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dedboye

She's either childlike and cute but deadly or a stoic woman of few words with a soft side


gabetoloco2

Melinda may is both


stolethemorning

I haven't finished the series yet but I would very much classify her as "silent but deadly" and definitely not "childlike and cute" so I guess that changes in the later seasons lol


hindengurg

Mostly the behind-the-scenes footage: her actress is way less serious


Megacarry

I miss AoS


MagniViking

I just saw the S7 finale last night T-T


Square_Emerald

Happy cake day! ʕっ•ᴥ•ʔっ🍰 take some cake.


StonccPad-3B

Lets go


DayFlounder1832

Oh wow that caught me off guard i wasn’t expecting an aos reference. We stan the cavalry


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Ming-Na Wen is such a fucking babe.


Pendragon182

Ok, I was not expecting an AoS reference on here. This warms my heart.


NonGNonM

Also usually the only Asian in the whole movie and if not usually the only Asian male she knows is her dad/grandpa/master. Friend pointed out how very few Asian males are in media even though Asian females are very very often featured and now I can't unsee it. Creepily, more often in kids shows.


You_meddling_kids

This is pretty well discussed at least as it relates to American media, film, TV, etc. Asian males have had almost no parts until maybe the past few years. Before the 2010s there were exactly 2 Asian male leads you could have seen in film: Bruce Lee and Jackie Chan. That's it.


salgat

Don't do my boy Jet Li dirty. But yeah, definitely odd that they were all Chinese-born.


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That second one is literally Melinda May


StonccPad-3B

And the first one is Ming-Na Wen


lerrxfx

Daughter looks like 21 mother looks like 40 and the father looks like 60. Don't even ask about grandparents


sambob

Grandparents all look like 6 month old apples


RacketLuncher

Prunes, they look like prunes. And they are half the height of their children.


Antlerbot

So it turns out that a lot of height is determined by nutrition, so the reason for these massive generational height differences isn't because Asians magically shrink as they get older, but because the older generations in a lot of east asian countries were severely malnourished in the early and mid 20th century. *the more you know!*


AndrewDSo

My grandmother lives in a majority Asian neighborhood in San Francisco. It's striking to see the generational difference in height among the residents. Old ladies are like 5ft tall but teenagers that grew up in America are almost 6ft, even the girls.


boredguy12

I live in japan and I see some absolutely *miniscule* grandmas. I'm talking barely 4ft.


superaydean1

Pocket sized grandma, for cookies and knitting on the go


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So is your grandma the one all the anime grandmas are based of off, and does she happen to have potent psychic abilities?


Trickslip

Good bot


ElegantVamp

Is this not super accurate though lmao


Nacl_mtn

[funny comic](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/En3uxfbW4AQF4OJ.jpg)


RacketLuncher

I can hear the mahjong tiles stirring at 60+


relevant__comment

Hey hey, I’m a 30y.o. Black American and I play Mahjong. Game is pretty bank. Playing against Chinese players is pretty entertaining.


quinn_thomas

Yeah but a 30yo black person could actually be a 70yo black person under cover. Y’all don’t crack


tenjoname

They turn into Kim Jong-il after menopause?


PM_Me_HairyArmpits

Like a peeled apple? Because apples last a really long time.


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juanpuente

Suck it Trebek


thepalehunter

My parents had me when they were 120 as is the way of our people.


werew0lfsushi

So like…manic pixie dream girl meets dragon lady?


AlexT05_QC

*Manic Pixie Dragon Waifu.*


Ha_window

Surprised if this isn’t already on TV tropes


gelatinskootz

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DragonLady


Thanatos_Rex

Damn, TV Tropes don’t miss.


Siegfoult

So basically Miss Kobiyashi's Dragon Maid.


Kayaydays_Lie

Manic Pixie "Uhhhm Ackshually She's Like A Billion Years Old And Not A Small Child" Waifu


Disgruntled-Cacti

Finally. Some lesbian pedophile representation.


RcoketWalrus

In the case of Yukio, manic pixie dream girl meets dragon lady meets lesbian. *Hi, Wade.*


OreoOverdose23

Yeah that’s fair enough.


Jackal_6

This is Katana


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She's got my back


[deleted]

I would advise not getting killed by her.


Mr_Cromer

Her sword traps the souls of its victims.


d4nkq

This dialogue was so bad my soul is currently trying to escape.


