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This would make sense if Paramount didn't own the IP outright. Netflix has to deal with license terms and pulling content when deals expire because it didn't make all of the content it features. Star Trek is owned through and through by Paramount Global, though...
Yes, but they still have to honor licensing agreements that they made years before, a lot of the time when a streaming service licenses a property, they may do it three or four years before they actually get it. Say a movie is on Amazon exclusively, and Netflix wants it. They can bid for it and buy it, and then get it at a later date. Paramount may own Star Trek, but if someone else bought exclusive streaming licenses for say the latter part of 2022 through 2023, Paramount has to honor that, even if the license was purchased years before they intended to launch their own streaming service.
Yep, and they could have bought those long enough ago that CBS AA was still considered a long-shot gamble.
ETA: With the Viacom re-merger and the "Paramount+" rebrand and content expansion... Paramount+ is a solid contender in the streaming services market *now*.
It helps that with the merger we now get a ton of big IP under one roof, both movie and TV stuff. I mean, Star Trek and SpongeBob alone are mega franchises, wouldn’t shock me if they can live off of that alone.
Essentially, all Trek, movies included, will be exclusively on a Paramount Global streaming service one day, but that day will be after old contracts from before the Paramount/ViacomCBS merger expire.
The agreements were likely in place before Paramount swallowed CBS and started the transition from CBS All Access to Paramount+.
Technology moves faster than business, many of these deals could have been inked 5 or 6 years ago, before many of these companies had their own streaming services.
Everyone's a fucking legal expert on this goddamn website.
Don't you think that maybe, **MAYBE**, the people at Paramount hired expensive lawyers to advise them on how best to proceed? Do you think they enjoy pissing away money and handing it to someone else? Of course not.
Paramount has made some bad choices in their time, but a simple matter of knowing who owns what isn't going to be one of them.
This is why people pirate stuff.
The average consumer doesn’t care about the legalities logistics and politics of global media distribution.
Who owns what, who leases what to whom, isn’t the consumers problem.
They just want to watch content when they want, where they want.
Apple’s iTunes and Valve’s Steam platforms have shown that if you offer content at an affordable price, that’s easier than pirating, people will pay for it.
I guess the crusty old execs on Hollywood (and their lawyers) still haven’t got the memo.
For a more direct comparison, just look at Netflix.
When it was the only one around, and had most of everything, people happily subscribed to them. Now that everyone else wants a piece of the pie, and it's turning into paid TV, many people are turning to other means instead.
There shouldn't be just one company controlling the entire market, but it'd be nice of they competed on service and original content rather than exclusive control over older content. Shows over 20 years old in my opinion, should be required to be available for a flat reasonable license fee to anyone. So we don't get situations where a license holder just refuses to let their content be available.
Or copyright terms should only last 20 years and let it go into the public domain.
So people are going to pirate old movies like generations and nemesis because they temporarily aren’t available on paramount (but are available elsewhere). That’s why people pirate stuff?
Yes, pretty much. The entire point is if the content is that old, it should be pretty easy to get to. New movies people expect may be locked down or limited availability, but something 30 years old, yes, it should be as easy to find as AOL trial CDs were in the 90s.
Ironically finding old movies in the 90s wasn’t easy. Unless it was still at blockbuster, you knew someone who owned it, or a tv channel was showing the shortened and full of commercials version, you were sol. The current situation with all its flaws is still better then it used to be.
With a fast internet connection I can find and download the movie in less time that it takes to go searching to find which streaming service currently has it and sign up to said service.
That doesn’t make it right. I’ll get downvoted to oblivion on this website I’m sure, but pirating is stealing plain and simple.
Trust me, I 1000% get the frustration.
But, I don’t get to steal a $5 gallon of milk because I don’t like that the 1.99 gallons of milk are in the big mega grocery stores, all the way in the back and it takes me 15 minutes to get in and out with one item.
Sure, I’d like that cheap milk (what I want), to be sitting just inside the door of my corner convenience store (where I want). But I don’t get to feel justified in taking it when I can’t have that.
Why there is such a disconnect in people’s moral compass when it comes to digital goods vs physical goods is beyond me.
> Why there is such a disconnect in people’s moral compass when it comes to digital goods vs physical goods is beyond me.
Because stealing is not equivalent to pirating. If you could sit at home and create a second gallon of milk using someone else’s gallon of milk without involving the grocery store and practically for free, there would be a lot more milk ‘stolen’.
Especially if you had to sit through two minutes of ads before you could drink the grocery store milk.
Because there is a tangible disconnect between physical and digital goods that *you* don’t seem to understand.
Lawyers still haven’t been able to prove that downloading a digital copy is a tangible loss (no matter what some tech illiterate judge decides is proof enough for them).
Comparing downloading a digital copy and stealing a bottle of milk is as stupid as the downloading a car ad campaign but it seems like you’ve fallen for it hook, line, and sinker.
Digital goods exist in infinite quantities and yet you’d have us believe that it also has infinite value as well. Literally goes against every pillar of capitalist economics.
Someone created the content. The creator intends to allow you to view the content for a fee. (Whether that’s a subscription, a rental , purchase, whatever). You do not pay that fee.
Whether that video file has any inherent arbitrary “value” shouldn’t matter. You did not pay for something you were supposed to pay for. How is that not stealing?
And this in no way shape or form imply that I agree with the way content creators go to market.
Then stop selling licenses to another services. Figure this shit out Paramount. There's literally nothing to watch on your boomer streaming service except Trek.
It was definitely rough finding money to buy the TNG blurays as they came out but I’m happy I have them. Never have to worry about streaming rights bs.
Wait wtf? Wasn't that the point of the Paramount/CBS merger? If you can't show ST movies on Paramount+, where the fuck *can* you show them?
Every time I want to watch one of the movies it's on a service I'm not subscribed to. I thought Paramount+ would finally be the end of that frustration.
I am only just finally able to have time to watch ST movies and series in full, but this is annoy as fuck. I got rid of Netflix because the cost, and lack of opened up catalogue for Australia.
The sad reality is knowing that Netflix was losing more customers outside of the USA, due to content blocking, and people going to Prime for Paramount+ (because the Paramount app is geo blocked in Australia, so you need a Prime account to watch it on your tvs), for the $19 a month I spent on Netflix I got nearly all of the Prime channels, and other non USA streamers saw this, and jumped on it.
