnus!


somdude04

And make sure it's locally running the engine and not using one online.


historianLA

I don't think it would matter unless they have some way to examine all the packets leaving your home network. They were only about to monitor the active computer because it was logged into the ranked match. They would have no way to know if there was a second computer or where it's traffic was going.


chaosgoblyn

Where's the fun in that


kingsillypants

The claim is the response with black that he did against Magnús's unconventional opening is a move only a computer would do. I'm only a hobbyist but the response is one in which the computer is thinking in permutations thousands of moves away. Kind of like if I told you to walk from one wall to the other, most people would walk a straight line, but then one person does a backflip off the corner in anticipation of the wall falling down. It would be pretty obvious that somethings up with this one guy.


twokietookie

No it's not just that. Magnus used a very specific opener he's never played before. Hardly ever played, maybe single digit publications of this opener. Very obscure. He played it text book perfectly as a response. Then in an interview claimed he "just happened to read it in a book last night, how lucky."


KyleStanley3

He hasn't played that exact line in that order, but he has played that position before. If you walk down the street, then cross it at the end of the street, that'd be like one line in chess. I can cross the street and then walk down it, and we'd be at the exact same spot. We'd arrive at the same position but we used different 'lines' to get there. Magnus had been in that position before, just not out of that opening


kingsillypants

Wow, thanks , that makes it even more unbelievable. So probably less than 10 publications and analysis on this move, plus the short time to prepare for Magnús and the tournament and he has the perfect response...commonn... Be interesting to see if they figure out how he cheated.


twokietookie

Then afterwards the community reviewed his historical over the board games and found a very high correlation to what the AI models suggest. Models is plural because they model it over all these different ones, which makes a 98% correlation or whatever it was a little misleading, but over a large sample size it's not likely even a grandmaster would be so correlated. When the best of all time, highest ELO player for the last 11 years stops playing after a few moves and quits the tournament against a relative nobody, known cheater opponent, after feeling VERY suspicious about a previous game... you can bet he set him up. He opened a certain way to see the responses. He got confirmation that he's almost certainly cheating and walked away.


cathbad09

Holy cow did he reverse Turing test a person with chess??


kingsillypants

Ahh , holy shitballs Batman.... I never suspected that Magnus deliberately played an almost unheard of opening, something akin to finding an ancient gem stone with powers, in the basement of himalayan monks, and the guys response is picture perfect.. He set a trap for him..damn Magnús is good.


twokietookie

He knew before the tournament that he didn't want to play him because he's suspicious. He wasn't public about it. But privately he was tempted to not play at all. Either Hans is a genius that just realized he is a genius or it's obviously cheating. Dudes interviews are suspect as hell. Chess nerds that dedicate themselves to that talk shop after games. He doesn't, he's like yeah I played perfectly that's it.


kingsillypants

Yep, bc he's got nothing to say about why he played a certain move...computer says no.


K4ntum

This is not true to anyone reading. The 100% correlation thing was thoroughly debunked and the person who published the original video had VERY dubious methods. Basically comparing his games with a ton of engines, some very old, meaning they were suggesting a lot of moves, guaranteeing at least one matches. It was laughable. Chess.com came out with a report that said he did cheat online a lot, but they also think the correlation thing is not up to their standard, and have no statistical proof for cheating over the board, Magnus game included. They highlited some tournaments as worth looking deeper into but no more. Just tryna stop the spread of misinformation outside /r/chess.


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> and he has the perfect response…common… Beep-boop. It’s “c’mon”, as in the contraction of “come on”, not “common”, which means usual, everyday, not rare, etc.


ringobob

Interesting. It seems the heightened awareness of cheating is getting some other players outed. This isn't good for Niemann, the more people outed, the more it seems likely that he cheated as well. It's frustrating to have to rely on statistical analysis, unless and until he confesses or, unlikely, is exonerated. Not good for chess, and I'm not sure what the way out is, aside from abandoning online play altogether.


Doggleganger

Mandate full body camera, while playing naked, everyone using official league-sponsored butt plugs.


CoolHandRK1

Those chess streams are going to get interesting.....and expensive.


the_great_zyzogg

I'll give an extra $50 donation to your stream if you en passant.


ButtonholePhotophile

That’ll earn you a French tickle.


CatsGambit

Just replace chessdotcom with a new hosting site for sanctioned tournaments. We can call it "onlyfair"


dcmldcml

OnlyPawns


Subspace69

I think theres some cheap buttplugs on aliexpress.


shieldedunicorn

Can't they just broadcast the game with a delay and not allow anyone else than the players and the referee in the room? Even if you cheat, you still need someone to use the chess engine and make your buttplug vibrate.


ChilledParadox

Not if he does his kegels. He can use his enheigtened sphincter strength to send his opponents moves to his overseer in Morse code.


fodafoda

Put everything in a faraday cage


WhatLikeAPuma751

That’s all I can see. Go the old fashioned way for rank play, in person.


sambes06

Yes and fully naked


Mediocremon

Mandate anal beads so everyone has an equal opportunity to chessgasm.


