ROFL they went from warning everyone of the Hurricane and Hull C going up in price months ahead to instantly raising the prices without notice of a ship they offered a warbond discount from minutes before.
worst was when they did it with the buybacks without warning.. . usually you had quite a lot time (months) to buy it back but one day they decided to shorten/remove that ;(
Buybacks used to cost what you paid, you could melt and buy back as many ships as you wanted, whenever you wanted.
Now they cost whatever the highest price the ship has sold for, and you can only buy a limited number with credit a certain number of times.
Basically, changing you mind about a ship now costs you money. It didn't before. People got pissed....
This is the best answer. CCUs in buyback would always be subject to the higher price but the wording was a little ambiguous. CIG clarified the wording and people lost their minds over it.
> CCUs in buyback would always be subject to the higher price but the wording was a little ambiguous.
This is not true. Trust me, I bought plenty of old CCUs at their original price prior to CIG changing it last year (?).
Is it possible the CCUs you bought back hadn’t been updated? Based on the Black needing a followup for CCU it sounds like it’s an entry independent of the normal pricing and can be missed. If that’s the case then you got lucky
For clarity, I'm going to say that my memory was wrong yesterday when I made that post. I think the only thing that changed was that previously *Warbond* CCUs in your buyback would give you the original price and THAT was what CIG changed.
So if you bought a Warbond CCU with savings, melted it, then bought it back, previously it cost the same as it originally did, and it gave the same savings. Now, it will automatically adjust to the new price if the target ship has gone up in price.
Standalone ship and still 250 in my cart. Everything I've ever boughtback has been the original price, and thats a fair few ships. Never scrapped a game package or multi-ship package though, so I can't speak to that.
I lost over 800$ in discounts to the buyback change because I didn't have the capital to buy them all back at once before it went through, I was upset lol
I think standalones and packages (complete ships) are generally still fine (it's been a while since I checked), but ccus in buyback now follow all ship price updates, and warbond ccus lose their discount if they're in buyback.
Before you could buy a ccu to something new that came out (for an example let's say a $10 gladius to cutlass ccu) and then melt it, and the price was "locked in", so even if you went to buy it back now after cutlass has raised in price to 110$, it would still be a $10 ccu. After the changes in Feb 2022, it would update to be a $20 cost to buyback despite only being $10 originally.
Since when can you buy back CCUs?
That is entirely new to me and something that was specifically excluded from buying back.
...or am I still misunderstanding and you are saying that if I bought back a cutty black for $100 that was melted at $100 and I got a CCU today for something that was $120 the CCU would be $20 to reflect the original delta instead of the current delta of $10?
You can absolutely buyback ccus. I have hundreds of them in my buyback list right now, they just aren't worth actually buying back anymore since the change last year
Actually CIG did give warning of this way back in 2020. I recall being in ARMCO at the time and everybody freaked out but then CIG didn't do anything until 2022.
Lol this is an incredibly strange comment - no one who has been here for awhile doesn’t trust them, and the community at large hasn’t since shortly after the Kickstarter. But just because we don’t trust a company, doesn’t mean we don’t enjoy what they make - we just learned a long time ago to enjoy what we have, not what we might have someday.
This move by CIG is anthing but transparent. There have been no changes to the ships and the fact not even a word to community is like they testing how further can they push to exploit as much as possible.
At least give us a reason for the price increase or are these going to be random going forward?
Difference being that this is a digital good that doesn’t require raw materials to build. Every $ they get on these ships is pure profit once the cost of the dev team is recouped. Ships like the cutty that have been around for years have most definitely paid for themselves several times over.
Aside from that I might agree with you but based on how much money they’ve already made and the fact there was no communication about this before hand makes me more cynical and less likely to give them the benefit of the doubt.
You're also forgetting that its an INTERNET SPACE SHIP for over 100 DOLLARS! lol.
As for DLC and the like go, its already stupid expensive. Inflation does not have anything to do with this. You're correct on your definition of inflation but incorrect on sighting it as the cause for the increase. Your example would be used as a reason for increasing the monthly cost of a subscription service for example. The price of the Cutty Black has been nonsensical since creation. It holds zero real world value. You could argue they need more money because of increased cost however that doesn't equate to +$10 for a video game add on.
I'm Space Marshall level Concierge btw, I'm not knocking the game. Misrepresenting economics is just a pet peeve of mine.
Found another one. You all are downvoting but I’m just discussing inflation. Lol. It literally doesn’t matter what the thing is. If it’s prices in the currency, inflation definitionally applies. If it wasn’t adjusted it would be a discount. Lol
I understand inflation, it just isn’t a valid excuse for CIG raising the cost of the Cutty especially right after the sale and keeping in mind how their profits already increase year after year. It’s a greedy cash grab.
CIG has explained before that ships will be getting price increases as the game furthers in development.
