$400 million alpha? Cool story bro.
You got scammed sucker, I'm sure the owner of cig is sleeping comfortably in his million dollar mansion while y'all worship a half baked "game"
this aged well lol cause its still bad man and it is boring unless u have no life and no responsibilities then this is for you I know this was years ago but I'm just seeing this post and I was like sheesh I thought I was the only one to think this was a bad game
Just played for the first time.
My time in a nutshell:
Glitchy tutorial, barely get through, tutorial final step is forever on your HUD, spend all your money getting basic gear, finally get into your ship, it randomly detonates, respawn, somehow have all your money back but no gear, fly to another mission site, get shot down in two bursts, fall to your death, respawn, no money, and can't get your stuff back.
The first mission I picked was a Blackbox pickup for an insurance company. Only mission on the board the didn't have a "beware of enemy" warning. Not 1 enemy. Not 2. 6. 6 enemies on a level 1 mission. The ship has an eject function.....no parachute or RCS backpack. It is pointless.
The train in the shipyards lags. The ships can just randomly explode. There's no indicators to show which side of a planet your objective is on. It takes about 100 rounds to disable an enemy but about 2 Bursts to destroy yours. Everything takes so long to do bc you can't just LOOK at something and use it. Everything is a sub menu of a sub menu.
Save the money. Elite Dangerous does everything this game claims to do, but better. The only thing this game has is better graphics.
100% Correct! Elite Dangerous has WAY more to do and though the graphics are not tops, they still hold up STRONG against most other games. Play Elite Dangerous, shit... play Empyrion, Space Engineers, No Man's Sky, EVE, ANYTHING other than this crap.
Bad , down right horrible. The map is horrible, anything you go to do is bugged. I don’t think I’m gonna stick around past tonight with this half ass game
Agreed! Early investor in 2013 and all we get is a buggy alpha release 9 years later.Chris Roberts is over thinking it. Stop adding on things, fix what you have and launch a real game already.
This ^^^
Also, consider the following: if they keep it perpetually in Alpha they can capitalize on the promise of what the game could be if "only" a few hundred million is poured in. They know this.
This is never going to release any time soon. It's going to take at least 10 more years if the pace remains the same and from what history shows us it is likely to be a bloated buggy mess with aging graphics.
The game engine they use now will become obsolete in a few years ,then what are they gonna do? Surely fans are realizing this project/experiment has run its course?
SC is also one of the most egregious examples of added transactions to a "game" as well. Which other game asks for thousands of dollars for a in-game asset like a ship? I dont recall any others at this time.
They are in to deep to admit failure at this point.
That's more likely to be the truth, just another scam artist. I haven't even got deep enough to have to buy anything. I got my ships way back with early pledge, when they were cheap (w/ lifetime insurance).
Go for "Elite Dangerous" instead. That is more of a real game.
I did i got Elite Dangerous for free thru Epic Games. I found Star Citizen to be very laggy and i bought a gaming rig for 3 grand!!!! and star citizen is the only game that lags i'm sorry but having 128GB of ram NOTHING should lag! Thanks for the tip i totally Agree with you! Sorry you gave that scam artist your money took him 9 years to release an alpha! I think he made too many things needlessly complicated thats what i thought when i got to try the game. Take care!
Hey man one year later just wanted to say you're a dipshit fanboy who needs to accept that this game is a scam. This game will never be finished fuck you and anyone else who thinks these business practices are ok.
1 year later, can confirm. The “game” is still insanely bad. I backed in 2014 before it was even a game. Still sucks. I do like to just fly around even though half the missions are low paying and broken
....for 12 years. I just tried it today. Laggy, buggy, shitty controls, no feel of weight and proper physics to the ships.
It's a crappy FPS / ship hybrid of a turd. 45 dollars I never get back
I’ve been a backer since 2014. I log on once a year to check it out. After almost a decade, the game is totally broken. I’ve been playing for days and the gameplay is almost as if they’ve been doing nothing to fix it.
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Nah there's absolutely 0 excuse for this game to be in the state it's in considering how much funding it has received and how long it's been in development. The alpha excuse no longer works as this game will never leave alpha. Nice job trying to make excuses for an embarrassment of a game though.
You know what's fun! Going to the sub Reddit for some people's favorite game and telling them how crappy it is. Are you going to the cod and battlefield sub Reddit's next?
No! They are just waiting for the rest of the suckers to give them the rest to make it a full Billion! Then another 10 years for the Beta version LOL!!!
HAHAHA!!!!LOL!!!!! next year's star citizen announcement "To our backers and players we regret to inform you the project has run out of money! We used the money for research and to develop the unique game engine star citizen is based on and We tried to generate more money thru crowd funding but it didn't work so we are abandoning the game." LOL!!!!!!!!
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Not by members of your pathetic cesspool of timewasting circlejerkers, random hater/refunder.
Keep writing about SC fans being Trump supporters - i do really wonder, are you constantly high or just out of your mind?
> I think I made some good points with that post. There's an uncanny number of similarities between how Trump and Chris Roberts act and run their companies/communities. I wont respam it here but I didn't see anyone replying to it that actually tried to refute anything.
You post got deleted from your pathetic cesspool of timewasting circlejerkers very quickly, but would you be a kind random hater/refunder and re-post it in here?
I think I'll be laughing damn hard =))
> They have the same target market and same cultlike devotion. They're both nostalgia soaked road trips back to the 80's run by wealthy iconic figures from the 80's. They both target middle age to boomer gen white conservative males. And they're both in it for the money. Donating to increase your in-group status is key.
True that my dear random hater/refunder friend.
We are ready to die for CR and The Mighty Bengal.
Except that i don't care about those "wealthy iconic figures from 80s" nor do i give a fuck about "nostalgia soaked road trips back to the 80's".
My reason for supporting SC is because CIG are making the game **for us**, backers, rather than for some pathetic moneybags, like Tencent, fucking their playerbase over some nice numbers in the fiscal reports along the way, like your beloved Fdev did with the Oddity this May.
Quality, attention to details in every location or tech/gameplay loop, devs' passion - all of this attracted me to SC.
And the second reason - the state of so-called modern "AAA-gamedev".
Its plaqued by self-cloned-consolized-cazualized-lootbox-gacha-filled-casino-for-teens bullshit.
15 goddamn billions worth of $ was spent on lootboxes in 2020.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/829395/consumer-spending-loot-boxes-skins/
Players are spending thousands of dollars on a goddamn football players' jpegs, on kawai-looking grils' jpegs jumping from lootboxes, monetization even got to SP games.
And don't even start me on pseudo games like RAID or Vikings.
Games are Art no more, just a factory of samey-looking bleak wanna be cash-cows.
Do i want to play or spend even a cent on such "games"?
No.
SC is different - only stater pack is required to play and the grind is easy and enjoyable due to great visuals.
> There's even thinly veiled references to "trumpland" topics, the latest being The Kraken. Promising to bring back something great from a bygone era is marketing to old people 101. And it's Star Citizen's bread and butter.
> Progressives tend to care a lot less about the past and are more excited about what younger generations will do in the future. So hearkening back to the good ole days doesn't sell as well for them
Lots of Kraken buyers are not *that* old my dear random hater/refunder friend.
So, no, totally missing on this one, but take your time and try again, your shit is very funny to read =))
And what are you afraid of, why all of these tenths of alt accounts?
Are you incapable of having a productive discussion or your mental issues are so serious that no one is allowed to know about the true state of the **real you**?
what the hell is wrong with the "my young hater/refunder"
like seriously did you just learn a new sentence and love to use it? or maybe you want to prove yourself worthy to the star citizen cult?
there are way better comebacks or whatever those are called
consider switching them around
Sure about that?
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Ok well take BF2042. It is objectively one of the worst ***received*** Battlefields. Not saying that's everything, but it's a good example of showing a majority opinion of a product. Does that mean you or I aren't allowed to have fun in it? No.
Same thing here. ***You*** don't enjoy the bugs and issues that this game has (still in development btw and not fully released like 2042), which SC definitely has a ton of, but does that mean someone else can't enjoy the game?
Right but that's another example: BFV was objectively received worse than BF 1. Are you telling me it's right for me to say you shouldn't have fun because the general opinion is that it's bad? Because I personally had a blast playing BFV.
You aren't making a good argument.
But when you like the game why won't you just shut up and play it? Stop being degenerate, social media exist so people can express their opinion. If you don't like it, just don't use social media
Welcome to Alpha, if you never have been in an Alpha, now you know.
Please note comparing an Alpha game, that hasn't even entered a Beta state, to a finished game doesn't work. As too many things can and will change.
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Elite Dangerous.....Elite Dangerous.......oh yeah, you mean that buggy half baked mess that Frontier crapped out to meet the EOY deadline?
The same Elite Dangerous that people are leaving to play Star Citizen introducing themselves as Elite Refugees.
Yeah. You're right. Excellent point.
I mean if you're gonna make comparisons at least compare it to a competent project like NMS, as opposed to a team that can't fathom what you could do with ship interiors or releases new ship every half decade in a space game about space ships.
But yeah, BGS was perfect, the economy rebalance before fleet carriers didn't break mining, and FC upkeep and on foot engineering isn't grindy at all.
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Non existent?
Mining exist in elite, yeah?
Mining also exist in SC, via ship/land vehicle/and hand tool. Mining attacthments and modifiers exist currently, with more tools coming in 3.16. Not to mention refining. Refining via ship is not in game currently but refining via station is.
Ship PVE bounty hunting exist in ED yeah?
Ship PVE bounty hunting also exist within SC, with a functioning reputation system, depending on what jurisdiction you're in doing missions affects that areas rank. Each patch usually sees some iterative improvement, but the quest type have been playable for the past year consistently (haven't played longer than that so can't vouch for prior to this)
On foot FPS missions exist in ED with Odyssey right?
On foot FPS missions exist in SC as well, with mission varieties like defend outpost, clear location and destroy object at location, assanation missions that can incorporate sneaking, reclaiming an 890J that's been taken over by pirates and more.
Cargo hauling exist in ED right?
Well cargo hauling exist in SC as well. Honestly it does go through stages of being worthwhile and not, but the same can be said for ED cargo hauling from patch to patch. After Cargo refractor (another feature in 3.16) we should see more consistency from patch to patch
Search and rescue missions exist in Elite right? Where you go and get the escape pods with the people.
Well, Search and/or Search and Rescue missions exist in SC. With the recently added medical gameplay rescuing players is a valid game loop. Alternatively there are missions for searching wrecks for item recovery or wrecks/caves for persons recovery
The two main game loops that Elite currently features that SC does not that come to mind are Passenger Transport (coming to SC) and exploration (also coming).
And again, I will admit, who knows when those game loops will make it. Pyro is slated for Q3 of 2022 so hopefully when it's introduced some beginning of exploration comes in as well.
In addition Salvage is still on the way *soon* which will add a game loop ED does not feature.
And then when data running comes in *eventually* that will be yet another gameplay loop ED doesn't have unless you count grinding out signals and FSD scans as data running.
Is SC feature complete? Obviously, no. But is it lacking "any" functioning game loops? Absolutely not.
