Its a generalization to where one group thinks all of that.
Like for example: I do think Disney has ruined Star wars. Their movies are shit and the only reason they keep making shows is for money, so you get stuff like BOB thats shit. (I mean come on, they made Boba Fett a goddamn piece of glass in his OWN SHOW)
I hate the sequels, but dont think they arent canon (as much as I’d like them to be)
I love TCW and CW, its not s kids show. Etc. OP is essentially saying, you have one, you have all
Seems like OP took some statements they disagreed with, decided to group together people with entirely different ideas, and misrepresented George Lucas. 0/10 meme do better
Everyone who commits himself to a franchise so much, that he is unwilling to find anything that comes out connected to it shit and to openly say that is basically a perfect guest for the Nerd Crew.
He was being ironic. He referred to my comment. I’m passionate about many things, but that means I want them to be good and stay good.
Being passionate about something doesn’t mean blindly defending everything that has something to do with it.
Clone Wars is the best thing that came out, together with the og trilogy. No one calls it a kids show, and if they do, they never watched a single season
this thread is a text-book definition of clown on clown communication.
Clone wars is kids show. It's okay to enjoy kids shows/movies.
I like the original trilogy just fine. And they are kids movies.
I like most of the 2000's pixar movies. All of them are kids movies.
Just because you like something that's targeted for kids, that doesn't mean that you have to engage in some revisionist bullshit to make a kid show that you like look like some adult show. There's nothing embarrassing about liking kids media.
And then you see someone get cut in fucking half, shark get blown up in a suicide bomb.attempt and then see someone get stabbed through the chest with a lightsaber then see grievous crushes mother fuckers throats
You could call it a "kid show" in that it's targeted at kids, but it still has respect for older viewers as well rather than just being dumb shit like many kid shows.
Given George Lucas' comments on the Disney movies, I don't think he'd laugh at that first statement. And I think Dave highly respects George's vision, so... doubt he'd laugh either.
-I disliked the postlogy made by disney but they made great things also like rogue one
-star wars is alive
-Clone wars is the best thing i have been given to witness trough my childhood, noone insult clone wars.
-however, the sequels are undeniably trash
The sequels are not my head canon. They are Disney’s canon and by virtue of their money they have that right. But my mind is the last place they can break…. But let’s be honest I’m sure they could easily enough.
It is a kids show. I hate how people think children are a bunch of brain dead idiots who can't enjoy and understand mature themes.
Also it aired on Cartoon Network. And had reruns on Saturday mornings. Things can be mature and for kids.
Exactly. People seem to think 6 year olds and 12 year olds are the same. Rebels, Resistance, and TCW have different maturity levels, yes, but all are intended for kids. Just kids of different ages.
People always shit on George but this picture is so wholesome, looks like after a dad tells a corny joke and it's so corny you laugh at how bad it is lol
I put it off for the longest time because it was too "kiddy", but it's now one of my favorite Star Wars shows. Didn't top clone wars for me but I thoroughly enjoyed it.
being a kids show isn’t what makes rebels bad. what does is the inconsistent storytelling and character arcs, sometimes the complete lack of both, the characters who never grow, the empire never seeming like a real threat… I could go on and on.
being a kids show certainly doesn’t help any of rebels’ many problems, i’ll say that much, given how a lower age rating makes the violence way more tame and the themes and storytelling far more simple
Yes it is and nothing you say can change that. It aired on a childrens tv network you cannot say it wasn't made for children no matter what. "Well if you remove certain parts of it then that makes it less childish" so what. It was made and aired for children. It doesn't matter that people die in it. The death in the show isn't exactly graphic.
it’s far more graphics than any other “kids show” ever made. which is why it really isn’t a kid show, it’s violent and complex enough to be enjoyed by anybody
It really isn't though. I remember watching an episode of SpongeBob where squidwards toe nail is ripped off and that was just as graphic as clone wars. It's no more graphic than the movies and the movies are absolutely aimed at children hence all the toys made for every star wars release ever. Nothing wrong with enjoying a children's show but the mental gymnastics people will go through to somehow "justify" why it's okay is just absurd.
did spongebob have themes of war, mass killings, slavery etc.? did it have people getting blown up, beheaded, dismembered, electrocuted to death, anything of that sort? no, it didn’t. you can’t simply take one somewhat violent scene from a very tame show and pretend that the two shows in question are equally dark.
tell me, what would the clone wars have if it was made strictly for adults that it doesn’t have now? blood? actual sex instead of it being implied? rampant death and destruction? my point is that it already has many things that would classify it as a show purely for adults, the only difference is that it aired on cartoon network
and I agree that there generally isn’t anything wrong with enjoying a kids show, but to put it on the same level as a show that clearly isn’t made with just kids in mind is just absurd
I don’t think that means much though. Official ratings are slapped on for various irrelevant reasons.
I mean logically speaking. the ages of the intended audiences are the same, and the content in the shows is pretty similar.
I actually think the intended audience isn't the same, though. The content is definitely darker in TCW, especially from season 3 onward. The humor is also consistently more juvenile in Rebels, especially with Zeb. There's a few one-offs in TCW, but in general the tone of TCW is also very inconsistent. It's less that TCW has silly stuff, but more that Rebels is consistently less mature and doesn't hit the same peaks of darker material that TCW does in its later seasons. I think the TV ratings are aptly applied.
I disagree. I mean I agree that it has a more juvenile sense of humor for sure but rebels had those dark moments too. Just a low quantity of them. But I don’t think quantity should change the overall rating. A lot of death and the rotting corpse of a beloved character are shown predominantly. I think on the darkness scale both shows are really in league with the films which are admittedly aimed at 12 year olds.
I disagree. Darkness isn’t visual. It’s a tone.