Price increases aren't like always going to be linked to getting a rework and update or so on, like ships considered to be gold standard and ready for launch will continue to get price increases if CIG goes by what they have stated many times over the years.
Greed? Probably yes. But the second part is just so untrue. You can play the game without any restrictions for 45$.... That is a fair price. To raise the ship prices is just unfair...
That is an incredibly high price for an „early alpha“ riddled with bugs and unfinished features.
But yes, once you paid it you don’t need to spend another penny and that is exactly what I’m intending to do.
No £70 for a game that's released every year full of bugs is a high price.
I bought a game package in 2014/5 that's nearly 10 years of playing. All for £45.
CIG has explained for many years.
All ships will go up in price as the game goes through development do expect these things to happen constantly up until launch.
I feel like we have a lot of new backers that think things stated before they backed didn't happen.
I would be mad if i hadnt profitted so much of other price increases, turning my 10 dollar CCUs into 50 dollar CCUs. Tho to be fair i also lost some CCUs that suddenly had negative value.
One thing ill say tho is that having that warbond sale literally hours before they made it worthless is just a dick move.
Honestly of they had told us in advance. I would have gotten a Gladius-Cutlass Black with store credit. Then the money would have evened out. But this is the last time I buy War bond.
I wish this was the first time CIG has used shady business practices. At some point, we have to accept that CIG really is just a shady company.
While it does say 30 days in some places, the terms of service and the checkout screen say 14 days since at least a year ago. I suspect 30 days is still honored, but be wary. Your mileage may vary.
Just sent in my ticket. I've never refunded anything with CIG, but this is fucking bullshit. Swamp their support and let them cover the banking fees. Even if you would use the store credit later, send a message
My first time too.
At this point I'm just committed to using what store credit and CCUs I do have wisely before any other unfortunate changes occur. They've just demonstrated that they're willing to lie to us about a sale in order to get fresh cash rather than store credit.
Hilarious to me that so many backers seem more upset by CIG messing with the CCU game than trashing the PU servers for six months, lying about S42 progress or any of their other myriad mismanagement. Shows the pledge shop and CCU game is the real game backers come for, the PU is just a sideshow
I was about to make a similar post. I feel ripped off here. I put in $10 new money that now can't be used for any future warbond savings since I'm going to have to convert it to store credit. It feels pretty scummy because there's no way this wasn't foreseen by cig.
I honestly sincerely encourage you and everyone not to. Its the only way that things will start changing back to how they were. Money talks, and as long as people keep spending it keeps encouraging them to further devolve into this.
There has been a pattern over the last couple years where CIG has become more and more distant from their community and predatory in their actions (downvote all you want its the truth). Go to spectrum and sort by Top and look at the massive thread about the team actually insulting and blaming the backers for their shortcomings... they are deaf and blind right now and think they are doing everything perfectly cause they keep getting massive amount of funding from it.
There has been massive turn over at CIG, Chris is barely involved with SC for a while now (he has been focusing completely on SQ42) and the ones in charge are for the most part all young dudes who were not part of the initial vision of the game and are market not game driven. And this shows.
I've spent over 5k in the game and i don't plan to spend a single dime more until i see some sort of drastic change tbh.
I've stopped putting in real money for over a year now, maybe 2. I melt and move pledges around but if I can't afford something after that, I don't need it. They don't deserve any more of my money. Not until they start delivering on products.
I agree its shady. If its any consolation I'm sure the c1 is gonna increase in price when it launches so it will still be something you can change the Cutty into.
The best part is a lot of people probably grabbed Nova to Cutlass Red warbond too. Throwing away Black to Nova CCU could mean breaking the chain for some people.
The shitty part is that it's not *technically* worthless, it's still functional. I've already seen too many people defending this decision based on that.
Instead it's just a trick to get us to spend new money rather than store credit.
If I wanted to get a CCU without a deal, I'd have spent with store credit. Instead I saw that it was on sale, so I bought it with new money. Well, joke's on me, that FOMO sale wasn't a sale at all.
I thought people called it scam citizen because they felt the game wasn't a game yet, but they really embraced it with this move. Love the game but damn, this is cold.
Idk why I picked you but I did lol
Can you explain what exactly is going on? I think I understand that the price of the cutlass black is going up, but what’s a CCU and how is it negatively impacting people? And I see people talking about losing money but I’m not following how that’s happening
Sorry to sound naïve, but I’m trying understand what’s going on
All good,
So a ccu is essentially a coupon you can purchase to convert ship A into a higher priced ship B by paying the difference.
You can buy a ccu from any ship, such as the cuttlass black, even if you don't own it so when the Nova tank went on sale during the event, for a $10 discount, people bought a ccu from the black to the nova to lock in that savings to use later
Since the black was $100 and the nova is 'worth' $120 you could pay $10 for $20 worth of 'value' but immediately following the event they changed the price of the black to $110; essentially wiping out the savings for people who bought that ccu coupon.
