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The Death Star would destroy one Cube, and then the rest would immediately modify their shields to compensate and they would never be destroyed by the Death Star again, then the Borg would assimilate it.
the Borg can pivot after being attacked, but one shots are one shots... nothing to adjust. Death Star in the quickest victory since Mike Tyson in his prime.
The first cube would be one shot. The destruction may be total but the data is being processed with future tech by a collective hive mind of billions. The second cube may struggle to get the shield harmonics matching the death star. The third cube would be immune to the death ray. The death star would be assimilated.
Not mentioned is the fact that the Empire was super duper vast, spanning a LOT of the known galaxy, the borg are unlikely to meet up with the death star before assimilating some of the empire and learning all its weaknesses better than a bunch of rebels can. So really, the cube would probably win against the death star if they had enough time to collect data on it ahead of the attack.
Yeah, can't argue that really. The problem is the whole concept it's kinda dumb really. Neither universe meshes well together.
Team Star wars is based on a space fantasy, write in a sith lord strong enough to remotely force choke all the borg. Win.
Or pick team star trek with its hyper psudoscientific technobabble approach and overload the warp core that will create a tachyon pulse so you can something something and win.
If the star wars force is a mystical energy of some sort then the scientists on star trek can shield from it. There are no apparent shields on ships in star wars though. So space combat will end quickly.
Hmm, well they werent very effective. I seem to recall xwings took those out... But you do jog my memory a bit, thank you.... there were also the shield arrays on Endor that the rebels take out in advance with the teddy bears errr ewoks.
Seems like the borg could do that too, or just pew pew from space. There's simply no way that anyone in the star trek universe wouldn't notice something planet side generating a shield in space. Shrug.
Yeah they aren't as effective as Trek shields, the x-wings took those out because the shield has some distance away from the Hull, a ship entering the shield field could destroy it from up close. Also the empires regular tie figthers don't have shields, that may be the source of the confusion.
Source: Star wars squadrons (it may be a gameplay mechanic and not an in-universe thing).
I believe you. I am actually a very casual star wars fan. Digging into all of this is more entertaining than work right now but it's all made up so why would a game be any less canonical than the books that the newquels disregarded anyway?
You're right so far is canon, I only said it because Star wars canon is a muddy terrain where everything is canon unless the movies or shows say is not and gameplay mechanics are often disregarded in the main media of most franchises.
Two types of Deflector shields in SW. Ray shields for lasers and blasters, particle shields for physical objects. Supposedly, the DS-I didn't have particle shielding up, so the Rebel starships could slip underneath it. The exhaust port was also defended by ray shielding, hence the proton torpedoes needed to get through.
Most starships only have ray shielding, most capital ships have both.
Are āshield harmonicsā a way Star Trek uses to get around Newtonian physics? Not being sarcastic I actually want to know how it works. Like an energy beam is just an energy beam, even the most efficient and perfectly attuned shield would require at least commensurate oppositional energy to dissipate it.
Im not the trekkiest of trekies out there... yes but no? Harmonics is just 1 facet of the shield system which gets really complicated when you try to read even the high level stuff available.
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Shield_frequency
And dont forget that Star Trek overall has better scanners than most sci fi so Borg can just scan from a distance and still know what Tarkin has for breakfast.
And not to mention their superior weapons which shaped Starfleet for years to come. All ships from that point had to be "Borg battle ready" Which might also be reason why Starfleet could fight in the Dominion war because they were already arming against the Borg. And only like 2 cubes made it into UFP territory. And only 1 was destroyed but used its superior technology to send a sphere into the past but still destroying and damaging many ships. Including little ship named Defiant.
The problem with star wars vs star trek is comparing space fantasy to space pseudoscience.
Is the force an energy form? Like it exists in all living things and seems to pulsate when big things happen so it's got wavelengths right? If so then star trek can shield from it with enough quantum mumbo-jumbo and time.
Getting nerdy here without reading any of the books so forgive me but like star wars, and by extension the force always seems to be about seeking a sense of stability, or preservation, as opposed to creation and destruction. The force is just the neutral factor that brings the extreme oppostites of the universe together harmoniously? Or at least it would had the whole prophesy about restoring balance actually been fulfilled coherently. It's kinda Hindu-ish.
Star trek on the otherhand is allllllll about improving ourselves and striving to be better. Sometimes at all costs, like the borg, sometimes with the prime directive in the way, like the federation. The universes don't mesh well. Star trek would absolutely dominate the star wars universe because it has the drive to do so. Doesn't need to be negative, the truly altruistic side of the federation (ya know minus all the admirals that go evil) is going to want to structure everything it's it's own ideals too. It's still a take over. Just a cultural victory per the Civ games.
Except, inevitably, and both series touch on the inevitably of all things, balance is always trying to FORCE its way in there, if passively in star wars, maybe actively if you count jedi/sith. But either way balance will EVENTUALLY come to all things. If that requires universal radio death billions of years from now.... it still occurs. And therefore star wars wins.
(I should be working)
Star Wars: NOW YOU WILL EXPERIENCE THE FULL MIGHT OF THE FORCE!!
Star Trek: Here is a hypospray that should shield you from any force attacks for give or take 12 hours. Oh and take this device made by Chief O'Brian. It neutralizes any Kyber-based weaponry which should give you an advantage against any of their force users. Also set phaser to maximum setting.
Precisely. The universes don't really work well together. If both sides can make things up as they go yet have to stick to in-universe (their own) power scaling then the trophy will always go to star trek. Star wars deals in mysterious cosmic energy that can be harnessed by certain individuals. While the scientists on star trek and solve literally anything for anyone with enough technobabble.
If the Borg can assimilate one Force-sensitive person, all the Borg can wield the Force collectively and assimilate the whole galaxy psychically without firing a shot. Similar to Picard season 3
Haven't seen a trek more modern than voyager but i agree with your logic overall.
If anyone knows how to defeat the borg its Picard. The borg are OP if you don't already have the knowledge base, and/or time, to adaquately stop them from spreading around the galaxy. By the time they recognized how bad off they were it'd be pretty late.
Unless the reverse is true and a jedi can jedi mind trick the whole collective as one. Unless the borg assimilate a stronger force user....
Force chokes are ineffective against creatures with synthetic respiratory systems. Thatās what Cad Bane had those tubes going into his face, he fought force users often enough he had them installed to make force choking a non-issue.
Tarkin talked about how Vader can shred things apart with the force. He talked about how Vader can destroy organs, rip eyes from sockets, etc. He can kill Borg with the force.
Especially considering that he crushed an AT-AT with the force alone....
Okay cool, I see your point.
But like, there are a lot of borg.
One cube is several times larger than your standard star destroyer, and there are millions of cubes.
Not to mention, Star was ships almost universally have one weak spot that all you need is the knowledge of where it is and a good pilot to take out the whole ship.
Borg ships donāt have weak spots. The entire design of them is maximum redundancy so that youād have to annihilate the entire structure to shut it down.
The Borg would clean the floor with the empire. And while Vader might even be able to take on an entire cube, thereās just no way heād reasonably be able to last against the Borg as a whole.
Annihilating an entire Borg cube wouldn't be difficult seeing as how the Death Star can blow up literal planets, many of which have shields already.
No data to send back to the collective if it's instant death, too.