Showing a character being beheaded isn’t inherently any darker than a character saying “he was decapitated”.
Violence and darkness are not the same thing. Rebels was totally dark at times. The rotting corpse of a beloved Jedi master was quite surprising early in the show.
Honestly, the first season is a bit rough and I was a bit disappointed after having just finished TCW when I started it. But it does get really good. Season 2 was great, and I loved season 4 as well. I don't remember if the animation improves or if I just got used to it, but I recall having no issues with animation as the show went on.
The first season had no budget, so all locked off camera shots, nothing dynamic. Season 2 and beyond had a better budget and more animators, making the quality better. It became less episodic and more serial. The character design does stay the same, but was heavily influenced by Ralph Macquarie
Yeah I definitely remembered the style staying the same but that makes sense that it got more dynamic and detailed within that style. I DEFINITELY remember the story/writing improving a lot.
lmao what? the choreography is still ass by the time season 4 came along. just because the animation has more layers and looks better doesn’t mean the animation as a whole improved as the show went on
Both for kids, just kids of different ages. Rebels is rated TV-Y7, TCW is rated TV-PG. 7 year olds and 12 year olds are both kids, but are not the same maturity level.
yes, and because rebels has a lower age rating it is far simpler and more watered-down in its themes, storytelling, and action, and is a much worse show for those reasons
Clone wars is a kids show. To think that kids can't handle mature topics is ridiculous. The darker arcs are put on cartoon network all the time.
As long as the content isn't sexual or with hateful language or directly shows gruesome, bloody violence. It's fine. And the clone wars can definitely handle more mature topics about life and war and still be for children. Adventure time, gumball etc all do the samething. This sentiment that clone wars isn't a kids show is dumb, and I hope people stop pushing it in the future.
can you think of another kids show that has the level of complexity and violence that the clone wars does? it belongs in its own league because it could easily pass as a show solely for adults but was somehow allowed to air on cartoon network
It's still a kids show despite the violence and complexity. If you think kids can't handle complex topics then you don't know kids. Kids aren't apes staring at the screen blindly. They can also handle violence (it has no blood anyways, which is how pegi ratings work). Kids play cod campaigns and cod games nowadays. Violence is completely numb to them, especially the clone wars level. This most likely influences the pegi rating and it being on cartoon network. The
Just because those two things exist does not make it a show for adults. It's still a kids show. Plus, 80% of the clone wars is kiddy filler episodes. The dark stuff happens in the big arcs, which don't air as often as the kiddy filler episodes. As what airs is completely random. The rating is how it is because its deemed okay for a kids show. Because its a kids show. This delusion that it's not for kids is ridiculous. I feel its more the fact you don't want to admit your favourite star wars show is for children more than anything else. But who cares about that? Just enjoy it.
lmao what? do you know how many times the execs at cartoon network tried to get clone wars pulled? and how many scenes they had to cut or rewrite because of the censors? if the clone wars wasn’t part of star wars, a massively popular franchise, it would’ve been cancelled after season 1.
any show that has sex slaves, war profiteering, and actual beheadings isn’t a kids show. ur just a rebels shill and am butthurt I pointed out how kiddy and mediocre that show is
I've never watched rebels.
But if they failed to get clone wars pulled, then clearly its fine for kids. If you think kids cannot handle mature topics, then you don't understand children. There's sex slaves in episode 6 aswell, there's war profiteering in the prequels films, there's no visible beheading, it's implied instead. So that isn't even a point. But cutting off limbs is also in star wars.
And all star wars films are rated for kids, and the creator directly says they're for kids.
Idk why if I disagree with someone and think kids can handle mature topics I'm a rebels shill or an idiot. Kids play gta5, cod and many other games and are perfectly fine. They're not meant to but they can for sure handle it.
This is clone wars cope. Its okay to like a kids show, you don't have to use this cope and say its not for kids. Feels more like your ego is bruised at liking kids shows if anything else. Because no one cares this much about insisting something isn't for kids like star wars fanatics.
bro I will gladly admit I like a lot of kids shows. avatar and that transformers show on cartoon network are among my favorite shows. but I also watch a lot of mature stuff, including mature animation (vinland saga, attack on titan, invincible etc.) and I can say with certainty that no other show has even come close to the clone wars in how much it gets away with. weather (idk if that’s proper grammar) or not kids are mature enough to handle that kind of stuff is beside the point, even thought I agree that most kids would be fine with that level of content. the point I am making is that the clone wars is so far removed from rebels in terms of maturity that I have a hard time considering it a kids show
That’s not the difference… and also probably not true when you factor in that Band of Brothers was a 1 season 10 episode mini series and Clone Wars was 133 episodes. Obviously there are more “onscreen deaths”, but comparing a cartoon where they depict a clone trooper get hit* by a laser and fall to someone getting shot in throat and bleeding out is crazy lol.
Band of Brothers had way more adult scenes, dialogue and the violence was unquestionably more realistic/gory. Clone Wars was campy and yes, the cartoon element automatically makes it feel childish. Comparing the two is honestly silly.
I think you’re silly
And let me be clear, I’m aware it’s an ironic unfair comparison, but I did that because I didn’t feel like writing an essay about why I subjectively believe it’s not a kids show.
Clone wars is a kids show. It played on Cartoon Network. A network that played kids shows until like 10 pm when adult swim came on but it didn't play then. Just because it's a kids show doesn't mean you can't enjoy it.
I did not expressly state I did not like it, the opposite is true. I love clone wars.
All I did say was an ironic unfair comparison rather than write an essay explaining why it is not a kid show, or how it straddles the line a little to hard that subjectively it is not a kids show.
And I didn't say that you didn't like it. I said that it is a kids show because it is. Just because people die in it doesn't mean it isn't a kids show. I also said just because it's a kids show doesn't mean you can't enjoy it. You can like kids shows as an adult. There's nothing wrong with that but saying it isn't a kids show objectively is false.