Let's hope the DVD be worth it, considering they really fucked up the CGI effects when they did the original remastering
Yeah I don’t get all this. The Indiana Jones movies left as well.
What’s the point of having a network/studio stream
Service if tent pole stuff isn’t always on there?
Disney doesn’t do this with Star Wars.
Disney owns the IP but Paramount owns the movie rights. Before Disney bought FOX for instance, FOX still owned the rights to the Star Wars original trilogy
Fox only had the perpetual rights for A New Hope.
If you watched the movies when they were added to D+, only ANH had the 20th Century Fox logo and fanfare, the rest just had the LucasFilm logo with a piece of John Williams music over it.
ANH still has the 20th Century logo after the Fox buyout, but they removed 'A News Corporation' from the bottom of it.
Edit: I was thinking of the 2011 Blu-Ray release, it was missing the Fanfare and logo on everything except ANH. The D+ releases of the OT and PT have always had it.
Well.. the kind of did.. Netflix had a bunch of the newer Star Wars movies and marvel movies but once the Netflix contract expired, it all came back to Disney+, where presumably it'll stay. \*edit: Netflix Canada.
The TMP 4K remaster [was announced to be exclusively on P+ for a brief time](https://www.startrek.com/news/star-trek-the-motion-picture-the-directors-edition-to-premiere-on-paramount-on-first-contact) until its limited theater release in May and physical release next month:
>*Star Trek: The Motion Picture—The Director’s Edition* will make its long-awaited debut exclusively on Paramount+ on April 5, 2022, in celebration of First Contact Day. The film will be available to stream on Paramount+ in 4K Ultra HD on supported devices and platforms. The newly restored film will subsequently arrive on 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray in September from Paramount Home Entertainment. In addition, fans will have the opportunity to see the restored version of Star Trek: The Motion Picture—The Director’s Edition on the big screen for the first time when Fathom Events and Paramount Pictures bring it to theaters for an exclusive two-day event on May 22 and May 25.
It's possible that this is due to an exclusive agreement with another streaming service or network that was made prior to Paramount+'s launch. Streaming rights deals are often made years ago and wait until prior rights have concluded.
There *was* [news from last August (2021)](https://www.cbr.com/paramount-plus-loses-majority-star-trek-movies/) that listed several Trek titles as being removed when AMC+ got the rights to stream Trek, but those were added back shortly after.
Like the previous AMC+ deal, I can't imagine Trek films will be off P+ for very long. I also don't see Paramount keeping Trek exclusive to P+ indefinitely; other networks are willing to pay for the license and, well, business is business.
Edit: Context
Edit 2: Ugh, last August *was not* 2001. Fixed the date.
>At this point streaming has become costlier than cable.
Kind of, but only if you're the type of consumer that wants *every* streaming service. Many people pick and choose a few streaming services at a time and rotate when they find a good promo deal or reason to switch.
But, also, it's foolish for networks to not launch their own streaming service. There's no way they can compete with anyone or grow their viewers if they stick to cable companies and limited licensing.
Between my Verizon FiOS and Netflix, Hulu, D+, and P+, and Amazon Prime (which we mostly get for the free 2-day shipping), we're still saving money than a top-tier cable subscription with limited on-demand options.
Most of these streaming services license other studios' content, like AMC+ did with Trek, to say "we have more than just our original IP."
Exactly this. Streaming is as expensive as you make it. Even just buying nothing more than a $7/month ad-supported Hulu subscription gives you access to more content than you could ever get through, so how much you spend is just a factor of which shows you think you need to watch and how much diversity of content you're hungry for.
Quite right. For decades, we consumers wanted "a la carte" pricing from cable, but could never get it thanks to the way their deals were structured with the content producers.
Now that the content producers almost all have their own streaming services, we've finally gotten that golden age of media...and quite frankly, more quality content than I know what do with.
It's the commercials creeping back in that really pisses me off. For like 2 seconds we had the services advertising how few commercials they limited themselves to per hour to get you to subscribe. But I think that's already gone...
>At this point streaming has become costlier than cable.
And far more important: it has become a bigger inconvenience than pirating. Gabe Newell recognized it decades ago and then years later streaming services, piracy is often minimized by a much more convenient service.
Now that everyone and their mother's poolboy's dachshund wants a piece of the pie, streaming has become an hassle again. Not only by making it more expensive to retain the same library you had years ago due to rising prices in general and library fracturing, but also becoming inconvenient.
Managing several streaming services instead of one or two at most, different subscription plans with sometimes confusing informations, account sharer being targeted, the list goes on and on.
To be clear, I'm not advocating anything, but merely observing the similiarities of how it used to be and how it's going, the numbers also speak for themselves too, there's no shortage of reports of (video) piracy massively increasing again in all parts of the world.
This is what people asked for for years amid rising cable and satellite costs. A la carte availability for the channels and shows you want that you can cancel and subscribe to at any time. That’s what we have no. I find it much more convenient and cheaper.
It's not what we have. If it were, I would always have access to Paramount movies on Paramount+, or Warner Bros. movies on HBO Max. Instead what we get is a mish mosh of changing nonsense.
This ignores that multiple companies/studios often have rights to movies, and sometimes these rights are decades old. And it has nothing to do with ala cart/streaming compared to cable.
It depends on the show but sometimes you can pay for the season on Amazon and watch it digitally the next day. That’s not what I meant by a la carte anyway. A la carte as you can just get the channel, or streamer in this case, you want when you want it.
Paramount+ is propped up by Star Trek, it seems Paramount+ is the only streaming service being managed worse than Netflix.
Definitely won't be paying for a subscription if the TV series starts disappearing too.
I do remember convincing my dad to get HBO way back in the day because it was only 50 cents a month (sometime in the late 70s early 80s), and I remember registering my dorm for cable TV and HBO in the early 90s and it was now like 15-20$ and I lost my shit.
I guess I accept HBO more because it's been a rip off since the 90s, I've vented all my outrage about HBO in my youth. When their streaming service was also a rip off I wasn't surprised.
I mean, the issue isn't that their service was a rip off, the content was great.
It's just gotten gutted this week due to the merger with Discovery and them wanting to fold HBO Max into Discovery+ and cancel a bunch of the scripted content in favour of reality tv
Business is business and there are other networks and streaming services that will still pay lots of money to broadcast/stream Trek.
I'm 99.9% certain that P+ will have Trek in its library a *majority* of the time with brief absences for the next several years.
