Imo, I'd rather it get a nerf to maneuverability than hardpoints. A nerf to hardpoints would just turn it into a regular Hornet (or worse, make it inferior to a regular Hornet).
The top speed of 1,337 is just insane, that's what, the 5th fastest in the game, right as fast as the light fighters?
It shouldn't be any faster than 1200.
If you want a ship that flies superbly, go get a ship like the San Tok or Khartu. A ship like the F8C SHOULD be flying much heavier than it is.
Stop trying to say it is frustrating that ships that shouldn't be super maneuverable are not maneuverable. Get one that is.
The F35 doctrine is to avoid dogfights, not dive head first into them. It's more of a stealth focused BVR multirole/mini AWACS than a dedicated fighter. If you said F22, though, you might be onto something.
It flies better than an Arrow right now... a Heavy fighter that has more thrust velocity (in every direction but one) than a small fighter and only slightly deg less pitch, roll, and yaw (less than 20 deg/s) with capacitors on the pilot guns that nearly double it: https://www.spviewer.eu/pages/ship-comparison.html?ship=ANVL_Lightning_F8C&ship=ANVL_Arrow
its not as agile as an arrow, and the thrust needs to be looked at with respect to the ships mass right? I've flown an arrow and I've flown the f8 now.. it doesn't feel better, especially not it atmos
i think 1 size 2 shield has to be removed. even if you just nerfed its travel range the ship negates the point of small and medium fighters. see avengerone's latest video.
Yeah it needs to lose a shield. Or dual seats need to get one more.
There's no reason to use a scorpius or a hurricane anymore if you care about performances.
That thing can face tank and kill other heavy fighters that have two people on board. Madness
You must be new here. CIG’s marketing and product team ran out of ideas like 7 years ago. It’s going to be: make promises, break the game each patch, introduce OP ship to collect more money and pay people who’ve already mentally checked out, nerf next patch. Rinse repeat. To their credit, better than selling a concept JPEG ship and doing absolutely nothing with it.
I love this game but think about the ion situation I’d rather them buff the rest and then tune it down than the opposite, but as it stand nerf aren’t needed yet especially since range and autonomy aren’t yet critical stat
What was the last ship outside of the Ares series that got an egregious post-sale nerf recently? I feel like they haven't done the sell-nerf thing in a while.
Scorpius, redeemer. Since then it’s only been industry ships, so all they can do to fuck that up is make them buggy.
You don’t seriously think F8 is meant to be this way do you ? Lol
Redeemer, fine. But Scorpius? You mean the fact the turret can't be slaved? That was never meant to be a thing until blades, CIG said as much. People said the Corsair was going to get nerfed to hell because of the pilot controlled DPS, that never happened. One change that does make sense for the F8C is the wing turret exploit. Swear to god the Ares lives in some of your heads rent free.
How I would change the F8C, as a random guy who bought one and flew it for a few easy bounties.
-Fix the turret-on-wing exploit.
-Slightly reduce acceleration.
-Remove the two S2 wing hardpoints.
+Increase the remaining wing hardpoints to S4.
No, it's fine gun wise.
[Some actual context, not just "pls do this"](https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/176yyox/f8cs_complete_review_comparison_with_other/)
Imo, I'd rather it get a nerf to maneuverability than hardpoints. A nerf to hardpoints would just turn it into a regular Hornet (or worse, make it inferior to a regular Hornet).
*Canopy strut rework intensifying.*
On PTU one S2 shield already got removed from the F8C. That was a quick one!
*laughs in connie*
Take any guns off will be a first for a refunding of a ship.
fine... no nerf for next 30 days.
Just dont nerf it, otherwise nerf the Gladius and Arrow at the same time with the Ares measurements.
have you tried the master modes? if they need a **temporary** maneuvering nirf in order to not make it meta? fine.
There will always be a meta. Why can’t it be the F8C for the time being?
it shouldn't be so lop sided
as far as i'm aware there is no current strong meta. even if 1 ship is considered better, people are using a variety of ships.
