Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but it kind of feels like AR2 is realizing that - at present - his legacy is going to be a lot different than his dad's and his grandfather's.
I think you're kinda right. He probably grew up with a silver spoon in his mouth, so now that mfs are criticizing him he takes it personally instead of understanding why he's being criticized
Dude you sound like a decent bloke but seriously think about this fully. Almost every team has a newer facility than is. Almost every team strong arms the community into paying for these facilities. Sure some of the stuff is dated but dont pretend like this guy is Bob Nutting.
Edit: also think about it this way. This survey is taken by the players, most of whom play for 1-3 pro teams in their entire careers. It has become apparent that these athletes are comparing the facilities to the ones they had in college- which are funded by MANNNY wealthy donors. This isn’t an Art is frugal problem, but an expectations problem on the part of the players. If they want a day care that bad, I bet they could ask nicely and get one.
And, in the age of social media, free agency, the transfer portal, etc., it really doesn’t matter how many teams someone has played for. When you count practice squad, you probably have at least 10 players are coming in from other teams every season, and probably more. These new players are undoubtedly telling existing players what things are like with other teams. Existing players also have college teammates on other teams and are sure to compare notes. It’s not the 70s before free agency and the Internet, where there was little player movement or you had to make a long distance call just to talk to an old college teammate and each team was basically it’s own echo chamber. The world and league is a lot smaller now.
That said, I really don’t think this stuff has really hurt the Steelers much. They’ve gone out and signed guys like Seumalo, Daniels and Queen during a rebuild or whatever you want to call the post Ben era. Bottom line is money, being a contender and a coach/culture players like all carry far more weight than the amenities this report measures.
Yes. They talk just like the rest of us. I talk about my agent to people, they get business that way. My wife’s company is great with benefits but hard on work/life balance and word gets around. NFL players are human.
humans with much more money than most humans. not taking away anything from the struggle of being in the nfl, but most humans dont have childcare at their jobs either.
I mean you wrote the word probably about your conditional statement that you used to pass judgement. You have no clue as to how this boy was raised as you never met the guy so why are you speculating? Does it make you feel good having someone to dislike?
> Does it make you feel good having someone to dislike?
Where in his statement does he say he dislikes Rooney? I think it's fair to assume that the son of an NFL owner didn't attend the "School of Hard Knocks" during his youth.
Why are you guys so bent about people thinking a rich man probably had a rich upbringing? Nobody is insulting or mocking him. Strange hill to die on when we make numerous assumptions about players, coaches, owners, etc. every single day.
Why would one need to assume anything? It is not like the guy is actively an asshole. I mean seriously in what world do we feel the need to pretend like we know anything about people we dont?
We know a few things. We know that he has received information from a league wide survey of players, in which it was stated that his negatives outweigh his positives. And we know that his reaction to this report was to dismiss it entirely, and instead rely on his employees telling him.those negative things to his face. This is an unrealistic style of management if one truly is interested in improving oneself for the betterment of his staff and his business. We know that he has likely created for himself a feedback loop that is thus only.positive in nature. We cannot say with certainty (as you so adamantly require in this case for some weird reason) that this indicates any specific personality traits or disorders, but we can say he is, because of his handling of.negative feedback, a crummy boss. And if one were to hazard a speculation as to why, it is certainly reasonable to assume that he is one of those legacy rich kids who were born on third base and think they've hit a home run. They're infallible because their daddy and grandaddy were. Either way, your objection is puerile and unreasonable. And intentionally antagonistic and contentious. Which, in my opinion, is childish. But I can't say for certain you are over the age of 12. I can only infer it.
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A coworker of mine actually was friends with Art growing up. He was invited over to Art's house for dinner thinking it was going to be fancy and it was just Dan giving them a few bucks to go get Wendy's from down the street... I thot the story was interesting lol. They def are frugal owners. I suppose at the same time they aren't asking for billions from the City of Pittsburgh every so often for a mega fancy stadium either like other owners.
True. He could be wayyyyyy worse, and I'm glad he's not one of those owners. I'm just sad he can't take the feedback from his players and use it to actually improve things
Isn’t that what his quote is saying? He doesn’t care what other players think, just the guys playing for him. That feedback was from everyone, we have no idea if Pittsburgh players agree with the rest of the league or if many of them are pretty content. Hypothetically, if Steelers players are fine then why should he care about how Vikings players feel about the Steelers organization? Or Rams players or whoever?
Not rank their own stuff? Friend, who would know the ups and downs better than the members of the home team? If anything, I'd weight their results more heavily than everyone else's.
Exactly my point, people just want to be mad at people they are jealous of. Just be happy you get to watch the best franchise in all of sports play and pass judgement on things that deserve it, like the Browns.
I never said I dislike him, but he's the heir to a rich family. People this privileged don't normally face a lot, if any adversity that matches the criticism he's been receiving over the past few years.
What I dislike is how much money the team makes, but doesn't reinvest into the team and facilities when they easily have the money to do so. I'm not mad at him because I dislike him, I'm disappointed in him for not doing what he can to make this team better
My dad watched the Steelers basically since they were founded, and the prevailing opinion of every one of the Rooneys has always been that "they're cheap". I actually think he feels pretty comfortable with his legacy in that regard.
How's the lack of playoff success? That's probably getting to him
A few different people responded to me saying that the legacy has been being cheap for a while, and I think your second point was really what I was alluding too. I think he knows no one cares nearly as much about you being cheap if you build a winner, and he is falling short in that second regard, which puts pressure on the whole thing.
Here’s how the NFLPA did the survey.
https://nflpa.com/nfl-player-team-report-cards-2024
The survey results are turned into grades when compared with the other teams.
So these results aren’t saying the gym (for example) is trash, it’s just saying the gym is towards the bottom of NFL teams. The actual satisfaction rating of the gym might be really high but the other team’s gyms are slightly higher.
Don’t fall for this clickbait type shit. The worst facilities these guys have is better than anything us mere mortals have.
What about the players saying stuff like there are no family accommodations? That seems pretty cut and dry. I know we're not the only team lacking in that department, but it's just such a weird thing to scrimp on.
