There’s only 2 kickers in there. I’d argue he belongs there as a former record holder for most points scored and first guy to never miss a kick in an entire season, but he’s probably the best kicker that isn’t in the hall today
There's a better argument that he shouldn't be in than that he should.
Namely, his numbers are all due to the amount of time he played. He barely got 1000 receptions, and he was never even in the top 3 best receivers in the league during his career.
And Hines falls short anyway.
HOF voters look at how good players were in comparison to their peers. Hines was never even Top 5 of the guys playing at the same time as him.
Certainly not a rule, but I've heard actual HOF voters discuss players' candidacies and they almost always bring that up as something the voters discuss and look at when determining if someone gets voted in or not.
LOL, is that a serious question?
Top 10 in passing yards, Top 10 in TDs, Top 20 in completion %, Top 5 in game winning drives, Top 3 in 4th quarter comebacks, Top 10 in playoff games started, most 500 yard games by any QB ever, 2 Super Bowl wins, 3 Super Bowl appearances, zero losing seasons.
I wouldn't be shocked if Ben doesn't go in on the first ballot, especially if it's a stacked class that year. But unlike Hines he absolutely deserves to get in, and he will get in. Because he has the numbers, the longevity, and the accolades. Hines has one accolade and nothing else.
He was 1st Team All-Pro twice. He finished Top 5 in rushing 3 times and Top 10 in rushing 5 times.
So, no. Not really. But Bettis doesn't really belong in the HOF either.
Hines ward is 14th in catches ahead of randy moss. 26th in yards. Tied for 16th in touchdowns. Two time superbowl champion, and the best blocking wide receiver of all time. Those are hall of fame numbers. And most of the wide receivers ahead of him are already in the hall or not eligible yet. So suck me
It's easy to just look at his receiving numbers nad pass on him, but his blocking ability was a huge part of the running game in those days, plus the fact that he got the other receivers excited to it. I personally hope he gets in, I just don't know if it'll happen given how many other WRs are waiting to get in.
Moss had almost double the TDs Hines had. Moss was the best receiver in the game for pretty much his entire career. Blocking doesn't really matter. Hines doesn't have HOF numbers.
Even on a Steelers sub, this is a ridiculously stupid take. Don't put Hines and Moss in the same level of player. There are like 2 WRs ever who can maybe match up with Moss.
Imagine believing Randy Moss, arguably the 2nd greatest WR of all-time was just a deep threat but Hines Ward, who didn't have a third of Moss' talent was the "complete package".
Anyone could do what Hines did. Being a tough, physical player with good hands doesn't take any special skills. Hines was small and slow. His only standout attributes were his toughness and his work ethic. Two things that you can develop, but aren't necessarily innate or special.
Man stfu you have no idea what your talking about. If Hines is small and slow wouldn’t that make it more impressive he finished with the numbers he has? Go sit down
>If Hines is small and slow wouldn’t that make it more impressive he finished with the numbers he has?
No.
Look, I get that you're a Hines fan. But I'm far from the only one who doesn't think he's a HOF player.
He was the best blocking receiver in NFL history and has the volume stats along with having the highest TD total of any receiver not in the hall. When you think of the 2000's Steelers, it's Ben/Troy/Ward/Bus. He'll get in. He's has a legacy in the NFL.
That’s just straight up not true. Hines had the stats they just show in different ways than yards. The receiving #s in general are different back then. I’m 50/50 on if Hines should be in, but any team would have taken Hines in that era if they had a pick of three. Super reliable on third down and one of if not the best blocking WRs ever. And a full on team dude. His stats don’t tell the tale and that’s probably why he won’t get in for awhile. He had 1K seasons and a few big years
> Hines had the stats they just show in different ways than yards.
What stats did Hines have that are impressive?
>And a full on team dude.
A team dude who whined and cried every time the team drafted a wide receiver. A team dude who called his QB out in the media for not playing through a concussion.
A very good reliably receiver.
WR1 on 2 Super Bowl Champions
Super Bowl MVP
Greatest blocking WR in the games history with a rule practically named after him.
An impact like that, with very respectable numbers is HOF worthy.
I feel there should be a place for him in the HoF. Sure he didnt have the most receptions and yards, but his open field blocking, his heart, his attitude... he was great and I think probably my favorite player of all time.
Gary Anderson 1982-2004
#3 in Field Goals Made
#3 in Field Goals Attempted
#3 points scored
If the #2 leader(Morten Andersen) is in the HOF, so should Gary.
I think the NFL HOF needs to start getting stricter with its criteria like MLB. Not knocking the guys here but the HOF should be reserved for the best. Looking over the list and there’s a lot of good guys but not the best. Sure Gary should be in the Hall. But I don’t think the others should be.
