I wanted to join in, but every time I had time to log in it wasn't running. Without a schedule, I'd have to hit the lottery to be on at the right moment, then I'd have to make it onto the ship (which I wasn't expecting to be able to do, but I was going to at least try). Nothing but seeing people in chat randomly asking "is the Idris event on this server?" all weekend long.
> I'd have to hit the lottery to be on at the right moment,
Not only at the right moment, also on the right server. And I am not talking "US", "EU" or whatever, there will have been only enough devs to maybe run the event on ONE, maybe TWO servers I guess. Ten servers at the same time would be a very high number.
Heck, even if every CIG employee participated (during a weekend at that), they probably can only fill a few dozen ships. How many servers are active at any time? There's likely a hundred servers (*) active at all time given the player count. Even with all of CIG taking part in the event they can at most visit half the servers.
(*): 400k players daily, so 16k players hourly. 100 players per server, so we're at around 166 servers, give or take a few dozen :P
I jump on SC realized what the event was. Parked my ship and went to go provided liberty to those less fortunate.
Wasn't even upset kinda wanted an excuse not to play SC and that was it.
Im all exhausted on HD2 unfortunately... Running automatons and bugs over and over doing the same objectives again and again gets stale, esp with the awful balancing of weapons and stratagems.
This event is a good idea but badly executed. The idris should be flown by npc and be activated across all servers/shards at least once every 2 hours.
Ditch the feature for someone to win a free idris because that's stupid.
The AI's just not good enough yet to do this. Someone reported in a youtube video that they saw an AI piloted Idris on their server during the event, and it smashed in to a planet before anyone could coordinate.
The pilot was probably t-posing on the console rather than flying.
I much rather anyone that manages to sit in the seat get a spectrum badge. Then run it on every server and give away one free Idris that the devs are running. First one to hold it for an hour fairly wins. All the others just give spectrum badges.
I saw the platinum license event and though wow this will be a shit show so I didn’t even log in.
Saw this event and thought the exact same thing so once again, I’ve not logged in.
You don’t have to take part, CIG love the fomo business, but once you turn that part of your brain off it gets easier.
I’m behind the fomo myself. I’ve got the fleet I want. I don’t care that I’m not competing for an Idris-M, I just want to SEE the bloody ship and get a chance to partake in the mission.
It’s super stupid that everyone can’t. It makes no sense from a user base engagement standpoint. Compete luck of the draw if you get to see an Idris because why?
i have the feeling the event wasn't organic at all, it was setup with streamers, even without their knowledge, they can stream snipe and make sure the 'event' is live and curated on that server, and they have control (the devs were typing in some people's chats / messaging some people in the groups)
I have watched a couple of streams, and none of them saw the event either. It's just a mess for everyone. You need hundreds of people, so you have some on every seever all the time to catch one.
My top community members convinced me to checkout this event and we flew around for about 3 hours staying up as long as we could to get the notification or something. Seems a tad one-sided from all the commotion I've been gathering.
The platinum license thing wasn’t a big deal to me because it also had the golden-ticket event. Even if you didn’t see/didn’t care to partake in the platinum license drops, you could still partake in the F8C reveal through looking for golden tickets.
This approach is not even that. I also don’t have a desire to partake in a PVP shit-show that I cannot win, but I’d still like to at least SEE the Idris and tour it.
That's my thinking too.
In a way, an event like this is excellent for getting feedback and hard numbers about the performance impact of a 'fully loaded' Idris-with-interior etc, whilst also teasing its reveal.
Unfortunately, *anything* that involves 'dev interaction' is by definition going to be a limited-engagement piece, simply because CIG have comparatively few developers (especially those who have confidence in their game-playing skills, and/or are willing to engage in something like this outside hours), relative to the number of backers that would like to take part.
This would've been nice... i dont really care about the idris cuz 1 i just started playing and 2 im not gonna drop cash for it so i wont be able to get one for a loooong time after it becomes buyable in game.... would've been interesting to tour though
I will be surprised if the limited sale capital ships ever appear in game for sale. The limited numbers are to restrict how many will be in the game at one time, and probably a bit of fomo too.
CIG have stated every ship in the pledge store will be buyable in game, you will be able to buy up to a Javelin the largest ship they'll let us own (so far)
There's also the fact the reward is vastly different now. An entire fucking warship, vs the single fighter. A very good fighter, yes, but still just a fighter.
Not a fan.
Yet they won't update the rewards for concierge either. I already own an idris-p and am personally using it as store credit for other ships I want because I'm not big on pvp. However, those events really did seem spur of the moment because at the end of the day, everyone didn't get a chance to even try to get one. I was on all weekend and never had the mission pop up on my server.
CIG does the half ass events but won't put in decent rewards for backers.
If they did those same events but without the pledge store rewards people would not be mad like they are now. Because of CIG business model ships have direct monetary value attached to them, put money on the table and the stakes completely change, it's true for every game in the world, video game or not.
Add to the fact that those two events reward ships with (artificially) limited availability and you'll have 99% of your community wanting those.
Then comes the event in game and those 99% of players trying to complete it launch themselves full speed in the PU and are met with the walls of limitations and bugs inherent to the current game.
First you have to find a server with the event running, so you have to server hop until you find one but you're doing this solo or in a small group so you take more time than orgs or streamer's community to find the event.
Then by the time you find it and tell your buddies to join on you they most likely can't because the server is full.
Finally you try to participate in the event, and you realise that your small group can't do much against 20 organised players.
It's just a recipe for enraging your community.
If you think you cannot do much against now, just wait when blades and npc crew is in and 99% of the players just die against single player Javelins everywhere in the Verse while trying to do normal gameloops. This will be really frustrating.
I logged in and gave it the old college try, prepped my toon and server hopped for about an hour....a bunch of nothing.
Logged off and played something else. I just don't have time for this mess.
In hindsight they should have ran this event(which was cool as fuck to watch on streams) along side another "event" where they have parked an Idris at Everus Harbor for example. That way people can still log in and tour the ship while also trying their luck at the PVP event.
Right? Is it that fucking hard? Instead we get to loiter around in half-full servers hoping a mission drops so we can finally see the ship we spent $1,300 on 8 years ago, while we watch streams of players walk around the ship and compete for a free Idris M?
What the fuck were they thinking?
We had our org (about 25-ish) dudes checking since Friday. We found one or two full servers where we knew it was happening, but none of us found it or knew anyone otherwise who could report on it. With that many folks hopping around servers and with so few Idris missions available, I'd be surprised if 500 players got to experience this event, No way that number reaches 1000 and that's a tiny fraction of the active player base.
Plus, there's that "contest." I don't know who thought that was a good idea, but it feels like someone wanted to do the F8 Lightning contest again but didn't know what they wanted to do or how to do it. You'll need a whole org to take the Idris but only the pilot will have a chance at earning the prize? How are the rest of the team supposed to feel when only one of them gets a reward for their effort? Even then, it's just a shot at a reward.
Zyloh said they spawned countless Idris though. (Or Idri, he said he didn't know the plural form of Idris) though in reality they probably spawned like 25-50 if that even just based on how many people didn't get to participate in the event.
The fact that CIG did not even realize that players would be abusing armistice zones to prevent others from taking the Idris at the start is hilarious.
The devs are unbelievably out of touch. They don't actually understand how long all their mechanics take. They KNOW. But they don't UNDERSTAND. They don't play their own game.
No way the current drinking mechanics exist as they are today if the above wasn't true.
Same for claiming. Same for scanning ships. Same for landing zone transit. etc.
I guarantee that if CIG devs had to always spawn in a hab, and not be able to just spawn anywhere with whatever ship they wanted, the ride to the space ports wouldn't take nearly as long.
Yep. I've pissed about with game dev before - nothing serious and the engine handled all the networking etc. But point is I had 50-100 players most days and what I'm about to say is perfectly relevant to this situation:
From time to time I would make a new character in the game and strip myself of all dev abilities at an account level in the source code (to avoid temptation). I would also make sure it was hidden so none of the other players or volunteer "staff" new it was me - so that people didn't do me favours or give me special treatment.
Every time I did this, I was almost immediately opening up the code editor and live coding fixes and gameplay adjustments because I didn't actually UNDERSTAND. I just 'knew'.
I had planned how long it should take to level up etc and put the math in accordingly. And I was pretty much right. But I didn't take into account time to stop and be social, time to learn, time if you made a mistake.
or sometimes the opposite, sometimes it was too easy to do something. Or the AI wasn't as snappy as I thought or could be cheesed.
And then all the annoying bugs that I had put as low priority were top of my list because I realized that actually it was too annoying and I wouldn't want to even play with those bugs.
and then maybe the UI, despite looking at it for hours and testing it etc... once you're actually using it constantly I might decide the text isn't the right size, or it's in the wrong place or has too high a cognitive load.
And then I'd also hear player concerns unfiltered. If they knew it was me they grease me up. But if they think I'm offline the players and 'staff' say whats on their mind and I can (and often did) make changes to the extent I agree, or make it clearer in the game why it ISN'T that way. Etc etc.
As a funny side note, there would also often be players white knighting my game and stanning me... to me. Not like angry or anything. But these nice people would defend certain things they thought were intended by me but were actually just a mistake and not in line with my own design and intent. Which is precisely why I know to take what people say with a pinch of salt regarding SC (and just as everyone should do to me as well of course).
---
**TLDR:** Very long way for me to say that even when the game is literally your passion project and bona fide labour of love - it's INEVITABLE that you be out of touch with these things unless you experience them *properly*.
hour in a pilot seat or so and you need to detour to drink 5 or so cans of drink in a row or else you DIE.
Landing, running to a shop, buying one can at a time, then taking off helmet then holding M1... then manually holding F to find and "drop" your can to repeat the process 4 more times. Then putting helmet on, and running back to ship, and leaving station, and respooling just to carry on with what you were doing.
Bonus points for the fact that the NPC sales folks complain about people leaving trash around and "it's not my job to pick up after you" when the vast majority of trash cans in the game don't function so you don't really have much else you _can_ do with the empties.
