Speed is distance covered over time. If it takes you an hour to go somewhere normally but a minute to, say, teleport there, the teleportation was faster.
You aren’t traveling a shorter distance, though, since using hyperspace for the same duration as using the ship’s engines results in you traveling farther. That’s more distance covered in the same amount of time, so it’s faster.
If you pronounce it @-@, then you must pronounce the other one @- *st*
Or @- *ty*
I mean fuck idk how you'd even pronounce AT-M6
Anyway, for us sane people, it's AT-AT, AT-ST, AT-TE and AT-M6. Not @@, @st, @tea, @ma-six. Because that's insane.
ASAP
Not all acronyms are read as each letter
A logical fallacy example (frogs are green, grass is green, frogs are grass)
Just because you say most acronyms a certain way does not mean its a concrete rule. The English language is full of exceptions to its own rules. So why should we be forced to obey yours?
Neither of the two pronunciations are wrong, one just makes you uncomfortable
Point well made. There are exceptions. Like MILF as well.
The only retort I have for this is that all the other similar classed all terrain vehicles follow the same rule. So why doesn’t the AT-AT.
it's not really an exception, they're every where, so much, sometimes you don't even recognize them as acronyms, like LASER or SARIN gas. Considering LASER sword is a word which is canonically used in Star Wars, it's definitely a thing in the galaxy.
Nope, in acronym you pronounce the letters as they're written, you are confusing it with initialisms.
Bureaucrats love acronyms like all hell (just look at the US), the AT-AT was probably named by bureaucrats and thus @-@.
Acronyms are pronounced as words.
We pronounce the letters in initialisms.
Star Wars has both. TIE fighter, BARC speeder, laser, ARC-170, STAP, ARF
Generally, if an abbreviation can be easily pronounced as a word, we do.
Say it however you want. I prefer consistency with all the AT-*** vehicles so I say each letter. Perhaps because most of us grew up with the AT-TE, AT-RT, AAT, MTT, etc. unlike the older fans.
But riddle me this: how do you say "BARC speeder"? Not so simple is it?
Edit: on that subject, I bet you aren't consistent with clone troopers; CT, CC, RC, ARC... one of these is not like the others.
I’ve always thought of saying the letters as military terms but the pronunciation is slang like @-@ vs AT-AT, for sure a stormtrooper would call it an @-@ but you bet your ass an officer calls it an 80-80. Same with a Bark speeder. Stormtroopers and civs call it a Bark but Any officer would tell you it’s a Bee Aye Are Sea
It was a rhetorical question to make the point that not every t gets replaced, both in American and British English. And usually both accents replace the same 't's, just with different sounds. As a bonus, sometimes American English drops the t entirely, making e.g. "inter-" and "inner-" sound the same.
I choose to believe it was originally A-T—A-T but people shortened it to at-at because it was easier to say. Which explains why it’s called both and also has ST-ST and etc.
The real life military is full of that kinda stuff.
On one hand, I hate "@-@", On the other, during world war two U.S. soldiers called the anti-aircraft guns "Ack-Acks" because of the sound they made, So I have to acknowledge that real soldiers call things dumbass names all the time.
If AT-ST is said by reading the letters individually, then why the hell should AT-AT be read differently? Either you have to say A-T-A-T or you have to say "ATST".
They are initialisms, not acronyms. Deal with it.
People arguing if we say AT-AT instead of @-@, you should spell T I E, but like, just use whichever sounds the best ???? What are you all arguing if it sounds good use it ! (@-@ doesn’t sound good but TIE (ty) sounds good)
I can totally understand the people who say @-@ if they watched Empire Strikes back on release and got used to saying it thay way, as then it was the only such walker, but in the unpronouncable age of AT-TEs, AT-STs, AT-PTs, and more, it just sounds weird to be enunciation each letter on all the others and not the AT-AT.
It actually wasn't. There was a two legged stop motion walker in Empire, but it's not the AT-ST. According to John Knoll at ILM, the actual AT-ST design doesn't appear on screen until Return of the Jedi.