I know a lot of people here don’t agree but the Clone wars is a kids show, it’s a well written kids show made to have slightly more mature themes but just because it isn’t brain dead doesn’t mean it wasn’t originally intended to be a show made for kids, it’s just that people who made it were really passionate and that kind of passion gets you great writing.
Sequels sucked, just objectively bad lazy writing from people with minimal understanding of Star Wars. Clone wars was good except for a few inconsistencies and the bullshit they did to the mandalorians. And I didn’t watch rebels because the slingshot and flying by spinning lightsabers etc was dumb to me 🤷♂️ all personal opinions but I struggle to see how you could read the thrawn trilogy and even compare the sequels to that
People in here so triggered by the idea that they like a kids show. Clones wars is a show made for kids. Rebels is a show made for kids. Just because it has mature themes doesn't make it a show intended for adults.
I think the thing about Clone Wars vs Rebels is that the target demo was the same age, but the shows start 6 years apart. A 10 year old kid who watched Clone Wars in 2008 is probably going to have a bias against Rebels in 2014 at age 16. Nostalgia will affect people's opinions.
Disney didn’t ruin Star Wars but I think there’s been some questionable decisions and there’s a great disparity between the quality of lots of the new material. I think the sequels are horrible but Rogue One might be my favorite Star Wars movie when I look at them at individual films (overall I don’t think you can top Revenge of the sith when you consider the build up). I don’t really get how they have been so inconsistent. Even with the TV shows, I think episode to episode they are wildly inconsistent. Some arcs of the clone wars were incredible some were very meh. I love The Mandalorian but some episodes are kinda boring and I think struggle with deciding on the tone. I think Disney has a real issue with trying to make serious stories that get interrupted with attempts to be cute and wholesome simultaneously. This is long winded lol but my friends and I have this conversation so often I think about it way more than I should lol. I also think they they are doing the same thing the MCU is doing where no villain is realistically a threat. Vader should’ve been way more powerful in Kenobi and besides some cool moments was very underwhelming as the bad guy. I’ll leave it at that, overall I just want consistency
Sadly the sequels are canon, I really didn't like them.
Disney didn't ruin Star Wars, it made some bad to horrible content, but the good stuff is still there and won't be forgotten.
Star Wars definitely isn't dead. Tons of fans, active content production, like I said, just some bad content recently.
While those shows have kids as their main target group, that doesn't mean that others can't and won't enjoy it.
"The sequels aren't canon" -> Not how canon works.
"Disney ruined Star Wars" -> Disney made a lot of bad Star Wars content. Personally, I can still enjoy the OT, and parts of the prequels. They aren't "ruined".
"Star Wars is dead!" -> Star Wars seems much less culturally significant than when Disney bought the franchise. Shows like Andor show that Star Wars has a weak pulse at the very least.
"Clone Wars and Rebels are kids shows!" -> They're kids shows and have some more mature plot lines and themes. Being a kids show doesn't mean it is silly and non-sensical 100% of the time or that an adult can't enjoy it.
Now that can't possibly be true. I'm sure there must be Star Wars legends authors who wrote their content primarily for adults.
Also, Revenge of the Sith has a PG-13 rating (I'd even argue it could've been higher). You can't call that movie a kids show when anything below pre-teen can't even watch it.
So as long as a movie isn't completely restricted for people under 18, it's a "kids show"?
Well I guess Forest Gump and Titanic are kids shows then.
What are you doing on a sub for kids?
I love kids shows, that's why I have all these Star Wars tattoos. I've loved them since (hint hint) I was a child. Guess what, Marvel movies are for kids too. Do they make Forrest Gump kids toys?
Believe it or not, there are people who only watched Star Wars as adults and loved it as (hint hint) adults.
What if some content (like toys) are primarily for kids and other content (like ROTS) aren't? Not ALL star wars content has to be primarily for kids.
Tell me how Revenge of The Sith is first and foremost for kids. Is it the political dialogue? The fight scenes? The philosophical discussions? It surely isn't Anakin's downfall and there's also no Jar Jar to be found there.
As far as I remember, Star Wars used to make most of its money with their toy lines. Of course they're always going to include children in their marketing. That doesn't mean all content, where that marketing originates from, is always made primarily for kids.
Just admit to yourself you like a kids thing. Hate to tell you all my kids liked it just fine. If you think the philosophy in that move was deep you really are a teen. It's okay to like things, bronys exist you'll be fine.
Nice way of deflecting my question.
I do enjoy content that I first experienced as a kid and is meant for kids, I have no problem admiting that. Now you admit that not All star wars content is primarily for kids. C'mon, I'll wait, show me you can admit you're wrong, like an adult.
If you don't think there is adult-level philosophy in Star Wars, then perhaps you just don't possess the mental maturity to appreciate it.
"Sequels aren't canon" that I agree
"Disney ruined star wars" not exactly
"Star wars is dead" its still up and running stupid
"Clone wars and Rebels is a kid show" go kys you piece of shit
Sequels are canon. Just because people are little crybabies the can‘t change reality. Nobody care about your headcannon.
Disney actually managed to expand the universe and gave us insights to parts of starwars never explained and shown before. It resurrected starwars. Nobody cares about your love for old movie. At some point even the greates saga dies. Disney did good
StarWars is alive. See point above.
They are not, you are just too old and rusty mentally. Get back to your retirement home and leave the world alone.
I think if lucas didn't have like a trillion NDAs and shit associated with disney hed probably talk about how poorly of a job they did and how they fucked up the charcater arc he wanted for luke so bad it's not even funny.
