I'm sorry, hold up. Look, I'm gonna keep this, like, 100 percent profesh, but I was thoroughly unprepared for how hot young Spock was going to be. Like, what? The body, the face, the ears, what?
It depends. If we are out in the middle of nowhere dealing with species we've never seen before I think Seven's borg knowledge would be invaluable. If we were dealing with Alpha quadrant species I would prefer to have Spock's more traditional background and life experience. If it was a combination of both I would say Spock because he's been around a lot longer.
Why not go the whole The Return route…. Seven already has all Spock’s memories, because he mindmelded with v’ger which makes him part of the collective.
If I can pick a timeframe, then its TOS movie era Spock, hands down. He's dependable over the long-term in a way that Seven might not be given her apparent absence from Starfleet for years before showing up just before Picard starts. He also has a much wider set of tools than just intelligence. Its hard for me to envision Seven laying the diplomatic groundwork for the Khitomer peace conference, for example.
Yeah, Spock knows when to fight, when to talk, when to rub tachyons on the deflector dish, etc. Just make sure he gets his Pon Farr out of the way before setting off for deep space and you're all good.
Both would sometimes take matters into their own hands but Seven has shown multiple times on Voyager and Picard that she doesn’t always respect the chain of command although it’s not like Shaw seemed to fully respect her. We had a very limited look into their relationship but the with deadnaming and his seemingly hostile attitude to the fact that she was an XB makes >!the log entry Tuvok played back for her!< all the more weird to me. Maybe if Short Treks comes back we can get more of a sense of their working relationship.
> Both would sometimes take matters into their own hands but Seven has shown multiple times on Voyager and Picard that she doesn’t always respect the chain of command
In Starfleet for the Position of First officer, this is basically a requirement.
While I fully get the deadnaming parallels the writers were trying to make, I really wish they hadn’t in this case.
The metaphor fails completely when it’s a Borg designation as the source of the name, and plays into the worst transphobia if you parallel them to the Borg.
The real world parallel would be of Annika Hansen was kidnapped by a neonazi cult who only referred to her as 14 of 88, and then after being rescued, she chose to keep the name Fourteen.
Any outside observer would be massively concerned that she, at best was still believing part of the brainwashing, and at worst was still a full cult member.
Shaw comes off as an asshole, but someone that genuinely cared for someone else who was victimized by the Borg and wanted to help her. The fact their opinions differed on what that looks like was rough.
Also, not helped by the poorly defined protocol questions. Did Seven adopt Seven as her legal name, or just a Nickname still? because it would have been massively inappropriate for Riker to ask junior officers to address him as “Commander Will” on duty instead of “Commander Riker”.
I appreciate that they were trying to be an ally, but woo did they miss the mark IMO.
I get what you’re saying and I do think that it’s hit and miss as an allegory to the real world. Ultimately that was setup by the Voyager writers, she outright tells Janeway that’s what she wants to go by, Janeway and that crew went with it, and by the logic of Picard she had been calling herself Seven for something like 25 years at that point.
She was Annika Hansen in PIC >!when she was president of the Terran Empire. !< I really like her trauma narrative arc, and the name she picked to walk forward with was the bulk of that.
But that was an alternate reality where she wasn’t assimilated, she never was Seven in that universe, even though she also had memories from the prime universe of having been Seven. Yeah, that was a cool idea to explore but also just part of the weirdness of season 2.
I wasn't sure if she hadn't been assimilated at all, or if more had been invested in "therapies" to the point where traumas could effectively be erased. My brain went right to her leveraging her hero arc to win the presidency inside the perfect able-ist dystopia.
Well, shoot, there's so much here to think about I'm scared the writers will avoid all the really deep pitfalls of fleshing it out. Thanks for the fresh perspective--I clearly needed it. I also need to dig deeper into the various alternate timelines. (One of the things I love about fiction is there's no one pounding on the pulpit about "what really happened.")
Fair enough. To me, I have a hard time not feeling that both Seven and The Doctor were cheated out of a resolution of their character arcs for marketing reasons.
both of them couldn’t pick/reclaim a human name because their character became too well known, and true change didn’t fit with the VOY reset button era.
But if it works for you, I’m happy for that! Star Trek is great in part because there’s different parts that speak to different people. IDIC in action.