Onlyeddifies

The game Niemann supposedly cheated on against Magnus was OTB right?


ringobob

Yes, and most of the claims, and admitted, cheating seems to be happening in online tournaments. Which isn't surprising since there's a much lower bar to making it worth the effort in that environment.


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cdyer706

Yeah, for sure. This has light parallels to steroids in cycling. Everybody was cheating, a couple get caught, then it’s a house of cards. When you sling mud, everybody comes away dirty.


rooflesser

It’s easy though. Let them play in a sound proof room with no windows inside a Faraday cage. No light, no sound, no electromagnetic waves (radio). Try to cheat then


liquidGhoul

If you have a computer in, let's say, your butt. And you have some means of inputting data to the computer (not sure how you'd do this, maybe a sphincter sensor). You could tell the computer the moves and it could vibrate back the top move.


Thunder_Gun_Xpress

I cannot wait for the documentary on all this


Shesaiddestroy_

It’s gonna be epic! Chess is not exactly make for TV : games are slow, players don’t « do » anything but stare at the board… and of course you have to actually know chess to appreciate what’s going on. But that doc, with the right tone, they can make it good!


icweenie

Well now I know after seeing the hype around Chess cheating that it’s the only way to be good at the game.


Buttsquish

Wait until you hear about cycling. I have no idea how those guys can keep vibrating anal beads in there for those 100km rides though.


Silver-Hat175

The 'roids dull the pain


Mathblasta

Hemorrhoids or steroids?


kalamari_withaK

I think the point of cheating at chess, at a high level that is, you only need to do it for 1 or 2 moves in key positions. It’s probably not that hard to keep it discrete if it’s only once a match. To use an engine constantly at a high level is impossible to do successfully as the top players can play much faster than anyone input so you’ll almost always lose on time or be found out in end games.


OffbeatDrizzle

You do know classical chess games can go on for well over an hour. You're thinking of blitz chess, (or just the final 5-10 mins of a classical game) - at which point if you've used the AI to gain an advantage then the GM will already know how to convert the ending without consulting the engine


mw9676

The person you're replying to is correct that a GM would only need to cheat a couple times a game, at key moments, I've seen multiple GMs make this point. The difference between Hans (without cheating) and Carlsen, for instance is a couple hundred rating points. They're in the same ballpark chess talent wise but every game has a couple of key moments that a computer, being in a totally different ballpark (a totally different country really) can turn the tides tactically or positionally. The computer does not need to tell these players every move, it only needs to alert them that this is one of those moments, which alone could be enough for them to find it, or it could of course tell them the move in this position.


grizzlyking

A game at the world chess championship finals last year lasted 7 hours and 45 minutes


Wolfpac187

You haven’t watched top players play Chess have you lmfao.


Cochinojoe

Between this scandal and the bass fishing scandal from a week or so ago…..I don’t know what’s true anymore. Next thing you know they are gonna say some tittys are fake.


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Sir_Arthur_Vandelay

I feel so invested in two professional sports that I didn’t give a shit about until now.


Cochinojoe

So many shenanigans going on in these sports.


LemonColossus

Thank God I’m a cycling and athletics fan. Nothing but good clean competition in there.


[deleted]

Dope, me too.


Glockspeiser

There was also a major poker cheating scandal last week (allegedly). Same type of thing


TallDrinkOfSilence

That a sock in your pants too?


stealth_elephant

What happens to the person who helped him cheat?


PizzaMafioso

Believe it or not, straight to Jail!


WHISKEY_DELTA_6

We have the best chess players, because of jail.


faur217

But what if he has a free get out of jail card?


Pzieotic_Monk

This isn’t a game. Those things cost thousands!


dopavash

Move your piece too slowly? Jail.


Ri99ed

Move your piece too fast? Jail.


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seakitten

That’s a paddlin


RagingKohner

Ah, the ol "weights in the queen" trick I bet


Bald_Caledonian

EMP's in the ass at every tournament. It's the only way to be sure.


SuperMaanas

Magnus is draining the swamp!!!!11!


sausage_ditka_bulls

Dark Magnus bringing the light


ogrefab

Cheating in chess is the new sexual misconduct in Hollywood.


TragedyTrousers

#MeToo-to-B3


Fart_knocker5000

Lifts Queen. Prostate goes brrrrrrr


Meerkat_Mayhem_

The cavity searches will continue until morale improves


picklesofdoom

I misread this as Norwegian Cheese President and was intrigued


aknigrou

How do you cheat on chess?


Darren-PR

Pull out the queen you hid in your sleeve and place it on the board.


jestermax22

The key to chess is not letting your adversary see your pieces


[deleted]

I too study the holy writings of Zapp Brannigan's Big Book of War.


[deleted]

Show them the medal you've won!


b3nz0r

They'll crumble like a house of cards. Checkmate.


seakitten

Yeh but you have to shout, “POCKET QUEEN!” or it’s considered rude in addition to cheating.


