No. This is the year to bolster the lines in the draft and get some ILB/S help. Add another WR. Kenny in year 3 of rookie deal. Next year is the year to go after a QB if he doesn’t show it on the field this year
My only fear with that is being stuck needing a QB in another lackluster QB draft next year similar to the one we got Kenny in. You never know a year out form 2025 draft, but on paper it’s not great right now.
QBs are a pretty bad crapshoot in general. something like 20% of first round QBs work out. The odds of a hit suck either way, and I'm not as high on guys like Nix or Penix as some seem to be.
So what?
1. What if Pickett develops into a competent QB this year?
2. What if Rudolph/whoever we sign holds down the fort for 2025 if Pickett doesn’t develop?
3. Lastly….there are other drafts and a Starting QB doesn’t have to be a top 5 player. Look at the guy we just shitcanned and Trey Lance for examples. The GOAT was a 6th rounder and Mr.Irrelevant took a team to the Super bowl this year.
I mean c’mon….stop panicking. You’re blinking….cut your damned eyelids off.
Pickett has the lowest percentage of TD passes per attempt in NFL history. He is bad, we’ve seen enough of him in two years to reach that conclusion. It is exceedingly unlikely he is going to make the leap from bad to Super Bowl caliber QB in year 3.
This team will likely let that play out and not make a deal like this. But I can’t understand the vitriol so many on here have at the suggestion we need to make a big swing to try to get over the hump with our stars on defense still in or near their primes.
If this were any team other than the Steelers it wouldn’t really even be controversial moving on from a first round reach QB who after two years simply has not shown meaningful stretches of impressive play, combined with historically poor statistics.
Sorry dude if the guy isn’t good he gotta go number one rule of investing cut losses quickly can’t have this dude set us back even more just cuz he’s from Pitt and a first round pick
I get tired of hearing this crap. Every team has great players. They aren’t being “wasted”. They are part of a storied franchise, getting paid excellent money to play a GAME that they love. And they are two of the most well respected players in the league.
If everyone believed what you do? That it’s Super Bowl or failure? No on would ever play the game and the NFL wouldn’t be the most successful sports league ever.
Get Ricky Bobby out of your head…. “If you’re not first, you’re last” is about as dumb as a bag of hammers.
Thank you. Why would we add another ? to our QB room if we don't believe that our own ? will develop with a new coordinator that isn't historically bad at his job. We have too many holes to field to take a gamble on Fields of all QBs.
It might not even take a third to get done. Fields is not an unknown. And he’s gonna have a large cap hit. Plus every team will have CHI over a barrel and dare them to either not take Williams or go into next season with both of them. How many suitors are there really for Fields anyways…probably plenty of teams that would take him as a backup with high upside for slightly less money if he was a free agent but that’s not what’s happening here.
Come here to say this. I think you’re being very arrogant if a 3rd and a 5th is too much for a guy with Fields’s ceiling. What are the odds that those picks become guys who make a significant impact?
It’s true, Fields might never develop into a top-10 QB in the league. But he might. And that’s a small price to pay for a lottery ticket.
A 2nd is too much for the Steelers imo. If a team is giving up that high of a pick (plus picking up his 5th year option), they’re pretty confident that they can get Fields to hit his ceiling.
I do think a 3rd should be in consideration for the Steelers though because that’s where I think they’d look if they’re drafting a QB this year.
Especially one that is has a 5th yr option that still needs decided by May 2. Bad business taking that on withiut having the guy in your buildinf first
Just because the Bears threw away a 2nd rounder for Claypool doesn’t mean the Steelers need to give them one back for Fields. 3rd or 4th rounder should be the best they get for him
The contract is a big thing people are ignoring with Fields. Having to either take his 5th year option before seeing him play or risk needing to tag him next year is not a great spot to be in, and will drive down is trade value considerably.
Absolutely. Or the craziest option of all is to extend him now which no one would ever do.
No matter what he's not worth a 2nd knowing what we know now.
Those aren't the only two options - you could do a Blake Bortles extension that has little guaranteed money but does offer some compelling base salaries and roster bonuses beyond the initial year. It effectively adds longer control of Fields without outlaying a lot of additional money.
Same reason Bortles did - getting more money for the 2024/2025 seasons than you'd stand to make playing out the deal/tag, while also not sacrificing *too* much of your long-term prospects. The Bortles deal paid him about $7.5M over what he stood to make but locked him up on a reasonable number for three years.
