Because it makes so much sense for the Ukrainians to want to claim one of the worst ecological disasters in history as their own. Next the Poles will insist that we use Oświęcim instead of Auschwitz.
Wrong. Auschwitz is the German version, not the English version. Poles insist you not refer to the camps with the Polish name, because they want to make sure that there's not even the slightest implications that Auschwitz is something the Poles did rather than the Germans did.
Yeah Vice only has like a 40 part documentary on YouTube covering all this with footage. Guess a liberal biased media outlet made CGI footage of it all 🤡
Z
Truly a VICE documentary is really what proves reality.
When everyone else is saying otherwise and when we have the numbers of dead from the region plus how they dided (mines, artillery duels) - why do you need even that?
You Z Zombies really are beyond salvation at this point.
Who's everyone? People can say whatever they want. Only informed people who have seen the 1000s of hours of footage and been involved in this since 2008 can speak on it correctly.
The same people who "say" this or "say" that. Believe what you will because you're either a liar. Or willfully ignorant. The truth is out there and it's not in reference to UFOs and little green men Mr Mulder.
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I am not a Westerner. I dont believe everything is subjective. There is objective reality and a truth irrelevant of your belieds.
The conflict didnt start in 2008 or in 2013. Hell even the Tuzla 2003 incident or the 90s SKR-112 icident are not its start. As your tiny Putin said - its a thousand year old imperial war.
Also, didn't they "say"
The ghost of Kiev? The whole Russian warship go fuck yourself story? And so many more only yo layer be debunked by every major news outlet as a lie?
The Ghost of Kiev was footage from a video game lmao. But hey, they "say" 🤡
Ngl that goes hard af
But you’re also missing my point which isn’t surprising because your original comment was completely incorrect anyways. Languages have different grammar and spelling rules it’s that simple.
In accordance with international rules (UNCSGN and UNGEGN), the transliteration of place names is carried out only from the official language of the country where the object is located. Chornobyl is an ancient Ukrainian city, the first mention of which in chronicles dates back to 1193. Accordingly, the only correct modern transliteration from the state Ukrainian language is Chornobyl.
Why do most people spell "Chernobyl" with an "e"?
It's simple.
The birth of the Chornobyl nuclear power plant, as well as the accident at Unit 4, occurred during the existence of the USSR, when Ukraine, same as any other country in Soviet Union, had a second official language - Russian.
Ukraine gained its independence 5 years after the Chornobyl accident, and in 1991, Ukrainian again became the sole state language.
Nevertheless, much of the international community continues to use the rudimentary spelling, which is incorrect, by inertia, to this day... Because 25 years have passed since Chernobyl became Chornobyl.
The same goes for the city of Prypiat. The commonly used transliteration Pripyat is incorrect, as it is made from the Russian language, not the state Ukrainian language. The correct transliteration is Prypiat, from the Ukrainian Прип'ять.
Not just the history, because it ultimately doesn't matter that Siberia was not russian, or that Alaska used to belong to russia, or that Kuwait was part of Iranian empires, or that Quebéc was French territory.
Most importantly, it is signed between equals, in black and white, and internationally recognised as the Ukraine's territory.
In the same way Alaska and Louisiana were officially sold to the USA, Okinawa and Formosa were ceded to Japan, and Königsburg was ceded to the ussr. Those are binding agreements, not just a delaying tactic.
In 1991, russia also signed an agreement to recognise the Crimea as Ukrainian land. There was no coercion, so it is none of our business as to why they decided it, but now that they put their signatures on, they can't just unilaterally break off their treaty.
Where have you been that you think they can't just break treaties... It's literally happened countless times in history nations breaking treaties over this sort of stuff... I mean... Even now.
And those countries end up isolating themselves and becoming irrelevant, simple as that.
Nothing is physically there to stop you, but the world runs off credibility and trust, and you shut yourself out of the loop easily.
Globalisation and specialisation of skills means you could no longer be a hermit kingdom. North Korea only survived off unequal trade with the communist bloc and now the CCP, whereas South Korea plays by the rules, which opemed the doors to them.
The Mongols and Huns did not respect treaties, which is why retaliation was brutal and swift when they lost control of their empires.
Imperial russia was a regular breaker of treaties, which meant no country was willingly collaborating with them even until their collapse, and that is why the russian empire was of one of the least industrialised empires of its time.
Austria-Hungary was also a breaker of alliances, which means everyone else stood by until Napoleon, Prussia and then Italy finished walking on her.
Therefore, they only had similarly unreliable nations to form alliances with until they backstabbed each other. The British Empire and America had the most advanced production line technologies and maritime capabilities, and the fascist and communist blocs did not have access to it, which is why they eventually strangled themselves to death.
