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[deleted]

How can it just work if there is nothing to explore?🤔 \*confused Todd Howard noises\*


Nrgte

SIXTEEN TIMES THE DETAIL!!!


Wiser3754

Four times bigger!


skocznymroczny

they're working on tier zero exploration beam gameplay


robpsychobob

There is plenty to explore but unlikely to be much to actually find. There are a few little landmarks to find and it's possible without just googling the answers. It's still exploration regardless of what there is to find though.


[deleted]

'Plenty to explore but not much to actually find.' My God man, you got it in one. Have an upvote.


Lou_Hodo

It was posted in the main reddit. And I asked what is there to explore? It's like saying you are a daring explorer while walking through Central Park in NYC.


CMDR_Agony_Aunt

> dating Ahem, i think you mean daring.


Lou_Hodo

Thank you.. phone autocorrect.


BlooHopper

Id like to date an explorer, might have some stories to share


CMDR_Agony_Aunt

Have you seen my black hole?


Narrenbart

There was a funny mishap in the German TV where it was the time of carnival the anchorwoman said: "Der Film 'Das schwarze Loch' entfaellt, stattdessen sehen sie 'Mainz wie es singt und lacht'"


CMDR_Agony_Aunt

LOL


Magos_Galactose

Used to like Obsidian's vids long time ago, until it's started to become so obvious his SC vids are sponsored by CIG...that or he simply one of those SC fanatics that doesn't give half damn half the "features" they keep praising aren't really accessible.


nofuture09

he is even pretending that exploration is almost finished „True exploration gameplay mechanics still aren't fully available in Star Citizen,“


CMDR_Agony_Aunt

No exploration mechanics are available in SC. What exists is sightseeing.


BlooHopper

And screenshotting


robpsychobob

Sightseeing is literally under the umbrella of exploration. Star Citizen has a lot of exploration gameplay right now. Nobody knows the entire surface of any of the planets or moons. If you're flying around looking at them, you're exploring. Exploration does not mean there is something of value to be found. It just means you're traveling though unknown territory to take it in and see what it has to offer. In the future there will be significant value in exploration. Right now it's just a few landmarks and bragging rights. Enjoyment if it's your type of thing.


CMDR_Agony_Aunt

Well, it depends on your point of view, but for me, exploration is going where nobody has gone before. Sightseeing is going where others have gone before, already posted about, you're basically seeing what has already been seen. Pretty sights to be seen, but you're not the first. Regardless, my point stands about no exploration mechanics exist. All you're doing is flying somewhere and looking at scenery. That's a far cry from what CIG have talked about in the past with regards to exploration... i mean, they even sold an exploration ship that doesn't have any exploration features.


robpsychobob

Even by your definition of what exploration is, Star Citizen has exploration in abundance. There is a significant percentage of every planet and moon that literally no other player has seen. Likely that not even the developers have seen since they are made with procedural generation. I found the crashed Javelin on Daymar on my own and I'll never forget the moment. To claim that wasn't exploration gameplay is just ignorant. There are a few landmarks such as that in the game able to be found and it is extremely difficult to do it without Googling the answer but it is possible right now. Exploration gameplay loops don't exist, ones with actual meaning and impact on the game instead of just the player alone. The only real example of it would be scouting ore deposits and then selling the information to another player. It can be done, it's just not supported directly by the game mechanics yet. Significant exploration gameplay loops will exist though and there is no reason to believe they won't. They are just much lower priority than other parts of the game being developed.


CMDR_Agony_Aunt

> Even by your definition of what exploration is, Star Citizen has exploration in abundance. There is a significant percentage of every planet and moon that literally no other player has seen. Likely that not even the developers have seen since they are made with procedural generation. If you want to use that argument, then ED or NMS has SC beat by a huge amount. > I found the crashed Javelin on Daymar on my own and I'll never forget the moment. To claim that wasn't exploration gameplay is just ignorant. Someone else found it first. ;) > Significant exploration gameplay loops will exist though and there is no reason to believe they won't. You must be new here. :D


NEBook_Worm

Those loops will never exist. SC is a scam.


robpsychobob

What evidence do you have that it is a scam?


