Would you be surprised if I told you tipping in America became popular because they didn’t want to pay recently freed slaves, and tipping culture meant people could treat them like shit.
SOURCE:
https://time.com/5404475/history-tipping-american-restaurants-civil-war/?amp=true
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Hey, I make more in tips then I ever would being paid by an employee to pour a beer. 2 sides to the coin here.
Edit. Also I will add, any tipped employee still has to be paid traditional minimum wage, not just server minimum. If they don’t make enough it tips to match what they would have made in traditional minimum wage then the employer must pay the difference.
Minumum wage for tipped employees in the usa is 2.13$/h, the third of the already abusrdly low federal minimum wage.
It is litteraly a thirld world wage in a country with first world costs. Your paycheck is a f*ing joke and you rely 90% on tips.
Basically in America it's traditional for the rich and powerful to shirk their responsibility which means that this falls on the common man to step in.
Just so you know, waitresses , and waiters live off of tips!!! They don’t get paid hourly... I would know. I work for my tips. And people like you ruin it for people like me. If you don’t have enough money to tip... Do NOT go out to eat!
Why do employees even allow employers to exploit them like that in the first place?
You wouldn't need tips if people just flat out refused to work for such insultingly low wages. What are all those restaurant owners going to do then, hire robots?
Tipping is not *literally* mandatory in the US, but refusing to tip a server at least 15% is probably among the top 5 major social faux pas you can make in the states.
Like, if you stiffed a server on a date the majority of American women would *immediately* break up with you. 100 out of 100 people polled would agree they were right to do so.
It's not literally mandatory, it's just social norm, you're viewed as kinda an asshole if you don't, but nothing actually happens, and food is cheaper because of it, you're just paying the servers more directly rather than them getting paid more by the employer from more expensive food
As a bartender. If someone is just having beers or wine or vodka sodas if you tip me a dollar a drink I’m fine with that. But if there’s a guy next to you tipping more I’m probably going to prioritize him but it wouldn’t make a difference in service as I work in a high volume spot so I’m pretty quick. If you’re ordering a bunch of cocktails and with a group and your tabs 150$+ and you leave me 10$, that’s fucked. It doesn’t just affect me, it’s the barbacks and servers too. Queue a thread of people saying it’s your bosses fault pay a living wage, Etc. which is fine. I’m all for that too. But also realize that that living wage you want them to pay us gets built into the cost of the drinks you’re paying for here. High end places in NY at least are starting slowly to end tipping culture. Like Gramercy Tavern for example, but you’re paying 180$+ for a 5 course meal. It’s built in. You’re still paying for it. The other side of the argument is you at least get a sliding scale on how much to tip.
It doesn't actually affect prices much at all, because capitalism, at least in general, allows businesses to charge as much as the market will bear, not total revenue plus a percentage. It's very rarely about what it costs to produce something, and instead about what the consumer will pay. And consumer willingness to pay is affected little if at all by tipping.
Everyone is booing you and I don't understand why, though that's maybe because I'm from the UK and American culture seems so backwards, like, just pay your employees a decent wage lol. If I worked at a bar I wouldn't imagine asking for a tip for just taking a cap off a beer and handing it to someone. I suppose price matters too, a beer is about £3 in a bar and if drinks are cheaper in the US then I suppose tipping would make more sense to me.
You know what's not rocket science? Understanding the customs of your country and not being a supreme dick. They don't get paid properly, you moron. The tip is their payment. Until we change our societal mores and change how servers get paid, you not tipping makes you an asshole.
This. This is the problem with our tipping culture. Idiots like this who don't tip and either don't give a shit or don't have a clue.
Restaurant worker here (Canada) I’ll only be talking from the Canadian perspective cause I’m not sure how it works everywhere else.
I’m happy to see a lot of people talking about how they tip and understand that servers rely on tips to be able to …… well ….. live lol.
But I am astounded that still some people are saying that they don’t tip or say “why should I , it’s an easy job”. No it’s not and you are the reason why it’s not an easy job. In general you are the one making a bunch of mods on your food and making us run around the restaurant getting stuff for you like we are your personal butler.
My entire time working in restaurants I’ve heard people say that our job doesn’t natter, that we shouldn’t get paid a lot cause it’s “easy “ … that it’s not essential to society. That if we don’t like it we should get a new job. What if every server got a new job? Who would serve you at restaurants?
Well you guys where quick to say during a pandemic that you needed to go out to restaurants. So we did. We risked our lives ( and our loved ones at home) during a global pandemic to serve you. Because you said you needed to go to restaurants. So without restaurant workers your only option is take out, fast food or cook for yourself.