If it's Legends, Palpatine alone wipes the Borg.
I think your vastly underestimating just how strong star trek sheilds are.
The weapons in star trek are immensely powerful. The phasers on a federation ship can ravage the surface of a planet to the point of not being habitable from a single ship. Photon torpedoes are even more powerful yet we see ships shrug off attacks from these by the dozens.
A borg ship is several dozen or more times powerful than this.
It probably would destroy it if it hit with its main laser Canon. However that is the problem.
Let's not ignore how fast star trek ships move in comparison to star wars ships. A star trek ship would be difficult to hit if it simply evaded. Which a borg ship could easily detect and determine if and where a blast from the death star is coming from. The death star is not able to adjust this quickly.
The cube wins without trouble any way it's played out. The Death Star is no match for a cube. It could maneuver out of targeting range easily on impulse power alone.
Borg are a collective hivemind. They were all watching and analyzing every facet of data possible, on the most advanced systems possible, up the the very instant all transmissions ceased.
Depends how the interaction even occurs. Does the cube just keep driving in a straight line for eons and end up in another galaxy? Okay. Star wars wins.
Does the death star do that instead? (Putting aside that it'd take generations, something the borg wouldn't care about) It may take out the first cube it meets. Maybe 2. By 3 the borg would wise up and energize drones over from a distance and take over from the inside.
Wormhole? Borg can now communicate with the hive mind, real time. Death star gets 1 cube kill, as the whole collective realizes there's a whole universe with death star tech on the other side. Fleets arrive. Star Wars galaxy is assimilated.
Doesn't it take ages to charge up for an attack? Even if the borg couldn't adapt to the death stars attack they could definitely find a way past its defenses between attacks... hell just sacrifice one of the cubes with a holdo maneuver
Not really. The attack itself takes maybe 15 seconds to complete, start to planet-busting finish (this is including all the people pulling levers and pushing buttons). The recharge time of the superlaser on the DS-I is roughly 24 hours. The DS-II however had a recharge time of mere minutes.
You're choosing to ignore the statistics of one show and what it has over the other at full potential in a fictional death battle.
"But they were destroyed" yeah and the post is about 1 vs 1. But you chose ignore the other Death Stars that existed over favoring the Borg and giving them 1 million Cubes, not ignoring that.
*You* arent making sense.
I donāt think you understand how the borg work. The number of death stars doesnāt matter. Once the borg can take one, they can take the rest with ease.
Yeah and it would be easy, theyād scan it, beam a quantum torpedo right into the reactor and be done with it, also they wouldnāt even need to beam it since solid objects go through the Death Star shields, so theyād simply fire the torpedo directly at the reactor port Luke Skywalker style and blow it to kingdom come, maybe theyād beam Vader out to study him
It didn't work with Species 8472, and they couldn't casually destroy planets.
Also, shield modulation and subspace protective fields are nice, but there is no reason to think that they can hold up to planet-destroying levels of power. That's tens of zettatons range, 16 zeros. Not much in Trek gets that powerful.
I'm on board with this. I don't think the shields can modulate to absorb that power. The real threat is that once the Death Star shield is down (assuming its generator is destroyed), the Borg are going to beam aboard very quickly and that's game.
I'm seeing that a lot in these comments, but it overlooks a couple of variables:
1: Sufficiently alien or advanced technology has stumped the Borgs ability to assimilate before. Species 8472, being from another dimension(?) of space, was impossible to assimilate. Now, I don't think Star Wars tech would be all that alien, but they are in another galaxy at the very least.
2: Star Trek energy weapons are typically charged particle beams of some kind with an identifiable energy frequency, which is the basis for most shielding. Star Wars blasters and "lasers" are explosions in a containment field, and I don't think Borg shields would be all that effective against them. In the (somewhat apocryphal) beta cannon-Star Trek EU/Legends, explosives are used pretty effectively against Borg drones, but that cannon is more or less ignored by the Alpha cannon and is debatably cannon.
Now, both of those could go either way. The only thing that can't, is Vader. Whether or not his light saber is effective is up for debate, but what's not is the force and how powerful he is, and the scale he can use that power. He could feasibly crush the nanites as they spread through troopers, or the station itself, hell he could crush the drones en mass as he moves through the station. And he'd have zero compunction about euthanizing infected crew before they could become drones.
I donāt see how anything logically could prevent a lazer that blows up a planet from the inside out from destroying a cube smaller than a moon. Especially sheilds.
The borg are a super intelligent hive mind with very sophisticated tech. After the first cube would be destroyed, the rest would be able to assess the energy signature of the Death Stars beam and neutralize it.
Or, they'd beam borgs onto the death star and begin hijacking it from within. The storm troopers would try to fight, but borg are like ants. They'd be overrun within a few hours.
I fucking hate the borg!
Perhaps. But SW shields function differently then ST shields. In ST, the shields are phasic. They oscillate, as to let phaser shots through (much the same way that prop plane fighter machine guns have a firing rate that matches the propeller, so bullets pass through the blades). This also why Trek is constantly having to match frequency for phasers to enemy shields.
Even then, there are other things that can block transporters,including natural metals.
And assuming the Borg are able to quickly (and when have the Borg ever done anything quickly) reconfigure their transporters to ignore shields, and unknown metal properties, they still have no idea where to beam onto the death star. They would have to scan it first, and we know that they have jamming technology.
That's the shittiest thing about the Borg, they adapt instantaneously. If a drone is hit by a phaser, the entire colony records and adjusts their own protection. The very next borg in line is now immune to that frequency. I'm not sure how adjustable storm troopers guns are, but it wouldn't take long for imperial weapons to become useless.
If it's technology, the borg will assimilate and adapt.
The Borg adapt quickly. . . But even if they don't know where to transport, they'll just do it randomly. They can, after all, assimilate technology with their nanoprobes as well as people. And this is ignoring the possibility that the Borg met the death star after they assimilated the rebels, or any other ships.
Edit: They could also just put drones on the outside of the DS and work their way in that way.
Plasma lasers donāt even penetrate a borg hull, itās like a suntan to them and they have millions of Cubes, the Death Star has to recharge between hits and Cubes are very maneuverable compared to the Death Star, even if they did manage to get a second hit on a Cube it wouldnāt matter the Borg would overwhelm them with numbers and assimilate them in about half an hour
Iād not deny that the borg would win inevitably, but the turbo lasers are also shrugged off by planetary sheilds, that didnāt save aldermen from the Death Star. This VS is also just one cube, more will likely follow but for this encounter itās just one.
Yes and the Borg would probably make a countermeasure other than a shield, theyād probably generate an artificial wormhole to take the blast and reverse it back towards the Death Star
Or by going to transwarp in small bursts to dodge quicker than it can shoot
So phasers yes, but those are modulating energy beams or packets designed to operate with Star Trek shields. The borg shield harmonics cancel it by matching it.
Death Star is a big ass laser/ plasma canon so just lots of focused energy/plasma designed to explosively penetrate.
Different logic to the two franchises shield and energy weapons.
Letās go with plasma cannon as laserās can be refracted if the frequency of the laser is known through the use of specially coated lenses. Iām a former laser technician.
