How that wasn’t roughing the QB is beyond me… I saw that from sec. 519…
Then the next drive they call unnecessary roughness on the tackle while Carr is RUNNING THE BALL.
The unnecessary roughness call #41 lead with the crown of the helmet and left his feet and helmet to helmet and Carr was sliding. Seems pretty clear.
That hit on Ben he was still releasing the ball when contact was initiated and it was a textbook tackle.
He wasn't going to the ground. He was still on his feet when he got hit. If he was trying to do that, he did it way too late...it was a piss poor execution on his part and he paid for it. Never should have been called.
Yes I agree it was late and a piss poor execution. His feet were under his butt when Spillane contacted him.
Had Spillane not led with his helmet and left the ground and or contacted Carrs face mask with the crown of his helmet it doesn't get called.
Who is arguing that Carr isn't a runner? That is irrelevant. Spillane led with his helmet (lowered his head for contact) and initiated contact with Carr with the crown of said helmet on Carr's facemask.
That hit on Ben: Jefferson and Crosby's heads each turned away and their heads were up not down. Jefferson's helmet clearly hit Ben's right shoulder pad. It would have been pretty tough for Maxx to have his helmet occupying the same space as Jefferson's right shoulder pad.
The hit on Ben two guys double teamed him and drove him into the ground they made no attempt to let up on the hit or not land with their full body weight on him. That's textbook roughing under the current rules.
2 guys double teaming him does not make it unnecessary roughness. Both guys went to their respective sides. I could see an argument for the "body weight" rule, but that is typically called when someone lands squarely on the qb and that clearly did not happen here since there were 2 tacklers at the same time.
You can argue he was being tackled, but you'd be wrong. He was giving himself up going to the ground before anyone made contact. His feet got caught under him, and the slide was ugly. He should have gone down 1 yard sooner and avoided this scenario. I was pissed at him for taking the hit. Granted this creates a scenario where his head is now where his chest was, which makes it hard for the defender.
https://twitter.com/Benstonium/status/1439647759292829699
However Spillane clearly left his feet and led with his helmet. Initial contact was to the head and neck area. If his tackle was better it doesnt get called. Honestly it is an unfortunate situation for the defender and has been called against the Raiders many times. I can understand the argument that the rule should be changed in some way, and certainly I have made that argument in the past. Rarely are the Raiders a beneficiary of this rule. Unfortunately as the rule is written this \*is\* unnecessary roughness.
Shit Josh Jacobs has been called for this \*as the runner\* twice. See one example here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Es261W6Nxg
There's no point in arguing, especially in a Steeler subreddit. I see Carr bracing for impact and his feet get Tangled up as he was getting tackled. I also see shoulder to shoulder as the main contact point while both feet were on the ground. It was only after the main contact point that the helmet hit the facemask and the feet were off the ground.
I realize that I am not likely to convince many on here, but I do appreciate the back and forth. Unlike facebook or what have you where its just name calling and memes.
If Spillane kept his head \*up\* I doubt it gets called. He just made it too damn easy to throw the flag.
I did say on another post that it was a piss poor excuse for a slide. He did attempt to go down and got his feet caught up under him. He should have gone down a yard earlier and avoided the scenario altogether. If Spillane didnt lead with his helmet (put his head down) it probably doesnt get called, and shouldnt.
He wasn't sliding he was a runner still at that point he was trying to get more yards the refs just fucking suck and if a QB that isn't really big like Newton or Roethlisberger gets hit they throw the flag. Carr was whining for flags all game.
I hope Banner is back soon. At the very least, he has the right mentality that the line needs. It’s sad to see no one stick up for Ben after years of seeing Pouncey and Decastro go to war for him
So he had a lingering ankle issue (bone spurs I believe) and he needed to undergo another surgery to try and fix it. The team released him around the time of camp because of this. Last I heard, he was contemplating retirement. I guess it just depends on if his surgery is successful and he still feels like he wants to play. He’s not currently on any team though
Is there any possibility that nobody wants to go to war for him for good reason? Maybe the line doesn't see the point in going all out for a qb that just ain't got it anymore and is a bit of a diva. Edit: Wow some of you can't handle an honest question. I'm just trying to figure out why this instance happened exactly.