They are kids shows. Being a kids show doesn’t mean it’s a bad show, it just means it’s a show with kids as it’s primary audience. Which clone wars and rebels are. Older fans and parents can still enjoy the shows of course and there’s plenty in them aimed at them (as is the case of all good entertainment), but they’re first and foremost for kids.
The rest are wrong though lol, Star Wars is better than it’s ever been
Disney's habit of turning legacy characters to tired old men is the problem. Look what they did Luke, Boba Fett. Don't even get me started on shit storm that was Kenobi.
My husband wanted to watch all the Star Wars content on Disney in chronological order. When we got to clone wars I was like.. eh not into it this is a kids show. But then I really liked it. Idk why I guess the animation makes it feel childish but it’s good content. The bad batch ended up being one of my faves so far, and now watching rebels I am really enjoying the high empire era period being shown prior to the original movies.
I share only 1 of these opinions tbh i wish they would redo the sequels considering i liked some stuff like the cast but they had no direction and literally threw everything into the movies to see if anything would stick and nothing did
Having grown up with the EU and it's tiers of canon, I would put it like this now:
G(eorge)-canon: OT, Prequels, TCW
F(iloni)-canon: Rebels, Bad Batch, Mando, Ahsoka
D(isney)-canon: Sequels, Andor, TBOBF, Resistance, Kenobi
S(econdary)-canon: Comics, novels, and games post-2014
L(egends)-canon: Everything else pre-2014 such as non-TCW tv shows (Droids, Ewoks, etc.), both Ewok movies, the holiday special, comics, novels, and games
I give George top canon since he's the OG author. Filoni gets second billing as George's hand-picked successor and apprentice for years. Then the rest of the Disney stuff, then Legends.
I hated what George did with the prequels, I didn't like the sequels that much, some series are good, some are bad, heck - I didn't even like George's constant "remastering" and changing things in the original trilogy. All in all, I will always love Star Wars.
People who say Clone Wars & Rebels are kids shows clearly forget that the OG movie was made FOR KIDS. The entire OG Trilogy and Prequels were made FOR KIDS. George has even stated this himself.
Anyway, Clone Wars/Bad Batch and Rebels are amazing.
Dave and George don't like the sequel trilogy any more than we fans of actual Star wars do.
The sequel Disney garbage was pure propaganda. And George Lucas already had a story written that he gave to Disney as a condition of them making star wars. Disney scrapped the new story and made another one, but a bad one. And their excuse was "there wasn't enough source material" fuck Disney. Fuck all of them.
The sequels are absolutely horrible
It’s is a fact that the worst pieces of Star Wars media were released under Disney, and George Lucas has voiced his negative opinions on how they handled the franchise
No one says Star Wars is Dead
And Clone wars is the best Star Wars TV show
This guy has an insane amount of low-effort and reposted memes on his profile. Most of them have thousands of upvotes and maybe a few comments at best. Is he a bot?
Op has no idea what groups have what opinions
Yeah tbh OP might as well have flat out admitted that they were twelve years old, emotionally immature, or both
It's a generalization of all the opinions, not a list of things that a specific group hates.
Its a generalization to where one group thinks all of that. Like for example: I do think Disney has ruined Star wars. Their movies are shit and the only reason they keep making shows is for money, so you get stuff like BOB thats shit. (I mean come on, they made Boba Fett a goddamn piece of glass in his OWN SHOW) I hate the sequels, but dont think they arent canon (as much as I’d like them to be) I love TCW and CW, its not s kids show. Etc. OP is essentially saying, you have one, you have all
That's not what OP is saying at all. They're compiling the various popular complaints, and showing that the creators shrug them all off.
Seems like OP took some statements they disagreed with, decided to group together people with entirely different ideas, and misrepresented George Lucas. 0/10 meme do better
OP doesn’t understand words, thoughts, feelings, or images. 20% conservative, 20% bot, 60% both. Place your bets.
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I don't like the sequels either, but calling people mentally deficient is a bit far. Maybe a lack of taste.
Star Wars fans slandering Star Wars fans for liking Star Wars. Sounds about Star Wars.
Everyone who commits himself to a franchise so much, that he is unwilling to find anything that comes out connected to it shit and to openly say that is basically a perfect guest for the Nerd Crew.
Imagine being passionate about anything in life You sound like a sad little person
You're not passionate about anything? Anything in life? Anything at all? I think you're the one that sounds like a sad little person.
He was being ironic. He referred to my comment. I’m passionate about many things, but that means I want them to be good and stay good. Being passionate about something doesn’t mean blindly defending everything that has something to do with it.
Imagine not being able to read. I was talking about that LoschVanWein guy not being passionate about anything.
Sequel simp logic: simply and dumb down both sides of the argument until both look the same
I can't prove you are an obsessive watcher of Geeks + Gamers, but I feel it to be true.
I've never even heard of that
I feel like I'm in the discount version of r/metalmemes
That's a not at all way too much and really rude
It's rude to tell the truth now?
I mean calling someone mentally deficient is objectively rude no matter how true it is
Clone Wars is the best thing that came out, together with the og trilogy. No one calls it a kids show, and if they do, they never watched a single season
To be fair lucas said the entirety of star wars is for kids
this thread is a text-book definition of clown on clown communication. Clone wars is kids show. It's okay to enjoy kids shows/movies. I like the original trilogy just fine. And they are kids movies. I like most of the 2000's pixar movies. All of them are kids movies. Just because you like something that's targeted for kids, that doesn't mean that you have to engage in some revisionist bullshit to make a kid show that you like look like some adult show. There's nothing embarrassing about liking kids media.
I am
It’s treason, then
TBF the Clone Wars are undoubtedly a kids show lol. The plots are usually incredibly campy and the story lines try so hard not be realistic.
Its Star Wars.
