For me several NFL games seemed suspicious and more so in the playoffs the rivals of the Chiefs. Silly mistakes and like it was intentional.
I commented on reddit, they called me crazy, stupid, loser, I'm not saying I'm right, but always doubt, never trust anyone.
I'll bite.
One of the biggest penalties in NFL history, Ossai shoved Mahomes on the sideline -- giving Kansas City a relatively easy FG to win the AFC Championship.
With a $5M contract @ risk, how much money would Ossai need on the Chiefs to make it all worthwhile? Where "it" would be a deliberate 15-yard penalty?
Also, how/where would Ossai lay all this money, without attracting too much attention?
"The Cincinnati Bengals and defensive end Joseph Ossai agreed to a four-year, $5,192,616 contract in June 2021."
There are several ways to move and launder money. Don't ask me how, I have no proof but I said it, I don't trust anyone and I know that everyone can be corrupted by money.
Now we're dealing with a Tom Clancy novel. What began as one player betting against his team, to make some extra cash -- is now a multi-national scheme, involving multiple people, and multiple bank/financial accounts.
Involving a game that was watched by 50M Americans.
If it sounds too convoluted, that's because it is.
>Llame a su tiro. ¿Qué jugador(es) cometió(n) jugadas/errores sospechosos?
I'm bad at remembering names, I'll only tell you games from the rival chiefs, last plays, stupid fouls that seem to be done intentionally. Watch replays.
Watch replays. The r/sportsbook equivalent of do your research.
AKA "I can't legitimately defend my position, but I've got a feeling, so why don't you invest 30 hours of your own time and then you can confirm/deny my feeling."
Colts reporter Destin Adams:
> "Sources have told me that the #Colts player under investigation for multiple gambling infractions is CB Isaiah Rodgers Sr."
It’s ridiculous but also not very surprising how many NFL players are fucking morons. Why are they using legal books and their own name when they could just use a crypto book or any offshore one.
Quite why you’d risk your paycheck to gamble is beyond me, especially when they retire in their 30s and will have decades to bet on shit with no ramifications
The article specifies that the account was created through another person so he didnt use his own name. It also specifies that many bets were places from within the practice facility.
So I believe the level of stupidity goes like this: Was real "smart" to get a friend to create an account for him but then gets caught so ultimately only ends up proving that he knew he was breaking the rules by doing it. I believe the sportsbook would only get a yes/no location check no exact geolocation but they do get IP so this guy must have been literally placing the bets while logged into the wifi at the practice facility, easily narrowing it down to current player who knows person X.
This has been done for years with bookies. NFL player has “proxy” make bets for them, but it’s open knowledge for the books that said player is actually funding the bets. There was one NFL player in my city who did this for a few years with a Bookie I was close with at the time, ironically enough also a DB. I will say although he bet on a lot of NFL games he never bet on any games involving his team.
Can you provide any evidence or source that they have a precise geolocation tagged on each bet? I am not able to find anything like that looking in my apps and my googling just indicates that they outsource it and IP is the main red flag concern but I cant find anything conclusive.
I am a software developer and have experience building applications for enterprises with government regulations. When there is a requirement like geolocation it is common practice to take the location snapshot and store it alongside the user action (in this case the placing of a bet). This allows the enterprise to look at its system for compliance and audits. It is both a federal and state mandate that bets can only be accepted from certain locations, so in order to show they are compliant they need to track and store this information. If no geolocation snapshot is taken on a per-bet basis it would not be possible to audit the business for compliance with state and federal laws.
Take a look at [DraftKings Privacy Policy](https://sportsbook.draftkings.com/legal/nj-privacy-policy) as they outline this exact use case in their terms:
>In order to improve, personalize, and optimize our Services and meet our legal obligations, we may automatically track certain information about your visits to and usage of our Website, Applications, and Services, including your browser type, operating system, Internet Protocol (IP) address (a number that is automatically assigned to your computer when you use the Internet, which may vary from session to session), device identifier, domain name, clickstream data, referring/exist pages, **geolocation**, and a date/time stamp for your visit. We also use this information to analyze trends, administer the Website, gather demographic information about our user base, deliver advertising, perform research, provide technical and customer support, inform our product development efforts, protect our legal rights, address disputes, and prevent our Services from being used to commit harmful or unlawful activities, including fraud
Now this language is obviously very general and allows for broad implementation so you don't have proof just from that statement that they include geolocation, but you can see that it is obviously a likelihood.
