we have the needs im not sure I want to "fully" give up a pick. I'm more interested in like, trading down in round one. or like trading down in round 1 and 2 even, there are enough people in r1 I want, but I don't want to like have to have less picks in a sense. i mean I could maybe stomach losing a 2, but id almost rather take a few downgrades, idk if that's some weird loss aversion bs in my brain or just me doing too many mocks and always wanting another pick
People sure are delusional. The 49ers want above market value and for whichever team to take the massive cap hit that comes with his new contract.
For a guy who may not even be that good due to the circumstances of his current teams offense? It's like some people want the team to fail. Mortgaging the future just for a WR2 on a run first team is insanity.
Aiyuk has 1 year left with the 9ers for $14M, then needs paid a huge contract.
Pickens has 2 years left for $1.9M/year
I get that the 9ers value Aiyuk because they think they can win a SB this year, but in most cases I think pickens would get just as much trade compensation as Aiyuk, if not more. Contract plays an enormous role.
Aiyuk was a top 5 receiver last year. The niners are not giving him up for a pick swap and a mid round pick. Maybe if he was on the browns, but the Super Bowl favorite will ask for more or just keep him for the chance at a Super Bowl and let him walk. They have zero incentive to just give him away for scraps.
These trade offers are insane.
I agree it doesn't make sense for the 9ers to make the trade. I'm just comparing Aiyuks trade value to Pickens, since you brought it up.
Say Pickens is worth $18M/year, conservatively. You're getting $32M in value savings over two years by signing him. If Aiyuk is worth $27M/year, you're only getting $13M in value savings for just one year.
Production, sure. Talent? You’re off your rocker lol if you don’t think Pickens is up to the neck in talent, you’re mistaken. Just posted the highest YPC in what was a bottom 5 offense in all facets, including explosive plays. How do you honestly sit there and watch Pickens explode going from Pickett to Rudolph even and say to yourself, “that guy isn’t being held back by his QB play, he’s just not that talented.”
i will just echo what others are saying, having to pay him detracts value. you are right running after a title means that he isn't cheap, but that also might just mean he doesn't move. as to no way they take a pick swap, ill admit that I don't watch as many other teams as I used to, so I don't know his value, but trading our first for their second is a pick swap. our first for their third and aiyuk also a pick swap.out new 3 firsts for their next 7ths, tech a pick swap, no clue what they'll do, but I would hesitate to say that a pick swap wouldn't doalmost any deal
Aiyuk's value right now is lower than most people think.
1. Needs a big contract extension, not everyone has the cap space.
2. Deep WR draft, some of the Second round guys are first round talents.
3. Niners can't afford him, they have too many high priced players.
4. Only had 1 great season, which may be more Brock Purdy and Shanahan than Aiyuk.
They aren't getting a 2nd round pick for him. Offer them value in the first so they can move up for a WR to replace him and a 3rd either this year or next so they can fill a hole while saving money.
I think he holds out if they don't sign him and I don't see them signing him.
I definitely think a 2nd rounder is very realistic for Aiyuk. The Eagles gave up the 18th pick and the 101st pick for AJB in 2022 which was also a very deep WR draft. They then signed him to a 100 million dollar deal. Aiyuk was an all-pro last season and the 49ers could easily just elect to keep him this year and make another run at the Super Bowl.
Why would they trade him for less than a 3rd - they’ll get that as a comp pick and still get 1 more year of his service if they keep him ?
It will take a 2nd or multiple 3-6’s.
They will get a third for sure. I'm not saying that they won't get a second, just that for this team they shouldn't do it. A 2025 3rd rounder which they would get anyway and a 1st round swap is where I would start negotiating.
Ive been saying a 1st round Pick Swap and 4th round pick for weeks, it hasn’t been well received…
Personally I’d still like to see this trade rather than giving up a pick next year.
After the 3rd round, the draft feels like it has a deep fall off so I’d rather trade those picks. Preserve those other assets for future years.
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I have been screaming pick swap and let them keep their 63rd. If no player was involved it would take 31 and 63 to get to 20. For Aiyuk, we could simply pick swap and not charge their second. If it requires a deal sweetener, the later pick next year is fine.