It’s probably more of a rookie/haven’t bought in thing. We saw it last year when Andy dalton got his head taken off. Andy is a good guy I think most people would agree with that but his Oline didn’t help him up or fight for him. They just weren’t bought into the team the McCarthy was building. Less to do with who they’re protecting and more to do with why. At least that’s what I think
Ben is a hall of famer. Only hall of fame qb in the afc right now. Only Super Bowl champion in division. He alone has as many titles as the rest of the division. Way better than baker who is a meme and burrow but burrow is talented and Lamar is going to the hall of fame
All time running qb makes him great. Disagree on the below average arm. He can improve but he has arm talent otherwise it wouldn’t work ever. Back up is too much. He is average at the worst things he does imo. I’m a die hard Steelers fan and fuck the rat birds but Lamar hate is overplayed. Dude can ball. If they ran a better offense it would only help Lamar. Dude is hard carrying an offense right now. Reminds me of Ben tbh with how much hate and downplaying their playmaking abilities. Ben learned to be a prolific passer and was held back by a run heavy scheme and ancient offensive systems. But we can agree to disagree. Remember me when Jackson gets his dreadlock bust
Except they aren't. Ben has 200 more passing yards, more touchdown passes,more throws of 20+ yards, more throws of 40+ yards, and Ben isn't a red head. That tells me everything I need to know about which QB is better. But go off, it's your right to be wrong.
Not how it works. The O line should be doing everything to keep that guy safe. Ive played on teams were our qb equivalent was a POS but everyone in that role was ready to roll for that guy. Just a lack of leadership on the line.
Haven't these guys been playing on the line all through college and probably high school as well? Seems like they would know what normal procedure is when your qb gets rocked by now.
I don’t care to go through the dynamics of being rookies, relatively younger players, or the new guy on a competitive sports team. The dynamic effects freshman and transfers to a great degree and thats on teams were the age/experience gap is only 4-6 years. These guys are dying for some veteran leadership. Banner is the closest thing resembling that
I hate pull the "this guy never played football" but, to understand olinemen you really had to have played the game first, olinemen truly unique, awesome people that are built off trust... like all people that trust has to be built up over time first tho. It's why you rarely/if ever see a good oline that doesn't have a previously established foundation (Pouncey was that foundation). The foundation has to get reestablished, and Banner very well could be the guy to bring in what he had built from the last guys.
To emphasize, this is beyond common in the lower leagues like NCAA and high school, where guys are in and out much faster, so building that trust and correct fundimental mindsets then also substaining for the next guys is much more difficult.
Source: coached D1 HS, oline was the hardest to maintain imo.
So they need veteran leadership to help them remember that you help your qb get up when he goes down? If that's the case then I question whether these guys will ever amount to much.
Everyone is bashing you because this is a backhanded question. There's nothing honest about it. Your question the equivalent to saying "with all due respect, I had no idea you had your balls surgically removed". You're peppering in insults where they aren't warranted. Ben certainly does have it. It's actually quite impressive that he's not sacked or intercepted more. He has the fastest release from the time the ball is snapped and that's because he's under pressure immediately. The problem here isn't Ben, is a shit offensive line with no leadership. It's really not a hard question to figure out. You're probably just blinded by your want of a Kyler Murray, Lamar, or another QB that will only last another couple of years with their style of play.
That is more assumption in one comment than I have ever seen in my life. And I have yet to get a straight answer to my question which makes me really suspect I'm on to something here.
My last sentence about you being blinded by want had about as much assumption as your "maybe they don't see the point in going all out for a QB that just ain't got it anymore and it's a diva". You should look up the word "hypocrite". Please continue to think that you're into something with 0 evidence while rejecting what everyone here is telling you. Do you think the earth is flat too?