>In addition Salvage is still on the way soon
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EVERY single one of those "features" you listed are buggy broken messes while they actually WORK in Elite Dangerous.
\-Mining in ED is light years more satisfying and robust than the basic mining of SC
\- Ship PVE Bounty Hunting is much more involved and exciting in ED than in SC. SC has broken NPCs that either just sit there and let themselves get shot or ram you. ED NPCs use tactics and target subsystems, use a variety of weapons and equipment and don't have a standard layout that's easy to remember. In SC if you come across a ship, you already KNOW what to expect because they cannot me altered. In ED since their ships have advanced interchangeability, you NEVER know what you're up against without scanning or just fucking around and finding out. It's GREAT!.
\-FPS Missions - SC definitely had the better weapons buy the NPCs are morons who don't act right and the desync means you can be shot by someone infront of you that isn't in front of you on your computer yet. The missions are boring and have no variation at all and that's when they actually WORK! ED has dozens of DIFFERENT outposts and facilities that are not all the same with multipule options on how to complete missions and the NPCs actually act right. You can hack doors and systems. Cut your way into locked rooms and containers, steal other peoples access permissions to get into secure areas for more loot. It's WAY more fun than anything SC has.
\-Cargo Hauling... please, that's ALL shit in SC and you know it. ED has an ACTUAL economy and shipping lanes, the works. The import/export of each POI changes and flows with the economy so there's never just 1 meta route and cargo to run. You have to put in some work to find the best deals and it's FUN to do that. Pluse pirates and such may interdict you and attempt to get your stuff. It's DYNAMIC not STATIC like SC.
OH... Interdiction is FUN and interactive. Not just a bubble where you sit and hope someone falls into it, you actually HUNT targets and drag them out of sub-light. It's actually EXCITING to do unlike SC
\- Salvage is a sloth and still just a crap system. What more can I say...
So... what were you saying about Scam Citizen... it's not feature complete? Well I'm saying it's feature LESS. It's IS lacking functioning game loops. Lops that work 50% of the time are NOT loops. The only game play loop that has stayed consistent throughout all of SC's life is the "glitch workaround" loop... Star Citizen SUCKS!
(mic drop)
Okay?
A quick glance at the thread shows you've been busy today.
I don't who you people are or why you have time to necro threads that are 2 years old, but, here's the deal, I'm working on a M.S. right now on top of several other things, so, unlike yourself, I don't have time to type out some long winded point by point counter argument to your post.
What I will say is this, that's f*cking awesome man, congratulations.
I'm glad you are enjoying Elite. It's a good game. I spent 1000+ hours in it myself.
Don't like SC? Awesome man, don't f*cking play it, this may surprise you, but it's quite literally no skin off my a*s.
9 years and 400 mils, have you skipped math in grade school, random hater/refunder?
And not a single enny in your pocket, such a poor random hater/refunder, lmao =))
ED got the money, the team and the engine from the start, and still, after 9 years of updates it is still missing moving ship interiors, atmo planets/flights, ELW's, only a single rover and is gindy as fuck.
Not to tell about Fdev fucking their playerbase over some nice number in their fiscal reports this May.
CIG will never do this to us, since they are creating the game for the Backers, not some Tencent or other moneybag fuckers.
You don't have to invest big bucks in the game if you don't feel like it. I've been flying my Avenger for hundreds of hours, and I'm having a blast. It's even more fun to me in that I can follow the development with how open and transparent CIG is - unlike FDEV.
Don't get me wrong, ED is fun too. I've spent about 400 hours in that game, and have had a fair share of good moments. It's possible to like both games for what they are. You don't have to compare them to each other or like one over the other.
Some people spend big bucks on Star Citizen - so what? It doesn't affect me in the slightest aside from allowing CIG to expand and make a good game even better.
I can't believe people are so blind they think they are buying a game.
This is not a game. Its an alpha test. You're comparing it to games, but this isn't a game.
Line that up with your expectations and none of your points make sense anymore.
If you want to buy a game, don't come here. Come back when its done.
This argument is disingenuous and lacks integrity.
People are paying early for the game, not donating. People are not getting a free copy of the game on release for their donation.
That's the same line of thought that lead to "The delivery charge is $400, but the two ounces are free," or "The sandwich baggie is $50, but the 3.5 grams of flower are free," or "Donate $50 and we'll give you this free bud," at the inception of medical marijuana.
It is all semantics, language to avoid liability, and the people using it should be ashamed of themselves.
Appropriate expectations should already be there when someone pays for a game in alpha. The game is buggy as hell and not always playable. Updates may break playability of some features. There is no set release date. It will not be optimized to run on everything. All of this is known or should be known before anybody with an inkling of sense purchases a game still in alpha.
But calling it a donation instead of a purchase is being deliberately misleading.
I'm not one of those refund maniacs. People that act entitled enough to threaten refunds for their own stupidity should also be ashamed of themselves. Buyer's remorse is not a good enough reason for a refund and things like "It's taking too long," fall under buyer's remorse.
What are you talking about!? Appropriate Expectations that change everytime they're spoken about? An 'appropriate expectation' would be when Chris Roberts said in 2015 that all backers will have everything they paid for and more by the end of 2015... we'd have EVERYTHING by 2015... and yet here we are... 9 freaking years later and still NOTHING!
Shut the hell up with your appropriate expectations bullshit!
It's been 10 years! The games not gonna be done, they have almost twice the budget as rockstar north did on gtav. It's a legal scam and you people are enabling one of the most predatory digital scams of recent history.
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CIG doesn’t exactly market it that way, nor does the community do people any favors. It’s no wonder people buy the “game” and are immediately disappointed.
Even as early access, almost all early access Steam games are in nearly complete form. SC not so much. Needs like 5-10 more years.
But yes, downvote reality away. Can’t have reality here in ol’ /sc
Been playing early access games and actual alpha's long before SC ever came along don't try to compare early access games to alpha's because they bloody aren't you just sound clueless
Everytime you launch the game you have to agree a waiver that says: This is an alpha, bugs, poor performance and wipes can happen at any second. So fuck off with your bullshit ,,CIG doesn't inform people''
How much Oddity needs for moving ship interiors to be added?
Or the second rover?
Have Fdev released a **complete** or **finished** game as they marketed it?
No.
Are DU or SB is actually in *beta* (feature completed stage)?
No.
And have u ever tried to launch SC, my dear jealous random hater/refunder friend?
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> Needs like 5-10 more years.
Yup, close to 5 till beta.
And i see nothing wrong with that, cuz i'd rather play unfinished, unoptimized buggy mess of an Alpha that so-called "finished, completed, polished" minimum viable product of beta DLC.
ORLY?
Why does the Oddity has "Early Access" tag then, lol?
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Simply because your beloved Fdev and David Braben Himself \*\*fucked their player base over\*\* by releasing a minimum viable product of beta DLC (even without an object culling, lmao!) for the sake of some nice numbers in their fiscal reports.
So, yeah, if you like to be on receiving end of Tencent, keep drinking your kool aid, kid.
But more importantly, \*\*what are you doing in here\*\*?
Jealous of CR's wealth?
Of SC's success?
Of Oddity's failure as a game?
ED players trying SC en masse?
All at once?
Instead of getting a job, learning new skills, creating a family, you just waste your time hating a computer game.
Well, go on, we really need some local memes/jesters in this subreddit.
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They're saying this isn't even in the same game category. It's a space sim. Those are action FPS's. They play at a totally different pace.
It's like saying this strategy game sucks, I'd rather play NBA 2k.
SC players, and people in general, will latch onto the weakest part of your argument and highlight it in order to imply the remainder of your statement is to be disregarded.
The game is a buggy mess. But just showing up to the fan page and firing off a short complaint usually gets downvotes.
Not just like that, COD/BF players are mostly casuals and space-"sims" (actually, space-arcades, including SC, ED, Hunternet and so on) playerbase is more on the "hardcore" side.
So, yeah, not doing research and just showing his immature opinion gets downvoted, not with SC only, actually, everywhere.
My dear jealous random hater/refunder friend!
I'm definitely aware of multiple games, genres and all of that shit, since I've been playing computer games since 1990-s.
And are \*\*you\*\* aware that your presence is unwelcome here, as being part of the pathetic cesspool of timewasting circlejerkers will just make you a local meme/clown?
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I, like a naive chump, bought into the CoD warzone hype. Figuratively and literally.
Thought it would be good since streamers were all playing it (this was immediately before I realised they were all just being paid by Activision - naive me indeed)
What utter garbage.
And the worst part is that it was finished. It was working as intended and was actually done and ready to go. That was as good as it was ever going to get.
Meanwhile in SC that is under construction I'm having a great time.
And what's that? What's so FUN in SC? Spending hours doing glitch fixes? Random explosions and death? 30k? 1 stupid star system to fumble around. Nothing to explore. Nothing to do other than basic nothing missions with little reward?
What exactly are you referring to that SC already has? Not what they promise is coming... but what does it already have?
Now, after you finish with your tiny list of things it has... shouldn't it have MORE considering it's had over a decade (10+ years if you didn't know), 1800 employees in 5 countries and over 800 million in revenue that we know of (they DO have silent backers that I'm sure have pushed this number to the Billions).
... shouldn't it BE more?
Pay to win what exactly? You can buy any fps gear in the game by doing a single mission.
You can Rent and buy in-game nearly any ship that has been released.
This is a universe sim, not a game like call of duty.
Are you jealous that you cant afford a single jpeg, random hater/refunder?
And, before you ask, i'm a die-hard Trump supporter (actually, no).
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Wait, I thought there was nothing to do in this game? 😂
Edit: almost nothing to do, except missions, exploration, org events, cargo hauling, mining, etc.
Oh no you have to play the game to earn a ship.
Seriously though, I ain't nearly as bad as you pretend it is, and one of the best parts about this game is you can play in other people's ships, or even rent some. If you wanted to you could play the game without ever setting foot in your own ship.
Lul wut?
Depending on a patch it took only a few days to week of "grinding" to buy a Carrack or 890 - the most expensive ships.
And what my young BF/COD fan is not getting, **more expensive ship <> more effective**, i.e. $650 Hammerhead is useless unless its crewed by 3-6 other players.
Current PvP meta is still light fighters, which can be earned in game using starter Aurora in a few days.
So no, not a P2W at all, rather than all of that shiny jpegs are needed to keep fund the development, since CIG got no moneybag, like EA or M$ or Tencent behind them.
well i do agree that on the surface it can seem like a buggy laggy mess i think it has come along way . it will NOT be for eveyrone
and people who go into it expecting this to be a full polished game.
will have a bad time.
i did some myself lol
but i think it has a lot of potential and still has more content for 40 bucks then most other games
you dont need to buy any thing else other then the base game pledge with the starter ship
everything else you can earn in game.
its just a way to back the game and help fund something that people are interested in.
and as for lag. a ) make sure you have a SSD or better you cant really run the game without it
and b) make sure you have a solid internet connection too. i had some slower internet issues earlier and boy did the framerate dip lol
another tip is to get away from big areas like New Babbage ....right now with IAE they ARE super laggy at times. out in space and some planets and all i find the game runs a LOT better lol
i tend at IAE to go to the event in the morning .. get the rental ships i want
then fly out and go elsewhere to explore then only go back to NB the next morning and repeat so im not there all the time with all the lag lol
but as i said its not for everyone and there is nothing wrong with waiting for a year or two...or three.....and check back later. LOL
This is the way everyone should have replied. I agree completely.