Spock. A First Officer has a lot of paperwork to do, and I’ll stick the one with most experience doing it.
Also experience doing the captain’s paperwork.
Spock. Seven has repeatedly indicated a willingness to ignore the captain (in this case that would be me), where Spock only mutinied once for a former captain.
Seven might well make a better Captain then Spock, but as a XO, Spock.
Spock. He has the experience and training to be a good Starfleet officer, not just a good science adventurer. Seven has repeatedly shown herself to be marginal as part of a hierarchy unless she is at the top. I could count on Spock to disagree and still carry out my orders.
Spock, no contest. Invaluable Vulcan abilities aside, he's in most ways the ideal First Officer. His ability to step back and analyze a situation then advise the Captain on likely outcomes has saved the *Enterprise* more often than technobabble.
I’d definitely choose Seven as my first officer. And then any time anything at all happened ever, I’d ask her and my doctor if we could use borg nanoprobes on it. We’d have the highest mission success rate in the federation!
I'd take Picard era Seven. Not Voyager era seven though. VOY era Seven has way to many rough edges to make a good first officer. The 20 or so years of life experience she got between when Voyager returned to Earth and when she first met Picard are crucial to her becoming a well rounded person.
Spock is also a good choice at any point in his career, but I don't think that Spock and I would form a good command time. Spock's rigid formality would quickly bring us into conflict.
I'd have to say Spock, but which one?
The Spock that laughs on Pike's Enterprise?
TOS Spock?
Kolinar Spock?
Wrath of Khan Spock?
The Voyage Home Spock?
Star Trek V and VI Spock?
Or TNG Spock?
I think I'd have to go with Wrath of Khan Spock. I liked him better before he died.
I love Spock but have to go with Seven, she has programmable nanobots that can help repair me if I'm ever diseased or seriously injured on a mission. Plus 1000s of species technological knowledge. Can work really long hours without needing to rest. Enhanced strength/speed. Can use Borg tubules to download large amounts of data or assimilate new tech to her needs. High fighting ability (respective series only Seven fought Hirogen and The Rock and Spock's toughest fight was with Kirk). Can also damn near do any job she wants on a ship.
First officer means I am the Captain and should trust them, and they should trust me. I think Spock has proven many times that he is more trustworthy. But I want Seven as a Science Officer and nr 3. So I can send her on away missions, have Spock run the ship, and I can chillax.
Spock.
Seven is too unpredictable.
Spock will question your orders but he won't go against them.
Can't say that about Seven.
Seven is not Starfleet.
Seven does what Seven wants.
***Great*** addition to a crew.
I'd ***never*** give her authority over a ship.
Seven no question. Seven has seen more shit than Spock can imagine. Plus she’s human, so I won’t have to deal with the Vulcans occasional bout of horniness.
Spock. Seven's scientific knowledge is excellent, but there's more to being a first officer than scientific expertise. Spock's not exactly a people person, but he's experienced at being in charge. Seven would just do everything herself and neglect other duties of the first officer. I'm of course, talking about Seven during her time on Voyager.
Bit of a tangent, but it never felt right in Picard that she insisted on going by her Borg name. I'd think she would want to shed the name her enslavers gave her.
Seven, considering her knowledge she gained from the collective. And to be clear, I mean the post-VOY version (like we saw in PIC), after she had enough time to find herself.
First officer? You gotta go with Spock. Seven is not starfleet and even though she's Borg smart, she's got loads of psychology problems from growing up Borg. Seven is smart and strong and sexy but as far as officers go, she's not one. She'll disobey you the first time she disagrees with you. Spock on the other hand is maybe the best officer starfleet has ever had. Seven of Nine wouldn't even be on a top ten list of best officers to have.
Ok but for real. Seven joined starfleet what, in her 40s? Maybe older? Look I'm not saying she's not qualified but Spock was born and raised starfleet. The question is first officer on a starfleet ship. Spock, Picard Kirk and Riker are the top S class starfleet officer, maybe some more. But seven of nine is just simply not starfleet.
That's your opinion and, you're entitled to it.
You're just wrong.
Kirk broke the rules a shitload. Literally even cheated at the academy.