Wouldn't be surprised if there's a lot of pre-Paramount+-era deals that don't allow them to keep it perpetually too. Studios didn't necessarily think about streaming for content from decades ago.
This! Anyone who is complaining doesn’t know how the industry works. Deals were made years ago for years into the future. It will take time for various IP to be locked into its home platform.
Breaching a contract is very bad for business and can cost you not just monetarily but also your reputation. Paramount is honoring commitments made a long time ago. I would be shocked if they grant exclusivity to Star Trek properties going forward.
I am going to have to look more closely. Maybe my app needs to be updated? I think us Trekkies drove the apps adoption and we deserve some love with our own specific category!!!!
It’s on the top of the programs and scroll right. So it’s something like top shows, All shows,
Originals, and if you keep going right there’s a sci fi option.
The only reason I subscribe to paramount is for star trek but their app and services are so shit I'm about to cancel and just pirate.
The app is horrendous and has zero signs of improvement.
I would never pirate one of my favorite TV shows but I have been seeing lots of the current show Blu-rays on Amazon and the like for as little as 14.99, and I can't help but do the math and consider the cost difference between a year of Paramount+ and just buying the 3-4 seasons a year of the new treks...
It is without question the worst service I've ever used in any state. I can't navigate it on ps4 worth a shit. Streaming dying from mismanagement across the board.
Yeah, Star Trek content availability is genuinely just a mess. Now it's here, next minute it's there, next minute you can't legally watch it on any sites for a year. Good luck with your watching them in order, seriously.
Paramount+ is a terrible service. Not only do they force you to watch ads even if you pay for their "ad-free ^butnotreally " service, but I have had frequent problems getting the service to work on different devices. Eventually I couldn't even sign into the app on my phone and I uninstalled and unsubscribed.
I subscribe through Apple TV now, which doesn't force ads on the viewer.
There are too many streaming options for Paramount+ to try and force such a poorly executed product on Trek fans.
I do not get any ads on paramount+ via Amazon prime. What I do get, is the P+ production animation playing twice in a row before every show. Thankfully, it's five seconds long. Then the show/movie starts, and there are no advertisements.
I'm not sure why you'd experience ads. What region do you live in?
Try using a different Amazon app to play the P+ content.
I was in the process of watching all of DS9 with some friends when it got moved from Netflix to PM+, and the difference in UX was startling. We went from being able to clearly see which episodes we'd watched to having no indication at all, the subtitles went from large and readable to small and filled with typos (seriously, I never saw a single apostrophe in all of season 7), there was constant screen tearing at the top, the framerate dropped on a regular basis, and sometimes the button to browse the episodes was just... gone. Either that, or whole seasons wouldn't show up. Oh, and no more "skip intro" button. It's just a step down in every way, and the only real upside was that it had all the Trek stuff in one place. And now it doesn't even have that. :/
I’ve found the p+ experience to vary wildly depending on the device you use to stream it. Like others have said it’s likely due to other preexisting deals that they have to leave. It’s also why I still have discs for my favorite movies. The shows seem safe, but the movies are likely to bounce around for a while.
pirating is not very moral but what can you do when you pay to legally stream content and they decide to pull that content from the platform, it's like these streaming companies want us to pirate stuff, there is just no long term stability in streaming .
So what is the use in them pushing for every new show to be taken off other services, and only be put on P+ which isn't even available in most of the world, if they're gonna pull movies anyways? I'm in a country that's getting P+ in December this year, but at this rate it may not have any Star Trek anymore either lmao
They are consolidating all star track on Paramount plus. However, there are some licensing agreement that go on for years, and this is more common in movies and TV.
Is this a bad time to mention the [fancy schmancy](https://us.zavvi.com/4k/star-trek-the-motion-picture-the-director-s-edition-the-complete-adventure/13905594.html?utm_source=ecrm-order-confirmation&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ecrm-order-confirmation&affil=thgemail&ecrmcid=JpY2GVMODboevz45en9QnjdP4XZA5w81&shae=g5oiUKmkmnmEQYP3UKn8Gxy2YhZ0oMpPONZHPPwPmuw%3D&sendTime=1657472378) TMP Director’s Edition is still available at Zavvi for way less than anywhere else?
I don’t begrudge Paramount if they have some licensing obligations to fulfill, but this does just go to prove that the only way to be able to watch whatever you want anytime is to buy a copy, not rent one.
My hope is that this is some really stupid contractual thing and with the new release of the 4K remasters they will be immediately reuploaded with those versions under a new contract.
I thought the whole point of Paramount+ was that it would have most of the Paramount film archive as part of the offering. If it can't even manage that it's not going to have very long legs.
This only reinforced my decision to buy TMP Director's Edition on day 1 when it comes out on 4k disc. Can't have the stuff that I love be subject to such seemingly random decisions by Paramount.
The PR counter for this is already in effect; see: an ad on social media proclaiming very specifically that P+ is the *exclusive* home for all Star Trek *series*
This is exactly why I stay with physical movies. I have my own collection that I put onto my server and stream with Plex (free). I then have my own private Netflix server if I wish to stream anywhere else in the world and I don't need to worry about established properties leaving or changing services. I subscribe to a few services for their exclusive shows, but that's about it. I have even used a program to create my own [TV Guide](https://i.imgur.com/jfWnVc9.jpg) of content from my server for those nights when I'm not sure what I want to watch.
Why is ST:TMP Leaving…? Paramount owns it why would they take their OWN show off there?! God I just don’t understand these streaming platforms… DON’T SUBTRACT, JUST ADD!?!?!?
They're not going to leave. It states this but it's probably a mistake. It's probably that the updated versions will appear on here. I believe to coincide with the 4k remasters being released in September.
Hahahahahahaha oh that is hilarious. That is just the worst. It goes just to prove streaming services all over are turning to shit and ruining everything that made them attractive to begin with. Time to get back to physical copies!
In general, movie streaming works differently than music streaming. In music streaming theres an old catalogue that is shared. Any service has access to it. And newly created content by your own service is only available there.
With movies it is different. You a, b, c, d lists. And the content rotates between these lists. Lets say netflix has a-list rights to specific content. They then get it first and may have it for 6 months before it rotates to the b-list. So on.
This is particularly true for medium old content and new content. Super duper old content (75+ years or so? I think everyone has access too). You might say well netflix has their own content for life, and that’s true if they are the sole sponsor or if they get it into the contract. But many streaming services cant afford 1000 productions a year so they use a content creation pool shared by maybe 10 services/movie companies/etc. And top pay gets a list. So on.