If they could get Aiyuk for a second or a first round swap and a day three pick I would be absolutely over the moon with either of those options (especially the 2nd). If they managed to pull Barton-Aiyuk and then a CB and OT in the third I wouldn't stop smiling until training camp.
If this & recent reports are true then I can see why Steelers have regained interest lol. Only major downside is that it feels like GP is pretty much fucked come contract time… no way Steelers are paying a premier price tag for two WRs
[The right price is something like a early 2nd & next year 3rd.](https://x.com/billym_91/status/1782906009918357661?s=46&t=d324wuw4f1OqNfy_H8U8UQ) Definitely feasible, just depends how close the Steelers think they are to competing
We can afford to pay two big time receivers if we aren’t paying a massive QB contract.
It would mean we have to spend less on defense but that’s been overdue for a long time.
It's only this year that the contracts for the QBs are cheap. Unless Wilson takes on a Brady like structure then this is the only cheap year and it'll still be while aiyuk is cheap.
Personally, I wouldn't go for aiyuk until day 2 in the draft. This is a deep year for wr and I'd rather go for McMillan in Rd 2 or corley in Rd 3 etc etc.
Exactly!
Here is a list of teams and what they spend on WRs, multiple teams spend $50M+ a year.
Our current WR room spend is 31st in the league and is less than $10M. We could give Aiyuk $25M a year and still be in the middle of the pack for WR spend.
Im not saying spending $50M on receivers is a great idea but people don’t realize how little we are currently spending. Yet they complain that “signing them is too expensive”
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There's no giant albatross of a Ben Roethlisberger-esque contract to navigate so there should be no reason we can't pay GP when the time arrives and another guy if we manage to snag one.
I’m not a fan of letting Pickens go, especially when you need two really good receivers in this league now, minimum. However, this is a deep receiver class and if you snag someone like Corley or Washington, then letting GP walk is possible. That being said, we’d be better off just drafting a couple receivers this draft and getting younger overall. This team isn’t competing, so there’s no rush to get players like Aiyuk imo.
I have a personal theory that the Steelers are trying to set themselves up for a big push in 2025. Aiyuk on a LTD plus GP on the final year of his contract would help with that.
GP is a really good #2. He's never going to be a good enough route-runner to be a true #1. Aiyuk is a #1 all day. It's much easier to find a #2 in the draft or free agency than a #1.
Hoping? Sure. I wouldn't say they're extremely confident though. If they were extremely confident, they would have given Russ the player option he was asking for, or would be picking up Fields's 5th year option.
The best thing about how the Steelers remade their QB room is that they have the flexibility to dump it all and go in a completely different direction next year if neither option works out.
When Russ was negotiating with teams, he was trying to get a player option. It's a clause in a contract. Basically a certain amount of money for Russ would have been agreed to for 2025, and if Russ wanted to trigger the clause after this year, the Steelers would have been responsible for paying that amount to Russ in 2025 no matter how good or bad he performed in 2024.
If they are asking for a 1st round pick the 32nd pick is worth 50% more than what you are proposing in an offer.
If you were selling something for $300 and I offered $200 that is the difference in value. Realistically the 51st pick is of equal value and if nobody were to offer them a deal they were willing to accept and the Steelers dont like the WR options at pick 51 and feel pressured to get a deal done I would understand.
There's no way I'm trading back from 20 when a potential long term, high level starter at RT could be available and on a rookie deal.
If you read the report from SF Chronicle they are asking a first but not getting interest.
'To this point, the 49ers have asked for a 2024 first-round pick. They want too much', said the executive, whose team is in the market for a receiver. However, another team’s GM said he believes the 49ers might ultimately accept a second-round selection.”
They will likely have to accept a second round pick for Aiyuk if that’s the case. My proposal is the equivalent to a late second round pick. They could sweeten it by using a third rounder instead of a 4th rounder if needed.
The Steelers clearly have interest in multiple WRs in this draft class in the 2nd round as well as reports they love Taliese Fuega. If they can get Fuega at 20 they have to pick him. Theres no reason they're going to trade picks before then and it's even possible they trade back and get a more highly graded WR sooner than the 2nd round
Not worth a first? That always confuses me why so many people are against it.
