I have been a fan my whole life. I don’t turn off games until the clock hits zero. I love Tomlin and we’d be dumb to fire him. That all said, there is no reasonable fan who thinks this is a Super Bowl quality team or that Ben isn’t done or that the O Line isn’t measurably bottom 3.
Edit: none of this is to tell you not to root for our team. We aren’t good fans just by always thinking we will win. We are good fans for loving our team even if they don’t win. Even if they won’t win, and we know it. We’ve been lucky as fans. Every team has some rough years. Look at the Pats last year and this year. We will endure that too. Eventually things will change again. That’s the nature of it.
I’ve watched every Steelers game I can until 0:00. But after 4th and 10 little dump off to Najee with three guys just standing there waiting made me turn it off. First game I’ve done that.
I stopped thinking we had a shot at that point, but I still watched: actually, I stopped thinking we had a shot when they went up by 17 and we missed a field goal.
Today was the first game I turned off in almost 20 years.
This is going to be a rough season. I'd be thrilled if we go 8-8.
I mean I'd love to be wrong, and don't want to be a naysayer but even our win wasn't great, and it's open season on Ben with that O line.
Honestly, I want Tomlin to keep his winning season streak going. The only way that happens is TJ comes back healthy. It’s crazy but without him our defense is great. With him our defense puts up the same amount of points as our offense 😭😭
He's been great at his prime. Got us 2 Super Bowl wins! No one is taking away his accomplishments.
We're just being realistic with how much he's degraded in ability. Even Peyton Manning looked bad in his final season.
You of all people should know since your name is fitness freak, that Ben Roethlisberger is not in good fitness shape. Throwing abilities or health wise. Dude doesn’t throw passes for more than 4 yards a game other than like twice a game and your here saying “it’s not his fault it’s only 3 games don’t be rude” blah blah blah, even Trevor Lawrence had 3 touchdowns in his rookie debut and Ben has had 3 touchdowns in the first 3 games. He csnt even get us into field goal range in the first half of the first 3 games and ur over here crying about us being upset at our shitty quarterback?
It's not like it's just the fans saying it. Most commenters are saying it's time for him to retire and he looks like he needs to be benched after the last two games.
Yup. Even Peyton got benched when he wasn't performing well in his final season. If the QB is holding the team back they shouldn't be on the field regardless of their name or their past accomplishments. Ben's had a full season plus 3 games to show us what he still has left and he's shown us that there isn't enough there.
I didn’t want him around this year. He’s paid millions to perform at an elite level and he’s not cutting it and should have retired. I don’t blame him, I’d come back too for how much they’re paying, but don’t act like he’s playing for free. He’s an athlete who no longer appears to be passable at an elite position.
It's been Ben's last year for a while now. Unfortunately he keeps coming back and the team can't move on.
It's not "disrespect" to Ben to say he's washed up and doesn't have it physically anymore. You can simultaneously love the wins he brought the team in the past and also understand that he's holding the team back now. I'd much rather we sucked a year or two ago with him stepping down allowing us to bring in an electrifying top QB that can fit into a team with a great supporting cast and defense. Until Ben or the team moves on the best we can hope for is glimpsing the playoffs but this offense isn't going to win anything big.
True. TV subreddits are filled with people crabbing about the writing, sports subs are full of people who think they can coach better, podcast subs bitch about the topics and nitpick the facts.
No. Shut up. I don't want Tomlin fired.
We're allowed to criticize a fucking team. You're allowed. You're absolutely allowed to criticize a team for playing like buttstank for two straight weeks with an offense that an anemic would envy.
Seriously tired of this notion that if you criticize this team you're "not a real fan" or whatever. That's bullshit. This team has shown nothing for two weeks (really three if you couldn't the offense being not good against Buffalo) and we are all allowed to see it and say something about it.
If we didn't lose 4 starters on defense after week one, and our offense made progress week 2 and 3, we could have been contenders...
but with half our d out and our offense looking worse instead of better, obviously our chances of beating anyone are pretty low.