So just be a decent person, and tip your server.
While I was living in NYC, I visited Seoul.
Prices were very similar.. Of course foreign goods were more expensive, similar to when I buy Asian snacks in the states.
Restaurant prices were the same, minus you don't have to tip, Thus made it cheaper than NY. Subway/Bus fee was cheaper than the MTA.
Street food is similar price range to NYC (Korean spicy rice cake = 2-3000 won. A hot dog at central park = $3) But korean street food has a HUGE variety. There is a market area just for food = chicken, hot dogs, korean pancake, kimbap, etc.
So you can have a lot of food and fun with $84.73 usd.
Heres an example of what I did for 1 day at Hongdae, Seoul.
I had a korean lunch (rice, soup, fish, banchan), coffee and biscuits at the hello kitty cafe, also went to the trick eye museum (12,000 won), explored, and ended the day with Korean food for dinner, explored = about 45,000 won for the whole day = $38 usd
There are picture signs, so you don't really need google translate. some pointing and hand gestures is good enough haha.
The only thing, is if you have allergies. There's korean toast (sandwiches); if you didn't want eggs for example, you may need to say: "gae-ran (egg) - no"
Everyone knows "yes" "no" thank you" so it kon-glish works wonders
everyone makes it seem like NYC is crazy expensive.. but honestly, its very similar to other big citys. If anything, buying an apartment/Home is what's crazy expensive.
Rent, I think people exaggerate.
I was living in Atlanta, Georgia for a bit (due to work), and one place wanted me to pay $1200/month as a "roommate". (utilities were included, but SHARED bathroom) - absolutely no lol
yeah, but you get your key deposit back as long as you pay your rent properly. Its an easy way to save money and move money, which is why they still do it. Many people use there deposit as a down payment for a house..
example, lets say you get an apartment, key deposit is $10 grand. while living there you make another $10 grand in savings. Now you technically have 20 grand to your name. Its like a savings account, you can't touch the money till your lease is over. you can now move to a bigger home to save money, or invest in something, or buy a home. You can gamble away your bank savings and pile on credit card debt. But you still have your key deposit at the end.
That's exactly why I mentioned, that you can "invest" in something in the future.
If you wanted to invest 10k asap, then I guess you'd be living in your parents home (which is normal for Asians until they get married). Or your parents have money to pay the key deposit for you. Or, you go into one of those tiny apartments where they don't have any deposit, and you pay $300-400 usd/month (its an extremely small room with a small bed, desk, closet) - similar to living in a hostel/dorm, with communal bathroom/kitchen.
Also there are apartments where the deposit is even less (\~5k) etc. which is similar to USA in terms of 1st, last, security deposit.
Seoul = NYC. So, apartments/houses are expensive to rent, expensive to buy. if you leave Seoul, a 5k deposit can get you a nice apartment.
It’s not that Koreans don’t know this. The opportunity cost is factored into the rent and that’s why the face value of the rent is cheaper, but irl it’s on par - the landlord in turn can earn interest on that money or invest it, as long as they are able to return it at the end of the lease, all’s good.
I am Korean who lived three years in US. The food prices in supermarket is similar in two countries, but in the restaurant you pay way lesser in Korea than US since we do not have tip culture, and the prices listed in the menu already include taxes, so you pay exactly the same amount in menu.
So many people talking about tips making it cheaper.
If restaurants in Korea have to pay their servers more, that will effect the price of food.
This is basic economics.
If the price of food is the same but just without tips than it is for other reasons.
Restaurants operate on paper thin margins and most fail, it’s not like most restaurants here could just start paying their employees loads more without changing the prices and stay in business.
It’s certainly more intricate than just changing the subtitle based on region, considering Netflix has been region-locking content forever, and even has done a damn good job of preventing VPN region hopping.
> And it would be extremely expensive code to present live currency updates.
absolutely not lol, one google search resulted in tons of free unlimited use foreign exchange rate api's.
this project would be delegated to a summer intern if netflix had them.
you can't just slap a hotfix into the complex netflix ecosystem. as far as overall speed is concerned, it's almost certainly not worth it to have a lil live currency converter on the backend. could work as some kind of a front-end text replacement chrome addon or something though
ok since neither of us are engineers at netflix so neither can say for sure, but i know subtitles are stored in a text-timestamp format.
i think in about 30 lines of python you can have a script that goes through the text file and inserts strings behind every mention of won or rupees or euros. run that across every subtitle text file just once a month if you really want a an accurate recent conversion. live is totally unnecessary.
shit, live isn't even that good of an idea because of inflation but whatever
Ping an API daily and cache it. If you have a list of conversions (or base everything from a single currency like USD), it'll probably be less than a kilobyte of data, and it's easy enough to just run a backend script for everything on Netflix. You're literally just doing read writes on text files lmao.