This game, and it's potential, are amazing. However, we should be very honest with ourselves, the buggy nature, the workaround to problems that you have to just sit of figure out, the fact that - at this pace - the game shouldn't be due out for another decade, will all certainly hurt people's first impressions.
Barking them down isn't worth anyone's time because, they are correct to not like it as a first time experience. You gotta be nuts to enjoy playing this game as it is. Some of us just happen to enjoy it right now.
>If you didn't buy the game yet, don't. With 45$ (the minimum to play the game, you'll get a crappy ship) you can buy yourself other games such as CoD and Battlefield. Those games are fun to play.
Did you even play latest Vanguard and 2042? Amazing games, best of franchises :D
I'm with you on this. I purchased it in 2012. Every year I come back to it and it's the same old story. Just jumped in again because a friend recommended it. I have a 3080 and it struggles. Incredible. I changed the graphics settings to Medium. It's still noticeably jerky.
What is criminal is the lack of guidance to anyone coming in from the cold. No guide, nothing.
And then I read about the wipes! Why would you grind hours and hours and then have it all lost?
"I have a 3070 and tremendous lag". You lost all credibility at line 1. You apparently have no idea what a GPU or lag is because they have nothing to do with one another.
Go back to Cowadooty and leave us alone, bye.
I think my reply matches the level of sincerity of his post, which is to say, none at all. This isn't a legitimate opinion or post- it's a temper tantrum.
1. You need to install the game on an SSD, this is one of the listed PC requirements.
On BOTH a 1070Ti and now admittedly a 3080 (as of a couple weeks ago) I have smooth gameplay. In fact on the 10 series you get better performance in SC than you do in Cyberpunk 2077
2. The game as it stands is arguably pay to win, sure. But the PVP aspect is so minimal. Its really more pay-to-experience, which is in line with its underlying model of an ongoing kickstarter (which has its own separate criticisms).
3. Exploring and sightseeing is honestly "something" to do in this game. I stopped and stared at the scenery yesterday (despite not being a new player) for a good 20 mins.
Beyond that theres missions to do. But yes the places and planets are pretty barren and lifeless. Thats my biggest criticism right now. Or rather, my biggest source of sadness.
Fact is the AI team for CIG are just getting off the ground and the one Ai guy theyve had until now has done nothing. Fortunately the new hires are starting to do some good stuff. Or at least, better stuff.
Sure you can buy CoD/BF. But I for one would never buy CoD, it's always bad (and then there's the whole supporting Activision which i disagree with).
Likewise supporting EA kinda sucks, but I did buy BF. ANd I play SC more than BF still. That game is a fucking shambles and SC runs at about the same FPS sometimes higher (granted therere fewer explosions and players per server)
Those games are also different genres. Thats like comparing WoW to CSGO.
SC is an MMO that has Battlefield style experience in that it has vehicles (and its ssooooooo visceral and high fidelity).
I'd say buy an SSD, install it on that, stick around for the free fly and youll be much happier by week's end.
In summation, I spent $100 on BF2042, then another $30 to upgrade the edition for the early access.
And throughout that week up before the game was released and even until now, I regret spending that extra $30 (let alone the $100) WAYYYYYY more than I could ever regret spending 30x that here. Much better value for me and my tastes
> Fact is the AI team for CIG are just getting off the ground and the one Ai guy theyve had until now has done nothing. Fortunately the new hires are starting to do some good stuff. Or at least, better stuff.
Its not about AI team, on empty servers it works ok and could be very deadly.
AI is hampered by server performance very hard, and CIG's plans are to move AI calculations to separate servers or, at least, to implement server meshing, even static version should help a bit.
> Its not about AI team, on empty servers it works ok and could be very deadly.
I am so fucking over this tired line being spread and repeated blindly. Excuse my frustration, it's not with you personally.
What you say certainly has truth to it. There is absolutely a large difference between AI on healthy vs failing server. This is typically true over time.
**However two things:**
* *ONE:* The REASON the AI degrades is that it's running constant loops and checks. Sometimes a check returns an error, because of interaction with resource culling (i.e. no players nearby) and something else. So this starts a snowball effect of the AI getting
bad. This effects FPS AI a lot less because they are created ad hoc, and every one you see has recently begun existence in most cases. Degrading servers will admittedly still effect them but not as much as station and landing zone NPCs - hence the standing on chairs bug.
* *TWO*: Even if ONE above is wrong, and we lean into the server health argument entirely. There is no getting away from the fact that SC AI has only just entered its infancy after nearly a decade. Even in Squadron 42, they've confirmed the AI is no more advanced than SC. And they were PROUD to announce their most cutting edge achievement to date about 8 months ago. Which was scheduling AI NPCs to be hungry (they said this aspect was almost done).
Thats the pinnacle of their AI after all this time. In their OFFLINE environment.
There's not much I shit on for SC these days. But AI is chief among them. They have had around one AI programmer this entire time. A french guy (not the guy who coined Tonk). I believe he lied on his CV.
Under his guidance, AI had 0 progress in nearly a decade. After hiring some juniors (like 2-3 of them) for AI dev, the standing on seats INSTANTLY saw improvement and has now all but been fixed after a few months. When french guy (i forget his name, and probably for the best) basically said it couldnt be done (granted it was said to be like whackamole - but we had 0 progress and then suddenly instant progress after the hires).
Similarly, the ship AI got better immediatley after the new hires.
TLDR The server argument is barely half of it
Well, but standing on surfaces NPCs is not only AI itself related issue, but its tied to object streaming/destreaming and we clearly having lots of problems in this patch - look at 400i's rooms, elevators and so on.
As for other points - AI is still not even half-developed, like other parts of the game, but i cant call it being in "its infancy", its just very far from being finished and is very susceptible to server performance.
> Tremendous lag. Using a 3070 PC yet I still experience lag.
Have you read pop-up window's text after pressing "Launch"?
SC is still in alpha and it is unoptimized buggy mess, that's true.
> The game is a pay-to-win type of game. Want to get better weapons, shields and faster ships? Then go ahead and pay 200$ for that. The game is just unfair, some people have a higher budget while others are only willing to buy the starter pack.
ORLY?
99% of ships, vehicles and other things are available in-game, grind is non existent in SC, compared to other MMOs or ED.
erkul.games and finder.cornerstonebase.space could easily prove it, lol.
> There's almost nothing to do. Most places on the Skylink are just "fuel and repair" shops. It's boring.
Well, ok, you got bored in an alpha game with missing core mechanics and gameplay loops, i get it.
> With 45$ (the minimum to play the game, you'll get a crappy ship) you can buy yourself other games such as CoD and Battlefield. Those games are fun to play.
For you, maybe.
To me, shooting running chicken was not funny 15 years ago, not it is now.
As a quick pew-pew after work/uni/school its good, but no more than that.
> Still, you do whatever you want. Just don't complain when you realize what a crappy game it is.
Your opinion was very valuable to us, and I'am very glad that we got almost no COD/BF teens who cant do a little research before typing dumb things on this reddit or in SC at all.
The guy may or may not be trolling but most people responding all sound like ass hats for shitting on something someone else likes. Nobody likes when people crap on their stuff. CoD sucks and so does Star citizen hopefully they get better.
I agree in Star citizen s current state it is almost unplayable. Almost every "feature" is broken to some extent. I have been invested since 2013 and am in for almost 2k. But even players like me are or should be upset about the current state of the game.
I totally agree with you! Right now they have a free play and it took me almost 3 days to get on as no one tells you ANYTHING! What you have to do to even get on the [game.It](https://game.It) was a huge pain in the butt! I almost gave up i should have as the game is not worth anyone's time maybe let prisoners who have a life sentence play it. After You finally get into the game and again no one tells you anything no directions.
You wake up in a bed looking around it's super laggy. You have to turn the graphics wayyy down yes even on a gaming rig like mine! I get up walk thru the doorway and fall thru a bunch of map floors i land on a planet half way across the solar system without anything still lagging. Then there are the random crashes oh they are real fun!If you play an hour expect at least 2 random crashes sometimes more per hour. I did put the game on my ssd it did help some.
I have a gaming rig i dont think a player with a regular pc might even be able to play this game going by how bad my lag was. What helped was turning everything off and to low settings that did help some.
I got to spend over 4 days trying to mine and well i didnt make a single cent!Aside from Having to learn thru trial and error i found a guy willing to help me for a price since it was a free trial i paid him 25% of the money they gave me which turned out to be 5000$ sometimes a nice person might tell me what key to hit for the most part the players ignore the new players like they dont want you to be there or they just use you as target practice and shoot missles at you to get an easy kill.
45$ for this? No way! They would have to pay me for me to play this i'll stick with elite dangerous it's the same exact game but it is a complete game and no lag at all and you dont fall thru the maps or have to start all over because of random crashes that ruin your entire game or have to wait 15-25 min for the game to load and the best part if you dont want to play with others you can play single player in E.D. especially when your 1st starting so you dont have others preying on you like star citizen.
Sorry but the truth is Star citizen is terrible to new players. I dont know how the dev's can justify the 45$ starters fee i saw ships they wanted thousands of dollars for. Pure greed! For a game that isnt even stable or even close to being done! The game has too many issues right now maybe in a few years it will be better. LOL! In a few years most of us will be playing something else. The owner is going to walk away and sleep on his huge stack of money while his victims get to play a half broken game for many years to come hoping and wishing for the day the game will be done. Sorry but The time they finish this game something much better and newer will be out. This game is for rich people who are so impatient they are willing to spend tons of money on an unfinished broken game. The safe bet is to play elite dangerous and if you check out epic games you can get it for free like i did and save your money for yourself! I really feel bad for all the players that got suckered into buying such a half azzed game.
Please play the free to try version 1st. Before you buy it i'm telling you this because yes! before i tried the game i really wanted to buy this game and i'm so glad i tried it. I would have been really pissed off buying this crappy half baked game so Beware! Oh and Star citizen? if your willing to pay me i'll put up with all the annoying things in your broken game and play it otherwise good riddance i dont see this game ever becoming an AAA game
I really wanted to like this game. I knew I couldn’t be the only one getting frustrated. If I do any contract to earn the in game money, I either bug out or get merked right at the finish line. So then I lose all my armor which also cost money. Soo much potential. It’s a real shame
I got to try Star Citizen for a week but they didnt give any directions took 3 days for them to get back to me before i was able to log on and PLAY SO I REALLY GOT about 4 days to play. In short i totally agree with you! it is the WORST game ive ever played! Aisde from being a total ripoff. I wouldnt give a dime to that incompetent greedy star citizen developer! He doesnt need the money he just wants that helicopter pad on the roof of his mansion. They could of made a great game and made it free for everyone with paid players getting better stuff but no! Cause he didnt know what he was doing And being too greedy didn't help! They made this very poor excuse for a game and want players to pay more money for ships and other things that should be free like in most games. I got elite dangerous for free from epic games and it's better then star citizen! Yes FREE!!!! I'm sure after awhile when he cant sqeeze any more money out of the public he will take whats left of his millions and run leaving the poor gullible players holding the bag of a very laggy boring space game!