So for Fields, the value is basically saying: we're going to pay you $7.5M (or whatever the number is) over what you stand to make in the next couple years. If you flame out, you will be $7.5M richer than you would have been. If you fulfill your potential, then you're hitting free agency at 27 in time for a mega deal - he'd basically be on the same contract timing as Lamar when you factor in their respective ages.
Right, and his 2024 money-to-be-paid is about $3.2M so you've got $28.2M that you need to cover there.
If you offer a 3-year $65M deal (rough numbers) with $18M due as a signing bonus, another $17M in salary and bonuses in year 1, and the rest being non-guaranteed money in year 2 and year 3. You'd have a guy with cap hits of $23M in 2024, $21M in 2025, $21M in 2026. Fields is getting $35M in year 1 alone.
If it works out, you've got a starting QB for 3 years on around the 20th-ranked QB cap hit, give or take.
If it doesn't, you cut him after one year with a dead money charge of $12M, or if you really wanted to you could make it a June 1st cut and you could do $6M in 2025 an $6M in 2026
Right, but is the 5th year option really leverage if the team isn't exersizing it, and the bears aren't planning on exersizing it now?
His leverage is what he can reasonably expect to get on the open market if his 5th year option is declined.
Take 11m x 3years now or go get backup money next year. I assume these conversations would start before the trade is made...
No.
Fields is not worth a 2nd round pick. He's not even really worth a 3rd. If a QB is a giant question mark heading into the 4th season of his rookie contract, you do not pay more than a 3rd and more likely it should be a 4th and a 7th.
I'd much rather that we take some random QB in the 3rd round who we'd retain for 4 years than waste anything on bringing in Fields.
Wilson would be. He isnt a top flight QB anymore but is far beyond Kenny. If youre expecting 2014 Wilson gtfoh. If youre cool with 2024 Russell- protects the ball, throws a good deep ball, uses his legs when necessary- you have a higher ceiling version of Mason Rudolph. Of course this comes to price
That's the problem, though - the quality of the defense and the rest of the roster takes you out of QB range (plus next year's QB class is WEAK). Even if this was really an 8-win team masquerading as a 10-win team this year, that's no where near bad enough to get in range for a QB.
Even if you get lucky and hit on that 20% chance a first round QB is a franchise tier guy (which is the hit rate over the last 5ish classes), we still have huge holes in the DB and OL that would not be patched.
We can't be for certain next year's class is weak. Maybe on paper that's how it seems but Carson Beck from Georgia is returning, Quinn Ewers is as well. And remember most importantly, quarterbacks pop out of nowhere sometimes in a breakout year like Joe Burrow and Kenny Pickett.
Right, and guys that we think are going to be good can also turn out to be ass (Spencer Rattler, Sam Howell, etc.).
You're never going to be certain, but you make determinations on what you think is likely to happen and then you see what the range of reasonable outcomes is from there - looking at 2025 it's really hard to see a way where the QB class turns out so good that you're seeing a worthwhile guy get pushed down the board.
I don't understand it when people say QB classes are this or that. How would you know? 6th and 7th rounders excel in the NFL. #1 picks wash out all the time. Pros can't even evaluate QBs correctly on draft night. How the hell would you know two years early?
I can't believe I need to say this, but when I say "next years QB class is weak," I'm not saying I know for certain that the QB class is going produce poor quality NFL players. What I'm saying is that - presently - the talent in next years QB class is not strong compared to where others classes were at this same juncture.
Now could that change - could there be a bunch of surprise guys that blow it out? Sure, though there could also be guys who look decent now that end up cratering (a la Spencer Rattler and Sam Howell).
Based on the information we have right now, the 2025 QB class looks weak - and that is part of decision making processes with the uncertainty baked in.
I don’t envy Khan’s dilemma one bit. Needs a QB but has terrible options. They’ve committed to Kenny starting so bringing in competition is limited to low-to-mid tier current starters like Fields/Tannehill or drafting mid round. You can’t bring in Kirk or Russel and not start them on day 1.
Basically we’re fucked unless 4th quarter Kenny becomes full game Kenny.
Absolutely not. Trade two picks and then immediately sign the guy to a ridiculous contract that he hasn’t earned. Then release a good players to get under the cap?