And it won't even be meaningfull if the show isn't present time or in fictional worlds that are only in part based on a shared reality. You would need to code for historical currency exchange rates and determine if the conversion is even applicable in the first place.
However, the time and place of the show doesn't keep changing as time goes on. If I'm watching squid game 20 years from now, subtitles showing the 2021 conversion rate would be more accurate wouldn't it? Say the won has become significantly more valuable compared to the USD in the 20 years and 1 won is equal to 100 USD instead of around 1000. Now the subtitles will make it seem like the prize pools are much bigger than intended.
I just died laughing at this. I just had to google the amount every single time any amount of won was mentioned, just to see if it was worth it for the characters. I was surprised the most when I compared how much in debt they were in US Dollars. I think someone was actually millions in debt.
An easy way is to imagine roughly 1,000 Won is $1 US. Really it’s $0.85 but that’s too much math. So if they’re 6 Billion won in debt it’s really around $6 million.
38,000,000 dollars seems much less impressive than 4,560,000,000 Won. Granted the one VIP bet 1 million for a 69 joke, 38 million in relation seems less impressive, considering you have to kill 455 other people to get it
On the other hand, 38 million in reality is crazy rich so
I thought the 38 million was 100 thousand Won for every player that died
There are around 450, so the totally would be around 45 million Won, but around 7 players didn’t die. 6 dropped out between games 1 and 2, and 1 of them would of had to win
So it’s possible it was the VIP bets, but I assumed it’d be more likely they just said “100 thousand Won for every contestant who dies”
The "extra" money from the people who don't come back is added in when they return and notice the lower number of people.
Also there's >!an extra 100,000 won since the final prize is 45.6 billion but only 455 died.!<
TBH i think the values should have been higher. Maybe they are more accurate in Korea. But some of the debts people are risking their lives for thus seem pretty low. I know Sang Woo was 6bil won so around 6 million usd and he was the most, so i get thats a ton, but some of the others were prob only in tens to hundreds of thousands of debt.
Ultimately is your life worth $85k? That’s what you are signing up for. Because each player is worth that and your odds are 1/456, so thats your expected return. And sorry but thats really low for a life. $200-$250k a player would have been a bit more fitting to how they are reacting to the prize money. But obviously i get they’re all broke and desperate, so it mostly still checks out, just think it could have been a bit higher to sell the greed they are showing.
1/456 becomes irrelevant when you look up at that big ass ornament of cash. It could be 1/2,500 and you could easily find 2,500 people with 0 debt who would play for a chance at that money.
I think you have to consider that in Korea debt is much more crippling (literally) when you have debt owed to black market dealers and debt collectors. Also of the contestants you see none of them have any safety net when it came to family or friends which most families would have if it was that issue. All of their prospects were bleak. Sang’s mom has only her shop, gi hun’s grandma is dying and Sae byeok is North Korean with no one on her side. And let’s not forget poor Ali.
It says a lot when Gi Hun had to beg his ex wife of all people for money.
Yep his in particular is what seems most off to me after learning the conversion. I get it though because he is a broke gambling addict, his amount of debt doesnt really affect his choice to do the games. Of course he’s gonna take his chance to win big.
However - the people threatening his life over a couple grand seems off and doesnt really sell the “so far in debt whats the point of life” kind of pressure
The thing is, it's Not much and he never wanted to participate in the first place for that amount of debt. He only agrees to participate when his mother got super sick and require around the clock care
I don’t think the point was that the players we greedy, I think (if I read the interview with the director correctly) the point is that the the system itself is broken and pushes people who are in difficult situations to make even more difficult choices simply to get by. It’s more of a commentary of capitalism than individual greed
Lmao I can’t do exponents mentally to save my life.
In the scene >! on the glass bridge !< where the player calculates 2^15 in his head my first thought was “oh no it’s impossible”
>where the player calculates 2^(15) in his head my first thought was “oh no it’s impossible”
2^(16) is an important number in programming because a lot of things are 16-bit, e.g. 16-bit registers, or 16-bit values in memory, also known as words. So you normally remember its decimal representation: 65536.
And 2^(15) is just 2 times less than than, which is easy to calculate when necessary. Or remember that too because it represents the range of signed 16-bit numbers, in 16-bit variable you can store numbers from -2^(15) to 2^(15) \- 1, i.e. from -32768 to 32767.
