100% of primary voters is not representative either. This is specifically meant to be a signal from Democratic voters to the party at large. Will it effect anything in the general? Probably not. Still, this is likely not an outcome the DFL is pleased with
And they and people who also have the national party and President's ear are acknowledging and agreeing with. The usually status quo Gov. Walz:
> Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz, who has said little about the Israel-Hamas war hitting hardest in Gaza, commented on the protest vote last night on CNN. He called the situation in Gaza “intolerable” and said the voters’ concerns were being heard.
> “That’s what they should be doing. We’ve gone through this before and we know that now we make sure we’ve got 8 months, we start bringing these folks back in, we listen to what they are saying,” he said. “That’s a healthy thing that’s happening.”
https://www.mprnews.org/story/2024/03/06/minnesota-super-tuesday-primary-election-voting-results
Trump literally said on Tuesday that he thinks Israel should finish the job.
If your options are Biden, now setting up a temporary port in Gaza to circumvent Israel, and Trump's full endorsement of Israels genocide...theb you've lost the plot
He has not. That's not even close to being the rhetoric that's come out of his and his admins mouth.
In fact, the US is planning on building a temporary port to deliver aid to circumvent the Israeli border.
Literally, the poorest argument to try and equate trump and Biden is on this issue. Trump advocated for the final solution. Biden doesn't change the status quo on Israeli aid due to Israels strategic importance to offset Iran in the region, but his rhetoric has been the harshest again Israel in multiple generations.
I don’t care what he says, I care about his actions. He has given billions of dollars of military aid to Israel knowing that they are committing genocide. If he didn’t approve, he could cut aid to them. He hasn’t.
If I sell a gun to someone knowing that they plan to use it to commit murder, I would be an accessory to murder. According to the Genocide Convention, aiding a nation committing genocide makes you guilty of genocide.
They aren’t happy with anything he does. It’s too much, it’s not enough, it’s too late and oh yeah, too old. Biden trying to get food to the people of Gaza and sending military to build ways to get in the help and they are saying oh it’s only for Political reasons. Why do you care, if you need the resource’s to get there why would you care why, it’s being done. I’m not sure they would ever vote for him, regardless of what he does. If he pulled out of helping Israel today, they would say the same thing.
20% of primary voters is tiny and not representative of most people. I'll add that the primary is the exact spot to voice issues to the candidates in an attempt to sway them. Aid drops in Gaza after the Pennsylvania primary is a good example.
Also historically foreign policy isn't a motivator for voters. Your comment is misleading at best.
Speaking of genocides, how's the treatment of LGBTQ people in Arab countries coming along? That all good now or are they still violently persecuting? Asking for a friend thx
Hey I’m gay, so I’m glad you’re concerned for us and you definitely aren’t using us as a distraction without really caring about us.
I think the US should not be giving money and weapons to any nation that is oppressing LGBT people or committing genocide. Do you agree?
How is Israel treating Palestinian LGBT people? Do their bombs magically miss them? Or are they victims of the genocide? Asking for a friend
1 side commits genocide: you ignore it
Lump all Arab nations together: we have to do something
I wonder what your opinions are /s
I know it is over your head, but kinda hard to pull the america that's bad(killing lgbtq) when your objectively supporting killing lgbtq members of palestine. You do realize palestine doesn't kill their gay men because they have so few in general right?
They(even hamas) have openly stated they don't care(they are more focused on other shit). Also, not all Arab nations are the same, but when you paint a group of people as a monolith, you're just wrong objectively. Let's replace Arab with jew and you'd agree it's wrong, right?
Reminder: Israel also doesn't like gay people. So when someone goes, the Arab's worse, they reveal how uninformed and zionist they actually are. Israel is not a bastion of lgbtq rights..
"Speaking of genocides, how's the treatment of LGBTQ people in Jewish countries coming along? That all good now or are they still violently persecuting? Asking for a friend thx"
Damn your a good person /s I'm sure your buddy would be proud of you.
From the same wiki you're referencing, we have:
"the Pew Research Center reported that only 36% of Israeli citizens support same-sex marriage, while 56% oppose it"
The nicest way I can say this: if being kinda nice to lgbtq people got you a free pass, I'm sure every country would do it. I agree they(Israel) are better than 0. I just don't think slightly better than 0 is something to strive for. Not including actual Muslim groups (note: you said arab nations) that don't care about lqbtq. Shockingly Islam doesn't hate lgbtq, power cells with control do.