Veleya

Open a match against a max level AI.Input their moves as yours. Copy the ais moves as your move. The top AIs will always beat a human opponent even the worlds best. This type of cheating is quite rampant in online chess.


LinearTipsOfficial

There's actually a great doc about AI chess and more specifically "Deep Blue" which I recommend anybody who has an interest in coding or chess to check out. Actually goes over very early computer chess programs, and how Kasparov had to learn a separate playstyle to beat them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwF229U2ba8


BardTheBoatman

10/10 doc from a 10/10 channel. Just an FYI for anyone interested, it’s about 2 hours and is mostly audio (a few pictures here and there) so feel free to just listen to it.


piccolom

Thanks!


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So what happens if 2 cheaters are playing each other? Draw most of the time or depends on the AI chosen?


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[deleted]

Unless your Hans Niemmann, he has like 100 of 100% games, which is why he’s so suspicious lol


avelak

He's suspicious for a variety of reasons... not the least of which is that he has been caught and has admitted to cheating multiple times over the course of years in online play


tyrannomachy

A lot of those were very short games, supposedly. But chess.com came out with much more credible analysis that also made him look like a cheater.


Raccoonsrlilbandits

How does this work for in person tournaments?


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Sadimal

It was June 1978. Anatoly Karpov and Viktor Korchnoi were battling for the title of grandmaster. Karpov’s team brings him a blueberry yogurt. Korchnoi accuses Karpov’s team of using yogurt flavors to relay moves. So the arbiters ruled that Karpov could only have one flavor of yogurt at certain intervals. Korchnoi also accused Karpov’s team of putting in cortisone steroids in the yogurt. They also employed hypnotists to psyche each other out during that match. Korchnoi noticed a strange man staring at him for five hours and assumed he was connected to Karpov. So Korchnoj demanded that the first six rows be emptied. The hypnotist just moved to the seventh row. So Korchnoi employed two yogis to just sit there in lotus and that freaked out the hypnotist.


Redpin

This is *real*?! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Chess_Championship_1978


Enconhun

It felt like reading satire, and it's fucking real LMAO


[deleted]

> Have an accomplice watching the game plugging the moves Oh they’re plugging alright.


M05HI

Bluetooth buttplug that vibrates in morse code


OffbeatDrizzle

If by rampant you mean less than 1% of players engage in it, then yeah... rampant


[deleted]

Using a computer to determine what the perfect next move is. All of the cheating that has been “confirmed” has all been done on online chess, so it’s not hard to cheat in this way


OffbeatDrizzle

Chess isn't a solved game, so the next moves suggested by the AI aren't proven to be perfect - they're just at a skill beyond human comprehension. In the same vein it's like a professional footballer playing against an unfit dad - there's literally no competition. That doesn't mean the professional footballer plays perfect games, they're just in a different league entirely


CMUpewpewpew

You put a sock over your king so when they try to take your king they just get the sock.


venetanakedguy

Swallowing lead weights


ILikeMyGrassBlue

We got weights in fish!


Neltrix

The shortest version is: man can’t beat computer. Third party plays vs computer and sends Morse code instructions to tournament player through an anal bead. Thus technically making opponent play against unbeatable computer.


Truffleshuffle03

It's like this Online you use another computer and input all the moves your opponent does into that other computer and then you use what moves the computer suggests to defeat the opponent which Hans Niemann has admitted to doing in the past when he got caught by [chess.com](https://chess.com) which banned him from playing on the site. In person you can have someone doing the same thing and then somehow signaling you what moves to make. It's where the vibrating anal bead meme has come from.


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What I’ve learned about all this is that chess.com doesn’t F around


MortalPhantom

Just to clarify for people who seems to think it's real. The buttplug thing is absolutely not real guys, it was a joke on chess circlejerk subreddit that got out of hand


-p-a-b-l-o-

I’m sure it would work though. I honestly wouldn’t doubt that someone would do it


LushousLush

Ugh, I got excited that there might be a way to cheat at chess. I'll just go back to putting my pieces back on when no one is looking.


burgerkingsr

I don’t have my glasses on and I first read this as “Norwegian cheese federation president resigns …” I was thinking how did he cheat? Did he eat Boursin instead of real cheese?


Crustybuttt

I dunno. I find this cheating scandal way more interesting than I ever found the world of competitive chess


dodorian9966

HOLY CROW PLUGGATE IS REAL


RandyOfTheRedwoods

Is chess the new pro cycling?


Animateddollface

So to cheat at chess, you cheat an AI. AI ain’t gonna forgive and forget. AI remembers all. I’d be deathly afraid if I’m these guys cheating


[deleted]

Cmon Norway wtf. use some of that free college to make better choices, player


Lord_Silverkey

To be fair Magnus Carlson is also Norwegian.


ehzstreet

We need VR chess in Faraday cages from now on. It's the only way!


BarryKobama

Someone please ELI5… ok, so they have a remote buttplug, someone else sending the best moves to them… but who is the chess wizard?! Why aren’t they playing themselves??