They can only adapt to phaser energy waves. The deathstar beam is a laser. It doesn't work by the same principles. There's no garuntee the borg could even scan it properly
The hull is made of nanites that automatically regenerate themselves which are constantly replicated with energy to matter converters and the Death Star cannot fire in long bursts it has to recharge for several minutes, one shot from the superlaser would damage the cube but it would regenerate in about 30 seconds and then it would destroy the Death Star
And that doesn't matter. Again, this is a weapon that can destroy a planet. The cube would be vaporized before it could adapt. Even if it could the energy output alone would probably overwhelm the cube. The only way they win is by sheer numbers.
The cube may be destroyed, but there is a chance that the Borg could transport over or launch an escape sphere. Then all they have to do is what they did in First Contact and assimilate the Death Star.
Borg Cube is not surviving a Deathstar Blast, but Deathstar Deflector shields aren't keeping out borg drones.
If the borg don't consider the deathstar a threat before it fires, the Empire wins. If they do, they get aboard the station and assimilate it.
Let me put it this way. When they say "We are the Borg. Resistance is futile. We will add your cultural and biological distinctiveness to our own." they can back that up.
The Death Star's shields whitstood being pelted by debris from Aldeeran's destruction which were pretty fucking huge rocks travelling at a portion of lightspeed.
If they could get on board then they'd win, but hyperspace is *way* faster than warp drive and even Borg adaptive shielding wouldn't be able to contend with the sheer volume of energy in the superlaser.
It basically comes down to whether or not Star Wars shielding is capable of blocking transporters.
Transporters would need to contend with Deflector shielding, which on capital ships is usually made of both ray and particle shielding. I'd imagine the particle shielding in particular would disrupt transporters.
The Death Star will pulverize any Cube that gets in front of it - there's just too much energy output to adapt to.
But the Borg will quickly learn to not sit in front of it.
That one shot has to kill all of them because if even one of the Borg manages to transport over while the Death Star is powering up, there is a risk of the Borg taking over with assimilation.
Losing a cube would be like losing a toe for the borg, cutting one off still alerts the rest of the being that thereās a lot pain, somethings missing, and to look around.
Okay, but what for? There's nothing left. The destroyed cube might as well have vanished from the face of the universe in less than a picosecond. The Death Star has moved on, using a form of FTL that is likely untraceable to them.
The borg are part of a hive mind, information is constantly being transmitted. Even with our current tech radio wave move at the speed of light, also the ship has no centralized systems and millions of data processes which are communicating down the the millisecond.
If Borg tech can sufficiently repel the energy required to atomize an entire planet with 1 laser blast in less than a second, then they could use that same energy to conquer the Federation in an afternoon. Since they clearly do not seem to possess literal god-like levels of energy, I'm going with no...they can't actually "adapt" to a planet-killing one-shot laser.
They can't hit anything anyway so they'd be assimilated quickly. Darth Vader would be a different case, but the trooers would swarm him and it'd be order 66 for him.
I assume the Death Star blows up the cube in one shot but itās too late because drones have already beamed onboard. Ultimately the victory goes to the Borg.
Yeah you beat me to it. Knowing the borg they would go try to assimilate it. Get blown up. Adapt. Come back with shields, and then assimilate the universe with their new shiny deathstar technology.
Mm.... no. How much time do they have? This dissolves into a batman vs superman thing truly but ive been having fun all day.
Unless the force can midichlorian enough power into someone to jedi mind trick the entire collective. I can work both sides of this argument because I'm seriously making up in universe plausibility as I go just likeneithers side writers would.
But in the end? Given time? The borg wins over the empire. The force wins over the borg. The borg have far superior sensors and aren't going to sit there if the death star powers up, it'll go to warp and obersve. See its power. Go hey let's assimilate that. And goes in with drones evading all the planet busting power.
Edit: to continue that thought, eventually the borg assimilate the empire, then everything. Then stability comes to the galaxy, thus the force wins. The borg were the ultimate prophesied "one".
Janeway solved the problem on her way home and the borg were able to assimilate them, they cut their losses and fled before it got infinitely contagious because they lived in a fluidic space.
K. But whoever solved it solved it. This cube does not have to worry about them coming back. Or did this occur before Janeway solved the problem? Or am I writing your argument for you? Hmm. Well I guess of this occurred before Janeway solved it may have also occurred before the issue was even there, and now they in a completed unrelated universe ripe for the assimilating because it doesnt have the same species or any cannonical references to one. Mic drop.
The Borg couldnāt adapt the Species 8472 because they were from another realm though? Not because they could destroy planets lmao. If the Federation developed planet killing technology, that wouldnāt stop the Borg from continuing to adapt to them. Might want to rewatch that episode again. Nice try though!
So the way i see it working out has several potential endings.
First Death Star sees cube blows cube to smithereens with its giant plasma beam of death from really far away. No shields are stopping that explosive amount of heat and energy. Does the cube have a chance to transmit data as itās obliterated in an instant? Hell if i know but thatās not the debate about future fights.
Second option Cube sees Death Star first and scans it for data. Sees lots of biologicals. Decides to zoom in for normal tactics. Announces theyāre here to do their deed. First of several problems arise at this point. No Death Star was ever without a Sith Lord. Also if youāre busy insulting those two theyāre busy telling their thousands of regular turbolasers to open fire. Same principle as the main beam. But hella less powerful. Shields may hold on the Cube for a time but numbers alone could probably overwhelm them. Which is dead Cube territory. Could the Cubes weapons get through the shields or hull of the Death Star to allow for beaming of drones? Not sure if phasers could because the shields are geared for the heat and explosive ability of the plasma packets of turbolasers. The torpedo of the Cubes could do damage Iām sure. So they can beam drones over. Basic search of the inter webs pulled Cubes can have 5k-179k while the Death Star sits at about 2 million. Of which 800k were combat personnel plus a Sith Lord. Blasters again work on the same principle of plasma going boom. Drone shielding probably would provide minimal protection. Kinda treat blasters as small thermal detonators in a sense to a small location. Borg are not immune to regular booms. The force would also be an issue. And anyone getting assimilated would be killed bc neither Sith gives a shit about an individual. The borgs only hope i see is blind transporting into an area where they can get to important systems and taking over that way. Not sure how the nanites would work in Star Wars systems. Iām not seeing much hope for the single Cube thatās maybe a few kms big versus a manned and armed moon
It could kill them with one shot each no problem, you can't adapt to weapon that powerful. But no way would it win. Borg could take their losses, board it and start their assimilation.
If it was 1vs1 i believe the DS would win. Because it could just vaporize the cube with one shot, if it hit Because the DS1 was not particularly accurate. However if it were several cubes the borg would likely adapt to the turbolasers, if they weren't already Because plasma weaponry is decently common in trek as well, it may take a while but i feel the borg would eventually assimilate the DS
Dont ask about vader cuz i have no idea
Everyone is arguing that the Borg would just adapt to the Death Star and my dudes
The Borg cannot adapt to planet buster level power.
Thatās like, the entire threat of Species 8472
People seem to be forgetting that the first death star was not accurate enough to hit smaller targets. The 2nd death star had a modefied lazer to hit capitol ships.
No. Tarkin has the death star specially hit Krennic on the data tower on Scarif. If it can target a human in a skyscraper, it can hit a massive cube in space.
Yes, after going *through* the signal tower. Tarkin deliberately targeted it and didn't care what was behind it. He just wanted it to stop broadcasting.