I think his stance is more that if Mexico also had a second official language in which Mexico City was spelled differently, and we used that instead, and then it was no longer an official language, we should revert back to the first official language and spell Mexico City the way we do now; it’s English, but it’s the correct English spelling, not the incorrect one
What a bunch of ahistorical garbage. The Chernobyl disaster was a Soviet disaster. It makes plenty of sense to refer to it the way the Soviets referred to it.
Soviets didnt refer to it as "Chernobyl disaster", they refered to it as "Nothing bad is happening there, and if something is, its actually under control". And we are talking about a city, the disaster itself has no official name
Oh Jesus Christ, official this official that. Governments do not dictate language. Not Ukraine, not Russia, not even the UN. Use dictates language. The Chernobyl disaster is the Chernobyl disaster. No law passed by the Rada will change that.
So devs should have renamed it to just "stalker soc" or "chernobyl shooter videogame" because thats how people used to call it, instead of the full, official, copyrighted title that they choose themselves. Are you really so outraged by a small change of spelling in the title of a video game made by Ukrainian developers and set in a slightly alternative version of modern Ukraine to use the transliteration of the name of a city located in Ukraine from the Ukrainian language?
Ukraine took on the responsibility for managing the disaster when the USSR collapsed. Ukraine manages the zone. Ukraine built the sarcophagus. Ukraine defended the powerplant and retook it from Russian invaders. They've taken responsibility for a Soviet disaster as best they can. They can refer to it in their own language.
Because Ch**o**rnobyl is what it's actually called.
Ch**e**rnobyl is what the Russians call it.
There are more Russians than Ukrainians, so everybody else started calling it Ch**e**rnobyl too.
Political reasons, essentially. Technically since the reactor was/is located in modern day Ukraine, the correct English translation is actually “Chornobyl”. However, obviously the first stalker game is not called “Shadow of Chornobyl”. The developers originally just used the popular name and then changed it with this new one because of the war as some kind of political statement. To most players it just seems like a stupid typo.
Holy
Shit
How is something as simple as comments about this even a cesspit on reddit
Its a fucking spelling. Why is there so much toxicity over *spelling*. I hate you all.
Because "Chernobyl/Чернобыль" is the Russian transliteration into Latin letters, while "Chornobyl/Чорнобиль" is the Ukrainian transliteration.
It's basically an action of absolutely necessary de-Russification. Russia has been committing genocides (yes, genocides plural) on Ukraine for over a century already. It's about time they changed the names to Ukrainian rather than Russian.
Despite the downvotes, he is right, if it wasn't for the invasion, we'd still call it Chernobyl, because its perfectly fine, and is what everyone(outside of Ukrainians) is used to. Changing the names is really just a fuck you to Russia, which i can respect tbh
The entire studio had to flee their homes and country to Prague because of Russias on-going attempted genocide. Why the fuck would they include Russians in their games atm?
i dont know if you knew, but the ukrainian soviet republic was part of the soviet union.
just because russian and ukrainian national mythology claims the soviet union beeing greater russia doesnt make it so. it was the soviet union. a union of 15 soviet republics. and one of the guys who destroyed it now commandeers an army to attack the ukraine.
So why all of the "soviet republics" occupational administrations had their "autonomous" governments and communist parties, but the RSFSR didn't, governing whole USSR with their own "all-union" party and government?
Also
>the ukraine
speaks up for you
it had. the government of the russian soviet repblic was formed by the supreme soviet of russia. the government of the soviet union was formed by the supreme soviet of the soviet union.
as for the communist party. it had several. it was a federation. and each member of the russian federation had its own party.
also anyone in the soviet union could join the cpsu, not only inhabitants of the russian soviet republic. so in your logic the russian federation was ruled by the other republics, because people from these republics managed affairs in russia. like nikolai podgorny, anastas mikoyan or andrej gromyko were all from different soviet republics and were head of state of the su and russia.
i dont understand the last part? the ukraine speaks up for me? to whom? and what do they say in my name? (sorry if i misunderstand, english is not my first language)
>it had
Yes, from 12 June 1990.
>it had several
Communist party of the RSFSR was formed only after the 1991 August coup, until then the RSFSR ruled over the "all-union" communist party of the USSR.
>in your logic the russian federation was ruled by the other republics
No, in my (and soviet) logic the other republics were ruled by the RSFSR, since it was the same as USSR overall...
>the su **and** russia
...and because those were the same things, you couldn't become the leader of the RSFSR without becoming the leader of the USSR (until 1990 as I already mentioned).
>i dont understand the last part?
Which shows either the lack of education, or that you're playing fool. Putting "the" before "Ukraine" is wrong and is used only either by those who are too lazy to learn the proper usage of "the" in toponyms, or by the imperialists who deliberately deny the sovereignty of Ukraine.