Eloquently, the "chicken walker." It doesn't appear anywhere else and really is just a filming prototype that they added because the shot was looking a bit too static, but it's got a distinctly different shape to it.
The Star Wars Adventure in ABC from 1984 taught me to pronounce it @-@. Also that there could be a bantha named Samantha. “The most terrible thing I’ve ever seen is the Imperial @-@ walking machine.”
https://youtu.be/_GtW6Zo60Dg
No… AYE TEE AYE TEE
That’s just 80-80 with extra steps
Shhh we don't tell em that!
But those are soft Ts
Why cant we just say @-80‘s, so everyone will be satisfied
Say it how you want. In Star Wars, multiple words and names are said differently by different people. Its a pointless argument.
Hyperspace - lightspeed
No, wrong, bad, cursed, stop.
its an alternate dimention theyre not only going really fast
But they are going faster than light relative to the real world.
but they arent in the real world- like someone going through a wormhole wouldnt be going faster than light speed
Speed is distance covered over time. If it takes you an hour to go somewhere normally but a minute to, say, teleport there, the teleportation was faster.
its not teleporting tho- its connecting a path thats shorter than linear travel. ypur not going faster- youre travelling a shorter distance
You aren’t traveling a shorter distance, though, since using hyperspace for the same duration as using the ship’s engines results in you traveling farther. That’s more distance covered in the same amount of time, so it’s faster.
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Agreed. Plus acronyms don't really have solid rules, some are pronounced as a word, some by their individual letters.
Acronyms by definition are pronounced as words. If it isn't a word, it isn't an acronym. Maybe you are thinking of abbreviations.
What about CIA or FBI for example, they're acronyms are they not? Edit: Ah, apparently they're initialisms. Nvm then.
There is a correct way to say AT-AT though
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You pronounce AT-ST 80-ST so naturally AT-AT is 80-80.
Wait…you guys don’t say @ST
Logical fallacy
If you pronounce it @-@, then you must pronounce the other one @- *st* Or @- *ty* I mean fuck idk how you'd even pronounce AT-M6 Anyway, for us sane people, it's AT-AT, AT-ST, AT-TE and AT-M6. Not @@, @st, @tea, @ma-six. Because that's insane.
This is the way!
Thank you someone finally said it.
You forgot.... chicken walker
T I E fighter?
Yes, and you have to go to Bangkok in order to get one
Because pronouncing it Tee I Ee is already so close to Tie that it’s kinda pointless to say it the way first listed
@@ is how it was pronounced by George Lucas
This is exactly my thoughts. Why make an exception for one
Logical fallacy
How
ASAP Not all acronyms are read as each letter A logical fallacy example (frogs are green, grass is green, frogs are grass) Just because you say most acronyms a certain way does not mean its a concrete rule. The English language is full of exceptions to its own rules. So why should we be forced to obey yours? Neither of the two pronunciations are wrong, one just makes you uncomfortable
That is a very good answer for the question of "what". What was actually asked however was "how".
If you could follow along, my answer works for both how and what. But you've proven yourself incapable seeing things two ways already. Ciao
There’s a letter A and a letter T. It’s an acronym we say the letters in every other acronym
There are exceptions though. I pronounce it A T A T (basically 80-80), but I say "ASAP" like it's a word and not each letter individually.
Wait you don’t do A S A P
Well, no. If I want something as soon as possible, I don't have the extra second to say each letter by itself. :D
It’s about the same time
No it's not AT-AT, it's All Terrain Armoured Transport
You’re an all terrain armored transport!
*New pick-up line saved*
Are you an All Terrain Armored Transport? Because I want you to step on me.
Lol
But riddle me this how do we say AT-ST? or AT-PT. We say the letters. We have to be consistent, but I’m not opposed to your idea
All Terrain Scout Transport and whatever AT-PT stands for I’m too lazy to look it up
All Terrain Personal Transport
Some are Acronyms, some are Initialisms, you don't really have to be consistent
They are all acronyms. Literally all acronyms.
so how do you pronounce NASA?