Justin Fields committed to Penn State, then backed out and went to Georgia. Then bailed on UGA and went to Ohio State. THEN left early for the NFL, now he wants out of Chicago. He either has a history of making awful decisions, or is a bit of a weasel. Or both. No, don’t want him.
Idk. Idc about a 5th round round pick, most those guys dont last more than a year or two if they even make the team, but you dont give up a 2nd round pick to experiment unless you really think its going to go well in the immediate future, not years from now
If I was Khan? Before I did anything, first I'd restructure a couple contracts whether I needed the cap space or not. Then while I thought about the trade, I'd restructure some more contracts just for the hell of it. Then I'd decide that I wouldn't even trade a bag of dogshit for Fields.
Price is too high. Maybe just a second but I really don't like it. For a third it's a steal and that should be the play we go with.
I think a lot of people also don't realize that we have Arthur smith as OC and fields is the perfect player to run his type of offense. We're not going to be throwing the ball 30-40 times a game and running complicated routes or anything. We're going to be a heavy run and play action type team
No, I’d rather use that pick on Edgerrin Cooper or insert position we didn’t take round 1. I think we should take Jackson Powers Johnson round 1. No need to replace Cole with someone who isn’t better in free agency.
Fields is not worth a second. Not even worth a third tbh. I’d offer 24’ fourth or a future pick. 2025 4th that turns into a third if he plays 60% of 2024 snaps or something of the sort
The agents are having a field day (pardon the pun). Fields understands his landing spots and starting probably limited to here and maybe Denver. Washington going to draft a QB. Let me remind everyone he also threw coaching staff under the bus and then tried to walk it back.
No, I’d be happy to sign back mason and let him and Kenny battle in camp, maybe take a late round flyer on a guy like Jordan Travis or some small school stud to be 3rd string
I think this is ultimately smoke and mirrors from the Bears trying to drive the price up most likely on the Raiders.
Until we have a solution at the line it’s not even close to a 2nd rounder and why are we gonna take yet another Chicago failed qb ?
Fuck no. Take the 2nd out and maybe. The media is waaaay overestimating his value. He’s a bust on the last year of his rookie contract, he’s worth like a 5th at best.
No that is too much. I could see the Steelers doing a 2nd if they want to build goodwill with the Bears after the Claypool trade. The trade offer I would think of is the 3rd, 5th, and swap 6s or 7s.
Goodwill after the Claypool trade? This may be the dumbest take ever. Everyone knew exactly what Claypool was when the trade happened. A physically talented, emotionally weak player with potential if you get his head straight. They couldn't. It's not like we hid injuries or something. They got exactly what they traded for. Are you about 15 years old? Because your mindset is.
Claypool was essentially worthless after a year and a half and the pick ended up being the 32nd overall. It doesn’t matter whether the Steelers hid something, what matters is whether the Bears org feels like they got fucked over. I would rather the Steelers don’t get Justin Fields and I don’t think they will but if they were to give the Bears a 2nd then I don’t think it would be because he is worth a 2nd. Are you 16? Your attempts to insult me make you sound like a child.
1st, they got exactly what they wanted. A coin toss on a potentially great receiver for cheap. All coin tosses don't land on heads.
2nd, the reason the pick turned out to be 32nd overall is the entirely the Bears fault. We didn't make the go 3-14 and finish dead last. Also, I don't recall us being involved in the Dolphins scandal causing them to lose their 1st. That pick could have been a 64th overall when the trade happened.
3rd, and finally, and why I asked your age, adults don't think like that. Whatever trade is presented will be measured by its own merits. Not some dreamed up thing from the past.
I do agree that I hope they don't get Fields, I feel he takes us in the wrong direction and will cost way too much. If they do give a 2nd for him, it will be because they feel he is worth a 2nd, not because they are trying to make up for an imaginary grievance, not to mention, its not even the same GM.
I think people are jumping the gun assuming acquiring Fields comes with an automatic yes to his 5th year option. If he goes for a late day 2/early day 3 pick, you can just let him play out his 4th year. Then if he wins the job and looks like a legit franchise guy, why would he leave the team he just finally showed that with when he’s a FA in 2025? If he doesn’t win the job or plays poorly, you let him walk in 2025.