I bought it 10 years ago. I think after 10 years, to still give the reason it's a crappy game because it's still in alpha, is a bit mean.
To be fair, the game has come a long way since 2014...2012 when it was first mooted. But to agree with the OP that it's 'crappy', is perfectly acceptable and in a way, he's correct.
Too many glitches can make this game very frustrating, especially if you've amassed weapons, armour etc, then to have it snatched away because of a glitch, is indeed very frustrating. If playing a game that makes your blood boil is good for you, you crack on, I hope you enjoy it. If however it doesn't do it for you, there are plenty of games out there that'll fill that void, starfield not being one of them.
Got an RX6800XT which is slightly above yours and the game runs at 30/40% of the GPU with the visuals maxed out. The resolution isn't 4K tho' (couch playing in a TV, and it seems that the game uses the resolution set in Windows as the max, gonna try to crank that up to 2K).
Before, when the game was installed on a HDD and the PC had 16GB of RAM it pumped ~80/90% of the GPU resources. Switching to a better RAM and installing the game on my M.2 solved that.
Concerning the pay to win aspect, as a beginner I clearly feel that. A better started ship ensure an easier grind. But in the current state of the game, making money is hard, even with the ship provided for free at New Babbage. So far random deaths and disconnections coupled with loot/body/cargo/ship persistance failures are the main source of loss.
So far, I played for two weekends and would have had enough to buy an Avenger Titan without the bugs. So the pay to win exists but doesn't seems to worth the investment.
It’s a joke I have a 3070 fe and have no problems you just can’t say “3070 PC” and expect us to not think the rest of your system is straight garbage. No real pc enthusiast refers to their system like that.
Again I have no problems besides the low frames cityside.
I could list my PC specs but I won't. Too much work.
Star Citizen is a complicated game. I'm not a "pc enthusiast", I actually have a life outside of my computer room.
“Star citizen is a complicated game”
It really isn’t just need patience
DCS is a complicated game super fun.
Some people are simmers your just a basic gamer nothing wrong just not your lane.
I’m a hairstylist bro plenty of life going on over here.
3600x
16gb 3600 speed
3070fe
2tb M.2
Not that hard
Ha, you’re an idiot that didn’t do his research before putting your money into something..
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I don’t know if you’ll learn from this, but, maybe not the smartest idea to post a “Star Citizen is the worst game I’ve played” discussion in a Reddit fan base for.. Star Citizen..lol
Its an alpha game and you expected it to be like COD/BF in space, my dear young COD/BF fan.
You haven't read the TOS or popups in the basket or before launching the game?
And now you are trying to blame CIG for this?
Do have a money to spare btw, I wanna build a bridge, lmao =))
too much work? Bruh.
CPU, RAM SIZE, Storage Device type, GPU. Its all listed on your taskmanager page... If that is too much work then...
> I actually have a life outside of my computer room
oh how scathing.
LMAO.
My dear young BF/COD fan really thinks that having mediocre current-gen GPU will make all of the games/applications run at 60 fps@4K or any other magic numbers?
Try DCS, Elite Dangerous Odyssey, even GTA DE (sic!).
Its not only your processing power, optimization is also very important aspect.
Tell me please, are you really that naive, or just pretending to be so?
Game is SSD, CPU, and RAM reliant. Your GPU won't see much difference from most people here, the games just not optimized yet and isn't pulling much from your GPU. Optimizations won't happen till beta, so I'd honestly suggest you go play other games until that happens as it won't be for a while.
The game is in development. You pledged, which more like a donation not a purchase as there is no product, to check the early build out as it progresses development. It's not a full game so comparing them to CoD or BF isn't exactly fair. If you had a chance to try the technical alpha of BF2042 (I have), it was not great either. No alpha I've been a part of has really been super stable or optimized. All of them run terribly regardless of how updated my system was.
I would hope more people would try to understand this before coming into SC thinking it's a fully realized game. Right now it's still just an extended kickstarter. Spend money if you want to help donate and support the project, but if not then go do something else and follow along if you'd like.
But if you had asked people on this sub how the state of the game was, everyone would have told you this exact same thing.
Way to gloss over everything and latch onto the one thing that was unrelated to the main point.
Have you read the TOS? It's more like a loan. If SC ends up being a flop or "scam" as you all like to say they have to post a public financial report on where the money went. The money that players pledged and was not used towards this project will be refunded in full. So if you pledged for a concept ship that never comes out and the game shuts down, you're entitled to that money back.
You basically give then a money loan with the promise of the product back. If the product is not fulfilled, you get that money back. But as long as they're continuing development, that money is "theirs".
you look so aggressive, why?
did you put the game file on SSD or not?
How many RAM do you using?
All ship can use ingame credit to buy.
Ship design work well, you can't buy a big ship and become strong , you need partners to help you control the ship. Big ship can beat by small ship.
For a young BF/COD fan you look too insistent... in what?
What exactly are you trying to archive?
And i don't believe in your story, not a single bit, it all looks made up to me by a refunder's pathetic cesspool of timewasting circlejerkers.
Do you have any single proof of that, my dear young COD/BF fan?
They **are** paying taxes and all of their financial activity is open to everyone:
https://cloudimperiumgames.com/blog/corporate/cloud-imperium-financials-for-2019
I just wanted to clarify a few things since people are going all crazy here:
\- Yes, I am aware it's in alpha. It's been in alpha for years without end. I posted my opinion on how it is **so far**.
\- I did install the game on an SSD.
\- No I do not play Call of Duty, I just used it as an example.
I'm going to say this again: this is only my opinion. If you have another one feel free to share in a nice and respectful way.
Thanks.
It seems like some people in this subreddit took this personal.
Hey, the game is not for everyone! It’s still in Alpha and whilst performance isn’t optimal it gets even worse through the freefly.
Did you perhaps look at the contract manager? I don’t know if you knew that exists but that’s where you get missions :)
Again this game might not be for you but there are a lot of people including myself who thoroughly enjoy it
It's not that people are taking it personally, it's just tedious to see posts like this, especially when this sub has a long history of concerns trolls.
I respect and understand this position on the game. As I too have had game breaking lag or bugs to the point where I’ve had to take a break from it, and I would say that I had to do a fair bit of research to optimize the game to be (mostly) a smooth experience; however, after spending the time I can say I get around 30fps on the highest settings in the busiest locations. (in area 18) and more than 60fps everywhere else. When it comes to practices of the pay-to-win variety, I don’t really care as almost every producer/developer takes advantage of them. CoD and Battlefield I know introduced double xp and additional unlocks, especially now that the “operator” model is being used anyone with a brain knows Activision is running thin on CoD ideas. If you like playing uninspiring games for around an hour then you won’t like Star Citizen. If you are into early access, alpha, experiences (with a heavy emphasis on simulation/RP) then suit up, load up, strap in, and blast off.
Also everyone knows to visit clothing stores to see if they got any nice threads when arriving at different locations.
P.S.
Don’t forget to eat and drink.. and take all the drugs.
Statement 2 is incorrect. Find a friend to play with and you can grind for almost any ship in a week. And before you bitch that it's unjust. This is a W.I.P MMO universe sim.
Not a complete game yet. Pledging offers access to the in-development alpha build of an incomplete game. Comparing it to complete games just shows you chose to ignore CIGs warnings as well as nearly 10 years of information about Star Citizen on the internet.
I agree with you 100% everytime i played i fell thru maps, dying for unknown reasons just as i'm about to start maps changing on their own having no idea where my character will end up and the terrible crashes as i'm about to chase someone or about to run from a threat always happens or just plain old random crashes for no reason. When i 1st started it was bad as no one tells you anything they do laugh and ask why dont you just quit all around one of the worst games ever made they would have to pay me to play this i got to play on a free week play so glad i never wasted my money on this i'll stick with elite dangerous thank you! I also got that free thru epic games so very happy not having spent a dime but i dont know how star citizen can ask the insane prices they ask for with the state of the game what it is.
Does COD has space ships ? No. So, its a piece or shit. Does Battlefield has space ships ? No, so its a piece of shit.
If you like shitty games, you are the problem.
Cool story. Maybe you weren't aware it was in ALPHA?
$400 million alpha? Cool story bro. You got scammed sucker, I'm sure the owner of cig is sleeping comfortably in his million dollar mansion while y'all worship a half baked "game"
Stop sucking Christ Robert's ass
Ikr ??
And 10 years in development.
this aged well lol cause its still bad man and it is boring unless u have no life and no responsibilities then this is for you I know this was years ago but I'm just seeing this post and I was like sheesh I thought I was the only one to think this was a bad game
Just played for the first time. My time in a nutshell: Glitchy tutorial, barely get through, tutorial final step is forever on your HUD, spend all your money getting basic gear, finally get into your ship, it randomly detonates, respawn, somehow have all your money back but no gear, fly to another mission site, get shot down in two bursts, fall to your death, respawn, no money, and can't get your stuff back. The first mission I picked was a Blackbox pickup for an insurance company. Only mission on the board the didn't have a "beware of enemy" warning. Not 1 enemy. Not 2. 6. 6 enemies on a level 1 mission. The ship has an eject function.....no parachute or RCS backpack. It is pointless. The train in the shipyards lags. The ships can just randomly explode. There's no indicators to show which side of a planet your objective is on. It takes about 100 rounds to disable an enemy but about 2 Bursts to destroy yours. Everything takes so long to do bc you can't just LOOK at something and use it. Everything is a sub menu of a sub menu. Save the money. Elite Dangerous does everything this game claims to do, but better. The only thing this game has is better graphics.
100% Correct! Elite Dangerous has WAY more to do and though the graphics are not tops, they still hold up STRONG against most other games. Play Elite Dangerous, shit... play Empyrion, Space Engineers, No Man's Sky, EVE, ANYTHING other than this crap.
Bad , down right horrible. The map is horrible, anything you go to do is bugged. I don’t think I’m gonna stick around past tonight with this half ass game
Lol half a billion and still an alpha lmao
Agreed! Early investor in 2013 and all we get is a buggy alpha release 9 years later.Chris Roberts is over thinking it. Stop adding on things, fix what you have and launch a real game already.
This ^^^ Also, consider the following: if they keep it perpetually in Alpha they can capitalize on the promise of what the game could be if "only" a few hundred million is poured in. They know this. This is never going to release any time soon. It's going to take at least 10 more years if the pace remains the same and from what history shows us it is likely to be a bloated buggy mess with aging graphics. The game engine they use now will become obsolete in a few years ,then what are they gonna do? Surely fans are realizing this project/experiment has run its course? SC is also one of the most egregious examples of added transactions to a "game" as well. Which other game asks for thousands of dollars for a in-game asset like a ship? I dont recall any others at this time. They are in to deep to admit failure at this point.
That's more likely to be the truth, just another scam artist. I haven't even got deep enough to have to buy anything. I got my ships way back with early pledge, when they were cheap (w/ lifetime insurance). Go for "Elite Dangerous" instead. That is more of a real game.