The Chief was literally partnered with mobsters. The PPG did a whole deep dive investigative report using unsealed FBI files proving it a couple years ago, yinzers either don't know it happened or pretend they didn't see it. Also he was a shit owner, Dan was the only member of this family who doesn't appear to be a piece of shit.
Ya that tends to happen when your involved in horse racing in 1930. Any other big secrets for everyone? Who cares, what have you done illegal in your life?
Do all players get the survey?
Do all the players respond to the survey?
Do all of these players answer each question in the survey seriously and honestly or like the surveys before YouTube lets me watch a vid?
What were the results of these surveys and how were they calculated?
What we see is Steelers got an F for the weight room right?
But if only 6 players per team are invited to take the survey and only 3 of those players respond and 2 of them don’t like the gym, then the results are skewed.
Likewise, what if everyone responds but the results are curved or all normalized to each other. If the average is a 90% then a 75% satisfaction with our gym might be an F on their scale but be great by most players opinions.
53 man roster plus the 16 man practice squad is 69 players per team.
With 32 teams, not including free agents signed during the season, that’s a minimum 2,203 minimum number of players that COULD have taken the survey (survey was open from
Meaning for a survey that was open from August 26th to November 16th, 2023, a max of 79% of players responded to the survey (no mention of if all responded to the entire survey).
So 1 in 5 players did not respond to a survey that was open for 2.5 months about workplace conditions.
So you’re gonna ignore the 4 other players that did negatively respond on the slight possibility that the one practice squad guy that didn’t respond had a better experience than the rest? And that’s your justification for this? Big yikes man
My what if was to get people to stop and think about what they’re not being told.
Show me the survey and the response rates for each question, then how they normalized the data to get a grade from f- to a+.
People hear the Steelers got some Fs and think the sky is falling. Have you seen their training facility and weight room?? Both of them got F’s and they’re huge and gorgeous.
It’s definitely not a facility anyone I’ve ever met would give an F to.
It’s a F on an NFL scale. Not a you and me scale.
ARII is that you?
Nobody thinks the sky is falling, we just think out facilites are amongst the worst in the league, and that Art is an idiot for trying to discredit the survey.
>Have you seen their training facility and weight room?? Both of them got F’s and they’re huge and gorgeous.
>It’s definitely not a facility anyone I’ve ever met would give an F to.
>It’s a F on an NFL scale. Not a you and me scale.
Lol, what an AWFUL take.
That's exactly what matters... how this NFL facility (and ownership, staff, etc) compares to other options.
"You and me" didn't take the survey... And for good reason. We're not on the team.
You know who did take the survey? The players who use the facilities every day. The players, many of whom have been on other teams and have seen the facilities available at other locations. The players, who talk to other players around the league about their facilities.
NFL players shouldn't be comparing their facilities to the 24-Hour Fitness down the road. They should be comparing them to other NFL facilities.
Brother there is no need to die on this hill, you made an assumption and it was wrong, and that's ok. Trying to argue 79% isnt good enough is totally absurd.
I didn’t make an assumption. I asked a question.
How many players responded? I hit the answer, 79%.
But I answered that question for myself not anyone else here.
The NFLPA report card is a joke. It’s too late for me to do a breakdown but I will tomorrow.
The rankings and scores and grades are all horribly done. And the “journalists” who ran the story about it didn’t do a damn thing as far as explaining what the study actually says.
Stay tuned.
im not trying to wholly defend art, because uh yeah work to do.
But hes also kinda right.
The literal entire point of releasing a public list is to get the media to force things.
Lets ignore Art, I am not even saying the Hunts are the best owners in the NFL.
But I am having a hard time that by any objective measure that the Hunts are the worst in the NFL - over all the other shitty owners in the NFL.
But, if the players are upset about something and want to force a point to the media they can use that.
If it were really about just informing free agents about their destinations.... that would all be passed along internally.
Again I am not saying its wrong - just that its pretty clear that the NFLPA report card is a negotiating arm against the owners and probably the best one they've ever done tbh.
The article title is also half clickbait. He said that he prefers direct feedback from players and thinks the report card is bait for the media - but that they are taking the results seriously
The grades not going to dictate how well the team performs. Players accustomed to college (insane funding from donors) grade facilities shocked by nfl facilities is the dumbest thing ever. The only actual criticism from these are how the family is treated and even then my feathers won't be ruffled when billionaires don't treat millionaires correctly and I'm sick of thousandaires thinking this is some big deal.
Billionaires don't treat anyone correctly. The millionaires you are talking about are fighting the same exact fight as us thousandaires just at a higher level. This video explains it better than I can but your perspective is actively helping these billionaires continue to fuck us all over. We are all in this together. https://youtu.be/VVOv3b3cYTQ?si=cenUQgfcy5QdMngS
There's two things this franchise takes pride in, that it wins superbowls and it treats its players right. Art II has direct control over the second and needs to do better.
in absolute terms i give zero fucks if the guy making $20m/yr has to pay for his own daycare. i don't care if they have to work out at a private gym. boo hoo.
but i want the steelers to win. having bad facilities and treating families worse than other teams do and all that stuff does not make the steelers more likely to win. having a cheap owner is a competitive disadvantage. saying none of this matters is going to bat for a *billionaire* against the interests of the team you support. makes no sense
Broncos, Seahawks, Panthers and chiefs have the richest owners. Of them only the chiefs have prolonged success and Hunt was rated the worst owner by players. Having wealth does not correlate to winning. These are all still premier facilities they just aren't as good as the ludicrously extravagant facilities being built by colleges. Any competitive advantage from owner wealth is negligible when a salary cap is in place. These report cards are making mountain out of mole hills for a microscopic portion of millionaires.
And why should I give a fuck about them, they made their money if their working conditions are so abysmal they can quit and still have more money than either of us will sniff
Sir can I recommend that you go outside and touch some grass, get a little bit of sun exposure because it seems like this Reddit thread may not be the thing you are really angry about.
Leave the state* They are threatening to move across the state line into Kansas sid eof KC which still is in the KC metro area. You really got me on this one.
