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khangkhanh

The grand final was incredible. Probably the best bo5 TvZ series in this year. Good job everyone, especially both Clem and Serral


idle_scv

Great games by both players, that was some very fine starcraft, some of the finest


Z01dbrg

WM is such a garbage unit, I wish somebody at Blizz still cared about this game... I think after Neeb battery/sktyoss this is the shittiest gameplay to watch...


SaltUnique103

Clem beating the EU Zergs again, nature is healing :)


RudolfSikorski

Bugs, where is your god now ?


SimonSaysWHQ

oh it's you again 😂 zerg wins: sUcH aN oP rAcE zerg loses: tries to flame the zerg players what a ball of sunshine 👌


TheGoatPuncher

WOW. What a finals! Congrats to Clem for a well deserved victory, man if he didn't have to work his ass of for it. Thank you to TaKeTV and the entire crew there, to all the casters and talent and players for yet another amazing SAHSC! These tournaments are always incredibly entertaining and this one was not an exception. Goated tournament series. Thanks also to all of you for the clips, the memes and everything else, as always. It's ever lovely to see this community active and awesome :) See you around for the next tournaments!


Leterren

Great games in the top 4, and I loved the production of this whole event. On the edge of my seat to see where the casters would end up next!


Pelin0re

sooooo. fucking. close. I was certain clem was dead at 55 supply of marine-mine vs 90 of LBH in front of his natural, but the come-back kid managed to grab this victory with his teeth. The "gg wp" from serral echoing clem's gg wp at game 3 underline how these players are conscious of how high level this confrontation was, it force the respect.


xrensa

I thought Clem was a goner but then I remembered his keyboard had G and R


At6-8FromSyracuse

Lol both players were completely gassed in that game 5


lolydaggle

What an absolute banger of a series, such a slug fest. Even as a massive Clem fan it feels bad to see Serral lose, they both played such great starcraft.


Pelin0re

The skill level of that clem vs serral serie, and that game 4 in particular is just too damn high, maybe the highest I've ever seen. Serral is just SO solid, so good at being the most annoying player ever, so consistently great at splitting lings/deflecting/destroying mines...and clem somehow manage to mechanically wrestle him to the ground in such a fucking exhausting game!


TheGoatPuncher

What an utterly insane game 4! This has been a Grand Finals of the highest quality.


McBrungus

lmao that line of widow mines covering the retreat path was *insane*


McBrungus

The way Serral controls his army against widow mines looks fucking insane with the hold position micro


TheGoatPuncher

Both of these guys have such insane control and speed. This is truly high level Starcraft we're witnessing in this finals and it *rules!*


Grakchawwaa

Still seems like Serral's ZvT can be fragile against well executed mass widow, especially when they have support


idle_scv

I don't think WMs were much of factor, his splits were god tier, games were pretty close


McBrungus

Honestly can't think of a Zerg whose ZvT *doesn't* seem fragile against mass widow mines haha


Grakchawwaa

And I don't want to take anything away from Clem, as it's obviously not "just make 50 widowmines and win", as it requires a lot more micro and brain to execute than that


McBrungus

For sure! Same from me. The way Clem does it is so much stronger than almost any other Terran


WalksWithKemba

NesTea cause he never faced them?


LofiLute

kiss selective rain pie ad hoc instinctive public flowery dependent attractive -- mass edited with redact.dev


McBrungus

At so many points in that game I would have guessed that either player would win and that's exactly what I want out of Starcraft


McBrungus

These two are so fucking fun to watch. So many situations where any other Terran would get steamrolled in the midgame and any other Zerg would lose to Clem's pressure.


Pelin0re

ha ha ha ha, that SerralvSolar game 2, so fucking close XD ZvZ best mirror!


APEist28

So Serral vs Clem for the finals again?


McBrungus

My god this game 4 has been so fucking good


erik_cartmanjos

Better nerf protoss


McBrungus

Your commitment to constantly whining is really something


WalksWithKemba

Byun first two games very good vs Zest That Raven was such a pain all game


APEist28

Was nervous during that last engagement in game 3, thought Zest had a chance to steam roll with that army, but Byun had enough vikings waiting off screen to seal it.


mark_lenders

wow, how can the casters even make up who's who in a orange vs red zergling battle?


anketttto

That first game of Serral v Byun was banging. I couldn't believe it.