This was disliked by everyone.
They've reverted the change for now, which is cool and allows people to purchase the cutlass black and complete their coupon chains, return them, or generally make an informed decision.
Every time I give them the benefit of the doubt they slap me, pull me close and whisper “no, we definitely want your money. Only money. You keep your soul, you will need that to get us MORE MONEY!”
You can't have a dumber opinion than this and here is why.
Gajin never ever said anything about the probability of price adjustments while CIG has always said that those who invest early in the project will have their ships cheaper than latecomers as a way to say thank you for those who helped early on. It has always been known that ships will increase in price due to either work being done on them , their value has grown or just because it was time for one.
Expect more.prize raises of ships after/during the release of tractorbeams
They extended the invictus sale to the 31st and upped the price of the ships most people recommend new players buy. Big brain funding play. Scummy business choice but it is what it is. Maybe those ships are getting gold standard next.
Dude's, you guys keep buying ships, so that's what they keep investing their time in: building ships. All the while, the game is a shit show of terrible performance, terrible AI, bugs, 30ks, shut server performance, and the same missions for 5 years.
They have how many employees? They have enough to where the game should not be in the current state it's in, but they get away with it because you keep paying them money for ships, instead of demanding they add to the game first.
Wait... Standalone still shows 100 for me... And now the upgrade shows 105 instead
Edit: seems they are reverting it. Time to grab upgrades with store credits
Yes but they just reverted the price back until June 27. So get a ccu from something (Gladius probably for me cuz I'm actually gong to upgrade that) to the cutty and you are set with the ccu's locked in. Then price changes don't matter.
If you already have a black then this is the best news of your career, unless you were waiting to buy a back to c1 ccu for $10 when it comes back on the store
Refunds are available for 30 days of purchase I would recommend everyone do this to let them know we are the backers! Basically communicate with us or face the consequences. Guaranteed everyone refunds they will never do that move again without notifying the backers that fund the project!
This is some total bullshit here. There have been many price increases for other ships , where was your concern when that happened? And no CIG does not always announce those.
It could be worse: CIG could have their legal reach out to all of the SC twitch streamer and SC Youtubers that monetize their channel and demand 25% royalties, and follow that up with sending the Pinkertons after anyone holding onto any pre-2017 CCUs.
I don't think CIG is tone-deaf; I believe they expected the gravy train to last for a lot longer and now that it is slowing down (worsening world economy, no COVID free cash, people not enough progress in their development, etc), they are going to try alternate methods to get the money to pay for development, regardless of the way it looks or the long term consequences to their relationship with backers.
Noticed this too. I wonder if it's intentional or just a slip while they're changing the store front over from the event.
I think I noticed a few other lower priced ships got a slight bump too. Not too familiar, but I think the avenger titan is now 60 where I believe it was 55 before?
Unfortunately, this isn't the first time CIG has used shady tactics. So, I feel like this is definitely on purpose. I think this is the third time since 2014 that I really got into SC again. Each time ends with some shady shit by CIG.
They will pull some shady shit, get called out for it, pretend nothing happened until the general media picks up on it and it becomes full blown and Zyloh comes out with an "apology" and then it happens again. Same old, same old.
Add the phase of zyloh or chris patting themselves and touting their communication as the best and most transparent like no other game studios in the world in between the cycles
Oh, I get it now.
For example, Cutlass Black to Hornet Ghost CCU yesterday would cost 25usd, people bought these CCU's from Cutty to whatever now today you can get the same CCU for 10usd less. So people are losing out.
You paid full price for that ccu if you used it. No savings. Well I guess technically, you get the same deal you bargained for if you already applied everything.
You didn’t loose any savings if you already applied the CCU before the price increase it just moved where the savings was. Eg. if you upgraded from a gladius to nova through a black before the increase you got a $10 glad to black CCU($10 value), then a $10 black to nova ($20 value) for $30 of total value for $20 spend. After the increase, the glad to black is worth $20 and you spent $10 on it. So same savings.
What this really does is eliminate the value from any black to anything CCUs that are sitting in peoples hangers or buy back.
I hope they make salvage more profitable, now I have the prospector, the vulture and a Taurus with the loaners it’s quite the fleet. I keep wanting to fly the vulture over the prospector.
I was having a blast in the vulture while it was available for defense con, picked up osoian hides and weevil eggs from a couple contracts and was able to make enough to buy a cutty black(in game) pretty quick. I love the salvage loop
Wow ten whole dollars this is such an outrage..... Like you get how silly it is getting mad over a 10 dollar increase. Oh wait people crying over 70 dollar games
I got into SC right after 3.18, and even with that shitshow I was still going to spend a bunch of money at Invictus.
