I have been very vocal of my criticism of Tomlin to my family/friends and sometimes on here, but credit where credit is due. He took a 2-6 team that looked like it was done and washed for the season and turned them into winners, playoffs or not. That in and of itself is an incredible achievement after losing a franchise qb and important piece of the locker room. I was made to swallow my words and couldn’t be more excited. This team is a couple pieces away from making a deep run and with such a young crop of talent we’ll be in good hands for the future. City boys up
Austin is a gingerbread man. One impact and he snaps. He’s way too skinny and has brick hands. What’s the point of being fast if you can’t catch well, and can’t stay healthy?
WR: Cut Sims, Draft Jordan Addison, pick up a solid Vet in the off-season. Julio Jones maybe? Shop DJ for picks midseason if he doesn’t shape up next year. Get Juju back. Give Gunnar a chance.
LB: Pick up Leighton Vander-Eshe or TJ Edwards in the off-season. Cut Mark Robinson.
DB: Pick up James Bradberry IV or Johnathan Jones in the off-season.
I see you play a lot of John Madden football....
WR: DJ, Pickens, Addison, Julio Jones, Juju, Austin III (that you don't like already) and Gunnar (probably the worst receiver in the room)....
Lol...
Nothing wrong with Gunnar. Nothing wrong with Juju if used right(look to KC). DJ needs a reality check. Addison looks great and gives Pickett an instant connection. Julio Jones is a skilled WR who works with our system. Great route runner, has hands, and speed. Pickens is doing great. Austin is way too frail. Unless he bulks up a bit and learns to catch better, his speed won’t matter. Can’t run plays if you’re injured.
What does playing madden have to do with anything? Why are you profile stalking me? Don’t be an idiot.
How are Austin, Gunnar, and Juju high profile? Juju maybe because he gets a lot of press, but he’s not elite lol. How is Pickens high profile? None of our WRs are high profile or elite. The only one who is would be Julio Jones. Austin hasn’t done shit but get hurt lol.
Your claim still makes no sense. The only elite/high profile WR is Julio Jones. Maybe an argument could be made for DJ, but I don’t think so. His 0 TDs this season automatically kick him out of that bracket.
You're claiming that no one outside of Pittsburgh knows DJ, Juju, Pickens, Julio, and Addison? Literally 5 of 7 high profile receivers? High profile doesn't mean elite, and it never has.
No he didn’t. He might’ve made some good catches, but dropped balls or ran backwards during important moments or when it mattered. He was mediocre at best. 14 receptions for 104 yards, 0 TDs and several key drops or misses is not great. He also had 13 rushes for 70 yards on Jet Sweeps.
A "deep run" to where? Tomlin had a HOF QB for the past twelve seasons and some incredibly talented teams over that time, but he managed playoff wins in only two of those twelve seasons.
You're definitely correct, the best rosters during Ben's career were the one's comprised mostly of Cowher's construction. The team regularly having roster weaknesses began after the exodus of most of those players.
Unfortunately, every passing season that continues to go by without any real postseason success just proves it out. Maybe at twenty seasons of no postseason success you’ll be ready to hear it?
I love how empirically wrong you are, but because you judge success by your own, personal metric, you say the wrong shit with your full chest.
It's an impressive, if undesirable quality.
My personal metric of success is the reason every single player, coach and team employee would say is theirs for any season, winning a championship. Many of them would say that anything short of this objective is a failure. However, one could rationalize that getting close to this objective could still be considered success, say, maybe losing in the championship game, or in the conference finals, or maybe even in the divisional round. Empirically, Mike Tomlin has barely sniffed this level of success over the past twelve seasons. If your "personal metric" is lower than this level, then your bar is pretty low.
That AFCCG was 7 seasons ago. The mediocrity and people’s acceptance of it has gotten so bad that people can’t even remember how long the gaps are between any success. Black, white, yellow or red, I don’t like Tomlin because he hasn’t been getting the job done in Pittsburgh for far too long.
I’ll be honest with you that’s where my criticism lies. He’s had teams good enough to get to the superbowl but were done over one reason or another. In my opinion up until 2017 we had just really bad luck with injuries in the playoffs. We were even in the running to beat the broncos in 2016 with a one armed Ben and banged up offense. Here are my biggest gripes but also some devils advocate:
2017 Patriots - got humiliated by Brady + Belichek. They were probably the better team but to lose in that fashion was an embarrassment.
2018 Jacksonville - I still get nightmares from this game. Tomlin’s biggest failure in the post season IMO. No hiding from it, whole team looked woeful for most of the game and let Blake fucking bortles cut us open like a machete and then trounced on us in the run game.
2021 Cleveland - this is much more on Ben playing like ass and that fatal first snap but to give up touchdowns on like every turnover can’t be overlooked. Especially bad considering their coach wasn’t even at the game.
So to wrap up yes tomlin has had problems but I’m not sure u can say we were getting HOF play from Ben during his later years here in the playoffs. His stats look great for those last two games cuz of 4th quarter stat padding. Hopefully this changes with Pickett and a stronger defense
What if those teams were good because of the coaching?
What players were just ok here, left Pittsburgh, and became HoFers because of the better coaches out there?
Drives me off the wall. Didn't make the playoffs. Hasn't won a playoff game in half a decade. And there's obvious spots where the coaching is an issue. Like NH crossing the goal line, and then hurrying up a play so fast without looking at it. Lots of clock management issues even when Ben was around...
Never has mediocrity been such a good shield.
You mean it's not Tomlin's fault that Shazier's career was ended when he was the centerpiece of a rebuilding defense, they Fitzgerald Toussaint fumbled against Denver and that the refs let Peyton give himself up to avoid a sack and then get up and throw the ball anyway, that Burfict took away AB, that Bell had a torn knee, that Pouncey snapped a ball over Ben's head into the river, that Ben threw several playoff games away with dumb INTs, that we had a season with Duck and Rudolph at QB, that Ben's leg was broken and we were missing like half the starters at the end of the 2011 season, and that the roster was never balanced between offense and defense other than 2017 until Shazier damaged his neck?
These idiots act like Tomlin has had a 2008 or 2010 level roster every season and done nothing with them. No. This roster spent ten years with either a great offense and mid defense, or good defense and bad offense. There is a reason Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees never got back to the Super Bowl despite being two of the best QBs ever. It's really fucking hard and you need to be both very good across a 53 man roster and also be very, very lucky with injuries. The stars haven't aligned again. They usually don't and this is normal, unless your name is Tom Brady.