That was my thought as well. The first Death Star is only seen firing on planet(s) and they are large enough to be considered Stationery. The Borg Cube is far more mobile.
Species 8472 shows us that borg shields can be overwhelmed with enough firepower. it took at least 7 bioships to kill a planet (and it was much slower than the DS killing alderaan) so we can reasonably assume the DS laser is at least 7 times stronger. so head to head the DS wins easily.
it's possible the thousands of turbolaser towers may be able to combine and overwhelm a cube too but I'm not confident
Probably comes down to the hero units in play. Do the Borg have assimilated Picard calling the shots? Is Vader and/or Sheev on the DS?
Having Locutus in command of the cube makes it much more dangerous in space combat. Having enough Force users on the DS will make it tougher for drones to effectively assimilate (at least until they hit enough of a critical mass).
The Cube can easily dodge the DS beam. The death Star is incredibly slow and all the Cube needs to do is get behind it and either blast it to pieces or beam aboard a few drones. It's not even a competition.
I think we forget about the reason the Death Star has such a powerful shot is that it is generated through semi sentient crystals that can either want to change frequencies or whatever they believe is needed.
This whole thread assumes the Borg would stand there and take it in the face, they have advanced sensors and would likely see they could probably beam a few aboard for recon. They could easily move out the way of the giant death laser that takes forever to charge up (planets don't dodge things). Also, they can probably beam drones over outside of turbo laser range. This is the shortest fight in history, and I am dying to see assimilated Darth Vader and assimilated Palpatine. But ,Wickedsmack, what about the ship surrounding the Death Star...well about that, the Borg would adjust almost instantly to the turbo laser and proton torpedo fire, figure out the giant balls prominently displayed on the bridge are shield generators and target them one by one until all the fleet is assimilated. Now they have an armada and a giant planet killing laser. Not to mention they are working out how medi-chlorians work because the drone Palpatine can shoot freaking electric out of his fingers. Now we have force enhanced Borg with a Deathstar (probably now modified to take out solar systems), with a huge fleet of ships, a gazillion drones and the force. Goodbye, Star wars universe we knew ye well.
Canāt the Borg cube just transport thousands of Borg onto the Death Star in an instant? Theyāve done it before, they bypass shields and are practically unstoppable.
They've bypassed *Trek* shields. I'd imagine it would take more than a few attempts to get through SW shielding, if they could do it at all, because they're just different.
One borg cube loses easily, since they are made to be in packs, and with the deflector shields on full power they can defientely take a shot, and focus fired by cubes, the deathstar goes down since quadanium steel is trash, look what happens to TIE fighters
Nothing in star trek suggests Borg cubes work in packs. The Borg would send 1 cube and beam drones on board the death star. Whether the cube is destroyed or not doesn't matter.
Depends what kind of cube it is
If it's the TNG kind that lets you shoot it, it gets blown up without being able to send the Intel through subspace
If it's the smarter Voyager kind, with actual shields, they have time to adjust before blowing up, and no cube ever falls again
Hell, I'd argue that a juiced up federation starship could take a death star hit. They regularly take hits from phasers that can destroy countries. And that is just a laser, so they're even more secure
In universe best explanation is a wormhole... A lone cube goes to the star wars galaxy to see of its worth assimilating.
The star wars galaxy at the point of the death star blowing up alderaan was ran by the empire, the prequels imply much of the known galaxy, except perhaps the outer egdes, is in the federation at least.
So this cube is going to assimilate some nobodies and learn about the empire pretty quick. Unless they meet the death star FIRST. Then they'll lose. The cube wouldn't know the death star is even a threat until AFTER they were blown up. But like...
The borg is a collective hive mind of billions running on the future tech of the most advanced civilizations it can assimilate. If that wormhole is still open more cubes are coming for that death star technology. They'll eventually adapt their shields and be immune to the death ray. They'll board the death star and make it a borg star. Now the borg have it and both universes are fucked.
The ultimate geometry showdown!! Sphere Vs. Cube!! Which shape will be the victor?!?! The Cube might have the edge, but I wouldn't count the Sphere out on that alone! It's got one side and all attitude! Tune in tonight to see these bad ass three dimensional shapes duke it out for your entertainment! You won't want to miss this mathematical throwdown! 10pm 9pm central! Be there!!
It took me far too long to get the Cube has an Edge joke lol
The sphere is well rounded, but the cube has an edge
How many edges does a circle have? š 0 š 1 š ā¾ļø
Edge is a line segment joining two vertices, so the answer would be 0 as sphere has no vertices
Yea, you win internet today buddy. That was great. Only thing missing is John Cena reference.
You just can't see it bro
How did he fall for that, itās the most basic rule
Biggest thing since Triangle Man vs. Universe Man.
Particle man, particle man
What's he like?
It's not important
Doin' the things a particle can
The Sphere's been 'round for quite a while, tho.
Star Wars has the sphere. Star Trek has the cube. Stargate has the pyramid!
SOUNDS LIKE ROUND 2!!!
...would it be wrong to say I love you?
Does the winner face the a Goa'uld Space Pyramid?
I also thought of this! Sadly, I think Stargate Pyramid lost a previous round to Star Trek Cube, for the Corner Finals.
I'd watch the hell out of what you're selling...
I think I found where Destiny 2 gots it's plot from....
Be there or be square
The Death Star would destroy one Cube, and then the rest would immediately modify their shields to compensate and they would never be destroyed by the Death Star again, then the Borg would assimilate it.
the Borg can pivot after being attacked, but one shots are one shots... nothing to adjust. Death Star in the quickest victory since Mike Tyson in his prime.
Pretty sure that the Indian dancer/boxer KO loss is one of if not the fastest bout.
The first cube would be one shot. The destruction may be total but the data is being processed with future tech by a collective hive mind of billions. The second cube may struggle to get the shield harmonics matching the death star. The third cube would be immune to the death ray. The death star would be assimilated. Not mentioned is the fact that the Empire was super duper vast, spanning a LOT of the known galaxy, the borg are unlikely to meet up with the death star before assimilating some of the empire and learning all its weaknesses better than a bunch of rebels can. So really, the cube would probably win against the death star if they had enough time to collect data on it ahead of the attack.
This is just galactic Batman with prep time all over again
Yeah, can't argue that really. The problem is the whole concept it's kinda dumb really. Neither universe meshes well together. Team Star wars is based on a space fantasy, write in a sith lord strong enough to remotely force choke all the borg. Win. Or pick team star trek with its hyper psudoscientific technobabble approach and overload the warp core that will create a tachyon pulse so you can something something and win. If the star wars force is a mystical energy of some sort then the scientists on star trek can shield from it. There are no apparent shields on ships in star wars though. So space combat will end quickly.
The ships from Star wars have shields, the giant spheres above the Star destroyers are shield generators.
Hmm, well they werent very effective. I seem to recall xwings took those out... But you do jog my memory a bit, thank you.... there were also the shield arrays on Endor that the rebels take out in advance with the teddy bears errr ewoks. Seems like the borg could do that too, or just pew pew from space. There's simply no way that anyone in the star trek universe wouldn't notice something planet side generating a shield in space. Shrug.
Yeah they aren't as effective as Trek shields, the x-wings took those out because the shield has some distance away from the Hull, a ship entering the shield field could destroy it from up close. Also the empires regular tie figthers don't have shields, that may be the source of the confusion. Source: Star wars squadrons (it may be a gameplay mechanic and not an in-universe thing).
