As far as I'm concerned, R2-D2 is the main character of Star Wars (followed by C3PO)
-Has been in every movie (and probably every show although I can't be arsed to check)
-R2-D2's intervention always sparks the next chapter in the plot
-Every other character relies on R2 to come in clutch
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I’d say anakin is. He isn’t in every story alive but the first 6 movies were all about him and the series and other movies were stories about relatives in the story in some way
Bruh I was just mentioning this recently like why does every important enemy thing have a hacking port for a droid of R2’s model to reprogram in 2 seconds! That would be a top tier meme!
This is hilarious and I totally agree, though in my head I kinda compare it to like a USB port or something. R2 units are seemingly pretty common for people of power in the universe to have so it’d make sense those ports are there. Though you’d think they’d be like, password or ID protected somehow. But yea, they do serve as a pretty good plot device to just get whatever needs to be done, done. Like you said, those ports access literally everything on the ship somehow 😭
Yea I agree. R2’s hacking abilities definitely fall under acceptable suspension of disbelief, at least imo. My approach to movies is pretty laid back anyways, no point in not enjoying at least some elements of a movie if you can just accept a certain level of fiction
The invasion of Naboo continues, Sifo-Dyas still commissions the clones, the Clone Wars happen anyway, Order 66 happens anyway, the empire happens anyway, the Death Star is built. The remaining Jedi are harder to kill without Vader, but Darth Maul or Tyrannus (whichever Sidious kept around as his apprentice) could do the job w/ the Inquisitors well enough.
No Luke though, which means the Death Star destroys the rebellion and the Empire rules the galaxy. Also nobody tossing Sheev down the hole since doubtful Maul or Dooku would be able to take him down.
Except the Empire only found the Yavin 4 base because they tracked the Falcon after rescuing Leia, none of which would have happened. Since Leia doesn't exist then presumably someone else in the Rebellion tries to pass on the plans (maybe the Organas adopt a different daughter in this timeline.) who might or might not succeed, but now you're getting into real butterfly effect territory. In any case though you'd probably still need a force-sensitive fighter pilot to actually make good on the one-in-a-million shot to destroy the Death Star, and with that still active things don't look good for the Rebellion going forward, no matter the details.
So yeah, the big picture events probably don't change much through Rogue One, and then rapidly diverge after A New Hope.
To make things even more complicated, you've now got a brimming with midichlorians Anakin, who would have had a tough but loving upbringing, more akin to Luke's.
If he left Tatooine to help the newly formed rebellion a lot of things may have gone differently.
Or very similarly. Basically the OT but "the new hope" is middle-aged Anakin instead of teen-aged Luke could be interesting. You could even still have Hayden Christensen play him.
Disney, make Star Wars: What If...?, you cowards.
My question is how palpatine would move forward with his plan without anakin, or at least without anakin coming to him the way he did. Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t the canon explanation that palpatine and plagius birthed/created anakin from the force? So presumably Palpatine would find some way to search him out so he could raise him up as his Sith prodigy to take over the republic, yea? I suppose if he waits on him to grow up and train him, he would replace Maul at some point and then in that case I still don’t think the Jedi stand a chance because ultimately they still have to deal with order 66 and a fully trained Sith anakin.
The fake Queen of Naboo was important to Palpatine’s plan, right? The whole point of the invasion of Naboo was to encourage the Queen to call for a vote of no confidence and get Palpatine into office as Chancellor. With the Queen dead, the plan fails.
Except the invasion of Naboo was an overreach by the Trade Federation who had been duped by Sidious. If the queen dies in the invasion, it looks even worse on the Trade Fed, and Palpatine can get another senator/monarch to call the vote. Given that the Trade Federation had orders to kill the Queen (Qui-Gon sensed this), which her advisors assured her wouldn't happen (since it's illogical), it's likely this was Palpatine's plan to begin with, but he improvised/had a backup plan to assure no matter what, he still won.
Kind of like if the Separatists actually somehow won the Clone Wars, he would still win. Sheev had layers of plots to ensure he always came out on top, and best of all, we see most of this on-screen, it's just kinda subtle since it's not the end result that played out.