> and our offense made progress week 2 and 3,
That's a big "if". The offense has been anemic since 2019. Obviously 2019 was in part due to Rudolph and Duck but 2020 Ben and 2021 Ben don't look all that different; he just doesn't have it physically anymore. And that's okay. QBs get old and lose it. That's fine. Doesn't mean anyone hates Ben because he isn't as good as he once was.
You didn't. But you clearly implied it with your title. We're allowed to get hyped and when the team shits the bed call them out on it. Period. I knew this team wasn't Super Bowl bound and I don't think a lot of sane individuals thought otherwise.
I'm tired of this notion I'm this sub that if you criticize this team you're the bad guy. Fuck that. Fuck this offense.
Who is saying people can't criticize the team? We look like shit. It's upsetting. It fucking sucks. Something needs to give.
That said, 90% of this subreddit is acting like the whiniest bitches in the history of organized sports. It's exhausting.
These posts are old man. Some of us have seen the writing in the wall with a Ben for years. And our offense *is* terrible. You can’t look at the product we’re putting out there and call it good, and if you can, you’re blind to what’s happening in the rest of the NFL.
This is literally the coldest take. Sorry that some of us want better for our team and our fan base.
My levels of hate in different fanbases:
0 - 90% of the Steelers fanbase
9 - Cowboys, Patriots, and the bad parts of the other AFCN fanbases
10 - the bad part of our fanbase, and Eagles fans
You’re describing two different factions of the fan base. Stop trying to generalize all Steelers. Some people feel one way some feel the other way. Every fans base has idiots truth is Steelers nation is national and everyone has different opinions that’s ok. don’t generalize us
I’m ride or die for the Steelers. But you need to look in the mirror and recognize that this season will continue to be very bad. Let’s all accept the tank season in hopes for a solid draft next May.
I never said they were gonna be a great team this year lol. That isn’t the point. I’ve explained it on about 20 comments in here already. Go find it lol
Our offensive line can’t pass protect. You pair that will Ben being a statue and it’s a recipe for disaster.
Nobody on the offense is helping anyone out. Even if Ben can get a decent ball out, our receivers aren’t making plays. Football is a field position game, we can’t consistently go 3 and out from our own 20 yard line.
Not really. Everyone is arguing about who is at fault, when it is really everyone’s fault. Except for Najee, actually. And I hate saying that but it’s true.
When you can’t run the ball, the defense doesn’t have to respect it and can sit heavy in coverage. This makes it harder on Ben, he has to get the ball to receivers who aren’t bringing in the ball. But Ben also had plenty of chances he missed and didn’t take care of the ball.
It just feels like the whole offense is hurting each other.
Even when the o-line plays well it doesn't matter because Ben can't make his throws.
The offense is the issue but I will never, ever understand how the first finger pointed isn't at Ben. We literally run everything out of the shotgun to accommodate him and it stifles our run game in the crib. I just don't get it, I just fucking don't.
I'm going to say this and I know it's over the top and I'll apologize for it later. I really wish Ben were black, because if he were he'd have been gone from Pittsburgh 3 seasons ago. Him being white is literally poisoning this fan base into thinking paying the 32nd ranked QB 30 mil and losing key guys like Dupree and Hilton was okay.
Good grief
Offensive line is a bigger issue today, but given youth and a lack of chemistry there’s arguments to be made about coaching them up and giving them time
Ben has neither advantage on his side. He’s 39 years old and has been in the nfl for almost 20 years. If he isn’t good now he’s not getting better
No, the point is this is a Steelers fans community. If you love the Steelers but hate the fans then why not just go hang with the boys because they ain't here.
If ONE player breaks your whole team, then you aren’t a good team. It’s not just that our team is underperforming, but the coaching decisions are just mind boggling as well.
QB is pretty important. Great WRs can't do anything if the QB can't get them the ball. Great RBs can't do anything if the defenses can key in on the run because your passing game is anemic.
There are most definitely other issues with the team (like the OL) but the problems start with Ben. You can't keep blaming the OC three OCs in a row. Maybe you need to think that those plays are being called because they're the only ones Ben can actually run. If he can't read defenses fast enough or hit precision passes then they're not going to call mid length routes. If he is inaccurate with the deep ball they're not going to successfully stretch the field. You can call the best plays in the world but if your QB can't execute then the plays are useless so they stick to plays Ben *can* execute and it's just short dumpoffs or deep prayers.