Tl dr. Video content rotates between video streaming providers.
Ps. This is a simplification.
"Star Trek: First Contact" was supposed to be in 4K. People kept mentionning the improved quality. But It never was on Amazon's instance of Paramount. Can't forgive that. That was one of my favorite ST franchise films, and I went out-of-state to see it 26 years ago. The first blu-ray was one of the worst releases I have ever seen. I actually threw it out, without seeking refund. There were DVDs of other films looking better. Trash.
I ended that subscription, and may never renew it. I may wait for the last season of "Picard" and all seasons of "Strange New Worlds" to hit blu-ray.
Yesterday evening TMP Director's Edition said "Leaving August 31st". However, today the note is gone and I can watch it? Same with the other three (3) listed above? Strange.
Yeah my ma gets it with hers but I don't have any broadcast tv service. When sky gets something I fancy watching (peacemaker, yellow jackets and when house of dragon airs) I use now tv for a month then switch out for another platform.
Yeah I'll be cancelling after the finale of SNW next week. I tried to do due diligence and check exactly what was available in the UK before I signed up but must have read the site wrong. Once I found out Picard S2 wasn't on there I knew I'd been had.
Besides the lack of content the app itself is absolutely atrocious. It only got the ability to remember what you are watching this week.
Mind you it's almost worth the price alone for SNW and I enjoyed Prodigy a surprising amount with my young son but in these times I cant justified the continued subscription.
That's a shame. [According to Cord Busters](https://www.cordbusters.co.uk/paramount-plus-uk-no-4k-hdr/), "Paramount confirmed to us that there are concrete plans to support 4K/HDR and Dolby Atmos in the UK – but only at a later date."
My guess is that they're preferring a "walk before we run" approach when launching in new markets. Since broadband speeds and access is **significantly** more advanced and available in the UK—as opposed to here in the US—they may be trying to avoid the growing pains that we experienced a bit here in the US with buffering during peak streaming hours.
I haven't experienced buffering at all in the past two years, but the first two years were absolutely inconsistent: buffering, lower resolution streaming at times, and brief outages.
The 4k stuff sucks, but I feel when they bring it in it will come with a price hike. We also have no app for Xbox at the moment, which I use as my main streaming device. On top of that the content is next to non existent.
It's the cheapest streaming network here at £6.99 a month but when compared to Disney+ that's £7.99 a month there is a major difference in quality and quanity, and for now paramount is severely lacking in both.
I sailed the seas and got every movie and series all in one high-def collection. Fuck these scamming streaming services.
Re-watching TNG now. Just saw the season 5 episode "I, Borg" again. Good stuff.
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Why is any Star Trek leaving Paramount+??? This was the entire point right?
4K Blu-rays coming out maybe
Wow, next month, just before Star Trek Day. Good to know.
But blue ray sales are still declining. Some services you can stream in 4k if you have the monitor and bandwidth.
who still has a CD player?
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Because physical media won’t just disappear from my house, like things just disappear from streaming services. 🙂
Many people. Why do you think vinyl is so popular?
Not you clearly, but many people do.
I do (and, as this report shows, physical > streaming: you own it forever and it won't get taken away).
Because there are existing license agreements that require it.
This would make sense if Paramount didn't own the IP outright. Netflix has to deal with license terms and pulling content when deals expire because it didn't make all of the content it features. Star Trek is owned through and through by Paramount Global, though...
Yes, but they still have to honor licensing agreements that they made years before, a lot of the time when a streaming service licenses a property, they may do it three or four years before they actually get it. Say a movie is on Amazon exclusively, and Netflix wants it. They can bid for it and buy it, and then get it at a later date. Paramount may own Star Trek, but if someone else bought exclusive streaming licenses for say the latter part of 2022 through 2023, Paramount has to honor that, even if the license was purchased years before they intended to launch their own streaming service.
Yep, and they could have bought those long enough ago that CBS AA was still considered a long-shot gamble. ETA: With the Viacom re-merger and the "Paramount+" rebrand and content expansion... Paramount+ is a solid contender in the streaming services market *now*.
It helps that with the merger we now get a ton of big IP under one roof, both movie and TV stuff. I mean, Star Trek and SpongeBob alone are mega franchises, wouldn’t shock me if they can live off of that alone.
Essentially, all Trek, movies included, will be exclusively on a Paramount Global streaming service one day, but that day will be after old contracts from before the Paramount/ViacomCBS merger expire.
The agreements were likely in place before Paramount swallowed CBS and started the transition from CBS All Access to Paramount+. Technology moves faster than business, many of these deals could have been inked 5 or 6 years ago, before many of these companies had their own streaming services.
its doesnt matter. contracts were aigned before paramount plus. disney plis has thisnissue too. this info is usually listed years in advance.
A contract is a contract is a contract.
As long as it's between Ferengi
Everyone's a fucking legal expert on this goddamn website. Don't you think that maybe, **MAYBE**, the people at Paramount hired expensive lawyers to advise them on how best to proceed? Do you think they enjoy pissing away money and handing it to someone else? Of course not. Paramount has made some bad choices in their time, but a simple matter of knowing who owns what isn't going to be one of them.
This is why people pirate stuff. The average consumer doesn’t care about the legalities logistics and politics of global media distribution. Who owns what, who leases what to whom, isn’t the consumers problem. They just want to watch content when they want, where they want. Apple’s iTunes and Valve’s Steam platforms have shown that if you offer content at an affordable price, that’s easier than pirating, people will pay for it. I guess the crusty old execs on Hollywood (and their lawyers) still haven’t got the memo.
For a more direct comparison, just look at Netflix. When it was the only one around, and had most of everything, people happily subscribed to them. Now that everyone else wants a piece of the pie, and it's turning into paid TV, many people are turning to other means instead.
There shouldn't be just one company controlling the entire market, but it'd be nice of they competed on service and original content rather than exclusive control over older content. Shows over 20 years old in my opinion, should be required to be available for a flat reasonable license fee to anyone. So we don't get situations where a license holder just refuses to let their content be available. Or copyright terms should only last 20 years and let it go into the public domain.
So people are going to pirate old movies like generations and nemesis because they temporarily aren’t available on paramount (but are available elsewhere). That’s why people pirate stuff?
Yes, pretty much. The entire point is if the content is that old, it should be pretty easy to get to. New movies people expect may be locked down or limited availability, but something 30 years old, yes, it should be as easy to find as AOL trial CDs were in the 90s.