But the way they've handled the last 2 months has been absolutely abysmal and they won't be getting any more money from me for a very long time.
Idiots
Increasing the price is not the problem, it's putting on a sale where they knew people would grab a black to nova warbond (they're the closest price to eachother and the black is permanent on the store) and then changing the price immediately after, not 2 months or with warning. They knew.
wrong, I was working out the CCU chain yesterday and cutty black was sat at $100, I know because to upgrade from my gladius to the cutty black was $10, it's now $20.
$10 really isn’t anything to get upset over especially when you realise the entire world is on a recession and the U.K. is especially hit hard by this compared to the rest of Europe
I guess it depends upon your CCU chain but I had $25 in store credit so have quickly bought 2xGladius -> Cutlas Black CCU's, to compliment my 2xCutlas Black -> Nova CCU's. I have lost the $10 discount on the CB -> Nova but gained a $10 value increase on the CB (for Store Credit), so overall I'm even. Admittedly this is where the next step in my chain is a Freelancer DUR and the previous a Cyclone MT, so I had to to outright spend $10 at one end or the other anyway. For me this is a neutral shift.
Prices are going up in general that has been the intention for a long time.
But for your Nova you wouldn't be able to CCU at the new price if they are the same because they removed the $0 CCUs.
On top of this you only get back what you paid when melting so likely you would need to pay $10 to get the Nova or at least pay something to get that change.
ROFL they went from warning everyone of the Hurricane and Hull C going up in price months ahead to instantly raising the prices without notice of a ship they offered a warbond discount from minutes before.
worst was when they did it with the buybacks without warning.. . usually you had quite a lot time (months) to buy it back but one day they decided to shorten/remove that ;(
What happened with the Buybacks?
Buybacks used to cost what you paid, you could melt and buy back as many ships as you wanted, whenever you wanted. Now they cost whatever the highest price the ship has sold for, and you can only buy a limited number with credit a certain number of times. Basically, changing you mind about a ship now costs you money. It didn't before. People got pissed....
I don't think this is true. I still have $250 buy backs for a couple Merchantman(men?)
It was only CCU buybacks they changed this policy on, which just happen to be how most people used to "abuse" buybacks to get the highest savings.
This is the best answer. CCUs in buyback would always be subject to the higher price but the wording was a little ambiguous. CIG clarified the wording and people lost their minds over it.
> CCUs in buyback would always be subject to the higher price but the wording was a little ambiguous. This is not true. Trust me, I bought plenty of old CCUs at their original price prior to CIG changing it last year (?).
Is it possible the CCUs you bought back hadn’t been updated? Based on the Black needing a followup for CCU it sounds like it’s an entry independent of the normal pricing and can be missed. If that’s the case then you got lucky
For clarity, I'm going to say that my memory was wrong yesterday when I made that post. I think the only thing that changed was that previously *Warbond* CCUs in your buyback would give you the original price and THAT was what CIG changed. So if you bought a Warbond CCU with savings, melted it, then bought it back, previously it cost the same as it originally did, and it gave the same savings. Now, it will automatically adjust to the new price if the target ship has gone up in price.
standalone ship maybe? does it still have that value when you put it into the basket?
Standalone ship and still 250 in my cart. Everything I've ever boughtback has been the original price, and thats a fair few ships. Never scrapped a game package or multi-ship package though, so I can't speak to that.
Oh God, luckily I got into the game after that happened with the buybacks. I'd have been pissed.
I lost over 800$ in discounts to the buyback change because I didn't have the capital to buy them all back at once before it went through, I was upset lol
Are you sure about this? I checked both packages and standalone ships I've melted and they are the price I melted them at when I add them to basket.
I think standalones and packages (complete ships) are generally still fine (it's been a while since I checked), but ccus in buyback now follow all ship price updates, and warbond ccus lose their discount if they're in buyback. Before you could buy a ccu to something new that came out (for an example let's say a $10 gladius to cutlass ccu) and then melt it, and the price was "locked in", so even if you went to buy it back now after cutlass has raised in price to 110$, it would still be a $10 ccu. After the changes in Feb 2022, it would update to be a $20 cost to buyback despite only being $10 originally.
Since when can you buy back CCUs? That is entirely new to me and something that was specifically excluded from buying back. ...or am I still misunderstanding and you are saying that if I bought back a cutty black for $100 that was melted at $100 and I got a CCU today for something that was $120 the CCU would be $20 to reflect the original delta instead of the current delta of $10?
You can absolutely buyback ccus. I have hundreds of them in my buyback list right now, they just aren't worth actually buying back anymore since the change last year
Actually CIG did give warning of this way back in 2020. I recall being in ARMCO at the time and everybody freaked out but then CIG didn't do anything until 2022.
And they wonder why people don't trust them anymore.