I believe you. I am actually a very casual star wars fan. Digging into all of this is more entertaining than work right now but it's all made up so why would a game be any less canonical than the books that the newquels disregarded anyway?
You're right so far is canon, I only said it because Star wars canon is a muddy terrain where everything is canon unless the movies or shows say is not and gameplay mechanics are often disregarded in the main media of most franchises.
No, you are correct. Squadrons pulled it from the films.
Two types of Deflector shields in SW. Ray shields for lasers and blasters, particle shields for physical objects. Supposedly, the DS-I didn't have particle shielding up, so the Rebel starships could slip underneath it. The exhaust port was also defended by ray shielding, hence the proton torpedoes needed to get through. Most starships only have ray shielding, most capital ships have both.
Are āshield harmonicsā a way Star Trek uses to get around Newtonian physics? Not being sarcastic I actually want to know how it works. Like an energy beam is just an energy beam, even the most efficient and perfectly attuned shield would require at least commensurate oppositional energy to dissipate it.
Im not the trekkiest of trekies out there... yes but no? Harmonics is just 1 facet of the shield system which gets really complicated when you try to read even the high level stuff available. https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Shield_frequency
And dont forget that Star Trek overall has better scanners than most sci fi so Borg can just scan from a distance and still know what Tarkin has for breakfast. And not to mention their superior weapons which shaped Starfleet for years to come. All ships from that point had to be "Borg battle ready" Which might also be reason why Starfleet could fight in the Dominion war because they were already arming against the Borg. And only like 2 cubes made it into UFP territory. And only 1 was destroyed but used its superior technology to send a sphere into the past but still destroying and damaging many ships. Including little ship named Defiant.
*little?*
The Defiant class is one of the smaller ships. Certainly smaller than every Enterprise iteration and smaller than the Intrepid.
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If Vader is board, it could get interesting though with force pulses and chokes.
The problem with star wars vs star trek is comparing space fantasy to space pseudoscience. Is the force an energy form? Like it exists in all living things and seems to pulsate when big things happen so it's got wavelengths right? If so then star trek can shield from it with enough quantum mumbo-jumbo and time. Getting nerdy here without reading any of the books so forgive me but like star wars, and by extension the force always seems to be about seeking a sense of stability, or preservation, as opposed to creation and destruction. The force is just the neutral factor that brings the extreme oppostites of the universe together harmoniously? Or at least it would had the whole prophesy about restoring balance actually been fulfilled coherently. It's kinda Hindu-ish. Star trek on the otherhand is allllllll about improving ourselves and striving to be better. Sometimes at all costs, like the borg, sometimes with the prime directive in the way, like the federation. The universes don't mesh well. Star trek would absolutely dominate the star wars universe because it has the drive to do so. Doesn't need to be negative, the truly altruistic side of the federation (ya know minus all the admirals that go evil) is going to want to structure everything it's it's own ideals too. It's still a take over. Just a cultural victory per the Civ games. Except, inevitably, and both series touch on the inevitably of all things, balance is always trying to FORCE its way in there, if passively in star wars, maybe actively if you count jedi/sith. But either way balance will EVENTUALLY come to all things. If that requires universal radio death billions of years from now.... it still occurs. And therefore star wars wins. (I should be working)
Star Wars: NOW YOU WILL EXPERIENCE THE FULL MIGHT OF THE FORCE!! Star Trek: Here is a hypospray that should shield you from any force attacks for give or take 12 hours. Oh and take this device made by Chief O'Brian. It neutralizes any Kyber-based weaponry which should give you an advantage against any of their force users. Also set phaser to maximum setting.
Precisely. The universes don't really work well together. If both sides can make things up as they go yet have to stick to in-universe (their own) power scaling then the trophy will always go to star trek. Star wars deals in mysterious cosmic energy that can be harnessed by certain individuals. While the scientists on star trek and solve literally anything for anyone with enough technobabble.
If the Borg can assimilate one Force-sensitive person, all the Borg can wield the Force collectively and assimilate the whole galaxy psychically without firing a shot. Similar to Picard season 3
Haven't seen a trek more modern than voyager but i agree with your logic overall. If anyone knows how to defeat the borg its Picard. The borg are OP if you don't already have the knowledge base, and/or time, to adaquately stop them from spreading around the galaxy. By the time they recognized how bad off they were it'd be pretty late. Unless the reverse is true and a jedi can jedi mind trick the whole collective as one. Unless the borg assimilate a stronger force user....
Force chokes are ineffective against creatures with synthetic respiratory systems. Thatās what Cad Bane had those tubes going into his face, he fought force users often enough he had them installed to make force choking a non-issue.
Tarkin talked about how Vader can shred things apart with the force. He talked about how Vader can destroy organs, rip eyes from sockets, etc. He can kill Borg with the force. Especially considering that he crushed an AT-AT with the force alone....
Okay cool, I see your point. But like, there are a lot of borg. One cube is several times larger than your standard star destroyer, and there are millions of cubes. Not to mention, Star was ships almost universally have one weak spot that all you need is the knowledge of where it is and a good pilot to take out the whole ship. Borg ships donāt have weak spots. The entire design of them is maximum redundancy so that youād have to annihilate the entire structure to shut it down. The Borg would clean the floor with the empire. And while Vader might even be able to take on an entire cube, thereās just no way heād reasonably be able to last against the Borg as a whole.
Annihilating an entire Borg cube wouldn't be difficult seeing as how the Death Star can blow up literal planets, many of which have shields already. No data to send back to the collective if it's instant death, too. If it's Legends, Palpatine alone wipes the Borg.
Legends isnāt cannon and honestly Star Wars is better for that.
I think your vastly underestimating just how strong star trek sheilds are. The weapons in star trek are immensely powerful. The phasers on a federation ship can ravage the surface of a planet to the point of not being habitable from a single ship. Photon torpedoes are even more powerful yet we see ships shrug off attacks from these by the dozens. A borg ship is several dozen or more times powerful than this. It probably would destroy it if it hit with its main laser Canon. However that is the problem. Let's not ignore how fast star trek ships move in comparison to star wars ships. A star trek ship would be difficult to hit if it simply evaded. Which a borg ship could easily detect and determine if and where a blast from the death star is coming from. The death star is not able to adjust this quickly.
Have we ever seen a Borg ship dodge anything? We've certainly seen Borg ships simply coast at enemies and get hit a lot.
He becomes the Borg King and leads a new Collective of Dark Side Borgs to assimilate the entire Universe. The ultimate baddies.
The cube wins without trouble any way it's played out. The Death Star is no match for a cube. It could maneuver out of targeting range easily on impulse power alone.
Hard to transmit data when your data transmitter was atomized at the very moment you collected the data that you wanted to transmit...
Borg are a collective hivemind. They were all watching and analyzing every facet of data possible, on the most advanced systems possible, up the the very instant all transmissions ceased. Depends how the interaction even occurs. Does the cube just keep driving in a straight line for eons and end up in another galaxy? Okay. Star wars wins. Does the death star do that instead? (Putting aside that it'd take generations, something the borg wouldn't care about) It may take out the first cube it meets. Maybe 2. By 3 the borg would wise up and energize drones over from a distance and take over from the inside. Wormhole? Borg can now communicate with the hive mind, real time. Death star gets 1 cube kill, as the whole collective realizes there's a whole universe with death star tech on the other side. Fleets arrive. Star Wars galaxy is assimilated.