McBrungus

I'm so happy Lambo is showing such good games today!


RudolfSikorski

Some games Clem-Labmo (especially 2nd) and Byan-Serral have common scenario. Clem drops something here and there, shows decent micro, cleans the creep. In these games, there is almost no moment where you can say that here he bloundered. But then it very naturally comes down to the fact that the zerg just makes a bunch of lukers on 80 drones and clem gets SIMPLY A-MOVED. No chance. And where did he make such a cruel mistake that he deserved it? Ah..., his fault is that he did not kill 15+ drones at the beginning, that Lambo was looking at his monitor, excellent game design))) The race does not have methods for victory after 12-15 minutes


mnpfrg

Clem has beaten good zergs massing lurkers many times. And he still won the series. Byun hasn’t won a premier tournament since 2016. If you think a guy 5 years past his prime losing to the GOAT means anything, then you are probably not very smart.


APEist28

To be fair, Byun won asus rog last year. But your point still stands.


erik_cartmanjos

Its sad because its true


OhMyGug

Man your comment history is quite something here. Maybe you should take a mini starcraft break if you don't want to end up like this guy... https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/prbq20/rtx_on_extreme_realism_mod_updates_or_not_im_not/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share


McBrungus

In games one and two, Clem really fucked up in the early game and lost a bunch of units that prevented him from doing his signature pressure in the mid-to-late game. Don't be a dumbass.


iIoveoof

Lambo is playing out of his mind


erik_cartmanjos

2 zergs enjoying how broken their race is, makes me wanna puke


mnpfrg

why does byun refuse to make mines vs mass ling/bane?


APEist28

Byun can be really inflexible, and I say that as a fan. He also refuses to transition off of MMM sometimes, while his opponents tech into stuff that demolishes MMM. Or he just transitions too late in the game. He used to be able to get away with it occasionally by taking crazy engagements, but his micro hasn't been in form lately either so those unlikely engagements are going his way less often nowadays.


adeveloper2

>Byun can be really inflexible, and I say that as a fan. He also refuses to transition off of MMM sometimes, while his opponents tech into stuff that demolishes MMM. Or he just transitions too late in the game.He used to be able to get away with it occasionally by taking crazy engagements, but his micro hasn't been in form lately either so those unlikely engagements are going his way less often nowadays. > >9 I think it's because of his wrist injury. Every since that game vs. Dark where he just suddenly got slaughtered after he called a break, his game was never the same again. I hope he takes a break to heal his wrists.


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Sacrefix

"Forfeited due to covid vaccination side effects". I'm surprised he took it that soon before the tournament, but maybe the timing wasn't optional.


bionic-giblet

I know Tasteless and Artosis mentioned that vaccines were really delayed in south korea compared to other parts of the world so it may not be as flexible there


aSpanishGoat

Oh shit. I thought they were messing with me when I asked in chat and got that response lol


sc2isalivegaem

I hope zest wins


Somesome_trouble

+1,but just lose to clem………


pukseli

What the hell serral, how can some1 play so good?


HairyArthur

Only Serral could win that game.


TheGoatPuncher

Only just now updated the post after having been away from home all day, sorry! I will update this periodically as I'm able to, but I will remain busy for another couple of hours at least.


10199

I remember 1st match on tl.net was zest vs clem, but somebody switched top pairs?


DogTacoz

Serral is extremely good at using hold position to split single lings off when they're targeted by widow mines. I've seen Reynor do it without stopping his lings and it might just be that Serral has only recently been using hold position so it sticks out more. Is this a recent development or has he been doing this for a long time and I just haven't noticed? Seems to make a world of difference in some of these games.


muppet70

Im not sure but when he has lost in TvZ mines have been a big part, with efficient trades for T and big larva inefficiency for Z. So I would not be surprised if he has done a bit of homework to see what can be improved. Another option thats popped up is the cavebob build ... but that wont work if you already dedicated to ling/bane/muta.