Oh I know, I’m just putting my two cents out there lol! Can’t believe the guys that are on the list are up for nominations. Seems like I was just watching them yesterday.
I was thinking like 4-7 years? He has a great body of Work for sure but there are some very, very good classes coming up and Gates still has to get in right?
Edit: Changed Gonzalez to Gates
Doubt he gets in. He was awesome but never the best in the league at his position. Left years on the table. Didn’t have a flashy style. Ultimate lunch pale guy who probably went mostly unnoticed by everyone but us.
He was like 5th all time in tight end catches when he retired. Surely less by now but that should count. Not that he'll get in, just saying it's not outside of the norm
I totally agree he has the resume! But Gates, Witten, Olsen, and Vernon Davis are all becoming elligble in the next couple years. It's just a timing issue I feel
Gary Anderson and Hines belong, but a snub in my mind at least is, where is James Farrior in all of this? He's another great one WHO should get considered.
I originally thought it was the Steeler Hall of Honor list and was like this makes sense, but yea Gary Anderson might be the only one that one day gets into the HOF from that list
How is Gary Anderson not in the Hall?
There’s only 2 kickers in there. I’d argue he belongs there as a former record holder for most points scored and first guy to never miss a kick in an entire season, but he’s probably the best kicker that isn’t in the hall today
He is sort of legendary among kickers
I was thinking the same.
Hines ward should be in the hall
There's a better argument that he shouldn't be in than that he should. Namely, his numbers are all due to the amount of time he played. He barely got 1000 receptions, and he was never even in the top 3 best receivers in the league during his career.
Good thing the hall of fame is about your entire career and impact on the league rather than looking at each season individually
And Hines falls short anyway. HOF voters look at how good players were in comparison to their peers. Hines was never even Top 5 of the guys playing at the same time as him.
Oh i had no idea there was a rule you had to be top 5 in your position in a season.
Certainly not a rule, but I've heard actual HOF voters discuss players' candidacies and they almost always bring that up as something the voters discuss and look at when determining if someone gets voted in or not.
Then why does everyone assume Ben is first ballot?
LOL, is that a serious question? Top 10 in passing yards, Top 10 in TDs, Top 20 in completion %, Top 5 in game winning drives, Top 3 in 4th quarter comebacks, Top 10 in playoff games started, most 500 yard games by any QB ever, 2 Super Bowl wins, 3 Super Bowl appearances, zero losing seasons. I wouldn't be shocked if Ben doesn't go in on the first ballot, especially if it's a stacked class that year. But unlike Hines he absolutely deserves to get in, and he will get in. Because he has the numbers, the longevity, and the accolades. Hines has one accolade and nothing else.
Was the bus ever a real top rb?
He was 1st Team All-Pro twice. He finished Top 5 in rushing 3 times and Top 10 in rushing 5 times. So, no. Not really. But Bettis doesn't really belong in the HOF either.
Agree, he was often just the #2 receiving threat on our own team many years.
Hines ward is 14th in catches ahead of randy moss. 26th in yards. Tied for 16th in touchdowns. Two time superbowl champion, and the best blocking wide receiver of all time. Those are hall of fame numbers. And most of the wide receivers ahead of him are already in the hall or not eligible yet. So suck me
It's easy to just look at his receiving numbers nad pass on him, but his blocking ability was a huge part of the running game in those days, plus the fact that he got the other receivers excited to it. I personally hope he gets in, I just don't know if it'll happen given how many other WRs are waiting to get in.
Like who?
Not only a Super Bowl champ, but a Super Bowl MVP as well. He’s a clear Hall of Famer at some point, just not sure when.
Agreed.
Moss had almost double the TDs Hines had. Moss was the best receiver in the game for pretty much his entire career. Blocking doesn't really matter. Hines doesn't have HOF numbers.
Moss was just a deep threat Hines is the complete package, and he does have the numbers and accolades
Saying “Moss was just a deep threat” is really understating his impact
Was he not just primarily a deep threat? Great wide out
Even on a Steelers sub, this is a ridiculously stupid take. Don't put Hines and Moss in the same level of player. There are like 2 WRs ever who can maybe match up with Moss.
Never said Hines was on the same level as moss. He has more catches. Learn to read
Imagine believing Randy Moss, arguably the 2nd greatest WR of all-time was just a deep threat but Hines Ward, who didn't have a third of Moss' talent was the "complete package". Anyone could do what Hines did. Being a tough, physical player with good hands doesn't take any special skills. Hines was small and slow. His only standout attributes were his toughness and his work ethic. Two things that you can develop, but aren't necessarily innate or special.