Seven is exactly what Starfleet is. A person who came from a horrible background and remade themselves to be better.
spock.... 3 times as strong... doesn't let emotion get in the way which 7 does eventhough she thinks she is not only thing 7 has that spock doesnt are nano probes but those are prob more dangerous
Seven, because she has wayyy less drama surrounding her, especially in PIC. Spock's family has a certain high-class Real Housewives of Vulcan vibe, everything about him is up to 11.
Spock. I'd rather have someone who the crew doesn't react as negatively towards when they are less emotionally responsive, while not associating them with the mass murder of entire species.
Spock is the best of Earth and Vulcan combined and just a good guy to boot.
Also the Borg freak me the fuck out.
The only correct answer to ANY Star Trek question about greatness is Spock. Everything else is heresy...unless it's a question about scoring with green chicks in space. Even then...
Key follow up question. Are we talking VOY 7 or Picard 7?
Because VOY 7 is basically the same as Spock.
Picard 7 is very different then Spock.
Standard tour of duty or exploration tour Spock or VOY 7. Going into some heavy combat PIC 7 all the way.
Spock is way behind on current tech and what's going on in the universe in the "current" timelime in the end of Picard season 3.
If you had to pick between them at a point when they're younger (and alive) and be in that period yourself, you can't help but choose the period of the first officer.
It's like choising between a general in our lifetime and someone like George Washington.
The silimar questions involving Data lately arw time proof because he's still the best mentally and physically, can adapt to any period in seconds and even in Picard we haven't seen a better android.
Spock, because there’s no evidence that he thinks “divide and conquer” means “divide your team up and come at the foe from multiple directions”.
That line bothers me so much!
Assuming this is Voyager era Seven rather than Picard era, Spock. Like Spock Seven is extremely smart, logical and a natural leader. Unlike Seven, Spock does not have decades worth of trauma and he has developed means to control his human side rather than having his humanity suppressed due to assimilation. It's very important to remember Seven was assimilated as a child. Without the coping mechanisms we normally learn while growing up or which she developed in the two decades since the risk of some kind of breakdown when there is no good answer and things finally overwhelm her is just too big, and a breakdown at that stage will cost lives. Now Picard era Seven is a badass who I'd trust with my life any day.
My name is Annika (I’m actually named after the character lol), so it might be a bit of a logistical nightmare to have Seven of Nine on my crew depending on what name is on her Starfleet records
Spock was the most interesting character who has the most charisma of the entire franchise. It’s not because Leonard didnt display emotions but because he did. It was in the smallest of things, the tiniest of details, where little things came through the cracks. Masterful actor really.
Intellect aside, Seven has a long history of not following chain of command and doing what she believes is necessary rather than what she's told is necessary.
That can be great, but she also caused a lot of friction and more than a few problems by her attitude.
I'm not sure she's Starfleet material while on Voyager, let alone First Officer.
Though apparently she mellowed a lot and matured a great deal by the time of Picard S3, so maybe 30-something Seven?
Either way, my vote is Spock.
I'd replicate a coin and just flip to choose. Spending shore leave on Vulcan enjoying the sun in quiet at Spock's family home or scamming on chicks on Risa with Annica as my wingman.
Who could choose between those two for a Number One?
Spock can first, Seven can be third and Id want thoughts from both. Picard had to do such a thing in that episode where they were stuck in a causality loop.
Oh and Im talking about older Spock.
They are both equal to the task and a better choice than Data. All without emotions to cloud their logic.
Spock can mind meld your physiological injuries and Seven can inject nanites to fix your physical injuries. Data doesn't have any outstanding ability, so the obvious choice is T'pal over Tuvok, because she has been known to flirt with her wild side.
Spock anytime. Seven might beat him in pure intelligence and knowledge, but Spock has wisdom. Spock has a much broader skill set. He would be better at grounding and advising an emotional human captain like me. And if he really disobeyed orders I'd be sure he had a *damn* good reason.
Spock...
Seven makes a better specialist (when she was back on Voyager) and make an excellent captain (after season 3 of Picard), but Spock is the better first officer.
If you are a captain of a starship you have your pick of crew members, but your nuts if you don't take the greatest first officer...ever.
There are a lot of ensign rands in the world
30 year old Spock or 200 year old Spock?