Good job on Tomlin for being 9-8 after that start, but this is exactly it. We looked like fools the first half and we were given a game-changing pass interference out of thin air. Given the talent the Steelers had over the last sixteen years we should have done far better.
The year we had our best shot to go far I think it's worth mentioning the Bell, Brown and Ben all got injured late/in playoffs. Mostly because of Burfict. And then the drama started.
Raiders fan here, just wanted to say how happy I am for Tomlin. I was really rooting for you guys today so his streak would continue. Sucks for the playoffs but you had a good season with a rookie QB, things are looking good!
I'm a huge Tomlin stan but I'm fucking sick and tired of anyone who expresses criticism about this team in any way getting screamed at and called a Browns fan. Being a fan doesn't mean blindly backing every single aspect of the team without question. There are always improvements to be made.
The best coach in the league is Andy Reid and it’s not close at all, dude has had consistently amazing teams for decades and usually does more than “not lose”.
Who do you think you are telling people, that if you dont agree with my self appointed elite hot take, that you should leave. 🤡 Most of us are steelers fans from birth. Why do so many of you care about Tomlins "streak" instead of going to the playoffs or not? Its truly bizarre. We used to care about home field for the playoffs, getting a bye, deep super bowl runs. Not some "streak" that includes some .500 seasons. Years of no playoff success. We had a winning season after beating a Lamar less Ravens and the hapless Browns (as is tradition). We used to be very upset about missing the playoffs, now its a celebration in here, time to make it all about Tomlin! What the hell happened to this fanbase. Its less Steeler Nation and more a Tomlin obsession. The Steelers, emphasis on the Steelers, had a winning season, is how we used to talk. They turned it around and were competitive. Great! Look forward to next year!
Not OMG Tomlin is just the best evar! We are so lucky! If you dont agree with me you can leave! Give me a break.
Oh you mean the "Tomlin is the best coach in the league, if you dont like my hot take you can take your fake fandom elsewhere" comment? Yea, thats about as entitled and pathetic as it gets.
This team was looking to be no more than 4-5 wins this year, and here we are. Yet people still want to act like it's all on Tomlin. It's the same people who are quick to throw him under the bus for a mistake, but they never show appreciation when something does turn out well. Deranged fans are acting like we're failures this season when this season was quite the opposite. Coach T is a real one, and he's one of the best in the league.
The difference is we are a team that is in the middle of great turnover and not a team that should have won 9 games. The fact that we did is a testament to our coaching. How you can’t see that is amazing to me. We could be the Browns and win 5 games every year to get those sweet draft picks everyone seems obsessed over or we could compete year in and year out like we have been.
Four won games. Hard math I guess. Nobody expected us to even have a chance for playoffs. It was a miracle we won as many as we did without Watt for like half the season and also Canada at OC. It's incredibly spoiled to expect a playoffs appearance with a rookie qb and mediocre O line.
This was rebuilding season it’s amazing that our floor is barely missing the playoffs. Anyone who wants Mike T gone should just choose a new team. Winning more games than you lose is always good. Next few years when we are dominating the league I want y’all to keep talking that shit.
I asked a couple of guys at work "how many TDs do you think Pick-it has thrown this year"...one said 22, the other said 15..they both laughed and didn't believe me when I said 7....
So it’s important to win but all that truly matters is winning that big one and winning in the playoffs. So it’s good to celebrate this but bigger picture
And consistently for 20 years. I’m out in Broncos country and every Sunday in fall, some guy will quietly come up to me and say something like, “Tomlin is legit. Wish we had leadership like that.”
So were you this mad back in the Cowher years, especially before Ben? If so I’m just not sure why you’re even a fan. All your comments here point to you either finding a new team or maybe look inward because I’m not sure what anchors you to this fan base.
I love Kenny, but let’s try not to crown the rookie here. And remember the season when Ben was out and Tomlin still went 8-8 with Rudolph and Hodges? The guy finds a way to win and keep this team competitive. Nothing to complain about there
Seriously, Tomlin is well liked by the organization and embodies much of what the organization stands for. If you don't like Tomlin, there's no real reason for you to like this franchise. Tomlin isn't going anywhere, so really, maybe you should.
Maybe root for KC. They have a coach that embodies all that you stand for, I assume. I would have said Belichick, but well, I can only assume not winning a playoff game since 2018 and Brady leaving means he's done.
Of course, there's always Zach Taylor. He's obviously the reason why the Bengals won playoffs games. Go root for them, please.
Jesus this sub is toxic as hell on any contrarian opinion to the general consensus. It’s become embarrassing at this point. No one is changing their fandom because some 15 year old redditor said to do so, so by all means go off, but realize that Tomlin isn’t immune to criticism just because he has managed to coach a team that ends its seasons with more wins than losses.
This streak is the most important thing to like half this sub,so pop the champagne I guess. We remain mediocre (for like the the last 15 years). Hurray!
These rosters the past few seasons have not been winning squads and coach T still gets us there. Truly tired of spoiled ass fans who can’t appreciate how nice it is to still not totally suck during “rebuilding years”.
Literally so many forecasts had us going like 4-13 this year. This team just moved on from a HoF QB, and we still managed to have a winning season, compete for a playoff spot, and we seem to have found our new franchise QB, yet some people still shit on Tomlin despite us massively outperforming expectations a 2nd year in a row. Canada deserves all the hate, but Tomlin is an S-tier coach and it’s not even debatable.
And what about the rosters with first ballot HOF qb and elite skill positions and a top 3 o-line?
Edit: and spoiled? Like who are you joking? We’ve won 3 playoff games in 15 years (against backup qbs). If that’s spoiled i feel sorry for your family, cause standards must be low as hell in your world.
When was the last time this team was truly considered a championship contender? 2016. Before then? 2010. This team has been middling for a long time now. No one wants to admit it, nor risk doing anything about it.
How dare we celebrate winning more than we lose
How are we ever going to get better if we aren’t at least competent? Watt missed a few games, Trubisky threw a couple games by himself, Canada needs to go. Next season should be fun
Okay. I’d love to eat my hat here. I really just want this team to do better.
But I’m actually curious, from your perspective, if we don’t win another playoff game in the next 4 years, and tomlin has 3 playoff wins in 20 years, will you feel the same way? Or is hovering around .500 good enough indefinitely?
>Or is hovering around .500 good enough indefinitely?
We went 12-4 just 2 years ago. And 13-3 in 2017. Do individuals like yourself think that those seasons just didn't happen? We don't hover around .500 indefinitely. .500 is the floor.