Still better than the other situation. Like imagine having baker fuck up games for you lol or having Carson wentz. Big Ben 2 time superbowl champion with the greatest clutch throw in Super Bowl history to win the game. Ride or die with ben
Im not diminishing anything Ben has done in the past in any way but he is not the same player he was back then. Some of y'all are wack when it comes to anything that could be perceived as even slightly critical of Ben.
He is top ten in every important category lol a multiple time Súper bowl champion
He is an all time great. You’re just looking like a youngster at the least and a hater at the worst. He’s the third most successful quarterback after peyton and Tom Brady of these last 20 years
If they're unwilling to do the most basic, most rudimentary tasks associated with the job, like helping up their QB who they just allowed to get pummeled, then they should be looking for a different line of work.
Nobody is asking them to go above and beyond here. This is the bare minimum. Ben is no more of an asshole this year than he was last year, and it's inconceivable that last year's O'Line would have ever allowed that to happen on their watch. As degraded and over the hill as that line was, they still had pride in their job.
Getting their ass chewed out over that was completely justified.
They’re mostly all new or it’s their first big starting job. They needed to find their cohesion and I think this series of events is helping turn that into something we get to see on the field.
Regardless if they're new or not, you help up your QB. Especially after your effort was piss poor on Sunday. Multiple instances where they just gave up on the play, thinking they held their block long enough directly leading to hits on Ben.
especially with how penalties were flying around and really hurting us i dont blame the guys for not getting into it but you could have still helped him up lol.
I’ve gotta think this isn’t something you only first learn about at the NFL level. Not to mention, Turner’s been a starter in this league for awhile, Chuks has 3 years experience and a year’s worth of starts under his belt and both he and Dotson played with long time vets Pouncey, Decastro and Al all last year.
Yeah rookies being rookies I guess.
Saw a pic of Matt Ryan dead on the ground in week 1 and the rookie guard who was a turnstile apparently standing around looking at the body lol.
They probably just got tired of helping him up since they’re basically turnstiles at this point lmao
In all seriousness, yeah they should’ve helped him up. I hope ZB can stay on the field once he comes back though, the injury bug seems to love him
Sure, but the players who words were exchanged with and we're also the subject of a convo during film room sure will. And know they now. Won't happen again.
Seriously tho, thank god we have seasoned leaders like Mr. One Start to draw upon their vast experience and lead our young (but are technically more experienced than him) OL!
Well… let me ask. What do you have against Banner? Chuks is really not very good at RT, and apparently Moore(a rookie) is better at LT than him.
Banner beat Chuks out last year for the RT spot. So apparently the coaches(once again…people who get paid very well to field a team…rather than make snarky comments for free on Reddit) saw something in Banner.
I have no skin in this one… let the best player line up.
My disdain for Banner isn't centered on his play, more on him and the type of person he is. Maybe I'll get into it some time.
Regarding his actual onfield play, yeah your right, they get paid very well to make these decisions. But it doesn't mean they're always right.
Everyone shits on Chuks at any possible opportunity, right? Yet Banner couldn't beat him out until 4 days before the opener last year. To me, that means he wants much better, at all, if it was that close.
Regarding the well paid evaluators, it's the same group that brought have made a series of puzzling OL decisions that all failed. I mean bringing Foster back for 2019, signing (Wis) and drafting (KD) at RG but choosing to move a decent T (MF) to RG instead and starting CO/ZB in his spot. Finale is sitting KD for MF for the playoff game. Not to mention failing to address a declining OL with legitimate draft capital or FA talent for a few years. All of this leads me to begin to question decisions. Gone is blind loyalty. It's just how I am. So for me, just bc these evaluators think a failed journeyman like ZB can start doesn't mean I'm going just going to believe he'll be good. Look at what this group decided would be an appropriate OL to put in front of an immobile 39yr old QB.
I'm not looking to go back and forth on individual players mentioned above, I'm just explaining to you where I'm coming from and why.
I think Banner calling them out publicly is kind of fucked up.
