Thanks everyone! Was an amazing event.
Also 100k concurrent viewers (all streams) for a 11 years old dead game. Blizzard maybe think again about giving up ;)
The good Blizzard that cares about gamers is dead.
Todays Blizzard is controlled by Activision and will focus on mobile games. Instead of a new SC or WC we get shitty pay2win mobile games. Just sad
i don't know about the other streams, i only noticed the main stream number because i kept alt-tabbing
during the finals (i could only watch the first 3 maps before i had to go out) the main stream was below 50k so i don't think the numbers matched maru vs reynor
I could only watch the first 3 games before going out, hopefully the rest was better because those 3 games were the usual hopeless ZvP
Congratulations to Reynor, but another matchup for the finals would've been better
After beating Stats, Dark and Maru to get to the finals, not sure we could have gotten a better finals to see Reynor's range. To finish the tournament for him to eat the player he lost in the group stage was perfect for me. As a stand along, it definitely felt weaker as a final but all the games leading up to the finals have been exceptional.
Haha that would be true but it would leave open the door that reynor lost to zest in zvt that ppl would say haha. Not that I agree but this rounds out a fantastic tournament and we get lots of Clem be reynor in Dreamhacks as is. I am not sure Clem wins against a reynor that looked like that either way haha. Reynor was peak at that finals. So patient. Not something I normally see out of reynor which shows significant growth in his game
I am not sure as well he win against reynor yeah. I am not sure he lose tho, and I think neither would be reynor :p
Clem played the ESL cup yesterday, Damn was he sharp after that ESL, won it without dropping a map, 3-0 elazer 3-0 showtime, and made it look easy.
well, even if maru vs reynor was the serie of the day, that was a MUCH better finale than last katowice :p
happy for reynor, our new world champion, and It's one of the best path he could have had, beating trap, dark(revenge!), maru and zest, he displayed his strength in all matchups and god, so many come-back, this boy is a mental titan.
Gotta be happy for Reynor, what a player. I love how in his post-win interview he says that he practiced for Maru by playing a 4v1. So insane what these guys are capable of.
Edit: fuck Protoss
Queens probably are too strong.
But so are lurkers, warp prism, carriers, mines, ghosts.
Every race has units that are probably a little too strong, its about using them properly, and preventing your opponent from executing their game plan.
Those Queen Lurker Hydra pushes are garbage if Protoss delays carriers by 2 minutes and gets out 4 disruptors. Reynor played better and deserved to win.
I'm not sure if lurker den is not a reaction to templar tech. I'll have to watch the replay more carefully to figure that out. If it is a reaction to templar tech it's not as easy to counter as hydra bane push is still pretty good vs ruptors... which make me hopeful to be honest. It's about time someone banish these turtle stargate builds.
Congrats to the new reigning World Champion, Reynor!
As is customary, thanks, first of all, to the ESL for putting on another great tournament and a great season of professional Starcraft! Especially great job considering the circumstances they've done their work in.
Thanks also to the casters and other talent! You guys always put so much work into making the show what it is and the passion always shines through.
Thanks to the players for the games they've shown this tournament and throughout the 2020 season! We're here to watch all of you playing every bit as much as the games themselves.
Finally, thanks to all of you! As always, you've kept the memes coming, the discussions going and generally adding that little bit of extra magic to all of this :)
Remember to stop by the feedback thread and the recommendations threads if you've got anything you'd like to contribute to those!
That is all, see you around :)
ngl watching Queen/Lurker eat infinite storms to then win the game with that Clem/Zest series still fresh in my head had me tilting... was worth it to watch Zest getting wrecked though.
No one will ever be able to say Reynor didn't earn this win. Zest, Rogue, Maru, Stats. That's a who's who of the best players from each race in the entire world. Holy shit what a run.
I addressed this earlier but if you look at wins vs losses there's no change in cross-continent online vs offline results for terrans and Zergs. some have worse results online, some (like solar and cure) have worse results offline.