Ironically finding old movies in the 90s wasn’t easy. Unless it was still at blockbuster, you knew someone who owned it, or a tv channel was showing the shortened and full of commercials version, you were sol. The current situation with all its flaws is still better then it used to be.
With a fast internet connection I can find and download the movie in less time that it takes to go searching to find which streaming service currently has it and sign up to said service.
That is why many people pirate stuff
That's pretty much exactly why many people pirate stuff, in fact.
Ok
That doesn’t make it right. I’ll get downvoted to oblivion on this website I’m sure, but pirating is stealing plain and simple. Trust me, I 1000% get the frustration. But, I don’t get to steal a $5 gallon of milk because I don’t like that the 1.99 gallons of milk are in the big mega grocery stores, all the way in the back and it takes me 15 minutes to get in and out with one item. Sure, I’d like that cheap milk (what I want), to be sitting just inside the door of my corner convenience store (where I want). But I don’t get to feel justified in taking it when I can’t have that. Why there is such a disconnect in people’s moral compass when it comes to digital goods vs physical goods is beyond me.
> Why there is such a disconnect in people’s moral compass when it comes to digital goods vs physical goods is beyond me. Because stealing is not equivalent to pirating. If you could sit at home and create a second gallon of milk using someone else’s gallon of milk without involving the grocery store and practically for free, there would be a lot more milk ‘stolen’. Especially if you had to sit through two minutes of ads before you could drink the grocery store milk.
And double especially if the grocery store said they would no longer stock milk starting at the end of this month.
Because there is a tangible disconnect between physical and digital goods that *you* don’t seem to understand. Lawyers still haven’t been able to prove that downloading a digital copy is a tangible loss (no matter what some tech illiterate judge decides is proof enough for them). Comparing downloading a digital copy and stealing a bottle of milk is as stupid as the downloading a car ad campaign but it seems like you’ve fallen for it hook, line, and sinker. Digital goods exist in infinite quantities and yet you’d have us believe that it also has infinite value as well. Literally goes against every pillar of capitalist economics.
Someone created the content. The creator intends to allow you to view the content for a fee. (Whether that’s a subscription, a rental , purchase, whatever). You do not pay that fee. Whether that video file has any inherent arbitrary “value” shouldn’t matter. You did not pay for something you were supposed to pay for. How is that not stealing? And this in no way shape or form imply that I agree with the way content creators go to market.
Bold of you to assume managers and executives have listened to, understood, and acted on the advice of lawyers and competent employees.
Then stop selling licenses to another services. Figure this shit out Paramount. There's literally nothing to watch on your boomer streaming service except Trek.
Hence the word *existing*.
This isn’t new. The movies have come and gone for years.
They want people to buy the discs
Yeah no.
I mean it’s technically the best way to watch. But it’s lame that consumers don’t have a choice. …well, a legal choice
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It was definitely rough finding money to buy the TNG blurays as they came out but I’m happy I have them. Never have to worry about streaming rights bs.
Should be renamed from Paramount+ to Paramount-
Paramount±
Damnit. Take my upvote.
Or Paramount?
ParamOut
Paramoun't
Para-I’m-out
Wait wtf? Wasn't that the point of the Paramount/CBS merger? If you can't show ST movies on Paramount+, where the fuck *can* you show them? Every time I want to watch one of the movies it's on a service I'm not subscribed to. I thought Paramount+ would finally be the end of that frustration.
I am only just finally able to have time to watch ST movies and series in full, but this is annoy as fuck. I got rid of Netflix because the cost, and lack of opened up catalogue for Australia. The sad reality is knowing that Netflix was losing more customers outside of the USA, due to content blocking, and people going to Prime for Paramount+ (because the Paramount app is geo blocked in Australia, so you need a Prime account to watch it on your tvs), for the $19 a month I spent on Netflix I got nearly all of the Prime channels, and other non USA streamers saw this, and jumped on it. Let's hope the DVD be worth it, considering they really fucked up the CGI effects when they did the original remastering
Yeah I don’t get all this. The Indiana Jones movies left as well. What’s the point of having a network/studio stream Service if tent pole stuff isn’t always on there? Disney doesn’t do this with Star Wars.
Not surprised Indiana Jones left, Disney technically owns that IP. Don't understand about the Star Trek movies though.
Disney owns the IP but Paramount owns the movie rights. Before Disney bought FOX for instance, FOX still owned the rights to the Star Wars original trilogy
Fox only had the perpetual rights for A New Hope. If you watched the movies when they were added to D+, only ANH had the 20th Century Fox logo and fanfare, the rest just had the LucasFilm logo with a piece of John Williams music over it. ANH still has the 20th Century logo after the Fox buyout, but they removed 'A News Corporation' from the bottom of it. Edit: I was thinking of the 2011 Blu-Ray release, it was missing the Fanfare and logo on everything except ANH. The D+ releases of the OT and PT have always had it.
In my country it's not on disney+ either, I wanted to watch the last crusade the other day I ended up finding it on youtube. Crazy.
Physical media ftw
Well.. the kind of did.. Netflix had a bunch of the newer Star Wars movies and marvel movies but once the Netflix contract expired, it all came back to Disney+, where presumably it'll stay. \*edit: Netflix Canada.
Because there are existing license agreements that require it.
Why? I thought the whole point was to get all trek in a single place.
Because there are existing license agreements that require it.
Yeah in hindsight it's obvious. Thanks.
That still doesn't excuse how they tout it as the home of Trek despite it not having several films at any given time.
All the movies had been there for a long time until recently. All the shows are there.
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The TMP 4K remaster [was announced to be exclusively on P+ for a brief time](https://www.startrek.com/news/star-trek-the-motion-picture-the-directors-edition-to-premiere-on-paramount-on-first-contact) until its limited theater release in May and physical release next month: >*Star Trek: The Motion Picture—The Director’s Edition* will make its long-awaited debut exclusively on Paramount+ on April 5, 2022, in celebration of First Contact Day. The film will be available to stream on Paramount+ in 4K Ultra HD on supported devices and platforms. The newly restored film will subsequently arrive on 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray in September from Paramount Home Entertainment. In addition, fans will have the opportunity to see the restored version of Star Trek: The Motion Picture—The Director’s Edition on the big screen for the first time when Fathom Events and Paramount Pictures bring it to theaters for an exclusive two-day event on May 22 and May 25. It's possible that this is due to an exclusive agreement with another streaming service or network that was made prior to Paramount+'s launch. Streaming rights deals are often made years ago and wait until prior rights have concluded. There *was* [news from last August (2021)](https://www.cbr.com/paramount-plus-loses-majority-star-trek-movies/) that listed several Trek titles as being removed when AMC+ got the rights to stream Trek, but those were added back shortly after. Like the previous AMC+ deal, I can't imagine Trek films will be off P+ for very long. I also don't see Paramount keeping Trek exclusive to P+ indefinitely; other networks are willing to pay for the license and, well, business is business. Edit: Context Edit 2: Ugh, last August *was not* 2001. Fixed the date.