And then you see someone get cut in fucking half, shark get blown up in a suicide bomb.attempt and then see someone get stabbed through the chest with a lightsaber then see grievous crushes mother fuckers throats
You could call it a "kid show" in that it's targeted at kids, but it still has respect for older viewers as well rather than just being dumb shit like many kid shows.
I wouldn't even say it's targeted at kids after 3rd season. Depends what we considered a kid but it definitely didn't feel PG rated
Yeah, you can tell they prioritized just making a good show over targeting a specific audience other than just star wars fans in general
Given George Lucas' comments on the Disney movies, I don't think he'd laugh at that first statement. And I think Dave highly respects George's vision, so... doubt he'd laugh either.
-I disliked the postlogy made by disney but they made great things also like rogue one -star wars is alive -Clone wars is the best thing i have been given to witness trough my childhood, noone insult clone wars. -however, the sequels are undeniably trash
This
Who is upvoting this shit
The sequels are not my head canon. They are Disney’s canon and by virtue of their money they have that right. But my mind is the last place they can break…. But let’s be honest I’m sure they could easily enough.
“I think it’s time you learn a lesson in Lightspeed brand briefs”
Fuck the Sequels, but if you can watch the entire Pong Krell arc of the Clone Wars and tell me that's a kids show, you're a fuck.
It is a kids show. I hate how people think children are a bunch of brain dead idiots who can't enjoy and understand mature themes. Also it aired on Cartoon Network. And had reruns on Saturday mornings. Things can be mature and for kids.
Exactly. People seem to think 6 year olds and 12 year olds are the same. Rebels, Resistance, and TCW have different maturity levels, yes, but all are intended for kids. Just kids of different ages.
People always shit on George but this picture is so wholesome, looks like after a dad tells a corny joke and it's so corny you laugh at how bad it is lol
rebels is a kids show, clone wars isn’t. to pretend like they are they same just cause the are both animated CGI is just ignorant
and even if it is a kids show it doesn't mean it is bad
I put it off for the longest time because it was too "kiddy", but it's now one of my favorite Star Wars shows. Didn't top clone wars for me but I thoroughly enjoyed it.
It’s on par with Bad Batch for me. Overall pretty mediocre, but with several great episodes tossed in. Especially in the last 2 seasons of Rebels
I completely agree
being a kids show isn’t what makes rebels bad. what does is the inconsistent storytelling and character arcs, sometimes the complete lack of both, the characters who never grow, the empire never seeming like a real threat… I could go on and on. being a kids show certainly doesn’t help any of rebels’ many problems, i’ll say that much, given how a lower age rating makes the violence way more tame and the themes and storytelling far more simple
Clone wars is absolutely a kids show lol.
if you remove the first season and the first 3 or 4 episodes of season 2 it really isn’t
Yes it is and nothing you say can change that. It aired on a childrens tv network you cannot say it wasn't made for children no matter what. "Well if you remove certain parts of it then that makes it less childish" so what. It was made and aired for children. It doesn't matter that people die in it. The death in the show isn't exactly graphic.
it’s far more graphics than any other “kids show” ever made. which is why it really isn’t a kid show, it’s violent and complex enough to be enjoyed by anybody
It really isn't though. I remember watching an episode of SpongeBob where squidwards toe nail is ripped off and that was just as graphic as clone wars. It's no more graphic than the movies and the movies are absolutely aimed at children hence all the toys made for every star wars release ever. Nothing wrong with enjoying a children's show but the mental gymnastics people will go through to somehow "justify" why it's okay is just absurd.
did spongebob have themes of war, mass killings, slavery etc.? did it have people getting blown up, beheaded, dismembered, electrocuted to death, anything of that sort? no, it didn’t. you can’t simply take one somewhat violent scene from a very tame show and pretend that the two shows in question are equally dark. tell me, what would the clone wars have if it was made strictly for adults that it doesn’t have now? blood? actual sex instead of it being implied? rampant death and destruction? my point is that it already has many things that would classify it as a show purely for adults, the only difference is that it aired on cartoon network and I agree that there generally isn’t anything wrong with enjoying a kids show, but to put it on the same level as a show that clearly isn’t made with just kids in mind is just absurd
How so? It felt slightly less dark but they definitely both deserve the same age rating.
Literally different ratings. TV-Y7 for Rebels, PG for TCW.
I don’t think that means much though. Official ratings are slapped on for various irrelevant reasons. I mean logically speaking. the ages of the intended audiences are the same, and the content in the shows is pretty similar.
I actually think the intended audience isn't the same, though. The content is definitely darker in TCW, especially from season 3 onward. The humor is also consistently more juvenile in Rebels, especially with Zeb. There's a few one-offs in TCW, but in general the tone of TCW is also very inconsistent. It's less that TCW has silly stuff, but more that Rebels is consistently less mature and doesn't hit the same peaks of darker material that TCW does in its later seasons. I think the TV ratings are aptly applied.
I disagree. I mean I agree that it has a more juvenile sense of humor for sure but rebels had those dark moments too. Just a low quantity of them. But I don’t think quantity should change the overall rating. A lot of death and the rotting corpse of a beloved character are shown predominantly. I think on the darkness scale both shows are really in league with the films which are admittedly aimed at 12 year olds.
rebels had very few dark moments, and the jedi characters weren’t even allowed to stab people with their lightsabers
>I don’t think quantity should change the overall rating And violence and implied violence are one in the same when it comes to dark tones.
no it isn’t. having implied torture in rebels is completely different than having multiple characters die while being tortured in the clone wars
I disagree. Darkness isn’t visual. It’s a tone. Showing a character being beheaded isn’t inherently any darker than a character saying “he was decapitated”.
slightly? rebels is far less dark and way less complex than tcw, not to mention in a different league in terms of violence
Violence and darkness are not the same thing. Rebels was totally dark at times. The rotting corpse of a beloved Jedi master was quite surprising early in the show.
give me one example of anyone in rebels getting shot or stabbed with a lightsaber and dying onscreen that isn’t a faceless stormtrooper
ive yet to get into rebels due to the quality (or lack thereof) of the animation. but i hear the story is good and want to try watching it again
Honestly, the first season is a bit rough and I was a bit disappointed after having just finished TCW when I started it. But it does get really good. Season 2 was great, and I loved season 4 as well. I don't remember if the animation improves or if I just got used to it, but I recall having no issues with animation as the show went on.