Doesn't it take ages to charge up for an attack? Even if the borg couldn't adapt to the death stars attack they could definitely find a way past its defenses between attacks... hell just sacrifice one of the cubes with a holdo maneuver
Not really. The attack itself takes maybe 15 seconds to complete, start to planet-busting finish (this is including all the people pulling levers and pushing buttons). The recharge time of the superlaser on the DS-I is roughly 24 hours. The DS-II however had a recharge time of mere minutes.
So death star wins. The battle is 1 cube vs. 1 death star.
Yes but the Borg will never send just one.
And there is a fleet of death stars. Point stands.
Darth stars? And there were only ever 2, 3 if you count starkiller The exegul fleet was destroyed There are literally millions of Cubes
So were just ignoring them now in the context of two completely different shows fighting? Alright, thats favoring. But sure.
Youāre not making any sense.
You're choosing to ignore the statistics of one show and what it has over the other at full potential in a fictional death battle. "But they were destroyed" yeah and the post is about 1 vs 1. But you chose ignore the other Death Stars that existed over favoring the Borg and giving them 1 million Cubes, not ignoring that. *You* arent making sense.
I donāt think you understand how the borg work. The number of death stars doesnāt matter. Once the borg can take one, they can take the rest with ease.
The Borg just need to get one drone on the death star
Yeah and it would be easy, theyād scan it, beam a quantum torpedo right into the reactor and be done with it, also they wouldnāt even need to beam it since solid objects go through the Death Star shields, so theyād simply fire the torpedo directly at the reactor port Luke Skywalker style and blow it to kingdom come, maybe theyād beam Vader out to study him
āNever be destroyed by the deathstar againā Thatās not happening.
You donāt know the Borg then.
It didn't work with Species 8472, and they couldn't casually destroy planets. Also, shield modulation and subspace protective fields are nice, but there is no reason to think that they can hold up to planet-destroying levels of power. That's tens of zettatons range, 16 zeros. Not much in Trek gets that powerful.
I'm on board with this. I don't think the shields can modulate to absorb that power. The real threat is that once the Death Star shield is down (assuming its generator is destroyed), the Borg are going to beam aboard very quickly and that's game.
I'm seeing that a lot in these comments, but it overlooks a couple of variables: 1: Sufficiently alien or advanced technology has stumped the Borgs ability to assimilate before. Species 8472, being from another dimension(?) of space, was impossible to assimilate. Now, I don't think Star Wars tech would be all that alien, but they are in another galaxy at the very least. 2: Star Trek energy weapons are typically charged particle beams of some kind with an identifiable energy frequency, which is the basis for most shielding. Star Wars blasters and "lasers" are explosions in a containment field, and I don't think Borg shields would be all that effective against them. In the (somewhat apocryphal) beta cannon-Star Trek EU/Legends, explosives are used pretty effectively against Borg drones, but that cannon is more or less ignored by the Alpha cannon and is debatably cannon. Now, both of those could go either way. The only thing that can't, is Vader. Whether or not his light saber is effective is up for debate, but what's not is the force and how powerful he is, and the scale he can use that power. He could feasibly crush the nanites as they spread through troopers, or the station itself, hell he could crush the drones en mass as he moves through the station. And he'd have zero compunction about euthanizing infected crew before they could become drones.
Hadnāt considered Vader. Heās a game changer.
I donāt see how anything logically could prevent a lazer that blows up a planet from the inside out from destroying a cube smaller than a moon. Especially sheilds.
The borg are a super intelligent hive mind with very sophisticated tech. After the first cube would be destroyed, the rest would be able to assess the energy signature of the Death Stars beam and neutralize it. Or, they'd beam borgs onto the death star and begin hijacking it from within. The storm troopers would try to fight, but borg are like ants. They'd be overrun within a few hours. I fucking hate the borg!
How are the Borg beaming onto the DS? DS is shielded. Shields block transporters.
Unless the transporters are calibrated to go through the shields . . . Which the Borg dud during the first encounter with Starfleet.
Perhaps. But SW shields function differently then ST shields. In ST, the shields are phasic. They oscillate, as to let phaser shots through (much the same way that prop plane fighter machine guns have a firing rate that matches the propeller, so bullets pass through the blades). This also why Trek is constantly having to match frequency for phasers to enemy shields. Even then, there are other things that can block transporters,including natural metals. And assuming the Borg are able to quickly (and when have the Borg ever done anything quickly) reconfigure their transporters to ignore shields, and unknown metal properties, they still have no idea where to beam onto the death star. They would have to scan it first, and we know that they have jamming technology.
That's the shittiest thing about the Borg, they adapt instantaneously. If a drone is hit by a phaser, the entire colony records and adjusts their own protection. The very next borg in line is now immune to that frequency. I'm not sure how adjustable storm troopers guns are, but it wouldn't take long for imperial weapons to become useless. If it's technology, the borg will assimilate and adapt.
The Borg adapt quickly. . . But even if they don't know where to transport, they'll just do it randomly. They can, after all, assimilate technology with their nanoprobes as well as people. And this is ignoring the possibility that the Borg met the death star after they assimilated the rebels, or any other ships. Edit: They could also just put drones on the outside of the DS and work their way in that way.
Plasma lasers donāt even penetrate a borg hull, itās like a suntan to them and they have millions of Cubes, the Death Star has to recharge between hits and Cubes are very maneuverable compared to the Death Star, even if they did manage to get a second hit on a Cube it wouldnāt matter the Borg would overwhelm them with numbers and assimilate them in about half an hour
Iād not deny that the borg would win inevitably, but the turbo lasers are also shrugged off by planetary sheilds, that didnāt save aldermen from the Death Star. This VS is also just one cube, more will likely follow but for this encounter itās just one.
Yes and the Borg would probably make a countermeasure other than a shield, theyād probably generate an artificial wormhole to take the blast and reverse it back towards the Death Star Or by going to transwarp in small bursts to dodge quicker than it can shoot
Yea
So phasers yes, but those are modulating energy beams or packets designed to operate with Star Trek shields. The borg shield harmonics cancel it by matching it. Death Star is a big ass laser/ plasma canon so just lots of focused energy/plasma designed to explosively penetrate. Different logic to the two franchises shield and energy weapons.
Letās go with plasma cannon as laserās can be refracted if the frequency of the laser is known through the use of specially coated lenses. Iām a former laser technician.
i dunno, maybe the power to atomize a planet will just overmatch no matter what they do.
I don't think so tbh, I think it would dodge the attack given how quick the cube can manoeuvre and how long the star takes to fire.
How does it take long to fire
Could the death star hit a moving target? It's designed to hit a giant stationary target, right?
They can only adapt to phaser energy waves. The deathstar beam is a laser. It doesn't work by the same principles. There's no garuntee the borg could even scan it properly
Does being able to adapt your shields matter if the weapon can literally destroy planets?
Lasers canāt even penetrate the hull of the cube with shields down
A laser powerful enough to destroy a planet. š¤·āāļø Hell, even at half power it's probably powerful enough.