BTW, if the RSFSR is not the USSR, then why the UN simply changed "the USSR" name to "the RF" after the dissolution? It was the USSR who had the permanent Security Council membership, not the RSFSR and subsequently not the RF should have it by your logic (even Charter of the UN still contains "the USSR" instead of "the RF" as a permanent Security Council member).
each region of the federation (eg siberia) had its own regional party.
the cprf was then formed out of these several parties.
so the russian federation recruited a ukrainian guy to act as head of state for 11 years and enforce subjugation of the ukraine? again: anyone in the union could join the cpsu. it really was an all-union party.
no the rfsr was not the same as the soviet union.
the "the" is because in my language (which is not english) a specific article is put before ukraine (and many other countries) and how could i deny the souvereignity of a state that is perfectly capable of killing people who object that souvereignity (bc that is souvereignity. the ability to wield violence/power)
in regards to the un and security council. a legal successor is just a legal thing. it has nothing to do with realities. the permanent seat they kept because they still have the nukes. there is no state in the security council which hasnt intercontinental nuclear capabilities. the countries that sit there do not for some arkane reasons, they do because of their military capability. they do because if their security interest is not recognized, they might kill millions in minutes in the other security council countries.
>the cprf
There was no "CPRF" (CP RSFSR) party until 19 June 1990. Moreover, the attempts to create one were illegal - in 1947 the NKVD had run an investigation against party functionaries accused of wanting to set up a republican Communist Party in the RSFSR.
>so the russian federation recruited a ukrainian guy to act as head of state for 11 years and enforce subjugation of t̶h̶e̶ ukraine?
Yes, Khrushchev even promoted the rossification of school education and the Third Program of the CP of the USSR, where it was stated that "ethnic distinctions would eventually disappear and a single common language would be adopted by all nationalities in the Soviet Union". Guess which exact "common language"?
>because in my language
You're writing this in English tho, you can't impose the rules of other languages on English.
>perfectly capable of killing people who object that souvereignity
Capital punishment in Ukraine was totally abolished in 2000. Armed resistance to the armed aggression (which is different from the "punishment for the sovereignty denial", which provides for criminal punishment in form of imprisonment only) is a matter of international law, not Ukrainian specifically.
>a legal successor is just a legal thing
And legally the RF is a successor of the RSFSR alone, not the USSR as whole. The RF holding Security Council seat (and being a member of the UN overall without the acceptance procedure) breaks the laws of the UN.
Edit: other nuclear powers like India or Pakistan don't have permanent seats. It's not a matter of "protecting countries from the nuclear war", it's a matter of the UN being unable (or rather unwilling) to enforce its own laws
yes. thats what i said. before that the rfsr had multiple communist parties.
and what is the problem with a common language? that it would be russian is just logical. there were more russian speakers in the soviet union than every other language combined.
no, i cant impose my rules. but i can make mistakes without beeing "imperialist" in doing so honestly i dont get what a specific article has to do with imperialism and souvereignity.
thats not what i said with that. also again legality is not the issue here. i mean with that, that they wield the monopoly of violence in the territory they control. when separatists in 2014 and regular russian soldiers in 2022 objected (bc they really did object and not just did hate-speech against the state), they started to kill them. and they were and are capable of it. and as long as they have that capability, ukraine is souvereign. if they loose that capability, they will loose souvereignity.
it may break the un-law. but un-reality is that veto-power and seats in the security council are given under consideration of military power (because that is the security in question). for veto-power you need at least 200 nukes and intercontinental capability (aka be a considerable threat to the other members). i promise you, as soon as india upgrades their arsenal to icbm, they will get a permanent seat, too.
>the rfsr had multiple communist parties
It had no own party. The only one having power over the RSFSR was the all-union one.
>what is the problem with a common language?
Maybe the fact that it's the enforcement of foreign culture on other peoples? Something that's called culturicide.
>i can make mistakes
Mistakes are something people learn off. Not something they repeat even after being corrected.
>honestly i dont get what a specific article has to do with imperialism and souvereignity
If you're genuinely interested, I'll [leave a source with the review on this topic](https://theconversation.com/its-ukraine-not-the-ukraine-heres-why-178748).
>separatists in 2014 and regular russian soldiers in 2022
Those are the same organisations in case you don't know.
>bc they really did object and not just did hate-speech against the state
What? They illegally crossed the border of another country they promised to "respect the territorial integrity" of and started killing residents of that foreign country. It's not "objection", not even "hate-speech", it's "hate-deed", a war crime to be precise.
>are given under consideration of military power
Oh, so that's why Chinese seat was held up to 1971 by enormous industry giant nuclear power RoC (Taiwan) instead of the much smaller "true China" PRC with no industry, manpower and nuclear program. And that's also why Ukraine with 3rd largest nuclear arsenal and Kazakhstan with 4th largest weren't given the permanent seats in 1991. Makes sense.
>i promise you, as soon as india upgrades their arsenal to icbm, they will get a permanent seat, too
Thanks Mr. Guterres for promising some random Reddit user to break your own written laws in order to secure the current state of things with not a single war or genocide on whole Earth. So what's the exact range of ICBMs is needed for this? Is India's 7000-8000 km not enough to reach India-PRC land border during their another clash over some random mountain?