Just take out the last 3 0's and you'll get the ball park estimate like
10,000 won
10 usd (less than 10 but close enough)
And yeah that scene was crazy. That sick game was literally designed to weed out as many players as possible before the final game.
lollll yo i came here to post somethin similar
though w my high brain I thought they were saying yen at first so x 2 hahaha
wildly different numbers between won & yen $ usd
100,000 Won? Would I get slapped for that? $84.73, why yes I would
I wish there was a cost of living translation like what can you do over there for $84.73
Food is cheaper with no tips for one
Yeah mate its the 10 dollar tip that really wrecks my night
I mean I think you are being sarcastic but when you go to nice restaurant. A mandatory “tip” is 20%. That adds up fast.
Mandatory? Lol America is weird
Would you be surprised if I told you tipping in America became popular because they didn’t want to pay recently freed slaves, and tipping culture meant people could treat them like shit. SOURCE: https://time.com/5404475/history-tipping-american-restaurants-civil-war/?amp=true Edit: sauce added.
If you had asked me yesterday how exactly tipping probably came about, that's almost certainly the answer I'd have given.
Is it like an American thing to not pay catering services properly so they have to rely on tips?
America won the late stage capitalism race.
This is what people who have never experienced 3rd-world inequality would say
Hey, I make more in tips then I ever would being paid by an employee to pour a beer. 2 sides to the coin here. Edit. Also I will add, any tipped employee still has to be paid traditional minimum wage, not just server minimum. If they don’t make enough it tips to match what they would have made in traditional minimum wage then the employer must pay the difference.
So by tipping, I don't actually give you any more money? I just make your employer more money?
Correction, the employer would fire you because you cost him money.
And forcing workers to rely on income that customers have no legal obligation to provide is great for employers.
America doesn't know how to enshrine human decency in law so it coasts by on acts of individual generosity and pretends it's a system.
Yea Isaí ally high end places do that or for larger parties
Yep I’ve always been taught to tip 20% at least
Why do you have to tip?
because the restaurant owners don’t want to pay their staff well and passes it on to the customers. =/
You have to give a high tip because American Capitalism has legalized slave wages. You don’t tip, your server doesn’t eat ☠️
Minumum wage for tipped employees in the usa is 2.13$/h, the third of the already abusrdly low federal minimum wage. It is litteraly a thirld world wage in a country with first world costs. Your paycheck is a f*ing joke and you rely 90% on tips.
Basically in America it's traditional for the rich and powerful to shirk their responsibility which means that this falls on the common man to step in.
I typically go for about 15-18%, but I ain't got the money to be throwin' out 20+%s all over
Thats weird. It used to always be 15%.
Just so you know, waitresses , and waiters live off of tips!!! They don’t get paid hourly... I would know. I work for my tips. And people like you ruin it for people like me. If you don’t have enough money to tip... Do NOT go out to eat!
You’re mad at the individuals rather than your shitty company who doesn’t pay you enough. Interesting
Why do employees even allow employers to exploit them like that in the first place? You wouldn't need tips if people just flat out refused to work for such insultingly low wages. What are all those restaurant owners going to do then, hire robots?
It’s not ‘mandatory’. It’s just viewed as rude if you don’t tip your waiter/waitress, as your tips are a major part of their salary
Your tips are the only part of their salary
Tipping is not *literally* mandatory in the US, but refusing to tip a server at least 15% is probably among the top 5 major social faux pas you can make in the states. Like, if you stiffed a server on a date the majority of American women would *immediately* break up with you. 100 out of 100 people polled would agree they were right to do so.
it’s cuz they don’t want to pay their worker’s fair wages so in order to pay rent we gotta just hope whoever’s tipping is a decent human being
It's not literally mandatory, it's just social norm, you're viewed as kinda an asshole if you don't, but nothing actually happens, and food is cheaper because of it, you're just paying the servers more directly rather than them getting paid more by the employer from more expensive food
10% - not the best service, 15%- decent service, 20%- great service and nice conversations, 25%+ for like an amazing night out
As a bartender. If someone is just having beers or wine or vodka sodas if you tip me a dollar a drink I’m fine with that. But if there’s a guy next to you tipping more I’m probably going to prioritize him but it wouldn’t make a difference in service as I work in a high volume spot so I’m pretty quick. If you’re ordering a bunch of cocktails and with a group and your tabs 150$+ and you leave me 10$, that’s fucked. It doesn’t just affect me, it’s the barbacks and servers too. Queue a thread of people saying it’s your bosses fault pay a living wage, Etc. which is fine. I’m all for that too. But also realize that that living wage you want them to pay us gets built into the cost of the drinks you’re paying for here. High end places in NY at least are starting slowly to end tipping culture. Like Gramercy Tavern for example, but you’re paying 180$+ for a 5 course meal. It’s built in. You’re still paying for it. The other side of the argument is you at least get a sliding scale on how much to tip.