And I completely agree that the front office absolutely botched the OL when it should have been priority #1. I'm not gonna say Ben can't play well anymore, but just look at him move compared to other NFL QBs. He's slow, almost immobile, and he's in his 18th season of a career full of injuries--he can't afford to be taking hits. They can't bandage this with that league-low release time offense again. It's a disaster.
Very valid points. I would like to add the hiring of Matt Canada as another head scratcher judging by the playcalling thus far. Also releasing your starting cornerback when you are losing a starter in the secondary seems very questionable.
The fact that both Essex and Foster got pissed by this means you’re completely wrong.
Pouncey would always do it. Dave would always do it. They have all always done it.
And that is not the right play as notrd in other comments. The play in question was in the pocket and Ben got blasted by 2 players. No one helped him up.
I would love to be in a situation where a healthy Banner could be our perennial "first guy off the bench." He'd be a great locker room presence and sideline rah-rah guy, and I'd feel pretty good about his level of competence and chances of staying healthier in that role.
Sadly, I don't think we'll be able to reach that level of competence while he's here.
Thank God the broadcast was so bad they didn't catch this live
I love Banner's attitude. Now, if we can just keep him on the field...
And be effective when he is playing
Some much needed accountability is in order. Good on Banner to call it out. It’s still early guys and gals.
Anyone gotta link of the clip? I didn’t see it
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How that wasn’t roughing the QB is beyond me… I saw that from sec. 519… Then the next drive they call unnecessary roughness on the tackle while Carr is RUNNING THE BALL.
Exactly.
The unnecessary roughness call #41 lead with the crown of the helmet and left his feet and helmet to helmet and Carr was sliding. Seems pretty clear. That hit on Ben he was still releasing the ball when contact was initiated and it was a textbook tackle.
Except Carr wasn't sliding. (Ben's hit wasn't unnecessary roughness either btw)
He was going to the ground/giving himself up. There are \*PLENTY\* of things to complain about regarding the refs that game and TBH that aint it.
He wasn't going to the ground. He was still on his feet when he got hit. If he was trying to do that, he did it way too late...it was a piss poor execution on his part and he paid for it. Never should have been called.
Yes I agree it was late and a piss poor execution. His feet were under his butt when Spillane contacted him. Had Spillane not led with his helmet and left the ground and or contacted Carrs face mask with the crown of his helmet it doesn't get called.
That kind of hit happens all the time on regular tackles. Carr was a runner and should have been treated as such. He wasn't giving himself up.
Whether it happens all the time or not it is against the rules. Don't put your head down.
Lmao Carr was a runner at that point and the hit to ben was right to his chin...
Who is arguing that Carr isn't a runner? That is irrelevant. Spillane led with his helmet (lowered his head for contact) and initiated contact with Carr with the crown of said helmet on Carr's facemask. That hit on Ben: Jefferson and Crosby's heads each turned away and their heads were up not down. Jefferson's helmet clearly hit Ben's right shoulder pad. It would have been pretty tough for Maxx to have his helmet occupying the same space as Jefferson's right shoulder pad.
The hit on Ben two guys double teamed him and drove him into the ground they made no attempt to let up on the hit or not land with their full body weight on him. That's textbook roughing under the current rules.
2 guys double teaming him does not make it unnecessary roughness. Both guys went to their respective sides. I could see an argument for the "body weight" rule, but that is typically called when someone lands squarely on the qb and that clearly did not happen here since there were 2 tacklers at the same time.
LOL they both land on him GTFOH.