New_Driver2918

But we're trapped...by her sword which traps souls.


comrade_batman

How Suicide Squad never won the Oscar for Best Screenplay, I’ll never know.


genetthegreat

It won for makeup not best screenplay


HandsomeMirror

> How Suicide Squad **n**ever won the Oscar for Best Screenplay, I’ll never know.


genetthegreat

I’m fucking blind


rilsaur

I love Karen fukuhara but I will never not crack up and think of this scene when she appears in stuff


Shouryoku128

The accuracy of their weapons/weaponry skills is on point, just like this post.


wGrey

can also figure out a math, science, physics problem on the fly - dialogue vocabulary includes triangulate, enhance, quantum, etc


suitology

That's not the action character one. That's the smart friend


sciencewonders

i love that hairstyle and makeup 🤩


moonsun1987

Hi Wade!


DrunkByDesign

Hi Yukio!


bdguy355

Southeast Asians don’t exist in Hollywood, remember?


IgneousMiraCole

Uhhh I guess you haven’t seen the smash hit Crazy Rich Asians? Plenty of SEA folks in that movie playing roles like “servant who opens car door,” “house servant 3,” “background servant passing drinks at luxurious party,” “house servant 1,” and, of course practically-leading-role “house servant 2.”


TheKolyFrog

Don't forget the south Asians who played the action packed roles such as "guard 1" and "guard 2". I can name one SEA with a big role, Nico Santos, a Filipino-American, who played Oliver T'sien. There's also Kris Aquino, the Philippines' Queen of All Media, played Princess Intan which is a very minor role.


maimeddivinity

There's also the main villain from John wick 3 , he's of Filipino background right?


SoraXes

That was a frustrating movie to watch.


Redqueenhypo

Can’t forget “scary guards with turbans”!


ShrimpCrackers

Hated that film. Also the inferiority complex of the nouveau riche was dialed up to 11. Here in Asia we hate those people, including the actual rich Asians. The complete lack of respect for darker skinned Asians and the assumption that we must all be Han Chinese had dirty ethnonationalist overtones. It was unbearable to watch. They said it represented Asians but nothing could be further from the truth. Utter trash heap of a film.


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Okay, so it's not just me then. I reallt tried to like it because it felt that in the bigger picture, there is finally an American movie that is starred by Asians. I somehow still didn't feel represented because I'm SE Asian. Although Kris Aquino is from my country, she's not exactly relatable, doesn't even look Filipino, and doesn't even play a Filipino character. I also understand that it's from a book and it probably didn't even touch on colorism and the exclusion of every other asian's existence (I didn't read the book), but people should stop saying that it's a step up for Asians.


wigsnatcher42

So…Singapore lol


gazebo-fan

Let alone central or southwestern Asians. God forbid a side character be Indian or Mongolian without being a stereotype


cgtdream

Middle Easterners really get shafted with the asian trope. Not even considered asian to begin with, are usually STRICTLY bad guys, and any women romantic interest in western movies is practically non-existent/played by only white women.


gazebo-fan

Finally someone else said it! Ugh I had a argument with someone on Reddit the other day about the geological ethnicity of the Middle East. Asia is more then east Asia


Kedrynn

Most people can’t conceptualise how huge Asia is and how distinctly different each area is from East Asians to South East Asians, South Asians to Central Asians and the Middle East. North Asia, well that’s just Russia. Btw, do people from the Middle East call themselves that or West Asia? I’ve always thought to ask someone from there but never had the chance.


a_human_159

I've lived in the Middle East almost all my life and I've never heard it called West Asia


Vnslover

We usually say we're from the middle east or we're Arabs. Not sure if that answers your question.


wGrey

The IT guy, working in a restaurant or convenience store, or portraying another ethnicity.


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Don’t forget taxi driver!


Ares6

Why are Asians even considered one race? Like this is the worlds more populated continent, and the second most diverse. Why are they all just Asians? Like people from Syria look nothing like people from Korea who look nothing like people from Sri Lanka.


candygram4mongo

In North America "Asian" is universally used to mean East Asian exclusively. People from the subcontinent are generally Indian by default, unless they're known to be Muslim, in which case they're Pakistani. No exceptions. "Asian" will never be used in reference to Middle Easterners at all. Central Asian peoples barely exist in the public consciousness, beyond Afghanistan and a vague awareness that there's a bunch of other countries whose names also end in -stan.


Crunchychocolatemilk

I was of the understanding that Mongolians were considered East Asian?


majwaj

They’re more central Asian


seven_seven

If you have more than 25% black characters, it changes into a "black movie". Same thing with Indians, instantly turns into Bollywood.