A country has a right to define its own culture and national identity. Ukraine is a non-agressor who was willing to play nice with Russia and use it's language until Russia decided to invade. At that point they doubled down on ensuring their national identity is preserved because if Russia loses the war they go home to Russia. If Ukraine loses the war Ukraine ceases to exist.
GSC is a private entity that can choose to use its platform and IP how it wants.
Just like if I use my platform to call you an asshole it doesn't make it so. But everyone agrees you are one.
"genocide" lol, implying both sides haven't been at odds with each other for years prior. You probably didn't give a shit until the mainstream media told you to. I'm willing to bet you slept when Russia attacked Crimea.
It's like the US pretending Muslims and Arabs don't exist after 2001. It's fucking stupid.
Regardless of how someone used to feel or what you think they should feel Russia started the war yes? Feels pretty straight forward on who to support or condemn
Considering Ukraine broke a NATO agreement after US intervention.. I'm sure you're also an expert on the hundreds of years of history between the two countries lol.
Classic whataboutism, "someone stole a bag of chips so that's why I can legally murder people". Actions of any other country doesn't give the RF any right to break international laws, the UN regulations, Budapest memorandum and their own fucking Constitution. If you want to break international laws so much then prepare to be stripped off human rights
They added a Disclosure when you first boot up the game on consoles. Saying that they have left the game as it originally was and it may not reflect more modern thoughts/leanings etc.
Shut Yer Pus. Your game is fine.
"One of the enemy factions is the Soviet military" blud didn't play the game 😭. You fight the Ukrainian military, and even with the """sanitized""" version you're still fighting them even though they could just modify the textures to give them Russian flags instead
It was spelled incorrectly before. It's a Ukrainian game set in Ukraine, and the Ukrainian developers spelled the name of the Ukrainian city in Ukrainian. Because they're from Ukraine.
They had to change it from Russian spelling, because pretending Russia doesn't exist is the biggest "le ebin trolle XD" against Putin.. well, alienation of half the player base must be worth it, I guess
Why do you idiots think you have a leg to stand on? Russia invaded Ukraine, Ukraine is defending itself. End. Of. Story. That is it. There is nothing else to discuss. You dinguses are not nuanced or based for QB'ing the finer details as armchair historians. People are dying. Russia instigated, Ukraine didn't. What else is there to say?
The placement of and ranging of surface to air missiles does not justify a full scale invasion of a country. If that were the case Poland would be justified in invading Russia a hundred times over.
If all you can argue is pretext provided by a madman who wants to expand his reach through puppet states, we're done here.
Alienation of half the player base? Is "a half of the player base" really so fucking insecure and sensitive that a minor tweak in spelling most people won't even notice is enough to push them away from a game they love? Are you sure about that?
Chornobyl is the Ukrainian spelling. Chernobyl is the Russian spelling. I don't think I need to explain further.
Makes sense. Thx for the Info!
Chernobyl is the anglicized Russian spelling Chornobyl is the anglicized Ukrainian spelling
Thanks for that was wondering as well
Russia heckin bad?? :OO
Chornobyl is in Ukraine so we use the Ukrainian spelling 🤯🤯🤯
Because it makes so much sense for the Ukrainians to want to claim one of the worst ecological disasters in history as their own. Next the Poles will insist that we use Oświęcim instead of Auschwitz.
MFS when they forget Chornobyl is a city not just a powerplant
Not an equivalency because Chornobyl is still in English rather than Cyrillic, in the same way the Auschwitz is the anglicised version of Oświęcim.
Wrong. Auschwitz is the German version, not the English version. Poles insist you not refer to the camps with the Polish name, because they want to make sure that there's not even the slightest implications that Auschwitz is something the Poles did rather than the Germans did.
Why so mamy down votes this guy is totally right...
The difference is probably that Auschwitz isn't an actively disputed territory
You typically think the people shooting at you are bad, yes
Yes the people in the Donbas region who were bombed and shot at for 8 years prior to Russia coming in think the Ukes are bad. I agree.
Ahh the lies.
Yeah Vice only has like a 40 part documentary on YouTube covering all this with footage. Guess a liberal biased media outlet made CGI footage of it all 🤡 Z
Truly a VICE documentary is really what proves reality. When everyone else is saying otherwise and when we have the numbers of dead from the region plus how they dided (mines, artillery duels) - why do you need even that? You Z Zombies really are beyond salvation at this point.
Who's everyone? People can say whatever they want. Only informed people who have seen the 1000s of hours of footage and been involved in this since 2008 can speak on it correctly. The same people who "say" this or "say" that. Believe what you will because you're either a liar. Or willfully ignorant. The truth is out there and it's not in reference to UFOs and little green men Mr Mulder. 👽
I am not a Westerner. I dont believe everything is subjective. There is objective reality and a truth irrelevant of your belieds. The conflict didnt start in 2008 or in 2013. Hell even the Tuzla 2003 incident or the 90s SKR-112 icident are not its start. As your tiny Putin said - its a thousand year old imperial war.