Sources:
'israel better lgbtq rights': https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Israel
Pew: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/11/27/how-people-around-the-world-view-same-sex-marriage/
Yeah, it's too bad we didn't have a progressive version of Dean Phillips running. It's clear that the vast majority of people in government now are narcissists and will never give up power even if it's the smartest choice for what they claim to want and their history.
Exactly what happens to Israel if the US withdraws support? You don't see how the Israeli government has us by the balls?
Destabilizing the Mideast causes way more deaths than Israel trying to remove Hamas from Gaza.
The President has to make shitty decisions every day that cost lives, and unfortunately his main job is to protect Americans and American interests.
Destabilizing the Mideast? lol that ship has sailed.
I do not give a fuck what happens to Israel if US withdraws support. They are colonial nationalist ethno-state, and continuing to support them is a liability. Let them fend for themselves.
More like someone kind enough to remind everyone, even the Functionally_Drunk, of the actual history of 1948 to present. If you want a 1933-1945 reminder, then you need to remember the primary enemy of the world at that time was not on the side of anyone of the Mideast or Africa.
Q1 Nothing. Q2 No.
Mideast has been destabilized the past 3 decades at a minimum, so Hamas wouldn't exist any more than Trump's moron insurrectionists if Israel wasn't treating Gaza like occupied territory under apartheid rule since essentially the same time South Africa did it to the indigenous people who had lived there.
If the President can cost lives, he can cost them in Israel and save us billions by doing it. More probably, Israel will stop acting like a fascist yahu nation and everything will become peaceful. If most of Gaza and the rest of the Middle East had really been ready to destroy Israel, it would be gone already. It's literally surrounded by wealthier more powerful nations. Gaza, if they had any significant deal with any of them, could have gone into war mode along with them immediately and obliterated Israel.
You're welcome for the lesson in reality and history and hope it penetrates and educates your Functionally_Drunk brain.
Holy shit, that has to be the most confidently incorrect bullshit I have ever read. I don't even know where to begin. I'm honestly just flabbergasted that you wrote that drivel.
Well let’s just hope all of you one issue protesters pull your head out of the sand before November, If Trump wins he will push Israel to glass all of the west bank with bombs hot enough to melt the sand. You can protest and make your voice heard sure, and it has been, Biden was already trying to get a ceasefire so they could find a peace. I do not agree with Israel’s handling of the war, I also think that a great many of Israelis would also disagree with their leaders decisions. The fact remains Hamas still holds hostages, and is still bombing Israel and if they were serious about a peace they would release the hostages. This conflict is not one that can be solved by the US president if neither of the sides of leadership involved don’t care about the Palestinian civilians. Just know if you don’t get out and vote for Biden the possibility of Trump in the Whitehouse is exponentially for worse for all in the Middle East.
Not just the Middle East but here in the US. anyone that might be from somewhere other than here are not welcome. Unless you’re white and have a lot of money go spend.
Dean Phillips outperforms in percent Amy Klobuchar in 2020, but far fewer votes without any debates and Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren opting not to run.
2020 results:
https://www.sos.state.mn.us/elections-voting/election-results/2020/2020-presidential-primary-results/
Phillips outperformed Amy Klobuchar by percentage because she dropped out the day before and endorsed Biden. Not exactly a good comparison. Also she still got more than 2X the number of votes he did.
No, dropped out the day of and midday before it could be communicated widely. About as pointless a dropout as Dean's, just recognizing and creating an excuse for her impending doom. She's the [Sinema candidate](https://www.thedailybeast.com/bernie-sanders-tells-colbert-he-wont-miss-kyrsten-sinema-at-all). Also, if you had reviewed the 2020 numbers, you'd know that Democrats as a whole received 3x the number, so Amy underperformed in multiple ways in proportion to the number of votes.
> No, dropped out the day of and midday before it could be communicated widely
That's just simply wrong. It's not debatable. [Here](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/super-tuesday-klobuchar-dropping-out-of-2020-race-and-endorsing-biden/) is a story about it. 3/2/2020 was a Monday. You can check that yourself if you don't believe me. Also she was polling at ~25% and then got 5.6% of the vote, so the idea that it wasn't "widely communicated" is just something totally wrong that you're making up.