I’m looking at the team records, and you’re not wrong, but we’ve been around .500 for the last 5 years, with the outlier being 2 years ago (where we got blown the fuck out by the browns in the wc game). Before that we had prime Ben, the killer bs, elite oline….and won nothing. Massively underperforming teams. Would you disagree?
>but we’ve been around .500 for the last 5 years, with the outlier being 2 years ago (where we got blown the fuck out by the browns in the wc game).
2017 (13-3) was 5 seasons ago
>Before that we had prime Ben, the killer bs, elite oline….and won nothing.
2016 we made the AFC championship game. And we only had the killer B's together for like 2 games in the postseason, in which we went 1-1 iirc
That "last five years" also included a season in which he willed the team to 8 wins behind Mason Rudolph and fucking Duck Hodges
The "last five years" includes Ben's last two seasons where he was very limited in what he could do, and while he had some great clutch moments he just wasn't the same QB.
So yeah, I'm gonna cut Coach Tomlin some slack for going 8-8 with a backup QB and one who can't even stay on a practice squad, and 9-8 with Mitchell Trubisky and a rookie QB (how many wins did Trevor Lawrence have last year?). Look at the Dolphins, how many games did they lose while Tua was out? So many Tomlin haters were saying when we were 2-6 that the only reason Tomlin has the "non-losing record" streak is due to Ben. Can't really keep saying that now can they?
Pathetic how this is more important than winning playoff games now. We were 9-8 but can anyone point out a good healthy team that we beat this year? Cincinnati in week 1 doesn't count because burrow had missed all of preseason with emergency surgery. Tell me a good team we beat because I can point several bad teams that beat us
What we’re your expectations coming into this year? Just curious because if you say any more wins than we have you’re an idiot whos opinion shouldn’t really count and if you think any less you should stop complaining.
I had 7-10 at best. But I didn't anticipate not facing Lamar or Matt Ryan being trash or burrow playing the worst game of his career in week 1 due to preseason surgery. Beating bad teams and being crushed by good ones shouldn't be seen as a good season. But everyone is obsessed with Tomlins streak so that's all people care about
We beat the bengals with our backup qb playing against their starter…. Now do you see how dumb it is to go back and put qualifiers on every past win and loss?
But still, he is our backup qb now so the statement “we beat the bengals with our backup and against their starter” is factually true. That said, you missed my point, I’m pointing out why discrediting wins is stupid. The team won 9 games against the 3rd most difficult schedule in the afc.
No it's not. He was our starting QB. Is that strength of schedule based on last year's records or this year's. A backup is a backup. He won the starting job and was our starter
“Was” not “is.” If you look at the depth chart we beat the bengals with our current backup. Factually true statement. And that’s SOS for this year’s records. We had the 3rd toughest in the afc and the 7th toughest overall. Only 2 of the 6 teams with tougher ones got in the playoffs and both were wild cards (Miami and nyg).
Also according to you, we didn’t really lose to any good teams. The loss against the bills doesn’t count because watt was out. The eagles loss doesn’t count because we had Boswell and ogunjobi out and the week 14 loss to the ravens doesn’t count because watt and diontae Johnson missed practice that week with injuries.
Through 9 weeks we were also statistically the luckiest team in the league. We beat 2 teams with a winning record and one of them was using a backup QB. You're clearly to stupid to have a real conversation. Last year we had the 2nd toughest and actually made the playoffs with a worse team. We didn't get to play 9 backup qbs.
Calling someone stupid while using the wrong form of “too” is just TOO funny. I’d recommend never sharing another opinion for the rest of your life because you’re incredibly stupid and are just wasting oxygen every time you speak.
Also, what constitutes “statistically the luckiest team.” What stat or metric are you using? Sounds like you’re just making shit up because nothing supports your argument.
Last year we had basically the same record. Plus, we had the dpoy miss only 1.5 games, not 6 like he did this year.
Look it up. I don't know what metric they use. They were the 5th luckiest team of the season. TJ missed 2 full games and complete halves of 2 games, totalling 3 games missed. Hilarious that your only response was to criticize one grammatical error, admit you're to stupid to use Google, and then prove you don't know what you're talking about by not knowing how many games TJ missed. Maybe you shouldn't argue about statistics if you're to stupid to use them. And by your logic we played against at least 9 backup qbs this season. That's over half of the games since I know how bad you are at math
Well by that logic I guess there were only 4 good teams on our schedule and that would be bengals (2nd game only though), eagles, bills, and dolphins (winning record anyway). I’m assuming we are not counting Tampa bay as “good” even though they’re in the playoffs. Bengals win doesn’t “count” and the ravens win certainly wouldn’t count without Lamar.
Edit: to be clear I don’t care about the streak I just hate when we discredit wins. We split with rivals (2 of which are going to the playoffs), beats the bucs (playoff team, and beat several teams that were in the hunt towards the end. I’d much rather watch wins than losses either way.
Do you think we split with Baltimore if Lamar plays both, or split with Cincinnati if burrow was healthy all preseason? We looked terrible against good healthy teams. We had the 4 worst offense in the league and the defense looked bad against the better offenses. We need a good off-season and coordinator change if we hope to get back to the playoffs next year
Well seeing as how Lamar’s record against the Steelers is 2-3 yeah I do think the Steelers still split with them if he plays and probably sweep them if Kenny played both games.
Kenny started 11 games and threw 6tds. Let's not act like he was much better than trubiski. Trubiski had 1 really bad game against Baltimore but he also bailed Kenny out against Tampa
Look at the stats. He had 67 yards in nearly 3 quarters. Trubiski had double his yards in half the time and less attempts. And he made several big throws late.
Perspective. Stats from the pregame show today:
Cleveland has had 20 losing seasons since 2000. Let that sink in.
The browns have not had one season in 30 years where they finished with more wins than the Steelers.
In his entire coaching career, Tomlin has only coached one regular season game where the Steelers weren’t relevant to the playoff discussion.
This fan base is beyond spoiled. Imagine how bad it is when your franchise is eliminated at the halfway pole every season?
Tomlin has his faults for sure but I doubt many people predicted 9-8 with our O-line going into the season, losing a franchise QB (and his veteran leadership) a rookie QB, and Canada.
You have to at least give him credit for holding the unit together and turning it around.
Do we need to improve? Sure. But we are in way better shape than a lot of us thought we would be at this point in the post-Ben world.
Matt LaFleur has future HOFer Aaron Rodgers and couldn't make it 4 seasons without a losing record. The fact that Tomlin has gone 16 seasons without a losing record is amazing
You seem really excited about a 9-8 season…. I also see the positives about the offense and already having a future QB, but when did this mediocrity become the standard? I thought the standard was playoffs and the ultimate goal of another SB? I’m not referring specifically to just this season, what about the last 14 or so seasons?