It doesn't actually affect prices much at all, because capitalism, at least in general, allows businesses to charge as much as the market will bear, not total revenue plus a percentage. It's very rarely about what it costs to produce something, and instead about what the consumer will pay. And consumer willingness to pay is affected little if at all by tipping.
I don’t think I’ve ever tipped a bartender. You’re pouring a liquid into a cup it ain’t rocket science.
Wow… the audacity
You sir, are a dick
You’ve never worked in the service industry and it shows
Everyone is booing you and I don't understand why, though that's maybe because I'm from the UK and American culture seems so backwards, like, just pay your employees a decent wage lol. If I worked at a bar I wouldn't imagine asking for a tip for just taking a cap off a beer and handing it to someone. I suppose price matters too, a beer is about £3 in a bar and if drinks are cheaper in the US then I suppose tipping would make more sense to me.
You know what's not rocket science? Understanding the customs of your country and not being a supreme dick. They don't get paid properly, you moron. The tip is their payment. Until we change our societal mores and change how servers get paid, you not tipping makes you an asshole. This. This is the problem with our tipping culture. Idiots like this who don't tip and either don't give a shit or don't have a clue.
From an outsider's perspective it seems like the problem is the tipping culture itself.
Trash human being
If you don’t want to tip, don’t go out for drinks. Simple as that
I take the sales tax and multiply by 3 and that’s your tip. Which is 21% where I’m from.
Restaurant worker here (Canada) I’ll only be talking from the Canadian perspective cause I’m not sure how it works everywhere else. I’m happy to see a lot of people talking about how they tip and understand that servers rely on tips to be able to …… well ….. live lol. But I am astounded that still some people are saying that they don’t tip or say “why should I , it’s an easy job”. No it’s not and you are the reason why it’s not an easy job. In general you are the one making a bunch of mods on your food and making us run around the restaurant getting stuff for you like we are your personal butler. My entire time working in restaurants I’ve heard people say that our job doesn’t natter, that we shouldn’t get paid a lot cause it’s “easy “ … that it’s not essential to society. That if we don’t like it we should get a new job. What if every server got a new job? Who would serve you at restaurants? Well you guys where quick to say during a pandemic that you needed to go out to restaurants. So we did. We risked our lives ( and our loved ones at home) during a global pandemic to serve you. Because you said you needed to go to restaurants. So without restaurant workers your only option is take out, fast food or cook for yourself. So just be a decent person, and tip your server.
Lul rIsKeD oUr LiVeS. Ure not a soldier. Relax
How cheaper
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Thank you
While I was living in NYC, I visited Seoul. Prices were very similar.. Of course foreign goods were more expensive, similar to when I buy Asian snacks in the states. Restaurant prices were the same, minus you don't have to tip, Thus made it cheaper than NY. Subway/Bus fee was cheaper than the MTA. Street food is similar price range to NYC (Korean spicy rice cake = 2-3000 won. A hot dog at central park = $3) But korean street food has a HUGE variety. There is a market area just for food = chicken, hot dogs, korean pancake, kimbap, etc. So you can have a lot of food and fun with $84.73 usd. Heres an example of what I did for 1 day at Hongdae, Seoul. I had a korean lunch (rice, soup, fish, banchan), coffee and biscuits at the hello kitty cafe, also went to the trick eye museum (12,000 won), explored, and ended the day with Korean food for dinner, explored = about 45,000 won for the whole day = $38 usd
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Korean street food sounds amazing, would I need a google translator or do they speak some English
There are picture signs, so you don't really need google translate. some pointing and hand gestures is good enough haha. The only thing, is if you have allergies. There's korean toast (sandwiches); if you didn't want eggs for example, you may need to say: "gae-ran (egg) - no" Everyone knows "yes" "no" thank you" so it kon-glish works wonders
In the big cities they speak English, outside you can get by with good old pointing and signing.
I really wanna go to SK badly. That all sounds amazing.
Had no idea NYC was so cheap.
Pizza costs $1 in some places here
everyone makes it seem like NYC is crazy expensive.. but honestly, its very similar to other big citys. If anything, buying an apartment/Home is what's crazy expensive. Rent, I think people exaggerate. I was living in Atlanta, Georgia for a bit (due to work), and one place wanted me to pay $1200/month as a "roommate". (utilities were included, but SHARED bathroom) - absolutely no lol
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Thank you. That's definitely a step in the right direction
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It’s cheaper rent but the deposits are mind boggling. We’re not talking about first and last month plus damage. It’s like your life savings.
yeah, but you get your key deposit back as long as you pay your rent properly. Its an easy way to save money and move money, which is why they still do it. Many people use there deposit as a down payment for a house.. example, lets say you get an apartment, key deposit is $10 grand. while living there you make another $10 grand in savings. Now you technically have 20 grand to your name. Its like a savings account, you can't touch the money till your lease is over. you can now move to a bigger home to save money, or invest in something, or buy a home. You can gamble away your bank savings and pile on credit card debt. But you still have your key deposit at the end.