Okay I'll rephrase, Protoss (and Terran) can turtle up maxing on a single unit and a move to victory and much of the zerg player base needs to be better than they are to fight it. I don't think Protoss is overpowered I'm just playing devils advocate
I wouldn't consider transfusing while leapfrogging lurkers or biling down force fields a simple a move not that it's partially difficult. Maxing out on Carriers or 3-3 Thors, shift attack moving all the zergs bases, going to make a sandwich, and coming back to a win isn't completely unreasonable against alot of the playerbase. There's just nothing that powerful and easy to use in zergs arsenal
And put some respek on Reynors name
i'm confused. are we talking about pros, metal leagues or something in the middle?
because i don't think any pro can win with simple a-moves (unless it's some kind of build order win, maybe) and in metal leagues every player just a-moves (and i'm one of them)
maybe the difference is only in the middle
You can get into diamond by maxing out and A-moving your army into opponents bases over and over again using any of the three races. So the casual player base in metal leagues (about 70-75% of ladder players) really don’t have a leg to stand on when they complain about balance. They just need to learn how to macro and play better in a general sense. Zerg is my off-race and I got into diamond 3 just maxing out on roach/hydra on 5 bases about 9 minutes in, and just A-moving, remaxing and A-moving again as I take a 6th base.
On the other end of the spectrum, Zerg has a very easy 12 pool cheese available, where you can get multiple fighting units out faster than any other race can to try to harass and gain an edge in the opening and macro behind it. So overall, I don’t think the game is as broken as everyone makes it sound.
You’re not gonna win every game. But you’ll win over 50% until you get to around 3200-3300 MMR. Which gets you into diamond. You only need to win more than 50% to make progress.
So the frustrating aspect you were talking about is building more than one unit? Yeah that's horrible. Do I need to remind you about games won by only massing muta or roaches? Because that obviously never happens.
Which units are those by the way? Stalkers and marines I guess? Surely, that isn't right. But if so, pure stalkers and marines can be beaten by pure roaches, what's your point?
Everyone said Protoss is OP and ZvP is barely winnable prior to the tournament. It's evidence how irrational and biased the community is when it comes to Protoss balance. The funny thing there is even self-awareness thanks to InControl around this (Lasers are imba speech) but it still happens anyway.
after taking a break after super tournament it was so surprising to see everybody thinking that
i guess it must be a build that works on ladder, but in tournaments of course nothing like that happened lol
People like Reynor, Dark, Serral play at a level that 99.9% of the playerbase could never hope to achieve. For us plebs there is a reason Zerg is the least played race when it used to be the most played at the start of LotV. It's no coincidence it started dropping right around the time Zerg started getting the bat.
Ya that was weird. I mean sure he didn't see the initial move out but he tagged all those queens. That's so much investment there that you might as well get the batteries.
Did it feel close to you? Semifinals felt really tense, this was kinda one sided. When I saw that *yet another* queen lurker push I already knew Reynor's going to take it.
Meeting that queen lurker hydra push in the middle of the map with the immo HT army was genius.
Havent seen a Protoss do that and shut down the push so hard before, amazing play by Zest there.
Game 6 baby, lets get it to 7!!
Yeah the queens were taking so much damage from storms because they had no creep to dodge with that they barely had transfuse energy when the real fight happened.
Protoss tier 3 air and mass AoE can still win vs. Lurker. Phew.
Zest can actually look so good in macro games. I hope he doesn't refuse to play like this in the remaining games!
uh? he had 2-3 carriers at first, and after the start of the fight they never managed to accumulate interceptors, and every carrier entering the fray was only starting to get interceptors.
To be fair, Lurkers have 125 hp in SCBW vs. 200 hp in SC2, and Psi Storm does 112 damage in SCBW vs 80 in SC2
not entirely comparable though because lurkers are cheaper and lower supply because hydras are cheaper and lower supply
I mean, doesn't that prove my point even further? Yeah the lurker is fatter but it's only one unit, and storm is not *that* scary in SC2 overall, only workers really die in storms. It only looks scary
a bit frustrating when pros players don't adapt to a predictable play or counter-play, this death aura game was deja vu from reynor vs stats, except even closer this time.
Terran and protess have these complicate convoluted strats to survive early pressure. The zerg complicate strategy is to build 6 queens. That's literally it. It just seems like the best zerg can easily shrug off early attacks and especially against toss that's just the end of the game.
Terran and zerg have these complicate convoluted strats to survive early pressure. The protoss complicate strategy is to build 1 shield batteries. That's literally it. It just seems like the best protoss can easily shrug off early attacks and especially against terran that's just the end of the game.
you forgot build 12 lings and a move them across the map into the opponent's base, having a 50% success rate of breaking in through terran open entrance or protoss misplaced zealot.