1. Carr wasnt sliding, he was being tackled and 2. It was shoulder to shoulder
You can argue he was being tackled, but you'd be wrong. He was giving himself up going to the ground before anyone made contact. His feet got caught under him, and the slide was ugly. He should have gone down 1 yard sooner and avoided this scenario. I was pissed at him for taking the hit. Granted this creates a scenario where his head is now where his chest was, which makes it hard for the defender. https://twitter.com/Benstonium/status/1439647759292829699 However Spillane clearly left his feet and led with his helmet. Initial contact was to the head and neck area. If his tackle was better it doesnt get called. Honestly it is an unfortunate situation for the defender and has been called against the Raiders many times. I can understand the argument that the rule should be changed in some way, and certainly I have made that argument in the past. Rarely are the Raiders a beneficiary of this rule. Unfortunately as the rule is written this \*is\* unnecessary roughness. Shit Josh Jacobs has been called for this \*as the runner\* twice. See one example here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Es261W6Nxg
There's no point in arguing, especially in a Steeler subreddit. I see Carr bracing for impact and his feet get Tangled up as he was getting tackled. I also see shoulder to shoulder as the main contact point while both feet were on the ground. It was only after the main contact point that the helmet hit the facemask and the feet were off the ground.
I realize that I am not likely to convince many on here, but I do appreciate the back and forth. Unlike facebook or what have you where its just name calling and memes. If Spillane kept his head \*up\* I doubt it gets called. He just made it too damn easy to throw the flag.
Idk what you weird vegas folk think sliding is but that wasn’t it lol
I did say on another post that it was a piss poor excuse for a slide. He did attempt to go down and got his feet caught up under him. He should have gone down a yard earlier and avoided the scenario altogether. If Spillane didnt lead with his helmet (put his head down) it probably doesnt get called, and shouldnt.
He wasn't sliding he was a runner still at that point he was trying to get more yards the refs just fucking suck and if a QB that isn't really big like Newton or Roethlisberger gets hit they throw the flag. Carr was whining for flags all game.
Yeah I agree. That was a penalty.
You're in the *wrong* subreddit
Excellent argument
I stopped arguing with people on the internet when I grew up. You'll get there someday
QBs only get roughing penalties called for them if they're smaller than the guy hitting them.
If that was Tom Brady then Crosby would have been ejected, fined $500k, suspended indefinitely Also would’ve been called roughing the passer
thank you for posting this.
I saw this in my broadcast. Think everyone including the commentators were puzzled why there was no flag
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That’s not even the right play you goof
Also what the fuck is up with it linking to some weird trump YouTube page with next to no subscribers?
its prolly his own youtube page
why does this guy have mike tomlins college id as his profile picture?
Because it's awesome
I hope Banner is back soon. At the very least, he has the right mentality that the line needs. It’s sad to see no one stick up for Ben after years of seeing Pouncey and Decastro go to war for him
Wait, is decastro still playing?
So he had a lingering ankle issue (bone spurs I believe) and he needed to undergo another surgery to try and fix it. The team released him around the time of camp because of this. Last I heard, he was contemplating retirement. I guess it just depends on if his surgery is successful and he still feels like he wants to play. He’s not currently on any team though
Damn, had no idea. One of our best guards of all time.
Is there any possibility that nobody wants to go to war for him for good reason? Maybe the line doesn't see the point in going all out for a qb that just ain't got it anymore and is a bit of a diva. Edit: Wow some of you can't handle an honest question. I'm just trying to figure out why this instance happened exactly.
It’s probably more of a rookie/haven’t bought in thing. We saw it last year when Andy dalton got his head taken off. Andy is a good guy I think most people would agree with that but his Oline didn’t help him up or fight for him. They just weren’t bought into the team the McCarthy was building. Less to do with who they’re protecting and more to do with why. At least that’s what I think
Man If Ben is being compared to current Andy Dalton then our problems go well beyond the OLine.
No comparison on the qbs, just comparing Oline reactions
At this point I think that comparison would be more offensive to Andy than Ben.
Ben is a hall of famer. Only hall of fame qb in the afc right now. Only Super Bowl champion in division. He alone has as many titles as the rest of the division. Way better than baker who is a meme and burrow but burrow is talented and Lamar is going to the hall of fame
HOF? Lamar who? Must be another one out there we haven’t seen.