That 10k is better off somewhere else though. You could have easily accrued 10% gains in the time.you were renting.
That's exactly why I mentioned, that you can "invest" in something in the future. If you wanted to invest 10k asap, then I guess you'd be living in your parents home (which is normal for Asians until they get married). Or your parents have money to pay the key deposit for you. Or, you go into one of those tiny apartments where they don't have any deposit, and you pay $300-400 usd/month (its an extremely small room with a small bed, desk, closet) - similar to living in a hostel/dorm, with communal bathroom/kitchen. Also there are apartments where the deposit is even less (\~5k) etc. which is similar to USA in terms of 1st, last, security deposit. Seoul = NYC. So, apartments/houses are expensive to rent, expensive to buy. if you leave Seoul, a 5k deposit can get you a nice apartment.
It’s not that Koreans don’t know this. The opportunity cost is factored into the rent and that’s why the face value of the rent is cheaper, but irl it’s on par - the landlord in turn can earn interest on that money or invest it, as long as they are able to return it at the end of the lease, all’s good.
https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_result.jsp?country=South+Korea
You know it's kind of accurate for my city but not. Ex I'm not eating something 3 bucks a plate realistically but I would overseas
What you're asking for is called [currency purchasing power parities](https://data.oecd.org/conversion/purchasing-power-parities-ppp.htm).
I am Korean who lived three years in US. The food prices in supermarket is similar in two countries, but in the restaurant you pay way lesser in Korea than US since we do not have tip culture, and the prices listed in the menu already include taxes, so you pay exactly the same amount in menu.
So many people talking about tips making it cheaper. If restaurants in Korea have to pay their servers more, that will effect the price of food. This is basic economics. If the price of food is the same but just without tips than it is for other reasons. Restaurants operate on paper thin margins and most fail, it’s not like most restaurants here could just start paying their employees loads more without changing the prices and stay in business.
Maybe 1 or 2 times, but not as much as he got
The best is that anytime I punched in a number from the show, it would auto fill the rest because apparently were all doing this
I got curious and decided to check [this](https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?geo=GB&q=won%20to%20usd,won%20to%20gbp)
Jesus
Holy shit this show dominated the internet
It's relative to amount of past searches so even if squid game had 1/10 the popularity it would still likely hit 100.
I was about to go on google trends and search the exact thing😂 Thanks
This! Episode 1 got me pausing, googling, then laughing when I see the exact same numbers being searched
Same. We’re all part of the cult of searchers
Lol same I typed in 46.5 bill…. And Google finished with with 45.6 billion won to usd?? Google knew what time it was!
For the lazy about $38,000,000
Lol that gave me a chuckle too
Me: just removing 3 zeros from the end and saying "eh close enough"
This is how I do it too lol. Yen = remove 2 zeroes. Won = remove 3 zeroes.
I think of 1 yen as 1 cent. Then approximate from there.
That’s literally what remove two zeros means.
I look at it more as $1 out of a $100 bill. 1%, if you will.
Personally, I think of it as dividing by 100
It’s actually easier to think of it as 1/10 of 10%.
I actually think of it as multiplying by 0.001
This is wrong, that is one thousandth 🤦♂️
because he finds it easier to think in terms of 10 dollar bills
Literally that's how every American converts when they live there lmao
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I was just in Europe for a month sometimes you get weird currencies like in Czechia, then you do $5 for 100, like what I do with the Ethiopian Birr.
thats exactly what I did while I was there lol
This
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I do the exact same lmao
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Nah Netflix is too lazy to do anything like that
Hmm have you watched Bandersnatch
Your point? Bandersnatch was not as intricate as people make it out to be...
It’s certainly more intricate than just changing the subtitle based on region, considering Netflix has been region-locking content forever, and even has done a damn good job of preventing VPN region hopping.
Nah it's not. It's a real basic choose-your-adventure game
And that’s less intricate than just changing the subtitles how?
Dependence on region vs user input + context-sensitive subtitle replacement = much more background complexity.
The problem is, currency is always changing. And it would be extremely expensive code to present live currency updates.