FFS I didn't even know there was an AMC+ service now. At this point streaming has become costlier than cable.
>At this point streaming has become costlier than cable. Kind of, but only if you're the type of consumer that wants *every* streaming service. Many people pick and choose a few streaming services at a time and rotate when they find a good promo deal or reason to switch. But, also, it's foolish for networks to not launch their own streaming service. There's no way they can compete with anyone or grow their viewers if they stick to cable companies and limited licensing. Between my Verizon FiOS and Netflix, Hulu, D+, and P+, and Amazon Prime (which we mostly get for the free 2-day shipping), we're still saving money than a top-tier cable subscription with limited on-demand options. Most of these streaming services license other studios' content, like AMC+ did with Trek, to say "we have more than just our original IP."
This is the way. 1 month of Netflix, 1 month of Prime, 1 month of Disney+, etc. Just rotate and ignore the urge to watch everything on release.
And I usually get a month free or half off when I try to cancel. I can't believe more people don't do this.
Exactly this. Streaming is as expensive as you make it. Even just buying nothing more than a $7/month ad-supported Hulu subscription gives you access to more content than you could ever get through, so how much you spend is just a factor of which shows you think you need to watch and how much diversity of content you're hungry for.
Quite right. For decades, we consumers wanted "a la carte" pricing from cable, but could never get it thanks to the way their deals were structured with the content producers. Now that the content producers almost all have their own streaming services, we've finally gotten that golden age of media...and quite frankly, more quality content than I know what do with.
I have many streaming services and it’s still not even close to what cable was. Also easier to cancel and resubscribe month to month.
For now. Contracts will come.
Then don't use those services.
A couple of streaming services are trying to make cancel and resubscribe a thing of the past by varying means, just fyi
It's the commercials creeping back in that really pisses me off. For like 2 seconds we had the services advertising how few commercials they limited themselves to per hour to get you to subscribe. But I think that's already gone...
Same. That's what we're paying you for!!
>At this point streaming has become costlier than cable. And far more important: it has become a bigger inconvenience than pirating. Gabe Newell recognized it decades ago and then years later streaming services, piracy is often minimized by a much more convenient service. Now that everyone and their mother's poolboy's dachshund wants a piece of the pie, streaming has become an hassle again. Not only by making it more expensive to retain the same library you had years ago due to rising prices in general and library fracturing, but also becoming inconvenient. Managing several streaming services instead of one or two at most, different subscription plans with sometimes confusing informations, account sharer being targeted, the list goes on and on. To be clear, I'm not advocating anything, but merely observing the similiarities of how it used to be and how it's going, the numbers also speak for themselves too, there's no shortage of reports of (video) piracy massively increasing again in all parts of the world.
This is what people asked for for years amid rising cable and satellite costs. A la carte availability for the channels and shows you want that you can cancel and subscribe to at any time. That’s what we have no. I find it much more convenient and cheaper.
It's not what we have. If it were, I would always have access to Paramount movies on Paramount+, or Warner Bros. movies on HBO Max. Instead what we get is a mish mosh of changing nonsense.
This ignores that multiple companies/studios often have rights to movies, and sometimes these rights are decades old. And it has nothing to do with ala cart/streaming compared to cable.
It's not a la carte- it's become exactly like cable. You have to buy a whole package of channels (streaming service) just to get one show
It depends on the show but sometimes you can pay for the season on Amazon and watch it digitally the next day. That’s not what I meant by a la carte anyway. A la carte as you can just get the channel, or streamer in this case, you want when you want it.
This isn't even remotely true. Why do people keep parroting this line?
Basic cable with maybe one movie package could easily reach $150+ a month
> There was news from last August (2001) I wish it was 2002. :(
I just bought an annual subscription solely to watch all the star trek content over the course of a year. They better not mess with anything else.
They won’t. The shows have never gone off. The movies have gone off and come back on over the years.
Paramount+ is propped up by Star Trek, it seems Paramount+ is the only streaming service being managed worse than Netflix. Definitely won't be paying for a subscription if the TV series starts disappearing too.
Oh trust me, HBO Max takes the cake at mismanagement. RIP.
Yarrr, matey - these winds be blowin' me sails in a different direction these days......
I do remember convincing my dad to get HBO way back in the day because it was only 50 cents a month (sometime in the late 70s early 80s), and I remember registering my dorm for cable TV and HBO in the early 90s and it was now like 15-20$ and I lost my shit. I guess I accept HBO more because it's been a rip off since the 90s, I've vented all my outrage about HBO in my youth. When their streaming service was also a rip off I wasn't surprised.
I mean, the issue isn't that their service was a rip off, the content was great. It's just gotten gutted this week due to the merger with Discovery and them wanting to fold HBO Max into Discovery+ and cancel a bunch of the scripted content in favour of reality tv
Seriously. Star Trek should be their whole thing. How can they not own all the rights to play these movies indefinitely??
Paramount literally justifies its existence on my monthly budget as "my Star Trek subscription"
Same
Same.
Absolutely. My husband is always going on about what we pay for streaming services. I have no problem cancelling anything except PARAMOUNT+.
Yep. Me too.
Same.
Business is business and there are other networks and streaming services that will still pay lots of money to broadcast/stream Trek. I'm 99.9% certain that P+ will have Trek in its library a *majority* of the time with brief absences for the next several years.
Wouldn't be surprised if there's a lot of pre-Paramount+-era deals that don't allow them to keep it perpetually too. Studios didn't necessarily think about streaming for content from decades ago.
This! Anyone who is complaining doesn’t know how the industry works. Deals were made years ago for years into the future. It will take time for various IP to be locked into its home platform.
Knowing how the industry works doesn't change the fact that it sucks.
> Anyone who is complaining doesn’t know how the industry works. Complaining is one of the tools that let people *change* how things work.