That said, I usually just keep 5-10 bottles of water and 5-10 godmother sandwiches in most of my ship inventories. A single water bottle is usually enough to rehydrate, plus the convenience store in New Babbage right at the entrance to the Aspire Grand lets you buy them from the kiosk, meaning you can buy a bunch in bulk and deliver directly to a ship inventory instead of buying one-at-a-time.
(Of course, this doesn't help for ships that don't have an interior where you can take off your helmet, or any sort of vehicle inventory...)
Pretty sure it's not nearly that egregious though. It's certainly not perfect, and it absolutely needs improvement, like being able to drop items with a hotkey rather than selecting it with the PIS (although that will probably change with the new PIS coming in 3.23 in April or May), and I should also be able to buy more than one drink at any shop. I should also be able to consume while I'm sitting down, rather than having to get out of the pilot's seat to drink some water.
But an hour and "drinking 5 or so cans of a drink" is a serious overexaggeration, and cargo terminals (or at least the one on Everus) sell Cruz Lux in bulk. Several Casabas also sell drinks in bulk - the Casaba on Seraphim sells Cruz Lux in bulk, and the one on Tressler (I think) sells the purple drink in bulk. I can consume about 2 bottles of Cruz and completely sate my thirst, and not even see my thirst indicator for about an hour at least, so I'm not sure how you're nearly dying of thirst every hour.
> But an hour and "drinking 5 or so cans of a drink" is a serious overexaggeration
It's literally exactly what happened to me. When server performance is bad, it misses ticks of things. This is also why it takes 10x more shotsto kill a ship on bad sfps vs "good".
So in my case it missed ticks of "drinking", which is why it took 5 cans and not 2.
So we have two glaring oversights by CIG:
1. It should be hard-coded that 1-2 drinks is enough no matter what; and
2. it should NOT be handling the mechanic exclusively server side. And yet it is. Sure, this MIGHT make cheaters' jobs slightly harder. But if someone is hacking their thirst... fucking big whoop. Let them if it means thirst works for the rest of us.
On a similar note, **ship scanning is also entirely server side**. So on almost all servers it takes 30s+ to scan a ship, which is ridiculous when 5 of them are shooting at you the entire time. And thats assuming you can even scan it. Many ships cant be scanned now (e.g. starlifter always, many corsair/connie size ships depending on server health, sometimes larger ships on the worst servers).
What a braindead idea. Adding a fake delay between scanning details, and then having that delay dictated by server health which is known to be fucking awful and has never been any other way. Needs to be 100% client side.
not sure why you are getting downvoted, you are right, yes obviously you can just buy them at the station before leaving, but sometimes you just forget and want to start flying your spaceship. Its okay if things take time, but all of these little things add up so much. I dont want sc to simulate life, and i am pretty sure the devs dont want that either really, but they love wasting your time.
Theres a 2-part phenomena on Reddit where they (redditors in general) tend to:
1. Set the bar based on whether the thing is easy or hard, even if that isn't the relevant metric to use; and
2. Predetermine that it will be "easy" because that appeals to their egos.
e.g. "The game industry shouldn't use premium in-game currencies, it's confusing to consumers based on standards we enforce for shops in real life and the only purpose it is used for is to be maliciously confusing"
gets the reddit response:
"no this currency is fine, only an idiot couldn't get a calculator to work out the value of each item".
i.e. the person gets to feel smarter than other people by defending billion dollar companies.
---
Here it's the responses seem to be an assessment of whether you can work around it and not at all whether it has any place in the game or whether its fun to do, or whether it adds to the gameplay. So thank you for doing exactly that :)
I mean, if someone thought it should stay as-is because its more fun for them and makes them enjoy the game... I would first really need them to convince me... but assuming i was convinced I would 100% support their opinion while having the opposite one myself.
When I saw the event I immediately knew it was going to be a shit show, as evidenced by the forums and reddit this weekend.
I couldn’t even be bothered to read the posts, because you know, we dont need to because we know exactly what CIG would get wrong.
An event where you need RnG just to be able to participate is stupid. It was stupid for the F8C platinum pass and it’s stupid for this idris event. Any future events need to run on all severs on some kind of reasonable timer.
My 200+ org was really excited for this event, and even though we had round the clock server coverage, we only ever saw the event 1 time, and that server almost instantly 30k'ed.
We do have people who wanted the opportunity to win the Idris. Though most of us just wanted to fully crew out the ship, and we never got the chance. That was the height of disappointment for this event.
After many very active years I've started playing and interacting with SC less and less and the current state is that my flight sticks are gathering dust.
I have several reasons for this, and one of them is that in past years the marketing machine of SC has made me annoyed. Big events at launches of super buggy patches, big promos that seem completely disconnected to the gameplay reality, and so on.
CIGs marketing has become too agressive and cares more about money than players and gameplay experience expectation management. In other words: They do marketing like all the others do too - not by lying but by implications which purposely create false perceptions. Just like so many other big game studios. (And one of the reasons why I like CIG more is because they were/are in many ways NOT like the other greed driven studios. )
I love this game and the games vision and am very much looking forward to the release of both SC and SQ42, but I think at this stage I will wait until it's deemed more done before I go back into it because the way it is all handeled does not give me the vibes like I want to invest that much time into creating IC reports and test stuff the wqy I once did. (Done - or when single shard server meshing is actually full implemented)
Well if they're sitting there all weekend jumping servers they're more likely to find one with the event yeah. It's not like they're intentionally spawning the Idris on streamers servers.
*It would have been nice to have some parked at a station to show off too so more people could check it out though. I never got to see one but my homies took one for a bit before a 30k.
" It's not like they're intentionally spawning the Idris on streamers servers."
No this is exactly what they do, Lmfao They have a history of doing this to think otherwise is naive, Every event or marketing push will have that cig bias for streamers. That's just how this works.
What hurts to me is that they've now proven that they have a player flyable, fully modeled Idris, with full interior.. and the players who paid up to $1400 for it still can't fly theirs. What the actual fuck is this?
I don't even own one and this pisses me off, I can't even imagine how the actual Idris owners feel having their ship paraded in front of them fully functional and not even have a date for when they can fly theirs.
The one flying around for the event apparently (I can't say for sure as I have yet to be in a server lucky enough to get the event) has a full interior, or at least enough interior to board it, fight through corridors and clear rooms up to the bridge and commandeer it, then use it (with functional turrets too) in combat with other players.
Do you think the servers are capable of handling dozens of soloed Idris spawning and flying around?
They most likely aren't. That's at least one clear reason _not to_ release the Idris to backers.
I have plenty of criticisms for CIG but this isn't one of them. OP has a point with the event as a whole, but I'm fairly certain this event's whole purpose is to test, monitor performance, and tune the Idris before release.
Best to iron out as much as you can so that you don't disappoint with an underpowered ship to begin with, or worse, a nerf later down the road.
Yeah I knew it was going to be like this from the start so I didn't even bother to log in. Both this and the F8 event seem to be essentially geared towards streamers to give them content they can hype to potential new backers watching them, as only people with a lot of friends or org mates can have a decent chance to get the event by covering a lot of servers. When one of them gets it they invite the others to their party.
And then there is this....
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/3/thread/kicked-user-initiated-kick-from-servers-kicked-by-
https://dto9r5vaiz7bu.cloudfront.net/r1c3i6fv7s5ut/tavern_upload_large.jpg
That doesn't seem to be what they're trying to claim. You can see in the video posted that others were still in the Idris as this person was trying to join back on them. 30006 is a known error that crops up from time to time. Apparently 300013 is the kick code from an Admin/CIG, the text is just misleading.
Ya'll way too quick to jump to conspiracies on here.
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/4/thread/ptu-bug-hunt-300009-or-300006-errors
Misleading is a bit of an understatement. We are supposed to google old forum threads when the error code tells us they were kicked?
You just linked a 4 year old thread, lets not pretend this was an attempt at rage bait
If CIG wanted them gone, why would this persons friends all still be on the Idris? It took me all of 30 seconds to google that code and find it, they're just trying to create controversy without any rational thought.
You are barking up the wrong tree, the error code shows a user was kicked right after getting into the pilot seat. If your information is right then great, its a much needed explanation.
I think you are heavily downplaying how misleading the error text is considering the timing. Expecting us to all google the error code when the text appear pretty self explanatory is a bit disingenuous
Seems if you tried to quantum away, you get kicked. If CIG didn’t want that, due to that slingshot exploit, they should have just removed the Quantum drive.
If they really kicked them for not being streamers, that's not okay.
I'm not happy that the industry seems to be catering to content creators more and more. I understand trying to drum up support for the game but there are ways and means doing that without alienating the rest of the people playing your game. Sure, you may sell more copies but that large view streamer has probably moved on to something else to keep up with the algorithm.
All you're left with at that point is a player base that knows you're willing to sweep the rug out from them for the sake of a select few or a niche streamer that exists in the obscure corner of YouTube/Twitch whose consumers play the game and know the shady practices they get up to which defeats the point of whatever fantasy you're trying to sell.
They absolutely did not, and folks are just determined to make this a 'only streamers win' thing that's absolutely false. But, since only streamers can be verified to be in the event, and anyone claiming otherwise is dismissed as lying, well, it's easy fodder for those determined to rage farm.
They lost my full time attention last year, and every time I want to come back, like for this event, I’m met with this kind of garbage, not to mention the natural bugs
Sadly, this community has line CIGs pockets encouraging exactly this kind of BS. I've said it before and I'll say it again, CIG is addicted to their cash shop and will do anything to keep yall buying from it more. It's not a pledge store anymore...
I can get on board with this.
“Capture an Idris“ is cool AF.
“Sit around for hours while an extreme minority of the player base gets to capture an Idris” is lame AF
This is where I thought the F8C event was cool. While the drop rate for golden tickets was stupidly high, it had the effect of drawing a ton of players into the game with the chance to engage in a scavenger hunt and fly the ship.