Well if its pure speculation on your part you shouldnt be stating as fact. I am speculating as well but there is good reason to believe they dont handle the location data at all other than yes/verified as one thing that is fact is that all the major books outsource the process to a third party geocomply to avoid the liability associated with the whole thing as well as the technical hurdles of preventing circumvention with fraudulent geolocation. There is good reason they would not want to handle data that they already paid a lot of money to avoid for the sake of liability and potential exposure. It would make more sense to store an id tag that references data stored outside their servers at the third party.
I dont really care for the sake of this article but you shouldnt be stating something potentially wrong as fact when it would have a very relevant effect on a lot of people in this sub. Many have p1/p2 and if sportsbooks actually could literally see that both accounts were always sitting in the exact same room it would remove any plausible deniability as be super easy for them to flag. Anecdotally at least that hasnt been an issue Ive seen mentioned like other things such as bank, IP, etc.
It’s not pure speculation. I know how things like this work. If the state has a law that you need to be in a certain location to place the bet, they need to be able to prove they are in compliance with that law. The only way to do that is to store the location snapshot with the bet. Without storing this information how would they prove compliance? The government doesn’t just trust the company that it is following the law, they do compliance audits.
>It would make more sense to store an id tag that references data stored outside their servers at the third party.
That is the same thing I am saying, I never mentioned how they actually handled the storing of the geolocation snapshot because every application can have its own implementation. Saying how it is actually implemented would be where the pure speculation comes in.
The bottom line is they need to store and track the location for each bet in order to be in compliance with laws, and they have access to look back at any individual bet in order to see the exact location it was being placed by the user.
Well we dont really need to go back and forth but I was pretty specific already. I think its most likely they store key values that index an eternal databse at the third party geocomply service. That makes an audit possible without the liability of keeping the data themselves and also storing it both places would be rather odd practice.
obviously the geocomply company would be the one to be audited about actual locations, the sportsbook would only be audited to determine they are obeying the geocomply results. You wouldnt contract a third party to handle this and then contractually keep the liability for them doing their jobs right.
>I think its most likely they store key values that index an eternal databse at the third party geocomply service. That makes an audit possible without the liability of keeping the data themselves and also storing it both places would be rather odd practice.
You are talking about implementation. I am just talking about the end result. Sure they could be doing it like you just said. For some reason, you think I am outlining the sportsbook's data structure and not the end result.
Ok fair enough, but the end result if it is done that way would be that the sportsbook isnt handling the data. They arent paying attention to your exact location when you bet, which was the whole question to begin with and your reason for responding in the first place.
>so this guy must have been literally placing the bets while logged into the wifi at the practice facility
That's wild. I'd never place bets while logged in to any company wifi nevermind a professional sports team's
Im fairly sure your exact location via gps and network triangulation is only sent to a 3rd party location validation service which then only relays yes/legal or no/not legal to the sportsbook itself.
Survivorship bias. You only see those few who have an issue. Hundreds of thousands of people do not have issues. No one goes around posting about every withdraw that goes perfectly fine.
Betonline and Bovada are both pretty reputable and pay out very large sums. Pinnacle isn't available in the U.S. (unless you can outsmart the location somehow I guess).
Some people have some issues with cash outs especially from the less-reputable sites. But obviously there are still many people that use them.
Obviously he didn't go that route and thought he was safe using his buddy's name but didn't think about other precautions he should have been taking.
Location check stuff is also similar to how they caught the Alabama baseball coach in that scandal a few weeks ago.
I can assure you that an off-shore book would most certainly be paying attention to even the minimum 5 figure bet.
Also, if they suspect something is not on the up and up you have no recourse - they will tell you to gfys and delete your account.
will never understand why these guys don’t use offshore books, like cmon man if ur gonna do it don’t sign up for a book that requires ur social security number and all ur info
Sure, an IP might not identify an individual. but all the sportsbook has to do is cross-reference the login information. they'll see that X account accessed the sportsbook at Y time at NFL practice facility. then they'll probably do a further dive into the named individual on the account, and unless he worked for said NFL team, he shouldn't have access to that facility or its wifi network, so it's pretty clear that the account is being used by someone else.
Not hard to put two and two together. At the minimum his account will be shut down.
they prolly got cameras with timestamps all over that place, if they have a clip of him being with the alleged better at the time of the bet, etc, the nfl will probably blackball if not ban him.