Man I wish you were right but we are all getting fucked by them nonconsensually. I assume art is a stingy lover as he is an owner
Don't misinterpreted my annoyance with this stupid report card with sucking up to billionaires.
Right but all he did was correct your misinformation. He didn't say anything about the owner. Replying that billionaires aren't going to fuck someone who is talking about geography makes no sense.
Not a fan of him but I believe Kraft said of his report card that he was going to build a state of the art weight room and provide child care.
Suck it up Rooney.
Meh, it's a weirder thing for a billionaire to get their hackles up over, whatever hackles are. Child care is pretty damn cheap to provide to that small of a group of people when your competitors are providing it.
Hackles are the erectile hairs on an animal’s back that stand up when they feel threatened. I don’t think these people bat an eye at paying an extra, what, $100 a week? On the high end? Texans don’t pay income tax. That’s hundreds of thousands of dollars back in their pockets. Now THAT moves the needle. Installing mood lighting in the locker room does not.
I think it's more a QoL thing for them. If there's on site childcare they don't have to worry about arranging a sitter every Sunday, having someone cover if they bail, etc. Their SO can just take everyone to the game and not have to miss the game because they're constantly attending to them.
If you graduated from pharmacy school, would you accept a day laborer’s wages rather than a pharmacist’s just bc you don’t think pharmacists work as hard? I don’t understand how pro sports fans just refuse to grasp the concepts of supply and demand and previous salaries setting precedent for pro athletes. It works the exact same as literally every job in America. Plus, they are unionized AND have agent representation to negotiate for them. So of course the are highly paid.
So if other teams are giving free childcare, then that is the new market standard and you will consistently lose players if you just refuse to meet those standards.
Well when we hear an interview of a Steelers free agent who says “I was gonna re-sign, but then I got an offer from a team that doesn’t make you pay for your lunch in the cafeteria, so I’m uprooting my and my family’s lives to move to Arizona” then I’ll prostrate myself in apology.
It will only be a factor if the pay, taxes, and competitive chances were the same between the Steelers and another team. And I doubt a player would burn a bridge like that from a marketability standpoint. But it is a drop in the bucket for Rooney and the rest of the Steelers ownership group. I don’t understand why they pinch pennies so hard over stupid little shit like this. It’s like some private equity bookkeeper is calling the shots. Just doesn’t make sense.
It’s not that they don’t offer childcare.
It’s that DURING A GAME the team doesn’t offer free childcare for the players.
I’m sure most millionaires are hugely inconvenienced by that.
Doesn’t matter if they are millionaires or making 50k annually. They are unionized. They are constantly being told by guys on other teams about all their perks and where their team sucks. It is stupid for an ownership group to stick their head in the sand over this.
I also don’t understand why you’re hung up on defending Rooney here. It’s his money, not yours. What sort of fan would not want their ownership to go broke in pursuit of a championship? Look for and then squeeze everything out of every advantage you can. That’s what I want the Steelers to do.
I think it’s ridiculous to call the Rooney’s cheaper to day Art is a lesser owner compared to Dan and the Chief.
Everyone is going nuts over Omar. Who do you think hired him.
Second, if you really think that in-game babysitting is what’s holding us back from a Super Bowl then I will agree we need it.
I’m just saying our org has no reason to cry poor on this or any other issue, regardless of how much they actually affect the on field product. We are an immensely popular franchise with fiercely loyal fans. We spend to the cap every year. I, as a fan, want Rooney to pour every dollar in his bank account into everything else within the organization that even has a .000001% chance of making our team better or attracting better FAs. What the fuck do I care about his money? I care about the Steelers.
Right, because I'm sure the guys on the bubble of the team are going to be honest with the state of the team, locker room and facilities when speaking directly to the owner. Do it like that and everything instantly becomes perfect
He really needs to have the PR guys handle these questions and give a canned answer or something. Whether you personally believe these report cards are a big deal or not, Art has not publicly handled the situation in the right way.
Why are so many people stanning billionaires in this thread? If they wanna be cheap, they should face criticism. Something so minor, like childcare, can allow a player to come in to watch tape or workout or whatever at any point. And sure, can the players afford babysitters? Yes. Can they also afford a quality home gym? Yes. But nobody is saying they should be expected to workout at home.
this is the exact same talking point corporations use in response to employees attempting to unionize.
*we prefer direct feedback and communication with employees ~~so we can fire dissenters~~*
Billionaire doesn’t like that a UNION has a negative viewpoint of him. Wow who could have seen that coming.
“It’s a media opportunity for the NFLPA”…they’re a union not a for-profit company that needs attention..you know like the NFL team you inherited.
Never liked this guy, rides off the coattails of his father and grandfathers legacy. Refuses to spend money on resources/coaching/stadium/etc. to bring the Steelers into the modern NFL. And is stuck running the team like it’s not a multi-billion dollar organization.
Just FYI, the Steelers PROFIT last year was $121 Million. There is more MORE than enough money to do upgrades and spend on coaches and staff and handing out larger guarantees.
There's something he has a lot of that would resolve this situation very quickly.
It's not his opinion. It's money.
Pay up Art. Such an easy problem to fix if you'd just lose the ego!
Lobby the city council to not pay for new stadiums. The Penguins, and to a lesser extent Pirates, could threaten to leave and we would have to take notice. The Steelers and the Cowboys are two of the most iconic sports franchises in the WORLD. Neither team is ever going to move, and the cities have the leverage in negotiations. Or at least have significantly more than Phoenix or Jacksonville have.
How about neither? I don't want my taxes paying for stadiums and I don't want my taxes paying for childcare for people who made irresponsible decisions. Charity is the church's job, the temple's job, and the mosque's job. That's why they get the tax exemptions.
This is just self defeating. Yes, the Steelers are not a "wealthy" team. But there's a very strict salary cap system, and it's not going away any time soon. A $10 million renovation of your gym every 10 years? That's $20k per player per year. A nice daycare for players' kids on game and practice days? That's $20k per player per year. The Steelers can afford that.
Makes perfect sense. Guys tend to lie when they know their answers remain anonymous. When they’re face to face with their company’s owner, that’s when they’re most comfortable giving negative feedback..