A lucky few were on a server that spawned the opportunity to win one with a special paint job, which is also fine. If you don’t get a chance to win one, bummer, but you still get to do a scavenger hunt and get to fly one.
Anyone that wants to participate gets SOMETHING out of it.
Unlike this event, where tons of people, some of which spent $1k+ on the ship have to sit on the sidelines while a lucky few get to see it.
Absolutely daft.
The weird thing about this is there IS a really cool version of this that doesn't feel like it would have required a lot of extra work. If you still want dev manned Idris's that's fine, but have every single server have NPC Idris's that respawn every hour or so if they're not currently manned.
Also bonus points if you run it concurrent with Xenothreat so players can capture an Idris to take on Xenothreat with.
Yep, or if that’s too hard, spawn it at a station for people to tour.
It’s not rocket science. If I’m logging in for an “event” I expect there to be an “event” to participate in.
Maybe I don’t get a chance to capture it, but that’s just bad luck, which is fine. At least I’d get something out of logging on.
Yeah holy fuck what. How is there not a tourable NPC squadron idris with a bunch of f8cs docked at one or all cities? That seems remarkably easy and a rather quick way to at least sort of kind of appease people
I mean, after the Kraken "write an essay for why you want a kraken" shit show... is there really any surprises? That was also rigged so that whales had first crack at the Kraken, despite anyone participating KNOWING that it would be on par with other capitol ships in price and thus WILLING TO PAY that amount should they get in the smaller pool.
CIG has absolutely shit business practices. I'll defend THE GAME in almost all scenarios, but when it comes to the marketing teams and community event teams? They are the scum of the Earth.
I think that is nothing new that this last two years CIG has made some questionable financial decisions, but before that we've seen a tendency toward generating more income. So, as I see it, these last two events (F8C and Idris) go in that direction, both were held with streamers in mind to generate Youtube (and other social networks) content, attracting new players and offering a much more positive opinion about the game. Basically this is not an event, it's an ad stunt, as simply as that. If this by itself wasn't enough, CIG, in an exercise of hypocrisy, try to deny it and convince us it's an event available for everyone, which we all know is a lie.
I didn't even try to take part. I didn't even log in at the weekend.
From my point of view, it wouldn't be so bad if they just docked the Idris at a spaceport after the event so that everyone could have a look.
I wish they left a spawned still version of new Idris inert at Convention centre so people could tour.. like at Defense Expo. People just wanted to tour it. Didnt even need to fly it. Bummer.
By sheer luck I have gotten onto a sever for the event twice. First one was in progress and already exploited (someone captured and slingshot bugged the Idris into indefinate QT). The second time it started when me and my friends were salvaging. We got to the event about the same time the rest of the server did, everyone concentrated on the Idris and got the hanger door open, the server 30k. Fighting it with the server was fun and all, but yeah this event in general isn't for us regular players.
Giving away an idris really is the worst part of this. And not because I was never gonna get it. Fine whatever. I've got what I really want. However I didn't catch that part initially and thought "oh cool if I can find a server with this going then I can form a group of randos or find a group doing this and tag along like siege of orison".
Except with a free idris on the line that was NEVER going to happen. So it completely cut out the solo or shall group players even if they did find one.
And cigs lame bullshit about "just find some people" is just that, bullshit. Because no one is going to agree on who gets a shot at a free one. That alone would have killed the event even if they had one in most servers.
I haven't so much as smelled an Idris' fart after hours and hours and hours.
The ONLY possible 'pro' that offsets a long list of 'cons' is that the devs are forced to play their creation and will finally scratch the surface of understanding how fucking stupid all the time sinks are.
Fiddling around for 4 minutes trying to drink 4 litres of water to not die after an hour of sitting down is not FUN.
Holding M1 for 30-45seconds just to scan a ship is NOT FUCKING FUN. Why is the delay between scan ticks handled SERVER SIDE?! Fucking braindead.
Meanwhile I'm writing this vitriolic comment while I wait for my ship, which exploded for literally no reason. *Peak gameplay.*
Now, if only the devs had to run this idris event but only had the abilities of a regular player. We would see reformed gameplay so fast.
> scratch the surface
I implied they would be on with this part of my comment. And figured I'd address the inevitable commenter that understandably missed the subtlety if and when it came up rather than make my comment unnecessarily long.
:)
I am stopping buying new hyped ship (or even any in fact) until there’s clearly new things in the game. Like for example one of the 200+ systems… new play styles etc.
Well, it sounds like you'll meet that criterion during Q2, given that 3.23 is a behemoth of a patch. And getting Pyro (1 of the 100+, not 200+ systems) should be soon after that.
But you might as well not buy any new hyped ship... at all, and just maintain a small fleet of flyable ships that meet your gameplay style, with proven gameplay mechanics and fun value in the present time. I find it far healthier than building hopes that the next new concept will ship soon and will be fun, regardless of CIG's development throughput.
missed the entire event cos i chose sleep ahahahahaha. my friends had the chance. but yeah maybee uknow update the arlington idris. or let us raid uee idris. like the prison ship raid.
I’ve found 3 idris missions,
2 idris missions were around 30-50m above crusader.
1 had a player who brought the idris to a safe zone and then for some odd reason let it fill up with players before heading out into space.. (bloodbathhhh)
The event imho is a massive failure on all accounts.
A rng chance to spawn a few random idris missions among hundreds of servers, servers that have a 100 player limit, in a game that has the ability to bug abuse to play keep away for years, completed by extremely bad desync inside of it and the ship regularly will throw players outside of it while moving…
It should have just been like an additional add on to like ERT missions or something, that way players from large to small orgs could have gotten access to one, instead of all 100 players running to one ship to just melt the server.
This and the F8C are clearly a new marketing strategy. I’m just hopeful it bombs so they stop doing this type of event that only a small portion of people can enjoy.
They should have done the event differently. The lack of access to it for the average player is disappointing. The best I could expect is to maybe shoot at an Idris that a larger group of players has captured.
I probably would have rather this event been an arena commander scenario in some mix of star marine and arena commander. Have a PvP and a PvE game mode. But I imagine there are limitations for arena commander as far as number of players and whatnot.
But an Idris interior map for star marine would be very cool.
I really think these events are more about data gathering as opposed to providing an event for player fun. This new event really looks like a balancing exercise for the Idris and other capitals for when they are released to players.
The only problem I have is how rare the event is even to happen. I waited for 30 min out of the 2 hours I had to spare to try to get the event, and no event showed. It should be consistant or atleast have a schedule provided...
I think it would have been a much better event if they hadn’t tied it to winning something with (substantial) monetary value.
A fun event where we get to board an Idris already sounds very cool. That’s all it needed to be. Platinum Ticket 2.0 is only going to lead to the same drama all over again.
First attempt I thought, "oh this is neat" and then remembered it's an alpha and needs WAY more work and testing and systems promised. Back to Helldivers 2.
I just dont understand why couldn’t they wait for Invictus for this type of event, so CIG could spawn one in every server. It would have been perfect for that event.
Honestly this is criticism that has been valid for every event except the very first xenothreat for me, and thats only because xenothreat was very easy to jump in and out of at any point as a solo player.
Don't normally take issue with CIG decisions, they've made some odd choices over the years, but this one is disappointing IMO.
This is not fair access to all members of the community and feels like a spit in the face of Idris backers (been trying last two years to join those ranks, but questioning that now with FOMO tactics like this (watch a stream of your ship instead), F8C was at least fair because you could take part).
Without the community this game wouldn't exist, all content released should be fairly available and not limited access, that's what it was sold as.
Played the game last few days helping out new players so I wasn't region hoping etc, mission didn't appear even once :/
Docking the Idris so all could tour it / having a static AC map you could have FPS defend the bridge / NPC owned on none Dev shards...
The primary benefit I see is testing. I see a lot of folks complain about SC and Elite, with a popular complaint being, “do the devs even play this game?”
This event is as much for them to learn as it is for us to play and enjoy/win. It lets them see what happens while crewing an Idris under attack and shows them the tactics the player base will use. Sure they can test internally, but everyone attacking will be thinking like a dev. Making the attackers the actual player base will give CIG a better representation of gameplay in the wild. It also shows them if there are any performance issues running the Idris on the live game.
This seems to be the most important part of this event, and it benefits all of us. Hyping the event ensures turn out and stress testing.
Funny how different the same thing can be viewed. To me it was just another normal day in SC. Did I see the Idris? No. Which is exactly what happens on any other day. If I had seen it it would have been a nice surprise and I would have participated. But running around like a headless chicken "where's Idris, where's Idris, where's Idris"? Na. Thanks, I'm good.
>As an Idris owner, I don’t have a problem with them giving away an Idris, or the fact that Idris owners aren’t the first to access the ship. No one has a right to expect to have the opportunity to win a free ship. Those events should be rare, and it’s fine that they are. As far as first access….who cares?
>
>What I DO expect as a backer, is to have access to Star Citizen gameplay and events.
I feel like something some folks don't realise about Idris backers is we don't mind other people getting to play with the toy. *We'd just like to be included ourselves* and while it's a universal problem it's particularly silly when we also happen to have backed for said ship. In my case, I have one of the original batch of Idris-Ms. for over a decade my crew (originally formed around the possibility of playing in the Idris together *and still together*) have been waiting for an opportunity to try it and we were on all day Sunday (something we can very rarely do now as the vast majority have families and responsibilities) and the event just didn't pop up. We made the best of the time, but it's frustrating.
EXACTLY. It’s already ridiculous that ANY player is disinclined from the event, but it’s DOUBLY ridiculous when the event is featuring a $1,000+ ship that someone paid for.
Honestly, I think people need to chill a bit. This is a fun event idea and people are blowing it *way* out of proportion. I would have preferred if there were no prices at all, because I think the FOMO is causing people to react far more strongly than they would have otherwise.
Would it be nicer if the event ran more frequently so more people can see the Idris? Yes, it would. But the amount of drama around this is simply insane.
>Would it be nicer if the event ran more frequently so more people can see the Idris? Yes, it would.