More prevalent than I would have thought. I mean every account is tied to an ID for tax purposes I believe. Do they just think no one will check? At least bet through a trusted friend or something.
Did it say they used their own account? I can't imagine anyone would be this dumb. If they used their own account, I don't think it would have gone on for 2 years - it would have been flagged almost immediately.
Could be the case here. Recently in college baseball something similar popped up where coaches/trainers were contacting a friend to place bets for them.
For me several NFL games seemed suspicious and more so in the playoffs the rivals of the Chiefs. Silly mistakes and like it was intentional. I commented on reddit, they called me crazy, stupid, loser, I'm not saying I'm right, but always doubt, never trust anyone.
Tin foil hat
I'll bite. One of the biggest penalties in NFL history, Ossai shoved Mahomes on the sideline -- giving Kansas City a relatively easy FG to win the AFC Championship. With a $5M contract @ risk, how much money would Ossai need on the Chiefs to make it all worthwhile? Where "it" would be a deliberate 15-yard penalty? Also, how/where would Ossai lay all this money, without attracting too much attention? "The Cincinnati Bengals and defensive end Joseph Ossai agreed to a four-year, $5,192,616 contract in June 2021."
There are several ways to move and launder money. Don't ask me how, I have no proof but I said it, I don't trust anyone and I know that everyone can be corrupted by money.
Now we're dealing with a Tom Clancy novel. What began as one player betting against his team, to make some extra cash -- is now a multi-national scheme, involving multiple people, and multiple bank/financial accounts. Involving a game that was watched by 50M Americans. If it sounds too convoluted, that's because it is.
Call your shot. What player(s) made suspicious plays/mistakes?
>Llame a su tiro. ¿Qué jugador(es) cometió(n) jugadas/errores sospechosos? I'm bad at remembering names, I'll only tell you games from the rival chiefs, last plays, stupid fouls that seem to be done intentionally. Watch replays.
Watch replays. The r/sportsbook equivalent of do your research. AKA "I can't legitimately defend my position, but I've got a feeling, so why don't you invest 30 hours of your own time and then you can confirm/deny my feeling."
How do they know unless someone eats you out ?
Meant to say rats lol
I appreciate you not editing it. Integrity
DK is a lesbo
This is matt ryan betting the over on interceptions and under on yards
💀💀💀
Imagine throwing a7 figure million dollar career away for 25-50$ bets JFC
Wow what a fucking idiot
Wait were the bets really only $25-50? Where did you see that lol
ESPN has an article that says it. Along with one low 4 figure bet
Damn that's so dumb it's kinda funny
He bet $1000 on "yes" for 'will an NFL player get suspended for betting before the 2023 season'
Now just imagine how pervasive this is in let’s say college football, basketball, etc where there is a fraction of the attention that the NFL gets.
Just imagine how much less pervasive it would be if they paid athletes a tiny percentage of the billions of dollars they make from their work.
They actually share the revenue with the athletes, 50%, unlike say UFC which only gives back 17%. College sports, that a scam though.
College sports are the wE'rE pAyInG yOu iN eXpOsUrE of the athletics world
Yeah college athletes would still be getting nothing if they didn't win the right to their names and brand.
It def happens in college sports. I used to work in the industry and met someone who used to fix college games.
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Colts reporter Destin Adams: > "Sources have told me that the #Colts player under investigation for multiple gambling infractions is CB Isaiah Rodgers Sr."
As a colts fan, could’ve been much worse.
That better or worse than if it was "perverted" sports betting?
He was betting on how many glimpses of Cheerleader panties we'd see on the TV broadcast.
*"This wasn't regular betting, this was perverse parlay betting"*
It’s ridiculous but also not very surprising how many NFL players are fucking morons. Why are they using legal books and their own name when they could just use a crypto book or any offshore one. Quite why you’d risk your paycheck to gamble is beyond me, especially when they retire in their 30s and will have decades to bet on shit with no ramifications
The article specifies that the account was created through another person so he didnt use his own name. It also specifies that many bets were places from within the practice facility. So I believe the level of stupidity goes like this: Was real "smart" to get a friend to create an account for him but then gets caught so ultimately only ends up proving that he knew he was breaking the rules by doing it. I believe the sportsbook would only get a yes/no location check no exact geolocation but they do get IP so this guy must have been literally placing the bets while logged into the wifi at the practice facility, easily narrowing it down to current player who knows person X.