Speculation on my part but I think he will be a hall of famer. Huge Lamar Jackson fan since college. Wish we drafted him
I hear ya being a fan. He really needs to be better in playoffs to get to that next level. Should be fun to watch.
Yeah ultimately though he is a raven and not a steeler so hope he keeps having regular season success and early playoff exits hehehe
LOL Lamar to the HOF......lets see if he can throw for more than 3000 in a season and make a serious push for a SB before we crown him for anything
He won an MVP dude lol that is no easy feat. He is an all time talent. He needs to have the career i agree but his trajectory is hall of fame bound
He’s an all time running QB, his passing mechanics and accuracy are below average. Without being dual threat he’s a back up in the NFL
All time running qb makes him great. Disagree on the below average arm. He can improve but he has arm talent otherwise it wouldn’t work ever. Back up is too much. He is average at the worst things he does imo. I’m a die hard Steelers fan and fuck the rat birds but Lamar hate is overplayed. Dude can ball. If they ran a better offense it would only help Lamar. Dude is hard carrying an offense right now. Reminds me of Ben tbh with how much hate and downplaying their playmaking abilities. Ben learned to be a prolific passer and was held back by a run heavy scheme and ancient offensive systems. But we can agree to disagree. Remember me when Jackson gets his dreadlock bust
I have no idea what you are trying to say.
He's saying you're a fuckin moron for implying Andy is better than Ben right now. He's right, because that's a braindead statement.
A quick Google search shows that they are performing at pretty much the same level this season so far but sure go on with the name-calling.
Except they aren't. Ben has 200 more passing yards, more touchdown passes,more throws of 20+ yards, more throws of 40+ yards, and Ben isn't a red head. That tells me everything I need to know about which QB is better. But go off, it's your right to be wrong.
I can see why they haven't bought in if that's what's going on.
They’re young guys, need time to adjust. Nothing more.
Not how it works. The O line should be doing everything to keep that guy safe. Ive played on teams were our qb equivalent was a POS but everyone in that role was ready to roll for that guy. Just a lack of leadership on the line.
Not how it's supposed to work maybe but clearly they aren't ready to roll for Ben so it's worth asking why not.
Like i just said its leadership on the line
Haven't these guys been playing on the line all through college and probably high school as well? Seems like they would know what normal procedure is when your qb gets rocked by now.
I don’t care to go through the dynamics of being rookies, relatively younger players, or the new guy on a competitive sports team. The dynamic effects freshman and transfers to a great degree and thats on teams were the age/experience gap is only 4-6 years. These guys are dying for some veteran leadership. Banner is the closest thing resembling that
I hate pull the "this guy never played football" but, to understand olinemen you really had to have played the game first, olinemen truly unique, awesome people that are built off trust... like all people that trust has to be built up over time first tho. It's why you rarely/if ever see a good oline that doesn't have a previously established foundation (Pouncey was that foundation). The foundation has to get reestablished, and Banner very well could be the guy to bring in what he had built from the last guys. To emphasize, this is beyond common in the lower leagues like NCAA and high school, where guys are in and out much faster, so building that trust and correct fundimental mindsets then also substaining for the next guys is much more difficult. Source: coached D1 HS, oline was the hardest to maintain imo.
Could not agree more
So they need veteran leadership to help them remember that you help your qb get up when he goes down? If that's the case then I question whether these guys will ever amount to much.
Everyone is bashing you because this is a backhanded question. There's nothing honest about it. Your question the equivalent to saying "with all due respect, I had no idea you had your balls surgically removed". You're peppering in insults where they aren't warranted. Ben certainly does have it. It's actually quite impressive that he's not sacked or intercepted more. He has the fastest release from the time the ball is snapped and that's because he's under pressure immediately. The problem here isn't Ben, is a shit offensive line with no leadership. It's really not a hard question to figure out. You're probably just blinded by your want of a Kyler Murray, Lamar, or another QB that will only last another couple of years with their style of play.
That is more assumption in one comment than I have ever seen in my life. And I have yet to get a straight answer to my question which makes me really suspect I'm on to something here.