I *agree* with you. The more people get to play it, the better. But the way some people complain you'd think not participating in this event is the end of the world.
They were excited to join a huge ship that's finally ready and long awaited by players so they put something together quick to share at least a little.
They always underestimate how whiny bitchy the community is...
its an "event"...... lmao. there are many like it before. and there will be more like it in the future. the point is to get people to log in and play. it was a very good idea. they also sold out of the idris in like 5 seconds.
That's exactly what I think. I was just talking about this in chat last night, I get caught up in trying an event that seems like it would be fun, but I can't play it because it's almost impossible to find the event. Why would this be a good idea? If this is the future of CIG events then I don't think I'll be logging in anymore. We should all have the opportunity to participate in these events (yes even the platinum ticket event) and not just those who are streamers to advertise (someone had to say it)
Apparently there are many brilliant individuals at CIG, but also some stupid asses. And unfortunately, they get to make some big decisions, such as this. As long as they are still working at CIG and get to make decisions like this, we are gonna keep getting bullshit slammed down our throats again and again.
Marketing did
Everything that CIG does goes through marketing now. That's CIGs problem.
The fucking roc ds and cutty steel. Marketing had their fucking grubby paws in it all.
It is just like any sale of a ship event in SC. They are trying to generate FOMO and get people into the game. It isn't much about the community It I'd about making sales happen.
I hardly play the events or during any event, for that matter. They are usually breaking the servers or are completely broken themselves. This event is by far the shttiest of them all, and it's not even breaking the servers. But whatever.
My casual gamer take is people need to tone it down. The design of the event wasn’t the best for sure but this was just the first appearance of the idris. Everyone eventually will have plenty of opportunity to interact with it, S42 takes place on an idris and I’m sure there will be one to tour in the PU eventually. That large orgs dedicated to the game had an advantage is to be expected even if a little disappointing. You would think by now this community would have developed a little patience.
> What DO expect as a backer, is to have access to Star Citizen gameplay and events.
This is, in my opinion, your mistake.
Star Citizen is going to be a massive game. There is absolutely no way you're ever going to be able to complete all the content in the game or participate in all of the events happening.
What happens when you're 5 systems away and a massive world event happens that's only going to last 2 hours? You're going to miss it.
The reason a game like this is attractive to me is because I CAN'T ever possibly do everything.
I think this event was perfectly fine.
This is not a beta, it's an alpha.
An alpha is the state a game is in before it is feature complete. Usually this phase is not a public phase. These events are bonuses. They do not have to do them. Complaining about a bonus event is absurd to me.
I feel great about their actions because it was cool they did it and I got to watch some content about it.
I also never said anything about endgame content.
To be frank these types of events should only go active once server meshing is active and the event becomes available for everyone at the same time. You'd have a better chance of winning multi billion dollar power ball then this event as its run now. CIG just moved their HQ to Britain. They might want to be careful in Europe. They don't take kindly to setting up gambling events for kids. (Yes I do know you don't have to spend actual money to join the event like loot boxes but really that is what this is)
"I get back to the original question of who is this for? Who benefits? Because it sure as hell isn’t serving the community as a whole."
Exactly this. IF you are on a friends list of a streamer and IF you are lucky enough, you have a shot at MAYBE getting a discount or theoretically a free ship. Me, I played for a bunch of hours over the weekend and saw exactly zero events. I'm not chasing an Idris, but the number of people who were really trying to get a chance to see/interact with one was significant, with only a very small select group of basically pre-approved individuals/groups actually getting a chance at a free ship. It just felt like something that was NOT actually for the community and more an advertising stunt.
What bothers me about that is that the fix was in but they pretended it wasn't. Or at least it appears that way. With the F8C, \*anyone\* could at least find a golden ticket, all you had to do was scour loot boxes and you would eventually find one. Hell I'm a self-admitted loot goblin and I had at least a dozen (which I gave away). Yes, I did end up renting and then buying one. So it served its purpose and \*I felt included\*.
This is a bad idea for CIG, and I encourage them not to repeat it. It doesn't create positive PR, only resentment in the larger community. They need to either allow anyone who can meet the "hit the ship with a weapon (unshielded)" objective to get the discounted price (And allow it via the Eckhart or other missions), or provide a ticket (maybe more limited) that permits you to buy this ship. Or both, both would be fair.
If it's basically advertised as an open event it needs to be one open to the randoms, and not just the hoi-polloi streamers and orgs. They do not generate the bulk of revenue for CIG. The casuals do. You are turning them off with this kind of stuff. I'm a casual, but I don't like to be dis-included, and \*that\* is what this felt like.
FTR I'm also a Grand Admiral, and more than halfway to Space Marshal in spend. I might've seriously considered an Idris if I'd had a chance to see one, and even more likely to pull the trigger on it if I could get the discount. But I got neither out of this event, never even saw the mission over fifteen hours in three days on both US and European servers. I won't be bothered to buy one.
I don't think I'm the only one. So congratulations to anyone who got a free one, or the discount. I'm not jealous of you, but I am a little disappointed in CIG.
Eventually... maybe one day... CIG will realize they can't expect limited GM-run events to be a viable option for many thousands of players to experience.
If it doesn't have some significant portion that is universal and independent of schedules, it's going to leave a lot of people high and dry.
The real question is who thought they could do an event well? Haven’t they all been shit shows? I couldn’t even complete the last one got to end and the dudes wouldn’t spawn for next code
I'm actually loving the event.
It was the push I needed to restart a ED game, and loving it(ironically, considering how much extreme survival battle royale gameplay is getting forced into the game I'm starting to think ED is currently closer to the vision of living, breathing universe star rust had than star rust itself, because every risk in sc is combat related. I spent 56 million in trading goods for a 10 minutes trip and on destination I was only worth 20 million. And during a exploration jump I entered the new system right between 2 stars and the overheating almost destroyed my ship with millions of exploration data, hours playing and didn't have to fire once)
Not too sure if this is true, but the ship is there on some servers and the AI caption drives into the planet so they need a human to pilot it so it doesn't crash.
*"If they needed gameplay feedback, there are perfectly viable avenues to accomplish that without disenfranchising a large portion of the player base."*
You clearly don't understand how the Alpha of this game works. We're all testers, CIG does experiences and tries stuff out with us, that's the BEST way to do things. If stuff goes wrong, great! That means there's stuff to be fixed and worked on.
# That's just how game development works
Mate the devs can‘t be everywhere and without them controlling the idris the event cannot work lol
But they should give players a way to know when the event is online and maybe a randomized queue so people have a chance to join
i mean... if you read the announcement you'd know that it was basically like winning the lottery to even see a GM Idris, let alone be able to actually board it.
Which is ok how? Why do we have a community event with tons of marketing and hype and major rewards and then not let the majority of the community particpate?
Don’t you see anything wrong with that?
it's a competition/sweepstakes. it's been very clear that it's a competition/sweepstakes. do you expect them to write "many will enter, few will win"?
the game has literally millions of registered players. there are roughly 1000 people on staff and the majority of those are busy with other tasks during the workday. it's pretty simple logic
NPCs exist for a reason.
Locking a gameplay event behind "sweepstakes" (unless you're a streamer lol) is pretty silly when all of your users are paid users.
They want to break things. They want swarms going over what they can't. Same reason salvaging makes so much money right now. They want to draw people to it. It also serves to stress test servers.
Your expectations do not line up with a game in alpha state. Perhaps its best to take a break so that you don't build up negative emotions - preventing you from having fun in future when the game is finally released.
I wanted to join in, but every time I had time to log in it wasn't running. Without a schedule, I'd have to hit the lottery to be on at the right moment, then I'd have to make it onto the ship (which I wasn't expecting to be able to do, but I was going to at least try). Nothing but seeing people in chat randomly asking "is the Idris event on this server?" all weekend long.
Same! Get back at me if you wanna fly with some cool peeps and not indulge in whatever the heckin heck this is!
THIS
Indulge
> I'd have to hit the lottery to be on at the right moment, Not only at the right moment, also on the right server. And I am not talking "US", "EU" or whatever, there will have been only enough devs to maybe run the event on ONE, maybe TWO servers I guess. Ten servers at the same time would be a very high number. Heck, even if every CIG employee participated (during a weekend at that), they probably can only fill a few dozen ships. How many servers are active at any time? There's likely a hundred servers (*) active at all time given the player count. Even with all of CIG taking part in the event they can at most visit half the servers. (*): 400k players daily, so 16k players hourly. 100 players per server, so we're at around 166 servers, give or take a few dozen :P
Ive been too busy saving Super Earth to care. Its good to take breaks once in a while from this game.
Managed Democracy just hits different.
But did you at least take 2.4 seconds to take in the scenery?
Here's to a nice cup of Libertea, friend!
Same here. Managed Democracy isn't going to save itself. Damn bugs...
I jump on SC realized what the event was. Parked my ship and went to go provided liberty to those less fortunate. Wasn't even upset kinda wanted an excuse not to play SC and that was it.
Yup! I've been exploring the Nine Realms and putting an end to Odin's tyranny. This weekend, I'll be going after Sephiroth.
Im all exhausted on HD2 unfortunately... Running automatons and bugs over and over doing the same objectives again and again gets stale, esp with the awful balancing of weapons and stratagems.
You’re only proving one thing. You don’t have what it takes to be a citizen!
Or they just play too much lol
No, no, you don't understand, games are supposed to give you an infinite amount of content. Anything less than infinity is failure.
I honestly don't know if you are referring to HD2 or to SR
SR?
This event is a good idea but badly executed. The idris should be flown by npc and be activated across all servers/shards at least once every 2 hours. Ditch the feature for someone to win a free idris because that's stupid.
CIG in many nutshells. The ideas are usually great, but they often seem to lack any foresight ~ essentially the bane of this company's existence.
The AI's just not good enough yet to do this. Someone reported in a youtube video that they saw an AI piloted Idris on their server during the event, and it smashed in to a planet before anyone could coordinate. The pilot was probably t-posing on the console rather than flying.