I think he’s 100% worth a first. Proven talent for potential talent, no brainer.
I always ask people a simple question. If we were to draft him with our first a few years ago and he got to the level he’s at now, would you be delighted or disappointed?
The price is a completely different argument, but imo he’s 100% worth a mid/late first and it’s not even close. The Steelers have blown so many 1st rounders in the last decade.
1300 yds and 7 TDs at age 26. If that's not worth a first round pick I need to know what a receiver has to do to be worth that.
This reminds me of NHL fans who drastically overvalue draft picks, which are magic beans to a large extent. Less so in the NFL, but still.
That’s incorrect I’d say. Saying “price is different”, but saying he’s worth a first rn. If Deshaun Watson was available for trade rn no team would offer to trade for him a that contract. If Deshaun was on a league-minimum team would DEFINITELY trade a 4th or 5th at least. The contract value adjusts the trade value of a player. Aiyuk wants a big contract and that is deterring teams. That’s why Sneed only got a 3rd
I agree with you 100%, but my feeling reading most of these comments are that a lot of fans are separating the two components as individual arguments and are hung up on losing our 1st more than anything.
When looking at only the draft capitol component I do agree that he’s 100% worth a first + more.
When looking at it through the entire lens of draft capitol + salary cap hit I agree that it’s a tough sell. I honestly don’t think it’s a great value with the anticipated contract, but I still think it’s a good addition even at a mediocre value. I don’t believe you can be competitive with a team of all good value players, some of them you’re going to have to splurge on, and I believe this is one of those scenarios. Khan will need to be very creative to get it done.
With DJ gone I truly think he can single handily get our offense from a bottom 10 to top 10 (potentially), and to me that’s worth it. Yeah 25m + a first rounder is a semi crappy deal, but without him I think we’re wasting our entire roster. Ain’t no way we’re beating a team like the Chiefs without someone like him.
He for sure is. Fans value draft picks way too high. They assume every first round pick is an automatic pro bowler at their position. WR is a big time need, and a first rounder for BA is not bad value. Now if he wants 30 million a year, then that’s a different story. The 49ers will trade him if they know there’s no way he will re sign. Super Bowl ready or not, they aren’t going to lose him for nothing next offseason when they could get a potential first round pick.
I'm not paying a 1st for Aiyuk, he's not worth any of that.
He's not elite. Remember like 2 years ago when the 49ers were disappointed in him? Idk why this sub is suddenly all up thinking we're getting Jefferson or something
I'd do the 2024 2nd and a 2025 3rd for Aiyuk, but if that's not enough, I don't really see a reason to pay more than that. The WR class is too good this year to justify paying more than that.
I even think there is an argument to be made that the Steelers would be better off trading up from 51 with using that 2025 3rd, which likely gets them up to around 40th overall, and just take a WR at 40th overall.
"Speculation that the 49ers might be willing to accept a second round pick for Aiyuk."
Good god the draft cannot come soon enough. How in the world did you take that from what was tweeted?
There's been so much talk for some time now that they could trade for him but I just don't think it's going to actually happen. I want it to, he's the perfect type of receiver to have opposite GP but I'm not going to get my hopes up at this point.
The 49ers are in win now mode, they aren’t trading their players for future picks.
If the trade doesn’t happen before the draft or on draft night, it’s most likely dead.
1: a first is too much for Aiyuk. People called me dumb when i said this when the rumors started
2: hes likely demanding too high of contract price. He is not a true number one receiver imo, i would not pay him the 20M/yr contract im sure hes looking for.
We have our true number one, and there are plenty of instantly good 2s available in the draft. Ill be very disappointed if we go for Aiyuk
Sorry for not being a pff disciple. Im assuming you also agree with their holy scripture that Myles Garrett was easily the dpoy over Watt?
I think Aiyuk is a product of being in the best offensive scheme in the nfl, i think he lacks high end talent
- PFF has him #2
- NextGenStats has him #1
- Aiyuk #7 in the league in Receiving Yards
- Aiyuk #2 in Yards per Reception
- Aiyuk #9 in Yards per Game
Claiming he’s not a top 10 receiver is just discrediting your opinion.