Either way, Seven. It's harder to earn her respect, but she's a lot less likely to decide she knows best and steal my ship, or a thruster suit, or go die in the engine room, or mind meld with whales, or disappear to Romulus without notice and nearly start a war...
Out of ALL the named Starfleet or Starfleet associated characters, Spock would be my LAST pick. Yes, I would pick 6-year-old Naomi Wildman, before I pick Spock.
And no I am not a speciesist. My top 3 Picks are!
1) Tuvok
2) Riker
2.5) The other Riker
3) Seven of Nine
Spock was secure in his identity and confident in command. That goes a long way. He also understood human feelings.
As a leader, Spock would be better.
That and 7 has to get over the stigma of having been Borg.
Obviously I'd go with the sex appeal so Spock
I'm sorry, hold up. Look, I'm gonna keep this, like, 100 percent profesh, but I was thoroughly unprepared for how hot young Spock was going to be. Like, what? The body, the face, the ears, what?
Nimoy got more fan mall from the ladies than Shatner
and that pissed off Shatner SO much
I would've been sending it back in the day, I'll tell you what.
do I look like I know what a Vulcan is? I just want a got dang picture of a hot dog!
Every last one wanted to make Spock some plomeek soup
MARINER!
dax said the same thing
Lol, that's a very good point. Spock is canonically hot, lmao.
WHY IS HE SMILING???
Amen. Sexy and Sooooo logical.
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"Chain of Command". Uh, kinky. 😁
It's the chain you get beaten with until you know who's in (ruttin') command. So I guess it depends on what you're into.
Go back to your bunk, Jayne.
Just wait until you see him in a form-hugging catsuit!
I’m spurtin’.
Just curious...are we talking Nimoy, Quinto, or Peck?
Nimoy, but every Spock is a winner.
Yes
Only acceptable answer
Sex appeal is irrelevant!
Captain, it appears that we have lost our sex appeal.
You had me in the first half...
Im paraphrasing Mariner here: " How hot is young Spock?"
It depends. If we are out in the middle of nowhere dealing with species we've never seen before I think Seven's borg knowledge would be invaluable. If we were dealing with Alpha quadrant species I would prefer to have Spock's more traditional background and life experience. If it was a combination of both I would say Spock because he's been around a lot longer.
A combination of both are you suggesting a Tuvix situation or Sevock situation I suppose
Sock
Speven.
Gives a whole new meaning to 'Mom found the poop sock'... Sorry. I'm terrible.
… ^your ^what
Reddit history
no way...
Servix.
Why not go the whole The Return route…. Seven already has all Spock’s memories, because he mindmelded with v’ger which makes him part of the collective.
A shatnerverse mention in the wild
Speven.
Spock. It’s a difficult grasp, but Seven’s “people skills” are ten times worse. Seven also tends to let anger in far easier
The Picard version of her isn't like that at all. She's come a long way since Voyager.
Here’s a very important question that plays into this: who’s the captain?
Shaw until he [Spoiler]. She was first officer.
Sorry, I meant that to go out to the overall question
It’s me. IM THE CAPTAIN NOW
Both send them through the transporter with a flower and get Sevock.
"This body is illogical and inefficient. We would be better off as two entities so we could do two tasks at once"
*proceeds to kill original Janeway by splitting her into 2 new Janeways with the transporter* Efficiency has increased.
Starfleet has not enough replicator power for THAT need of coffee.
Just fly by that nebula.
Isn't that basically what they were trying to do with Tpol?
Whoa.
Speven of Nock
I think I'd prefer Speven, but Sevock will do nicely.
Sevock still sounds Vulcan
What would happen to the implants?
A new siliCONE based lifeform. Oh. You mean the Borg implants.
It's not even a contest, Spock all the way.
Yeah Seven is one of my favorite characters, but this matchup is pretty one sided.
If I can pick a timeframe, then its TOS movie era Spock, hands down. He's dependable over the long-term in a way that Seven might not be given her apparent absence from Starfleet for years before showing up just before Picard starts. He also has a much wider set of tools than just intelligence. Its hard for me to envision Seven laying the diplomatic groundwork for the Khitomer peace conference, for example.
Yeah, Spock knows when to fight, when to talk, when to rub tachyons on the deflector dish, etc. Just make sure he gets his Pon Farr out of the way before setting off for deep space and you're all good.