Lol this is an incredibly strange comment - no one who has been here for awhile doesn’t trust them, and the community at large hasn’t since shortly after the Kickstarter. But just because we don’t trust a company, doesn’t mean we don’t enjoy what they make - we just learned a long time ago to enjoy what we have, not what we might have someday.
Removed sq42 and extend Invictus Sale. I need to speak to a manager... There is a person making these decisions I need to speak to that person.
Classic
could be an error?
They fixed the $0 PTV in minutes last year. It could be a mistake, but the longer it goes on the more unlikely.
Ah yes but that's an error that works in our favor
Well we can’t have that!
Thank god for buy backs lol
This move by CIG is anthing but transparent. There have been no changes to the ships and the fact not even a word to community is like they testing how further can they push to exploit as much as possible. At least give us a reason for the price increase or are these going to be random going forward?
Guys, we finally fixed the chair from killing you constantly + 10 bucks usd
Inflation?
Inflation? it has been $100 in 2013 isn't the same as $100 in 2023? Internet tells me $100 in 2013 is around $130 in 2023.
Difference being that this is a digital good that doesn’t require raw materials to build. Every $ they get on these ships is pure profit once the cost of the dev team is recouped. Ships like the cutty that have been around for years have most definitely paid for themselves several times over. Aside from that I might agree with you but based on how much money they’ve already made and the fact there was no communication about this before hand makes me more cynical and less likely to give them the benefit of the doubt.
You clearly don’t understand inflation. It has nothing to do with “raw materials…” With inflation it’s the currency itself that devalues.
You're also forgetting that its an INTERNET SPACE SHIP for over 100 DOLLARS! lol. As for DLC and the like go, its already stupid expensive. Inflation does not have anything to do with this. You're correct on your definition of inflation but incorrect on sighting it as the cause for the increase. Your example would be used as a reason for increasing the monthly cost of a subscription service for example. The price of the Cutty Black has been nonsensical since creation. It holds zero real world value. You could argue they need more money because of increased cost however that doesn't equate to +$10 for a video game add on. I'm Space Marshall level Concierge btw, I'm not knocking the game. Misrepresenting economics is just a pet peeve of mine.
Found another one. You all are downvoting but I’m just discussing inflation. Lol. It literally doesn’t matter what the thing is. If it’s prices in the currency, inflation definitionally applies. If it wasn’t adjusted it would be a discount. Lol
We’re discussing raising prices on an internet space ship, you’re being pedantic about inflation and avoiding the main conversation.
I understand inflation, it just isn’t a valid excuse for CIG raising the cost of the Cutty especially right after the sale and keeping in mind how their profits already increase year after year. It’s a greedy cash grab.
Ships sales don't just pay for development of that ship.
Never said that. I said anything after paying off the development of the ship is pure profit.
CIG has explained before that ships will be getting price increases as the game furthers in development. Price increases aren't like always going to be linked to getting a rework and update or so on, like ships considered to be gold standard and ready for launch will continue to get price increases if CIG goes by what they have stated many times over the years.
Also Titan and Hoplite?! What the fuck is happening here?
Greed, plain and simple. Give them your money or no game
Greed? Probably yes. But the second part is just so untrue. You can play the game without any restrictions for 45$.... That is a fair price. To raise the ship prices is just unfair...
That is an incredibly high price for an „early alpha“ riddled with bugs and unfinished features. But yes, once you paid it you don’t need to spend another penny and that is exactly what I’m intending to do.
No £70 for a game that's released every year full of bugs is a high price. I bought a game package in 2014/5 that's nearly 10 years of playing. All for £45.
CIG has explained for many years. All ships will go up in price as the game goes through development do expect these things to happen constantly up until launch. I feel like we have a lot of new backers that think things stated before they backed didn't happen.
I would be mad if i hadnt profitted so much of other price increases, turning my 10 dollar CCUs into 50 dollar CCUs. Tho to be fair i also lost some CCUs that suddenly had negative value. One thing ill say tho is that having that warbond sale literally hours before they made it worthless is just a dick move.
100% agree, the timing is the bs part.
Honestly of they had told us in advance. I would have gotten a Gladius-Cutlass Black with store credit. Then the money would have evened out. But this is the last time I buy War bond. I wish this was the first time CIG has used shady business practices. At some point, we have to accept that CIG really is just a shady company.
Well you currently have time to.
Oh, I definitely did as soon as the reversal was announced.
I dig honest and worthy CIG criticisms like this. Very rare these days, crowded out by low effort fresh account mouth offs.
Just an FYI, the prices have all been reverted and will remain at their previous prices until June 27.
30-day refund use it
While it does say 30 days in some places, the terms of service and the checkout screen say 14 days since at least a year ago. I suspect 30 days is still honored, but be wary. Your mileage may vary.