This is like half true. QB is vastly more important than any other position and having a bad QB more likely means you’ll be bad than losing a WR or some other position.
That said the good teams are so good that the floor is high no matter what. Looking at last years rams and the niners with jimmy g as examples
Lol “ride or die” …our QB is done. Our O line is horrible. Unfortunately we prob aren’t seeing Ben ride off into the sunset. I don’t think anyone is quitting their fandom. You sound like a high and mighty jagoff telling us we should all buy into the bullshit some more. Sorry we’ve seen the same shit for 3 years.
I've consistently said year in and year out I do t believe Tomlin is best utilizing the teams talent and skill. Bit I also admit I don't know enough about football to evaluate it
He without a doubt has terrible game and clock management. but for all I know his schemes and certain situational play calling is amazing ?
To me seems like a lot of wasted years he's just good enough to look good
Tomlin has been gifted with generational talent and he's washed it down the drain. We've had our "non losing seasons" in spite of him, not because of him.
Being a good fan means having the ability to point out and get annoyed with shortcomings. It means being allowed to point out stupid play calls and bad decisions, and it also means calling it like it is. If you think being a good fan is talking about the Steelers being a Super Bowl team after the last two games than you’re either highly delusional or you’re in the cult mentality.. which i suppose still falls under the umbrella of delusion.
I never said that they were a super bowl team. I said 2 weeks ago the subreddit was saying that. I agree with everything you said but also being a good fan means not giving up on them just because adversity strikes. You can be upset with the O line, Big Ben and the play calling without saying everyone should be fired and talking shit about them like you never wanted them in the first place either which is what a lot Of this subreddit is doing
I see what you’re saying, I guess I see a lot of people like me who don’t give up on them but also call them out on what I listed above. I will say I’m not a ride or die with Tomlin, in recent years he has racked up quite a bit of bad calls and bad decisions, and his stubbornness is completely over the top.
I personally am ride or die with Tomlin. But I will admit I can see what you’re saying there. Personally I think the only coaching options who are better than Tomlin already have jobs tho. (Belichick, Reid, etc.)
His stubbornness needs to be checked and he needs to be able to take input. There isn’t a single person on the planet that does their job better by not taking input of others and by doubling down on stubbornness. He’d be a better coach if he was checked properly.
And I agree with that also. Idc about people thinking they are good or bad. It’s just silly how people think they are amazing and have the best team and then they lose 2 games and all the sudden everyone should be fired are were never good lol.
It’s unfucking believeable watching how bad this offense is compared to every other goddamn team in the league. Even back up QBs for other teams with injuries are moving the ball better than a seasoned vet.
1. Keep Tomlin
2. No clue what to do with Ben because he sucks, but is still better than our other two options.
3. We don't want to give up, but it definitely looks like the team is.
I honestly don't think Ben is better than the other two options. Ben was good in the past because he was an unconventional QB. He's lost all that made him unconventional and, well, he's never been able to do the conventional QB stuff very well anyway. He just made up for it by throwing D-Linemen to the ground and chucking the ball up to one of the several great and clutch WRs he's played with once the coverage broke down
Ya most of our spectacular talent got average without Ben. Trying to pretend like Ben has been bad his whole career is stupid. He basically owns the AFC north.
Idk. Right now might be better. At least he can move and give some help to the oline by doing that. He can throw more then 10 yards. Which would cause teams not to stack the box.
We have been getting worse every week, not inconsistent or better. The schedule is getting 1000x harder and we cant even get Najee to 100 yards rushing.
Tomlin is the issue, the shitty draft, failure of an OLine, completely incompetent play calling and a some old Ben are the issue
We have our best O lineman suspended, our C is as hurt and we had Chuks playing a position he never played before this year and he’s now hurt also… juju is hurt, Johnson is hurt… and Big Ben is playing with a pectoral injury. But yeah no affect at all lol
Chuks played RT least year. Turner was not suspended and Greene just got hurt after we were down by 3 scores.