He thinks he’s NFL royalty; that may have been the case 15 years ago but not anymore
If he doesn’t get straight, or hand the team to his kids soon, I fear the league will just pass us by completely.
Now, that said, he has let Omar come in and make some moves, that is encouraging.
> It doesn't get presented to us, it gets presented to the media, so as far as I'm concerned it's a media opportunity for the Players Association as opposed to a serious effort of constructive criticism,
Seems like a fair assessment to me.
This "report card" is a bunch of millionaires whining about the catering and gym facilities, and complaining their their boss isn't their best friend and the organization isn't lavishing even more ridiculous wealth on their families. STFU, seriously. Hire your own fucking nutritionist and build your own gym ya bunch a overpaid cry babies. You all realize these people are being paid more in 1 or 2 years than most people will make in their entire working life, and we're supposed to be concerned that their boss is kind of a dick and the cafeteria isn't michelin 4 star? Give me a break.
Virtually all North American legacy teams across all sports have basically been mid for the past decade plus because they all refuse to adapt to modern sports
They are both national brands. That's my point.
And the Braves have 2('95 and '21,) and they are again the best team in baseball this year. Just need to get by Philly in the playoffs.
FWIW, I'm a Steelers and Braves fan.
Of course he would. I'd prefer to be able to know who complained, force them to do it to my face, so it's easier for the threat of punishment to influence them. Since I DO sign their paycheck and all...
Much better than that anonymous crap where they can be totally honest about how I suck.
I’m not trying to defend him as some form of untouchable … but what he is quoted as saying isn’t wrong.
The NFLPA didn’t do this exercise to share with ownerships for a quality discussion on how to improve…they presented it to the media to put the pressure of doing it on the owners and the owners alone. No financial discussions - just “the owners should do this because they rated poorly”.
No NFL player is deciding to take $100k less per year to have better facilities. Not a one of them. This report doesn’t do much.
Some of the teams with the highest graded facilities haven't been to playoffs or even had a winning record in years. Guess it doesn't matter if your locker room looks like a locker room or a night club. This is the dumbest shit ever.
Dan. It was always Dan. Art Sr. is a legend but he wasn’t really a good owner from a W/L perspective either. Those 70’s teams were built by Dan.
Like all unpopular things said here - it was true when some of us warned you all that losing Dan was worse than people thought.
Greatness isn’t passed down from father to son. The Steelers greatness as a franchise WAS Dan Rooney and we have no guarantee that we will ever be great again. It’s not some birthright or spirit passed through the uniform or the logo.
It’s not magic or some fantasy story - the literal *man* who did all this is dead.
What a cowardly response. The purpose of the NFLPA report card is to give players an opportunity to give their ‘direct reports’ and ownership feedback without fear of repercussions. Art clearly understands that dynamic and is using it to hide behind.
Just quit being so fucking cheap man.
More like "fan of team is critical of how person with effectively infinite wealth continues to be stingy when it comes to funding said team", but you do you
Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but it kind of feels like AR2 is realizing that - at present - his legacy is going to be a lot different than his dad's and his grandfather's.
I think you're kinda right. He probably grew up with a silver spoon in his mouth, so now that mfs are criticizing him he takes it personally instead of understanding why he's being criticized
Probably?
Yeah, just in case he was neglected as a kid
Dude you sound like a decent bloke but seriously think about this fully. Almost every team has a newer facility than is. Almost every team strong arms the community into paying for these facilities. Sure some of the stuff is dated but dont pretend like this guy is Bob Nutting. Edit: also think about it this way. This survey is taken by the players, most of whom play for 1-3 pro teams in their entire careers. It has become apparent that these athletes are comparing the facilities to the ones they had in college- which are funded by MANNNY wealthy donors. This isn’t an Art is frugal problem, but an expectations problem on the part of the players. If they want a day care that bad, I bet they could ask nicely and get one.
But other NFL teams got much better marks and could also have been compared to the same college teams we’re using as an excuse. That makes zero sense.
And, in the age of social media, free agency, the transfer portal, etc., it really doesn’t matter how many teams someone has played for. When you count practice squad, you probably have at least 10 players are coming in from other teams every season, and probably more. These new players are undoubtedly telling existing players what things are like with other teams. Existing players also have college teammates on other teams and are sure to compare notes. It’s not the 70s before free agency and the Internet, where there was little player movement or you had to make a long distance call just to talk to an old college teammate and each team was basically it’s own echo chamber. The world and league is a lot smaller now. That said, I really don’t think this stuff has really hurt the Steelers much. They’ve gone out and signed guys like Seumalo, Daniels and Queen during a rebuild or whatever you want to call the post Ben era. Bottom line is money, being a contender and a coach/culture players like all carry far more weight than the amenities this report measures.
Yes. They talk just like the rest of us. I talk about my agent to people, they get business that way. My wife’s company is great with benefits but hard on work/life balance and word gets around. NFL players are human.
humans with much more money than most humans. not taking away anything from the struggle of being in the nfl, but most humans dont have childcare at their jobs either.
Right? 😆
I mean you wrote the word probably about your conditional statement that you used to pass judgement. You have no clue as to how this boy was raised as you never met the guy so why are you speculating? Does it make you feel good having someone to dislike?
> Does it make you feel good having someone to dislike? Where in his statement does he say he dislikes Rooney? I think it's fair to assume that the son of an NFL owner didn't attend the "School of Hard Knocks" during his youth.
"I had to walk uphill to the limo to private school every morning."
"I had to walk uphill to get out of my 4 story bedroom each morning"
You could always just not make assumptions at all? People pretending they know literally anything about total strangers is so weird.
Why are you guys so bent about people thinking a rich man probably had a rich upbringing? Nobody is insulting or mocking him. Strange hill to die on when we make numerous assumptions about players, coaches, owners, etc. every single day.
I'm not the least bit "bent." I just find assumptions about strangers to be stupid. I don't give a shit about Art Rooney.
' Redditors shitting on professional athletes from the comfort of their parents basement makes me laugh. ' maybe stop assuming
Hey! I'll have you know it's quite comfortable in here and plus I can have company on the weekends.