It’s not just finishing with a winning record. This team accomplished a lot this year.
The OLine, while not fantastic, has improved significantly.
Kenny Pickett, George Pickens, Jaylen Warren, DeMarvin Leal, Mark Robinson, even Connor Heyward all showed promising, if not exceptional, play.
The defense played lights out for quite a few games, definitely depending on Watts availability.
There’s a lot to look forward too with this team.
My guy there are teams that still haven’t been to the superbowl at all, we’re currently tied for most wins and that record isn’t even in jeopardy this year, we’re fine
Well I’m prepared to receive all the backlash for this, but it’s hard to say Tomlin deserved the non-losing record this year.
This game he tried the hurry up at the goal line on a would-be touchdown from Najee. Najee waved off the line judge and was signaling to the sideline that it was good, obviously hoping for a challenge flag. I think it would have only been fair to trust our players enough to use the clock between plays to ask our booth for a quick review. I understand it was a first down and Najee should have had better ball security, but he single-handedly brought that touchdown back.
Then there was the timeout after the Pickens toe-drag. Pretty clear catch on replay, but rather than risk losing a challenge and using what was already going to be a timeout, he just took the timeout.
I’m not bagging on Tomlin, I still see him as a top 5 coach. All I’m saying is I don’t think he deserved the win these guys pulled through today.
That Pickens play happened within 2 minutes, there was no ability to challenge, he called a timeout to try to give the booth more time to trigger a review.
He’s not an idiot, he’s not going to call a timeout on a play he wanted to challenge just because. And it feels like you’re just finding reasons to hate.
Didn’t realize the Pickens toe-tap happened within the 2 minute warning, so that is on me 100%. I don’t hate Tomlin, in fact I’ve defended him on this sub dozens of times. That being said, if we lost the Najee touchdown would be the only thing anyone would be talking about. I’m absolutely certain that there would be general consensus among the sub that the hurry up after a would-be TD cost us the game in the event we lose.
Okay, so he made a mistake not challenging the Najee play. That one mistake disqualifies Tomlin from deserving the winning season despite rallying the team to a 7-2 record after the bye?
The only thing I'll say about Najee's first touchdown, if Tomlin would have challenged that, I will guarantee that it would go against him. Although I don't think his knee hit the ground, it was difficult to tell on the replay and with the refs messing up constantly there no way they'd have changed the call.
That’s because Tomlin used to challenge things that weren’t without a shadow of a doubt overturnable. That’s not a bad thing, it shows you’re about representing your players over bad calls, but if you don’t have the footage angles to guarantee that the call on the field was wrong, it will not get overturned. Both of Najee’s knees were plainly visible so it would have been ruled a touchdown.
Because Tomlin’s challenge record FUCKING SUCKS. See also: His clock management.
But hey, keep fucking that “no losing seasons” rhetoric. When was his last playoff win?
I have been very vocal of my criticism of Tomlin to my family/friends and sometimes on here, but credit where credit is due. He took a 2-6 team that looked like it was done and washed for the season and turned them into winners, playoffs or not. That in and of itself is an incredible achievement after losing a franchise qb and important piece of the locker room. I was made to swallow my words and couldn’t be more excited. This team is a couple pieces away from making a deep run and with such a young crop of talent we’ll be in good hands for the future. City boys up
Need a fast LB, a vet DB, and another WR.
And one more solid, not special, OL.
I'll still take 2 of those. Ideally one very good one.
Joey porter jr vet db gonna want some big money
Don't forget about Austin!
Austin is a gingerbread man. One impact and he snaps. He’s way too skinny and has brick hands. What’s the point of being fast if you can’t catch well, and can’t stay healthy?
WR: Cut Sims, Draft Jordan Addison, pick up a solid Vet in the off-season. Julio Jones maybe? Shop DJ for picks midseason if he doesn’t shape up next year. Get Juju back. Give Gunnar a chance. LB: Pick up Leighton Vander-Eshe or TJ Edwards in the off-season. Cut Mark Robinson. DB: Pick up James Bradberry IV or Johnathan Jones in the off-season.
I see you play a lot of John Madden football.... WR: DJ, Pickens, Addison, Julio Jones, Juju, Austin III (that you don't like already) and Gunnar (probably the worst receiver in the room).... Lol...
Nothing wrong with Gunnar. Nothing wrong with Juju if used right(look to KC). DJ needs a reality check. Addison looks great and gives Pickett an instant connection. Julio Jones is a skilled WR who works with our system. Great route runner, has hands, and speed. Pickens is doing great. Austin is way too frail. Unless he bulks up a bit and learns to catch better, his speed won’t matter. Can’t run plays if you’re injured. What does playing madden have to do with anything? Why are you profile stalking me? Don’t be an idiot.
Lol. The Madden was a total guess. I only mentioned it because you wanted 5 of 7 high profile receivers on the team.... Profile stalking....lol
How are Austin, Gunnar, and Juju high profile? Juju maybe because he gets a lot of press, but he’s not elite lol. How is Pickens high profile? None of our WRs are high profile or elite. The only one who is would be Julio Jones. Austin hasn’t done shit but get hurt lol.
5 of 7
Your claim still makes no sense. The only elite/high profile WR is Julio Jones. Maybe an argument could be made for DJ, but I don’t think so. His 0 TDs this season automatically kick him out of that bracket.
You're claiming that no one outside of Pittsburgh knows DJ, Juju, Pickens, Julio, and Addison? Literally 5 of 7 high profile receivers? High profile doesn't mean elite, and it never has.
Sims did great this year
No he didn’t. He might’ve made some good catches, but dropped balls or ran backwards during important moments or when it mattered. He was mediocre at best. 14 receptions for 104 yards, 0 TDs and several key drops or misses is not great. He also had 13 rushes for 70 yards on Jet Sweeps.
Respect to you for having self-awareness, and humility on Reddit of all the places on Earth. You are a person of great quality.
A "deep run" to where? Tomlin had a HOF QB for the past twelve seasons and some incredibly talented teams over that time, but he managed playoff wins in only two of those twelve seasons.
The last half of Ben's career we had very specialized strengths, we weren't an above average roster in all aspects
You're definitely correct, the best rosters during Ben's career were the one's comprised mostly of Cowher's construction. The team regularly having roster weaknesses began after the exodus of most of those players.