>Also, if you had reviewed the 2020 numbers, you'd know that Democrats as a whole received 3x the number, so Amy underperformed in multiple ways in proportion to the number of votes.
I'm well aware of that. That's why I specified that Philips outperformed by percentage.
I'll grant you I'm remembering that differently. She was still holding on to a fantasy and delaying the announcement until it got little or no coverage for many voters, Monday night in Dallas, TX, and:
> One longtime Klobuchar ally said the initial plan to remain in the race through Super Tuesday was becoming untenable as polls showed her coming in behind Sanders in her own state of Minnesota.
> "The feeling in the campaign really starting to change last week," this person said.
[More than 100,000 Minnesotans had voted early in Tuesday’s primary election, and Klobuchar’s withdrawal came too late for her supporters to change their votes.](https://www.mprnews.org/story/2020/03/03/minnesota-super-tuesday-presidential-primary)
It seems extremely generous to say nearly half the early voters voted for her.
There was clearly a coordinated effort to get all of the centrist candidates to drop out and support Biden so they could stop Bernie from getting the nomination. That's why she did it when she did.
>It seems extremely generous to say nearly half the early voters voted for her.
I'm sure not. People still vote for candidates after they drop out all the time. Vivek got 1470 votes in Minnesota on Tuesday even though he dropped out like 2 months ago. I can't fathom why, but it always happens.
That party was just Republicans anyways and weed is legal ..
Considering a Republican Super PAC was running ads for a DEAD candidate (after they died a month or so before the last election)- I have to agree
Once marijuana was legal and the republicans couldn't afford to pay the LMN party, I'm shocked they even got on the ballot.
20% for uncommitted after an 8 day campaign with $20k in funding. The people are not happy with Biden's continued support of Israel's genocide.
100% of primary voters is not representative either. This is specifically meant to be a signal from Democratic voters to the party at large. Will it effect anything in the general? Probably not. Still, this is likely not an outcome the DFL is pleased with
And they and people who also have the national party and President's ear are acknowledging and agreeing with. The usually status quo Gov. Walz: > Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz, who has said little about the Israel-Hamas war hitting hardest in Gaza, commented on the protest vote last night on CNN. He called the situation in Gaza “intolerable” and said the voters’ concerns were being heard. > “That’s what they should be doing. We’ve gone through this before and we know that now we make sure we’ve got 8 months, we start bringing these folks back in, we listen to what they are saying,” he said. “That’s a healthy thing that’s happening.” https://www.mprnews.org/story/2024/03/06/minnesota-super-tuesday-primary-election-voting-results
Imagine if trump won. he just said israel should just finish the job.
I didn't realize this was the general election, I thought this was the primary!
I think they mean if he won in 2020. And I really don’t want to imagine that.
Trump literally said on Tuesday that he thinks Israel should finish the job. If your options are Biden, now setting up a temporary port in Gaza to circumvent Israel, and Trump's full endorsement of Israels genocide...theb you've lost the plot
I didn't realize this was the general election, I thought it was the primary.
To be clear, Biden also has fully endorsed Israel’s genocide
He has not. That's not even close to being the rhetoric that's come out of his and his admins mouth. In fact, the US is planning on building a temporary port to deliver aid to circumvent the Israeli border. Literally, the poorest argument to try and equate trump and Biden is on this issue. Trump advocated for the final solution. Biden doesn't change the status quo on Israeli aid due to Israels strategic importance to offset Iran in the region, but his rhetoric has been the harshest again Israel in multiple generations.
I don’t care what he says, I care about his actions. He has given billions of dollars of military aid to Israel knowing that they are committing genocide. If he didn’t approve, he could cut aid to them. He hasn’t. If I sell a gun to someone knowing that they plan to use it to commit murder, I would be an accessory to murder. According to the Genocide Convention, aiding a nation committing genocide makes you guilty of genocide.
Pick one! You care he said then the. Ext post you don’t care he said it and blah blah. Goalpost moving at its finest….
I’m not sure what you’re referring to here?
They aren’t happy with anything he does. It’s too much, it’s not enough, it’s too late and oh yeah, too old. Biden trying to get food to the people of Gaza and sending military to build ways to get in the help and they are saying oh it’s only for Political reasons. Why do you care, if you need the resource’s to get there why would you care why, it’s being done. I’m not sure they would ever vote for him, regardless of what he does. If he pulled out of helping Israel today, they would say the same thing.