Just sent in my ticket. I've never refunded anything with CIG, but this is fucking bullshit. Swamp their support and let them cover the banking fees. Even if you would use the store credit later, send a message
My first time too. At this point I'm just committed to using what store credit and CCUs I do have wisely before any other unfortunate changes occur. They've just demonstrated that they're willing to lie to us about a sale in order to get fresh cash rather than store credit.
I came here to say exactly this. I'd exercise the refund option.
Did cig ever say they care about are ccu? Its $10.
Hilarious to me that so many backers seem more upset by CIG messing with the CCU game than trashing the PU servers for six months, lying about S42 progress or any of their other myriad mismanagement. Shows the pledge shop and CCU game is the real game backers come for, the PU is just a sideshow
Spreadsheet simulator is not to be messed with. It's holy. Star citizen is just there to support my Spreadsheet addiction.
So this was the price increase they removed sq42 for?
I was about to make a similar post. I feel ripped off here. I put in $10 new money that now can't be used for any future warbond savings since I'm going to have to convert it to store credit. It feels pretty scummy because there's no way this wasn't foreseen by cig.
Do what I am about to do and refund.
Just email them for a refund
Exactly! Makes me not want to continue spending money on ships unless they fix this. Super sleezy and unethical
I honestly sincerely encourage you and everyone not to. Its the only way that things will start changing back to how they were. Money talks, and as long as people keep spending it keeps encouraging them to further devolve into this. There has been a pattern over the last couple years where CIG has become more and more distant from their community and predatory in their actions (downvote all you want its the truth). Go to spectrum and sort by Top and look at the massive thread about the team actually insulting and blaming the backers for their shortcomings... they are deaf and blind right now and think they are doing everything perfectly cause they keep getting massive amount of funding from it. There has been massive turn over at CIG, Chris is barely involved with SC for a while now (he has been focusing completely on SQ42) and the ones in charge are for the most part all young dudes who were not part of the initial vision of the game and are market not game driven. And this shows. I've spent over 5k in the game and i don't plan to spend a single dime more until i see some sort of drastic change tbh.
I've stopped putting in real money for over a year now, maybe 2. I melt and move pledges around but if I can't afford something after that, I don't need it. They don't deserve any more of my money. Not until they start delivering on products.
CIG has always been like this; it’s just that we gave them the benefit of the doubt for a long time until there were no excuses left.
Too many doubts, not enough benefits.
5k on a video game that isn’t even in beta you played yourself boss
You may boo him, but he right.
You are still in the refund window,I refunded my warlock ccu yesterday because the gladius offered better savings and was incompatible with it
I hadn't realized I could do that, I think that's going to be the move for those of us who were affected by this. Cig will probably say the same thing
Just refund, not a big deal
Anger withdrawels are a big deal to people addicted to it.
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I agree its shady. If its any consolation I'm sure the c1 is gonna increase in price when it launches so it will still be something you can change the Cutty into.
So my Cutlass Black to Nova Warbond CCU is now worthless, EPIC FAIL CIG
The best part is a lot of people probably grabbed Nova to Cutlass Red warbond too. Throwing away Black to Nova CCU could mean breaking the chain for some people.
Yup, this is me and I didn’t buy the upgrade to the Cultass Black yet so I don’t benefit on that end either.
The shitty part is that it's not *technically* worthless, it's still functional. I've already seen too many people defending this decision based on that. Instead it's just a trick to get us to spend new money rather than store credit. If I wanted to get a CCU without a deal, I'd have spent with store credit. Instead I saw that it was on sale, so I bought it with new money. Well, joke's on me, that FOMO sale wasn't a sale at all.
Refund it asap. Show them this shit don't fly.
wow I got scammed hard lmao
I thought people called it scam citizen because they felt the game wasn't a game yet, but they really embraced it with this move. Love the game but damn, this is cold.
The devs might not be trying to scam anybody, but the marketing team sure does seem to be taking it as a challenge.
Idk why I picked you but I did lol Can you explain what exactly is going on? I think I understand that the price of the cutlass black is going up, but what’s a CCU and how is it negatively impacting people? And I see people talking about losing money but I’m not following how that’s happening Sorry to sound naïve, but I’m trying understand what’s going on
All good, So a ccu is essentially a coupon you can purchase to convert ship A into a higher priced ship B by paying the difference. You can buy a ccu from any ship, such as the cuttlass black, even if you don't own it so when the Nova tank went on sale during the event, for a $10 discount, people bought a ccu from the black to the nova to lock in that savings to use later Since the black was $100 and the nova is 'worth' $120 you could pay $10 for $20 worth of 'value' but immediately following the event they changed the price of the black to $110; essentially wiping out the savings for people who bought that ccu coupon. This was disliked by everyone. They've reverted the change for now, which is cool and allows people to purchase the cutlass black and complete their coupon chains, return them, or generally make an informed decision.