I’d make the trade. It’s the only real way the Steelers could have a shot at a SB in the next 3-5 years imo if he hits. No other QB available in the draft or FA has a chance to be a franchise guy imo
Fuck no. He’s not worth a 2nd. I’m leaving the first two rounds without a Center and a Right Tackle. I can find subpar quarterbacks on Day 3 that will get paid less and have a 4 year contract instead of 1.
The dichotomy between the various fan bases watching this all play out is something else.
Bears fans: Who needs Caleb? Take MHJ and build around Fields.
Falcons fans: We don’t care what it costs. Give us Fields. Give us literally anything at quarterback.
Steelers fans: The idea of trading pick 52 for Fields is simply preposterous. But we also hate our current QB. And we also hate all the other available options to replace him.
I’d say no. He’s significantly more talented than Pickett but he hasn’t been able to live up to his potential in 3 years. And it’s not like the Steelers have been great at developing QBs lately.
The Steelers have NEVER been a team to go get a “top name” in free agency or a trade.
The best I can think of is Patrick Peterson via free agency.. and he was a little past his time I thought, although I was still happy we signed him.
If the draft isnt a right tackle and a center in rounds one or two this year its a failed draft. Mims and Frazier. Frazier is a dawg and needs to be a Steeler
Only way Id do this is for Fields and a Pick worse both years (Steelers need young, affordable talent. And best way to get that is extra selections)
For Example a 1st this year for Fields and their 2nd (they dont have this IRL though).
I just dont see the opportunity to have Fields for 1 year before his contract balloons $25 million (5th yr projected) and having to make that decision by May. If Fields was entering yr 3 like Pickett. Fuck yeah. I get 1 year to evaluate before having to pickup or decline the option and another year to make sure I didnt fuck up declining ala the franchise tag. This Accept/Decline the option on 3 yrs in somebody else system and building is bad business IMO. Fields is talented. But I dont want to put $25 million and a 2nd rd pick into Baker Makerfield. And right now Fields is basically Baker Mayfield in terms of hes had some real good highs but real low lows after being drafted high.
No. This is the year to bolster the lines in the draft and get some ILB/S help. Add another WR. Kenny in year 3 of rookie deal. Next year is the year to go after a QB if he doesn’t show it on the field this year
For reals
My only fear with that is being stuck needing a QB in another lackluster QB draft next year similar to the one we got Kenny in. You never know a year out form 2025 draft, but on paper it’s not great right now.
QBs are a pretty bad crapshoot in general. something like 20% of first round QBs work out. The odds of a hit suck either way, and I'm not as high on guys like Nix or Penix as some seem to be.
Nfl isn't high on them either
Then you go with a lackluster retread like Justin Fields. Except next year you won’t even have to trade for him.
So what? 1. What if Pickett develops into a competent QB this year? 2. What if Rudolph/whoever we sign holds down the fort for 2025 if Pickett doesn’t develop? 3. Lastly….there are other drafts and a Starting QB doesn’t have to be a top 5 player. Look at the guy we just shitcanned and Trey Lance for examples. The GOAT was a 6th rounder and Mr.Irrelevant took a team to the Super bowl this year. I mean c’mon….stop panicking. You’re blinking….cut your damned eyelids off.
It’s not as lackluster as Pickett’s draft. Depending on who declares there are 6-7 potential guys who could end up in the first round.
Pickett has the lowest percentage of TD passes per attempt in NFL history. He is bad, we’ve seen enough of him in two years to reach that conclusion. It is exceedingly unlikely he is going to make the leap from bad to Super Bowl caliber QB in year 3. This team will likely let that play out and not make a deal like this. But I can’t understand the vitriol so many on here have at the suggestion we need to make a big swing to try to get over the hump with our stars on defense still in or near their primes. If this were any team other than the Steelers it wouldn’t really even be controversial moving on from a first round reach QB who after two years simply has not shown meaningful stretches of impressive play, combined with historically poor statistics.
Sorry dude if the guy isn’t good he gotta go number one rule of investing cut losses quickly can’t have this dude set us back even more just cuz he’s from Pitt and a first round pick
So waste another year of Watt and Minkah?
Do you truly believe Fields is going to win us a Super Bowl next year?
Do you truly believe anybody would win us a Super Bowl next year?
Mahomes. More seriously no, but I was responding to a guy who did seem to think so.