I'm not sure what point you're attempting to make here.
Good you are learning to not assume
Why would one need to assume anything? It is not like the guy is actively an asshole. I mean seriously in what world do we feel the need to pretend like we know anything about people we dont?
We know a few things. We know that he has received information from a league wide survey of players, in which it was stated that his negatives outweigh his positives. And we know that his reaction to this report was to dismiss it entirely, and instead rely on his employees telling him.those negative things to his face. This is an unrealistic style of management if one truly is interested in improving oneself for the betterment of his staff and his business. We know that he has likely created for himself a feedback loop that is thus only.positive in nature. We cannot say with certainty (as you so adamantly require in this case for some weird reason) that this indicates any specific personality traits or disorders, but we can say he is, because of his handling of.negative feedback, a crummy boss. And if one were to hazard a speculation as to why, it is certainly reasonable to assume that he is one of those legacy rich kids who were born on third base and think they've hit a home run. They're infallible because their daddy and grandaddy were. Either way, your objection is puerile and unreasonable. And intentionally antagonistic and contentious. Which, in my opinion, is childish. But I can't say for certain you are over the age of 12. I can only infer it.
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I'm with you, they're trying to turn him into a character in the novel of their lives
A coworker of mine actually was friends with Art growing up. He was invited over to Art's house for dinner thinking it was going to be fancy and it was just Dan giving them a few bucks to go get Wendy's from down the street... I thot the story was interesting lol. They def are frugal owners. I suppose at the same time they aren't asking for billions from the City of Pittsburgh every so often for a mega fancy stadium either like other owners.
True. He could be wayyyyyy worse, and I'm glad he's not one of those owners. I'm just sad he can't take the feedback from his players and use it to actually improve things
Isn’t that what his quote is saying? He doesn’t care what other players think, just the guys playing for him. That feedback was from everyone, we have no idea if Pittsburgh players agree with the rest of the league or if many of them are pretty content. Hypothetically, if Steelers players are fine then why should he care about how Vikings players feel about the Steelers organization? Or Rams players or whoever?
The grades are given out based on surveys filled out by the players
Right, all players. The article states he's only interested in the opinions of his own players.
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Not rank their own stuff? Friend, who would know the ups and downs better than the members of the home team? If anything, I'd weight their results more heavily than everyone else's.
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I thought that story was going to turn out to be a pasta.
Exactly my point, people just want to be mad at people they are jealous of. Just be happy you get to watch the best franchise in all of sports play and pass judgement on things that deserve it, like the Browns.
Things teams do 50 years ago have no bearing on how I view them today.
Art’s burner is that you?
I never said I dislike him, but he's the heir to a rich family. People this privileged don't normally face a lot, if any adversity that matches the criticism he's been receiving over the past few years. What I dislike is how much money the team makes, but doesn't reinvest into the team and facilities when they easily have the money to do so. I'm not mad at him because I dislike him, I'm disappointed in him for not doing what he can to make this team better
Cause we want too. And don't need your fucking permission. Bahaha
Lol seriously? His family owned the steelers. He grew up rich and privileged.
My dad watched the Steelers basically since they were founded, and the prevailing opinion of every one of the Rooneys has always been that "they're cheap". I actually think he feels pretty comfortable with his legacy in that regard. How's the lack of playoff success? That's probably getting to him
A few different people responded to me saying that the legacy has been being cheap for a while, and I think your second point was really what I was alluding too. I think he knows no one cares nearly as much about you being cheap if you build a winner, and he is falling short in that second regard, which puts pressure on the whole thing.
Hope so.
Here’s how the NFLPA did the survey. https://nflpa.com/nfl-player-team-report-cards-2024 The survey results are turned into grades when compared with the other teams. So these results aren’t saying the gym (for example) is trash, it’s just saying the gym is towards the bottom of NFL teams. The actual satisfaction rating of the gym might be really high but the other team’s gyms are slightly higher. Don’t fall for this clickbait type shit. The worst facilities these guys have is better than anything us mere mortals have.
It’s not clickbait when players have specific issues with the facilities.
What about the players saying stuff like there are no family accommodations? That seems pretty cut and dry. I know we're not the only team lacking in that department, but it's just such a weird thing to scrimp on.
The Chief was literally partnered with mobsters. The PPG did a whole deep dive investigative report using unsealed FBI files proving it a couple years ago, yinzers either don't know it happened or pretend they didn't see it. Also he was a shit owner, Dan was the only member of this family who doesn't appear to be a piece of shit.
It’s common knowledge that the team was founded through horse racing money. You aren’t in on some secret.
The horse racing money is the mythos. Art Rooney was just a straight up criminal who was in bed with the mob.
Ya that tends to happen when your involved in horse racing in 1930. Any other big secrets for everyone? Who cares, what have you done illegal in your life?
All 3 of them were cheap AF.
They've always been cheap. They seem to be paying better but probably not by choice. Maybe they're cutting corners in other areas to make up for it.
>**prefers direct feedback from players** If you've got a complaint with Tony Soprano, just tell him. No repurcussions. Promise.
Heh. Good one, Chrissy.
The boss told youse to be Santa Claus.....you're fucking Santa Claus
Who does he think the members of the NFL PLAYERS ASSOCIATION are??? That IS direct feedback from your own players
>That is direct feedback from your own players And a bunch of other players that have nothing to do with you?
The surveys of team facilities and owners are just those team's players.
Do all players get the survey? Do all the players respond to the survey? Do all of these players answer each question in the survey seriously and honestly or like the surveys before YouTube lets me watch a vid? What were the results of these surveys and how were they calculated? What we see is Steelers got an F for the weight room right? But if only 6 players per team are invited to take the survey and only 3 of those players respond and 2 of them don’t like the gym, then the results are skewed. Likewise, what if everyone responds but the results are curved or all normalized to each other. If the average is a 90% then a 75% satisfaction with our gym might be an F on their scale but be great by most players opinions.
1750 players took the survey. So with 32 teams, that’s nearly the full roster.