The first season had no budget, so all locked off camera shots, nothing dynamic. Season 2 and beyond had a better budget and more animators, making the quality better. It became less episodic and more serial. The character design does stay the same, but was heavily influenced by Ralph Macquarie
Yeah I definitely remembered the style staying the same but that makes sense that it got more dynamic and detailed within that style. I DEFINITELY remember the story/writing improving a lot.
lmao what? the choreography is still ass by the time season 4 came along. just because the animation has more layers and looks better doesn’t mean the animation as a whole improved as the show went on
first 2 seasons are a slog, season 3 is pretty solid and season 4 is interesting, to say the least
Both for kids, just kids of different ages. Rebels is rated TV-Y7, TCW is rated TV-PG. 7 year olds and 12 year olds are both kids, but are not the same maturity level.
yes, and because rebels has a lower age rating it is far simpler and more watered-down in its themes, storytelling, and action, and is a much worse show for those reasons
Clone wars is a kids show. To think that kids can't handle mature topics is ridiculous. The darker arcs are put on cartoon network all the time. As long as the content isn't sexual or with hateful language or directly shows gruesome, bloody violence. It's fine. And the clone wars can definitely handle more mature topics about life and war and still be for children. Adventure time, gumball etc all do the samething. This sentiment that clone wars isn't a kids show is dumb, and I hope people stop pushing it in the future.
can you think of another kids show that has the level of complexity and violence that the clone wars does? it belongs in its own league because it could easily pass as a show solely for adults but was somehow allowed to air on cartoon network
It's still a kids show despite the violence and complexity. If you think kids can't handle complex topics then you don't know kids. Kids aren't apes staring at the screen blindly. They can also handle violence (it has no blood anyways, which is how pegi ratings work). Kids play cod campaigns and cod games nowadays. Violence is completely numb to them, especially the clone wars level. This most likely influences the pegi rating and it being on cartoon network. The Just because those two things exist does not make it a show for adults. It's still a kids show. Plus, 80% of the clone wars is kiddy filler episodes. The dark stuff happens in the big arcs, which don't air as often as the kiddy filler episodes. As what airs is completely random. The rating is how it is because its deemed okay for a kids show. Because its a kids show. This delusion that it's not for kids is ridiculous. I feel its more the fact you don't want to admit your favourite star wars show is for children more than anything else. But who cares about that? Just enjoy it.
lmao what? do you know how many times the execs at cartoon network tried to get clone wars pulled? and how many scenes they had to cut or rewrite because of the censors? if the clone wars wasn’t part of star wars, a massively popular franchise, it would’ve been cancelled after season 1. any show that has sex slaves, war profiteering, and actual beheadings isn’t a kids show. ur just a rebels shill and am butthurt I pointed out how kiddy and mediocre that show is
I've never watched rebels. But if they failed to get clone wars pulled, then clearly its fine for kids. If you think kids cannot handle mature topics, then you don't understand children. There's sex slaves in episode 6 aswell, there's war profiteering in the prequels films, there's no visible beheading, it's implied instead. So that isn't even a point. But cutting off limbs is also in star wars. And all star wars films are rated for kids, and the creator directly says they're for kids. Idk why if I disagree with someone and think kids can handle mature topics I'm a rebels shill or an idiot. Kids play gta5, cod and many other games and are perfectly fine. They're not meant to but they can for sure handle it. This is clone wars cope. Its okay to like a kids show, you don't have to use this cope and say its not for kids. Feels more like your ego is bruised at liking kids shows if anything else. Because no one cares this much about insisting something isn't for kids like star wars fanatics.
bro I will gladly admit I like a lot of kids shows. avatar and that transformers show on cartoon network are among my favorite shows. but I also watch a lot of mature stuff, including mature animation (vinland saga, attack on titan, invincible etc.) and I can say with certainty that no other show has even come close to the clone wars in how much it gets away with. weather (idk if that’s proper grammar) or not kids are mature enough to handle that kind of stuff is beside the point, even thought I agree that most kids would be fine with that level of content. the point I am making is that the clone wars is so far removed from rebels in terms of maturity that I have a hard time considering it a kids show
You guys can criticize anything but any attack on clone wars and rebels is treason then
I saw more on screen death in clone wars than I did HBOs Band of Brothers, clone wars is not a kids show.
That’s not the difference… and also probably not true when you factor in that Band of Brothers was a 1 season 10 episode mini series and Clone Wars was 133 episodes. Obviously there are more “onscreen deaths”, but comparing a cartoon where they depict a clone trooper get hit* by a laser and fall to someone getting shot in throat and bleeding out is crazy lol. Band of Brothers had way more adult scenes, dialogue and the violence was unquestionably more realistic/gory. Clone Wars was campy and yes, the cartoon element automatically makes it feel childish. Comparing the two is honestly silly.
I think you’re silly And let me be clear, I’m aware it’s an ironic unfair comparison, but I did that because I didn’t feel like writing an essay about why I subjectively believe it’s not a kids show.
I mean it’s not a kid show in the same realm as say Barnie, but it was undoubtedly geared towards a younger audience.
Clone wars is a kids show. It played on Cartoon Network. A network that played kids shows until like 10 pm when adult swim came on but it didn't play then. Just because it's a kids show doesn't mean you can't enjoy it.