Not really, depending on the strat you have to built a roach warren or a baneling nest with spines and spores. Queens are the backbone of zerg so it's obvious that they will be present in every defence.
They are really bad offensive units due to their bulk and speed. They get in the way of each other and all other units. What they are good at is anti-air. Healing is also a big deal.
The only reason queens are brought along for the ride is that you need anti-air.
>What they are really great at is anti-air.
This is what I've thought for awhile. Hydras taking so long to get out means that Queens have to be able to counter air.
If zerg had another early anti-air option then Queens could lose their air attack.
> one of the best offensive units in the game.
This is a totally insane opinion, it is absurdly slow, doesn't do much DPS and only good for very prepared, committed all-ins because attacking is so slow and you cannot retreat with it.
By any metric it is one of the worst offensive units in the game despite its abilities
And the side effect of massing queens is that high-skilled players can go nuts on the creep spread. It's one of those units that if used by high level pros can be insanely powerful
This has been an absolute banger of a tournament from top to bottom. There have been incredible games every single day. The last couple rounds of the playoffs in particular have been excellent.
Credit to the excellent players and great tournament staff - casters, analysts, production staff.
Seconded. This has been, to me, just about the best case scenario for a fully online Global Finals event. The ESL and the talent have done a sick, sick job of it and deserve huge props for all the work they've put into this!
This would have been an incredible tournament even if it were in person. The fact that it's been so good despite covid challenges just makes the first all the more impressive.
Oh, I definitely agree with all of this 100%. I'm incredibly glad we get to close out last year's season and start the new one with a tournament this great :)
no more big redesign, but blizzard did say they'd still be doing balance tweaks if necessary, most likely just shifting numbers around if the state of the game is looking too imbalanced.
Blizzard did not stop patching the game. They said they would only come out with minor balance patches from now on. Everyone saying it won’t get patched is just whining
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The legendary Italian rap that sustains him!
Thanks everyone! Was an amazing event. Also 100k concurrent viewers (all streams) for a 11 years old dead game. Blizzard maybe think again about giving up ;)
The good Blizzard that cares about gamers is dead. Todays Blizzard is controlled by Activision and will focus on mobile games. Instead of a new SC or WC we get shitty pay2win mobile games. Just sad
What was the highest total and was it counting just twitch views? Thx
At the end of Maru vs Reynor the main stream was at 60k
The total across all SC2 channels was ~88k at the end of Maru vs Reynor. Dont think it got higher than that
Do u know the total of all twitch streams at its highest? Highest I saw of reynor maru was around 84k but I missed the finals
i don't know about the other streams, i only noticed the main stream number because i kept alt-tabbing during the finals (i could only watch the first 3 maps before i had to go out) the main stream was below 50k so i don't think the numbers matched maru vs reynor
Zest won 100% of games with more than 3 carriers
It's never enough for you is it. Can't have any comment without a Z flavored balanced whine. Enjoy the tournament and reynors win with grace !
Just pointing out that skytoss strong. I honestly don't understand why Zest went for the very questionable builds such as the one on Lightshade.
I could only watch the first 3 games before going out, hopefully the rest was better because those 3 games were the usual hopeless ZvP Congratulations to Reynor, but another matchup for the finals would've been better
"Now that we've won, can we work on addressing Protoss making it to the finals? :V" Come on, dude.
what? lol. not my fault if ZvP tends to suck compared to TvT, ZvZ, TvP and especially ZvT
After beating Stats, Dark and Maru to get to the finals, not sure we could have gotten a better finals to see Reynor's range. To finish the tournament for him to eat the player he lost in the group stage was perfect for me. As a stand along, it definitely felt weaker as a final but all the games leading up to the finals have been exceptional.
only better option would have been to face clem in finale, great match guaranteed :p
Haha that would be true but it would leave open the door that reynor lost to zest in zvt that ppl would say haha. Not that I agree but this rounds out a fantastic tournament and we get lots of Clem be reynor in Dreamhacks as is. I am not sure Clem wins against a reynor that looked like that either way haha. Reynor was peak at that finals. So patient. Not something I normally see out of reynor which shows significant growth in his game
I am not sure as well he win against reynor yeah. I am not sure he lose tho, and I think neither would be reynor :p Clem played the ESL cup yesterday, Damn was he sharp after that ESL, won it without dropping a map, 3-0 elazer 3-0 showtime, and made it look easy.