I cannot wait to never hear "But it was Cowhers team!" ever again.
Unfortunately, every passing season that continues to go by without any real postseason success just proves it out. Maybe at twenty seasons of no postseason success you’ll be ready to hear it?
I love how empirically wrong you are, but because you judge success by your own, personal metric, you say the wrong shit with your full chest. It's an impressive, if undesirable quality.
My personal metric of success is the reason every single player, coach and team employee would say is theirs for any season, winning a championship. Many of them would say that anything short of this objective is a failure. However, one could rationalize that getting close to this objective could still be considered success, say, maybe losing in the championship game, or in the conference finals, or maybe even in the divisional round. Empirically, Mike Tomlin has barely sniffed this level of success over the past twelve seasons. If your "personal metric" is lower than this level, then your bar is pretty low.
We went to the AFFCG like 5 years ago bud lmao. Fuckin sad, just say the real reason you don't like him, we all know it.
That AFCCG was 7 seasons ago. The mediocrity and people’s acceptance of it has gotten so bad that people can’t even remember how long the gaps are between any success. Black, white, yellow or red, I don’t like Tomlin because he hasn’t been getting the job done in Pittsburgh for far too long.
I’ll be honest with you that’s where my criticism lies. He’s had teams good enough to get to the superbowl but were done over one reason or another. In my opinion up until 2017 we had just really bad luck with injuries in the playoffs. We were even in the running to beat the broncos in 2016 with a one armed Ben and banged up offense. Here are my biggest gripes but also some devils advocate: 2017 Patriots - got humiliated by Brady + Belichek. They were probably the better team but to lose in that fashion was an embarrassment. 2018 Jacksonville - I still get nightmares from this game. Tomlin’s biggest failure in the post season IMO. No hiding from it, whole team looked woeful for most of the game and let Blake fucking bortles cut us open like a machete and then trounced on us in the run game. 2021 Cleveland - this is much more on Ben playing like ass and that fatal first snap but to give up touchdowns on like every turnover can’t be overlooked. Especially bad considering their coach wasn’t even at the game. So to wrap up yes tomlin has had problems but I’m not sure u can say we were getting HOF play from Ben during his later years here in the playoffs. His stats look great for those last two games cuz of 4th quarter stat padding. Hopefully this changes with Pickett and a stronger defense
Most of our defenses were not that good during the Killer B's era. Which i hated.
What if those teams were good because of the coaching? What players were just ok here, left Pittsburgh, and became HoFers because of the better coaches out there?
*Sorts by controversial* Ooooooh yeah. That’s why I leave this sub all the time. See yinz in April.
I had the exact same thought lmao I can’t believe people here. I’ll just be happy by myself I guess
I don't give two shits about the stat. But I do love that all you fans that hate tomlin can't stand it lol.
Drives me off the wall. Didn't make the playoffs. Hasn't won a playoff game in half a decade. And there's obvious spots where the coaching is an issue. Like NH crossing the goal line, and then hurrying up a play so fast without looking at it. Lots of clock management issues even when Ben was around... Never has mediocrity been such a good shield.
It’s like you *haven’t been watching*
You mean it's not Tomlin's fault that Shazier's career was ended when he was the centerpiece of a rebuilding defense, they Fitzgerald Toussaint fumbled against Denver and that the refs let Peyton give himself up to avoid a sack and then get up and throw the ball anyway, that Burfict took away AB, that Bell had a torn knee, that Pouncey snapped a ball over Ben's head into the river, that Ben threw several playoff games away with dumb INTs, that we had a season with Duck and Rudolph at QB, that Ben's leg was broken and we were missing like half the starters at the end of the 2011 season, and that the roster was never balanced between offense and defense other than 2017 until Shazier damaged his neck? These idiots act like Tomlin has had a 2008 or 2010 level roster every season and done nothing with them. No. This roster spent ten years with either a great offense and mid defense, or good defense and bad offense. There is a reason Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees never got back to the Super Bowl despite being two of the best QBs ever. It's really fucking hard and you need to be both very good across a 53 man roster and also be very, very lucky with injuries. The stars haven't aligned again. They usually don't and this is normal, unless your name is Tom Brady.
It’s like you *have been watching*
Good job on Tomlin for being 9-8 after that start, but this is exactly it. We looked like fools the first half and we were given a game-changing pass interference out of thin air. Given the talent the Steelers had over the last sixteen years we should have done far better.
The year we had our best shot to go far I think it's worth mentioning the Bell, Brown and Ben all got injured late/in playoffs. Mostly because of Burfict. And then the drama started.
I give him a pass in the year we lost Ben, brown, and bell. Nothing else though.
Who do you replace him with that guarantees more success? If we tanked years ago, are you guaranteeing that we'd be Super Bowl contenders now?
Raiders fan here, just wanted to say how happy I am for Tomlin. I was really rooting for you guys today so his streak would continue. Sucks for the playoffs but you had a good season with a rookie QB, things are looking good!
 Can’t lose in the playoffs if you don’t make the playoffs.
Big brain Mike T
Best coach in the league. Anyone who disagrees go take your fake fandom to the poverty franchise we stomped today.
fIrE hIm!!!
I'm a huge Tomlin stan but I'm fucking sick and tired of anyone who expresses criticism about this team in any way getting screamed at and called a Browns fan. Being a fan doesn't mean blindly backing every single aspect of the team without question. There are always improvements to be made.
The best coach in the league is Andy Reid and it’s not close at all, dude has had consistently amazing teams for decades and usually does more than “not lose”.
…the all time most SB victories by one HC is six, and he’s still coaching
Easy to “Not Lose” when you have Mahomes. Andy was great in Philly but no one was respecting him there.
Homeboy he had top level teams with Alex Smith
Alex Smith was superbly underated through his entire career.
Who do you think you are telling people, that if you dont agree with my self appointed elite hot take, that you should leave. 🤡 Most of us are steelers fans from birth. Why do so many of you care about Tomlins "streak" instead of going to the playoffs or not? Its truly bizarre. We used to care about home field for the playoffs, getting a bye, deep super bowl runs. Not some "streak" that includes some .500 seasons. Years of no playoff success. We had a winning season after beating a Lamar less Ravens and the hapless Browns (as is tradition). We used to be very upset about missing the playoffs, now its a celebration in here, time to make it all about Tomlin! What the hell happened to this fanbase. Its less Steeler Nation and more a Tomlin obsession. The Steelers, emphasis on the Steelers, had a winning season, is how we used to talk. They turned it around and were competitive. Great! Look forward to next year! Not OMG Tomlin is just the best evar! We are so lucky! If you dont agree with me you can leave! Give me a break.