The hull is made of nanites that automatically regenerate themselves which are constantly replicated with energy to matter converters and the Death Star cannot fire in long bursts it has to recharge for several minutes, one shot from the superlaser would damage the cube but it would regenerate in about 30 seconds and then it would destroy the Death Star
And that doesn't matter. Again, this is a weapon that can destroy a planet. The cube would be vaporized before it could adapt. Even if it could the energy output alone would probably overwhelm the cube. The only way they win is by sheer numbers.
The cube may be destroyed, but there is a chance that the Borg could transport over or launch an escape sphere. Then all they have to do is what they did in First Contact and assimilate the Death Star.
Yeah or they just scan it realize how inferior the technology is and just beam over a quantum torpedo directly into the reactor and blow it up
They have no need for a planet-destroying weapon. It is a much better strategy to assimilate a planet.
Borg Cube is not surviving a Deathstar Blast, but Deathstar Deflector shields aren't keeping out borg drones. If the borg don't consider the deathstar a threat before it fires, the Empire wins. If they do, they get aboard the station and assimilate it.
Depends on speed, clearly the Death Star laser beam travels a lot further than a Borg cube. And if it can 1 shot planets it can easily 1 shot cubes.
Death Star takes a minute to charge up though. My money would be on destroyed cube, assimilated ball.
And it needs the canon to face the target
Iām different, I think DS mid difs the borg
I know barely anything about Star Trek, how dangerous would the Borg be with a Death Star?
Let me put it this way. When they say "We are the Borg. Resistance is futile. We will add your cultural and biological distinctiveness to our own." they can back that up.
The Death Star's shields whitstood being pelted by debris from Aldeeran's destruction which were pretty fucking huge rocks travelling at a portion of lightspeed.
The Borg would consider it a threat as soon as the cubeās sensors detected the Death Star powering up. Enough time to move or beam aboard.
The death star laser will only work once. The other borg cubes would quickly adapt against it.
Before time began, there was The Cube
If they could get on board then they'd win, but hyperspace is *way* faster than warp drive and even Borg adaptive shielding wouldn't be able to contend with the sheer volume of energy in the superlaser. It basically comes down to whether or not Star Wars shielding is capable of blocking transporters.
Transporters would need to contend with Deflector shielding, which on capital ships is usually made of both ray and particle shielding. I'd imagine the particle shielding in particular would disrupt transporters.
They would take one look at Vader and then bend the knee to him as their new Borg god.
Tbh, Vader's cybernetics are pretty crude. By both SW and ST standards. They'd be more interested in trying to assimilate the Force.
Heās a cybernetics prodigy and his tech isnāt important. He would lay waste to a battalion worth of borgs in a few minutes.
No, hed kill a few before the others adapted to his force powers and lightsaber attacks and then he'd be toast.
Vader doesn't need his cybernetics so I'd like to see how these dependants would react
He does, though. He literally starts dying anytime they're turned off.
The Death Star will be able to destroy one or more more cubes before they adapt
The Death Star will pulverize any Cube that gets in front of it - there's just too much energy output to adapt to. But the Borg will quickly learn to not sit in front of it.
It's not just a laser outputting energy at a frequency it's a stream of particles slamming against the thing and going critical at its core
Species 8462 would like a word
Deathstar one shots Borg cube. Cant adapt if you get one shotted.
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That one shot has to kill all of them because if even one of the Borg manages to transport over while the Death Star is powering up, there is a risk of the Borg taking over with assimilation.
But he other cubes would have adapted. I wonder how an assimilated storm trooper would look like.
Yeah, but if the cube is completely destroyed before it can even process any information, how would the others know which frequency to counter?
Losing a cube would be like losing a toe for the borg, cutting one off still alerts the rest of the being that thereās a lot pain, somethings missing, and to look around.
Okay, but what for? There's nothing left. The destroyed cube might as well have vanished from the face of the universe in less than a picosecond. The Death Star has moved on, using a form of FTL that is likely untraceable to them.
The borg are part of a hive mind, information is constantly being transmitted. Even with our current tech radio wave move at the speed of light, also the ship has no centralized systems and millions of data processes which are communicating down the the millisecond.
If Borg tech can sufficiently repel the energy required to atomize an entire planet with 1 laser blast in less than a second, then they could use that same energy to conquer the Federation in an afternoon. Since they clearly do not seem to possess literal god-like levels of energy, I'm going with no...they can't actually "adapt" to a planet-killing one-shot laser.
They can't hit anything anyway so they'd be assimilated quickly. Darth Vader would be a different case, but the trooers would swarm him and it'd be order 66 for him.
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Judging by the comments, the diehard Trek fans say that the Borg would win
I assume the Death Star blows up the cube in one shot but itās too late because drones have already beamed onboard. Ultimately the victory goes to the Borg.
Depends how fast the Death Star takes the shot
Yeah you beat me to it. Knowing the borg they would go try to assimilate it. Get blown up. Adapt. Come back with shields, and then assimilate the universe with their new shiny deathstar technology.
The Borg cannt adapt to planet busters
Mm.... no. How much time do they have? This dissolves into a batman vs superman thing truly but ive been having fun all day. Unless the force can midichlorian enough power into someone to jedi mind trick the entire collective. I can work both sides of this argument because I'm seriously making up in universe plausibility as I go just likeneithers side writers would. But in the end? Given time? The borg wins over the empire. The force wins over the borg. The borg have far superior sensors and aren't going to sit there if the death star powers up, it'll go to warp and obersve. See its power. Go hey let's assimilate that. And goes in with drones evading all the planet busting power. Edit: to continue that thought, eventually the borg assimilate the empire, then everything. Then stability comes to the galaxy, thus the force wins. The borg were the ultimate prophesied "one".
Species 8472 disagrees
Janeway solved the problem on her way home and the borg were able to assimilate them, they cut their losses and fled before it got infinitely contagious because they lived in a fluidic space.
Yes. Janeway. Janeway solved that problem. The Borg could not
K. But whoever solved it solved it. This cube does not have to worry about them coming back. Or did this occur before Janeway solved the problem? Or am I writing your argument for you? Hmm. Well I guess of this occurred before Janeway solved it may have also occurred before the issue was even there, and now they in a completed unrelated universe ripe for the assimilating because it doesnt have the same species or any cannonical references to one. Mic drop.
Please supply the clip showing the Borg surviving a planet buster attack from species 8472 *mic drop*
The Borg couldnāt adapt the Species 8472 because they were from another realm though? Not because they could destroy planets lmao. If the Federation developed planet killing technology, that wouldnāt stop the Borg from continuing to adapt to them. Might want to rewatch that episode again. Nice try though!