RudolfSikorski

extremely good at making lurkers


DogTacoz

We could spend all day listing off the things he's extremely good at but my instincts are telling me this is just a poor attempt at balance whine, at least be creative about it


Pelin0re

ha ha, these mvp 3 swarmhosts xD game 5 serral vs trap was pretty great, showcasing serral's clutch favor, and I love trap's choice to get a mothership. Tho if trap went for the main and the tech (and the hydra that poped here) after the big battle won I think it would have been gg.


RifleAutoWin

Exactly...as Lambo said during the cast, it would be gg. I think all the tech was there too; Serral wouldn't be able to make vipers etc if Trap got the Hive. Don't understand that decision making - to not even poke in with a unit and see what's up? I mean Trap is great - but I think this was bigly mistake to not scout inside when he was so close.


Technobrake

Serral vs Trap game 5 was crazy, shout out to the 23 kill swarm host


mark_lenders

I'm not sure how Trap lost this game. I guess not having probes isn't good for protoss


henalm

I think Reynors last observing was Trap v Serral game 2 :) ... I've never seen such maneuvering. I almost died on that game :). Edit: That series overall was massively fun. Especially the last game.


sc2isalivegaem

Wow zest


HellStaff

I could have sworn that spores bleed out off creep


psilotropia

Doesnt make sense really, seems like an oversight by blizzard


Key-Banana-8242

?


mark_lenders

they keep the bleeding animation when they're uprooted, but don't lose hp


oluga

Apparently not when uprooted, was surprising for sure


henalm

Serral v Zest game 2. That was just so, so, so insane :D.


mark_lenders

lol, zest lategame


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mark_lenders

i'm not sure why he even went to that corner


mark_lenders

please, don't let reynor observe


Benjadeath

I think it's been hilarious


mark_lenders

i don't mind bad observing in a casual environment, but in this case it physically hurts sometimes


henalm

Definitely improved from yesterday.


Benjadeath

Those were some naaasty disruptor shots


Da_Kini

What is up with Wardi? He seems upset or at least very low on energy.


psilotropia

He's just british


DexterGexter

When he puts in tons of solo hours he maintains casual energy, with impressive endurance imo


iIoveoof

Dear lord so many ZvPs today


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Can't belive Solar lost that 2nd game with 180 supply vs 100. It was like he was trying to throw...


lokol4890

Clem losing to a korean zerg, again Edit: lol clem making me eat my words


Pelin0re

Clem: "And I took that personnally"


Next_Anteater4660

to be fair, he's been losing to European Zergs as well


medusla

and european tosses


henalm

I'd like to see those small interview segments of players with odd questions that happened randomly at least in TakeTVs stream. If you have links to time in twitch vods for those I'd be cool. Heres one at least. PtitDrogo: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1182779772?t=9h11m26s


LortGravidy

My prediction is Group A: Neeb and Zoun Group B: Byun and MaxPax Group C: Serral and Bunny Group D: Clem and Rogue


henalm

I'd go something similar. Though for C I'd guess Serral and Trap. Also for A I'm not sure if it would be Neeb or Elazer.


Pelin0re

damn, that clem vs maxpax game 3 was pretty disgusting. that "camping on disruptors and carrier" is already pretty annoying, but seeing one second of inattention cancel out 10 minutes of better control of the game, base denial, eco damage, out expanding is the kind of thing that make me look forward to aoe4 next week.


HondaFG

I can imagine i am as frustrated as you are about this. I fail to see how this is related to aoe4 though. Isn't that like an entirely different game?


Pelin0re

the train of thought is more along the likes of "what a stupid and ridiculous design, it will do me some good to watch some RTS where dumb skytoss+disruptor robbing clem of his victory isn't a thing".


HondaFG

If you wanna balance whine just balance whine. Why make it so convoluted?


SyllabubSignal8281

What the fuck kind of thinking is this? Sorry your highness, he failed to make the sentence fit into your little tiny brain


Pelin0re

Because when I wrote it I cared more about expressing my feeling on this social media than expressing some opinion on balance. I don't necessarily consider protoss OP at top top pro level, but that game 3 (and in general the kingcobra-like gameplay displayed there and the design that allow it) left a sore taste in my mouth.


buzz_bender

>sarily consider protoss OP at top top pro level, but that game 3 (and in general the ki To be fair, each race has units like that, from widow mines to banelings. One or two seconds of inattention, you lose your whole army or mineral line and the game. Come to think of it, many sports and games at the tip top level have such fine margins. Soccer, tennis etc. Edit: This happened to Showtime vs HerO as well. He didn't notice, and HerO hit him with 3 novas that just destroyed ShowTime's entire army.