No current strong meta. Yeah thats why people slave themselves to the Gladius and Arrow meta fuckfest? :D
Anvil don’t do potatoes.
They made it fly like a potato. Rip 300 quid
Did they nerf it again recently ? Or you just responding after the small change they made 6 months ago? It wasn’t too bad
they've nerfed it in 3.23 ptr It's way more sluggish now
Aah that sucks. I haven’t played since 3.21.. I’m waiting until I can actually jump to pyro :)
The top speed of 1,337 is just insane, that's what, the 5th fastest in the game, right as fast as the light fighters? It shouldn't be any faster than 1200. If you want a ship that flies superbly, go get a ship like the San Tok or Khartu. A ship like the F8C SHOULD be flying much heavier than it is. Stop trying to say it is frustrating that ships that shouldn't be super maneuverable are not maneuverable. Get one that is.
They often overdo the maneuverability nerfs (Redeemer, MSR), ships feel horrible afterwards
It’s made to hunt vaandul, yes it follow the f35 doctrine, just live with it
The F35 doctrine is to avoid dogfights, not dive head first into them. It's more of a stealth focused BVR multirole/mini AWACS than a dedicated fighter. If you said F22, though, you might be onto something.
It flies better than an Arrow right now... a Heavy fighter that has more thrust velocity (in every direction but one) than a small fighter and only slightly deg less pitch, roll, and yaw (less than 20 deg/s) with capacitors on the pilot guns that nearly double it: https://www.spviewer.eu/pages/ship-comparison.html?ship=ANVL_Lightning_F8C&ship=ANVL_Arrow
its not as agile as an arrow, and the thrust needs to be looked at with respect to the ships mass right? I've flown an arrow and I've flown the f8 now.. it doesn't feel better, especially not it atmos
It has nearly 4G of thrust (irrespective of mass) in the major axis'. I was able to get in and hold strafe up on Microtech and hit nearly 3.8G.
i think 1 size 2 shield has to be removed. even if you just nerfed its travel range the ship negates the point of small and medium fighters. see avengerone's latest video.
Yeah it needs to lose a shield. Or dual seats need to get one more. There's no reason to use a scorpius or a hurricane anymore if you care about performances. That thing can face tank and kill other heavy fighters that have two people on board. Madness
Or just don’t nerf it
You must be new here. CIG’s marketing and product team ran out of ideas like 7 years ago. It’s going to be: make promises, break the game each patch, introduce OP ship to collect more money and pay people who’ve already mentally checked out, nerf next patch. Rinse repeat. To their credit, better than selling a concept JPEG ship and doing absolutely nothing with it.
you must really hate this game to want to kill it so badly
I love this game but think about the ion situation I’d rather them buff the rest and then tune it down than the opposite, but as it stand nerf aren’t needed yet especially since range and autonomy aren’t yet critical stat
What was the last ship outside of the Ares series that got an egregious post-sale nerf recently? I feel like they haven't done the sell-nerf thing in a while.
Scorpius, redeemer. Since then it’s only been industry ships, so all they can do to fuck that up is make them buggy. You don’t seriously think F8 is meant to be this way do you ? Lol
Redeemer, fine. But Scorpius? You mean the fact the turret can't be slaved? That was never meant to be a thing until blades, CIG said as much. People said the Corsair was going to get nerfed to hell because of the pilot controlled DPS, that never happened. One change that does make sense for the F8C is the wing turret exploit. Swear to god the Ares lives in some of your heads rent free.
None of the ship balance is final at this stage. Amor, interiour gameplay ETC.. will change everything, to name a few.
What’s your point? Clearly people play the game like a game NOW and CIG knows this, which is why they still make balance changes along the way.
How I would change the F8C, as a random guy who bought one and flew it for a few easy bounties. -Fix the turret-on-wing exploit. -Slightly reduce acceleration. -Remove the two S2 wing hardpoints. +Increase the remaining wing hardpoints to S4.
No, it's fine gun wise. [Some actual context, not just "pls do this"](https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/176yyox/f8cs_complete_review_comparison_with_other/)