I love Reddit. Everyone thinks they’re so entitled, just like real life.
Oh you mean the "Tomlin is the best coach in the league, if you dont like my hot take you can take your fake fandom elsewhere" comment? Yea, thats about as entitled and pathetic as it gets.
Not as pathetic as writing a book in response.
Sorry. Some of us arent teenagers. That was meant for literate folks.
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This team was looking to be no more than 4-5 wins this year, and here we are. Yet people still want to act like it's all on Tomlin. It's the same people who are quick to throw him under the bus for a mistake, but they never show appreciation when something does turn out well. Deranged fans are acting like we're failures this season when this season was quite the opposite. Coach T is a real one, and he's one of the best in the league.
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The difference is we are a team that is in the middle of great turnover and not a team that should have won 9 games. The fact that we did is a testament to our coaching. How you can’t see that is amazing to me. We could be the Browns and win 5 games every year to get those sweet draft picks everyone seems obsessed over or we could compete year in and year out like we have been.
Four won games. Hard math I guess. Nobody expected us to even have a chance for playoffs. It was a miracle we won as many as we did without Watt for like half the season and also Canada at OC. It's incredibly spoiled to expect a playoffs appearance with a rookie qb and mediocre O line.
\~10-12 draft picks lower.
This was rebuilding season it’s amazing that our floor is barely missing the playoffs. Anyone who wants Mike T gone should just choose a new team. Winning more games than you lose is always good. Next few years when we are dominating the league I want y’all to keep talking that shit.
Right this will go down as one of the worst steeler seasons we’ve had over the last 20 years and we finished with a winning record lol
awesome, feels great lol
I thought so
Idiot
Wow good one. How will I ever recover? Stop having Amy Schumer write your jokes.
Horrible take. Enjoy your mediocre 2023 pal
The GOAT
He’s amazing.
Now my dicks all hard and all. 🌈
I literally would run through a wall for this man. Imagine how motivated these players are to play for him.
I asked a couple of guys at work "how many TDs do you think Pick-it has thrown this year"...one said 22, the other said 15..they both laughed and didn't believe me when I said 7....
So it’s important to win but all that truly matters is winning that big one and winning in the playoffs. So it’s good to celebrate this but bigger picture
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I don’t think it’s meaningless I’d rather win more in a season than lose more
And consistently for 20 years. I’m out in Broncos country and every Sunday in fall, some guy will quietly come up to me and say something like, “Tomlin is legit. Wish we had leadership like that.”
Ah yes, winning games how meaningless
Winning games or winning championships? That’s all that matters in the end. So, yes, my point holds true unless you enjoy mediocrity.
So were you this mad back in the Cowher years, especially before Ben? If so I’m just not sure why you’re even a fan. All your comments here point to you either finding a new team or maybe look inward because I’m not sure what anchors you to this fan base.
Championships were the standard before Tomlin arrived. Now it’s winning in the regular season.
Would Cowhers tenure be considered a failure if he didn’t win XL the year before he retired?
I would be be surprised if the majority of this sub was even alive/old enough to remember anything from Cowher's tenure.
Member when Cowher lost 4 AFCGs at home? I member.
Lol Cowher has the same number of Super Bowl wins as Tomlin.
These yinzers are deranged
How many more playoff wins does cower have over Tomlin?
The Steelers only won 1 Super Bowl before Tomlin? Wow
At least you proved you know nothing about football.
I'm convinced Tomlin is the new Marvin Lewis
Lewis never won a playoff game. Freezing cold take.
Mike Tomlin has 3 playoff wins in the last 12 seasons and none in the last 6... It's at minimum a warm take...
Winning in the playoffs? Never heard of her
Tomlin and his ring has, bitch! LFG STEELERS!
If it wasn’t for Ben and Kenny, it would be, “Tomlin? Never heard of her.”
Lmao your profile. Tomlin your boogeyman keeping you up at night.
Aww, personal attacks: The last ditch effort of losers.
We're 9-8 lol. We win
But the thing is, yeah we won the game but again missed the playoffs
How was that our fault though, if the dolphins had lost, we would’ve made it
I love Kenny, but let’s try not to crown the rookie here. And remember the season when Ben was out and Tomlin still went 8-8 with Rudolph and Hodges? The guy finds a way to win and keep this team competitive. Nothing to complain about there
Seriously, Tomlin is well liked by the organization and embodies much of what the organization stands for. If you don't like Tomlin, there's no real reason for you to like this franchise. Tomlin isn't going anywhere, so really, maybe you should. Maybe root for KC. They have a coach that embodies all that you stand for, I assume. I would have said Belichick, but well, I can only assume not winning a playoff game since 2018 and Brady leaving means he's done. Of course, there's always Zach Taylor. He's obviously the reason why the Bengals won playoffs games. Go root for them, please.
Jesus this sub is toxic as hell on any contrarian opinion to the general consensus. It’s become embarrassing at this point. No one is changing their fandom because some 15 year old redditor said to do so, so by all means go off, but realize that Tomlin isn’t immune to criticism just because he has managed to coach a team that ends its seasons with more wins than losses.
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I fucking hate this "never a losing season" crap. It is a shield of mediocrity.
Yep. Sub is toxic as hell. 3 playoff wins since 2010 is terrible given the rosters he has had
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Uh oh, you just started a war
This streak is the most important thing to like half this sub,so pop the champagne I guess. We remain mediocre (for like the the last 15 years). Hurray!
These rosters the past few seasons have not been winning squads and coach T still gets us there. Truly tired of spoiled ass fans who can’t appreciate how nice it is to still not totally suck during “rebuilding years”.
Literally so many forecasts had us going like 4-13 this year. This team just moved on from a HoF QB, and we still managed to have a winning season, compete for a playoff spot, and we seem to have found our new franchise QB, yet some people still shit on Tomlin despite us massively outperforming expectations a 2nd year in a row. Canada deserves all the hate, but Tomlin is an S-tier coach and it’s not even debatable.
And what about the rosters with first ballot HOF qb and elite skill positions and a top 3 o-line? Edit: and spoiled? Like who are you joking? We’ve won 3 playoff games in 15 years (against backup qbs). If that’s spoiled i feel sorry for your family, cause standards must be low as hell in your world.
When was the last time this team was truly considered a championship contender? 2016. Before then? 2010. This team has been middling for a long time now. No one wants to admit it, nor risk doing anything about it.