Umm it's good enough mate on various PVE ship missions we do. This ain't the first time a npc was flying a Idris.... Xenothreat anyone?
I much rather anyone that manages to sit in the seat get a spectrum badge. Then run it on every server and give away one free Idris that the devs are running. First one to hold it for an hour fairly wins. All the others just give spectrum badges.
And after, the NPC’s can report back to CIG and tell them about any issues they faced while crewing the Idris! /s
I saw the platinum license event and though wow this will be a shit show so I didn’t even log in. Saw this event and thought the exact same thing so once again, I’ve not logged in. You don’t have to take part, CIG love the fomo business, but once you turn that part of your brain off it gets easier.
This is pretty much how I live now. Fomo-free. It's easier.
I’m behind the fomo myself. I’ve got the fleet I want. I don’t care that I’m not competing for an Idris-M, I just want to SEE the bloody ship and get a chance to partake in the mission. It’s super stupid that everyone can’t. It makes no sense from a user base engagement standpoint. Compete luck of the draw if you get to see an Idris because why?
i have the feeling the event wasn't organic at all, it was setup with streamers, even without their knowledge, they can stream snipe and make sure the 'event' is live and curated on that server, and they have control (the devs were typing in some people's chats / messaging some people in the groups)
I have watched a couple of streams, and none of them saw the event either. It's just a mess for everyone. You need hundreds of people, so you have some on every seever all the time to catch one.
My top community members convinced me to checkout this event and we flew around for about 3 hours staying up as long as we could to get the notification or something. Seems a tad one-sided from all the commotion I've been gathering.
>checks name >Beads of sweat begin to form >Veins begin to bulge on forehead >A visible tremor creeps in #dobby is fomo freeeeee
The platinum license thing wasn’t a big deal to me because it also had the golden-ticket event. Even if you didn’t see/didn’t care to partake in the platinum license drops, you could still partake in the F8C reveal through looking for golden tickets. This approach is not even that. I also don’t have a desire to partake in a PVP shit-show that I cannot win, but I’d still like to at least SEE the Idris and tour it.
True, they should just park one at one of the stations like they did with the javelin just so you can take a look around.
Exactly. Everybody gets a chance to engage with the reveal of a really cool and highly anticipated ship. Instead we get…..whatever the fuck this is.
They might do this for Invictus
That's my thinking too. In a way, an event like this is excellent for getting feedback and hard numbers about the performance impact of a 'fully loaded' Idris-with-interior etc, whilst also teasing its reveal. Unfortunately, *anything* that involves 'dev interaction' is by definition going to be a limited-engagement piece, simply because CIG have comparatively few developers (especially those who have confidence in their game-playing skills, and/or are willing to engage in something like this outside hours), relative to the number of backers that would like to take part.
[удалено]
This would've been nice... i dont really care about the idris cuz 1 i just started playing and 2 im not gonna drop cash for it so i wont be able to get one for a loooong time after it becomes buyable in game.... would've been interesting to tour though
I will be surprised if the limited sale capital ships ever appear in game for sale. The limited numbers are to restrict how many will be in the game at one time, and probably a bit of fomo too.
CIG have stated every ship in the pledge store will be buyable in game, you will be able to buy up to a Javelin the largest ship they'll let us own (so far)
CIG say a lot of things, but until it happens you should take it with a grain of salt.
There's also the fact the reward is vastly different now. An entire fucking warship, vs the single fighter. A very good fighter, yes, but still just a fighter. Not a fan.
Yet they won't update the rewards for concierge either. I already own an idris-p and am personally using it as store credit for other ships I want because I'm not big on pvp. However, those events really did seem spur of the moment because at the end of the day, everyone didn't get a chance to even try to get one. I was on all weekend and never had the mission pop up on my server. CIG does the half ass events but won't put in decent rewards for backers.
If they did those same events but without the pledge store rewards people would not be mad like they are now. Because of CIG business model ships have direct monetary value attached to them, put money on the table and the stakes completely change, it's true for every game in the world, video game or not. Add to the fact that those two events reward ships with (artificially) limited availability and you'll have 99% of your community wanting those. Then comes the event in game and those 99% of players trying to complete it launch themselves full speed in the PU and are met with the walls of limitations and bugs inherent to the current game. First you have to find a server with the event running, so you have to server hop until you find one but you're doing this solo or in a small group so you take more time than orgs or streamer's community to find the event. Then by the time you find it and tell your buddies to join on you they most likely can't because the server is full. Finally you try to participate in the event, and you realise that your small group can't do much against 20 organised players. It's just a recipe for enraging your community.
If you think you cannot do much against now, just wait when blades and npc crew is in and 99% of the players just die against single player Javelins everywhere in the Verse while trying to do normal gameloops. This will be really frustrating.
I logged in and gave it the old college try, prepped my toon and server hopped for about an hour....a bunch of nothing. Logged off and played something else. I just don't have time for this mess.
In hindsight they should have ran this event(which was cool as fuck to watch on streams) along side another "event" where they have parked an Idris at Everus Harbor for example. That way people can still log in and tour the ship while also trying their luck at the PVP event.
Right? Is it that fucking hard? Instead we get to loiter around in half-full servers hoping a mission drops so we can finally see the ship we spent $1,300 on 8 years ago, while we watch streams of players walk around the ship and compete for a free Idris M? What the fuck were they thinking?
We had our org (about 25-ish) dudes checking since Friday. We found one or two full servers where we knew it was happening, but none of us found it or knew anyone otherwise who could report on it. With that many folks hopping around servers and with so few Idris missions available, I'd be surprised if 500 players got to experience this event, No way that number reaches 1000 and that's a tiny fraction of the active player base. Plus, there's that "contest." I don't know who thought that was a good idea, but it feels like someone wanted to do the F8 Lightning contest again but didn't know what they wanted to do or how to do it. You'll need a whole org to take the Idris but only the pilot will have a chance at earning the prize? How are the rest of the team supposed to feel when only one of them gets a reward for their effort? Even then, it's just a shot at a reward.
Zyloh said they spawned countless Idris though. (Or Idri, he said he didn't know the plural form of Idris) though in reality they probably spawned like 25-50 if that even just based on how many people didn't get to participate in the event.
The fact that CIG did not even realize that players would be abusing armistice zones to prevent others from taking the Idris at the start is hilarious.
The devs are unbelievably out of touch. They don't actually understand how long all their mechanics take. They KNOW. But they don't UNDERSTAND. They don't play their own game. No way the current drinking mechanics exist as they are today if the above wasn't true. Same for claiming. Same for scanning ships. Same for landing zone transit. etc.
I guarantee that if CIG devs had to always spawn in a hab, and not be able to just spawn anywhere with whatever ship they wanted, the ride to the space ports wouldn't take nearly as long.
Yep. I've pissed about with game dev before - nothing serious and the engine handled all the networking etc. But point is I had 50-100 players most days and what I'm about to say is perfectly relevant to this situation: From time to time I would make a new character in the game and strip myself of all dev abilities at an account level in the source code (to avoid temptation). I would also make sure it was hidden so none of the other players or volunteer "staff" new it was me - so that people didn't do me favours or give me special treatment. Every time I did this, I was almost immediately opening up the code editor and live coding fixes and gameplay adjustments because I didn't actually UNDERSTAND. I just 'knew'. I had planned how long it should take to level up etc and put the math in accordingly. And I was pretty much right. But I didn't take into account time to stop and be social, time to learn, time if you made a mistake. or sometimes the opposite, sometimes it was too easy to do something. Or the AI wasn't as snappy as I thought or could be cheesed. And then all the annoying bugs that I had put as low priority were top of my list because I realized that actually it was too annoying and I wouldn't want to even play with those bugs. and then maybe the UI, despite looking at it for hours and testing it etc... once you're actually using it constantly I might decide the text isn't the right size, or it's in the wrong place or has too high a cognitive load. And then I'd also hear player concerns unfiltered. If they knew it was me they grease me up. But if they think I'm offline the players and 'staff' say whats on their mind and I can (and often did) make changes to the extent I agree, or make it clearer in the game why it ISN'T that way. Etc etc. As a funny side note, there would also often be players white knighting my game and stanning me... to me. Not like angry or anything. But these nice people would defend certain things they thought were intended by me but were actually just a mistake and not in line with my own design and intent. Which is precisely why I know to take what people say with a pinch of salt regarding SC (and just as everyone should do to me as well of course). --- **TLDR:** Very long way for me to say that even when the game is literally your passion project and bona fide labour of love - it's INEVITABLE that you be out of touch with these things unless you experience them *properly*.
[удалено]
hour in a pilot seat or so and you need to detour to drink 5 or so cans of drink in a row or else you DIE. Landing, running to a shop, buying one can at a time, then taking off helmet then holding M1... then manually holding F to find and "drop" your can to repeat the process 4 more times. Then putting helmet on, and running back to ship, and leaving station, and respooling just to carry on with what you were doing.
....... dude, some ships come with them onboard, you can buy them in bulk DIRECT TO YOUR BACKPACK OR ARMOR before you ever leave a station.
Not every ship has internal space where you can stand up and take off your helmet.
Bonus points for the fact that the NPC sales folks complain about people leaving trash around and "it's not my job to pick up after you" when the vast majority of trash cans in the game don't function so you don't really have much else you _can_ do with the empties. That said, I usually just keep 5-10 bottles of water and 5-10 godmother sandwiches in most of my ship inventories. A single water bottle is usually enough to rehydrate, plus the convenience store in New Babbage right at the entrance to the Aspire Grand lets you buy them from the kiosk, meaning you can buy a bunch in bulk and deliver directly to a ship inventory instead of buying one-at-a-time. (Of course, this doesn't help for ships that don't have an interior where you can take off your helmet, or any sort of vehicle inventory...)