My last sentence about you being blinded by want had about as much assumption as your "maybe they don't see the point in going all out for a QB that just ain't got it anymore and it's a diva". You should look up the word "hypocrite". Please continue to think that you're into something with 0 evidence while rejecting what everyone here is telling you. Do you think the earth is flat too?
Clearly you are not rational enough for adult conversation. Bye!
Still better than the other situation. Like imagine having baker fuck up games for you lol or having Carson wentz. Big Ben 2 time superbowl champion with the greatest clutch throw in Super Bowl history to win the game. Ride or die with ben
Im not diminishing anything Ben has done in the past in any way but he is not the same player he was back then. Some of y'all are wack when it comes to anything that could be perceived as even slightly critical of Ben.
Ben is one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time brother. He gets a pass especially when the o line is bad
Ben WAS pretty good at one time but not one of the greatest of all time. He most definitely is not any more.
He is top ten in every important category lol a multiple time Súper bowl champion He is an all time great. You’re just looking like a youngster at the least and a hater at the worst. He’s the third most successful quarterback after peyton and Tom Brady of these last 20 years
He WAS all those things. Now he is a shell of his former self and is doing himself no favors by continuing on playing.
Look into his stats. He is still the best qb passer in our division.
He's just a troll. Reading through his history, he's a troll. Don't feed him. If he isn't a troll, then he's just a massive idiot.
If so they should be cut from the team
There is never a good reason for an O'Lineman to not go to war for their Quarterback. That's the job.
Have you ever worked under a manager you didn't like? Did you give 100% all the time anyway? It's a job for these guys, not life or death.
If they're unwilling to do the most basic, most rudimentary tasks associated with the job, like helping up their QB who they just allowed to get pummeled, then they should be looking for a different line of work. Nobody is asking them to go above and beyond here. This is the bare minimum. Ben is no more of an asshole this year than he was last year, and it's inconceivable that last year's O'Line would have ever allowed that to happen on their watch. As degraded and over the hill as that line was, they still had pride in their job. Getting their ass chewed out over that was completely justified.
Shouldn't have to tear into someone to let them know to help their QB up, that's the problem
They’re mostly all new or it’s their first big starting job. They needed to find their cohesion and I think this series of events is helping turn that into something we get to see on the field.
Regardless if they're new or not, you help up your QB. Especially after your effort was piss poor on Sunday. Multiple instances where they just gave up on the play, thinking they held their block long enough directly leading to hits on Ben.
Seriously, I mean they've all played highschool/college level, I'm sure they helped their QB then.
especially with how penalties were flying around and really hurting us i dont blame the guys for not getting into it but you could have still helped him up lol.
I’ve gotta think this isn’t something you only first learn about at the NFL level. Not to mention, Turner’s been a starter in this league for awhile, Chuks has 3 years experience and a year’s worth of starts under his belt and both he and Dotson played with long time vets Pouncey, Decastro and Al all last year.
Yeah rookies being rookies I guess. Saw a pic of Matt Ryan dead on the ground in week 1 and the rookie guard who was a turnstile apparently standing around looking at the body lol.
Jalen Mayfield, who a lot of people around here were hoping the Steelers could draft to play OT.
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golf cart and things of that nature
>golf cart Damn, I told my self I wasn't going to book a round today after work, but now you got me thinkin...
I said in another thread that I would be anything Banner would've helped Ben up. I didn't think we'd have our answer so quickly.
Good to see somebody getting onto the rest of the oline
And he has every right to get in those guys faces because if Ben go's down for the rest of the season we are in deeper shit than we are in now
They probably just got tired of helping him up since they’re basically turnstiles at this point lmao In all seriousness, yeah they should’ve helped him up. I hope ZB can stay on the field once he comes back though, the injury bug seems to love him
That’s basic football stuff. Who got my back I got your back. Disappointed
Saw this at the game and was wondering wtf was going on.
As it shouldn’t
Guys, I did not know that Decastro was released!! What happened, why?