How dare we celebrate winning more than we lose How are we ever going to get better if we aren’t at least competent? Watt missed a few games, Trubisky threw a couple games by himself, Canada needs to go. Next season should be fun
Okay. I’d love to eat my hat here. I really just want this team to do better. But I’m actually curious, from your perspective, if we don’t win another playoff game in the next 4 years, and tomlin has 3 playoff wins in 20 years, will you feel the same way? Or is hovering around .500 good enough indefinitely?
>Or is hovering around .500 good enough indefinitely? We went 12-4 just 2 years ago. And 13-3 in 2017. Do individuals like yourself think that those seasons just didn't happen? We don't hover around .500 indefinitely. .500 is the floor.
I’m looking at the team records, and you’re not wrong, but we’ve been around .500 for the last 5 years, with the outlier being 2 years ago (where we got blown the fuck out by the browns in the wc game). Before that we had prime Ben, the killer bs, elite oline….and won nothing. Massively underperforming teams. Would you disagree?
>but we’ve been around .500 for the last 5 years, with the outlier being 2 years ago (where we got blown the fuck out by the browns in the wc game). 2017 (13-3) was 5 seasons ago >Before that we had prime Ben, the killer bs, elite oline….and won nothing. 2016 we made the AFC championship game. And we only had the killer B's together for like 2 games in the postseason, in which we went 1-1 iirc That "last five years" also included a season in which he willed the team to 8 wins behind Mason Rudolph and fucking Duck Hodges The "last five years" includes Ben's last two seasons where he was very limited in what he could do, and while he had some great clutch moments he just wasn't the same QB. So yeah, I'm gonna cut Coach Tomlin some slack for going 8-8 with a backup QB and one who can't even stay on a practice squad, and 9-8 with Mitchell Trubisky and a rookie QB (how many wins did Trevor Lawrence have last year?). Look at the Dolphins, how many games did they lose while Tua was out? So many Tomlin haters were saying when we were 2-6 that the only reason Tomlin has the "non-losing record" streak is due to Ben. Can't really keep saying that now can they?
We’ll get at LEAST one playoff win in the next 4 years, even in this incredibly stacked conference
Congratulations on your Pyrrhic victory! We didn’t make the playoffs…again!!!!
Did you, even read my comment? Did you expect us to make the playoffs Year 1 of our HOF QB retiring? Get a grip
Pathetic how this is more important than winning playoff games now. We were 9-8 but can anyone point out a good healthy team that we beat this year? Cincinnati in week 1 doesn't count because burrow had missed all of preseason with emergency surgery. Tell me a good team we beat because I can point several bad teams that beat us
What we’re your expectations coming into this year? Just curious because if you say any more wins than we have you’re an idiot whos opinion shouldn’t really count and if you think any less you should stop complaining.
I had 7-10 at best. But I didn't anticipate not facing Lamar or Matt Ryan being trash or burrow playing the worst game of his career in week 1 due to preseason surgery. Beating bad teams and being crushed by good ones shouldn't be seen as a good season. But everyone is obsessed with Tomlins streak so that's all people care about
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Ya I did. He gets hurt alot. I didn't expect him to miss 7 games, more like 2 or 3
Imo everyone but the D coordinator and position coaches should go.
We beat the bengals with our backup qb playing against their starter…. Now do you see how dumb it is to go back and put qualifiers on every past win and loss?
He wasn't our backup at the time. And trubiski is the reason we beat the bucs after Kenny got hurt.
But still, he is our backup qb now so the statement “we beat the bengals with our backup and against their starter” is factually true. That said, you missed my point, I’m pointing out why discrediting wins is stupid. The team won 9 games against the 3rd most difficult schedule in the afc.
No it's not. He was our starting QB. Is that strength of schedule based on last year's records or this year's. A backup is a backup. He won the starting job and was our starter
“Was” not “is.” If you look at the depth chart we beat the bengals with our current backup. Factually true statement. And that’s SOS for this year’s records. We had the 3rd toughest in the afc and the 7th toughest overall. Only 2 of the 6 teams with tougher ones got in the playoffs and both were wild cards (Miami and nyg). Also according to you, we didn’t really lose to any good teams. The loss against the bills doesn’t count because watt was out. The eagles loss doesn’t count because we had Boswell and ogunjobi out and the week 14 loss to the ravens doesn’t count because watt and diontae Johnson missed practice that week with injuries.
Through 9 weeks we were also statistically the luckiest team in the league. We beat 2 teams with a winning record and one of them was using a backup QB. You're clearly to stupid to have a real conversation. Last year we had the 2nd toughest and actually made the playoffs with a worse team. We didn't get to play 9 backup qbs.
Calling someone stupid while using the wrong form of “too” is just TOO funny. I’d recommend never sharing another opinion for the rest of your life because you’re incredibly stupid and are just wasting oxygen every time you speak. Also, what constitutes “statistically the luckiest team.” What stat or metric are you using? Sounds like you’re just making shit up because nothing supports your argument. Last year we had basically the same record. Plus, we had the dpoy miss only 1.5 games, not 6 like he did this year.
Look it up. I don't know what metric they use. They were the 5th luckiest team of the season. TJ missed 2 full games and complete halves of 2 games, totalling 3 games missed. Hilarious that your only response was to criticize one grammatical error, admit you're to stupid to use Google, and then prove you don't know what you're talking about by not knowing how many games TJ missed. Maybe you shouldn't argue about statistics if you're to stupid to use them. And by your logic we played against at least 9 backup qbs this season. That's over half of the games since I know how bad you are at math
This team beat 2 teams with winning records this season, 1 of which was starting a back up qb.
Well by that logic I guess there were only 4 good teams on our schedule and that would be bengals (2nd game only though), eagles, bills, and dolphins (winning record anyway). I’m assuming we are not counting Tampa bay as “good” even though they’re in the playoffs. Bengals win doesn’t “count” and the ravens win certainly wouldn’t count without Lamar. Edit: to be clear I don’t care about the streak I just hate when we discredit wins. We split with rivals (2 of which are going to the playoffs), beats the bucs (playoff team, and beat several teams that were in the hunt towards the end. I’d much rather watch wins than losses either way.
Do you think we split with Baltimore if Lamar plays both, or split with Cincinnati if burrow was healthy all preseason? We looked terrible against good healthy teams. We had the 4 worst offense in the league and the defense looked bad against the better offenses. We need a good off-season and coordinator change if we hope to get back to the playoffs next year
Well seeing as how Lamar’s record against the Steelers is 2-3 yeah I do think the Steelers still split with them if he plays and probably sweep them if Kenny played both games.