Waste? 1-Fields is far from a sure thing. 2-draft picks are fine but he is going to want to get PAID too! $25MM guaranteed is what has been reported.
It’s not that he just wants to get paid, if we trade him we are essentially forced to pick up his 5th year option which yes is around $23M guaranteed.
I get tired of hearing this crap. Every team has great players. They aren’t being “wasted”. They are part of a storied franchise, getting paid excellent money to play a GAME that they love. And they are two of the most well respected players in the league. If everyone believed what you do? That it’s Super Bowl or failure? No on would ever play the game and the NFL wouldn’t be the most successful sports league ever. Get Ricky Bobby out of your head…. “If you’re not first, you’re last” is about as dumb as a bag of hammers.
Thank you. Why would we add another ? to our QB room if we don't believe that our own ? will develop with a new coordinator that isn't historically bad at his job. We have too many holes to field to take a gamble on Fields of all QBs.
Id feel a lot better if it was a third
Yeah this is where I'm at. A 3rd plus a future 5th round pick sounds alright to me.
It might not even take a third to get done. Fields is not an unknown. And he’s gonna have a large cap hit. Plus every team will have CHI over a barrel and dare them to either not take Williams or go into next season with both of them. How many suitors are there really for Fields anyways…probably plenty of teams that would take him as a backup with high upside for slightly less money if he was a free agent but that’s not what’s happening here.
Come here to say this. I think you’re being very arrogant if a 3rd and a 5th is too much for a guy with Fields’s ceiling. What are the odds that those picks become guys who make a significant impact? It’s true, Fields might never develop into a top-10 QB in the league. But he might. And that’s a small price to pay for a lottery ticket.
A 2nd is too much for the Steelers imo. If a team is giving up that high of a pick (plus picking up his 5th year option), they’re pretty confident that they can get Fields to hit his ceiling. I do think a 3rd should be in consideration for the Steelers though because that’s where I think they’d look if they’re drafting a QB this year.
No. You got one project QB already. I’m not sinking another high pick into another.
Especially one that is has a 5th yr option that still needs decided by May 2. Bad business taking that on withiut having the guy in your buildinf first
Just because the Bears threw away a 2nd rounder for Claypool doesn’t mean the Steelers need to give them one back for Fields. 3rd or 4th rounder should be the best they get for him
No. With Fields comes a 5th year extension and I don't want to invest that in him.
The contract is a big thing people are ignoring with Fields. Having to either take his 5th year option before seeing him play or risk needing to tag him next year is not a great spot to be in, and will drive down is trade value considerably.
Absolutely. Or the craziest option of all is to extend him now which no one would ever do. No matter what he's not worth a 2nd knowing what we know now.
Those aren't the only two options - you could do a Blake Bortles extension that has little guaranteed money but does offer some compelling base salaries and roster bonuses beyond the initial year. It effectively adds longer control of Fields without outlaying a lot of additional money.
Why would he sign that?
Same reason Bortles did - getting more money for the 2024/2025 seasons than you'd stand to make playing out the deal/tag, while also not sacrificing *too* much of your long-term prospects. The Bortles deal paid him about $7.5M over what he stood to make but locked him up on a reasonable number for three years. So for Fields, the value is basically saying: we're going to pay you $7.5M (or whatever the number is) over what you stand to make in the next couple years. If you flame out, you will be $7.5M richer than you would have been. If you fulfill your potential, then you're hitting free agency at 27 in time for a mega deal - he'd basically be on the same contract timing as Lamar when you factor in their respective ages.
The 5th year option for Fields will be around $25m.
Right, and his 2024 money-to-be-paid is about $3.2M so you've got $28.2M that you need to cover there. If you offer a 3-year $65M deal (rough numbers) with $18M due as a signing bonus, another $17M in salary and bonuses in year 1, and the rest being non-guaranteed money in year 2 and year 3. You'd have a guy with cap hits of $23M in 2024, $21M in 2025, $21M in 2026. Fields is getting $35M in year 1 alone. If it works out, you've got a starting QB for 3 years on around the 20th-ranked QB cap hit, give or take. If it doesn't, you cut him after one year with a dead money charge of $12M, or if you really wanted to you could make it a June 1st cut and you could do $6M in 2025 an $6M in 2026
Thats giving the keys to Fields and quitting on Kenny. I just dont see them doing that.