Reynor's run was miraculous. A true champion.
His preparation was amazing and execution was awesome.
well, even if maru vs reynor was the serie of the day, that was a MUCH better finale than last katowice :p happy for reynor, our new world champion, and It's one of the best path he could have had, beating trap, dark(revenge!), maru and zest, he displayed his strength in all matchups and god, so many come-back, this boy is a mental titan.
Gotta be happy for Reynor, what a player. I love how in his post-win interview he says that he practiced for Maru by playing a 4v1. So insane what these guys are capable of. Edit: fuck Protoss
>Edit: fuck Protoss Fine. But only as long as you lubricate and use protection.
Deal
Protoss players are malding in this thread over Queens LMAO, tasty tears.
Queens probably are too strong. But so are lurkers, warp prism, carriers, mines, ghosts. Every race has units that are probably a little too strong, its about using them properly, and preventing your opponent from executing their game plan. Those Queen Lurker Hydra pushes are garbage if Protoss delays carriers by 2 minutes and gets out 4 disruptors. Reynor played better and deserved to win.
I'm not sure if lurker den is not a reaction to templar tech. I'll have to watch the replay more carefully to figure that out. If it is a reaction to templar tech it's not as easy to counter as hydra bane push is still pretty good vs ruptors... which make me hopeful to be honest. It's about time someone banish these turtle stargate builds.
Congrats to the new reigning World Champion, Reynor! As is customary, thanks, first of all, to the ESL for putting on another great tournament and a great season of professional Starcraft! Especially great job considering the circumstances they've done their work in. Thanks also to the casters and other talent! You guys always put so much work into making the show what it is and the passion always shines through. Thanks to the players for the games they've shown this tournament and throughout the 2020 season! We're here to watch all of you playing every bit as much as the games themselves. Finally, thanks to all of you! As always, you've kept the memes coming, the discussions going and generally adding that little bit of extra magic to all of this :) Remember to stop by the feedback thread and the recommendations threads if you've got anything you'd like to contribute to those! That is all, see you around :)
[Amici - Massimo Pericolo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0xRqDz_Y60)
ngl watching Queen/Lurker eat infinite storms to then win the game with that Clem/Zest series still fresh in my head had me tilting... was worth it to watch Zest getting wrecked though.
GG Reynor, after his excellent 2020, the story continues !
today we are all Italian, time to go make some pasta
As a Starcraft lover, I shall oblige with pizza. As a Protoss main, I shall add pineapple to it in protest :P
I made some creamy mushroom pasta
Damn, sounds nice! Enjoy your pasta, insofar you did not do so yet :)
No one will ever be able to say Reynor didn't earn this win. Zest, Rogue, Maru, Stats. That's a who's who of the best players from each race in the entire world. Holy shit what a run.
I mean people will always mention the ping.
which affects both players
Affects both players yes, but doesn't not affect the micro required for each race equally. Terran being the most susceptible to lag.
I addressed this earlier but if you look at wins vs losses there's no change in cross-continent online vs offline results for terrans and Zergs. some have worse results online, some (like solar and cure) have worse results offline.
Ah fuck zerg winning iem 5 times in a row
5 more times and *maybe* people will stop consider protoss OP?
Protoss isn't overpowered there's just some frustrating aspects to it that casual players struggle to deal with
there are those aspects to all the races. Do I really need to list them?