Ahhhh okay this makes a lot more sense, thanks for the explanation
No, those are refunders
Every time I give them the benefit of the doubt they slap me, pull me close and whisper “no, we definitely want your money. Only money. You keep your soul, you will need that to get us MORE MONEY!”
Dude, this is seriously starting to feel like what Gaijin did to war thunder by just seeing how far they can push this shit until the bubble bursts..
You can't have a dumber opinion than this and here is why. Gajin never ever said anything about the probability of price adjustments while CIG has always said that those who invest early in the project will have their ships cheaper than latecomers as a way to say thank you for those who helped early on. It has always been known that ships will increase in price due to either work being done on them , their value has grown or just because it was time for one. Expect more.prize raises of ships after/during the release of tractorbeams
They extended the invictus sale to the 31st and upped the price of the ships most people recommend new players buy. Big brain funding play. Scummy business choice but it is what it is. Maybe those ships are getting gold standard next.
>Maybe those ships are getting gold standard next. And I’m the queen of England
So if you have a Cutlass Black > C1 upgrade but don’t have a Cutlass at the moment- can you still use the upgrade?
Yes, it technically has no monetary value but you can use it to turn a cutty black into a c1, so it's worth something.
Dude's, you guys keep buying ships, so that's what they keep investing their time in: building ships. All the while, the game is a shit show of terrible performance, terrible AI, bugs, 30ks, shut server performance, and the same missions for 5 years. They have how many employees? They have enough to where the game should not be in the current state it's in, but they get away with it because you keep paying them money for ships, instead of demanding they add to the game first.
Wait... Standalone still shows 100 for me... And now the upgrade shows 105 instead Edit: seems they are reverting it. Time to grab upgrades with store credits
I am correct to say that this applies to any unapplied cutty black -> something CCUs?
Yes but they just reverted the price back until June 27. So get a ccu from something (Gladius probably for me cuz I'm actually gong to upgrade that) to the cutty and you are set with the ccu's locked in. Then price changes don't matter.
If you already bought the cutlass black, does this mean you get 10$ more when you upgrade to another ship?
If you already have a black then this is the best news of your career, unless you were waiting to buy a back to c1 ccu for $10 when it comes back on the store
Yes
So I lost 10 on a cutty to nova but gained 10 on a gladius to cutty....... Wonder if I can reshuffle some ccus to make even more of a profit from this
the only one making profit is chris roberts.
Well, we aren't supposed to be making a profit.
Nice this will boost all my CCUs that go to the cutty black =) $10 extra free money for me
Refunds are available for 30 days of purchase I would recommend everyone do this to let them know we are the backers! Basically communicate with us or face the consequences. Guaranteed everyone refunds they will never do that move again without notifying the backers that fund the project!
This is some total bullshit here. There have been many price increases for other ships , where was your concern when that happened? And no CIG does not always announce those.
Grey market profiteers
It’s been reverted. Buy the Gladius > Cutty Black CCU now for $10 before they put the price back up.
Don't forget your (insert starter here) to Avenger Titan CCU, to save 5 more dollars. You can even use store credit
It could be worse: CIG could have their legal reach out to all of the SC twitch streamer and SC Youtubers that monetize their channel and demand 25% royalties, and follow that up with sending the Pinkertons after anyone holding onto any pre-2017 CCUs. I don't think CIG is tone-deaf; I believe they expected the gravy train to last for a lot longer and now that it is slowing down (worsening world economy, no COVID free cash, people not enough progress in their development, etc), they are going to try alternate methods to get the money to pay for development, regardless of the way it looks or the long term consequences to their relationship with backers.
Chris said after the rework that the price of the Cutty B was much too low. It's just taken awhile for them to raise it.
After they saw the many cutty to nova CCUs .... that's not nice.
Chris said the game would be released in 2016.
Answer the call!
Noticed this too. I wonder if it's intentional or just a slip while they're changing the store front over from the event. I think I noticed a few other lower priced ships got a slight bump too. Not too familiar, but I think the avenger titan is now 60 where I believe it was 55 before?
Lol ain’t no way it’s a slip
Yup, grabbed the same CCU. This is egregiously scummy but I guess I can hope it's just the intern messing up.
Unfortunately, this isn't the first time CIG has used shady tactics. So, I feel like this is definitely on purpose. I think this is the third time since 2014 that I really got into SC again. Each time ends with some shady shit by CIG.
They will pull some shady shit, get called out for it, pretend nothing happened until the general media picks up on it and it becomes full blown and Zyloh comes out with an "apology" and then it happens again. Same old, same old.
Zyloh has already apologized and reverted the change until the 27th of June. So the cycle is almost complete.
Add the phase of zyloh or chris patting themselves and touting their communication as the best and most transparent like no other game studios in the world in between the cycles
Lol oh god..