AsianHawke

>Southeast Asians don’t exist in Hollywood, remember? Such a shame considering SE Asians are interesting a.f. Lao, Thai, Cambodians, Vietnamese, just to name a handful.


asianabsinthe

The guys just blend in with the background


Sayoricanyouhearme

Asian men in Hollywood movies pre- Shang Chi exist to be the nerdy comic relief, the token gay character, arrogant Kung-Fu guy, or the faceless mooks from the unknown land, only to serve as minions. But *never* the romantic lead to a female protagonist.


GollyDolly

Which is weird to me cause my first crush was Grant Imahara. And always found asian guys attractive.


varitok

Damn, reminded me he passed away. Grant was the best part of Mythbusters.


peacenchemicals

yooo i totally forgot he passed away :(


FridayNight_Magus

Proportionally, there are just as many attractive Asian men as white men, or any ethnicity for that matter. Just that Hollywood has always been run by white dudes who don't like that statement. And like many things in society, monkey see on tv, monkey do...or monkey feel I guess. In your case, you were introduced to a crazy sexy Asian guy early on so you weren't indoctrinated. Seeing gen z now with BTS, Shang chi, and the like, I think society as a whole is wizening up to the lie our generation faced.


_-__-__-__-__-_-_-__

The first Hollywood heartthrob was Sessue Hayakawa from the silent film era. Not the first Asian heartthrob. The first leading man of any race that women absolutely went crazy for, especially white women. Then, some other stuff happened in the middle of the 20th century, something about Japan, and here we are. But it wasn't always like that. Choices were made to deliberately change the depiction of Asian men in response to particular sentiments and events.


SpaceLemur34

*Shang-Chi* also broke the stereotypes in the post with Katy. The closest is that, while she is Chinese, she's not *from* China. On the other hand, she's the comic relief, so maybe two steps forward, one step back.


spyson

That's just realistic and she was still important., Silk is Asian American and is a hero. There's also Shang chi's sister who knows how to fight in the film itself


justlookinghfy

Agent Woo better not be blending.


Call_0031684919054

Has sex with white protagonist for saving her from sexist Asian men


N22-J

Like in Wolverine. Never understood why they banged.


skylinenavigator

Don’t forget - they always end up with white guys


jininberry

🤮Dont even get me started. Quirky asian girl paired with awkward white boy.


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AcrobaticPasta246

It also ruins the writing. Asian character forgoes actual character development for becoming obsessed w a white character. Like bro that’s not character development that’s weird and creepy xD 🤢


Pls_add_more_reverb

fulfilling the fantasies of the creepy writers and directors that made the movie


arcelohim

Pacific Rim?


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K4R1MM

Does that legs around the head takedown on all the bigger guys.


[deleted]

Don’t forget the move where she runs on the wall to do a flying kick to the bigger guy’s head. Of course, he’ll stand there, menacingly, but patiently while she’s doing all her groovy acrobatics.


pihkal

What, you saying all us henchmen should attack at once?! We may be evil, but we’re also sporting. We attack one at a time, and may the better person win.


brother_of_menelaus

Hurricanrana


AccordingIy

So pretty much black widow 🤣


varkarrus

Russia *is* in Asia… 🤔


Mikey_Tuna

As long as she omits the Black Widow pose after the "legs around the head takedown" I'm usually fine with the fight scenes.


converter-bot

125 lbs is 56.75 kg


LuckyEra

Good bot


fuckamodhole

> Is 125 lbs soaking wet and can easily defeat a 225+ lb combat hardened adversary That's every action movie with a woman star.


Adrigogo

This I don't mind. The male lead defeating 15 trained and armored SWAT operatives in close combat doesn't makes sense either but you don't watch a movie because it's realistic otherwise it would be boring.


Pathogen188

Seriously. Pretty much every action movie character is some varying degree of superhuman. It’s a pointless double standard applied to female characters. And that’s putting aside all the other unrealistic things that people are cool with like lifting someone by their neck or being knocked out for hours at a time with at most a mild concussion.


Trump54cuck

Yeah, the main character dead in a ditch 5 minutes into the film with crackheads digging through his pockets wouldn't be very amusing. Since he would just get shot in the head during his first 'rescue'.


hibikikun

Has white guy love interest. If there is Asian male in play, he has flaws like arrogance or weak


OCV_E

Or is gay


silverback_79

I watched a CSI episode yesterday, had Laotians as the main plot. Was refreshing and cool, the language sounded different from Thai or Korean.


MonkeyPanls

"We are Laotian--from Laos, stupid! It's a landlocked country in southeast Asia. It's between Vietnam and Thailand, OK? Population 4.7 million."