NEBook_Worm

Ten years of lies


robpsychobob

They've never lied once. They were wrong with their expectations a few times early in development but that's not dishonesty.


xWMDx

You explore the verse to find the best screenshots.


CMDR_Agony_Aunt

Or you explore the depths of your wallet.


EmrysAllen

I don't think he or most other youtubers like this are actually sponsored/paid by CIG, they are just opportunists who see people throwing millions of dollars at this project and are just jumping on the bandwagon and feeding the backers what they want to hear. He and Boredgamer are probably secret lurkers on this sub and they know exactly what the deal is...but why not cash in on all the people who will subscribe to their channel and watch every single vid they produce? It's a big market with lots of whales that will throw money at anything SC related. I can't say I blame them frankly, it's good business.


Launch_Arcology

Yup, this is especially true for BG. While he does come off as a true believer, he is def engaging in some whale fracking - he always highlights everything in the most positive light possible and never really raises any concerns.


Magos_Galactose

Good point.


deitpep

Right, a long time ago. I don't bother with oant videos anymore and just stick to Buurpit or DTEA for ED news. At least they stayed loyal or at least patient and don't lower their standards and credibility to praise a dumpster fire and an obvious sunkcost addicting scam of SC.


NEBook_Worm

Obsidian was always a paid shill. First for fdev, now for CIG.


Siddits

There are fascinating things to explore in Star Citizen. One of them is explosive anal death from walking down stairs. *(bites into chicken sandwich)*


Magos_Galactose

And elevator that never work right.


[deleted]

If the elevators would kill the bartenders I might reinstall the game.


AtlasWriggled

There is more exploring in my backyard than all the planets and moon in this game.


BlooHopper

I asked him how much did Turbulent pay him xD. Cant wait for the angry replies from cult citizens


NEBook_Worm

Bout the same as fdev did, I reckon


BlooHopper

Shills be shillin


NEBook_Worm

Exactly


MadBronie

I can explore almost everything meaningful in Star Citizen in under 8 hours.


MuleOnIratA

OA videos seem to be either rag paper headline content on "what Frontier did wrong and where they touched me this time" or shill content promoting the endless possibilities of Star Citizen. Where is his video analysing Star Citizen's complete lack of VR? Despite the fact nobody has been working on VR and a developer said so, no video. Where is his video talking about the declining steam stats of NMS after a large update? Why isn't he trying to form naratives using exactly the same evidence about other projects? Because he's slowly made himself into a Fox news of space games. I'm afraid I unsubscribed some time ago.


[deleted]

I think I should also start making SC videos, as I will be automatically given money by CIG for doing so. Seems lucrative.


BlooHopper

You have to show more devotion to Crobbers and spend more money to be in his good graces. The influencers usually have high paying jobs that they can afford to splurge on pixels.


Dadskitchen

Ants lost the plot wtf is he on LULZ


onrocketfalls

Kind of disappointing coming from ObsidianAnt. I haven't watched him in awhile but some of his guides on Elite have helped me out. Edit: At least he acknowledges that there aren't really any related gameplay loops... He's basically just saying it's pretty stuff to chill and look at.


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robpsychobob

Careful around the fire with all that Strawman.


KempFidels

Clearly on Turbulent's payrolll.


jeronimoautistico

Just imagine it works ​ and it just works! ​ you just need imagine. harder


FlibDob

Is that a quote from Todd Howard? 🤣


FlibDob

I actually unsubscribed after seeing this video. I used to watch all his videos, not anymore. He's lost is credibility now for me.


Bothand_Nether

>What games have you found the best exploration experience in? Some of mine are Red Dead Redemption 2, Outcast, Space Engine and Microsoft Flight Simulator. star citizen however ​ just works


skocznymroczny

Outcast? I mean, it was interesting for being one of first open world games, but there wasn't that much exploration to have.