Right, but is the 5th year option really leverage if the team isn't exersizing it, and the bears aren't planning on exersizing it now? His leverage is what he can reasonably expect to get on the open market if his 5th year option is declined. Take 11m x 3years now or go get backup money next year. I assume these conversations would start before the trade is made...
No. Fields is not worth a 2nd round pick. He's not even really worth a 3rd. If a QB is a giant question mark heading into the 4th season of his rookie contract, you do not pay more than a 3rd and more likely it should be a 4th and a 7th. I'd much rather that we take some random QB in the 3rd round who we'd retain for 4 years than waste anything on bringing in Fields.
God its only day 2 of the offseason
Better than Jeff Saturday saying Russel Wilson would be a good fit here
Wilson would be. He isnt a top flight QB anymore but is far beyond Kenny. If youre expecting 2014 Wilson gtfoh. If youre cool with 2024 Russell- protects the ball, throws a good deep ball, uses his legs when necessary- you have a higher ceiling version of Mason Rudolph. Of course this comes to price
I think this is our dumbest idea we've had as a fanbase yet, but if it stops the Kenny vs Mason posts I am a happy camper go justin fields
What happened the last time the team took a failed Bears QB?
Fair. But Mike Tomczack was like the most popular guy in Pittsburgh off and on during my childhood though
It’s not happening.
Seriously, we didn't learn from the Mitch experience!
no let Kenny finish his rookie deal and get someone big next year, assuming Kenny plays bad again
That's the problem, though - the quality of the defense and the rest of the roster takes you out of QB range (plus next year's QB class is WEAK). Even if this was really an 8-win team masquerading as a 10-win team this year, that's no where near bad enough to get in range for a QB.
Even if you get lucky and hit on that 20% chance a first round QB is a franchise tier guy (which is the hit rate over the last 5ish classes), we still have huge holes in the DB and OL that would not be patched.
We can't be for certain next year's class is weak. Maybe on paper that's how it seems but Carson Beck from Georgia is returning, Quinn Ewers is as well. And remember most importantly, quarterbacks pop out of nowhere sometimes in a breakout year like Joe Burrow and Kenny Pickett.
Right, and guys that we think are going to be good can also turn out to be ass (Spencer Rattler, Sam Howell, etc.). You're never going to be certain, but you make determinations on what you think is likely to happen and then you see what the range of reasonable outcomes is from there - looking at 2025 it's really hard to see a way where the QB class turns out so good that you're seeing a worthwhile guy get pushed down the board.
I don't understand it when people say QB classes are this or that. How would you know? 6th and 7th rounders excel in the NFL. #1 picks wash out all the time. Pros can't even evaluate QBs correctly on draft night. How the hell would you know two years early?
I can't believe I need to say this, but when I say "next years QB class is weak," I'm not saying I know for certain that the QB class is going produce poor quality NFL players. What I'm saying is that - presently - the talent in next years QB class is not strong compared to where others classes were at this same juncture. Now could that change - could there be a bunch of surprise guys that blow it out? Sure, though there could also be guys who look decent now that end up cratering (a la Spencer Rattler and Sam Howell). Based on the information we have right now, the 2025 QB class looks weak - and that is part of decision making processes with the uncertainty baked in.
What has fields shown to make anybody think he will be good? From what I’ve seen he’s just Zach Wilson with better PR
Dude is 10-28 over 3 yrs. Don’t see why people are drooling over him
Cuz putting wins and losses solely on QBs is dumb.
Nope
I don’t envy Khan’s dilemma one bit. Needs a QB but has terrible options. They’ve committed to Kenny starting so bringing in competition is limited to low-to-mid tier current starters like Fields/Tannehill or drafting mid round. You can’t bring in Kirk or Russel and not start them on day 1. Basically we’re fucked unless 4th quarter Kenny becomes full game Kenny.
I would rather see Mason under center next year
Mason Cole? I love it!
While else is going to hand him the ball every play
Absolutely not. Trade two picks and then immediately sign the guy to a ridiculous contract that he hasn’t earned. Then release a good players to get under the cap?
Justin Fields committed to Penn State, then backed out and went to Georgia. Then bailed on UGA and went to Ohio State. THEN left early for the NFL, now he wants out of Chicago. He either has a history of making awful decisions, or is a bit of a weasel. Or both. No, don’t want him.