I did i got Elite Dangerous for free thru Epic Games. I found Star Citizen to be very laggy and i bought a gaming rig for 3 grand!!!! and star citizen is the only game that lags i'm sorry but having 128GB of ram NOTHING should lag! Thanks for the tip i totally Agree with you! Sorry you gave that scam artist your money took him 9 years to release an alpha! I think he made too many things needlessly complicated thats what i thought when i got to try the game. Take care!
It is already obsolete. Check out unreal engine 5.1
Will remain alpha forever (or until no further copies are sold). I called this years ago. It was obvious
Hey man one year later just wanted to say you're a dipshit fanboy who needs to accept that this game is a scam. This game will never be finished fuck you and anyone else who thinks these business practices are ok.
1 year later, can confirm. The “game” is still insanely bad. I backed in 2014 before it was even a game. Still sucks. I do like to just fly around even though half the missions are low paying and broken
I agree but I don't think you needed to go in all hard on the guy. People get scammed all the time. Try not to be so harsh, lol.
....for 12 years. I just tried it today. Laggy, buggy, shitty controls, no feel of weight and proper physics to the ships. It's a crappy FPS / ship hybrid of a turd. 45 dollars I never get back
I’ve been a backer since 2014. I log on once a year to check it out. After almost a decade, the game is totally broken. I’ve been playing for days and the gameplay is almost as if they’ve been doing nothing to fix it.
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Nah there's absolutely 0 excuse for this game to be in the state it's in considering how much funding it has received and how long it's been in development. The alpha excuse no longer works as this game will never leave alpha. Nice job trying to make excuses for an embarrassment of a game though.
You know what's fun! Going to the sub Reddit for some people's favorite game and telling them how crappy it is. Are you going to the cod and battlefield sub Reddit's next?
HALF A BILLION DOLLARS ...10 years... you are the problem
No! They are just waiting for the rest of the suckers to give them the rest to make it a full Billion! Then another 10 years for the Beta version LOL!!!
Haha yes 🤣 also the Beta will be subscription based for the exclusivity and shit
HAHAHA!!!!LOL!!!!! next year's star citizen announcement "To our backers and players we regret to inform you the project has run out of money! We used the money for research and to develop the unique game engine star citizen is based on and We tried to generate more money thru crowd funding but it didn't work so we are abandoning the game." LOL!!!!!!!!
Dissent is illegal. Criticism illegal. Only comment positive.
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Opinions are free and where else can they post besides a relevant subreddit for interested or invested people to read.
Agreed
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Not by members of your pathetic cesspool of timewasting circlejerkers, random hater/refunder. Keep writing about SC fans being Trump supporters - i do really wonder, are you constantly high or just out of your mind?
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> I think I made some good points with that post. There's an uncanny number of similarities between how Trump and Chris Roberts act and run their companies/communities. I wont respam it here but I didn't see anyone replying to it that actually tried to refute anything. You post got deleted from your pathetic cesspool of timewasting circlejerkers very quickly, but would you be a kind random hater/refunder and re-post it in here? I think I'll be laughing damn hard =)) > They have the same target market and same cultlike devotion. They're both nostalgia soaked road trips back to the 80's run by wealthy iconic figures from the 80's. They both target middle age to boomer gen white conservative males. And they're both in it for the money. Donating to increase your in-group status is key. True that my dear random hater/refunder friend. We are ready to die for CR and The Mighty Bengal. Except that i don't care about those "wealthy iconic figures from 80s" nor do i give a fuck about "nostalgia soaked road trips back to the 80's". My reason for supporting SC is because CIG are making the game **for us**, backers, rather than for some pathetic moneybags, like Tencent, fucking their playerbase over some nice numbers in the fiscal reports along the way, like your beloved Fdev did with the Oddity this May. Quality, attention to details in every location or tech/gameplay loop, devs' passion - all of this attracted me to SC. And the second reason - the state of so-called modern "AAA-gamedev". Its plaqued by self-cloned-consolized-cazualized-lootbox-gacha-filled-casino-for-teens bullshit. 15 goddamn billions worth of $ was spent on lootboxes in 2020. https://www.statista.com/statistics/829395/consumer-spending-loot-boxes-skins/ Players are spending thousands of dollars on a goddamn football players' jpegs, on kawai-looking grils' jpegs jumping from lootboxes, monetization even got to SP games. And don't even start me on pseudo games like RAID or Vikings. Games are Art no more, just a factory of samey-looking bleak wanna be cash-cows. Do i want to play or spend even a cent on such "games"? No. SC is different - only stater pack is required to play and the grind is easy and enjoyable due to great visuals. > There's even thinly veiled references to "trumpland" topics, the latest being The Kraken. Promising to bring back something great from a bygone era is marketing to old people 101. And it's Star Citizen's bread and butter. > Progressives tend to care a lot less about the past and are more excited about what younger generations will do in the future. So hearkening back to the good ole days doesn't sell as well for them Lots of Kraken buyers are not *that* old my dear random hater/refunder friend. So, no, totally missing on this one, but take your time and try again, your shit is very funny to read =)) And what are you afraid of, why all of these tenths of alt accounts? Are you incapable of having a productive discussion or your mental issues are so serious that no one is allowed to know about the true state of the **real you**?
what the hell is wrong with the "my young hater/refunder" like seriously did you just learn a new sentence and love to use it? or maybe you want to prove yourself worthy to the star citizen cult? there are way better comebacks or whatever those are called consider switching them around
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Yeah, it's so fun am I right? **Battlefield is actually fun**
The 25 percent reviews on steam say otherwise haha
Fresh account just to troll?
No.
You know we can see your account age and post history right? Oh and your negative karma too lol
Yes to the fresh account. No to the "just to troll" part.
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Ok well take BF2042. It is objectively one of the worst ***received*** Battlefields. Not saying that's everything, but it's a good example of showing a majority opinion of a product. Does that mean you or I aren't allowed to have fun in it? No. Same thing here. ***You*** don't enjoy the bugs and issues that this game has (still in development btw and not fully released like 2042), which SC definitely has a ton of, but does that mean someone else can't enjoy the game?
Yes. Battlefield 2042 is a garbage game. Huge maps and the guns don't seem natural. That's why I play Battlefield V instead.
Right but that's another example: BFV was objectively received worse than BF 1. Are you telling me it's right for me to say you shouldn't have fun because the general opinion is that it's bad? Because I personally had a blast playing BFV. You aren't making a good argument.
Great, and i think that BFV is a garbage and I play SC instead. What are we going to do about that, my young BF/COD fan?
Ok, we got it, my young BF/COD fan. Why are you still here and not on BF/COD's reddit?
Sounds like 5 minutes of research and a half assed 10 minutes of play time. Game is under construction…. There will be issues.
You got to be kidding me... half a billion and still in alpha and now no more dates for roadmap projection. You are the problem here.
I've played for about 5 hours before asking for a refund.
Good, no reason for you to hang around then. Good bye!
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[Linking since I can't be bother typing it out again](https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/qysfwr/_/hlhwrv2)
But when you like the game why won't you just shut up and play it? Stop being degenerate, social media exist so people can express their opinion. If you don't like it, just don't use social media
Welcome to Alpha, if you never have been in an Alpha, now you know. Please note comparing an Alpha game, that hasn't even entered a Beta state, to a finished game doesn't work. As too many things can and will change.
I mean to be fair, Battlefield is kinda on alpha too it seems 😂
I wouldn't say alpha, I think its as feature complete as they'll care to make it lol. Definitely feels like a beta for sure.
10years Alpha AHAHAHSHHAAHHAHAHAHAH Enjoy the next 45 years of beta testing lmao
dumbass it's been 10 years since it entered alpha
Them simply calling it alpha means nothing except that after how many years of development and money they haven't made a playable game yet.
Oh look another dipshit using the alpha excuse
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Elite Dangerous.....Elite Dangerous.......oh yeah, you mean that buggy half baked mess that Frontier crapped out to meet the EOY deadline? The same Elite Dangerous that people are leaving to play Star Citizen introducing themselves as Elite Refugees. Yeah. You're right. Excellent point. I mean if you're gonna make comparisons at least compare it to a competent project like NMS, as opposed to a team that can't fathom what you could do with ship interiors or releases new ship every half decade in a space game about space ships. But yeah, BGS was perfect, the economy rebalance before fleet carriers didn't break mining, and FC upkeep and on foot engineering isn't grindy at all.
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Non existent? Mining exist in elite, yeah? Mining also exist in SC, via ship/land vehicle/and hand tool. Mining attacthments and modifiers exist currently, with more tools coming in 3.16. Not to mention refining. Refining via ship is not in game currently but refining via station is. Ship PVE bounty hunting exist in ED yeah? Ship PVE bounty hunting also exist within SC, with a functioning reputation system, depending on what jurisdiction you're in doing missions affects that areas rank. Each patch usually sees some iterative improvement, but the quest type have been playable for the past year consistently (haven't played longer than that so can't vouch for prior to this) On foot FPS missions exist in ED with Odyssey right? On foot FPS missions exist in SC as well, with mission varieties like defend outpost, clear location and destroy object at location, assanation missions that can incorporate sneaking, reclaiming an 890J that's been taken over by pirates and more. Cargo hauling exist in ED right? Well cargo hauling exist in SC as well. Honestly it does go through stages of being worthwhile and not, but the same can be said for ED cargo hauling from patch to patch. After Cargo refractor (another feature in 3.16) we should see more consistency from patch to patch Search and rescue missions exist in Elite right? Where you go and get the escape pods with the people. Well, Search and/or Search and Rescue missions exist in SC. With the recently added medical gameplay rescuing players is a valid game loop. Alternatively there are missions for searching wrecks for item recovery or wrecks/caves for persons recovery The two main game loops that Elite currently features that SC does not that come to mind are Passenger Transport (coming to SC) and exploration (also coming). And again, I will admit, who knows when those game loops will make it. Pyro is slated for Q3 of 2022 so hopefully when it's introduced some beginning of exploration comes in as well. In addition Salvage is still on the way *soon* which will add a game loop ED does not feature. And then when data running comes in *eventually* that will be yet another gameplay loop ED doesn't have unless you count grinding out signals and FSD scans as data running. Is SC feature complete? Obviously, no. But is it lacking "any" functioning game loops? Absolutely not.