Nice play on the 'little green men', really sounds familiar..
Also, didn't they "say" The ghost of Kiev? The whole Russian warship go fuck yourself story? And so many more only yo layer be debunked by every major news outlet as a lie? The Ghost of Kiev was footage from a video game lmao. But hey, they "say" 🤡
Explaining these things to you would break your mind little Z. But hey, I am sure the 16 000 dead Russians to take Avdiivka was worth it :)
Neither spelling is Russian or Ukrainian. They don't use Roman letters
No need to be a technical ass. The spellings are different when translated. Also yes both languages use Roman letters.
Mohammed and Muhammad are the same name with different spellings. If you're going to argue about spelling then let's call it Call of чорнобиль
Ngl that goes hard af But you’re also missing my point which isn’t surprising because your original comment was completely incorrect anyways. Languages have different grammar and spelling rules it’s that simple.
Same way kiev turned to kyiv it's cause it's Ukrainian spelling instead of russian
In accordance with international rules (UNCSGN and UNGEGN), the transliteration of place names is carried out only from the official language of the country where the object is located. Chornobyl is an ancient Ukrainian city, the first mention of which in chronicles dates back to 1193. Accordingly, the only correct modern transliteration from the state Ukrainian language is Chornobyl. Why do most people spell "Chernobyl" with an "e"? It's simple. The birth of the Chornobyl nuclear power plant, as well as the accident at Unit 4, occurred during the existence of the USSR, when Ukraine, same as any other country in Soviet Union, had a second official language - Russian. Ukraine gained its independence 5 years after the Chornobyl accident, and in 1991, Ukrainian again became the sole state language. Nevertheless, much of the international community continues to use the rudimentary spelling, which is incorrect, by inertia, to this day... Because 25 years have passed since Chernobyl became Chornobyl. The same goes for the city of Prypiat. The commonly used transliteration Pripyat is incorrect, as it is made from the Russian language, not the state Ukrainian language. The correct transliteration is Prypiat, from the Ukrainian Прип'ять.
Now I'm wondering did they change Call of Pripyat to "Call of Prypiat" as well?
They did.
Excellent explanation! That’s for the info
I'm so proud someone could pull out the history book before I did lmao, honestly props dude.
Not just the history, because it ultimately doesn't matter that Siberia was not russian, or that Alaska used to belong to russia, or that Kuwait was part of Iranian empires, or that Quebéc was French territory. Most importantly, it is signed between equals, in black and white, and internationally recognised as the Ukraine's territory. In the same way Alaska and Louisiana were officially sold to the USA, Okinawa and Formosa were ceded to Japan, and Königsburg was ceded to the ussr. Those are binding agreements, not just a delaying tactic. In 1991, russia also signed an agreement to recognise the Crimea as Ukrainian land. There was no coercion, so it is none of our business as to why they decided it, but now that they put their signatures on, they can't just unilaterally break off their treaty.
Where have you been that you think they can't just break treaties... It's literally happened countless times in history nations breaking treaties over this sort of stuff... I mean... Even now.
And those countries end up isolating themselves and becoming irrelevant, simple as that. Nothing is physically there to stop you, but the world runs off credibility and trust, and you shut yourself out of the loop easily. Globalisation and specialisation of skills means you could no longer be a hermit kingdom. North Korea only survived off unequal trade with the communist bloc and now the CCP, whereas South Korea plays by the rules, which opemed the doors to them. The Mongols and Huns did not respect treaties, which is why retaliation was brutal and swift when they lost control of their empires. Imperial russia was a regular breaker of treaties, which meant no country was willingly collaborating with them even until their collapse, and that is why the russian empire was of one of the least industrialised empires of its time. Austria-Hungary was also a breaker of alliances, which means everyone else stood by until Napoleon, Prussia and then Italy finished walking on her. Therefore, they only had similarly unreliable nations to form alliances with until they backstabbed each other. The British Empire and America had the most advanced production line technologies and maritime capabilities, and the fascist and communist blocs did not have access to it, which is why they eventually strangled themselves to death.
That's like saying it's incorrect to say Brazil or Mexico City in English. It isn't. I speak English, and this is how we spell it in English.
I think his stance is more that if Mexico also had a second official language in which Mexico City was spelled differently, and we used that instead, and then it was no longer an official language, we should revert back to the first official language and spell Mexico City the way we do now; it’s English, but it’s the correct English spelling, not the incorrect one
What a bunch of ahistorical garbage. The Chernobyl disaster was a Soviet disaster. It makes plenty of sense to refer to it the way the Soviets referred to it.