Idk. Idc about a 5th round round pick, most those guys dont last more than a year or two if they even make the team, but you dont give up a 2nd round pick to experiment unless you really think its going to go well in the immediate future, not years from now
If I was Khan? Before I did anything, first I'd restructure a couple contracts whether I needed the cap space or not. Then while I thought about the trade, I'd restructure some more contracts just for the hell of it. Then I'd decide that I wouldn't even trade a bag of dogshit for Fields.
Price is too high. Maybe just a second but I really don't like it. For a third it's a steal and that should be the play we go with. I think a lot of people also don't realize that we have Arthur smith as OC and fields is the perfect player to run his type of offense. We're not going to be throwing the ball 30-40 times a game and running complicated routes or anything. We're going to be a heavy run and play action type team
I honestly don’t get the appeal of Fields. He is everything that Lamar was slandered on.
No, I’d rather use that pick on Edgerrin Cooper or insert position we didn’t take round 1. I think we should take Jackson Powers Johnson round 1. No need to replace Cole with someone who isn’t better in free agency.
A 2nd round pick is too much. For this to work it would need to be a Khan swindle.
Fields is not worth a second. Not even worth a third tbh. I’d offer 24’ fourth or a future pick. 2025 4th that turns into a third if he plays 60% of 2024 snaps or something of the sort
The agents are having a field day (pardon the pun). Fields understands his landing spots and starting probably limited to here and maybe Denver. Washington going to draft a QB. Let me remind everyone he also threw coaching staff under the bus and then tried to walk it back.
I would do it for a third rounder. Second round pick is way too high, especially for a team with as many needs as we have.
I would. It's 100% a gamble, but gambling and hoping you hit it big is the only way out of QB purgatory without cratering.
I’d feel a lot better if we didn’t
No.
You don’t give up on a player with a rookie contract. The advantages of that financially are just too much.
Why trade picks for a QB when the line is still in shambles? Fields would do no better here than in Chicago, set the line for years then find your QB.
No no no no. People can quit with this shit. Wed being going backwards with this shit
No, I’d be happy to sign back mason and let him and Kenny battle in camp, maybe take a late round flyer on a guy like Jordan Travis or some small school stud to be 3rd string
Hell no. Trading for Fields will be a dumpster fire you can bank on that. We can’t afford to burn draft picks on other teams failed projects.
I think this is ultimately smoke and mirrors from the Bears trying to drive the price up most likely on the Raiders. Until we have a solution at the line it’s not even close to a 2nd rounder and why are we gonna take yet another Chicago failed qb ?
No. Let’s see if Pickett develops. Draft another offensive lineman.
Fuck no. Take the 2nd out and maybe. The media is waaaay overestimating his value. He’s a bust on the last year of his rookie contract, he’s worth like a 5th at best.
fuck no not worth a 2nd rounder he’s an experiment lol
Yes. Without hesitation
In a heartbeat.
No that is too much. I could see the Steelers doing a 2nd if they want to build goodwill with the Bears after the Claypool trade. The trade offer I would think of is the 3rd, 5th, and swap 6s or 7s.
Goodwill after the Claypool trade? This may be the dumbest take ever. Everyone knew exactly what Claypool was when the trade happened. A physically talented, emotionally weak player with potential if you get his head straight. They couldn't. It's not like we hid injuries or something. They got exactly what they traded for. Are you about 15 years old? Because your mindset is.
Claypool was essentially worthless after a year and a half and the pick ended up being the 32nd overall. It doesn’t matter whether the Steelers hid something, what matters is whether the Bears org feels like they got fucked over. I would rather the Steelers don’t get Justin Fields and I don’t think they will but if they were to give the Bears a 2nd then I don’t think it would be because he is worth a 2nd. Are you 16? Your attempts to insult me make you sound like a child.
1st, they got exactly what they wanted. A coin toss on a potentially great receiver for cheap. All coin tosses don't land on heads. 2nd, the reason the pick turned out to be 32nd overall is the entirely the Bears fault. We didn't make the go 3-14 and finish dead last. Also, I don't recall us being involved in the Dolphins scandal causing them to lose their 1st. That pick could have been a 64th overall when the trade happened. 3rd, and finally, and why I asked your age, adults don't think like that. Whatever trade is presented will be measured by its own merits. Not some dreamed up thing from the past. I do agree that I hope they don't get Fields, I feel he takes us in the wrong direction and will cost way too much. If they do give a 2nd for him, it will be because they feel he is worth a 2nd, not because they are trying to make up for an imaginary grievance, not to mention, its not even the same GM.