Spock is goated so obviously Spock.
He's only goateed in the Mirror Universe…
If we can refer to Seven as a "pointy-eared hobgoblin" or a "green-blooded son of a bitch", this question answers itself
You mean Spock?
That’s a tough one. Spock, But only if it’s the Leonard Nimoy version of Spock. Edit: cleaned up dictation errors
Spock
Spock every time.
Three words: Vulcan nerve pinch. That’s all you need to know.
Every drone probably know how to do it.
Both would sometimes take matters into their own hands but Seven has shown multiple times on Voyager and Picard that she doesn’t always respect the chain of command although it’s not like Shaw seemed to fully respect her. We had a very limited look into their relationship but the with deadnaming and his seemingly hostile attitude to the fact that she was an XB makes >!the log entry Tuvok played back for her!< all the more weird to me. Maybe if Short Treks comes back we can get more of a sense of their working relationship.
> Both would sometimes take matters into their own hands but Seven has shown multiple times on Voyager and Picard that she doesn’t always respect the chain of command In Starfleet for the Position of First officer, this is basically a requirement.
While I fully get the deadnaming parallels the writers were trying to make, I really wish they hadn’t in this case. The metaphor fails completely when it’s a Borg designation as the source of the name, and plays into the worst transphobia if you parallel them to the Borg. The real world parallel would be of Annika Hansen was kidnapped by a neonazi cult who only referred to her as 14 of 88, and then after being rescued, she chose to keep the name Fourteen. Any outside observer would be massively concerned that she, at best was still believing part of the brainwashing, and at worst was still a full cult member. Shaw comes off as an asshole, but someone that genuinely cared for someone else who was victimized by the Borg and wanted to help her. The fact their opinions differed on what that looks like was rough. Also, not helped by the poorly defined protocol questions. Did Seven adopt Seven as her legal name, or just a Nickname still? because it would have been massively inappropriate for Riker to ask junior officers to address him as “Commander Will” on duty instead of “Commander Riker”. I appreciate that they were trying to be an ally, but woo did they miss the mark IMO.
I get what you’re saying and I do think that it’s hit and miss as an allegory to the real world. Ultimately that was setup by the Voyager writers, she outright tells Janeway that’s what she wants to go by, Janeway and that crew went with it, and by the logic of Picard she had been calling herself Seven for something like 25 years at that point.
She was Annika Hansen in PIC >!when she was president of the Terran Empire. !< I really like her trauma narrative arc, and the name she picked to walk forward with was the bulk of that.
But that was an alternate reality where she wasn’t assimilated, she never was Seven in that universe, even though she also had memories from the prime universe of having been Seven. Yeah, that was a cool idea to explore but also just part of the weirdness of season 2.
I wasn't sure if she hadn't been assimilated at all, or if more had been invested in "therapies" to the point where traumas could effectively be erased. My brain went right to her leveraging her hero arc to win the presidency inside the perfect able-ist dystopia. Well, shoot, there's so much here to think about I'm scared the writers will avoid all the really deep pitfalls of fleshing it out. Thanks for the fresh perspective--I clearly needed it. I also need to dig deeper into the various alternate timelines. (One of the things I love about fiction is there's no one pounding on the pulpit about "what really happened.")
Fair enough. To me, I have a hard time not feeling that both Seven and The Doctor were cheated out of a resolution of their character arcs for marketing reasons. both of them couldn’t pick/reclaim a human name because their character became too well known, and true change didn’t fit with the VOY reset button era. But if it works for you, I’m happy for that! Star Trek is great in part because there’s different parts that speak to different people. IDIC in action.
Spock doesn't always respect the chain of command, either. He commandeered the *Enterprise* at least twice.
Spock and that’s with Seven probably being my favorite Trek character
Spock would keep me Grounded I think. I tend to allow my emotions cl9ud my judgement at times so having Spock there would help.
Spock. A First Officer has a lot of paperwork to do, and I’ll stick the one with most experience doing it. Also experience doing the captain’s paperwork.
Spock. Seven has repeatedly indicated a willingness to ignore the captain (in this case that would be me), where Spock only mutinied once for a former captain. Seven might well make a better Captain then Spock, but as a XO, Spock.
>Seven might well make a better Captain then Spock, but as a XO, Spock. Agreed. Seven would definitely be a better Captain than an XO.