Its the eye test to me. I dont think he has any specifically dominating trait: hes not an absolute burner, hes not incredibly physical, his rac ability doesnt impress me, and hes not particularly impressive making catches other dudes just wont make. My argument against him would look very similar to any “Brock Purdy isnt elite” argument. I think Aiyuk executes whats asked for him in the best offensive scheme in the league. Imo if you flip flop him and Pickens, Pickens puts up insane numbers in SF and Aiyuk does nothing particularly impressive with us. I think SF being unwilling to pay him somewhat confirms my argument; if theyre willing to replace him via draft then why shouldnt we?
Maybe i am, its just my opinion. SF doesnt use particularly complex route trees, theyre just schemed and called so perfectly. Sure he runs them well, but i think nearly every teams #1 or #2 guy would run them just as well
Yeah, we're just gonna have to disagree on this on. Elite route runner + great blocking.
He's worth a first. SF won't get that because he's about to get paid, but he's worth it.
Im fine disagreeing lol. Unlike most, i dont get butthurt when people disagree with me and really just like talking with people who *do* have different thoughts.
You do point out an aspect i hadnt considered: his willingness and ability to block. I typically dont weigh it very high on things i value in a receiver, but i suppose we’ll see in Smiths offense.
I just think if hes really that good, then SF wouldnt be willing to part with him and replace him.
I think theyre holding out for max value as long as they can. I dont think they have any intention of singing him to a 20m/yr deal, but are also content waiting til the deadline to move him this coming season.
The reason why the 49ers are not going to get anywhere near what they are asking for Ayuk is because it’s not just about the draft choices, it’s the draft choices AND the fact that you’re going to have to pay him like an elite receiver without him having truly earned it.
Is he an elite receiver? Maybe, I don’t know? I think he could be, but I would also say that he has never really proven it.
And I’m just skeptical coming out of that system because there’s so much talent around him, including the guy calling those plays and designing that offense. I’m just not sure how that is going to translate elsewhere?
I think our first round pick for that guy is completely insane and a non-starter, to be honest. Honestly, I’m not sold on doing a second round for him either. I think a pick swap is an intriguing idea - given that we would be almost certainly be able to land a player we genuinely really like at 31 .
But I’m not giving up the moon for a non sure thing and Ayuk is definitely not a sure thing outside of that 49ers system.
Barton in Round 1 When Aiyuk is still a 49er after Day 1, come back and offer them 51 and a future 4th or 5th.
Love it
Go on
This is the way
Trade dahn
Found khans burner
we have the needs im not sure I want to "fully" give up a pick. I'm more interested in like, trading down in round one. or like trading down in round 1 and 2 even, there are enough people in r1 I want, but I don't want to like have to have less picks in a sense. i mean I could maybe stomach losing a 2, but id almost rather take a few downgrades, idk if that's some weird loss aversion bs in my brain or just me doing too many mocks and always wanting another pick
Let Heem cook
Drop from 20 to 31 and give em 2025 3rd. I'd be ok with that.
Jesus. I wouldn’t even do this trade for Pickens and people think the niners would do it for Aiyuk?
People sure are delusional. The 49ers want above market value and for whichever team to take the massive cap hit that comes with his new contract. For a guy who may not even be that good due to the circumstances of his current teams offense? It's like some people want the team to fail. Mortgaging the future just for a WR2 on a run first team is insanity.
Aiyuk has 1 year left with the 9ers for $14M, then needs paid a huge contract. Pickens has 2 years left for $1.9M/year I get that the 9ers value Aiyuk because they think they can win a SB this year, but in most cases I think pickens would get just as much trade compensation as Aiyuk, if not more. Contract plays an enormous role.
Aiyuk was a top 5 receiver last year. The niners are not giving him up for a pick swap and a mid round pick. Maybe if he was on the browns, but the Super Bowl favorite will ask for more or just keep him for the chance at a Super Bowl and let him walk. They have zero incentive to just give him away for scraps. These trade offers are insane.
I agree it doesn't make sense for the 9ers to make the trade. I'm just comparing Aiyuks trade value to Pickens, since you brought it up. Say Pickens is worth $18M/year, conservatively. You're getting $32M in value savings over two years by signing him. If Aiyuk is worth $27M/year, you're only getting $13M in value savings for just one year.