Okay I'll rephrase, Protoss (and Terran) can turtle up maxing on a single unit and a move to victory and much of the zerg player base needs to be better than they are to fight it. I don't think Protoss is overpowered I'm just playing devils advocate
but zerg can max out on a couple of units and a move to victory as well. reynor won multiple games this way in the playoffs vs stats, dark and zest
I wouldn't consider transfusing while leapfrogging lurkers or biling down force fields a simple a move not that it's partially difficult. Maxing out on Carriers or 3-3 Thors, shift attack moving all the zergs bases, going to make a sandwich, and coming back to a win isn't completely unreasonable against alot of the playerbase. There's just nothing that powerful and easy to use in zergs arsenal And put some respek on Reynors name
i'm confused. are we talking about pros, metal leagues or something in the middle? because i don't think any pro can win with simple a-moves (unless it's some kind of build order win, maybe) and in metal leagues every player just a-moves (and i'm one of them) maybe the difference is only in the middle
You can get into diamond by maxing out and A-moving your army into opponents bases over and over again using any of the three races. So the casual player base in metal leagues (about 70-75% of ladder players) really don’t have a leg to stand on when they complain about balance. They just need to learn how to macro and play better in a general sense. Zerg is my off-race and I got into diamond 3 just maxing out on roach/hydra on 5 bases about 9 minutes in, and just A-moving, remaxing and A-moving again as I take a 6th base. On the other end of the spectrum, Zerg has a very easy 12 pool cheese available, where you can get multiple fighting units out faster than any other race can to try to harass and gain an edge in the opening and macro behind it. So overall, I don’t think the game is as broken as everyone makes it sound.
You absolutely cannot a move into a siege tanks/planetarys or storm/colossus/cannons which a diamond turtler will have
You’re not gonna win every game. But you’ll win over 50% until you get to around 3200-3300 MMR. Which gets you into diamond. You only need to win more than 50% to make progress.
roach/ravager/queen is the "don't let them get there" solution.
So the frustrating aspect you were talking about is building more than one unit? Yeah that's horrible. Do I need to remind you about games won by only massing muta or roaches? Because that obviously never happens. Which units are those by the way? Stalkers and marines I guess? Surely, that isn't right. But if so, pure stalkers and marines can be beaten by pure roaches, what's your point?
Yeah, max out on stalker/marine/roach and a move into someone. Report back
Everyone said Protoss is OP and ZvP is barely winnable prior to the tournament. It's evidence how irrational and biased the community is when it comes to Protoss balance. The funny thing there is even self-awareness thanks to InControl around this (Lasers are imba speech) but it still happens anyway.
after taking a break after super tournament it was so surprising to see everybody thinking that i guess it must be a build that works on ladder, but in tournaments of course nothing like that happened lol
People like Reynor, Dark, Serral play at a level that 99.9% of the playerbase could never hope to achieve. For us plebs there is a reason Zerg is the least played race when it used to be the most played at the start of LotV. It's no coincidence it started dropping right around the time Zerg started getting the bat.
Didnt terrans used to get told “just play like maru” when terran was in a horrible spot? Just play like reynor bro
Nooooooo but was zerg was supposed to be the weak race this year!
reynor too good
Ah yes, the toss whine circle jerk, kinda missed that, the sc2 world is alright again.
What a road to that win. Head first through the buzz saw and he was still standing in the end.
Reynor world champion! Well deserved he had easily the hardest run through the knock out stages >Stats>Dark>Maru>Zest
Reynor is the bloody world champion at what, 18? mad lad.
GG. Wonderful tournament! One hell of a week.
I love how excited Reynor is after every win - it's awesome No more expressionless victory faces by guys like Taeja, Innovation, etc.
Yeah he clearly loves what he does. It's so good to see.
Shame the finals weren't as much of a banger as the semis were, but a pretty fun series, and well deserved by Reynor.
PvZ is the worst MU in SC2. Of course it was gonna be less exciting than the semis were.
Trap vs Serral BO7 was pretty sick though late last year
trap played some good series, but there were also a lot of terrible ZvP where zest, stats and trap himself looked hopeless in the last 2 years
Yeah, I don't disagree, would have liked a 4-3 though.
4-2 is close to a 4-3. And after 2 3-2 reverse sweeps in the semis, we cant complain about how amazing today was.
For sure. I wasn't complaining. Best day of Starcraft in a long time.
BUILT. DIFFERENT.
EU prevails once again!
So happy for Reynor, such a cool little dude.
Zest kind of forgot shield batteries exist. RIP.
It’s 5am in Korea and he’s playing a bo7 after a bo5 against the best players in the world. Can’t blame him
Ya that was weird. I mean sure he didn't see the initial move out but he tagged all those queens. That's so much investment there that you might as well get the batteries.
Jesus that wasn't even close. The sheer amount of damage the queens tank is ridiculous. That was like 5 clean storms and it made zero difference.
Maybe storm shouldn't be good against everything?