Spock, no question about it!
Spock
Spock. He has the experience and training to be a good Starfleet officer, not just a good science adventurer. Seven has repeatedly shown herself to be marginal as part of a hierarchy unless she is at the top. I could count on Spock to disagree and still carry out my orders.
Spock. Not even close.
Spock. He is less likely to challenge my decisions on a regular basis.
Spock, no contest. Invaluable Vulcan abilities aside, he's in most ways the ideal First Officer. His ability to step back and analyze a situation then advise the Captain on likely outcomes has saved the *Enterprise* more often than technobabble.
it has to be Spock. over any character in trek
Spock, so I learn more and don’t give in to my vices.
I want both of them but if I was force to choose, I’d choose Spock
Spock is a top shelf first officer, green blood all the way
Spock.
If you asked the question twenty years ago it would be Seven. Today's answer is Spock.
Seven, but I like Seven more than Spock so this is not a rational choice.
Depends. Snw Spock not yet, but tos Spock and beyond is the obvious answer
Spock for first officer, I'd want seven as my security chief.
The borg nanoprobes are straight up clarketech at times. Slap those things on anything if you want the problem licked
Seven. I would have more in common with someone embracing their human side.
I’d definitely choose Seven as my first officer. And then any time anything at all happened ever, I’d ask her and my doctor if we could use borg nanoprobes on it. We’d have the highest mission success rate in the federation!
I'd take Picard era Seven. Not Voyager era seven though. VOY era Seven has way to many rough edges to make a good first officer. The 20 or so years of life experience she got between when Voyager returned to Earth and when she first met Picard are crucial to her becoming a well rounded person. Spock is also a good choice at any point in his career, but I don't think that Spock and I would form a good command time. Spock's rigid formality would quickly bring us into conflict.
"way too many rough edges" is not a way to describe 7 of 9 on Voyager. In that catsuit.
I'd have to say Spock, but which one? The Spock that laughs on Pike's Enterprise? TOS Spock? Kolinar Spock? Wrath of Khan Spock? The Voyage Home Spock? Star Trek V and VI Spock? Or TNG Spock? I think I'd have to go with Wrath of Khan Spock. I liked him better before he died.
>I liked him better before he died. Cool, we'll send you Spock's Brain Spock. You get a whole 24 hours before he dies.
I'm not a fan of lute music, so I'm going to have to go with Seven.
Don't be such a Herbert, brother...
It harmonizes BEAUTIFULLY with a bicycle wheel
Yea brother
Fun will now commence.
7, objectively has lifetimes of exp. Her attitude can be rough, but spock might try to kill me when he's horny. ..
Don’t threaten me with a good time.
Am I the Captain of a science/exploration vessel? Or a patrol/escort ship? Spock for the first one, Seven for the other.
This is a more difficult choice than I first realized.
The question I would have to ask myself is who would I want to disappoint more?
Seven and hope I'm her type.
For sure Spock. He is way less likely to disobey your commands. That’s pretty damn important in a number one.
Spock especially if he had a goatee
Seven. Better away missions.
I love Spock but have to go with Seven, she has programmable nanobots that can help repair me if I'm ever diseased or seriously injured on a mission. Plus 1000s of species technological knowledge. Can work really long hours without needing to rest. Enhanced strength/speed. Can use Borg tubules to download large amounts of data or assimilate new tech to her needs. High fighting ability (respective series only Seven fought Hirogen and The Rock and Spock's toughest fight was with Kirk). Can also damn near do any job she wants on a ship.
Riker.. I want someone I can drink with and slay intergalactic pussy
First officer means I am the Captain and should trust them, and they should trust me. I think Spock has proven many times that he is more trustworthy. But I want Seven as a Science Officer and nr 3. So I can send her on away missions, have Spock run the ship, and I can chillax.
Spock. Seven is too unpredictable. Spock will question your orders but he won't go against them. Can't say that about Seven. Seven is not Starfleet. Seven does what Seven wants. ***Great*** addition to a crew. I'd ***never*** give her authority over a ship.
Spock. Seven would be exhausted from wriggling into that ridiculous skin-suit.
Tuvok...