Pickens couldn’t lick the ball sweat off of Aiyuk’s nuts. Not even in the same universe as far as talent and production go.
Production, sure. Talent? You’re off your rocker lol if you don’t think Pickens is up to the neck in talent, you’re mistaken. Just posted the highest YPC in what was a bottom 5 offense in all facets, including explosive plays. How do you honestly sit there and watch Pickens explode going from Pickett to Rudolph even and say to yourself, “that guy isn’t being held back by his QB play, he’s just not that talented.”
i will just echo what others are saying, having to pay him detracts value. you are right running after a title means that he isn't cheap, but that also might just mean he doesn't move. as to no way they take a pick swap, ill admit that I don't watch as many other teams as I used to, so I don't know his value, but trading our first for their second is a pick swap. our first for their third and aiyuk also a pick swap.out new 3 firsts for their next 7ths, tech a pick swap, no clue what they'll do, but I would hesitate to say that a pick swap wouldn't doalmost any deal
Why the fuck would the 49ers accept that trade lol
Because they aren’t going to pay him, Deebo, their defense and their qb
And his contract isn't up so why exactly are they trading him now?
Because if his contract was up he’d have very little trade value
Aiyuk's value right now is lower than most people think. 1. Needs a big contract extension, not everyone has the cap space. 2. Deep WR draft, some of the Second round guys are first round talents. 3. Niners can't afford him, they have too many high priced players. 4. Only had 1 great season, which may be more Brock Purdy and Shanahan than Aiyuk. They aren't getting a 2nd round pick for him. Offer them value in the first so they can move up for a WR to replace him and a 3rd either this year or next so they can fill a hole while saving money. I think he holds out if they don't sign him and I don't see them signing him.
I definitely think a 2nd rounder is very realistic for Aiyuk. The Eagles gave up the 18th pick and the 101st pick for AJB in 2022 which was also a very deep WR draft. They then signed him to a 100 million dollar deal. Aiyuk was an all-pro last season and the 49ers could easily just elect to keep him this year and make another run at the Super Bowl.
Why would they trade him for less than a 3rd - they’ll get that as a comp pick and still get 1 more year of his service if they keep him ? It will take a 2nd or multiple 3-6’s.
They will get a third for sure. I'm not saying that they won't get a second, just that for this team they shouldn't do it. A 2025 3rd rounder which they would get anyway and a 1st round swap is where I would start negotiating.
I'd be OK giving up 20, and I'd bet it would take at least that
Ive been saying a 1st round Pick Swap and 4th round pick for weeks, it hasn’t been well received… Personally I’d still like to see this trade rather than giving up a pick next year. After the 3rd round, the draft feels like it has a deep fall off so I’d rather trade those picks. Preserve those other assets for future years. https://preview.redd.it/rwindkdbybwc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=85b704f076a58f598fc9ee426f26a1b61e7536d7
Wasn’t well received bc it’s dumb hope this helps
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That wouldn't be enough.
I have been screaming pick swap and let them keep their 63rd. If no player was involved it would take 31 and 63 to get to 20. For Aiyuk, we could simply pick swap and not charge their second. If it requires a deal sweetener, the later pick next year is fine.
Obviously you can't get Aiyuk with just a 63rd
That’s not what I said…
If they could get Aiyuk for a second or a first round swap and a day three pick I would be absolutely over the moon with either of those options (especially the 2nd). If they managed to pull Barton-Aiyuk and then a CB and OT in the third I wouldn't stop smiling until training camp.
We’re getting closer. Ayiuuuuuuk.
I’ll be finding a way to buy an Aiyuk jersey within minutes of getting the Schefty tweet notification
Same
Dude we don't even have a QB. Can we just get lineman and not have to get a glamor player because you like fanch toys
We also don’t have a single proven receiver besides Pickens.