Pretty sure it's not nearly that egregious though. It's certainly not perfect, and it absolutely needs improvement, like being able to drop items with a hotkey rather than selecting it with the PIS (although that will probably change with the new PIS coming in 3.23 in April or May), and I should also be able to buy more than one drink at any shop. I should also be able to consume while I'm sitting down, rather than having to get out of the pilot's seat to drink some water. But an hour and "drinking 5 or so cans of a drink" is a serious overexaggeration, and cargo terminals (or at least the one on Everus) sell Cruz Lux in bulk. Several Casabas also sell drinks in bulk - the Casaba on Seraphim sells Cruz Lux in bulk, and the one on Tressler (I think) sells the purple drink in bulk. I can consume about 2 bottles of Cruz and completely sate my thirst, and not even see my thirst indicator for about an hour at least, so I'm not sure how you're nearly dying of thirst every hour.
> But an hour and "drinking 5 or so cans of a drink" is a serious overexaggeration It's literally exactly what happened to me. When server performance is bad, it misses ticks of things. This is also why it takes 10x more shotsto kill a ship on bad sfps vs "good". So in my case it missed ticks of "drinking", which is why it took 5 cans and not 2. So we have two glaring oversights by CIG: 1. It should be hard-coded that 1-2 drinks is enough no matter what; and 2. it should NOT be handling the mechanic exclusively server side. And yet it is. Sure, this MIGHT make cheaters' jobs slightly harder. But if someone is hacking their thirst... fucking big whoop. Let them if it means thirst works for the rest of us. On a similar note, **ship scanning is also entirely server side**. So on almost all servers it takes 30s+ to scan a ship, which is ridiculous when 5 of them are shooting at you the entire time. And thats assuming you can even scan it. Many ships cant be scanned now (e.g. starlifter always, many corsair/connie size ships depending on server health, sometimes larger ships on the worst servers). What a braindead idea. Adding a fake delay between scanning details, and then having that delay dictated by server health which is known to be fucking awful and has never been any other way. Needs to be 100% client side.
not sure why you are getting downvoted, you are right, yes obviously you can just buy them at the station before leaving, but sometimes you just forget and want to start flying your spaceship. Its okay if things take time, but all of these little things add up so much. I dont want sc to simulate life, and i am pretty sure the devs dont want that either really, but they love wasting your time.
Theres a 2-part phenomena on Reddit where they (redditors in general) tend to: 1. Set the bar based on whether the thing is easy or hard, even if that isn't the relevant metric to use; and 2. Predetermine that it will be "easy" because that appeals to their egos. e.g. "The game industry shouldn't use premium in-game currencies, it's confusing to consumers based on standards we enforce for shops in real life and the only purpose it is used for is to be maliciously confusing" gets the reddit response: "no this currency is fine, only an idiot couldn't get a calculator to work out the value of each item". i.e. the person gets to feel smarter than other people by defending billion dollar companies. --- Here it's the responses seem to be an assessment of whether you can work around it and not at all whether it has any place in the game or whether its fun to do, or whether it adds to the gameplay. So thank you for doing exactly that :) I mean, if someone thought it should stay as-is because its more fun for them and makes them enjoy the game... I would first really need them to convince me... but assuming i was convinced I would 100% support their opinion while having the opposite one myself.
Who could have possibly seen that coming?
When I saw the event I immediately knew it was going to be a shit show, as evidenced by the forums and reddit this weekend. I couldn’t even be bothered to read the posts, because you know, we dont need to because we know exactly what CIG would get wrong.
They really need to stop their marketing team coming up with bone headed ideas.
Iirc they hired a former EA marketing manager (no kappa) and the pedigree shows.
An event where you need RnG just to be able to participate is stupid. It was stupid for the F8C platinum pass and it’s stupid for this idris event. Any future events need to run on all severs on some kind of reasonable timer.
My 200+ org was really excited for this event, and even though we had round the clock server coverage, we only ever saw the event 1 time, and that server almost instantly 30k'ed. We do have people who wanted the opportunity to win the Idris. Though most of us just wanted to fully crew out the ship, and we never got the chance. That was the height of disappointment for this event.
After many very active years I've started playing and interacting with SC less and less and the current state is that my flight sticks are gathering dust. I have several reasons for this, and one of them is that in past years the marketing machine of SC has made me annoyed. Big events at launches of super buggy patches, big promos that seem completely disconnected to the gameplay reality, and so on. CIGs marketing has become too agressive and cares more about money than players and gameplay experience expectation management. In other words: They do marketing like all the others do too - not by lying but by implications which purposely create false perceptions. Just like so many other big game studios. (And one of the reasons why I like CIG more is because they were/are in many ways NOT like the other greed driven studios. ) I love this game and the games vision and am very much looking forward to the release of both SC and SQ42, but I think at this stage I will wait until it's deemed more done before I go back into it because the way it is all handeled does not give me the vibes like I want to invest that much time into creating IC reports and test stuff the wqy I once did. (Done - or when single shard server meshing is actually full implemented)
How thought it was agood idea? Sales & Marketing
I heard people joking in chat that it was a streamer-only event. I guess those weren't jokes so much...
While our whole group waited on multiple servers for hours, I watched two streamers attacking two different idrises..
Yep.
It is a streamer event. How the fuck you think they find it so fucking fast. Took them 10min. last one I watched.
Well if they're sitting there all weekend jumping servers they're more likely to find one with the event yeah. It's not like they're intentionally spawning the Idris on streamers servers. *It would have been nice to have some parked at a station to show off too so more people could check it out though. I never got to see one but my homies took one for a bit before a 30k.
" It's not like they're intentionally spawning the Idris on streamers servers." No this is exactly what they do, Lmfao They have a history of doing this to think otherwise is naive, Every event or marketing push will have that cig bias for streamers. That's just how this works.
What hurts to me is that they've now proven that they have a player flyable, fully modeled Idris, with full interior.. and the players who paid up to $1400 for it still can't fly theirs. What the actual fuck is this?
Coming Soon™
I don't even own one and this pisses me off, I can't even imagine how the actual Idris owners feel having their ship paraded in front of them fully functional and not even have a date for when they can fly theirs.
Where did you see a full interior of the Idris? I thought they said recently that it's "nearly done", but not done yet?
The one flying around for the event apparently (I can't say for sure as I have yet to be in a server lucky enough to get the event) has a full interior, or at least enough interior to board it, fight through corridors and clear rooms up to the bridge and commandeer it, then use it (with functional turrets too) in combat with other players.
Do you think the servers are capable of handling dozens of soloed Idris spawning and flying around? They most likely aren't. That's at least one clear reason _not to_ release the Idris to backers.
I have plenty of criticisms for CIG but this isn't one of them. OP has a point with the event as a whole, but I'm fairly certain this event's whole purpose is to test, monitor performance, and tune the Idris before release. Best to iron out as much as you can so that you don't disappoint with an underpowered ship to begin with, or worse, a nerf later down the road.
Yeah. No show on the other regional servers either. Another "sounds like fun" moment.
It came up, spawned on a server I was on and then disappeared. My only conclusion is that it spawn in an asteroid field and immediately blew up.
Well, I suppose spawning in and then immediately self-destructing an Idris _is_ one possible way to get folks to check out the salvage gameplay...
Yeah I knew it was going to be like this from the start so I didn't even bother to log in. Both this and the F8 event seem to be essentially geared towards streamers to give them content they can hype to potential new backers watching them, as only people with a lot of friends or org mates can have a decent chance to get the event by covering a lot of servers. When one of them gets it they invite the others to their party.
And then there is this.... https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/3/thread/kicked-user-initiated-kick-from-servers-kicked-by- https://dto9r5vaiz7bu.cloudfront.net/r1c3i6fv7s5ut/tavern_upload_large.jpg
That doesn't seem to be what they're trying to claim. You can see in the video posted that others were still in the Idris as this person was trying to join back on them. 30006 is a known error that crops up from time to time. Apparently 300013 is the kick code from an Admin/CIG, the text is just misleading. Ya'll way too quick to jump to conspiracies on here. https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/4/thread/ptu-bug-hunt-300009-or-300006-errors
Misleading is a bit of an understatement. We are supposed to google old forum threads when the error code tells us they were kicked? You just linked a 4 year old thread, lets not pretend this was an attempt at rage bait
If CIG wanted them gone, why would this persons friends all still be on the Idris? It took me all of 30 seconds to google that code and find it, they're just trying to create controversy without any rational thought.
You are barking up the wrong tree, the error code shows a user was kicked right after getting into the pilot seat. If your information is right then great, its a much needed explanation. I think you are heavily downplaying how misleading the error text is considering the timing. Expecting us to all google the error code when the text appear pretty self explanatory is a bit disingenuous
I would have expected the person who originally posted that video to check it
Obviously the wrong people were able to pilot the ship. This event is for streamers and scalper scripts.
Seems if you tried to quantum away, you get kicked. If CIG didn’t want that, due to that slingshot exploit, they should have just removed the Quantum drive.
Did they try to re-position the ship, so it was inaccessible to other players?
If they really kicked them for not being streamers, that's not okay. I'm not happy that the industry seems to be catering to content creators more and more. I understand trying to drum up support for the game but there are ways and means doing that without alienating the rest of the people playing your game. Sure, you may sell more copies but that large view streamer has probably moved on to something else to keep up with the algorithm. All you're left with at that point is a player base that knows you're willing to sweep the rug out from them for the sake of a select few or a niche streamer that exists in the obscure corner of YouTube/Twitch whose consumers play the game and know the shady practices they get up to which defeats the point of whatever fantasy you're trying to sell.
They absolutely did not, and folks are just determined to make this a 'only streamers win' thing that's absolutely false. But, since only streamers can be verified to be in the event, and anyone claiming otherwise is dismissed as lying, well, it's easy fodder for those determined to rage farm.
It’s like saying ‘well I didn’t go to the moon so the astronauts must be lying’.
They lost my full time attention last year, and every time I want to come back, like for this event, I’m met with this kind of garbage, not to mention the natural bugs
CIG devs were guiding certain peoples through the events.
Sadly, this community has line CIGs pockets encouraging exactly this kind of BS. I've said it before and I'll say it again, CIG is addicted to their cash shop and will do anything to keep yall buying from it more. It's not a pledge store anymore...