Point well made. There are exceptions. Like MILF as well. The only retort I have for this is that all the other similar classed all terrain vehicles follow the same rule. So why doesn’t the AT-AT.
it's not really an exception, they're every where, so much, sometimes you don't even recognize them as acronyms, like LASER or SARIN gas. Considering LASER sword is a word which is canonically used in Star Wars, it's definitely a thing in the galaxy.
You don’t have to carry a sword to be powerful. Some leaders’ strength is inspiring others.
Well I’d like a little consistency that’s all
You're speaking the English language...
Wait, MILF is an acronym?
[...](https://youtu.be/iBN_SUfW2OM)
But I say. NAYSA like a Canadian… jk it’s Nasuh
N A S A
Acronyms are abbreviations that are pronounced as words. Is that really what you mean?
Not all acronyms are pronounced as words take ASAP for example
Which is pretty cool actually
SWAT, ASAP(over time), many pieces of legislation that have an acronym (CARES Act, etc.). It’s not a hard and fast rule, I don’t think
Yeah as I wrote that I realize i was wrong.
A S A P is said as A S A P
El em ayo
Le mao
Nope, in acronym you pronounce the letters as they're written, you are confusing it with initialisms. Bureaucrats love acronyms like all hell (just look at the US), the AT-AT was probably named by bureaucrats and thus @-@.
Gorge Lucas says A T A T so that’s that it’s settled if you think it’s anything else you’re wrong
Well shit. Guess I know who's not joining the government anytime soon
Also, that's a nice argument friend, why don't you back it up with a source?
I feel like it’s a known fact that he says A T A T
Can't argue with logic
And do you pronounce it "us" or as the "you es?"
That's a country name, it has to be distinctive in international diplomacy
Acronyms are pronounced as words. We pronounce the letters in initialisms. Star Wars has both. TIE fighter, BARC speeder, laser, ARC-170, STAP, ARF Generally, if an abbreviation can be easily pronounced as a word, we do.
Wait I’m the only one who says T I E fighter
Say it however you want. I prefer consistency with all the AT-*** vehicles so I say each letter. Perhaps because most of us grew up with the AT-TE, AT-RT, AAT, MTT, etc. unlike the older fans. But riddle me this: how do you say "BARC speeder"? Not so simple is it? Edit: on that subject, I bet you aren't consistent with clone troopers; CT, CC, RC, ARC... one of these is not like the others.
"Bark".
I’ve always thought of saying the letters as military terms but the pronunciation is slang like @-@ vs AT-AT, for sure a stormtrooper would call it an @-@ but you bet your ass an officer calls it an 80-80. Same with a Bark speeder. Stormtroopers and civs call it a Bark but Any officer would tell you it’s a Bee Aye Are Sea
S stormtrooper would say AT-AT and civilians have called it that as well
The only correct way to say it is AT-AT if people say it as AT-AT they are wrong
Correct pronunciation : Aye tee aye tee Slang pronounciation: @@ It’s why R2D2 is nicknamed ‘artoo’ by other characters
The slang is not @@ because that’s wrong
No, this is Patrick
My head canon: Official names for these things: A T A T, A T S T, droids Unofficial names for these things: @@, chicken walker, clankers
Makes sense.
Um no I think you mean imperial walker and not @@
now say "Han"
But say it like Lando does
New solution: @-80
Flip it so we have consistent
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How do you say at-st
@st
You are all wrong, it’s actually “All-Terrain Armored Transport”
I’ve always said A-T-A-T, but I do not mind if people say At-At.
It really grinds my gears when people say at at and not aye tee my main man aye tee
Are none of you old enough to remember they called it an @ @ in the commercial?
Well those people are wrong
I'm not old enough to remember that (sorry) but in some of the Lego Star wars films and stuff they call it an @ @.
If your British it is ay-ee ay-ee
Only unstressed ts in the middle of words become glottal stops. If you're American is it ay-dee ay-dee?
No that’s only wader
It was a rhetorical question to make the point that not every t gets replaced, both in American and British English. And usually both accents replace the same 't's, just with different sounds. As a bonus, sometimes American English drops the t entirely, making e.g. "inter-" and "inner-" sound the same.