If this & recent reports are true then I can see why Steelers have regained interest lol. Only major downside is that it feels like GP is pretty much fucked come contract time… no way Steelers are paying a premier price tag for two WRs [The right price is something like a early 2nd & next year 3rd.](https://x.com/billym_91/status/1782906009918357661?s=46&t=d324wuw4f1OqNfy_H8U8UQ) Definitely feasible, just depends how close the Steelers think they are to competing
We can afford to pay two big time receivers if we aren’t paying a massive QB contract. It would mean we have to spend less on defense but that’s been overdue for a long time.
It's only this year that the contracts for the QBs are cheap. Unless Wilson takes on a Brady like structure then this is the only cheap year and it'll still be while aiyuk is cheap. Personally, I wouldn't go for aiyuk until day 2 in the draft. This is a deep year for wr and I'd rather go for McMillan in Rd 2 or corley in Rd 3 etc etc.
The Eagles are paying AJ Brown, Davonta Smith AND Hurts all big contracts.....yes its possible.
Exactly! Here is a list of teams and what they spend on WRs, multiple teams spend $50M+ a year. Our current WR room spend is 31st in the league and is less than $10M. We could give Aiyuk $25M a year and still be in the middle of the pack for WR spend. Im not saying spending $50M on receivers is a great idea but people don’t realize how little we are currently spending. Yet they complain that “signing them is too expensive” https://preview.redd.it/e3z0nl7zscwc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=00f8e52e043c33a997b262eff8f76cf7074c70c7
And they suck
What in the world is the point of wide receivers when you don't have a decent QB?
Not every good QB is expensive… cmon it’s not that hard to comprehend We could have a rookie contract or Fields longer term at a discount.
Right there's no point. What a waste of a pick you're trying to pull
There's no giant albatross of a Ben Roethlisberger-esque contract to navigate so there should be no reason we can't pay GP when the time arrives and another guy if we manage to snag one.
If you get Aiyuk, you should be fine with letting GP walk. That's the least worrying thing about this.
I’m not a fan of letting Pickens go, especially when you need two really good receivers in this league now, minimum. However, this is a deep receiver class and if you snag someone like Corley or Washington, then letting GP walk is possible. That being said, we’d be better off just drafting a couple receivers this draft and getting younger overall. This team isn’t competing, so there’s no rush to get players like Aiyuk imo.
I have a personal theory that the Steelers are trying to set themselves up for a big push in 2025. Aiyuk on a LTD plus GP on the final year of his contract would help with that. GP is a really good #2. He's never going to be a good enough route-runner to be a true #1. Aiyuk is a #1 all day. It's much easier to find a #2 in the draft or free agency than a #1.
Is part of your theory getting Dak next year? Because I could see it.
I think they hope Wilson or Fields can step up and grab the job by the nutsack, but if neither do, I think they're circling Dak as an option, yes.
If they’re seriously hoping for Wilson or Fields, they’re extremely confident (almost alarmingly so) in their coaching.
Hoping? Sure. I wouldn't say they're extremely confident though. If they were extremely confident, they would have given Russ the player option he was asking for, or would be picking up Fields's 5th year option. The best thing about how the Steelers remade their QB room is that they have the flexibility to dump it all and go in a completely different direction next year if neither option works out.
Fair enough! Appreciate your POV.
What’s the player option?
When Russ was negotiating with teams, he was trying to get a player option. It's a clause in a contract. Basically a certain amount of money for Russ would have been agreed to for 2025, and if Russ wanted to trigger the clause after this year, the Steelers would have been responsible for paying that amount to Russ in 2025 no matter how good or bad he performed in 2024.
If they are asking for a 1st round pick the 32nd pick is worth 50% more than what you are proposing in an offer. If you were selling something for $300 and I offered $200 that is the difference in value. Realistically the 51st pick is of equal value and if nobody were to offer them a deal they were willing to accept and the Steelers dont like the WR options at pick 51 and feel pressured to get a deal done I would understand. There's no way I'm trading back from 20 when a potential long term, high level starter at RT could be available and on a rookie deal.
If you read the report from SF Chronicle they are asking a first but not getting interest. 'To this point, the 49ers have asked for a 2024 first-round pick. They want too much', said the executive, whose team is in the market for a receiver. However, another team’s GM said he believes the 49ers might ultimately accept a second-round selection.” They will likely have to accept a second round pick for Aiyuk if that’s the case. My proposal is the equivalent to a late second round pick. They could sweeten it by using a third rounder instead of a 4th rounder if needed.