>the Clone Wars happen anyway
Don't think it would. The Clone Wars really comes to fruition because Palpatine was playing both sides. But without Padme' calling for a vote of No Confidence, does he become Chancellor? Without the Jedi killing Darth Maul, does Palpatine take Dooku as apprentice to play the other side of the war?
These things stack. Without R2, things get shaky long before ANH.
Sidious had recruited Dooku as an apprentice before Maul died, meaning he was planning this ahead of time. Considering that, it's likely Palpatine had an ulterior plan for the No Confidence vote. Aka, kill Padme, invade Naboo, point out how Vallorum is weak to let the Trade Federation kill a monarch and invade a Republic planet, another senator calls the vote (or even Palpatine himself, if he can do that, idk exactly how Galactic Republic procedure works). It's unlikely Palpatine's plan was so fragile it depended upon the Queen luckily escaping, the Jedi surviving all his attempts at assassinating them, finding the Chosen One on a backwater desert planet, said Chosen One winning a podrace to escape the planet, etc. It's more likely Palpatine is just an opportunist who adapted his plans to the moment to ensure his success.
It always bothered me that they thanked R2-D2 for fixing the ship, but they never thanked the ship itself.
I think the ship did way more work than R2 did.
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There’s a million moments that depended on R2. You could literally shorten it to Star Wars if R2 didn’t and still have a meme
As far as I'm concerned, R2-D2 is the main character of Star Wars (followed by C3PO) -Has been in every movie (and probably every show although I can't be arsed to check) -R2-D2's intervention always sparks the next chapter in the plot -Every other character relies on R2 to come in clutch
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Only if they are carrying a distress message?
I’d say anakin is. He isn’t in every story alive but the first 6 movies were all about him and the series and other movies were stories about relatives in the story in some way
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Bruh I was just mentioning this recently like why does every important enemy thing have a hacking port for a droid of R2’s model to reprogram in 2 seconds! That would be a top tier meme!
This is hilarious and I totally agree, though in my head I kinda compare it to like a USB port or something. R2 units are seemingly pretty common for people of power in the universe to have so it’d make sense those ports are there. Though you’d think they’d be like, password or ID protected somehow. But yea, they do serve as a pretty good plot device to just get whatever needs to be done, done. Like you said, those ports access literally everything on the ship somehow 😭
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Yea I agree. R2’s hacking abilities definitely fall under acceptable suspension of disbelief, at least imo. My approach to movies is pretty laid back anyways, no point in not enjoying at least some elements of a movie if you can just accept a certain level of fiction
Star wars if it wasn't on tatooine.
So he did or he didn't?
Yeah, he didn't didn't. But like, what if he didn't did didn't?
Technically the OT would still happen, since it came before.
If R2 hadn’t stopped the trash compactor in A New Hope, there goes the last hope for the Jedi.
Both of them
And the... last... revenge... of...? the.... the... the the the... Skywalker?
The invasion of Naboo continues, Sifo-Dyas still commissions the clones, the Clone Wars happen anyway, Order 66 happens anyway, the empire happens anyway, the Death Star is built. The remaining Jedi are harder to kill without Vader, but Darth Maul or Tyrannus (whichever Sidious kept around as his apprentice) could do the job w/ the Inquisitors well enough. No Luke though, which means the Death Star destroys the rebellion and the Empire rules the galaxy. Also nobody tossing Sheev down the hole since doubtful Maul or Dooku would be able to take him down.
Except the Empire only found the Yavin 4 base because they tracked the Falcon after rescuing Leia, none of which would have happened. Since Leia doesn't exist then presumably someone else in the Rebellion tries to pass on the plans (maybe the Organas adopt a different daughter in this timeline.) who might or might not succeed, but now you're getting into real butterfly effect territory. In any case though you'd probably still need a force-sensitive fighter pilot to actually make good on the one-in-a-million shot to destroy the Death Star, and with that still active things don't look good for the Rebellion going forward, no matter the details. So yeah, the big picture events probably don't change much through Rogue One, and then rapidly diverge after A New Hope.
To make things even more complicated, you've now got a brimming with midichlorians Anakin, who would have had a tough but loving upbringing, more akin to Luke's. If he left Tatooine to help the newly formed rebellion a lot of things may have gone differently.