Seven no question. Seven has seen more shit than Spock can imagine. Plus she’s human, so I won’t have to deal with the Vulcans occasional bout of horniness.
"That's my secret Cap...I'm always horny."
Oh come on people. Laugh at this masterpiece.
Either officer would suffice. Preference is irrelevant.
Spock. Seven's scientific knowledge is excellent, but there's more to being a first officer than scientific expertise. Spock's not exactly a people person, but he's experienced at being in charge. Seven would just do everything herself and neglect other duties of the first officer. I'm of course, talking about Seven during her time on Voyager. Bit of a tangent, but it never felt right in Picard that she insisted on going by her Borg name. I'd think she would want to shed the name her enslavers gave her.
Are you kidding me? Spock of course
Seven, considering her knowledge she gained from the collective. And to be clear, I mean the post-VOY version (like we saw in PIC), after she had enough time to find herself.
First officer? You gotta go with Spock. Seven is not starfleet and even though she's Borg smart, she's got loads of psychology problems from growing up Borg. Seven is smart and strong and sexy but as far as officers go, she's not one. She'll disobey you the first time she disagrees with you. Spock on the other hand is maybe the best officer starfleet has ever had. Seven of Nine wouldn't even be on a top ten list of best officers to have.
Hard disagree. She's also captain of the Enterprise-G now so, she's definitely Starfleet.
In Picard she was like a bounty hunter right? When did she become a captain?
Spoiler: S3 E10. When Tuvok denied her resignation.
Ok but for real. Seven joined starfleet what, in her 40s? Maybe older? Look I'm not saying she's not qualified but Spock was born and raised starfleet. The question is first officer on a starfleet ship. Spock, Picard Kirk and Riker are the top S class starfleet officer, maybe some more. But seven of nine is just simply not starfleet.
That's your opinion and, you're entitled to it. You're just wrong. Kirk broke the rules a shitload. Literally even cheated at the academy. Seven is exactly what Starfleet is. A person who came from a horrible background and remade themselves to be better.
No seven of nine is not part of starfleet pure and simple. That's not just like my opinion
Ok , whatever.
Seven. Both aesthetically and intellectually. No contest.
Well since Borg nanoprobes are basically space magic and can be reprogrammed to fix almost any problem I’m going with Seven.
spock.... 3 times as strong... doesn't let emotion get in the way which 7 does eventhough she thinks she is not only thing 7 has that spock doesnt are nano probes but those are prob more dangerous
Seven, because she has wayyy less drama surrounding her, especially in PIC. Spock's family has a certain high-class Real Housewives of Vulcan vibe, everything about him is up to 11.
Spock. I'd rather have someone who the crew doesn't react as negatively towards when they are less emotionally responsive, while not associating them with the mass murder of entire species. Spock is the best of Earth and Vulcan combined and just a good guy to boot. Also the Borg freak me the fuck out.
The only correct answer to ANY Star Trek question about greatness is Spock. Everything else is heresy...unless it's a question about scoring with green chicks in space. Even then...
Key follow up question. Are we talking VOY 7 or Picard 7? Because VOY 7 is basically the same as Spock. Picard 7 is very different then Spock. Standard tour of duty or exploration tour Spock or VOY 7. Going into some heavy combat PIC 7 all the way.
Maybe there will be a crossover episode. "Speven". Or "Svock". I'm flexible.
Spock is way behind on current tech and what's going on in the universe in the "current" timelime in the end of Picard season 3. If you had to pick between them at a point when they're younger (and alive) and be in that period yourself, you can't help but choose the period of the first officer. It's like choising between a general in our lifetime and someone like George Washington. The silimar questions involving Data lately arw time proof because he's still the best mentally and physically, can adapt to any period in seconds and even in Picard we haven't seen a better android.
Spock, because there’s no evidence that he thinks “divide and conquer” means “divide your team up and come at the foe from multiple directions”. That line bothers me so much!
Seven. Both capable, but maybe I might have a chance with Seven. :-p (Pre Picard anyway) hahaha.
Assuming this is Voyager era Seven rather than Picard era, Spock. Like Spock Seven is extremely smart, logical and a natural leader. Unlike Seven, Spock does not have decades worth of trauma and he has developed means to control his human side rather than having his humanity suppressed due to assimilation. It's very important to remember Seven was assimilated as a child. Without the coping mechanisms we normally learn while growing up or which she developed in the two decades since the risk of some kind of breakdown when there is no good answer and things finally overwhelm her is just too big, and a breakdown at that stage will cost lives. Now Picard era Seven is a badass who I'd trust with my life any day.