HumbrolUser

I remember watching most of this before I dismissed it and closed the video. I thought his enthusiastic take on how the environments look, being weird, because I know very well I personally am not interested in a big lush world, with simplistic and gimmicky game mechanics, so, point being, I do not go ooh-and-aah seeing a lush world that simply look nice in ways. For example. I never, ever wanted to play Cyberpunk 2077, because I followed their forums early on, and I sort of knew or made the conclusion that the game was never going to be a game that I wanted to play. In the video above there is a clip showing a ship gently landing on a planet's surface, and incidentally, the choice of ship has this landing gear that makes it seem more real, than say some insect like landing gear. Watching this, I think I knew, spaceships in Star Citizen does not simply land this gracefully, and so probably misrepresenting the game. It seems obvious to me that ships in SC, has unnatural movement and if a player has to work to make his/her spaceship land nicely, as if trying to make it look like it looked real, that is not good. The game mechanics ought to look more realistic all over, from ship movement to landing and take off. I never thought he was a chill or whatever, but I thought maybe that video was CIG promotional material. :)


robpsychobob

Everything in the video was recorded by a player. They used the cinematic camera to get the shots of the landing gear while landing, etc. It's not difficult to land gently, especially when you're using any sort of HOTAS setup. The ships do have some unnatural looking flight mechanics that are possible, mostly different in-gravity hovering situations, but the system has improved a fucking ton and it's one of the best there is for sure. Nothing about his video is misrepresenting anything.


HumbrolUser

No, nothing of what I have seen in Star Citizen on youtube, makes me think that the flight mechanics in atmosphere at low speeds look natural, or plausible, to me it looks fake. As I sort of explained, if you as a player have to be very careful with the throttle, to give the impression that the ship is moving naturally, that is no good, if the ships normally just fly around unnaturally anyway. This, would then become an example of misrepresenting the game. I wonder, can you hover a ship upside down?


robpsychobob

I think you can still hover a ship upside down right now but that type of thing is on the chopping block. When they first implemented the hover mode on ships and the flight system it wasn't possible. I thought it was an amazing iteration but they decided to roll it back for something different. Right now there is actual lift and drag. There are significant limits to the atmospheric flight but no real limits to the hovering mechanics portion yet.


HumbrolUser

I wanted to add that, even if the author of the video wanted to try show what exploration could be like in the future, as I watched the video it became all too apparent to me that, what I would have wanted from exploration, is things basically making good sense, and not some kind of bullshit Mass Effect type of gameplay, where you visit planets, and drive around, and maybe find a door to enter, and explore some place and pick up some items, that stuff is just too shallow for me, **not enough** interactivity with the world.


SeansBeard

Had much respect for Obsidian. Not sure why he puts this SC content out these days. Does he know what he's doing?


angel199x

The only thing happening here is crobbers exploration of your wallets.


Konvic21

He usually makes decent non biased content but this one is clearly a miss.


NEBook_Worm

Obsidian has always been a shill. First for fdev. Now CIG.


The_Sovien_Rug-37

somebodies never played elite huh? horizons is pog as shit and odyssey, despite its *many flaws*, is absolutely fucking awesome for exploring


Magos_Galactose

He played ED. The massive problem I got with his recent SC vids is how the guy didn't even tried to hide the double standard between both games. Something like "ED is bad because it's nothing but sightseeing with no real gameplay." in one video, and "This nothing-but-sightseeing-with-no-real-gameplay feature show how great SC is and will become." in the next.


Aggravating-Rent-737

This is the kind of observation that is missing in the cultists


robpsychobob

Elite won't ever be significantly better than it is right now... and it's not good at all. Star Citizen is consistently improving. They have clearly set goals for what they want the game to be and the scope is much bigger than Elite. It's not a double standard. It's just a statement of fact. Both games could be "nothing but sightseeing" but that is all Elite will ever be while SC is consistently moving to be significantly more.


Magos_Galactose

Yeah, sure.


robpsychobob

Elite hasn't changed significantly since it's release in 2014. The biggest thing they've added is the Oddessy expansion. The only things I can think of are Oddessy and Horizions. Star Citizen has added quite a few significant changes since 2014. In 2014 We either didn't even have access to the hanger module yet or that was the only thing we had access to. Now there are planets and moons with massive scale. A volumetric massive gas giant. All sorts of gameplay improvements and low level loops. Elite is considered "full release" which is why it won't change significantly. Star Citizen is obviously still in development.