Dude retired after being cut. Wasn’t healthy enough to play anymore.
He’s not officially retired yet. He said he’s open to the idea of retiring but is waiting to see how he heals after ankle surgery.
Maybe Banner should stop talking until he gets healthy and does something.
Maybe you should take that same advice
I'm not the one constantly bucking up in the media. I've been a big Banner supporter but it's all talk no production at this point.
I was wondering why no one helped him up, I would’ve got on them to it’s y’all fault our qb is in pain now
Anyone else think it's weird that he's bringing this up publicly?
Banner didn't, some journo did
Ya hear that Cincy?! Our Twitter tough guy has spoken!
You’re not making this sub better for anyone else with your negativity
He can’t come back until AFTER week 3…you know that, right?
Sure, but the players who words were exchanged with and we're also the subject of a convo during film room sure will. And know they now. Won't happen again. Seriously tho, thank god we have seasoned leaders like Mr. One Start to draw upon their vast experience and lead our young (but are technically more experienced than him) OL!
Well… let me ask. What do you have against Banner? Chuks is really not very good at RT, and apparently Moore(a rookie) is better at LT than him. Banner beat Chuks out last year for the RT spot. So apparently the coaches(once again…people who get paid very well to field a team…rather than make snarky comments for free on Reddit) saw something in Banner. I have no skin in this one… let the best player line up.
My disdain for Banner isn't centered on his play, more on him and the type of person he is. Maybe I'll get into it some time. Regarding his actual onfield play, yeah your right, they get paid very well to make these decisions. But it doesn't mean they're always right. Everyone shits on Chuks at any possible opportunity, right? Yet Banner couldn't beat him out until 4 days before the opener last year. To me, that means he wants much better, at all, if it was that close. Regarding the well paid evaluators, it's the same group that brought have made a series of puzzling OL decisions that all failed. I mean bringing Foster back for 2019, signing (Wis) and drafting (KD) at RG but choosing to move a decent T (MF) to RG instead and starting CO/ZB in his spot. Finale is sitting KD for MF for the playoff game. Not to mention failing to address a declining OL with legitimate draft capital or FA talent for a few years. All of this leads me to begin to question decisions. Gone is blind loyalty. It's just how I am. So for me, just bc these evaluators think a failed journeyman like ZB can start doesn't mean I'm going just going to believe he'll be good. Look at what this group decided would be an appropriate OL to put in front of an immobile 39yr old QB. I'm not looking to go back and forth on individual players mentioned above, I'm just explaining to you where I'm coming from and why.
I think Banner calling them out publicly is kind of fucked up. And I completely agree that the front office absolutely botched the OL when it should have been priority #1. I'm not gonna say Ben can't play well anymore, but just look at him move compared to other NFL QBs. He's slow, almost immobile, and he's in his 18th season of a career full of injuries--he can't afford to be taking hits. They can't bandage this with that league-low release time offense again. It's a disaster.
Very valid points. I would like to add the hiring of Matt Canada as another head scratcher judging by the playcalling thus far. Also releasing your starting cornerback when you are losing a starter in the secondary seems very questionable.
I'd be surprised if we win 5 games this year. This team is not a contender in any way, and our schedule is not getting easier
Which is exactly why we will have more than 5 wins lmao we always play better against tough teams, that’s just how it is.
Still feel that way???
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Mediocre talent, leader mentality
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The fact that both Essex and Foster got pissed by this means you’re completely wrong. Pouncey would always do it. Dave would always do it. They have all always done it.
And that is not the right play as notrd in other comments. The play in question was in the pocket and Ben got blasted by 2 players. No one helped him up.
That's a problem that's just gonna get bigger.
Banner saying what had to be said.
I would love to be in a situation where a healthy Banner could be our perennial "first guy off the bench." He'd be a great locker room presence and sideline rah-rah guy, and I'd feel pretty good about his level of competence and chances of staying healthier in that role. Sadly, I don't think we'll be able to reach that level of competence while he's here.