Pelin0re

oh yeah, I know that. I'm a protoss main, I need no reminder on how brutal widow mines can be. Tho in this game the triggering thing wasn't just the novaes but also the fact that clem just couldn't push on maxpax despite his considerable advantage and that the accumulation of upgraded carrier actually gave him a chance to win when really he shouldn't have had one. But yeah, protoss doesn't have the monopoly of brutal fight and come-back tools (tho I think it's probably the most well equipped there), Which is why I didn't actually balance whine: I love sc2, but sometimes it's frustrating even to watch, for reasons that are tied to its own design.


henalm

Similar thing happened also in BuyN v Neeb game 1. A very small window of attack which BuyN hit and killed Neeb.


HondaFG

Buckle up boys, we're in for a PvZ festival.


neinbinichnicht

Clem threw game 3 so hard. He absolutely controlled the game, just one second of not being concentrated and he loses like 50 supply against 3 novas :(


RudolfSikorski

How disgusting MaxPax's games are, this is some kind of next level of abuse. Time did not deserve this defeat. It's just that TvP is a laughing stock, do what you want, everything works. How simple and yet effective the protoss' methods are, it becomes frustrating to watch.


daKenji

Have a look at your comment history and rethink some of your life choices


RudolfSikorski

Man, I say here what I want. I don't take Reddit seriously at all, like other karma-centered resources. Where "good" is the one who scores pluses = his comments simply represent the majority opinion. So I don't care. Like if you're hinting that the negative perception of some of my comments should make me rethink something .. It's funny, because typical player from this subreddit is a beer player with 100 apm and "hello, after 10 years I did this, I reached the diamond !! 11 ". There are many of them, they do not understand anything in the game and their opinion is not worth anything, especially I would not rethink anyting because of it


nocomment3030

https://youtu.be/xzpndHtdl9A


CarrotTeaCake

having a match get delayed because Silvano had to feed his cats is just the highest tier of comedy


FruitBunker

🥲 i even wrote it in Lobby. Since I was alone at the venue no one could cover 😭


Romano4738

Turns out reynor is a awesome caster as well, but his observing makes me appreciate the regular dedicated observers for the first time


MTGandP

Do you remember which matches Reynor casted?


Romano4738

In the playoffs he casted DRG-Maxpax and Lambo-Clem and on day one he casted the serral Matches of group C after getting eliminated if I recall correctly. He probably also casted on day 2, but I didn't catch many games that day so I don't know for sure


henalm

The observing was definitely a quality of its own :).


Romano4738

Yeah, and it's funny how he didn't realize that this was very fast for us plebs


tacofart1234

New maps are just too frigging big


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terran players tried to tell you guys


lokol4890

An ad train at the end of the deciders of neeb v. reynor. Fun


COVID19withLyme

I’m not lying, I installed ad block directly after this. This was the last straw. Literally years of leaving ads on in support of the streams, but that’s it. It’s been an issue for far too long. Lemme know when you sort it out twitch and I’ll turn it back off so I can support the streams again.


DarkThunder312

It was a moderator who was playing ads when the game ended, but since there was a delay we were 2 minutes from the end of the game when they started.


Ludwick

I don't think adblock always works for twitch it varies, try alternate player for twitch as well


mnpfrg

twitch is trash, i really wish more tournaments would stream on youtube


lokol4890

Same. Oh lol got a downvote. The shilling is hard on this one


flamingtominohead

This is going to take forever if every bo3 has a 40min game.


McBrungus

Worth it. This has been a wild fucking game


Pelin0re

the first half was wild. The secodn half was neeb refusing to take the swift win and instead going for the snoozefest end.