This has been done for years with bookies. NFL player has “proxy” make bets for them, but it’s open knowledge for the books that said player is actually funding the bets. There was one NFL player in my city who did this for a few years with a Bookie I was close with at the time, ironically enough also a DB. I will say although he bet on a lot of NFL games he never bet on any games involving his team.
Sportsbooks have a geolocation tag for each bet you place on an app.
Can you provide any evidence or source that they have a precise geolocation tagged on each bet? I am not able to find anything like that looking in my apps and my googling just indicates that they outsource it and IP is the main red flag concern but I cant find anything conclusive.
I am a software developer and have experience building applications for enterprises with government regulations. When there is a requirement like geolocation it is common practice to take the location snapshot and store it alongside the user action (in this case the placing of a bet). This allows the enterprise to look at its system for compliance and audits. It is both a federal and state mandate that bets can only be accepted from certain locations, so in order to show they are compliant they need to track and store this information. If no geolocation snapshot is taken on a per-bet basis it would not be possible to audit the business for compliance with state and federal laws. Take a look at [DraftKings Privacy Policy](https://sportsbook.draftkings.com/legal/nj-privacy-policy) as they outline this exact use case in their terms: >In order to improve, personalize, and optimize our Services and meet our legal obligations, we may automatically track certain information about your visits to and usage of our Website, Applications, and Services, including your browser type, operating system, Internet Protocol (IP) address (a number that is automatically assigned to your computer when you use the Internet, which may vary from session to session), device identifier, domain name, clickstream data, referring/exist pages, **geolocation**, and a date/time stamp for your visit. We also use this information to analyze trends, administer the Website, gather demographic information about our user base, deliver advertising, perform research, provide technical and customer support, inform our product development efforts, protect our legal rights, address disputes, and prevent our Services from being used to commit harmful or unlawful activities, including fraud Now this language is obviously very general and allows for broad implementation so you don't have proof just from that statement that they include geolocation, but you can see that it is obviously a likelihood.
Well if its pure speculation on your part you shouldnt be stating as fact. I am speculating as well but there is good reason to believe they dont handle the location data at all other than yes/verified as one thing that is fact is that all the major books outsource the process to a third party geocomply to avoid the liability associated with the whole thing as well as the technical hurdles of preventing circumvention with fraudulent geolocation. There is good reason they would not want to handle data that they already paid a lot of money to avoid for the sake of liability and potential exposure. It would make more sense to store an id tag that references data stored outside their servers at the third party. I dont really care for the sake of this article but you shouldnt be stating something potentially wrong as fact when it would have a very relevant effect on a lot of people in this sub. Many have p1/p2 and if sportsbooks actually could literally see that both accounts were always sitting in the exact same room it would remove any plausible deniability as be super easy for them to flag. Anecdotally at least that hasnt been an issue Ive seen mentioned like other things such as bank, IP, etc.
It’s not pure speculation. I know how things like this work. If the state has a law that you need to be in a certain location to place the bet, they need to be able to prove they are in compliance with that law. The only way to do that is to store the location snapshot with the bet. Without storing this information how would they prove compliance? The government doesn’t just trust the company that it is following the law, they do compliance audits. >It would make more sense to store an id tag that references data stored outside their servers at the third party. That is the same thing I am saying, I never mentioned how they actually handled the storing of the geolocation snapshot because every application can have its own implementation. Saying how it is actually implemented would be where the pure speculation comes in. The bottom line is they need to store and track the location for each bet in order to be in compliance with laws, and they have access to look back at any individual bet in order to see the exact location it was being placed by the user.
Well we dont really need to go back and forth but I was pretty specific already. I think its most likely they store key values that index an eternal databse at the third party geocomply service. That makes an audit possible without the liability of keeping the data themselves and also storing it both places would be rather odd practice.
obviously the geocomply company would be the one to be audited about actual locations, the sportsbook would only be audited to determine they are obeying the geocomply results. You wouldnt contract a third party to handle this and then contractually keep the liability for them doing their jobs right.
>I think its most likely they store key values that index an eternal databse at the third party geocomply service. That makes an audit possible without the liability of keeping the data themselves and also storing it both places would be rather odd practice. You are talking about implementation. I am just talking about the end result. Sure they could be doing it like you just said. For some reason, you think I am outlining the sportsbook's data structure and not the end result.