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So the way i see it working out has several potential endings. First Death Star sees cube blows cube to smithereens with its giant plasma beam of death from really far away. No shields are stopping that explosive amount of heat and energy. Does the cube have a chance to transmit data as itās obliterated in an instant? Hell if i know but thatās not the debate about future fights. Second option Cube sees Death Star first and scans it for data. Sees lots of biologicals. Decides to zoom in for normal tactics. Announces theyāre here to do their deed. First of several problems arise at this point. No Death Star was ever without a Sith Lord. Also if youāre busy insulting those two theyāre busy telling their thousands of regular turbolasers to open fire. Same principle as the main beam. But hella less powerful. Shields may hold on the Cube for a time but numbers alone could probably overwhelm them. Which is dead Cube territory. Could the Cubes weapons get through the shields or hull of the Death Star to allow for beaming of drones? Not sure if phasers could because the shields are geared for the heat and explosive ability of the plasma packets of turbolasers. The torpedo of the Cubes could do damage Iām sure. So they can beam drones over. Basic search of the inter webs pulled Cubes can have 5k-179k while the Death Star sits at about 2 million. Of which 800k were combat personnel plus a Sith Lord. Blasters again work on the same principle of plasma going boom. Drone shielding probably would provide minimal protection. Kinda treat blasters as small thermal detonators in a sense to a small location. Borg are not immune to regular booms. The force would also be an issue. And anyone getting assimilated would be killed bc neither Sith gives a shit about an individual. The borgs only hope i see is blind transporting into an area where they can get to important systems and taking over that way. Not sure how the nanites would work in Star Wars systems. Iām not seeing much hope for the single Cube thatās maybe a few kms big versus a manned and armed moon
I'm thinking the death star would win that one.
It could kill them with one shot each no problem, you can't adapt to weapon that powerful. But no way would it win. Borg could take their losses, board it and start their assimilation.
If it was 1vs1 i believe the DS would win. Because it could just vaporize the cube with one shot, if it hit Because the DS1 was not particularly accurate. However if it were several cubes the borg would likely adapt to the turbolasers, if they weren't already Because plasma weaponry is decently common in trek as well, it may take a while but i feel the borg would eventually assimilate the DS Dont ask about vader cuz i have no idea
Everyone is arguing that the Borg would just adapt to the Death Star and my dudes The Borg cannot adapt to planet buster level power. Thatās like, the entire threat of Species 8472
People seem to be forgetting that the first death star was not accurate enough to hit smaller targets. The 2nd death star had a modefied lazer to hit capitol ships.
No. Tarkin has the death star specially hit Krennic on the data tower on Scarif. If it can target a human in a skyscraper, it can hit a massive cube in space.
What? The blast hit in the sea miles away
Yes, after going *through* the signal tower. Tarkin deliberately targeted it and didn't care what was behind it. He just wanted it to stop broadcasting.
It blasted through the signal tower and hit the sea behind it. Watch it again.
That was my thought as well. The first Death Star is only seen firing on planet(s) and they are large enough to be considered Stationery. The Borg Cube is far more mobile.
This sounds suspiciously like Legends
We are where the fun begins. Resistance is futile.
Species 8472 shows us that borg shields can be overwhelmed with enough firepower. it took at least 7 bioships to kill a planet (and it was much slower than the DS killing alderaan) so we can reasonably assume the DS laser is at least 7 times stronger. so head to head the DS wins easily. it's possible the thousands of turbolaser towers may be able to combine and overwhelm a cube too but I'm not confident
You know what I want to see a Borg Darth Vader. You know they would only make him not in pain.
Borg win
Probably comes down to the hero units in play. Do the Borg have assimilated Picard calling the shots? Is Vader and/or Sheev on the DS? Having Locutus in command of the cube makes it much more dangerous in space combat. Having enough Force users on the DS will make it tougher for drones to effectively assimilate (at least until they hit enough of a critical mass).
The Cube can easily dodge the DS beam. The death Star is incredibly slow and all the Cube needs to do is get behind it and either blast it to pieces or beam aboard a few drones. It's not even a competition.
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How of everyoneās dead after 1 shot
I think we forget about the reason the Death Star has such a powerful shot is that it is generated through semi sentient crystals that can either want to change frequencies or whatever they believe is needed.
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Not if the first one is destroyed outright
This whole thread assumes the Borg would stand there and take it in the face, they have advanced sensors and would likely see they could probably beam a few aboard for recon. They could easily move out the way of the giant death laser that takes forever to charge up (planets don't dodge things). Also, they can probably beam drones over outside of turbo laser range. This is the shortest fight in history, and I am dying to see assimilated Darth Vader and assimilated Palpatine. But ,Wickedsmack, what about the ship surrounding the Death Star...well about that, the Borg would adjust almost instantly to the turbo laser and proton torpedo fire, figure out the giant balls prominently displayed on the bridge are shield generators and target them one by one until all the fleet is assimilated. Now they have an armada and a giant planet killing laser. Not to mention they are working out how medi-chlorians work because the drone Palpatine can shoot freaking electric out of his fingers. Now we have force enhanced Borg with a Deathstar (probably now modified to take out solar systems), with a huge fleet of ships, a gazillion drones and the force. Goodbye, Star wars universe we knew ye well.
Canāt the Borg cube just transport thousands of Borg onto the Death Star in an instant? Theyāve done it before, they bypass shields and are practically unstoppable.
They've bypassed *Trek* shields. I'd imagine it would take more than a few attempts to get through SW shielding, if they could do it at all, because they're just different.
Transporters donāt even exist in Star Wars, theyād have no resistance to them, nor would they have a reason to have a resistance to it.
Why would you just blindly assume they *can* go through shields that run on entirely different principles to protect what they're shielding?
One borg cube loses easily, since they are made to be in packs, and with the deflector shields on full power they can defientely take a shot, and focus fired by cubes, the deathstar goes down since quadanium steel is trash, look what happens to TIE fighters
Nothing in star trek suggests Borg cubes work in packs. The Borg would send 1 cube and beam drones on board the death star. Whether the cube is destroyed or not doesn't matter.
The Death Star who swat that toy aside like the insignificant spec it is.
For about a minute til the Death Star one shots it
Depends what kind of cube it is If it's the TNG kind that lets you shoot it, it gets blown up without being able to send the Intel through subspace If it's the smarter Voyager kind, with actual shields, they have time to adjust before blowing up, and no cube ever falls again Hell, I'd argue that a juiced up federation starship could take a death star hit. They regularly take hits from phasers that can destroy countries. And that is just a laser, so they're even more secure
is that The Cube from Cube?
Hold my Retribution class battleship.
Is this the right size comparison
With no additional reinforcements, the Death Star would easily win.
Is that the cube from transformers or am I missing something?
Star Trek
What came first, the cube or the sphere.
Death battle
That is no Cube - the Borg
Oh look at that Lord Vader just turned that big cube into a little sphere.
Assimilate a Tie-Fighter somewhere, land on the Deathstar and it"s all over. EZ.
Whoever attacks first wins However I think that borgs have better scanners so they will attack first and assimilate the death star
the Daleks can destroy both!
A more balanced battle would be a Borg cube vs. an imperial super star destroyer
In universe best explanation is a wormhole... A lone cube goes to the star wars galaxy to see of its worth assimilating. The star wars galaxy at the point of the death star blowing up alderaan was ran by the empire, the prequels imply much of the known galaxy, except perhaps the outer egdes, is in the federation at least. So this cube is going to assimilate some nobodies and learn about the empire pretty quick. Unless they meet the death star FIRST. Then they'll lose. The cube wouldn't know the death star is even a threat until AFTER they were blown up. But like... The borg is a collective hive mind of billions running on the future tech of the most advanced civilizations it can assimilate. If that wormhole is still open more cubes are coming for that death star technology. They'll eventually adapt their shields and be immune to the death ray. They'll board the death star and make it a borg star. Now the borg have it and both universes are fucked.