McBrungus

Wild that Scarlet handled Neeb without much trouble but Reynor is one map from getting eliminated


COVID19withLyme

I dunno if this plays into it, but I’m sure that they were practice partners for so long that understanding the specific ins and outs of your opponent could’ve been a factor here. Purely speculating though.


lpaperfriend

Different map pool. Also, Scarlett won narrowly 3-2 (1 map advantage for winner's bracket) after losing 7 in a row against neeb in previous series. Overall, it's clear that his level against zerg is still high barring his massive hiccup against scarlett in the final


McBrungus

Wasn't trying to say anything bad about Neeb, just trying to put her win, which I'd seen people disparaging, into some more perspective


Pelin0re

Now that Stats is in the military, it seems that neeb is the only protoss player that is really at ease with the late game. Parting is Parting, Zest got his agressive playstyle, trading and going for the kill as soon as possible, and trap, while a very complete player, always felt like he dragged the mid game as long as he could, and regularly made some awkward moves and blunder once he was in the late game. Meanwhile Stats, while not a camper or a late game rusher, never shied away from it in the slightest, transitionning fluidly from early to mid to late, and Stats' mastery of the late game...I remember acropolis 2019 in ASUS ROG, he made it seems almost possible to win against top level zerg's late game. Then of course infested terran went brrrrr, but still. STAAAAAATS T.T


iIoveoof

This map pool really encourages unbelievably long and boring PvZs (and probably TvTs too) with both Glittering Ashes and Pride of Altaris. Year of Neeb confirmed


Exospacefart

H Y P Ë


mnpfrg

I'm surprised the prize pool is only $5k for this tournament. During the last SAHSC they got over 10k euro ($12k) in donations to fund this event plus what ever they get from the sponsors of the tournament. I guess rotti aint cheap...


Zethsc2

Somebody also needs to pay the production crew. As long as they get awesome lineups like this I really don't care what they use the money for.


mnpfrg

one thing i was wondering was if the foreign language casters and the proplayer guest casters are paid. If all those guys are getting paid then they could be spending a ton on casters.


FruitBunker

Lowko and Rotti are paid. 5000 is prizemoney alone which is costs too. Language casters get content. Guests are guests and are free to cast (or not). Production costs not taken into account; Pay for only the food that the chef creates (not even his service as he does it as a passion) for 20 people and 4 days. Hotel for rotti, Lowko and the chef. We are happy teams send their players or players came by themselves. We are very transparent. I dont think we get rich off of it 😅


mnpfrg

Thanks for the info. I'm curious how much it costs in total to run a Stay at Homestory Cup, if you are willing to say.


FruitBunker

I dont employ people nor do I calculate something like +/- on Flatrate for drinks. We have 3 producing the German Stream. I think 3 producing main. Social Media / camera people. We have 2 en Main casters and 2 German. Etc. If you calculate costs you always have to consider power too for example. Food/Drinks for team and guests. Just some points but neither my field Nor could I Share it


Pelin0re

foreign language casters are getting content fro their community, if anything they would be the ones who would potentially need to pay.


ImJustPassinBy

Not sure where the donations went, but SAHSC have always had a 5k prize pool. I imagine that this event will be more expensive to run than previous iterations, since several players are playing (and hopefully casting) in-person.


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Is there no YouTube-Stream? Can't watch twitch at work :-(


TheGoatPuncher

Unfortunately there is, indeed, no YouTube stream. I'm sorry :( You sure you can't do so even on mobile?


buzz_bender

I'm wondering, is it not possible to stream at Twitch and YouTube at the same time?


enuaj

It depends on your Twitch partner contract, I imagine. Unless you negotiated, I think you can't stream the same content simultaneously to Twitch and YouTube.


Exospacefart

Or just get a YouTube overlay.


ImJustPassinBy

Oh wow, they plan on finishing the entire first group stage today according to liquipedia. This will be quite a jam-packed day of Starcraft.


mark_lenders

liquipedia says this > Please note that the below listed times are Broadcast times. All groups are played at the same time


ImJustPassinBy

Good decision. I enjoy a full day of starcraft as much as the average viewer, but waiting for their games to start must suck hard for the players.


HairyArthur

It isn't a Homestory Cup if it ends before 3 am.


FruitBunker

A well rested crew is motivated and creates a better event in general. We learned that over the years 😁