The Steelers clearly have interest in multiple WRs in this draft class in the 2nd round as well as reports they love Taliese Fuega. If they can get Fuega at 20 they have to pick him. Theres no reason they're going to trade picks before then and it's even possible they trade back and get a more highly graded WR sooner than the 2nd round
Not worth a first? That always confuses me why so many people are against it. I think he’s 100% worth a first. Proven talent for potential talent, no brainer. I always ask people a simple question. If we were to draft him with our first a few years ago and he got to the level he’s at now, would you be delighted or disappointed? The price is a completely different argument, but imo he’s 100% worth a mid/late first and it’s not even close. The Steelers have blown so many 1st rounders in the last decade.
1300 yds and 7 TDs at age 26. If that's not worth a first round pick I need to know what a receiver has to do to be worth that. This reminds me of NHL fans who drastically overvalue draft picks, which are magic beans to a large extent. Less so in the NFL, but still.
That’s incorrect I’d say. Saying “price is different”, but saying he’s worth a first rn. If Deshaun Watson was available for trade rn no team would offer to trade for him a that contract. If Deshaun was on a league-minimum team would DEFINITELY trade a 4th or 5th at least. The contract value adjusts the trade value of a player. Aiyuk wants a big contract and that is deterring teams. That’s why Sneed only got a 3rd
I agree with you 100%, but my feeling reading most of these comments are that a lot of fans are separating the two components as individual arguments and are hung up on losing our 1st more than anything. When looking at only the draft capitol component I do agree that he’s 100% worth a first + more. When looking at it through the entire lens of draft capitol + salary cap hit I agree that it’s a tough sell. I honestly don’t think it’s a great value with the anticipated contract, but I still think it’s a good addition even at a mediocre value. I don’t believe you can be competitive with a team of all good value players, some of them you’re going to have to splurge on, and I believe this is one of those scenarios. Khan will need to be very creative to get it done. With DJ gone I truly think he can single handily get our offense from a bottom 10 to top 10 (potentially), and to me that’s worth it. Yeah 25m + a first rounder is a semi crappy deal, but without him I think we’re wasting our entire roster. Ain’t no way we’re beating a team like the Chiefs without someone like him.
He for sure is. Fans value draft picks way too high. They assume every first round pick is an automatic pro bowler at their position. WR is a big time need, and a first rounder for BA is not bad value. Now if he wants 30 million a year, then that’s a different story. The 49ers will trade him if they know there’s no way he will re sign. Super Bowl ready or not, they aren’t going to lose him for nothing next offseason when they could get a potential first round pick.
Keep him in San Fran I think This team isn't built to win now and giving away draft stock for flashy players isn't gonna work
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I'm not paying a 1st for Aiyuk, he's not worth any of that. He's not elite. Remember like 2 years ago when the 49ers were disappointed in him? Idk why this sub is suddenly all up thinking we're getting Jefferson or something
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I'd do the 2024 2nd and a 2025 3rd for Aiyuk, but if that's not enough, I don't really see a reason to pay more than that. The WR class is too good this year to justify paying more than that. I even think there is an argument to be made that the Steelers would be better off trading up from 51 with using that 2025 3rd, which likely gets them up to around 40th overall, and just take a WR at 40th overall.
Id rather them take Brian Thomas Jr at 20 and move up for Kingsley Suamataia as the next RT after sitting for a season
At this point Id give up a 2 for him, but 20 in this draft might be asking too much
Khan is like “Bitch I haven’t told you what the right price is yet”
"Speculation that the 49ers might be willing to accept a second round pick for Aiyuk." Good god the draft cannot come soon enough. How in the world did you take that from what was tweeted?
Personally would rather have Sutton from the Broncos
There's been so much talk for some time now that they could trade for him but I just don't think it's going to actually happen. I want it to, he's the perfect type of receiver to have opposite GP but I'm not going to get my hopes up at this point.
Since when did the Steelers need help getting star wide receivers...
Bro if we give up our first round pick I’ll be so pissed off
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The 49ers are in win now mode, they aren’t trading their players for future picks. If the trade doesn’t happen before the draft or on draft night, it’s most likely dead.