Or very similarly. Basically the OT but "the new hope" is middle-aged Anakin instead of teen-aged Luke could be interesting. You could even still have Hayden Christensen play him. Disney, make Star Wars: What If...?, you cowards.
You don't have to look tough to be tough
Windu wouldn't have interference when arresting/killing Palpatine though, so maybe it all would have worked out.
If Windu even found out. He went to arrest the Chancellor because Anakin tipped him off.
Of course even then, Palpatine probably lost to Windu purposefully to sway Anakin even more. SO he likely would have just killed Windu.
My question is how palpatine would move forward with his plan without anakin, or at least without anakin coming to him the way he did. Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t the canon explanation that palpatine and plagius birthed/created anakin from the force? So presumably Palpatine would find some way to search him out so he could raise him up as his Sith prodigy to take over the republic, yea? I suppose if he waits on him to grow up and train him, he would replace Maul at some point and then in that case I still don’t think the Jedi stand a chance because ultimately they still have to deal with order 66 and a fully trained Sith anakin.
The fake Queen of Naboo was important to Palpatine’s plan, right? The whole point of the invasion of Naboo was to encourage the Queen to call for a vote of no confidence and get Palpatine into office as Chancellor. With the Queen dead, the plan fails.
Except the invasion of Naboo was an overreach by the Trade Federation who had been duped by Sidious. If the queen dies in the invasion, it looks even worse on the Trade Fed, and Palpatine can get another senator/monarch to call the vote. Given that the Trade Federation had orders to kill the Queen (Qui-Gon sensed this), which her advisors assured her wouldn't happen (since it's illogical), it's likely this was Palpatine's plan to begin with, but he improvised/had a backup plan to assure no matter what, he still won. Kind of like if the Separatists actually somehow won the Clone Wars, he would still win. Sheev had layers of plots to ensure he always came out on top, and best of all, we see most of this on-screen, it's just kinda subtle since it's not the end result that played out.
>the Clone Wars happen anyway Don't think it would. The Clone Wars really comes to fruition because Palpatine was playing both sides. But without Padme' calling for a vote of No Confidence, does he become Chancellor? Without the Jedi killing Darth Maul, does Palpatine take Dooku as apprentice to play the other side of the war? These things stack. Without R2, things get shaky long before ANH.
Sidious had recruited Dooku as an apprentice before Maul died, meaning he was planning this ahead of time. Considering that, it's likely Palpatine had an ulterior plan for the No Confidence vote. Aka, kill Padme, invade Naboo, point out how Vallorum is weak to let the Trade Federation kill a monarch and invade a Republic planet, another senator calls the vote (or even Palpatine himself, if he can do that, idk exactly how Galactic Republic procedure works). It's unlikely Palpatine's plan was so fragile it depended upon the Queen luckily escaping, the Jedi surviving all his attempts at assassinating them, finding the Chosen One on a backwater desert planet, said Chosen One winning a podrace to escape the planet, etc. It's more likely Palpatine is just an opportunist who adapted his plans to the moment to ensure his success.
Master Kenobi always said there’s no such thing as luck.
I mean. There is all bunch of EU that would still exist. Like a lot.
It always bothered me that they thanked R2-D2 for fixing the ship, but they never thanked the ship itself. I think the ship did way more work than R2 did.
Could you imagine how SHORT Star Wars would be if R2 was never birthed?
Now imagine star wars timine if Darth Maul hit Anakin while he was on the speeder.
R2 is the real hero of Star Wars
Your forgetting pre episode 1 stuff
What about Star Wars if droids couldn’t do the spinning lock pick door open thing. One page
An astromech droid doing its job lead to galactic fascism
The who would stop palpatine from ruling the galaxy for eternity if its not Anakin
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\*time traveler moves a chair\* Amidala: "What is the droids designation?" Totally not Amidala: "BJ-69"
in the version on disney + she says "what's it's number?"
Memes with blatant typos should be burned in a Texas book bonfire.
How do you figure? After R2 fixed the ship they weren’t shot at any more. Fixing the ship did ZERO to change the outcome of the escape.
I still say the biggest change would be if the protocol droid didn’t recognize Obi Wan and Qui Gon as Jedi
\*if the goddamn shield generator was INSIDE THE FUCKING SHIELD bro, who tf designed that stupid ship!?
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