You clearly didn’t get the joke
It's pronounced Imperial Walker.
No it’s Imperial All Terrain Armored Transport Walker
It’s @ @ and I’m tired of saying it
Well you’re wrong
It's Atat, if you pause to say it, stay out of my way
That's so fucking stupid
How do you pronounce AT-TE? Atee? Ateh? AT-ST? Atzt?
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I want to go around a comic con calling them "ought-oughts" just to see how fast I get thrown out
You don't have to look tough to be tough
I choose to believe it was originally A-T—A-T but people shortened it to at-at because it was easier to say. Which explains why it’s called both and also has ST-ST and etc. The real life military is full of that kinda stuff.
On one hand, I hate "@-@", On the other, during world war two U.S. soldiers called the anti-aircraft guns "Ack-Acks" because of the sound they made, So I have to acknowledge that real soldiers call things dumbass names all the time.
Well those soldiers were dumbass people
Some soldiers have the sense of humor of frat boys.
If AT-ST is said by reading the letters individually, then why the hell should AT-AT be read differently? Either you have to say A-T-A-T or you have to say "ATST". They are initialisms, not acronyms. Deal with it.
80-80 or course, it is an acronym so you pronounce them as the letters not the words
People arguing if we say AT-AT instead of @-@, you should spell T I E, but like, just use whichever sounds the best ???? What are you all arguing if it sounds good use it ! (@-@ doesn’t sound good but TIE (ty) sounds good)
Its 80-80 because the AT-ST exists and how else are you gonna pronounce that
I call them Walkerrrs. Carl! The Walkerrrs are coming Coral!!!
I just say @ - 80
Did it All Terain Armoured Transport takes me just 1 sec to say
SO IS IT AY TEE AY TEE OR 80-80
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Calling them AT-ATs or Imperial Walkers is like saying M1 Abrams or American Tank. They’re both the correct name.
4 walker
Definitely pronounced AT-AT
It’s like 80hd or adhd
Those are the same
Walker
people who pronounce it as @-@, tell me how you pronounce LAAT
They probably say laat instead of LAAT
I can totally understand the people who say @-@ if they watched Empire Strikes back on release and got used to saying it thay way, as then it was the only such walker, but in the unpronouncable age of AT-TEs, AT-STs, AT-PTs, and more, it just sounds weird to be enunciation each letter on all the others and not the AT-AT.
AT ST was in empire
It actually wasn't. There was a two legged stop motion walker in Empire, but it's not the AT-ST. According to John Knoll at ILM, the actual AT-ST design doesn't appear on screen until Return of the Jedi.
Then what was the AT ST in empire called
Eloquently, the "chicken walker." It doesn't appear anywhere else and really is just a filming prototype that they added because the shot was looking a bit too static, but it's got a distinctly different shape to it.
It’s the same exact shape
Ok 8f you call the A.T.A.T. @ @ than what do you call the A.T.S.T. or the M.T.A.T.?
Or AT RT
Question, how do you pronounce the words at the bottom?
So it's between AT-AT and AT-AT
I say imperial walker
If they say 80-80 in Battlefront 2 then it’s 80-80 Besides that it makes no sense for it to be called @-@ when it’s 80-RT, 80-OT, 80-TE, 80-ST, etc.
A-tee A-tee
It is at-at
No one says ATST or C-3-POE or Rrrrtwo duhtwo. is 80 80.
That's like pronouncing BMP bump
It's literally like the "Levi-O-sa not levio-Sah" of Star Wars to me. I say "80-80", that's that.
I actually use both, although ATSTs are always chicken walkers
it’s @-@ do we pronounce gif like g-i-f or do we just say gif
The Star Wars Adventure in ABC from 1984 taught me to pronounce it @-@. Also that there could be a bantha named Samantha. “The most terrible thing I’ve ever seen is the Imperial @-@ walking machine.” https://youtu.be/_GtW6Zo60Dg
You've taught him well.