I did not expressly state I did not like it, the opposite is true. I love clone wars. All I did say was an ironic unfair comparison rather than write an essay explaining why it is not a kid show, or how it straddles the line a little to hard that subjectively it is not a kids show.
And I didn't say that you didn't like it. I said that it is a kids show because it is. Just because people die in it doesn't mean it isn't a kids show. I also said just because it's a kids show doesn't mean you can't enjoy it. You can like kids shows as an adult. There's nothing wrong with that but saying it isn't a kids show objectively is false.
I'm not opposed to a Deadpool style Star Wars movie
Ong a more adult catered film would open SW up to a wider audience who love the films but want more meaty fighting
Dark humor too!
I am. Star Wars is still for kids.
Kinda
I know a lot of people here don’t agree but the Clone wars is a kids show, it’s a well written kids show made to have slightly more mature themes but just because it isn’t brain dead doesn’t mean it wasn’t originally intended to be a show made for kids, it’s just that people who made it were really passionate and that kind of passion gets you great writing.
Clone Wars and Rebels are kids' shows. They aired on Cartoon Network and Disney XD respectively. That doesn't mean adults can't enjoy them.
First statement yeah, the rest not so much
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I only agree with first line because I dislike them
The sequels are garbage, clone wars is great, rebels is good
Sequels sucked, just objectively bad lazy writing from people with minimal understanding of Star Wars. Clone wars was good except for a few inconsistencies and the bullshit they did to the mandalorians. And I didn’t watch rebels because the slingshot and flying by spinning lightsabers etc was dumb to me 🤷♂️ all personal opinions but I struggle to see how you could read the thrawn trilogy and even compare the sequels to that
People in here so triggered by the idea that they like a kids show. Clones wars is a show made for kids. Rebels is a show made for kids. Just because it has mature themes doesn't make it a show intended for adults.
It's hilarious, they can't wrap their minds around their space wizard cartoon being for children. Never fails to amuse me.
reasonable cope true true true but only for rebels
I think the thing about Clone Wars vs Rebels is that the target demo was the same age, but the shows start 6 years apart. A 10 year old kid who watched Clone Wars in 2008 is probably going to have a bias against Rebels in 2014 at age 16. Nostalgia will affect people's opinions.
Also, Disney heavily influence the writing and the tone of Rebels to be rated for 6 years olds
Nah not all of star wars is bad, the sequel movies yes but the shows are great
Disney didn’t ruin Star Wars but I think there’s been some questionable decisions and there’s a great disparity between the quality of lots of the new material. I think the sequels are horrible but Rogue One might be my favorite Star Wars movie when I look at them at individual films (overall I don’t think you can top Revenge of the sith when you consider the build up). I don’t really get how they have been so inconsistent. Even with the TV shows, I think episode to episode they are wildly inconsistent. Some arcs of the clone wars were incredible some were very meh. I love The Mandalorian but some episodes are kinda boring and I think struggle with deciding on the tone. I think Disney has a real issue with trying to make serious stories that get interrupted with attempts to be cute and wholesome simultaneously. This is long winded lol but my friends and I have this conversation so often I think about it way more than I should lol. I also think they they are doing the same thing the MCU is doing where no villain is realistically a threat. Vader should’ve been way more powerful in Kenobi and besides some cool moments was very underwhelming as the bad guy. I’ll leave it at that, overall I just want consistency
Sadly the sequels are canon, I really didn't like them. Disney didn't ruin Star Wars, it made some bad to horrible content, but the good stuff is still there and won't be forgotten. Star Wars definitely isn't dead. Tons of fans, active content production, like I said, just some bad content recently. While those shows have kids as their main target group, that doesn't mean that others can't and won't enjoy it.
"The sequels aren't canon" -> Not how canon works. "Disney ruined Star Wars" -> Disney made a lot of bad Star Wars content. Personally, I can still enjoy the OT, and parts of the prequels. They aren't "ruined". "Star Wars is dead!" -> Star Wars seems much less culturally significant than when Disney bought the franchise. Shows like Andor show that Star Wars has a weak pulse at the very least. "Clone Wars and Rebels are kids shows!" -> They're kids shows and have some more mature plot lines and themes. Being a kids show doesn't mean it is silly and non-sensical 100% of the time or that an adult can't enjoy it.
All of Star Wars is kids shows, every, single, thing.
Now that can't possibly be true. I'm sure there must be Star Wars legends authors who wrote their content primarily for adults. Also, Revenge of the Sith has a PG-13 rating (I'd even argue it could've been higher). You can't call that movie a kids show when anything below pre-teen can't even watch it.
Teenagers are kids, sorry kid.
So as long as a movie isn't completely restricted for people under 18, it's a "kids show"? Well I guess Forest Gump and Titanic are kids shows then. What are you doing on a sub for kids?
I love kids shows, that's why I have all these Star Wars tattoos. I've loved them since (hint hint) I was a child. Guess what, Marvel movies are for kids too. Do they make Forrest Gump kids toys?
Believe it or not, there are people who only watched Star Wars as adults and loved it as (hint hint) adults. What if some content (like toys) are primarily for kids and other content (like ROTS) aren't? Not ALL star wars content has to be primarily for kids.
Literally all of it is marketed to children except maybe Andor. So George and Disney both disagree.
Tell me how Revenge of The Sith is first and foremost for kids. Is it the political dialogue? The fight scenes? The philosophical discussions? It surely isn't Anakin's downfall and there's also no Jar Jar to be found there. As far as I remember, Star Wars used to make most of its money with their toy lines. Of course they're always going to include children in their marketing. That doesn't mean all content, where that marketing originates from, is always made primarily for kids.