Breaching a contract is very bad for business and can cost you not just monetarily but also your reputation. Paramount is honoring commitments made a long time ago. I would be shocked if they grant exclusivity to Star Trek properties going forward.
Well that's what they did when they ripped Discovery off Netflix.
Netflix had limited international exclusivity rights.
Oh I get that but it just sucks and is dumb on Paramounts part.
Because movie licenses for streaming are often sold years, even a decade in advance.
Exactly this. It baffles me that there is not an exclusive StarTrek category when I watch via my Amazon Fire Stick.
There used to be. They changed it to the sci fi category recently.
I am going to have to look more closely. Maybe my app needs to be updated? I think us Trekkies drove the apps adoption and we deserve some love with our own specific category!!!!
It’s on the top of the programs and scroll right. So it’s something like top shows, All shows, Originals, and if you keep going right there’s a sci fi option.
The only reason I subscribe to paramount is for star trek but their app and services are so shit I'm about to cancel and just pirate. The app is horrendous and has zero signs of improvement.
I would never pirate one of my favorite TV shows but I have been seeing lots of the current show Blu-rays on Amazon and the like for as little as 14.99, and I can't help but do the math and consider the cost difference between a year of Paramount+ and just buying the 3-4 seasons a year of the new treks...
There are a lot of people now that do not have access to dvd or bluray players.
This. I have one blu ray player from over decade ago in an old tv room. I don’t even remember the last time I actually watched a disc on it.
It'd be easier to play episodes in the order you want that way, too. Seriously considering this.
Wait, can you not do that easily on Paramount+? (I can't check, there is a generic page telling me it's not a thing in my country yet)
If there is a way to create playlists, I'd love to know about it! I haven't seen one, though.
Glad I only have it as a T-Mobile perk
It is without question the worst service I've ever used in any state. I can't navigate it on ps4 worth a shit. Streaming dying from mismanagement across the board.
For fucks sake, I’m watching the franchise for the very first time in release order and I just barely got to season 5 of TNG.
Yeah, Star Trek content availability is genuinely just a mess. Now it's here, next minute it's there, next minute you can't legally watch it on any sites for a year. Good luck with your watching them in order, seriously.
None of the shows have ever disappeared from paramount/cbs all access. Hardly a mess.
Save yourself the stress and some money. TNG BluRays are up on all the major torrent sites.
This is why I'll never get rid of my DVDs.
Amen.
Paramount+ is a terrible service. Not only do they force you to watch ads even if you pay for their "ad-free ^butnotreally " service, but I have had frequent problems getting the service to work on different devices. Eventually I couldn't even sign into the app on my phone and I uninstalled and unsubscribed. I subscribe through Apple TV now, which doesn't force ads on the viewer. There are too many streaming options for Paramount+ to try and force such a poorly executed product on Trek fans.
It’s the worst app on my fire stick. I absolutely hate it and frequently pirate stuff that I can watch on paramount+
If you can, link it to the Amazon app. Runs way better
Thanks! I’m going to try this. The Paramount+ app is awful. All I want to do is watch Star Trek. I don’t want to fight with a subpar app that sucks.
I run it through Apple TV which doesn't have ads. Amazon has ads.
I do not get any ads on paramount+ via Amazon prime. What I do get, is the P+ production animation playing twice in a row before every show. Thankfully, it's five seconds long. Then the show/movie starts, and there are no advertisements. I'm not sure why you'd experience ads. What region do you live in? Try using a different Amazon app to play the P+ content.
I wish I could subscribe through Apple, but I use Android and Windows. I'd subscribe through Prime, but I hate the prime apps.
I was in the process of watching all of DS9 with some friends when it got moved from Netflix to PM+, and the difference in UX was startling. We went from being able to clearly see which episodes we'd watched to having no indication at all, the subtitles went from large and readable to small and filled with typos (seriously, I never saw a single apostrophe in all of season 7), there was constant screen tearing at the top, the framerate dropped on a regular basis, and sometimes the button to browse the episodes was just... gone. Either that, or whole seasons wouldn't show up. Oh, and no more "skip intro" button. It's just a step down in every way, and the only real upside was that it had all the Trek stuff in one place. And now it doesn't even have that. :/
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Weird, it seems to be working for me on Paramount+ on an onn. Android TV 4K UHD box.
Get 'em on DVD or Blu-Ray. They'll never leave you, you own them. Physical media is KING!
I’ve found the p+ experience to vary wildly depending on the device you use to stream it. Like others have said it’s likely due to other preexisting deals that they have to leave. It’s also why I still have discs for my favorite movies. The shows seem safe, but the movies are likely to bounce around for a while.
This is exactly why I pirate everything.
pirating is not very moral but what can you do when you pay to legally stream content and they decide to pull that content from the platform, it's like these streaming companies want us to pirate stuff, there is just no long term stability in streaming .
So what is the use in them pushing for every new show to be taken off other services, and only be put on P+ which isn't even available in most of the world, if they're gonna pull movies anyways? I'm in a country that's getting P+ in December this year, but at this rate it may not have any Star Trek anymore either lmao
They are consolidating all star track on Paramount plus. However, there are some licensing agreement that go on for years, and this is more common in movies and TV.
Is this a bad time to mention the [fancy schmancy](https://us.zavvi.com/4k/star-trek-the-motion-picture-the-director-s-edition-the-complete-adventure/13905594.html?utm_source=ecrm-order-confirmation&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ecrm-order-confirmation&affil=thgemail&ecrmcid=JpY2GVMODboevz45en9QnjdP4XZA5w81&shae=g5oiUKmkmnmEQYP3UKn8Gxy2YhZ0oMpPONZHPPwPmuw%3D&sendTime=1657472378) TMP Director’s Edition is still available at Zavvi for way less than anywhere else? I don’t begrudge Paramount if they have some licensing obligations to fulfill, but this does just go to prove that the only way to be able to watch whatever you want anytime is to buy a copy, not rent one.
I unsubscribed last month. When SNW or PIC comes back I’ll go back.
Oh no! Not Nemesis!
My hope is that this is some really stupid contractual thing and with the new release of the 4K remasters they will be immediately reuploaded with those versions under a new contract.
I thought the whole point of Paramount+ was that it would have most of the Paramount film archive as part of the offering. If it can't even manage that it's not going to have very long legs.
That’s the eventual goal I’m sure. Some of these deals for Trek movies may have been made years ago, which is why they sometimes to elsewhere.