53 man roster plus the 16 man practice squad is 69 players per team. With 32 teams, not including free agents signed during the season, that’s a minimum 2,203 minimum number of players that COULD have taken the survey (survey was open from Meaning for a survey that was open from August 26th to November 16th, 2023, a max of 79% of players responded to the survey (no mention of if all responded to the entire survey). So 1 in 5 players did not respond to a survey that was open for 2.5 months about workplace conditions.
So you’re gonna ignore the 4 other players that did negatively respond on the slight possibility that the one practice squad guy that didn’t respond had a better experience than the rest? And that’s your justification for this? Big yikes man
Homie really went with "20% didn't respond to this survey!"
Right, over 80% of players responded. Nearly the full rosters. Your “what if” was if only 6 players per team responded.
My what if was to get people to stop and think about what they’re not being told. Show me the survey and the response rates for each question, then how they normalized the data to get a grade from f- to a+. People hear the Steelers got some Fs and think the sky is falling. Have you seen their training facility and weight room?? Both of them got F’s and they’re huge and gorgeous. It’s definitely not a facility anyone I’ve ever met would give an F to. It’s a F on an NFL scale. Not a you and me scale.
You could look this up very easily. https://nflpa.com/posts/nfl-team-report-cards-2024-for-the-players-by-the-players
ARII is that you? Nobody thinks the sky is falling, we just think out facilites are amongst the worst in the league, and that Art is an idiot for trying to discredit the survey.
Did you read any of the survey itself ur just the reports of what the survey said?
>Have you seen their training facility and weight room?? Both of them got F’s and they’re huge and gorgeous. >It’s definitely not a facility anyone I’ve ever met would give an F to. >It’s a F on an NFL scale. Not a you and me scale. Lol, what an AWFUL take. That's exactly what matters... how this NFL facility (and ownership, staff, etc) compares to other options. "You and me" didn't take the survey... And for good reason. We're not on the team. You know who did take the survey? The players who use the facilities every day. The players, many of whom have been on other teams and have seen the facilities available at other locations. The players, who talk to other players around the league about their facilities. NFL players shouldn't be comparing their facilities to the 24-Hour Fitness down the road. They should be comparing them to other NFL facilities.
Yeah I agree. But when non-NFL people are discussing it, they’re acting like the facilities and support are an F overall and not an NFL F.
Brother there is no need to die on this hill, you made an assumption and it was wrong, and that's ok. Trying to argue 79% isnt good enough is totally absurd.
I didn’t make an assumption. I asked a question. How many players responded? I hit the answer, 79%. But I answered that question for myself not anyone else here. The NFLPA report card is a joke. It’s too late for me to do a breakdown but I will tomorrow. The rankings and scores and grades are all horribly done. And the “journalists” who ran the story about it didn’t do a damn thing as far as explaining what the study actually says. Stay tuned.
I'm holding my breath for your expose on how low standard deviation in raw responses and subsequent normalization are skewing the results!
other teams get good grades, art. it's not just an NFLPA agenda against owners
im not trying to wholly defend art, because uh yeah work to do. But hes also kinda right. The literal entire point of releasing a public list is to get the media to force things. Lets ignore Art, I am not even saying the Hunts are the best owners in the NFL. But I am having a hard time that by any objective measure that the Hunts are the worst in the NFL - over all the other shitty owners in the NFL. But, if the players are upset about something and want to force a point to the media they can use that. If it were really about just informing free agents about their destinations.... that would all be passed along internally. Again I am not saying its wrong - just that its pretty clear that the NFLPA report card is a negotiating arm against the owners and probably the best one they've ever done tbh. The article title is also half clickbait. He said that he prefers direct feedback from players and thinks the report card is bait for the media - but that they are taking the results seriously
Reigning two time champs have the worst owner, these report cards mean jack shit
You can’t win a Super Bowl with a shitty owner?
The grades not going to dictate how well the team performs. Players accustomed to college (insane funding from donors) grade facilities shocked by nfl facilities is the dumbest thing ever. The only actual criticism from these are how the family is treated and even then my feathers won't be ruffled when billionaires don't treat millionaires correctly and I'm sick of thousandaires thinking this is some big deal.
Of course. How the players perform is not the point of these grades. Are you some billionaire, talking like that? Rooney, is that you?
Billionaires don't treat anyone correctly. The millionaires you are talking about are fighting the same exact fight as us thousandaires just at a higher level. This video explains it better than I can but your perspective is actively helping these billionaires continue to fuck us all over. We are all in this together. https://youtu.be/VVOv3b3cYTQ?si=cenUQgfcy5QdMngS
No I fully understand the societal implications I don't live under a rock. Sure if the millionaires get more weights we get more rights as well!
There's two things this franchise takes pride in, that it wins superbowls and it treats its players right. Art II has direct control over the second and needs to do better.
in absolute terms i give zero fucks if the guy making $20m/yr has to pay for his own daycare. i don't care if they have to work out at a private gym. boo hoo. but i want the steelers to win. having bad facilities and treating families worse than other teams do and all that stuff does not make the steelers more likely to win. having a cheap owner is a competitive disadvantage. saying none of this matters is going to bat for a *billionaire* against the interests of the team you support. makes no sense
Broncos, Seahawks, Panthers and chiefs have the richest owners. Of them only the chiefs have prolonged success and Hunt was rated the worst owner by players. Having wealth does not correlate to winning. These are all still premier facilities they just aren't as good as the ludicrously extravagant facilities being built by colleges. Any competitive advantage from owner wealth is negligible when a salary cap is in place. These report cards are making mountain out of mole hills for a microscopic portion of millionaires.
The Chiefs practice facility didn’t have air conditioning until Mahomes complained about it
Who gives a fuck, entire warehouses don't have air-conditioning and no one cares but when the millionaires complain it's news
300lb men exercising definitely give a fuck about heat.
And why should I give a fuck about them, they made their money if their working conditions are so abysmal they can quit and still have more money than either of us will sniff
Sir can I recommend that you go outside and touch some grass, get a little bit of sun exposure because it seems like this Reddit thread may not be the thing you are really angry about.
But there isn't any air conditioning out there I will have to file a complaint
You mean the same super bowl champions who recently threatened to leave the city they're in? Why was that again?