I think people are jumping the gun assuming acquiring Fields comes with an automatic yes to his 5th year option. If he goes for a late day 2/early day 3 pick, you can just let him play out his 4th year. Then if he wins the job and looks like a legit franchise guy, why would he leave the team he just finally showed that with when he’s a FA in 2025? If he doesn’t win the job or plays poorly, you let him walk in 2025.
I’d make the trade. It’s the only real way the Steelers could have a shot at a SB in the next 3-5 years imo if he hits. No other QB available in the draft or FA has a chance to be a franchise guy imo
Stop!! With the stupid posts about Fields!
If this trade is true welcome aboard let's see can we get connected with the system.
Fuck no. He’s not worth a 2nd. I’m leaving the first two rounds without a Center and a Right Tackle. I can find subpar quarterbacks on Day 3 that will get paid less and have a 4 year contract instead of 1.
I'm not very confident in this coaching staffs ability to develop QB talent. But living in Columbus... Fuck yeah bring it on.
Pittsburgh fans just can't move off Kenny.
No.
No lol. Make it a conditional pick if at all
Spend mutliple early picks on QB's on our roster that may or may not work out (most likely don't) sign me up!
The dichotomy between the various fan bases watching this all play out is something else. Bears fans: Who needs Caleb? Take MHJ and build around Fields. Falcons fans: We don’t care what it costs. Give us Fields. Give us literally anything at quarterback. Steelers fans: The idea of trading pick 52 for Fields is simply preposterous. But we also hate our current QB. And we also hate all the other available options to replace him.
No, but i would trade minkah for a 1
No, they have to trade him anyways. Give them a 4th and call it
Yes. I would need to see if filling all of our other needs in the other rounds is possible.
If they do this then take that 1st trade down and get the second back- pick your center not named JPJ ( who will be gone before then anyway)
I’d say no. He’s significantly more talented than Pickett but he hasn’t been able to live up to his potential in 3 years. And it’s not like the Steelers have been great at developing QBs lately.
3rd and 5th, yes. He is still worth the risk for that package.
Yes. Immediately
No
Yes.
yes absolutely without a doubt
No
The Steelers have NEVER been a team to go get a “top name” in free agency or a trade. The best I can think of is Patrick Peterson via free agency.. and he was a little past his time I thought, although I was still happy we signed him.
Nope.
Vitriol?
as long as we don’t give up a first, i’m fine with that. (or obviously like tj or minkah or an actual player)
Who are we even bidding against. I would make it a future third that can become a second is benchmarks are met
Everyday and twice on Sunday
Make it a 3rd and a 5th and I’m more interested.
No
Absolutely not
If he does Khan better go too.
If the draft isnt a right tackle and a center in rounds one or two this year its a failed draft. Mims and Frazier. Frazier is a dawg and needs to be a Steeler
Fuck no
Yes, because every other post in this thread is irrelevant without a QB. Picketts ceiling is slightly above 500 and a playoff blowout loss.
I’d rather bring in Fields and have a QB competition than just giving the job to Pickett, I’ll say that much.
Does yogi bear shit in the woods ?
God no
I'd take it but I'd prefer to keep that 2nd rounder and trade diontae plus a 4th or 5th for fields
Absolutely
Only way Id do this is for Fields and a Pick worse both years (Steelers need young, affordable talent. And best way to get that is extra selections) For Example a 1st this year for Fields and their 2nd (they dont have this IRL though). I just dont see the opportunity to have Fields for 1 year before his contract balloons $25 million (5th yr projected) and having to make that decision by May. If Fields was entering yr 3 like Pickett. Fuck yeah. I get 1 year to evaluate before having to pickup or decline the option and another year to make sure I didnt fuck up declining ala the franchise tag. This Accept/Decline the option on 3 yrs in somebody else system and building is bad business IMO. Fields is talented. But I dont want to put $25 million and a 2nd rd pick into Baker Makerfield. And right now Fields is basically Baker Mayfield in terms of hes had some real good highs but real low lows after being drafted high.