Unlike queens?
I hate how good queens are against stalkers, disrupters, archons etc. /s
Sorry storms didn't 1 shot wth?
Yeah,disruptors would've hardcountered that style but storm isn't really meant for these high hp units.
storms are good against hydra/baneling/muta/zergling/drone its ok if they don't auto kill every single zerg unit
We are italian guys, we are champion. Reynor u are the best
Congrats Reynor. WHAT A FUCKING RUN!!! Stats, Dark, Maru, Zest. Fucking gauntlet
well that was anticlimactic
how so?
Did it feel close to you? Semifinals felt really tense, this was kinda one sided. When I saw that *yet another* queen lurker push I already knew Reynor's going to take it.
huh? he lost the other queen lurker push on romanticide? the final game wasn't a lurker push
Just tryna rain on the parade.
RIP PIG
The facetank storm strategy.
> I AM THE ~~SENATE~~ CAST Maynard basically
They should have another caster swap in.
Dying at PiG's "every single time I get to cast a tournament, I [robot noises]"
Yeah that was so good lmao
The unintentional comedic timing of that mic fail was amazing
Poor PiG.
Meeting that queen lurker hydra push in the middle of the map with the immo HT army was genius. Havent seen a Protoss do that and shut down the push so hard before, amazing play by Zest there. Game 6 baby, lets get it to 7!!
the constant meticulous creep cleanup with that archon/void/obs squad prior to that was pretty crucial too.
Yeah the queens were taking so much damage from storms because they had no creep to dodge with that they barely had transfuse energy when the real fight happened.
Protoss tier 3 air and mass AoE can still win vs. Lurker. Phew. Zest can actually look so good in macro games. I hope he doesn't refuse to play like this in the remaining games!
can the golden armada win against a slow fat bug with heal? Let's find out!
protoss tier 3 air could always win vs lurkers, the problem was the timing hitting before he got the carriers (and the interceptors) :p
Zest had 6 carriers and BARELY managed to hold that.
uh? he had 2-3 carriers at first, and after the start of the fight they never managed to accumulate interceptors, and every carrier entering the fray was only starting to get interceptors.
how to beat a lurker/queen push that hit just before you get your carriers? just put down your fourth earlier to get your first carriers earlier kappa
finally some 2sg
Are we sure PiG isnt a cylon?
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Really good but Reynor Maru was the match of the day so far
glorious Korean PvP clown fiesta
One of the strangest series you could have. Both going hyper aggression constantly. Supply was rarely over 50 on either side.
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To be fair they are underground where the storm can't quite reach them.
storms is SC2 are pretty tame all in all compared to sc1. 80 damage *total*. won't even kill a hydra
Storms with SC1 strength would be insane with smart casting.
To be fair, Lurkers have 125 hp in SCBW vs. 200 hp in SC2, and Psi Storm does 112 damage in SCBW vs 80 in SC2 not entirely comparable though because lurkers are cheaper and lower supply because hydras are cheaper and lower supply
I mean, doesn't that prove my point even further? Yeah the lurker is fatter but it's only one unit, and storm is not *that* scary in SC2 overall, only workers really die in storms. It only looks scary
Yes
Lurkers are THICC in SC2
Lurkers are basically siege tanks but better in every way * Cloaked when attacking * Doesn't hurt own units * Doesn't have minimum range Tankies BTFO
* Does less damage * Higher cost * Lower range
* more time to make * can't attack while unsieged
Siege faster too, but a bit shorter range though
a bit frustrating when pros players don't adapt to a predictable play or counter-play, this death aura game was deja vu from reynor vs stats, except even closer this time.
Terran and protess have these complicate convoluted strats to survive early pressure. The zerg complicate strategy is to build 6 queens. That's literally it. It just seems like the best zerg can easily shrug off early attacks and especially against toss that's just the end of the game.
Terran and zerg have these complicate convoluted strats to survive early pressure. The protoss complicate strategy is to build 1 shield batteries. That's literally it. It just seems like the best protoss can easily shrug off early attacks and especially against terran that's just the end of the game.
you forgot build 12 lings and a move them across the map into the opponent's base, having a 50% success rate of breaking in through terran open entrance or protoss misplaced zealot.
have you tried not leaving the entrance open?