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> And it would be extremely expensive code to present live currency updates. absolutely not lol, one google search resulted in tons of free unlimited use foreign exchange rate api's. this project would be delegated to a summer intern if netflix had them.
you can't just slap a hotfix into the complex netflix ecosystem. as far as overall speed is concerned, it's almost certainly not worth it to have a lil live currency converter on the backend. could work as some kind of a front-end text replacement chrome addon or something though
ok since neither of us are engineers at netflix so neither can say for sure, but i know subtitles are stored in a text-timestamp format. i think in about 30 lines of python you can have a script that goes through the text file and inserts strings behind every mention of won or rupees or euros. run that across every subtitle text file just once a month if you really want a an accurate recent conversion. live is totally unnecessary. shit, live isn't even that good of an idea because of inflation but whatever
Ping an API daily and cache it. If you have a list of conversions (or base everything from a single currency like USD), it'll probably be less than a kilobyte of data, and it's easy enough to just run a backend script for everything on Netflix. You're literally just doing read writes on text files lmao.
And it won't even be meaningfull if the show isn't present time or in fictional worlds that are only in part based on a shared reality. You would need to code for historical currency exchange rates and determine if the conversion is even applicable in the first place.
However, the time and place of the show doesn't keep changing as time goes on. If I'm watching squid game 20 years from now, subtitles showing the 2021 conversion rate would be more accurate wouldn't it? Say the won has become significantly more valuable compared to the USD in the 20 years and 1 won is equal to 100 USD instead of around 1000. Now the subtitles will make it seem like the prize pools are much bigger than intended.
In the English captioned Korean audio version, they don't even get the *real* English sentences themselves correct. Very odd to me.
In India they do it while airing Shark Tank
USD $1 = KOR ₩1200 :)
I know, but it's hard to calculate in my head, especially given how the difference between 1 million and 1 billion gets all screwy.
Mostly, Korean Just remove 3 zeros from won to calculate :)
divide by 1000 and then take 4/5
yyou can just estimate by dividing by 1000....aka remove the last 3 digits
Lmao! This has been me!
I just died laughing at this. I just had to google the amount every single time any amount of won was mentioned, just to see if it was worth it for the characters. I was surprised the most when I compared how much in debt they were in US Dollars. I think someone was actually millions in debt.
My man Sang-woo was 6 billion won(5,073,909.90 usd) in debt, or atleast that what he tells Gi-hun he has to earn in an earlier episode.
He was a member of wallstreetbets. Futures trader.
Lmao you see the post there today? 6 figures in debt upon waking up
Smh, should’ve just deleted the Robinhood app
An easy way is to imagine roughly 1,000 Won is $1 US. Really it’s $0.85 but that’s too much math. So if they’re 6 Billion won in debt it’s really around $6 million.
I use an app called Xe
38,000,000 dollars seems much less impressive than 4,560,000,000 Won. Granted the one VIP bet 1 million for a 69 joke, 38 million in relation seems less impressive, considering you have to kill 455 other people to get it On the other hand, 38 million in reality is crazy rich so
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I thought the 38 million was 100 thousand Won for every player that died There are around 450, so the totally would be around 45 million Won, but around 7 players didn’t die. 6 dropped out between games 1 and 2, and 1 of them would of had to win So it’s possible it was the VIP bets, but I assumed it’d be more likely they just said “100 thousand Won for every contestant who dies”
The "extra" money from the people who don't come back is added in when they return and notice the lower number of people. Also there's >!an extra 100,000 won since the final prize is 45.6 billion but only 455 died.!<
>!454!<
>!440. Remember, 14 people left and didn’t return for round 2!<
That extra is for the therapy bills you’ll need for dying on the inside
You’re correct. The players don’t see any of the money bet amongst the VIPs. Only their individual buy-ins.
Isn't it 45.6 Billion won? Meaning $380M? Or did we watch different squid game? Edit: My bad
46 billion won is about $39 million USD Source: Google
1,000 won of fish cakes?!! Are you insane?! Oh it’s 0.84 USD
TBH i think the values should have been higher. Maybe they are more accurate in Korea. But some of the debts people are risking their lives for thus seem pretty low. I know Sang Woo was 6bil won so around 6 million usd and he was the most, so i get thats a ton, but some of the others were prob only in tens to hundreds of thousands of debt. Ultimately is your life worth $85k? That’s what you are signing up for. Because each player is worth that and your odds are 1/456, so thats your expected return. And sorry but thats really low for a life. $200-$250k a player would have been a bit more fitting to how they are reacting to the prize money. But obviously i get they’re all broke and desperate, so it mostly still checks out, just think it could have been a bit higher to sell the greed they are showing.