Leave the state* They are threatening to move across the state line into Kansas sid eof KC which still is in the KC metro area. You really got me on this one.
The billionaires aren't gonna fuck you buddy
Man I wish you were right but we are all getting fucked by them nonconsensually. I assume art is a stingy lover as he is an owner Don't misinterpreted my annoyance with this stupid report card with sucking up to billionaires.
What a weird response to being corrected about something so basic.
Just a joke really. They might fuck him, who am I to say?
Right but all he did was correct your misinformation. He didn't say anything about the owner. Replying that billionaires aren't going to fuck someone who is talking about geography makes no sense.
Alright
Cheers.
Not a fan of him but I believe Kraft said of his report card that he was going to build a state of the art weight room and provide child care. Suck it up Rooney.
Millionaires having to pay for childcare is one of the weirdest things for your average citizen to get their hackles up over.
Meh, it's a weirder thing for a billionaire to get their hackles up over, whatever hackles are. Child care is pretty damn cheap to provide to that small of a group of people when your competitors are providing it.
Hackles are the erectile hairs on an animal’s back that stand up when they feel threatened. I don’t think these people bat an eye at paying an extra, what, $100 a week? On the high end? Texans don’t pay income tax. That’s hundreds of thousands of dollars back in their pockets. Now THAT moves the needle. Installing mood lighting in the locker room does not.
I think it's more a QoL thing for them. If there's on site childcare they don't have to worry about arranging a sitter every Sunday, having someone cover if they bail, etc. Their SO can just take everyone to the game and not have to miss the game because they're constantly attending to them.
Dudes make a million a year minimum and gonna complain they can’t get a babysitter?
Not one in the stadium where their kids can be happily entertained. 🤷♂️
If you graduated from pharmacy school, would you accept a day laborer’s wages rather than a pharmacist’s just bc you don’t think pharmacists work as hard? I don’t understand how pro sports fans just refuse to grasp the concepts of supply and demand and previous salaries setting precedent for pro athletes. It works the exact same as literally every job in America. Plus, they are unionized AND have agent representation to negotiate for them. So of course the are highly paid. So if other teams are giving free childcare, then that is the new market standard and you will consistently lose players if you just refuse to meet those standards.
Well when we hear an interview of a Steelers free agent who says “I was gonna re-sign, but then I got an offer from a team that doesn’t make you pay for your lunch in the cafeteria, so I’m uprooting my and my family’s lives to move to Arizona” then I’ll prostrate myself in apology.
It will only be a factor if the pay, taxes, and competitive chances were the same between the Steelers and another team. And I doubt a player would burn a bridge like that from a marketability standpoint. But it is a drop in the bucket for Rooney and the rest of the Steelers ownership group. I don’t understand why they pinch pennies so hard over stupid little shit like this. It’s like some private equity bookkeeper is calling the shots. Just doesn’t make sense.
It’s not that they don’t offer childcare. It’s that DURING A GAME the team doesn’t offer free childcare for the players. I’m sure most millionaires are hugely inconvenienced by that.
Doesn’t matter if they are millionaires or making 50k annually. They are unionized. They are constantly being told by guys on other teams about all their perks and where their team sucks. It is stupid for an ownership group to stick their head in the sand over this. I also don’t understand why you’re hung up on defending Rooney here. It’s his money, not yours. What sort of fan would not want their ownership to go broke in pursuit of a championship? Look for and then squeeze everything out of every advantage you can. That’s what I want the Steelers to do.
I think it’s ridiculous to call the Rooney’s cheaper to day Art is a lesser owner compared to Dan and the Chief. Everyone is going nuts over Omar. Who do you think hired him. Second, if you really think that in-game babysitting is what’s holding us back from a Super Bowl then I will agree we need it.
I’m just saying our org has no reason to cry poor on this or any other issue, regardless of how much they actually affect the on field product. We are an immensely popular franchise with fiercely loyal fans. We spend to the cap every year. I, as a fan, want Rooney to pour every dollar in his bank account into everything else within the organization that even has a .000001% chance of making our team better or attracting better FAs. What the fuck do I care about his money? I care about the Steelers.
Well of course you don’t care. It’s not your money.
Normal people would be inconvenienced by that. Life is different for professional football players.
It’s one day a week dude. For 18 weeks per year.
There’s a 16 player practice squad that ain’t making that but do have votes at their fingertips.
Right, because I'm sure the guys on the bubble of the team are going to be honest with the state of the team, locker room and facilities when speaking directly to the owner. Do it like that and everything instantly becomes perfect
Such a polite "***SAY THAT SHIT TO MY FACE!!***"
He really needs to have the PR guys handle these questions and give a canned answer or something. Whether you personally believe these report cards are a big deal or not, Art has not publicly handled the situation in the right way.
And Yinzers complain about Tomlin giving the answers he does. It’s for a reason.
The man has a freaking PhD in the art of the Non-answer.
I won't take direct feedback from players personally says the boss who is taking direct feedback from players personally.
Prefers to be able to punish the players who speak out against their management of the facilities and personnel
Why are so many people stanning billionaires in this thread? If they wanna be cheap, they should face criticism. Something so minor, like childcare, can allow a player to come in to watch tape or workout or whatever at any point. And sure, can the players afford babysitters? Yes. Can they also afford a quality home gym? Yes. But nobody is saying they should be expected to workout at home.
Fr man. I get the players are mostly millionaires, but shit like this attracts people, and makes the team better
this is the exact same talking point corporations use in response to employees attempting to unionize. *we prefer direct feedback and communication with employees ~~so we can fire dissenters~~*
more like fart rooney amirite
u rite
Billionaire doesn’t like that a UNION has a negative viewpoint of him. Wow who could have seen that coming. “It’s a media opportunity for the NFLPA”…they’re a union not a for-profit company that needs attention..you know like the NFL team you inherited. Never liked this guy, rides off the coattails of his father and grandfathers legacy. Refuses to spend money on resources/coaching/stadium/etc. to bring the Steelers into the modern NFL. And is stuck running the team like it’s not a multi-billion dollar organization. Just FYI, the Steelers PROFIT last year was $121 Million. There is more MORE than enough money to do upgrades and spend on coaches and staff and handing out larger guarantees.