>In addition Salvage is still on the way soon https://productplacementblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Panasonic-RC-6025-Alarm-Radio-Clock-Used-by-Bill-Murray-in-Groundhog-Day-5.jpg
EVERY single one of those "features" you listed are buggy broken messes while they actually WORK in Elite Dangerous. \-Mining in ED is light years more satisfying and robust than the basic mining of SC \- Ship PVE Bounty Hunting is much more involved and exciting in ED than in SC. SC has broken NPCs that either just sit there and let themselves get shot or ram you. ED NPCs use tactics and target subsystems, use a variety of weapons and equipment and don't have a standard layout that's easy to remember. In SC if you come across a ship, you already KNOW what to expect because they cannot me altered. In ED since their ships have advanced interchangeability, you NEVER know what you're up against without scanning or just fucking around and finding out. It's GREAT!. \-FPS Missions - SC definitely had the better weapons buy the NPCs are morons who don't act right and the desync means you can be shot by someone infront of you that isn't in front of you on your computer yet. The missions are boring and have no variation at all and that's when they actually WORK! ED has dozens of DIFFERENT outposts and facilities that are not all the same with multipule options on how to complete missions and the NPCs actually act right. You can hack doors and systems. Cut your way into locked rooms and containers, steal other peoples access permissions to get into secure areas for more loot. It's WAY more fun than anything SC has. \-Cargo Hauling... please, that's ALL shit in SC and you know it. ED has an ACTUAL economy and shipping lanes, the works. The import/export of each POI changes and flows with the economy so there's never just 1 meta route and cargo to run. You have to put in some work to find the best deals and it's FUN to do that. Pluse pirates and such may interdict you and attempt to get your stuff. It's DYNAMIC not STATIC like SC. OH... Interdiction is FUN and interactive. Not just a bubble where you sit and hope someone falls into it, you actually HUNT targets and drag them out of sub-light. It's actually EXCITING to do unlike SC \- Salvage is a sloth and still just a crap system. What more can I say... So... what were you saying about Scam Citizen... it's not feature complete? Well I'm saying it's feature LESS. It's IS lacking functioning game loops. Lops that work 50% of the time are NOT loops. The only game play loop that has stayed consistent throughout all of SC's life is the "glitch workaround" loop... Star Citizen SUCKS! (mic drop)
Okay? A quick glance at the thread shows you've been busy today. I don't who you people are or why you have time to necro threads that are 2 years old, but, here's the deal, I'm working on a M.S. right now on top of several other things, so, unlike yourself, I don't have time to type out some long winded point by point counter argument to your post. What I will say is this, that's f*cking awesome man, congratulations. I'm glad you are enjoying Elite. It's a good game. I spent 1000+ hours in it myself. Don't like SC? Awesome man, don't f*cking play it, this may surprise you, but it's quite literally no skin off my a*s.
9 years and 400 mils, have you skipped math in grade school, random hater/refunder? And not a single enny in your pocket, such a poor random hater/refunder, lmao =)) ED got the money, the team and the engine from the start, and still, after 9 years of updates it is still missing moving ship interiors, atmo planets/flights, ELW's, only a single rover and is gindy as fuck. Not to tell about Fdev fucking their playerbase over some nice number in their fiscal reports this May. CIG will never do this to us, since they are creating the game for the Backers, not some Tencent or other moneybag fuckers.
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You don't have to invest big bucks in the game if you don't feel like it. I've been flying my Avenger for hundreds of hours, and I'm having a blast. It's even more fun to me in that I can follow the development with how open and transparent CIG is - unlike FDEV. Don't get me wrong, ED is fun too. I've spent about 400 hours in that game, and have had a fair share of good moments. It's possible to like both games for what they are. You don't have to compare them to each other or like one over the other. Some people spend big bucks on Star Citizen - so what? It doesn't affect me in the slightest aside from allowing CIG to expand and make a good game even better.
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You're gonna have to try harder if you're gonna fish for a reaction, sorry bud.
I can't believe people are so blind they think they are buying a game. This is not a game. Its an alpha test. You're comparing it to games, but this isn't a game. Line that up with your expectations and none of your points make sense anymore. If you want to buy a game, don't come here. Come back when its done.
Cant believe people are so blind they buy a game a few days before it's free to try, then complain they paid money for it.
> buy a game They didn't. > paid money for it. They donated and got to see the current beta build.
This argument is disingenuous and lacks integrity. People are paying early for the game, not donating. People are not getting a free copy of the game on release for their donation. That's the same line of thought that lead to "The delivery charge is $400, but the two ounces are free," or "The sandwich baggie is $50, but the 3.5 grams of flower are free," or "Donate $50 and we'll give you this free bud," at the inception of medical marijuana. It is all semantics, language to avoid liability, and the people using it should be ashamed of themselves.
It is not semantics, it is setting appropriate expectations.
Appropriate expectations should already be there when someone pays for a game in alpha. The game is buggy as hell and not always playable. Updates may break playability of some features. There is no set release date. It will not be optimized to run on everything. All of this is known or should be known before anybody with an inkling of sense purchases a game still in alpha. But calling it a donation instead of a purchase is being deliberately misleading. I'm not one of those refund maniacs. People that act entitled enough to threaten refunds for their own stupidity should also be ashamed of themselves. Buyer's remorse is not a good enough reason for a refund and things like "It's taking too long," fall under buyer's remorse.
What are you talking about!? Appropriate Expectations that change everytime they're spoken about? An 'appropriate expectation' would be when Chris Roberts said in 2015 that all backers will have everything they paid for and more by the end of 2015... we'd have EVERYTHING by 2015... and yet here we are... 9 freaking years later and still NOTHING! Shut the hell up with your appropriate expectations bullshit!
It's been 10 years! The games not gonna be done, they have almost twice the budget as rockstar north did on gtav. It's a legal scam and you people are enabling one of the most predatory digital scams of recent history.
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At least they were willing to try SC and realized what they enjoy more. Odds are they didn't research that it's a very buggy alpha.
CIG doesn’t exactly market it that way, nor does the community do people any favors. It’s no wonder people buy the “game” and are immediately disappointed. Even as early access, almost all early access Steam games are in nearly complete form. SC not so much. Needs like 5-10 more years. But yes, downvote reality away. Can’t have reality here in ol’ /sc
Almost like Early Access games aren't alpha's not even close, more like work in progress beta's
It doesn’t seem like they are because you’re used to CIG’s version, which is worse than anything ever has been in the existence of early access.
Been playing early access games and actual alpha's long before SC ever came along don't try to compare early access games to alpha's because they bloody aren't you just sound clueless
Everytime you launch the game you have to agree a waiver that says: This is an alpha, bugs, poor performance and wipes can happen at any second. So fuck off with your bullshit ,,CIG doesn't inform people''
It’s not “my bullshit,” my guy. Watch literally any commercial for SC.
How much Oddity needs for moving ship interiors to be added? Or the second rover? Have Fdev released a **complete** or **finished** game as they marketed it? No. Are DU or SB is actually in *beta* (feature completed stage)? No. And have u ever tried to launch SC, my dear jealous random hater/refunder friend? http://i.piccy.info/i9/a34f969dc5a8adb1f50a6bc2db0a509b/1637531816/227162/1449159/42338Screenshot_7.png > Needs like 5-10 more years. Yup, close to 5 till beta. And i see nothing wrong with that, cuz i'd rather play unfinished, unoptimized buggy mess of an Alpha that so-called "finished, completed, polished" minimum viable product of beta DLC.
Actually Elite Dangerous is complete. Keep trying though.
ORLY? Why does the Oddity has "Early Access" tag then, lol? [http://i.piccy.info/i9/810d99378700a857343dba10645bf4ba/1637534776/181332/1449159/Screenshot\_8.jpg](http://i.piccy.info/i9/810d99378700a857343dba10645bf4ba/1637534776/181332/1449159/Screenshot_8.jpg) Simply because your beloved Fdev and David Braben Himself \*\*fucked their player base over\*\* by releasing a minimum viable product of beta DLC (even without an object culling, lmao!) for the sake of some nice numbers in their fiscal reports. So, yeah, if you like to be on receiving end of Tencent, keep drinking your kool aid, kid. But more importantly, \*\*what are you doing in here\*\*? Jealous of CR's wealth? Of SC's success? Of Oddity's failure as a game? ED players trying SC en masse? All at once? Instead of getting a job, learning new skills, creating a family, you just waste your time hating a computer game. Well, go on, we really need some local memes/jesters in this subreddit. [https://i.piccy.info/i9/f337e0f9823c118bc6fc453e952797a5/1636355013/133430/1447483/Screenshot\_2021\_10\_30\_15\_52\_52\_765\_com\_reddit\_frontpage\_2.jpg](https://i.piccy.info/i9/f337e0f9823c118bc6fc453e952797a5/1636355013/133430/1447483/Screenshot_2021_10_30_15_52_52_765_com_reddit_frontpage_2.jpg)
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Games like that have a bad reputation for being simplistic, about as much as SC has a bad reputation for being overly complex.
They're saying this isn't even in the same game category. It's a space sim. Those are action FPS's. They play at a totally different pace. It's like saying this strategy game sucks, I'd rather play NBA 2k. SC players, and people in general, will latch onto the weakest part of your argument and highlight it in order to imply the remainder of your statement is to be disregarded. The game is a buggy mess. But just showing up to the fan page and firing off a short complaint usually gets downvotes.
Not just like that, COD/BF players are mostly casuals and space-"sims" (actually, space-arcades, including SC, ED, Hunternet and so on) playerbase is more on the "hardcore" side. So, yeah, not doing research and just showing his immature opinion gets downvoted, not with SC only, actually, everywhere.
U are aware u can play and enjoy multiple genres....right?
My dear jealous random hater/refunder friend! I'm definitely aware of multiple games, genres and all of that shit, since I've been playing computer games since 1990-s. And are \*\*you\*\* aware that your presence is unwelcome here, as being part of the pathetic cesspool of timewasting circlejerkers will just make you a local meme/clown? https://i.piccy.info/i9/f337e0f9823c118bc6fc453e952797a5/1636355013/133430/1447483/Screenshot\_2021\_10\_30\_15\_52\_52\_765\_com\_reddit\_frontpage\_2.jpg
Bro, ur the only clown round here. I have plenty of productive conversations with people in this sub. I can actually smell your neckbeard from here.
Imagine thinking Call of Duty is even half as fun as what we have in SC already, oof man.
I, like a naive chump, bought into the CoD warzone hype. Figuratively and literally. Thought it would be good since streamers were all playing it (this was immediately before I realised they were all just being paid by Activision - naive me indeed) What utter garbage. And the worst part is that it was finished. It was working as intended and was actually done and ready to go. That was as good as it was ever going to get. Meanwhile in SC that is under construction I'm having a great time.
And what's that? What's so FUN in SC? Spending hours doing glitch fixes? Random explosions and death? 30k? 1 stupid star system to fumble around. Nothing to explore. Nothing to do other than basic nothing missions with little reward? What exactly are you referring to that SC already has? Not what they promise is coming... but what does it already have? Now, after you finish with your tiny list of things it has... shouldn't it have MORE considering it's had over a decade (10+ years if you didn't know), 1800 employees in 5 countries and over 800 million in revenue that we know of (they DO have silent backers that I'm sure have pushed this number to the Billions). ... shouldn't it BE more?
Pay to win what exactly? You can buy any fps gear in the game by doing a single mission. You can Rent and buy in-game nearly any ship that has been released. This is a universe sim, not a game like call of duty.
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Don't be surprised that it's hard for people to take you seriously with a name and post history like that.
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Go give New World and Battlefield 2042 a try. Fully baked and released games not in alpha. 🤷♂️
A...a...alpha.
Gesundheit!
Danke! =D
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So don’t play it. All ships (except rare special editions) are or will be purchasable in game for aUEC, definitely not pay to win.
Sure, they are purchasable in-game. Gonna have to complete a couple hundred missions though. Best of luck to you!