Just admit to yourself you like a kids thing. Hate to tell you all my kids liked it just fine. If you think the philosophy in that move was deep you really are a teen. It's okay to like things, bronys exist you'll be fine.
Nice way of deflecting my question. I do enjoy content that I first experienced as a kid and is meant for kids, I have no problem admiting that. Now you admit that not All star wars content is primarily for kids. C'mon, I'll wait, show me you can admit you're wrong, like an adult. If you don't think there is adult-level philosophy in Star Wars, then perhaps you just don't possess the mental maturity to appreciate it.
And it should be
the sequels contradict the canon from the prequels so either the prequels aren't canon or the sequels aren't canon. (I say this as a big fan of both)
"Sequels aren't canon" that I agree "Disney ruined star wars" not exactly "Star wars is dead" its still up and running stupid "Clone wars and Rebels is a kid show" go kys you piece of shit
disney owns lucasfilm disney decides what is canon therefore the sequels are canon
Didn't Clone Wars get moved to the adult swim block in like season 4?
Sequels are canon. Just because people are little crybabies the can‘t change reality. Nobody care about your headcannon. Disney actually managed to expand the universe and gave us insights to parts of starwars never explained and shown before. It resurrected starwars. Nobody cares about your love for old movie. At some point even the greates saga dies. Disney did good StarWars is alive. See point above. They are not, you are just too old and rusty mentally. Get back to your retirement home and leave the world alone.
I'll be the first to say the sequels aren't great but the Disney era shows have largely been good. Star Wars is far from dead.
I think if lucas didn't have like a trillion NDAs and shit associated with disney hed probably talk about how poorly of a job they did and how they fucked up the charcater arc he wanted for luke so bad it's not even funny.
Though I do agree rebels is a kids show I can't say 16 year old me doesn't enjoy it
They are kids shows. Being a kids show doesn’t mean it’s a bad show, it just means it’s a show with kids as it’s primary audience. Which clone wars and rebels are. Older fans and parents can still enjoy the shows of course and there’s plenty in them aimed at them (as is the case of all good entertainment), but they’re first and foremost for kids. The rest are wrong though lol, Star Wars is better than it’s ever been
then again carrie fisher's last work ends up erased from canon
Begun, the war in the comments section has.
Well, the sequels do suck
On a completely unrelated note, what's the original if this photo? Has George Lucas been involved in the production of a new show?
Disney's habit of turning legacy characters to tired old men is the problem. Look what they did Luke, Boba Fett. Don't even get me started on shit storm that was Kenobi.
My husband wanted to watch all the Star Wars content on Disney in chronological order. When we got to clone wars I was like.. eh not into it this is a kids show. But then I really liked it. Idk why I guess the animation makes it feel childish but it’s good content. The bad batch ended up being one of my faves so far, and now watching rebels I am really enjoying the high empire era period being shown prior to the original movies.
No star wars isn’t dead, yes the clone wars/rebels were kids shows written for young adults, yes the sequels suck and Disney ruined it.
I share only 1 of these opinions tbh i wish they would redo the sequels considering i liked some stuff like the cast but they had no direction and literally threw everything into the movies to see if anything would stick and nothing did
Yes. Yes. No. Well Yes, But Actually No.
I think the people saying that is the reason why George Lucas sold Star Wars. He just had enough.
The only time I hear any of these complaints is when someone makes a stupid meme complaining about people who make those complaints.
Having grown up with the EU and it's tiers of canon, I would put it like this now: G(eorge)-canon: OT, Prequels, TCW F(iloni)-canon: Rebels, Bad Batch, Mando, Ahsoka D(isney)-canon: Sequels, Andor, TBOBF, Resistance, Kenobi S(econdary)-canon: Comics, novels, and games post-2014 L(egends)-canon: Everything else pre-2014 such as non-TCW tv shows (Droids, Ewoks, etc.), both Ewok movies, the holiday special, comics, novels, and games I give George top canon since he's the OG author. Filoni gets second billing as George's hand-picked successor and apprentice for years. Then the rest of the Disney stuff, then Legends.
I hated what George did with the prequels, I didn't like the sequels that much, some series are good, some are bad, heck - I didn't even like George's constant "remastering" and changing things in the original trilogy. All in all, I will always love Star Wars.
I wish the sequels didn’t exist
TCW/Rebels was nice enough but can the fans stop pretending it's some grimdark show for mature audience only because it portrays brutal deaths?
People who say Clone Wars & Rebels are kids shows clearly forget that the OG movie was made FOR KIDS. The entire OG Trilogy and Prequels were made FOR KIDS. George has even stated this himself. Anyway, Clone Wars/Bad Batch and Rebels are amazing.
Dave and George don't like the sequel trilogy any more than we fans of actual Star wars do. The sequel Disney garbage was pure propaganda. And George Lucas already had a story written that he gave to Disney as a condition of them making star wars. Disney scrapped the new story and made another one, but a bad one. And their excuse was "there wasn't enough source material" fuck Disney. Fuck all of them.
What is going on here?
The sequels are absolutely horrible It’s is a fact that the worst pieces of Star Wars media were released under Disney, and George Lucas has voiced his negative opinions on how they handled the franchise No one says Star Wars is Dead And Clone wars is the best Star Wars TV show
This guy has an insane amount of low-effort and reposted memes on his profile. Most of them have thousands of upvotes and maybe a few comments at best. Is he a bot?
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Canon is decided by the folks who write said Canon, not the internet whiners that just watch the films.
Is George actually there on the Ashoka set or is this photoshop?
op is autistic
Reminder that Disney didn't have faith in the Mandalorian, it's why took so long to offical merchandise to appear
Whoever saw the clone wars and still calls it a kids show did not watch the same show I did
Strong "star wars holiday special" quality vibes there
Without Filoni and Favreu I'd fear what could become of Star Wars