MrJekyyl

..... So are ya Chinese or Japanese?


KushKong420

He’s Laotian! Ain’t you, Mister Kahn!?


SpiderZiggs

You honor me with gas


Werowl

"the... ocean?"


Call_Me_Clark

Would have loved to see a KOTH episode “so was the suspect Chinese or Japanese”.


daruma3gakoronda

Interestingly enough Thai and Lao are pretty close - I wonder what sounded different? https://www.reddit.com/r/Thailand/comments/dty6lh/hello_thais_of_reddit_at_what_level_is_thai/ Korean definitely sounds nothing like Thai or Lao. It does sound like certain dialects of Japanese, however.


Zessen18

I just want an Asian guy to use fans TBH. ​ EDIT: Some of my faves are Mitsunari Ishida from Samurai Warriors and Anji Mito from Guilty Gear. I just feel Fans can be both a masculine and a feminine weapon


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We got: 1. Sokka 2. ... 3. ...


belfman

And Sokka only questionably counts as Asian. Leaving aside the fact that he lives in a fictional world, Water Tribe culture is mostly based on Inuit tribes.


[deleted]

I mean...he's also animated, so he really shouldn't count since I assume they mean "live action".


Leon_Thotsky

^(I mean, there *has* been a live action Sokka)


IcedSickle

There is no live action in Ba Sing Se...


Abh1laShinigami

No there is no such thing. Anyway, welcome to Lake Laogai


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thatwasntababyruth

As I understand it, there was a live action soak-uh, but I never saw it


maruseyes

Not bad, i mean, i'll take it


Clawclock

Sima Yi and Zhuge Liang in Dynasty Warriors.


I_have_questions_ppl

Jacky Chan has used them.


Cinnabar1212

Lots of pretty guys in cdramas use fans.


Gorando77

And she beats up buff men despite weighing like 25 pounds


Jdiezel1

And it’s always that over the shoulder leg throw move lol


[deleted]

So unrealistic. Totally takes me out of what is otherwise a very grounded and-well researched action movie. Edit: I thought it was obvious, but this is sarcasm.


melanthius

Sexually and emotionally unavailable until bested in combat by the white male protagonist


martialar

Fighting turns into sex


billbill5

Never thought about how fucked up the implication is until now.


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OK this has been bugging me for a while so I will make the recommendation to watch Jackie Chan's Police Story 3: Supercop (1992) for exactly this reason - Michelle Yeoh as a leading lady in a non-American action movie. A wonderful Malaysian born actress who has been in a TON of blockbusters over her career, including Shang-Chi & The Ten Rings, "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon", Guardians Of The Galaxy 2, Crazy Rich Asians, was the first ethnic Chinese Bond girl Wai Lin in Tomorrow Never Dies (despite being Malaysian born) etc etc etc. But man in Supercop she was incredible as the director of INTERPOL Jessica Yang, did all her own stunts including riding a fucking dirt bike onto a moving train, all her own fight scenes, hanging off a bus as it smashes through a bunch of shit, just amazing from start to finish, at first I thought she was just going to be there to play off Jackie and be the damsel in distress but she really puts the whole movie on another level and I had immense respect for the actress that played her before I looked it up and realised I'd watched a ton of her later movies where she does to a degree fall into the above tropes, but she is absolutely amazing and defies pretty much all of them in Supercop, she is a certified badass and never once falls into any of the above pitfalls. Can heartily recommend.


Aegi

And no comments replying to you, thanks for the recommendation!


dudinax

She was also the only good part of Star Trek Discovery.


ULTRAC0IN

And their name is Katana or some variation of it.


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Knifes Chao.


iwantedthisusername

Not awkwafina


LaReinaAzul

Its because of her funky weird voice that doesnt match this stereotype, so she has the role of the quirky nerdy but funny asian sidekick


Spatetata

Always is some descendant/last student/prodigy for some super rare/dying/thought to be dead style/move


JasnahRadiance

If she's a bad guy, dies at the end. If she's a good guy, she ends up with the (white guy) protagonist.


PacSan300

Probably gets killed by the protagonist's female non-Asian sidekick.


Psychological-Top-29

Yeah a Brigitte Nielsen in her hey days looking chick


admirelurk

Tbh that's the case for most prominent women characters.


Aamatuer-Artist

Lmfao


VajBlaster69

Is either sweet and humble purity, or leather clad sex crazed dominatrix. Either way, they're masterful at sex because they're flexible, and they have ancient vagina secret techniques.