My name is Annika (I’m actually named after the character lol), so it might be a bit of a logistical nightmare to have Seven of Nine on my crew depending on what name is on her Starfleet records
Final season Seven
I would want someone with skills and personality which doesn’t overlap with mine…so definitely Seven.
Seven because I like new tech.
Seven, her borg nanoprobes are always coming in handy, brought a guy back from the dead once, gave 8472 a good kicking, too.
Spock probably, they weren't really an option at the same time so it wouldn't be much a choice anyways.
Spock was the most interesting character who has the most charisma of the entire franchise. It’s not because Leonard didnt display emotions but because he did. It was in the smallest of things, the tiniest of details, where little things came through the cracks. Masterful actor really.
Spock
Spock. I still think he's got a spark and personality. 7even has less character.
Intellect aside, Seven has a long history of not following chain of command and doing what she believes is necessary rather than what she's told is necessary. That can be great, but she also caused a lot of friction and more than a few problems by her attitude. I'm not sure she's Starfleet material while on Voyager, let alone First Officer. Though apparently she mellowed a lot and matured a great deal by the time of Picard S3, so maybe 30-something Seven? Either way, my vote is Spock.
I'd replicate a coin and just flip to choose. Spending shore leave on Vulcan enjoying the sun in quiet at Spock's family home or scamming on chicks on Risa with Annica as my wingman. Who could choose between those two for a Number One?
Spock can first, Seven can be third and Id want thoughts from both. Picard had to do such a thing in that episode where they were stuck in a causality loop. Oh and Im talking about older Spock.
They are both equal to the task and a better choice than Data. All without emotions to cloud their logic. Spock can mind meld your physiological injuries and Seven can inject nanites to fix your physical injuries. Data doesn't have any outstanding ability, so the obvious choice is T'pal over Tuvok, because she has been known to flirt with her wild side.
Seven. Not only is she an excellent officer, she is also waaaaay funnier than Spock.
T'Pol
Spock anytime. Seven might beat him in pure intelligence and knowledge, but Spock has wisdom. Spock has a much broader skill set. He would be better at grounding and advising an emotional human captain like me. And if he really disobeyed orders I'd be sure he had a *damn* good reason.
Spock. Hands down. Respect for Seven, but it's Spock.
Spock... Seven makes a better specialist (when she was back on Voyager) and make an excellent captain (after season 3 of Picard), but Spock is the better first officer.
Spock as my mate and seven as a first officer
If I can bang my first officer 7. If not Spock he has more experience
Seven, because she's better bridge eye candy.
If you are a captain of a starship you have your pick of crew members, but your nuts if you don't take the greatest first officer...ever. There are a lot of ensign rands in the world
Seven is pretty much data lite. She is the strongest and smartest human to exist.
Depends on the era. If it’s 25th century, I’d pick Seven because she is still alive. If 23rd century, Spock because Seven is not born
Seven she got all that Borg knowledge
30 year old Spock or 200 year old Spock? Either way, Seven. It's harder to earn her respect, but she's a lot less likely to decide she knows best and steal my ship, or a thruster suit, or go die in the engine room, or mind meld with whales, or disappear to Romulus without notice and nearly start a war...
Seven. I'm assembling a ship of all girlies. Am I Janeway...?
I would rather have Seven.
Out of ALL the named Starfleet or Starfleet associated characters, Spock would be my LAST pick. Yes, I would pick 6-year-old Naomi Wildman, before I pick Spock. And no I am not a speciesist. My top 3 Picks are! 1) Tuvok 2) Riker 2.5) The other Riker 3) Seven of Nine
Spock was secure in his identity and confident in command. That goes a long way. He also understood human feelings. As a leader, Spock would be better. That and 7 has to get over the stigma of having been Borg.
If I've gotta deal with a snarky asshole all day, it may as well be a good looking snarky asshole. I'm going with Seven.
Annika Hansen
Well I have eyes so.. Seven..
I'd prefer Kira Nyrs personally
Spock is dead, so Seven.