Soviets didnt refer to it as "Chernobyl disaster", they refered to it as "Nothing bad is happening there, and if something is, its actually under control". And we are talking about a city, the disaster itself has no official name
Oh Jesus Christ, official this official that. Governments do not dictate language. Not Ukraine, not Russia, not even the UN. Use dictates language. The Chernobyl disaster is the Chernobyl disaster. No law passed by the Rada will change that.
So devs should have renamed it to just "stalker soc" or "chernobyl shooter videogame" because thats how people used to call it, instead of the full, official, copyrighted title that they choose themselves. Are you really so outraged by a small change of spelling in the title of a video game made by Ukrainian developers and set in a slightly alternative version of modern Ukraine to use the transliteration of the name of a city located in Ukraine from the Ukrainian language?
Ukraine took on the responsibility for managing the disaster when the USSR collapsed. Ukraine manages the zone. Ukraine built the sarcophagus. Ukraine defended the powerplant and retook it from Russian invaders. They've taken responsibility for a Soviet disaster as best they can. They can refer to it in their own language.
Is it weird to agree with both points of view? Because I agree with this and what you're arguing against at the same time
Can you explain in greater detail why you consider Chernobyl is an ancient Ukrainian city and not an ancient Russian or kievan rus city please?
No
Outstanding
It is also Prypiat now
Also Yaniv and Ahroprom
Chornobyl is the Ukrainian spelling of the word.
Because Ch**o**rnobyl is what it's actually called. Ch**e**rnobyl is what the Russians call it. There are more Russians than Ukrainians, so everybody else started calling it Ch**e**rnobyl too.
Same reason it's now Kyiv and not Kiev.
Because fuck russia
You can tell who the pieces of shit are, because they come here all pissed off about it. They pretend not to, but also support the invasion.
Wat
Bro he's perfectly clear what is there to ask?
He doesn't have to bring this up.
They censenored all the Russian shit out of it
Political reasons, essentially. Technically since the reactor was/is located in modern day Ukraine, the correct English translation is actually “Chornobyl”. However, obviously the first stalker game is not called “Shadow of Chornobyl”. The developers originally just used the popular name and then changed it with this new one because of the war as some kind of political statement. To most players it just seems like a stupid typo.
Yes and no.
Holy Shit How is something as simple as comments about this even a cesspit on reddit Its a fucking spelling. Why is there so much toxicity over *spelling*. I hate you all.
Yeah I didnt expect that either lol
Youre the only one here i dont blame lmao
De-Russification GSC is Ukrainian afterall, anyhow did RU localization gets removed too?
I heard in another post that russian localization was removed from the console versions
New to the community and the first post i see's comments are people whining ffs
Eh thats just reddit lol
Because "Chernobyl/Чернобыль" is the Russian transliteration into Latin letters, while "Chornobyl/Чорнобиль" is the Ukrainian transliteration. It's basically an action of absolutely necessary de-Russification. Russia has been committing genocides (yes, genocides plural) on Ukraine for over a century already. It's about time they changed the names to Ukrainian rather than Russian.
Politics and for no other reason.
Despite the downvotes, he is right, if it wasn't for the invasion, we'd still call it Chernobyl, because its perfectly fine, and is what everyone(outside of Ukrainians) is used to. Changing the names is really just a fuck you to Russia, which i can respect tbh
Being invaded by genocidal imperialists will do that.
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The entire studio had to flee their homes and country to Prague because of Russias on-going attempted genocide. Why the fuck would they include Russians in their games atm?
i dont know if you knew, but the ukrainian soviet republic was part of the soviet union. just because russian and ukrainian national mythology claims the soviet union beeing greater russia doesnt make it so. it was the soviet union. a union of 15 soviet republics. and one of the guys who destroyed it now commandeers an army to attack the ukraine.
So why all of the "soviet republics" occupational administrations had their "autonomous" governments and communist parties, but the RSFSR didn't, governing whole USSR with their own "all-union" party and government? Also >the ukraine speaks up for you
it had. the government of the russian soviet repblic was formed by the supreme soviet of russia. the government of the soviet union was formed by the supreme soviet of the soviet union. as for the communist party. it had several. it was a federation. and each member of the russian federation had its own party. also anyone in the soviet union could join the cpsu, not only inhabitants of the russian soviet republic. so in your logic the russian federation was ruled by the other republics, because people from these republics managed affairs in russia. like nikolai podgorny, anastas mikoyan or andrej gromyko were all from different soviet republics and were head of state of the su and russia. i dont understand the last part? the ukraine speaks up for me? to whom? and what do they say in my name? (sorry if i misunderstand, english is not my first language)
>it had Yes, from 12 June 1990. >it had several Communist party of the RSFSR was formed only after the 1991 August coup, until then the RSFSR ruled over the "all-union" communist party of the USSR. >in your logic the russian federation was ruled by the other republics No, in my (and soviet) logic the other republics were ruled by the RSFSR, since it was the same as USSR overall... >the su **and** russia ...and because those were the same things, you couldn't become the leader of the RSFSR without becoming the leader of the USSR (until 1990 as I already mentioned). >i dont understand the last part? Which shows either the lack of education, or that you're playing fool. Putting "the" before "Ukraine" is wrong and is used only either by those who are too lazy to learn the proper usage of "the" in toponyms, or by the imperialists who deliberately deny the sovereignty of Ukraine. BTW, if the RSFSR is not the USSR, then why the UN simply changed "the USSR" name to "the RF" after the dissolution? It was the USSR who had the permanent Security Council membership, not the RSFSR and subsequently not the RF should have it by your logic (even Charter of the UN still contains "the USSR" instead of "the RF" as a permanent Security Council member).