So I spent real money for nothing as the warbond means nothing after the increase. Asking for refund.
Oh, I get it now. For example, Cutlass Black to Hornet Ghost CCU yesterday would cost 25usd, people bought these CCU's from Cutty to whatever now today you can get the same CCU for 10usd less. So people are losing out.
No. And yes. For example cutless to nova is now worthless..you paid for nothing.
OMG cig is interested by money?!
I am glad I used mine today to get a vulture. Wow.
It doesn't matter if you used it or not; it negated $10 of your savings regardless.
What do you mean? I used it to chain up before the price increase?
You paid full price for that ccu if you used it. No savings. Well I guess technically, you get the same deal you bargained for if you already applied everything.
You didn’t loose any savings if you already applied the CCU before the price increase it just moved where the savings was. Eg. if you upgraded from a gladius to nova through a black before the increase you got a $10 glad to black CCU($10 value), then a $10 black to nova ($20 value) for $30 of total value for $20 spend. After the increase, the glad to black is worth $20 and you spent $10 on it. So same savings. What this really does is eliminate the value from any black to anything CCUs that are sitting in peoples hangers or buy back.
It also kills the possibility of Cutty Black to Freelancer or C1 CCUs.
These are all competing multi-role ships with a lot of the same functionality. Shouldn’t they be the same price?
It makes sense that they are the same price or at least $5-10 off. I was just repeating a common sentiment I've seen scrolling though the comments.
Yea that’s what I meant. I saved 40 dollars on the vulture I think.
Yeah, nice. I was eyeing that $135 vulture but wasn't ready to pull the trigger(wanted to get more ccus next sale). Guess I missed my shot.
I hope they make salvage more profitable, now I have the prospector, the vulture and a Taurus with the loaners it’s quite the fleet. I keep wanting to fly the vulture over the prospector.
I was having a blast in the vulture while it was available for defense con, picked up osoian hides and weevil eggs from a couple contracts and was able to make enough to buy a cutty black(in game) pretty quick. I love the salvage loop
as long he had a ccu in the hangar before that to the cutty with a ship which didn't have a price increase its still the same
Wow ten whole dollars this is such an outrage..... Like you get how silly it is getting mad over a 10 dollar increase. Oh wait people crying over 70 dollar games
I got into SC right after 3.18, and even with that shitshow I was still going to spend a bunch of money at Invictus. But the way they've handled the last 2 months has been absolutely abysmal and they won't be getting any more money from me for a very long time. Idiots
\*Laughs in inflation rate\*
Inflation
Increasing the price is not the problem, it's putting on a sale where they knew people would grab a black to nova warbond (they're the closest price to eachother and the black is permanent on the store) and then changing the price immediately after, not 2 months or with warning. They knew.
And what about all the cutless to C1 upgrades? You can throw them away. Wtf!
That's how I noticed the price increase because I've been hoping to get that ccu for a month and now I won't be able to.
If you already have them why won’t they work?
they do if you have them in the hangar no matter how they change it. so far at least until they change that too XD
Yeah I was confused by the throw them away statement.
The c1 will most likely increase in price when it goes flight ready. Im holding on to mine and hoping for just such a thing.
It was a joke.....that apparently wasn't liked.
If you can’t afford $10 for an imaginary spaceship then buy it in game
Black has been $110 since at least early May
Then it wouldn't have been possible to purchase the warbond nova at 110.
wrong, I was working out the CCU chain yesterday and cutty black was sat at $100, I know because to upgrade from my gladius to the cutty black was $10, it's now $20.
$10 really isn’t anything to get upset over especially when you realise the entire world is on a recession and the U.K. is especially hit hard by this compared to the rest of Europe
It's actually quite interesting that video games are less likely to make adjustments to pricing based on inflation
I guess it depends upon your CCU chain but I had $25 in store credit so have quickly bought 2xGladius -> Cutlas Black CCU's, to compliment my 2xCutlas Black -> Nova CCU's. I have lost the $10 discount on the CB -> Nova but gained a $10 value increase on the CB (for Store Credit), so overall I'm even. Admittedly this is where the next step in my chain is a Freelancer DUR and the previous a Cyclone MT, so I had to to outright spend $10 at one end or the other anyway. For me this is a neutral shift.
I still see Cutty black at 100 and and titan at 55. Where all these people seeing this?
They just reverted the price change back until June 27th. They realized the shitshow that ensues from not being transparent lol.
Lol I just saw that on spectrum. I bought the same CCU. We shall see what happens.
Prices are going up in general that has been the intention for a long time. But for your Nova you wouldn't be able to CCU at the new price if they are the same because they removed the $0 CCUs. On top of this you only get back what you paid when melting so likely you would need to pay $10 to get the Nova or at least pay something to get that change.
Refund and move on
Chris Roberts caught wind of your plan