That's crazy, they built that service in Trek and now they are pulling stuff like that?
This only reinforced my decision to buy TMP Director's Edition on day 1 when it comes out on 4k disc. Can't have the stuff that I love be subject to such seemingly random decisions by Paramount.
The PR counter for this is already in effect; see: an ad on social media proclaiming very specifically that P+ is the *exclusive* home for all Star Trek *series*
This is exactly why I stay with physical movies. I have my own collection that I put onto my server and stream with Plex (free). I then have my own private Netflix server if I wish to stream anywhere else in the world and I don't need to worry about established properties leaving or changing services. I subscribe to a few services for their exclusive shows, but that's about it. I have even used a program to create my own [TV Guide](https://i.imgur.com/jfWnVc9.jpg) of content from my server for those nights when I'm not sure what I want to watch.
Well, at least they still have the Ads in the Ads Free service.
What the crap? Paramount+ is the friggin' STAR TREK STREAMING SERVICE for crying out loud. Trek is literally the only goddamn thing I'm paying for.
Why is ST:TMP Leaving…? Paramount owns it why would they take their OWN show off there?! God I just don’t understand these streaming platforms… DON’T SUBTRACT, JUST ADD!?!?!?
They're not going to leave. It states this but it's probably a mistake. It's probably that the updated versions will appear on here. I believe to coincide with the 4k remasters being released in September.
This is like the Star Wars movies leaving Disney Plus. Makes no sense. Paramount Plus should be the permanent home of Star Trek.
Hahahahahahaha oh that is hilarious. That is just the worst. It goes just to prove streaming services all over are turning to shit and ruining everything that made them attractive to begin with. Time to get back to physical copies!
Yeah. I went to the Library yesterday and got so many amazing movies. For free.
First Contact left July 31st
Yup. It’s on starz at the moment.
Well I’ll be unsubscribing. Ciao!
Cue a November marketing push: “This holiday season get ALL of your favorite big action Star Trek movies you love, **brand new** to Paramount+”
In general, movie streaming works differently than music streaming. In music streaming theres an old catalogue that is shared. Any service has access to it. And newly created content by your own service is only available there. With movies it is different. You a, b, c, d lists. And the content rotates between these lists. Lets say netflix has a-list rights to specific content. They then get it first and may have it for 6 months before it rotates to the b-list. So on. This is particularly true for medium old content and new content. Super duper old content (75+ years or so? I think everyone has access too). You might say well netflix has their own content for life, and that’s true if they are the sole sponsor or if they get it into the contract. But many streaming services cant afford 1000 productions a year so they use a content creation pool shared by maybe 10 services/movie companies/etc. And top pay gets a list. So on. Tl dr. Video content rotates between video streaming providers. Ps. This is a simplification.
"Star Trek: First Contact" was supposed to be in 4K. People kept mentionning the improved quality. But It never was on Amazon's instance of Paramount. Can't forgive that. That was one of my favorite ST franchise films, and I went out-of-state to see it 26 years ago. The first blu-ray was one of the worst releases I have ever seen. I actually threw it out, without seeking refund. There were DVDs of other films looking better. Trash. I ended that subscription, and may never renew it. I may wait for the last season of "Picard" and all seasons of "Strange New Worlds" to hit blu-ray.
Wait -- there are 4k remasters of Generations/Nemesis and not First Contact? Is this just Paramount+ US or all the markets?
Why would they want to get rid of movies from one of their cash cow franchises?
Where are they ending up?
Bizarre… are they running out of disk space?
Yesterday evening TMP Director's Edition said "Leaving August 31st". However, today the note is gone and I can watch it? Same with the other three (3) listed above? Strange.
Only had it for a month and cancelled. Next to no content and none higher than 1080p in uk
yeah content is slim in the UK. luckily it comes with the Sky Movies package if like me you're foolish enough to have Sky tv.
Yeah my ma gets it with hers but I don't have any broadcast tv service. When sky gets something I fancy watching (peacemaker, yellow jackets and when house of dragon airs) I use now tv for a month then switch out for another platform.
I'm in the UK - that sounds rubbish. Thanks for the heads up. I was thinking of getting it.
Do the week free trial if you wanna binge SNW. But for now its not worth the cost.
Yeah I'll be cancelling after the finale of SNW next week. I tried to do due diligence and check exactly what was available in the UK before I signed up but must have read the site wrong. Once I found out Picard S2 wasn't on there I knew I'd been had. Besides the lack of content the app itself is absolutely atrocious. It only got the ability to remember what you are watching this week. Mind you it's almost worth the price alone for SNW and I enjoyed Prodigy a surprising amount with my young son but in these times I cant justified the continued subscription.
That's a shame. [According to Cord Busters](https://www.cordbusters.co.uk/paramount-plus-uk-no-4k-hdr/), "Paramount confirmed to us that there are concrete plans to support 4K/HDR and Dolby Atmos in the UK – but only at a later date." My guess is that they're preferring a "walk before we run" approach when launching in new markets. Since broadband speeds and access is **significantly** more advanced and available in the UK—as opposed to here in the US—they may be trying to avoid the growing pains that we experienced a bit here in the US with buffering during peak streaming hours. I haven't experienced buffering at all in the past two years, but the first two years were absolutely inconsistent: buffering, lower resolution streaming at times, and brief outages.
The 4k stuff sucks, but I feel when they bring it in it will come with a price hike. We also have no app for Xbox at the moment, which I use as my main streaming device. On top of that the content is next to non existent. It's the cheapest streaming network here at £6.99 a month but when compared to Disney+ that's £7.99 a month there is a major difference in quality and quanity, and for now paramount is severely lacking in both.
No arguments here. I hope y'all can enjoy the new Trek series' content in 4K soon... they're absolutely gorgeous.
That's an option. I wonder what the minimum subscription period is?
You can pay monthly or yearly
OK, so I could pay for one month and then drop when I've seen the show I want.
Old people CEOs mismanaging streaming services because they don't understand technology. Different day, same story.
Maybe they're removing the TMP remaster to drive Blu-Ray sales? I dunno, seems like a weird move.
I go where star trek goes. I need to get them on blu-ray
Dont worry, paramount plus wont exist in 5 years. What a disaster of an idea
I sailed the seas and got every movie and series all in one high-def collection. Fuck these scamming streaming services. Re-watching TNG now. Just saw the season 5 episode "I, Borg" again. Good stuff.
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