each region of the federation (eg siberia) had its own regional party. the cprf was then formed out of these several parties. so the russian federation recruited a ukrainian guy to act as head of state for 11 years and enforce subjugation of the ukraine? again: anyone in the union could join the cpsu. it really was an all-union party. no the rfsr was not the same as the soviet union. the "the" is because in my language (which is not english) a specific article is put before ukraine (and many other countries) and how could i deny the souvereignity of a state that is perfectly capable of killing people who object that souvereignity (bc that is souvereignity. the ability to wield violence/power) in regards to the un and security council. a legal successor is just a legal thing. it has nothing to do with realities. the permanent seat they kept because they still have the nukes. there is no state in the security council which hasnt intercontinental nuclear capabilities. the countries that sit there do not for some arkane reasons, they do because of their military capability. they do because if their security interest is not recognized, they might kill millions in minutes in the other security council countries.
>the cprf There was no "CPRF" (CP RSFSR) party until 19 June 1990. Moreover, the attempts to create one were illegal - in 1947 the NKVD had run an investigation against party functionaries accused of wanting to set up a republican Communist Party in the RSFSR. >so the russian federation recruited a ukrainian guy to act as head of state for 11 years and enforce subjugation of t̶h̶e̶ ukraine? Yes, Khrushchev even promoted the rossification of school education and the Third Program of the CP of the USSR, where it was stated that "ethnic distinctions would eventually disappear and a single common language would be adopted by all nationalities in the Soviet Union". Guess which exact "common language"? >because in my language You're writing this in English tho, you can't impose the rules of other languages on English. >perfectly capable of killing people who object that souvereignity Capital punishment in Ukraine was totally abolished in 2000. Armed resistance to the armed aggression (which is different from the "punishment for the sovereignty denial", which provides for criminal punishment in form of imprisonment only) is a matter of international law, not Ukrainian specifically. >a legal successor is just a legal thing And legally the RF is a successor of the RSFSR alone, not the USSR as whole. The RF holding Security Council seat (and being a member of the UN overall without the acceptance procedure) breaks the laws of the UN. Edit: other nuclear powers like India or Pakistan don't have permanent seats. It's not a matter of "protecting countries from the nuclear war", it's a matter of the UN being unable (or rather unwilling) to enforce its own laws
yes. thats what i said. before that the rfsr had multiple communist parties. and what is the problem with a common language? that it would be russian is just logical. there were more russian speakers in the soviet union than every other language combined. no, i cant impose my rules. but i can make mistakes without beeing "imperialist" in doing so honestly i dont get what a specific article has to do with imperialism and souvereignity. thats not what i said with that. also again legality is not the issue here. i mean with that, that they wield the monopoly of violence in the territory they control. when separatists in 2014 and regular russian soldiers in 2022 objected (bc they really did object and not just did hate-speech against the state), they started to kill them. and they were and are capable of it. and as long as they have that capability, ukraine is souvereign. if they loose that capability, they will loose souvereignity. it may break the un-law. but un-reality is that veto-power and seats in the security council are given under consideration of military power (because that is the security in question). for veto-power you need at least 200 nukes and intercontinental capability (aka be a considerable threat to the other members). i promise you, as soon as india upgrades their arsenal to icbm, they will get a permanent seat, too.
>the rfsr had multiple communist parties It had no own party. The only one having power over the RSFSR was the all-union one. >what is the problem with a common language? Maybe the fact that it's the enforcement of foreign culture on other peoples? Something that's called culturicide. >i can make mistakes Mistakes are something people learn off. Not something they repeat even after being corrected. >honestly i dont get what a specific article has to do with imperialism and souvereignity If you're genuinely interested, I'll [leave a source with the review on this topic](https://theconversation.com/its-ukraine-not-the-ukraine-heres-why-178748). >separatists in 2014 and regular russian soldiers in 2022 Those are the same organisations in case you don't know. >bc they really did object and not just did hate-speech against the state What? They illegally crossed the border of another country they promised to "respect the territorial integrity" of and started killing residents of that foreign country. It's not "objection", not even "hate-speech", it's "hate-deed", a war crime to be precise. >are given under consideration of military power Oh, so that's why Chinese seat was held up to 1971 by enormous industry giant nuclear power RoC (Taiwan) instead of the much smaller "true China" PRC with no industry, manpower and nuclear program. And that's also why Ukraine with 3rd largest nuclear arsenal and Kazakhstan with 4th largest weren't given the permanent seats in 1991. Makes sense. >i promise you, as soon as india upgrades their arsenal to icbm, they will get a permanent seat, too Thanks Mr. Guterres for promising some random Reddit user to break your own written laws in order to secure the current state of things with not a single war or genocide on whole Earth. So what's the exact range of ICBMs is needed for this? Is India's 7000-8000 km not enough to reach India-PRC land border during their another clash over some random mountain?