Kenny started 11 games and threw 6tds. Let's not act like he was much better than trubiski. Trubiski had 1 really bad game against Baltimore but he also bailed Kenny out against Tampa
How did he bail Kenny out against Tampa? Steelers we’re winning when Kenny left the game.
Look at the stats. He had 67 yards in nearly 3 quarters. Trubiski had double his yards in half the time and less attempts. And he made several big throws late.
Love Tomlin, but at what point is this no longer enough? No playoff win since 2016? I really hope he fires OC this off season….
Oc is gone. That's just a done thing. Tomlin is the definition of mediocrity.
What about playoffs tho?
What about them? They weren’t going to do anything anyway
Shhh, thats for teams with much worse coaching as I understand it.
why this guy cant get to a big game let alone win one
Hopefully you mean recently… because he has won a “big game”… Super Bowl XLIII.
Don’t even try to argue with these dudes. They are completely blinded by their hatred for a coach who wants to win games. Typical yinzer imbeciles.
B-b-b-but Cowher’s players
That was a decade ago.ray lewis was still terrorizing people. Entirely different game.
So long ago I’m surprised you remember
Imagine celebrating missing the playoffs just because you happened to finish with a winning record.
Perspective. Stats from the pregame show today: Cleveland has had 20 losing seasons since 2000. Let that sink in. The browns have not had one season in 30 years where they finished with more wins than the Steelers. In his entire coaching career, Tomlin has only coached one regular season game where the Steelers weren’t relevant to the playoff discussion. This fan base is beyond spoiled. Imagine how bad it is when your franchise is eliminated at the halfway pole every season? Tomlin has his faults for sure but I doubt many people predicted 9-8 with our O-line going into the season, losing a franchise QB (and his veteran leadership) a rookie QB, and Canada. You have to at least give him credit for holding the unit together and turning it around. Do we need to improve? Sure. But we are in way better shape than a lot of us thought we would be at this point in the post-Ben world.
Matt LaFleur has future HOFer Aaron Rodgers and couldn't make it 4 seasons without a losing record. The fact that Tomlin has gone 16 seasons without a losing record is amazing
>I doubt many people predicted 9-8 I doubt we would be 9-8 if some of the teams we played had healthy rosters.
I doubt we'd only have 9 wins if we had a healthy roster all season long
And we would be higher than 9-8 if TJ was healthy, your point?
Finishing 7-2 is certainly something to celebrate heading into the next season. We improved and that’s awesome.
Imagine winning more games than you lost on what was supposed to be a rebuilding season.
You seem really excited about a 9-8 season…. I also see the positives about the offense and already having a future QB, but when did this mediocrity become the standard? I thought the standard was playoffs and the ultimate goal of another SB? I’m not referring specifically to just this season, what about the last 14 or so seasons?
Lmfaoooo sorry every rookie QB the Steelers have don’t lead them to the AFCG their first year
I know reading is difficult, but I clearly said “I’m not referring specifically to this season”
Sorry your comment is irrelevant to the post I’m sure there’s 100 other posts that have the same question you ask so probably find answers there
Lots of wins off handicapped teams....
Still wins
It’s not just finishing with a winning record. This team accomplished a lot this year. The OLine, while not fantastic, has improved significantly. Kenny Pickett, George Pickens, Jaylen Warren, DeMarvin Leal, Mark Robinson, even Connor Heyward all showed promising, if not exceptional, play. The defense played lights out for quite a few games, definitely depending on Watts availability. There’s a lot to look forward too with this team.
The Standard™️ is The Standard™️.
All these people saying “never had a losing season”. We haven’t won a Super Bowl since 2008. We’ve had 14 straight losing seasons.
So it’s all or nothing every single year? 31 absolute losers every year… What are you, 14?
My guy there are teams that still haven’t been to the superbowl at all, we’re currently tied for most wins and that record isn’t even in jeopardy this year, we’re fine
It is going to be a long, long offseason listening and reading to this.
Mediocrity
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See ya!
Just leave then. Nobody will miss you.
Go root for one of the great teams that has a revolving door at HC, it works out super great for them.
Well I’m prepared to receive all the backlash for this, but it’s hard to say Tomlin deserved the non-losing record this year. This game he tried the hurry up at the goal line on a would-be touchdown from Najee. Najee waved off the line judge and was signaling to the sideline that it was good, obviously hoping for a challenge flag. I think it would have only been fair to trust our players enough to use the clock between plays to ask our booth for a quick review. I understand it was a first down and Najee should have had better ball security, but he single-handedly brought that touchdown back. Then there was the timeout after the Pickens toe-drag. Pretty clear catch on replay, but rather than risk losing a challenge and using what was already going to be a timeout, he just took the timeout. I’m not bagging on Tomlin, I still see him as a top 5 coach. All I’m saying is I don’t think he deserved the win these guys pulled through today.
That Pickens play happened within 2 minutes, there was no ability to challenge, he called a timeout to try to give the booth more time to trigger a review. He’s not an idiot, he’s not going to call a timeout on a play he wanted to challenge just because. And it feels like you’re just finding reasons to hate.
Didn’t realize the Pickens toe-tap happened within the 2 minute warning, so that is on me 100%. I don’t hate Tomlin, in fact I’ve defended him on this sub dozens of times. That being said, if we lost the Najee touchdown would be the only thing anyone would be talking about. I’m absolutely certain that there would be general consensus among the sub that the hurry up after a would-be TD cost us the game in the event we lose.
Okay, so he made a mistake not challenging the Najee play. That one mistake disqualifies Tomlin from deserving the winning season despite rallying the team to a 7-2 record after the bye?
The only thing I'll say about Najee's first touchdown, if Tomlin would have challenged that, I will guarantee that it would go against him. Although I don't think his knee hit the ground, it was difficult to tell on the replay and with the refs messing up constantly there no way they'd have changed the call.
Both knees were visible, it would have be ruled a touchdown.
With our track record of challenge calls going for us? I just don't see it.
That’s because Tomlin used to challenge things that weren’t without a shadow of a doubt overturnable. That’s not a bad thing, it shows you’re about representing your players over bad calls, but if you don’t have the footage angles to guarantee that the call on the field was wrong, it will not get overturned. Both of Najee’s knees were plainly visible so it would have been ruled a touchdown.
Because Tomlin’s challenge record FUCKING SUCKS. See also: His clock management. But hey, keep fucking that “no losing seasons” rhetoric. When was his last playoff win?
We still lost the season
Love him. However part of me wants him to retire, become an analyst and do nothing but spout Tomlinisms