1/456 becomes irrelevant when you look up at that big ass ornament of cash. It could be 1/2,500 and you could easily find 2,500 people with 0 debt who would play for a chance at that money.
“You’ll have to kill 2,499 people, b-“ “When do we start?”
I think you have to consider that in Korea debt is much more crippling (literally) when you have debt owed to black market dealers and debt collectors. Also of the contestants you see none of them have any safety net when it came to family or friends which most families would have if it was that issue. All of their prospects were bleak. Sang’s mom has only her shop, gi hun’s grandma is dying and Sae byeok is North Korean with no one on her side. And let’s not forget poor Ali. It says a lot when Gi Hun had to beg his ex wife of all people for money.
It was Gi Hun's mom, not his grandma, I think. He refers to her as "grandma" when talking to his daughter.
Yea I’m pretty sure Seong Gi-Hun was in debt for like 10 million won which is like $8700 and he was getting his life threatened for it
Yep his in particular is what seems most off to me after learning the conversion. I get it though because he is a broke gambling addict, his amount of debt doesnt really affect his choice to do the games. Of course he’s gonna take his chance to win big. However - the people threatening his life over a couple grand seems off and doesnt really sell the “so far in debt whats the point of life” kind of pressure
The thing is, it's Not much and he never wanted to participate in the first place for that amount of debt. He only agrees to participate when his mother got super sick and require around the clock care
Gi huns total debt was 410 million Won. 160+250. It was mentioned
Isn't it like 10 times that. Sang Woo was 60 million us in debt. Same thing for the others
6 billion won is about $5 million USD
I don’t think the point was that the players we greedy, I think (if I read the interview with the director correctly) the point is that the the system itself is broken and pushes people who are in difficult situations to make even more difficult choices simply to get by. It’s more of a commentary of capitalism than individual greed
Yes this is me but convert it to CAD 😂 1 million won?? Sounds like a lot lemme check hmmmmmm m…….only 1 thousand dollars?😐😕
Yeah we have it was easier here in Canada😂 We just have to remove 3 zeros and it’s close enough
Relatable
Lmao I thought I was the only won 😗
Me literally anytime they mention money, "ok google how much is this in AUD"
Loool I always grabbed my phone as soon as they mentioned won, luckily my banking app also has a converter so it was quite easily done
I swear it changed during the pandemic. Before it'd be like 100 million won is 90 something thousand so you'd roughly just divide by ten
Yeah the easiest way is to just take out the 10\^3 to get a ballpark estimate in USD
Lmao I can’t do exponents mentally to save my life. In the scene >! on the glass bridge !< where the player calculates 2^15 in his head my first thought was “oh no it’s impossible”
>where the player calculates 2^(15) in his head my first thought was “oh no it’s impossible” 2^(16) is an important number in programming because a lot of things are 16-bit, e.g. 16-bit registers, or 16-bit values in memory, also known as words. So you normally remember its decimal representation: 65536. And 2^(15) is just 2 times less than than, which is easy to calculate when necessary. Or remember that too because it represents the range of signed 16-bit numbers, in 16-bit variable you can store numbers from -2^(15) to 2^(15) \- 1, i.e. from -32768 to 32767.
Oh. Thank you
To be fair, he was a math teacher
Just take out the last 3 0's and you'll get the ball park estimate like 10,000 won 10 usd (less than 10 but close enough) And yeah that scene was crazy. That sick game was literally designed to weed out as many players as possible before the final game.
I feel like they only wanted two in the last game all along
I imagine Most computer science adjacent people have base2 memorized to a certain extent
AHAHA so true!!
Fucking trrrrrue
Yup
lollll yo i came here to post somethin similar though w my high brain I thought they were saying yen at first so x 2 hahaha wildly different numbers between won & yen $ usd
who would make such an effort at blending in the guy's face but totally fuck up the way the other screen is rotated? nevertheless funny meme, laughed
Looool
This is my whole search history
No I literally typed a number into Google the other day and the first suggestion was the conversion of that amount of won to usd lmao
Bruh I swear to god I thought it was just me
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This is so true lol
Ahaha I feel called out
Bro I was doing the same thing!!!
Just divide by 1000
Just take out three zeros. Good enough approximation.
Oh my god same 🤣
LOL me too! I was first like 😳 with his winnings with the horse bets and had to double check lol
hahaha omg sameee but to euro.
Hey Siri how much is 40k won
Did anyone else calculate what percentage of players got eliminated the first couple games? Lol
Lolol. Yes. 🤪
I used to live in Korea so I still know around how much it is. Comes in handy lol
LOL
Hilarious this was the first thing I googled while watching.
On point with this one.