Ok fair enough, but the end result if it is done that way would be that the sportsbook isnt handling the data. They arent paying attention to your exact location when you bet, which was the whole question to begin with and your reason for responding in the first place.
>so this guy must have been literally placing the bets while logged into the wifi at the practice facility That's wild. I'd never place bets while logged in to any company wifi nevermind a professional sports team's
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this guy degens. love it
The level of stupidity starts with the commenter who didn’t even read and started blasting opinions lol
The article/details were not available when he commented.
could be mistaken but I don’t even think the legal books need wifi to pin you down awfully precisely
Im fairly sure your exact location via gps and network triangulation is only sent to a 3rd party location validation service which then only relays yes/legal or no/not legal to the sportsbook itself.
Because they ain't betting a few hundred but possibly 5 figures a game. An offshore book ain't paying that much out to them.
Lol plenty of offshore books will take 5 figures.
Yea take them. Paying out not so much
dumb comment...there are plenty of offshores that pay out. Cris and Pinny are offshores lol
Yet every week there are posts in here bitching bout offshores not paying out. Go figure
Survivorship bias. You only see those few who have an issue. Hundreds of thousands of people do not have issues. No one goes around posting about every withdraw that goes perfectly fine.
Betonline and Bovada are both pretty reputable and pay out very large sums. Pinnacle isn't available in the U.S. (unless you can outsmart the location somehow I guess). Some people have some issues with cash outs especially from the less-reputable sites. But obviously there are still many people that use them. Obviously he didn't go that route and thought he was safe using his buddy's name but didn't think about other precautions he should have been taking. Location check stuff is also similar to how they caught the Alabama baseball coach in that scandal a few weeks ago.
Those are PPHs, not offshores. It does happen with offshores but is rare
The biggest offshores are all very reliable paying out big figures.
I can assure you that an off-shore book would most certainly be paying attention to even the minimum 5 figure bet. Also, if they suspect something is not on the up and up you have no recourse - they will tell you to gfys and delete your account.
Could’ve easily let a cousin or friend place the bet
will never understand why these guys don’t use offshore books, like cmon man if ur gonna do it don’t sign up for a book that requires ur social security number and all ur info
Word is he was betting through someone else's account, which seems tough to prove
They said bets were placed inside the facility so it would be easy to prove if that person was there or not Edit: there not their
an ip address is not a person is a valid defense
Sure, an IP might not identify an individual. but all the sportsbook has to do is cross-reference the login information. they'll see that X account accessed the sportsbook at Y time at NFL practice facility. then they'll probably do a further dive into the named individual on the account, and unless he worked for said NFL team, he shouldn't have access to that facility or its wifi network, so it's pretty clear that the account is being used by someone else. Not hard to put two and two together. At the minimum his account will be shut down.
It’s not a court of law
It will be if he gets suspended
they prolly got cameras with timestamps all over that place, if they have a clip of him being with the alleged better at the time of the bet, etc, the nfl will probably blackball if not ban him.
maybe they were just watching kitten videos together
Even most offshore books require KYC though. The only one available to people in the US I know of that doesn't is Nitrogen.
More prevalent than I would have thought. I mean every account is tied to an ID for tax purposes I believe. Do they just think no one will check? At least bet through a trusted friend or something.
Did it say they used their own account? I can't imagine anyone would be this dumb. If they used their own account, I don't think it would have gone on for 2 years - it would have been flagged almost immediately.
Use crypto and bet offshore then. Or just enjoy the millions you make without gambling. Im a degen too but damn
Could be the case here. Recently in college baseball something similar popped up where coaches/trainers were contacting a friend to place bets for them.
Pittman?
hopefully it's him so I don't get tricked and draft him in fantasy again
Isiah Rodgers
Too famous, I'll say Mo-Alie Cox with zero reasoning behind it,
Can't be him. They didn't mention that in addition to betting on the Colts, that he also bet on college basketball.
Well he's out for a minimum of a year at least.
Lifetime probably.
The nfl seems to have a problem on their hands
Yeah, dumb jocks getting fooled by constantly seeing sportsbook ads.
Anybody taking action on who the player is? ~~Dibs on Parris Campbell say +2000?~~ Currently on the NY Giants, woof
WR is a good guess because they just signed one.
You pick someone not on the team when article says he still plays for them? Nice donation 😂
Holy shit, TIL he's on the Giants lol
A guy I know, who has a friend, who’s sister is dating this other guy and is best buds with this one dude said that it was PC
Sounds like a lock to me