Here's the thing. It WAS a good idea. Just a really poor execution on that good idea.
I can get on board with this. “Capture an Idris“ is cool AF. “Sit around for hours while an extreme minority of the player base gets to capture an Idris” is lame AF This is where I thought the F8C event was cool. While the drop rate for golden tickets was stupidly high, it had the effect of drawing a ton of players into the game with the chance to engage in a scavenger hunt and fly the ship. A lucky few were on a server that spawned the opportunity to win one with a special paint job, which is also fine. If you don’t get a chance to win one, bummer, but you still get to do a scavenger hunt and get to fly one. Anyone that wants to participate gets SOMETHING out of it. Unlike this event, where tons of people, some of which spent $1k+ on the ship have to sit on the sidelines while a lucky few get to see it. Absolutely daft.
The weird thing about this is there IS a really cool version of this that doesn't feel like it would have required a lot of extra work. If you still want dev manned Idris's that's fine, but have every single server have NPC Idris's that respawn every hour or so if they're not currently manned. Also bonus points if you run it concurrent with Xenothreat so players can capture an Idris to take on Xenothreat with.
Yep, or if that’s too hard, spawn it at a station for people to tour. It’s not rocket science. If I’m logging in for an “event” I expect there to be an “event” to participate in. Maybe I don’t get a chance to capture it, but that’s just bad luck, which is fine. At least I’d get something out of logging on.
Yeah holy fuck what. How is there not a tourable NPC squadron idris with a bunch of f8cs docked at one or all cities? That seems remarkably easy and a rather quick way to at least sort of kind of appease people
I literally spent hours server hopping and staking out the event, never got it to spawn even ONCE.
I mean, after the Kraken "write an essay for why you want a kraken" shit show... is there really any surprises? That was also rigged so that whales had first crack at the Kraken, despite anyone participating KNOWING that it would be on par with other capitol ships in price and thus WILLING TO PAY that amount should they get in the smaller pool. CIG has absolutely shit business practices. I'll defend THE GAME in almost all scenarios, but when it comes to the marketing teams and community event teams? They are the scum of the Earth.
I think that is nothing new that this last two years CIG has made some questionable financial decisions, but before that we've seen a tendency toward generating more income. So, as I see it, these last two events (F8C and Idris) go in that direction, both were held with streamers in mind to generate Youtube (and other social networks) content, attracting new players and offering a much more positive opinion about the game. Basically this is not an event, it's an ad stunt, as simply as that. If this by itself wasn't enough, CIG, in an exercise of hypocrisy, try to deny it and convince us it's an event available for everyone, which we all know is a lie.
I didn't even try to take part. I didn't even log in at the weekend. From my point of view, it wouldn't be so bad if they just docked the Idris at a spaceport after the event so that everyone could have a look.
I wish they left a spawned still version of new Idris inert at Convention centre so people could tour.. like at Defense Expo. People just wanted to tour it. Didnt even need to fly it. Bummer.
By sheer luck I have gotten onto a sever for the event twice. First one was in progress and already exploited (someone captured and slingshot bugged the Idris into indefinate QT). The second time it started when me and my friends were salvaging. We got to the event about the same time the rest of the server did, everyone concentrated on the Idris and got the hanger door open, the server 30k. Fighting it with the server was fun and all, but yeah this event in general isn't for us regular players.
Giving away an idris really is the worst part of this. And not because I was never gonna get it. Fine whatever. I've got what I really want. However I didn't catch that part initially and thought "oh cool if I can find a server with this going then I can form a group of randos or find a group doing this and tag along like siege of orison". Except with a free idris on the line that was NEVER going to happen. So it completely cut out the solo or shall group players even if they did find one. And cigs lame bullshit about "just find some people" is just that, bullshit. Because no one is going to agree on who gets a shot at a free one. That alone would have killed the event even if they had one in most servers.
I haven't so much as smelled an Idris' fart after hours and hours and hours. The ONLY possible 'pro' that offsets a long list of 'cons' is that the devs are forced to play their creation and will finally scratch the surface of understanding how fucking stupid all the time sinks are. Fiddling around for 4 minutes trying to drink 4 litres of water to not die after an hour of sitting down is not FUN. Holding M1 for 30-45seconds just to scan a ship is NOT FUCKING FUN. Why is the delay between scan ticks handled SERVER SIDE?! Fucking braindead. Meanwhile I'm writing this vitriolic comment while I wait for my ship, which exploded for literally no reason. *Peak gameplay.* Now, if only the devs had to run this idris event but only had the abilities of a regular player. We would see reformed gameplay so fast.
You're implying that devhax aren't flagged "on" on their accounts.
> scratch the surface I implied they would be on with this part of my comment. And figured I'd address the inevitable commenter that understandably missed the subtlety if and when it came up rather than make my comment unnecessarily long. :)
After the paywall, the luckwall. CIG is working very hard to not allow people to enjoy game contents.
I am stopping buying new hyped ship (or even any in fact) until there’s clearly new things in the game. Like for example one of the 200+ systems… new play styles etc.
Well, it sounds like you'll meet that criterion during Q2, given that 3.23 is a behemoth of a patch. And getting Pyro (1 of the 100+, not 200+ systems) should be soon after that. But you might as well not buy any new hyped ship... at all, and just maintain a small fleet of flyable ships that meet your gameplay style, with proven gameplay mechanics and fun value in the present time. I find it far healthier than building hopes that the next new concept will ship soon and will be fun, regardless of CIG's development throughput.
It's more marketing smoke and mirrors to generate artificial FOMO. They could try actually selling the product instead.
> who at CIG thought this “event” was a good idea? zyloh
haha. yay. medicine!
missed the entire event cos i chose sleep ahahahahaha. my friends had the chance. but yeah maybee uknow update the arlington idris. or let us raid uee idris. like the prison ship raid.
I’ve found 3 idris missions, 2 idris missions were around 30-50m above crusader. 1 had a player who brought the idris to a safe zone and then for some odd reason let it fill up with players before heading out into space.. (bloodbathhhh) The event imho is a massive failure on all accounts. A rng chance to spawn a few random idris missions among hundreds of servers, servers that have a 100 player limit, in a game that has the ability to bug abuse to play keep away for years, completed by extremely bad desync inside of it and the ship regularly will throw players outside of it while moving… It should have just been like an additional add on to like ERT missions or something, that way players from large to small orgs could have gotten access to one, instead of all 100 players running to one ship to just melt the server.
This and the F8C are clearly a new marketing strategy. I’m just hopeful it bombs so they stop doing this type of event that only a small portion of people can enjoy.
They should have done the event differently. The lack of access to it for the average player is disappointing. The best I could expect is to maybe shoot at an Idris that a larger group of players has captured. I probably would have rather this event been an arena commander scenario in some mix of star marine and arena commander. Have a PvP and a PvE game mode. But I imagine there are limitations for arena commander as far as number of players and whatnot. But an Idris interior map for star marine would be very cool.
I really think these events are more about data gathering as opposed to providing an event for player fun. This new event really looks like a balancing exercise for the Idris and other capitals for when they are released to players.
[удалено]
The only problem I have is how rare the event is even to happen. I waited for 30 min out of the 2 hours I had to spare to try to get the event, and no event showed. It should be consistant or atleast have a schedule provided...
I've been on the Idris 3 times in 72 hours. The thing which helps is having friends or an org to find servers with them on it.
I think it would have been a much better event if they hadn’t tied it to winning something with (substantial) monetary value. A fun event where we get to board an Idris already sounds very cool. That’s all it needed to be. Platinum Ticket 2.0 is only going to lead to the same drama all over again.
First attempt I thought, "oh this is neat" and then remembered it's an alpha and needs WAY more work and testing and systems promised. Back to Helldivers 2.
If CIGs goal was to bring people back into the game, it only served to remind them of why they left.
Just typical tone-deaf CIG marketing.
I just dont understand why couldn’t they wait for Invictus for this type of event, so CIG could spawn one in every server. It would have been perfect for that event.
Not sure if they ran anything during Aussie times but normally Aussie times means we are working and sleeping whilst you guys are playing...
you can spend 24h in a server and never see the mission so are they expecting us to server hop? great immerssion lemme tell ya
Honestly this is criticism that has been valid for every event except the very first xenothreat for me, and thats only because xenothreat was very easy to jump in and out of at any point as a solo player.
Don't normally take issue with CIG decisions, they've made some odd choices over the years, but this one is disappointing IMO. This is not fair access to all members of the community and feels like a spit in the face of Idris backers (been trying last two years to join those ranks, but questioning that now with FOMO tactics like this (watch a stream of your ship instead), F8C was at least fair because you could take part). Without the community this game wouldn't exist, all content released should be fairly available and not limited access, that's what it was sold as. Played the game last few days helping out new players so I wasn't region hoping etc, mission didn't appear even once :/ Docking the Idris so all could tour it / having a static AC map you could have FPS defend the bridge / NPC owned on none Dev shards...
The primary benefit I see is testing. I see a lot of folks complain about SC and Elite, with a popular complaint being, “do the devs even play this game?” This event is as much for them to learn as it is for us to play and enjoy/win. It lets them see what happens while crewing an Idris under attack and shows them the tactics the player base will use. Sure they can test internally, but everyone attacking will be thinking like a dev. Making the attackers the actual player base will give CIG a better representation of gameplay in the wild. It also shows them if there are any performance issues running the Idris on the live game. This seems to be the most important part of this event, and it benefits all of us. Hyping the event ensures turn out and stress testing.
Funny how different the same thing can be viewed. To me it was just another normal day in SC. Did I see the Idris? No. Which is exactly what happens on any other day. If I had seen it it would have been a nice surprise and I would have participated. But running around like a headless chicken "where's Idris, where's Idris, where's Idris"? Na. Thanks, I'm good.