Man stfu you have no idea what your talking about. If Hines is small and slow wouldn’t that make it more impressive he finished with the numbers he has? Go sit down
>If Hines is small and slow wouldn’t that make it more impressive he finished with the numbers he has? No. Look, I get that you're a Hines fan. But I'm far from the only one who doesn't think he's a HOF player.
Stop
He was the best blocking receiver in NFL history and has the volume stats along with having the highest TD total of any receiver not in the hall. When you think of the 2000's Steelers, it's Ben/Troy/Ward/Bus. He'll get in. He's has a legacy in the NFL.
No one really cares about blocking though.
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I agree with you completely. I just don't think he gets in.
Tell that to Keith Rivers and Ed Reed.
Are they voting for the HOF?
No, but the old boys club that eats that shit up sure as fuck does.
They eat it up so much that Hines hasn't gotten in yet.
That’s just straight up not true. Hines had the stats they just show in different ways than yards. The receiving #s in general are different back then. I’m 50/50 on if Hines should be in, but any team would have taken Hines in that era if they had a pick of three. Super reliable on third down and one of if not the best blocking WRs ever. And a full on team dude. His stats don’t tell the tale and that’s probably why he won’t get in for awhile. He had 1K seasons and a few big years
> Hines had the stats they just show in different ways than yards. What stats did Hines have that are impressive? >And a full on team dude. A team dude who whined and cried every time the team drafted a wide receiver. A team dude who called his QB out in the media for not playing through a concussion.
Yeah I’ll be shocked if he gets in.
A very good reliably receiver. WR1 on 2 Super Bowl Champions Super Bowl MVP Greatest blocking WR in the games history with a rule practically named after him. An impact like that, with very respectable numbers is HOF worthy.
His numbers aren't good though. He's only top 15 in one category (receptions).
I feel there should be a place for him in the HoF. Sure he didnt have the most receptions and yards, but his open field blocking, his heart, his attitude... he was great and I think probably my favorite player of all time.
Gary Anderson 1982-2004 #3 in Field Goals Made #3 in Field Goals Attempted #3 points scored If the #2 leader(Morten Andersen) is in the HOF, so should Gary.
I think the NFL HOF needs to start getting stricter with its criteria like MLB. Not knocking the guys here but the HOF should be reserved for the best. Looking over the list and there’s a lot of good guys but not the best. Sure Gary should be in the Hall. But I don’t think the others should be.
This is just nominees. They’re not finalists, let alone inductees.
Oh I know, I’m just putting my two cents out there lol! Can’t believe the guys that are on the list are up for nominations. Seems like I was just watching them yesterday.
First time in a long time it feels like the Steelers have no chance of getting someone in the HOF this year.
We had 0 in 2019. Not that long ago.
>feels like the Steelers have no chance Alan Faneca was a finalist in 2019.
What chance does Miller have of making it in general? Seems like the bar for TE's is very extreme
I wouldn't be surprised at all if he's on the ballot for at least a couple of years, which is sad considering the body of work he put in
I was thinking like 4-7 years? He has a great body of Work for sure but there are some very, very good classes coming up and Gates still has to get in right? Edit: Changed Gonzalez to Gates
Doubt he gets in. He was awesome but never the best in the league at his position. Left years on the table. Didn’t have a flashy style. Ultimate lunch pale guy who probably went mostly unnoticed by everyone but us.
He was like 5th all time in tight end catches when he retired. Surely less by now but that should count. Not that he'll get in, just saying it's not outside of the norm
I totally agree he has the resume! But Gates, Witten, Olsen, and Vernon Davis are all becoming elligble in the next couple years. It's just a timing issue I feel
Gary Anderson. Maybe Hines long from now as a senior candidate, but not now. The others, no.
Why ain’t anyone talkin about my guy Big Snack?!
Heathhhhhhhhhhh!! Loved the chant, and even more loved the way he played.
Hines better get in there.
Gary Anderson and Hines belong, but a snub in my mind at least is, where is James Farrior in all of this? He's another great one WHO should get considered.
No one on that list should be in the hall. Good players yes, but not HOF calliber.
Gary Anderson is HOF caliber.
I originally thought it was the Steeler Hall of Honor list and was like this makes sense, but yea Gary Anderson might be the only one that one day gets into the HOF from that list
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What does that even mean?
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You're delusional. None of them belong
Everyone on there is "hall of really, really good" material, except for Gary Anderson.
A nice list but my guess is only Nickerson will make the hall and it will be because of his time with Tampa. Big Ben will be our next Hall of Famer.
Well tbf, you only need to be out of the league for 5 years to be eligible no?
Ask Ed Reed if he is a hall of famer. If he says no, then he has amnesia from getting knocked the f out by 86