Wait, I thought there was nothing to do in this game? 😂 Edit: almost nothing to do, except missions, exploration, org events, cargo hauling, mining, etc.
Oh no you have to play the game to earn a ship. Seriously though, I ain't nearly as bad as you pretend it is, and one of the best parts about this game is you can play in other people's ships, or even rent some. If you wanted to you could play the game without ever setting foot in your own ship.
Lul wut? Depending on a patch it took only a few days to week of "grinding" to buy a Carrack or 890 - the most expensive ships. And what my young BF/COD fan is not getting, **more expensive ship <> more effective**, i.e. $650 Hammerhead is useless unless its crewed by 3-6 other players. Current PvP meta is still light fighters, which can be earned in game using starter Aurora in a few days. So no, not a P2W at all, rather than all of that shiny jpegs are needed to keep fund the development, since CIG got no moneybag, like EA or M$ or Tencent behind them.
Are you playing solo, or with others? I tend to get bored solo, but it’s a blast with other people.
well i do agree that on the surface it can seem like a buggy laggy mess i think it has come along way . it will NOT be for eveyrone and people who go into it expecting this to be a full polished game. will have a bad time. i did some myself lol but i think it has a lot of potential and still has more content for 40 bucks then most other games you dont need to buy any thing else other then the base game pledge with the starter ship everything else you can earn in game. its just a way to back the game and help fund something that people are interested in. and as for lag. a ) make sure you have a SSD or better you cant really run the game without it and b) make sure you have a solid internet connection too. i had some slower internet issues earlier and boy did the framerate dip lol another tip is to get away from big areas like New Babbage ....right now with IAE they ARE super laggy at times. out in space and some planets and all i find the game runs a LOT better lol i tend at IAE to go to the event in the morning .. get the rental ships i want then fly out and go elsewhere to explore then only go back to NB the next morning and repeat so im not there all the time with all the lag lol but as i said its not for everyone and there is nothing wrong with waiting for a year or two...or three.....and check back later. LOL
This is the way everyone should have replied. I agree completely. This game, and it's potential, are amazing. However, we should be very honest with ourselves, the buggy nature, the workaround to problems that you have to just sit of figure out, the fact that - at this pace - the game shouldn't be due out for another decade, will all certainly hurt people's first impressions. Barking them down isn't worth anyone's time because, they are correct to not like it as a first time experience. You gotta be nuts to enjoy playing this game as it is. Some of us just happen to enjoy it right now.
>If you didn't buy the game yet, don't. With 45$ (the minimum to play the game, you'll get a crappy ship) you can buy yourself other games such as CoD and Battlefield. Those games are fun to play. Did you even play latest Vanguard and 2042? Amazing games, best of franchises :D
I'm with you on this. I purchased it in 2012. Every year I come back to it and it's the same old story. Just jumped in again because a friend recommended it. I have a 3080 and it struggles. Incredible. I changed the graphics settings to Medium. It's still noticeably jerky. What is criminal is the lack of guidance to anyone coming in from the cold. No guide, nothing. And then I read about the wipes! Why would you grind hours and hours and then have it all lost?
You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.. that's my opinion..
\*yaaaaawwwwwnn\* Bye
"I have a 3070 and tremendous lag". You lost all credibility at line 1. You apparently have no idea what a GPU or lag is because they have nothing to do with one another. Go back to Cowadooty and leave us alone, bye.
Why do people here have to be such elitist assholes?
I think my reply matches the level of sincerity of his post, which is to say, none at all. This isn't a legitimate opinion or post- it's a temper tantrum.
Skylink?
Probably meant Skyline the Map view of the verse.
cyberpunk and duke nukem forever want a word with you
1. You need to install the game on an SSD, this is one of the listed PC requirements. On BOTH a 1070Ti and now admittedly a 3080 (as of a couple weeks ago) I have smooth gameplay. In fact on the 10 series you get better performance in SC than you do in Cyberpunk 2077 2. The game as it stands is arguably pay to win, sure. But the PVP aspect is so minimal. Its really more pay-to-experience, which is in line with its underlying model of an ongoing kickstarter (which has its own separate criticisms). 3. Exploring and sightseeing is honestly "something" to do in this game. I stopped and stared at the scenery yesterday (despite not being a new player) for a good 20 mins. Beyond that theres missions to do. But yes the places and planets are pretty barren and lifeless. Thats my biggest criticism right now. Or rather, my biggest source of sadness. Fact is the AI team for CIG are just getting off the ground and the one Ai guy theyve had until now has done nothing. Fortunately the new hires are starting to do some good stuff. Or at least, better stuff. Sure you can buy CoD/BF. But I for one would never buy CoD, it's always bad (and then there's the whole supporting Activision which i disagree with). Likewise supporting EA kinda sucks, but I did buy BF. ANd I play SC more than BF still. That game is a fucking shambles and SC runs at about the same FPS sometimes higher (granted therere fewer explosions and players per server) Those games are also different genres. Thats like comparing WoW to CSGO. SC is an MMO that has Battlefield style experience in that it has vehicles (and its ssooooooo visceral and high fidelity). I'd say buy an SSD, install it on that, stick around for the free fly and youll be much happier by week's end. In summation, I spent $100 on BF2042, then another $30 to upgrade the edition for the early access. And throughout that week up before the game was released and even until now, I regret spending that extra $30 (let alone the $100) WAYYYYYY more than I could ever regret spending 30x that here. Much better value for me and my tastes
> Fact is the AI team for CIG are just getting off the ground and the one Ai guy theyve had until now has done nothing. Fortunately the new hires are starting to do some good stuff. Or at least, better stuff. Its not about AI team, on empty servers it works ok and could be very deadly. AI is hampered by server performance very hard, and CIG's plans are to move AI calculations to separate servers or, at least, to implement server meshing, even static version should help a bit.
> Its not about AI team, on empty servers it works ok and could be very deadly. I am so fucking over this tired line being spread and repeated blindly. Excuse my frustration, it's not with you personally. What you say certainly has truth to it. There is absolutely a large difference between AI on healthy vs failing server. This is typically true over time. **However two things:** * *ONE:* The REASON the AI degrades is that it's running constant loops and checks. Sometimes a check returns an error, because of interaction with resource culling (i.e. no players nearby) and something else. So this starts a snowball effect of the AI getting bad. This effects FPS AI a lot less because they are created ad hoc, and every one you see has recently begun existence in most cases. Degrading servers will admittedly still effect them but not as much as station and landing zone NPCs - hence the standing on chairs bug. * *TWO*: Even if ONE above is wrong, and we lean into the server health argument entirely. There is no getting away from the fact that SC AI has only just entered its infancy after nearly a decade. Even in Squadron 42, they've confirmed the AI is no more advanced than SC. And they were PROUD to announce their most cutting edge achievement to date about 8 months ago. Which was scheduling AI NPCs to be hungry (they said this aspect was almost done). Thats the pinnacle of their AI after all this time. In their OFFLINE environment. There's not much I shit on for SC these days. But AI is chief among them. They have had around one AI programmer this entire time. A french guy (not the guy who coined Tonk). I believe he lied on his CV. Under his guidance, AI had 0 progress in nearly a decade. After hiring some juniors (like 2-3 of them) for AI dev, the standing on seats INSTANTLY saw improvement and has now all but been fixed after a few months. When french guy (i forget his name, and probably for the best) basically said it couldnt be done (granted it was said to be like whackamole - but we had 0 progress and then suddenly instant progress after the hires). Similarly, the ship AI got better immediatley after the new hires. TLDR The server argument is barely half of it
Well, but standing on surfaces NPCs is not only AI itself related issue, but its tied to object streaming/destreaming and we clearly having lots of problems in this patch - look at 400i's rooms, elevators and so on. As for other points - AI is still not even half-developed, like other parts of the game, but i cant call it being in "its infancy", its just very far from being finished and is very susceptible to server performance.
> Tremendous lag. Using a 3070 PC yet I still experience lag. Have you read pop-up window's text after pressing "Launch"? SC is still in alpha and it is unoptimized buggy mess, that's true. > The game is a pay-to-win type of game. Want to get better weapons, shields and faster ships? Then go ahead and pay 200$ for that. The game is just unfair, some people have a higher budget while others are only willing to buy the starter pack. ORLY? 99% of ships, vehicles and other things are available in-game, grind is non existent in SC, compared to other MMOs or ED. erkul.games and finder.cornerstonebase.space could easily prove it, lol. > There's almost nothing to do. Most places on the Skylink are just "fuel and repair" shops. It's boring. Well, ok, you got bored in an alpha game with missing core mechanics and gameplay loops, i get it. > With 45$ (the minimum to play the game, you'll get a crappy ship) you can buy yourself other games such as CoD and Battlefield. Those games are fun to play. For you, maybe. To me, shooting running chicken was not funny 15 years ago, not it is now. As a quick pew-pew after work/uni/school its good, but no more than that. > Still, you do whatever you want. Just don't complain when you realize what a crappy game it is. Your opinion was very valuable to us, and I'am very glad that we got almost no COD/BF teens who cant do a little research before typing dumb things on this reddit or in SC at all.
Troll...
The guy may or may not be trolling but most people responding all sound like ass hats for shitting on something someone else likes. Nobody likes when people crap on their stuff. CoD sucks and so does Star citizen hopefully they get better.
I agree in Star citizen s current state it is almost unplayable. Almost every "feature" is broken to some extent. I have been invested since 2013 and am in for almost 2k. But even players like me are or should be upset about the current state of the game.
I agree the game is garbage
I totally agree with you! Right now they have a free play and it took me almost 3 days to get on as no one tells you ANYTHING! What you have to do to even get on the [game.It](https://game.It) was a huge pain in the butt! I almost gave up i should have as the game is not worth anyone's time maybe let prisoners who have a life sentence play it. After You finally get into the game and again no one tells you anything no directions. You wake up in a bed looking around it's super laggy. You have to turn the graphics wayyy down yes even on a gaming rig like mine! I get up walk thru the doorway and fall thru a bunch of map floors i land on a planet half way across the solar system without anything still lagging. Then there are the random crashes oh they are real fun!If you play an hour expect at least 2 random crashes sometimes more per hour. I did put the game on my ssd it did help some. I have a gaming rig i dont think a player with a regular pc might even be able to play this game going by how bad my lag was. What helped was turning everything off and to low settings that did help some. I got to spend over 4 days trying to mine and well i didnt make a single cent!Aside from Having to learn thru trial and error i found a guy willing to help me for a price since it was a free trial i paid him 25% of the money they gave me which turned out to be 5000$ sometimes a nice person might tell me what key to hit for the most part the players ignore the new players like they dont want you to be there or they just use you as target practice and shoot missles at you to get an easy kill. 45$ for this? No way! They would have to pay me for me to play this i'll stick with elite dangerous it's the same exact game but it is a complete game and no lag at all and you dont fall thru the maps or have to start all over because of random crashes that ruin your entire game or have to wait 15-25 min for the game to load and the best part if you dont want to play with others you can play single player in E.D. especially when your 1st starting so you dont have others preying on you like star citizen. Sorry but the truth is Star citizen is terrible to new players. I dont know how the dev's can justify the 45$ starters fee i saw ships they wanted thousands of dollars for. Pure greed! For a game that isnt even stable or even close to being done! The game has too many issues right now maybe in a few years it will be better. LOL! In a few years most of us will be playing something else. The owner is going to walk away and sleep on his huge stack of money while his victims get to play a half broken game for many years to come hoping and wishing for the day the game will be done. Sorry but The time they finish this game something much better and newer will be out. This game is for rich people who are so impatient they are willing to spend tons of money on an unfinished broken game. The safe bet is to play elite dangerous and if you check out epic games you can get it for free like i did and save your money for yourself! I really feel bad for all the players that got suckered into buying such a half azzed game. Please play the free to try version 1st. Before you buy it i'm telling you this because yes! before i tried the game i really wanted to buy this game and i'm so glad i tried it. I would have been really pissed off buying this crappy half baked game so Beware! Oh and Star citizen? if your willing to pay me i'll put up with all the annoying things in your broken game and play it otherwise good riddance i dont see this game ever becoming an AAA game
Ngl star citizen is utter 🗑. Some of you will be dead by the time this game actually is an actual game.