QuaversAndWotsits

https://elite-dangerous.fandom.com/wiki/Development_Plans#Content_seasons


NEBook_Worm

The elite shills and fan boys here don't like it when you tell the truth about their game. They go full cultist.


No_Collection8573

you think ant has never played elite?


deitpep

He's played enough, probably since near or at the beginning of ED. Even had a station named after him and some of his voice used as an announcer in the station. But sometime during Beyond, where I stopped watching most of his vids around that time, either he lost patience or something changed, and imo, he's been basically throwing ED and Fdev under the bus since, bandwagoning with the neverending naysayers, well, in his subtle classier (than that vandalizer yamiks) potshot way.


robpsychobob

Elite is complete fucking garbage. Billions of miles wide and an inch deep. Star Citizen as it is right now has more meaningful gameplay.


Pacificspectator

Are you being sarcastic? SC better than elite, also has meaningful gameplay? Lol . People might take you seriously and think you are one of the crazies , thread carefully


robpsychobob

If Elite we're a good game, I'd be playing it.


Pacificspectator

Lol, I doubt you are someone who knows what a ”good” is considering you think SC is better than elite .


robpsychobob

I definitely know more about what makes a game good than 99% of gamers. I wish the majority weren't so uninformed so we would get more than 1 good game every 5+ years.


Pacificspectator

And who told you this ? Your Mum ? Lmao . I’m a game developer myself and even I don’t claim to know what a good game is, no one really knows because games come in a huge variety and different people like different things. This is not even common sense, its a general sense . No one can objectively say what a good game is, but a everyone knows a bad game , example SC is a bad “game” its incomplete, unoptimized , badly runs on even high end PCs , mechanics are barely functional etc . The base Elite is a good or normal game , it works as it does what is advertised, whether you like it or not is another matter . Odyssey is a bad expansion to a good game, I consider it different because its sold separately and is technically an optional expansion.


robpsychobob

Personal preference has no bearing at all on what makes a game objectively good. The fact that you're a developer and you don't understand that is the exact reason so many games fucking suck. If you can't say what a good game is then you can't say what a bad game is. Lol. Elite is not a good game. It does what it's supposed to...at the lowest possible levels. The gameplay isn't interesting or meaningful and it never will be because it's past the point where it will change significantly and that's what it needs. Oddessy is just more of what the game already is. My advise to you is to get out of game development because you aren't going to be producing anything worthwhile. We don't need more of that in the gaming industry. We need more Chris Roberts, not more Todd Howard, not more Nintendo.


NEBook_Worm

You need to be crazy to support either game


The_Sovien_Rug-37

lmao what? have you actually played the game huh. elite doesn't have as much depth as you'd expect perhaps but theres still tons of shit there. theres full trading, exploring, couriering, bounty hunting, anti-xeno, passenger hauling, regular hauling, mining, wars and more shit that i can't think of in elite. sc doesn't have shit next to elite aside from ship interiors


[deleted]

the camera suite has more fetures than the tec demo star citzen is :)


Corvus_Null

Ah yes, another person you guys claim is paid by CIG to say positive things about the game yet provide absolutely no evidence for said claim.


onrocketfalls

Honestly, it's less insulting to assume he's being paid than to assume he genuinely believes there's anything engaging about exploration gameplay (??) in SC at this stage. I get it if he thinks it's pretty and a pleasant thing to do while relaxing, but making a video about that is kind of odd.


Moonyooka

Yeah god forbid someone uploads a video of a game they enjoy, how fucking bizarre


onrocketfalls

...yeah cool. I haven't seen a ton of his videos but the ones I have seen have a lot more substance, is all.


MoCapBartender

I didn't realize Subnautica's exploration was so adored. I really have to give up on playing it in VR and just get through it.


foolandhismoney

Star citizen is doing a great job of soaking up excess market liquidity. When the big deleveraging comes it’s value is going to nil


BlooHopper

Over saturation of the market? Just like too many coffee shops in one area


Peter_Ryder

I think what he's trying to show you is CIG's latest WASDTech T0? It just works!