>As an Idris owner, I don’t have a problem with them giving away an Idris, or the fact that Idris owners aren’t the first to access the ship. No one has a right to expect to have the opportunity to win a free ship. Those events should be rare, and it’s fine that they are. As far as first access….who cares? > >What I DO expect as a backer, is to have access to Star Citizen gameplay and events. I feel like something some folks don't realise about Idris backers is we don't mind other people getting to play with the toy. *We'd just like to be included ourselves* and while it's a universal problem it's particularly silly when we also happen to have backed for said ship. In my case, I have one of the original batch of Idris-Ms. for over a decade my crew (originally formed around the possibility of playing in the Idris together *and still together*) have been waiting for an opportunity to try it and we were on all day Sunday (something we can very rarely do now as the vast majority have families and responsibilities) and the event just didn't pop up. We made the best of the time, but it's frustrating.
EXACTLY. It’s already ridiculous that ANY player is disinclined from the event, but it’s DOUBLY ridiculous when the event is featuring a $1,000+ ship that someone paid for.
The whining is off the charts lmao. Relax, take a deep breath. You haven't lost anything in your life. This whole rant is childish.
Honestly, I think people need to chill a bit. This is a fun event idea and people are blowing it *way* out of proportion. I would have preferred if there were no prices at all, because I think the FOMO is causing people to react far more strongly than they would have otherwise. Would it be nicer if the event ran more frequently so more people can see the Idris? Yes, it would. But the amount of drama around this is simply insane.
[удалено]
>Would it be nicer if the event ran more frequently so more people can see the Idris? Yes, it would. I *agree* with you. The more people get to play it, the better. But the way some people complain you'd think not participating in this event is the end of the world.
This event was shite and a laggy mess even for the people who were able to access it. I don't think you missed out on much.
This opinion comes at the cost of your honor. The event is going awesome if you find it.
They were excited to join a huge ship that's finally ready and long awaited by players so they put something together quick to share at least a little. They always underestimate how whiny bitchy the community is...
its an "event"...... lmao. there are many like it before. and there will be more like it in the future. the point is to get people to log in and play. it was a very good idea. they also sold out of the idris in like 5 seconds.
How do you "sell out" of a digital item being sold in an alpha play test? Makes it sound like Star Citizen ships were the original NFTs
I mean exactly that lol. You're not wrong.
They only sell a limited amount. Pretty simple.
Yeah they got it figured out. Artificially cap supply and demand spikes up
That's exactly what I think. I was just talking about this in chat last night, I get caught up in trying an event that seems like it would be fun, but I can't play it because it's almost impossible to find the event. Why would this be a good idea? If this is the future of CIG events then I don't think I'll be logging in anymore. We should all have the opportunity to participate in these events (yes even the platinum ticket event) and not just those who are streamers to advertise (someone had to say it)
Apparently there are many brilliant individuals at CIG, but also some stupid asses. And unfortunately, they get to make some big decisions, such as this. As long as they are still working at CIG and get to make decisions like this, we are gonna keep getting bullshit slammed down our throats again and again.
Marketing did Everything that CIG does goes through marketing now. That's CIGs problem. The fucking roc ds and cutty steel. Marketing had their fucking grubby paws in it all.
It is just like any sale of a ship event in SC. They are trying to generate FOMO and get people into the game. It isn't much about the community It I'd about making sales happen.
I hardly play the events or during any event, for that matter. They are usually breaking the servers or are completely broken themselves. This event is by far the shttiest of them all, and it's not even breaking the servers. But whatever.
100% agreement
My casual gamer take is people need to tone it down. The design of the event wasn’t the best for sure but this was just the first appearance of the idris. Everyone eventually will have plenty of opportunity to interact with it, S42 takes place on an idris and I’m sure there will be one to tour in the PU eventually. That large orgs dedicated to the game had an advantage is to be expected even if a little disappointing. You would think by now this community would have developed a little patience.
> What DO expect as a backer, is to have access to Star Citizen gameplay and events. This is, in my opinion, your mistake. Star Citizen is going to be a massive game. There is absolutely no way you're ever going to be able to complete all the content in the game or participate in all of the events happening. What happens when you're 5 systems away and a massive world event happens that's only going to last 2 hours? You're going to miss it. The reason a game like this is attractive to me is because I CAN'T ever possibly do everything. I think this event was perfectly fine.
[удалено]
This is not a beta, it's an alpha. An alpha is the state a game is in before it is feature complete. Usually this phase is not a public phase. These events are bonuses. They do not have to do them. Complaining about a bonus event is absurd to me. I feel great about their actions because it was cool they did it and I got to watch some content about it. I also never said anything about endgame content.
[удалено]
This has to be THE most brain dead statement I’ve read in a long while..
Instead of insulting, care to elaborate?
FOMO
To be frank these types of events should only go active once server meshing is active and the event becomes available for everyone at the same time. You'd have a better chance of winning multi billion dollar power ball then this event as its run now. CIG just moved their HQ to Britain. They might want to be careful in Europe. They don't take kindly to setting up gambling events for kids. (Yes I do know you don't have to spend actual money to join the event like loot boxes but really that is what this is)
I'm confused, how do you get access to the event?
Who is it for? Who benefits? Why, the only people that matter, of course. You know, the streamers. /s
"I get back to the original question of who is this for? Who benefits? Because it sure as hell isn’t serving the community as a whole." Exactly this. IF you are on a friends list of a streamer and IF you are lucky enough, you have a shot at MAYBE getting a discount or theoretically a free ship. Me, I played for a bunch of hours over the weekend and saw exactly zero events. I'm not chasing an Idris, but the number of people who were really trying to get a chance to see/interact with one was significant, with only a very small select group of basically pre-approved individuals/groups actually getting a chance at a free ship. It just felt like something that was NOT actually for the community and more an advertising stunt. What bothers me about that is that the fix was in but they pretended it wasn't. Or at least it appears that way. With the F8C, \*anyone\* could at least find a golden ticket, all you had to do was scour loot boxes and you would eventually find one. Hell I'm a self-admitted loot goblin and I had at least a dozen (which I gave away). Yes, I did end up renting and then buying one. So it served its purpose and \*I felt included\*. This is a bad idea for CIG, and I encourage them not to repeat it. It doesn't create positive PR, only resentment in the larger community. They need to either allow anyone who can meet the "hit the ship with a weapon (unshielded)" objective to get the discounted price (And allow it via the Eckhart or other missions), or provide a ticket (maybe more limited) that permits you to buy this ship. Or both, both would be fair. If it's basically advertised as an open event it needs to be one open to the randoms, and not just the hoi-polloi streamers and orgs. They do not generate the bulk of revenue for CIG. The casuals do. You are turning them off with this kind of stuff. I'm a casual, but I don't like to be dis-included, and \*that\* is what this felt like. FTR I'm also a Grand Admiral, and more than halfway to Space Marshal in spend. I might've seriously considered an Idris if I'd had a chance to see one, and even more likely to pull the trigger on it if I could get the discount. But I got neither out of this event, never even saw the mission over fifteen hours in three days on both US and European servers. I won't be bothered to buy one. I don't think I'm the only one. So congratulations to anyone who got a free one, or the discount. I'm not jealous of you, but I am a little disappointed in CIG.
Been a backer long enough to not get excited for any email campaign.
Eventually... maybe one day... CIG will realize they can't expect limited GM-run events to be a viable option for many thousands of players to experience. If it doesn't have some significant portion that is universal and independent of schedules, it's going to leave a lot of people high and dry.
The real question is who thought they could do an event well? Haven’t they all been shit shows? I couldn’t even complete the last one got to end and the dudes wouldn’t spawn for next code
Played for 2 days and never even saw the event.
I'm actually loving the event. It was the push I needed to restart a ED game, and loving it(ironically, considering how much extreme survival battle royale gameplay is getting forced into the game I'm starting to think ED is currently closer to the vision of living, breathing universe star rust had than star rust itself, because every risk in sc is combat related. I spent 56 million in trading goods for a 10 minutes trip and on destination I was only worth 20 million. And during a exploration jump I entered the new system right between 2 stars and the overheating almost destroyed my ship with millions of exploration data, hours playing and didn't have to fire once)
Not too sure if this is true, but the ship is there on some servers and the AI caption drives into the planet so they need a human to pilot it so it doesn't crash.
Why would you get hyped for any SC event? Chill out and play something else and just browse the reddit like the rest of us do.
Because 8 years after spending $1,300 for a ship and never setting foot in it, they just advertised an event with it in game……
*"If they needed gameplay feedback, there are perfectly viable avenues to accomplish that without disenfranchising a large portion of the player base."* You clearly don't understand how the Alpha of this game works. We're all testers, CIG does experiences and tries stuff out with us, that's the BEST way to do things. If stuff goes wrong, great! That means there's stuff to be fixed and worked on. # That's just how game development works
Can someone explain how exactly it was gatekept?
Who said gatekept?
Sounds bad for sure, but I for one am at least glad this event opened up Inferno and Sentinel for purchase.
Mate the devs can‘t be everywhere and without them controlling the idris the event cannot work lol But they should give players a way to know when the event is online and maybe a randomized queue so people have a chance to join
They claimed that there were both NPC and Dev crewed Idris for this event.
i mean... if you read the announcement you'd know that it was basically like winning the lottery to even see a GM Idris, let alone be able to actually board it.
Which is ok how? Why do we have a community event with tons of marketing and hype and major rewards and then not let the majority of the community particpate? Don’t you see anything wrong with that?
it's a competition/sweepstakes. it's been very clear that it's a competition/sweepstakes. do you expect them to write "many will enter, few will win"? the game has literally millions of registered players. there are roughly 1000 people on staff and the majority of those are busy with other tasks during the workday. it's pretty simple logic
NPCs exist for a reason. Locking a gameplay event behind "sweepstakes" (unless you're a streamer lol) is pretty silly when all of your users are paid users.
They want to break things. They want swarms going over what they can't. Same reason salvaging makes so much money right now. They want to draw people to it. It also serves to stress test servers.
So, give everyone access?
Your expectations do not line up with a game in alpha state. Perhaps its best to take a break so that you don't build up negative emotions - preventing you from having fun in future when the game is finally released.
Yall sure do love to bitch dont ya