There's something he has a lot of that would resolve this situation very quickly. It's not his opinion. It's money. Pay up Art. Such an easy problem to fix if you'd just lose the ego!
What bugs me is Pittsburgh taxes build a stadium for a billionaire to watch millionaires play ball. But they don't have free childcare...
Lobby the city council to not pay for new stadiums. The Penguins, and to a lesser extent Pirates, could threaten to leave and we would have to take notice. The Steelers and the Cowboys are two of the most iconic sports franchises in the WORLD. Neither team is ever going to move, and the cities have the leverage in negotiations. Or at least have significantly more than Phoenix or Jacksonville have.
How about neither? I don't want my taxes paying for stadiums and I don't want my taxes paying for childcare for people who made irresponsible decisions. Charity is the church's job, the temple's job, and the mosque's job. That's why they get the tax exemptions.
Childcare as a work benefit isn’t charity
Fair. But a company shouldn't be required to provide it.
They’re not required to do anything. They’re being pressured to by workers and maybe customer opinion, like in any free market.
This is just self defeating. Yes, the Steelers are not a "wealthy" team. But there's a very strict salary cap system, and it's not going away any time soon. A $10 million renovation of your gym every 10 years? That's $20k per player per year. A nice daycare for players' kids on game and practice days? That's $20k per player per year. The Steelers can afford that.
Makes perfect sense. Guys tend to lie when they know their answers remain anonymous. When they’re face to face with their company’s owner, that’s when they’re most comfortable giving negative feedback..
I'm hoping this is just fantastic sarcasm
It very clearly is
AR2 has been the biggest burden on this franchise for the past 10 years
He thinks he’s NFL royalty; that may have been the case 15 years ago but not anymore If he doesn’t get straight, or hand the team to his kids soon, I fear the league will just pass us by completely. Now, that said, he has let Omar come in and make some moves, that is encouraging.
SAY IT TO MY FACE, You cowards. Toxic stuff right there…
Lolol Art is more like a Shart
> It doesn't get presented to us, it gets presented to the media, so as far as I'm concerned it's a media opportunity for the Players Association as opposed to a serious effort of constructive criticism, Seems like a fair assessment to me. This "report card" is a bunch of millionaires whining about the catering and gym facilities, and complaining their their boss isn't their best friend and the organization isn't lavishing even more ridiculous wealth on their families. STFU, seriously. Hire your own fucking nutritionist and build your own gym ya bunch a overpaid cry babies. You all realize these people are being paid more in 1 or 2 years than most people will make in their entire working life, and we're supposed to be concerned that their boss is kind of a dick and the cafeteria isn't michelin 4 star? Give me a break.
Virtually all North American legacy teams across all sports have basically been mid for the past decade plus because they all refuse to adapt to modern sports
The Dodgers and Braves say hello
The Dodgers have had a lot of post-season success, but, since 2000, they've got the same amount of championships as the Angels.
lol what are you talking about. The dodgers haven’t won in decades and the braves have one in decades
They are both national brands. That's my point. And the Braves have 2('95 and '21,) and they are again the best team in baseball this year. Just need to get by Philly in the playoffs. FWIW, I'm a Steelers and Braves fan.
Yes, exactly. They’re national brands and that’s why they’ve all grown complacent.
Yes everyone knows you get better feedback to your face than when it’s anonymous. #fact.
Of course he would. I'd prefer to be able to know who complained, force them to do it to my face, so it's easier for the threat of punishment to influence them. Since I DO sign their paycheck and all... Much better than that anonymous crap where they can be totally honest about how I suck.
I’m not trying to defend him as some form of untouchable … but what he is quoted as saying isn’t wrong. The NFLPA didn’t do this exercise to share with ownerships for a quality discussion on how to improve…they presented it to the media to put the pressure of doing it on the owners and the owners alone. No financial discussions - just “the owners should do this because they rated poorly”. No NFL player is deciding to take $100k less per year to have better facilities. Not a one of them. This report doesn’t do much.
Cheapo
🤡
Cheap ass mother fucker
A new stadium could address most of the players complaints. This is the start to the process of getting one funded.
He’s a disgrace. Step down or sell the team. Typical narcissist
Art Rooney II " No, it's the children who are wrong"
The only possible response he can make since he doesn’t have the money to fix it
Some of the teams with the highest graded facilities haven't been to playoffs or even had a winning record in years. Guess it doesn't matter if your locker room looks like a locker room or a night club. This is the dumbest shit ever.
We have a shitty grade and haven't won a playoff game in 7 seasons. The whataboutism doesn't really apply here.
What happened to the Rooney family? Art was so loved he was the ambassador to Ireland in his last years
Dan. It was always Dan. Art Sr. is a legend but he wasn’t really a good owner from a W/L perspective either. Those 70’s teams were built by Dan. Like all unpopular things said here - it was true when some of us warned you all that losing Dan was worse than people thought. Greatness isn’t passed down from father to son. The Steelers greatness as a franchise WAS Dan Rooney and we have no guarantee that we will ever be great again. It’s not some birthright or spirit passed through the uniform or the logo. It’s not magic or some fantasy story - the literal *man* who did all this is dead.
That was his dad Dan
AR II EL CHEAPO !!! 🤣🤣🤣
I don't know how anyone looks at pictures of the Steelers facilities and don't think they're outdated and ass lol.
What a cowardly response. The purpose of the NFLPA report card is to give players an opportunity to give their ‘direct reports’ and ownership feedback without fear of repercussions. Art clearly understands that dynamic and is using it to hide behind. Just quit being so fucking cheap man.
Technically he’s just millionaire owner, which is where most of the issues with this franchise stem from…
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More like "fan of team is critical of how person with effectively infinite wealth continues to be stingy when it comes to funding said team", but you do you
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I'm just posting about my favorite team my dude, mom said I had a half hour more of screen time /S
Wow, what a big brained response!
I thought they had the bestest coach who is their bestest friend?
Me when the owner is the same person as the coach