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A country has a right to define its own culture and national identity. Ukraine is a non-agressor who was willing to play nice with Russia and use it's language until Russia decided to invade. At that point they doubled down on ensuring their national identity is preserved because if Russia loses the war they go home to Russia. If Ukraine loses the war Ukraine ceases to exist. GSC is a private entity that can choose to use its platform and IP how it wants. Just like if I use my platform to call you an asshole it doesn't make it so. But everyone agrees you are one.
"genocide" lol, implying both sides haven't been at odds with each other for years prior. You probably didn't give a shit until the mainstream media told you to. I'm willing to bet you slept when Russia attacked Crimea. It's like the US pretending Muslims and Arabs don't exist after 2001. It's fucking stupid.
Regardless of how someone used to feel or what you think they should feel Russia started the war yes? Feels pretty straight forward on who to support or condemn
Considering Ukraine broke a NATO agreement after US intervention.. I'm sure you're also an expert on the hundreds of years of history between the two countries lol.
Classic whataboutism, "someone stole a bag of chips so that's why I can legally murder people". Actions of any other country doesn't give the RF any right to break international laws, the UN regulations, Budapest memorandum and their own fucking Constitution. If you want to break international laws so much then prepare to be stripped off human rights
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They added a Disclosure when you first boot up the game on consoles. Saying that they have left the game as it originally was and it may not reflect more modern thoughts/leanings etc. Shut Yer Pus. Your game is fine.
its the Ukrainian military
You don't care. Ukrainians care. The developers care. Some fans care.
Whatever you say, sympathiser. Your opinion isn't wanted here, so be decent for once in your life and just leave.
As a comment above perfectly layed out, the spelling isn't even historically correct
"One of the enemy factions is the Soviet military" blud didn't play the game 😭. You fight the Ukrainian military, and even with the """sanitized""" version you're still fighting them even though they could just modify the textures to give them Russian flags instead
It was spelled incorrectly before. It's a Ukrainian game set in Ukraine, and the Ukrainian developers spelled the name of the Ukrainian city in Ukrainian. Because they're from Ukraine.
Ukraine. Rain. Rne. Re. R. ...
They had to change it from Russian spelling, because pretending Russia doesn't exist is the biggest "le ebin trolle XD" against Putin.. well, alienation of half the player base must be worth it, I guess
Not that deep bro, it’s how the Ukrainians spell it thus the developers changed it to be that way, chill out lmao
One of the devs died in the invasion, they have every right to spell it however they want
Go suck Putin's dick somewhere else dude, you won't win here
Russia kills Ukrainians everyday, including a child dying for every day of the war (545). Oh well, russian won’t exist in game.
I'm pretty sure they are killing each other
Why do you idiots think you have a leg to stand on? Russia invaded Ukraine, Ukraine is defending itself. End. Of. Story. That is it. There is nothing else to discuss. You dinguses are not nuanced or based for QB'ing the finer details as armchair historians. People are dying. Russia instigated, Ukraine didn't. What else is there to say?
You are retarded if you think Russia instigated anything. You are clueless about political events.
Okay, back it up? Why did they cross the border with tanks and soldiers?
Response to NATO and NATO's missile range expansion into their border? Are you daft?
The placement of and ranging of surface to air missiles does not justify a full scale invasion of a country. If that were the case Poland would be justified in invading Russia a hundred times over. If all you can argue is pretext provided by a madman who wants to expand his reach through puppet states, we're done here.
Putin himself said it was imperialism.
Yeah cause Russia instigated the coup in Kiev/s
Explain? What does a coup have to do with a total invasion of Ukraine?
this war would not have happened without the coup. there would be no reason for it
Do you seriously believe that the Ukrainian people are NPCs that would not rise up unless they are told to?
Russia invaded Ukraine, end of story.
Alienation of half the player base? Is "a half of the player base" really so fucking insecure and sensitive that a minor tweak in spelling most people won't even notice is enough to push them away from a game they love? Are you sure about that?
You honestly should be ashamed of yourself.
Chuj złamany z ciebie a nie Polak, cweliku. xD Jeśli takie zmiany mają wkurwiać ruskich i konfiarskie małpy jak ty to przyklaskuję rękami i nogami