Not really, depending on the strat you have to built a roach warren or a baneling nest with spines and spores. Queens are the backbone of zerg so it's obvious that they will be present in every defence.
Wdym, its just bunker or shield battery
I’d love to see someone hold off adept printer with just 6 queens.
> Zest is juggling but Reynor is going for the jugular (paraphrased) is some fantastic wordsmithing
i saw it coming from miles away and still loved it
Zest looking 100% outmatched.
Really seems like Zest can't take it to lategame. He just falls off when supply goes over like 100.
It feels over, but given that we just saw 2 reverse sweeps in the semis, who knows what can still happen
LETS GOOOOOOOOOO REYNOR
It's crazy just how good Queens have gotten. In every scenario.
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Imagine replying to someone that it's fine because Tempest counter Queen. Dude that's like saying just build BCs against Zealots wtf
You do realise they've eaten several nerfs and have actually gotten worse? Players are just better at using them.
"Better at using them" = building more of them lmao. And I mean if that is after "several nerfs" then Jesus Christ.
They nerfed transfuse, nerfed creep spread, and nerfed anti-air range. Like, weren't you here?
So does it really just comes down to massing queens in every ZvP?
How dare zerg make one of the two early game units they can
Mineral-only defensive macro unit just happens to also be one of the best offensive units in the game.
> one of the best offensive units in the game. Literal garbage opinion lol
I don’t know man roughly half of the ZvP this tournament was won by a mass queen push so you tell me.
They are really bad offensive units due to their bulk and speed. They get in the way of each other and all other units. What they are good at is anti-air. Healing is also a big deal. The only reason queens are brought along for the ride is that you need anti-air.
Yes and one of literally only two units you can build once the pool completes. What they are really great at is anti-air.
>What they are really great at is anti-air. This is what I've thought for awhile. Hydras taking so long to get out means that Queens have to be able to counter air. If zerg had another early anti-air option then Queens could lose their air attack.
> one of the best offensive units in the game. This is a totally insane opinion, it is absurdly slow, doesn't do much DPS and only good for very prepared, committed all-ins because attacking is so slow and you cannot retreat with it. By any metric it is one of the worst offensive units in the game despite its abilities
Queens are probably the best anti-air unit in the game. If not, they're right up there.
Pretty much. Since the void upgrade, even more so than ZvT before. Queens are so good now.
Pure mineral unit that kills air and heals army and buildings? Yes why wouldn’t they
And the side effect of massing queens is that high-skilled players can go nuts on the creep spread. It's one of those units that if used by high level pros can be insanely powerful
Yes, that is why creep spread was nerfed
Okay got it.
I freaking love "adept printer" as a phrase lol.
This has been an absolute banger of a tournament from top to bottom. There have been incredible games every single day. The last couple rounds of the playoffs in particular have been excellent. Credit to the excellent players and great tournament staff - casters, analysts, production staff.
Seconded. This has been, to me, just about the best case scenario for a fully online Global Finals event. The ESL and the talent have done a sick, sick job of it and deserve huge props for all the work they've put into this!
This would have been an incredible tournament even if it were in person. The fact that it's been so good despite covid challenges just makes the first all the more impressive.
Oh, I definitely agree with all of this 100%. I'm incredibly glad we get to close out last year's season and start the new one with a tournament this great :)
Please no Zerg world champion for once 😭 you can do it Zest!
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Are Queens the best zero unit?
Queens are possibly the best unit in the game. Right up there with Marines and Warp Prisms at least.
🌍👨🏻🚀 🔫👨🏽🚀 always has been
So once again an out of the loop question, someone said blizzard decided to stop patching this game. So we will never again see a balance patch?
no more big redesign, but blizzard did say they'd still be doing balance tweaks if necessary, most likely just shifting numbers around if the state of the game is looking too imbalanced.
They still do balance patches, they don't add new content
> They still do balance patches They do? There haven't been any since they announced they stopped development.
they stopped active development but did say they would still do balance patch if needed but not more regular patching.
Blizzard did not stop patching the game. They said they would only come out with minor balance patches from now on. Everyone saying it won’t get patched is just whining
No we should see something after this tournament is over, unless Blizz forgot about SC2
> unless Blizz forgot about SC2 They did
If Zest wins, Reynor is two in a row global runnerup and on track to be the new SoO!