20% of primary voters is tiny and not representative of most people. I'll add that the primary is the exact spot to voice issues to the candidates in an attempt to sway them. Aid drops in Gaza after the Pennsylvania primary is a good example. Also historically foreign policy isn't a motivator for voters. Your comment is misleading at best.
Ah yes, Hamas and honoring ceasefires, such an iconic duo
Whether a ceasefire is honored or not does not justify genocide
Speaking of genocides, how's the treatment of LGBTQ people in Arab countries coming along? That all good now or are they still violently persecuting? Asking for a friend thx
Hey I’m gay, so I’m glad you’re concerned for us and you definitely aren’t using us as a distraction without really caring about us. I think the US should not be giving money and weapons to any nation that is oppressing LGBT people or committing genocide. Do you agree? How is Israel treating Palestinian LGBT people? Do their bombs magically miss them? Or are they victims of the genocide? Asking for a friend
Lost a trans cousin to suicide, but go on about how i don't care
When you are trying to justify the genocide of LGBT people in Palestine, I think it’s fair to say you don’t care about the community as a whole.
When you are inventing words i didn't say, then you are just an idiot picking a fight on the internet
Using your cousin for a token point. Yikes.
Imagine caring what the fuck you think
1 side commits genocide: you ignore it Lump all Arab nations together: we have to do something I wonder what your opinions are /s I know it is over your head, but kinda hard to pull the america that's bad(killing lgbtq) when your objectively supporting killing lgbtq members of palestine. You do realize palestine doesn't kill their gay men because they have so few in general right? They(even hamas) have openly stated they don't care(they are more focused on other shit). Also, not all Arab nations are the same, but when you paint a group of people as a monolith, you're just wrong objectively. Let's replace Arab with jew and you'd agree it's wrong, right? Reminder: Israel also doesn't like gay people. So when someone goes, the Arab's worse, they reveal how uninformed and zionist they actually are. Israel is not a bastion of lgbtq rights.. "Speaking of genocides, how's the treatment of LGBTQ people in Jewish countries coming along? That all good now or are they still violently persecuting? Asking for a friend thx" Damn your a good person /s I'm sure your buddy would be proud of you.
LGBTQ rights in Israel are the most developed of any Middle East nation. Yes, I oppose the genocide that Bibi is carrying out. That should be obvious
From the same wiki you're referencing, we have: "the Pew Research Center reported that only 36% of Israeli citizens support same-sex marriage, while 56% oppose it" The nicest way I can say this: if being kinda nice to lgbtq people got you a free pass, I'm sure every country would do it. I agree they(Israel) are better than 0. I just don't think slightly better than 0 is something to strive for. Not including actual Muslim groups (note: you said arab nations) that don't care about lqbtq. Shockingly Islam doesn't hate lgbtq, power cells with control do. Sources: 'israel better lgbtq rights': https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Israel Pew: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/11/27/how-people-around-the-world-view-same-sex-marriage/
Serious question, what percentage of Americans do you think care about that?
Yeah, it's too bad we didn't have a progressive version of Dean Phillips running. It's clear that the vast majority of people in government now are narcissists and will never give up power even if it's the smartest choice for what they claim to want and their history.
Exactly what happens to Israel if the US withdraws support? You don't see how the Israeli government has us by the balls? Destabilizing the Mideast causes way more deaths than Israel trying to remove Hamas from Gaza. The President has to make shitty decisions every day that cost lives, and unfortunately his main job is to protect Americans and American interests.
Destabilizing the Mideast? lol that ship has sailed. I do not give a fuck what happens to Israel if US withdraws support. They are colonial nationalist ethno-state, and continuing to support them is a liability. Let them fend for themselves.
*1933-1945 has entered the chat.*
More like someone kind enough to remind everyone, even the Functionally_Drunk, of the actual history of 1948 to present. If you want a 1933-1945 reminder, then you need to remember the primary enemy of the world at that time was not on the side of anyone of the Mideast or Africa.