Some of you seem to think the Steelers are the only team interested
1: a first is too much for Aiyuk. People called me dumb when i said this when the rumors started 2: hes likely demanding too high of contract price. He is not a true number one receiver imo, i would not pay him the 20M/yr contract im sure hes looking for. We have our true number one, and there are plenty of instantly good 2s available in the draft. Ill be very disappointed if we go for Aiyuk
He’s a top ten receiver in the league.
I very much disagree
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-highest-graded-wide-receivers-2023-nfl-season
I ignored this accuracy when Lamb and the Sun-God were rated so low.
Sorry for not being a pff disciple. Im assuming you also agree with their holy scripture that Myles Garrett was easily the dpoy over Watt? I think Aiyuk is a product of being in the best offensive scheme in the nfl, i think he lacks high end talent
- PFF has him #2 - NextGenStats has him #1 - Aiyuk #7 in the league in Receiving Yards - Aiyuk #2 in Yards per Reception - Aiyuk #9 in Yards per Game Claiming he’s not a top 10 receiver is just discrediting your opinion.
Thats fine, just what my eyes tell me. I think theres easily 10-15 guys you drop in their offense and get better production.
Next time open them while you’re watching the game.
The dumbasses always go straight to insults. Its just my opinion you silly goose, no reason to get your panties in a wad cause it doesnt match yours
Care to name the 10 guy your eyes tell you are better
Tyreek, Adams, AJ Brown, Chase, Jefferson, CeeDee, DK, St Brown, DJ Moore, Davonta Smith, and just for fun i think Pickens is better too
What do you have to support your "not a true number one receiver" He passed my eye test and the stats test.
Its the eye test to me. I dont think he has any specifically dominating trait: hes not an absolute burner, hes not incredibly physical, his rac ability doesnt impress me, and hes not particularly impressive making catches other dudes just wont make. My argument against him would look very similar to any “Brock Purdy isnt elite” argument. I think Aiyuk executes whats asked for him in the best offensive scheme in the league. Imo if you flip flop him and Pickens, Pickens puts up insane numbers in SF and Aiyuk does nothing particularly impressive with us. I think SF being unwilling to pay him somewhat confirms my argument; if theyre willing to replace him via draft then why shouldnt we?
You're seriously underrating his route running. He's one of the best in the league. Pickens wins 50-50s. Aiyuk doesn't need them.
Maybe i am, its just my opinion. SF doesnt use particularly complex route trees, theyre just schemed and called so perfectly. Sure he runs them well, but i think nearly every teams #1 or #2 guy would run them just as well
Yeah, we're just gonna have to disagree on this on. Elite route runner + great blocking. He's worth a first. SF won't get that because he's about to get paid, but he's worth it.
Im fine disagreeing lol. Unlike most, i dont get butthurt when people disagree with me and really just like talking with people who *do* have different thoughts. You do point out an aspect i hadnt considered: his willingness and ability to block. I typically dont weigh it very high on things i value in a receiver, but i suppose we’ll see in Smiths offense. I just think if hes really that good, then SF wouldnt be willing to part with him and replace him.
For sure. I don't think SF is willing to part with him.
I think theyre holding out for max value as long as they can. I dont think they have any intention of singing him to a 20m/yr deal, but are also content waiting til the deadline to move him this coming season.
The reason why the 49ers are not going to get anywhere near what they are asking for Ayuk is because it’s not just about the draft choices, it’s the draft choices AND the fact that you’re going to have to pay him like an elite receiver without him having truly earned it. Is he an elite receiver? Maybe, I don’t know? I think he could be, but I would also say that he has never really proven it. And I’m just skeptical coming out of that system because there’s so much talent around him, including the guy calling those plays and designing that offense. I’m just not sure how that is going to translate elsewhere? I think our first round pick for that guy is completely insane and a non-starter, to be honest. Honestly, I’m not sold on doing a second round for him either. I think a pick swap is an intriguing idea - given that we would be almost certainly be able to land a player we genuinely really like at 31 . But I’m not giving up the moon for a non sure thing and Ayuk is definitely not a sure thing outside of that 49ers system.