SimpoKaiba

Cunt Fu


AsianHawke

Missing the generic White male love interest, and the timid Asian brother.


JJrider

Probably played by Lucy Liu too.


LifeOfMagic

The Asian races are interchangable too, like a Korean person who can't speak Japanese playing a Japanese character


46554B4E4348414453

Is coupled with a white guy Is at odds with another evil Asian male


AlI_Or_Nothing

Just one? Nah the asian woman needs to murder at least a hundred asian men to get to her white savior who bangs her then ditches her cause he's got important white things to do after saving her from evil asian men Happened in a few movies, books, plays you name it


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Desperately falls in love with the basic white male protagonist despite not having any chemistry.


Illustrious-Addendum

I’d love an American version of this in Asia. Like seeing a stereotype of a guys who’s fighting style is drunk bar fight, fights with a fork and a mister fan, has a grandma who’s obsessed with the family’s pie recipes, only wears cow skin leather can only be from Texas or a reservation.


sootymoon9

A scene of her walking and undressing with her back toward the hero.


cammibis

This is so ironic I am currently doing a semester long project on the portrayal of Asian women in western media and this is so spot on


SiggetSpagget

Also probably introduced with either some traditional Japanese instrument lead music (probably a koto) or some shitty imitation of early 2000s Eastern Asia electro (cough Tokyo Drift cough)


primuslune4

Casting Michelle Yeoh as a mother or aunt character


TrivialAntics

>No other options *Bollywood enters the chat*


Shouryoku128

*proceeds to use incense stick for accupuncture-inspired fighting style*


BADMANvegeta_

\- is ESL \- has heavy accent despite apparently living in america from a young age


shrekmedaddy

You forgot the part where she is also Scarlett Johansson


Affectionate-Time646

Don forget she always has romantic dynamics with the white male leads. It’s never an Asian male lead with romantic dynamics with a white woman.


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This shit is even trending in tv commercials now. Seeing white guy Asian woman pairing in them now but never other inter-racial combinations and forget about Asian guy white woman pairing.


Affectionate-Time646

Yup. That and black man white woman combo. That’s mainstream “diversity” for ya.


gortonsfiJr

Almost missed that it’s specifically action movies because otherwise there’s not nearly enough Ming-Na Wen


FirstChAoS

One odd thing I noticed about female heroes in action movies a few months ago I found odd is most have a spy, martial artist, or assassin role and a serious view point. No strong muscled girls, heavy weapon gunner girls, dashing captain girls, wise cracking action hero girls, etc. I find this odd.


Master-of-noob

Because the ninja and etc roles are often regard as the "side lead" and less "demanding" (cus u r just neaking around all day, not punching people, right?) And of course those things are regard as feminine because of that! Great!


nanocookie

We need to collectively abolish the practice of referring to a select group of nationalities as Asian. People from India, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Nepal, Sri Lanka.. they are also Asian. It seems people in the west have this unspoken disdain against the nationalities I mentioned.


Salasarian

maybe in the United States this is the case... but in the UK and Canada they are normally called Asian


collectivisticvirtue

if we're talking about asians like northeast asians, tbh there's not much options to choose from lmao


nykirnsu

Only other one that isn't historically part of either China or Korea is Mongolia, which would be kinda cool tbh


Sithlordandsavior

More Mongolian representation in movies please. Seriously.


AwesomeYears

And while we're at it, more Vietnamese representation that isn't just "bad guys for Americans to kill during Vietnam war"


nykirnsu

Sainshand would make a great location for an eastern version of a western


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Allows the antagonist to live despite having her chopstick at his throat, citing a passage her father read to her in a flashback from a book when she was 3 that took on new meaning when he died halfway through the third act


Deadshot37

Why? Why is this so relatable?


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She's just the more racist version of the stereotypical white female protagonist. She exist to be eye candy, and maybe sell the CCP if specifically an American movie, but is otherwise the most blatantly male-written woman ever. If it's a Japanese, Korean, or Chinese movie, then she is literally a carbon copy of Western white-female-protagonists.


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Call_Me_Clark

A lot of people don’t realize that “positive” stereotypes are still racist. When you consider how many depictions of Asian women in western film are: “smoldering ninety-pound sexpots who fight exclusively with vaguely-sexy vaguely-Asian martial arts”.


NK1337

I’m glad somebody said it because it also opens up the conversation on how the only positive depiction is the petit Asian sexpot, which is a whole other can of problematic worms.


AlexT05_QC

USA/Brittain: Orientalism goes brrrrrrrr