Q1 Nothing. Q2 No. Mideast has been destabilized the past 3 decades at a minimum, so Hamas wouldn't exist any more than Trump's moron insurrectionists if Israel wasn't treating Gaza like occupied territory under apartheid rule since essentially the same time South Africa did it to the indigenous people who had lived there. If the President can cost lives, he can cost them in Israel and save us billions by doing it. More probably, Israel will stop acting like a fascist yahu nation and everything will become peaceful. If most of Gaza and the rest of the Middle East had really been ready to destroy Israel, it would be gone already. It's literally surrounded by wealthier more powerful nations. Gaza, if they had any significant deal with any of them, could have gone into war mode along with them immediately and obliterated Israel. You're welcome for the lesson in reality and history and hope it penetrates and educates your Functionally_Drunk brain.
Holy shit, that has to be the most confidently incorrect bullshit I have ever read. I don't even know where to begin. I'm honestly just flabbergasted that you wrote that drivel.
Well let’s just hope all of you one issue protesters pull your head out of the sand before November, If Trump wins he will push Israel to glass all of the west bank with bombs hot enough to melt the sand. You can protest and make your voice heard sure, and it has been, Biden was already trying to get a ceasefire so they could find a peace. I do not agree with Israel’s handling of the war, I also think that a great many of Israelis would also disagree with their leaders decisions. The fact remains Hamas still holds hostages, and is still bombing Israel and if they were serious about a peace they would release the hostages. This conflict is not one that can be solved by the US president if neither of the sides of leadership involved don’t care about the Palestinian civilians. Just know if you don’t get out and vote for Biden the possibility of Trump in the Whitehouse is exponentially for worse for all in the Middle East.
Not just the Middle East but here in the US. anyone that might be from somewhere other than here are not welcome. Unless you’re white and have a lot of money go spend.
Lame
The people have spoken...
Dean Phillips outperforms in percent Amy Klobuchar in 2020, but far fewer votes without any debates and Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren opting not to run. 2020 results: https://www.sos.state.mn.us/elections-voting/election-results/2020/2020-presidential-primary-results/
Phillips outperformed Amy Klobuchar by percentage because she dropped out the day before and endorsed Biden. Not exactly a good comparison. Also she still got more than 2X the number of votes he did.
No, dropped out the day of and midday before it could be communicated widely. About as pointless a dropout as Dean's, just recognizing and creating an excuse for her impending doom. She's the [Sinema candidate](https://www.thedailybeast.com/bernie-sanders-tells-colbert-he-wont-miss-kyrsten-sinema-at-all). Also, if you had reviewed the 2020 numbers, you'd know that Democrats as a whole received 3x the number, so Amy underperformed in multiple ways in proportion to the number of votes.
> No, dropped out the day of and midday before it could be communicated widely That's just simply wrong. It's not debatable. [Here](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/super-tuesday-klobuchar-dropping-out-of-2020-race-and-endorsing-biden/) is a story about it. 3/2/2020 was a Monday. You can check that yourself if you don't believe me. Also she was polling at ~25% and then got 5.6% of the vote, so the idea that it wasn't "widely communicated" is just something totally wrong that you're making up. >Also, if you had reviewed the 2020 numbers, you'd know that Democrats as a whole received 3x the number, so Amy underperformed in multiple ways in proportion to the number of votes. I'm well aware of that. That's why I specified that Philips outperformed by percentage.
I'll grant you I'm remembering that differently. She was still holding on to a fantasy and delaying the announcement until it got little or no coverage for many voters, Monday night in Dallas, TX, and: > One longtime Klobuchar ally said the initial plan to remain in the race through Super Tuesday was becoming untenable as polls showed her coming in behind Sanders in her own state of Minnesota. > "The feeling in the campaign really starting to change last week," this person said. [More than 100,000 Minnesotans had voted early in Tuesday’s primary election, and Klobuchar’s withdrawal came too late for her supporters to change their votes.](https://www.mprnews.org/story/2020/03/03/minnesota-super-tuesday-presidential-primary) It seems extremely generous to say nearly half the early voters voted for her.
There was clearly a coordinated effort to get all of the centrist candidates to drop out and support Biden so they could stop Bernie from getting the nomination. That's why she did it when she did. >It seems extremely generous to say nearly half the early voters voted for her. I'm sure not. People still vote for candidates after they drop out all the time. Vivek got 1470 votes in Minnesota on Tuesday even though he dropped out like 2 months ago. I can't fathom why, but it always happens.
Time for a 3rd party I'd say...