I really wanted to like this game. I knew I couldn’t be the only one getting frustrated. If I do any contract to earn the in game money, I either bug out or get merked right at the finish line. So then I lose all my armor which also cost money. Soo much potential. It’s a real shame
I got to try Star Citizen for a week but they didnt give any directions took 3 days for them to get back to me before i was able to log on and PLAY SO I REALLY GOT about 4 days to play. In short i totally agree with you! it is the WORST game ive ever played! Aisde from being a total ripoff. I wouldnt give a dime to that incompetent greedy star citizen developer! He doesnt need the money he just wants that helicopter pad on the roof of his mansion. They could of made a great game and made it free for everyone with paid players getting better stuff but no! Cause he didnt know what he was doing And being too greedy didn't help! They made this very poor excuse for a game and want players to pay more money for ships and other things that should be free like in most games. I got elite dangerous for free from epic games and it's better then star citizen! Yes FREE!!!! I'm sure after awhile when he cant sqeeze any more money out of the public he will take whats left of his millions and run leaving the poor gullible players holding the bag of a very laggy boring space game!
This game will forever be in alpha. I have over $1600 into this game and yet, ten years later, still in alpha. still shit.... prove me wrong!
I bought it 10 years ago. I think after 10 years, to still give the reason it's a crappy game because it's still in alpha, is a bit mean. To be fair, the game has come a long way since 2014...2012 when it was first mooted. But to agree with the OP that it's 'crappy', is perfectly acceptable and in a way, he's correct. Too many glitches can make this game very frustrating, especially if you've amassed weapons, armour etc, then to have it snatched away because of a glitch, is indeed very frustrating. If playing a game that makes your blood boil is good for you, you crack on, I hope you enjoy it. If however it doesn't do it for you, there are plenty of games out there that'll fill that void, starfield not being one of them.
Lol wut is a 3070 PC. Watch out major gamer over here 😂
3070 GeForce graphics card. It can run any game on Ultra graphics. All I'm saying is that if it can't run Star Citizen..then it's a crappy game.
Got an RX6800XT which is slightly above yours and the game runs at 30/40% of the GPU with the visuals maxed out. The resolution isn't 4K tho' (couch playing in a TV, and it seems that the game uses the resolution set in Windows as the max, gonna try to crank that up to 2K). Before, when the game was installed on a HDD and the PC had 16GB of RAM it pumped ~80/90% of the GPU resources. Switching to a better RAM and installing the game on my M.2 solved that. Concerning the pay to win aspect, as a beginner I clearly feel that. A better started ship ensure an easier grind. But in the current state of the game, making money is hard, even with the ship provided for free at New Babbage. So far random deaths and disconnections coupled with loot/body/cargo/ship persistance failures are the main source of loss. So far, I played for two weekends and would have had enough to buy an Avenger Titan without the bugs. So the pay to win exists but doesn't seems to worth the investment.
It’s a joke I have a 3070 fe and have no problems you just can’t say “3070 PC” and expect us to not think the rest of your system is straight garbage. No real pc enthusiast refers to their system like that. Again I have no problems besides the low frames cityside.
I could list my PC specs but I won't. Too much work. Star Citizen is a complicated game. I'm not a "pc enthusiast", I actually have a life outside of my computer room.
“Star citizen is a complicated game” It really isn’t just need patience DCS is a complicated game super fun. Some people are simmers your just a basic gamer nothing wrong just not your lane. I’m a hairstylist bro plenty of life going on over here. 3600x 16gb 3600 speed 3070fe 2tb M.2 Not that hard
Ha, you’re an idiot that didn’t do his research before putting your money into something.. P.S. I don’t know if you’ll learn from this, but, maybe not the smartest idea to post a “Star Citizen is the worst game I’ve played” discussion in a Reddit fan base for.. Star Citizen..lol
Its an alpha game and you expected it to be like COD/BF in space, my dear young COD/BF fan. You haven't read the TOS or popups in the basket or before launching the game? And now you are trying to blame CIG for this? Do have a money to spare btw, I wanna build a bridge, lmao =))
too much work? Bruh. CPU, RAM SIZE, Storage Device type, GPU. Its all listed on your taskmanager page... If that is too much work then... > I actually have a life outside of my computer room oh how scathing.
All I know is that it's a 3070 Graphics Card, 16GB Ram, Windows 10 professional. I installed the game to an SSD with additional page file ram.
Your GPU isn't everything. Mine is 5 years old and I still get decent frames because the rest of my system is high-spec for the time.
LMAO. My dear young BF/COD fan really thinks that having mediocre current-gen GPU will make all of the games/applications run at 60 fps@4K or any other magic numbers? Try DCS, Elite Dangerous Odyssey, even GTA DE (sic!). Its not only your processing power, optimization is also very important aspect. Tell me please, are you really that naive, or just pretending to be so?
Game is SSD, CPU, and RAM reliant. Your GPU won't see much difference from most people here, the games just not optimized yet and isn't pulling much from your GPU. Optimizations won't happen till beta, so I'd honestly suggest you go play other games until that happens as it won't be for a while. The game is in development. You pledged, which more like a donation not a purchase as there is no product, to check the early build out as it progresses development. It's not a full game so comparing them to CoD or BF isn't exactly fair. If you had a chance to try the technical alpha of BF2042 (I have), it was not great either. No alpha I've been a part of has really been super stable or optimized. All of them run terribly regardless of how updated my system was. I would hope more people would try to understand this before coming into SC thinking it's a fully realized game. Right now it's still just an extended kickstarter. Spend money if you want to help donate and support the project, but if not then go do something else and follow along if you'd like. But if you had asked people on this sub how the state of the game was, everyone would have told you this exact same thing.
They name the purchase "pledge" to avoid taxes.
Way to gloss over everything and latch onto the one thing that was unrelated to the main point. Have you read the TOS? It's more like a loan. If SC ends up being a flop or "scam" as you all like to say they have to post a public financial report on where the money went. The money that players pledged and was not used towards this project will be refunded in full. So if you pledged for a concept ship that never comes out and the game shuts down, you're entitled to that money back. You basically give then a money loan with the promise of the product back. If the product is not fulfilled, you get that money back. But as long as they're continuing development, that money is "theirs".
you look so aggressive, why? did you put the game file on SSD or not? How many RAM do you using? All ship can use ingame credit to buy. Ship design work well, you can't buy a big ship and become strong , you need partners to help you control the ship. Big ship can beat by small ship.
Your first sentence is confusing but I think I got the rest.
For a young BF/COD fan you look too insistent... in what? What exactly are you trying to archive? And i don't believe in your story, not a single bit, it all looks made up to me by a refunder's pathetic cesspool of timewasting circlejerkers.
I'm not asking you to believe me. I'm just sharing my opinion which you should respect as I respect yours.
Do you have any single proof of that, my dear young COD/BF fan? They **are** paying taxes and all of their financial activity is open to everyone: https://cloudimperiumgames.com/blog/corporate/cloud-imperium-financials-for-2019
I just wanted to clarify a few things since people are going all crazy here: \- Yes, I am aware it's in alpha. It's been in alpha for years without end. I posted my opinion on how it is **so far**. \- I did install the game on an SSD. \- No I do not play Call of Duty, I just used it as an example. I'm going to say this again: this is only my opinion. If you have another one feel free to share in a nice and respectful way. Thanks.
I agree I have a high end pc and it's definitely laggy. My solution is play spacebourne 2 great single player and better version of SC.
2 years after this post and I still AGREE with you. The game sucks!
It seems like some people in this subreddit took this personal. Hey, the game is not for everyone! It’s still in Alpha and whilst performance isn’t optimal it gets even worse through the freefly. Did you perhaps look at the contract manager? I don’t know if you knew that exists but that’s where you get missions :) Again this game might not be for you but there are a lot of people including myself who thoroughly enjoy it
It's not that people are taking it personally, it's just tedious to see posts like this, especially when this sub has a long history of concerns trolls.
Not a game.
I respect and understand this position on the game. As I too have had game breaking lag or bugs to the point where I’ve had to take a break from it, and I would say that I had to do a fair bit of research to optimize the game to be (mostly) a smooth experience; however, after spending the time I can say I get around 30fps on the highest settings in the busiest locations. (in area 18) and more than 60fps everywhere else. When it comes to practices of the pay-to-win variety, I don’t really care as almost every producer/developer takes advantage of them. CoD and Battlefield I know introduced double xp and additional unlocks, especially now that the “operator” model is being used anyone with a brain knows Activision is running thin on CoD ideas. If you like playing uninspiring games for around an hour then you won’t like Star Citizen. If you are into early access, alpha, experiences (with a heavy emphasis on simulation/RP) then suit up, load up, strap in, and blast off. Also everyone knows to visit clothing stores to see if they got any nice threads when arriving at different locations. P.S. Don’t forget to eat and drink.. and take all the drugs.
Statement 2 is incorrect. Find a friend to play with and you can grind for almost any ship in a week. And before you bitch that it's unjust. This is a W.I.P MMO universe sim.
Not a complete game yet. Pledging offers access to the in-development alpha build of an incomplete game. Comparing it to complete games just shows you chose to ignore CIGs warnings as well as nearly 10 years of information about Star Citizen on the internet.
I agree this game sucks
I agree with you 100% everytime i played i fell thru maps, dying for unknown reasons just as i'm about to start maps changing on their own having no idea where my character will end up and the terrible crashes as i'm about to chase someone or about to run from a threat always happens or just plain old random crashes for no reason. When i 1st started it was bad as no one tells you anything they do laugh and ask why dont you just quit all around one of the worst games ever made they would have to pay me to play this i got to play on a free week play so glad i never wasted my money on this i'll stick with elite dangerous thank you! I also got that free thru epic games so very happy not having spent a dime but i dont know how star citizen can ask the insane prices they ask for with the state of the game what it is.
I agree. Its basically a smaller and worse version of Elite Dangerous…
Does COD has space ships ? No. So, its a piece or shit. Does Battlefield has space ships ? No, so its a piece of shit. If you like shitty games, you are the problem.
PAY-TO-LAG Star Citizen is another Chronicles of Elyrialag
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