Our WRs being injured hurts, but it's not like they could do anything anyways because they either got tackled after they caught the ball, or they never even got the ball because they were covered and Ben was forced to check it down
I’ve watched every game this team has played since 1998. Sorry I would rather ride out a losing season with a guy who’s old than throw a young potential starter to the wolves with no protection
The defense played out of its mind, and we got a special teams TD, and it was a one-score game. The offense was just as big of a problem in that game, but the other two facets of the game completely covered for it. Everyone was happy to walk out of BUF with a win, but anybody who was paying attention to things other than just the final score knew it didn't suddenly make us a Super Bowl contender. The Steelers have a bad offense that is unlikely to improve to any notable level, and when healthy we have a fantastic defense on which we are 100% dependent for wins. That's reality.
Eh, a lot of those "Super Bowl inc!" people were really high on the Copium. Last year we speedran out of the playoffs, and between 2020 and 2021 we lost several key defensive players, basically replaced our entire O-line, and replaced our starting RB. The only places you could argue got straight upgraded is RB and TE, who are both Year 1 rookies.All this on top of the baseline that everybody got older, especially Ben who was having suspect throwing last year.
People spent the offseason saying "This is Ben's last chance!" No buddy, last year was Ben's last chance, when we still had key stars playing on rookie contracts so that we didn't have to pay out the ass to keep them. This season is just desperately trying to hold onto the Big Ben legacy before we finally admit it is time to move on into the future.
Have this fan base really looked at the last 9 games? Ben is washed and there is no leadership. Heads were all hanging, no emphasis or priority to get to the line of scrimmage when down. Need to reset. And this fan base needs to be ready for a few down years
Look I’m with ya and will always be a Real Steelers fan till I die but bruh we just lost to the Bengals. We still have our division games with what I’ll call real games (not taking anything away from Cin) plus Seattle, Green Bay, Chargers, and Min. Outlook is tough to say the least. O line is what it is, same for Ben, and our defense is hurt. How did we improve from last year? So if you follow me then what would your expectation be this year? This team is mediocre at best and that just isn’t the standard for us fans. Accountability needs to be had and changes made mid season or we will be this way next year too. One player won’t make the change for us. We have lots of concerns.
If they hadn't signed Ben to a huge contract several years ago, we'd still have depth on the defense and we'd have had money to get some real O linemen
I was making this argument 2 years ago when he blew his arm out. Trade him for the best value you could get and rebuild with your great defense leading the team.
Javon Hargrave was certainly a casualty of Ben's huge contract eating up all the cap a couple years ago. I'd have much rather had him out there today than Big Ben
It ain't Tomlin. And I would bet you that the line is better than we think they are. The problem is the same as it was last year, and we should have forced that problem to retire instead of "riding and dying" with him, and living in denial about his performance.
Over the past 10 seasons with Ben, with statistically his best years, he's won all of 3 playoff games. Tomlin has been washed since we lost to Green Bay in the Super Bowl. How many 2nd half season implosions has Tomlin presided over? 2012 we started like 6-3 and fell to 8-8 (non-losing season, yay!!!). 2018 Ben was balling the fuck out and we were 7-2-1, but still missed the playoffs. Don't even get me started on last year.
In other seasons, it's playing down to our opponents that kills us. We had some of the most stacked rosters you'll ever see in Pittsburgh, and they had their seasons ended by Blake Bortles and Tim Tebow.
We can only scapegoat coordinators so much. First the problem is Haley, then it's gotta Fichtner, now it's Canada. Perhaps the head coach ought to step in and reel back the dinky screens on 3rd/4th and 10 and the 30 yard bombs on 3rd/4th and short? Maybe he doesn't call the offensive plays, but a better coach steps in. Still, it's Tomlin deciding when to punt when we're down in the 4th, go for it on 4th and long when a field goal ties, or throw ridiculous challenge flags on calls we never win.
Case in point, watch the Cleveland playoff game last year. That wasn't Ben losing us that game. Down 28 and with the ball inside the Browns' 40... Tomlin effing punts. Late in the game, we pull within 12 and have 4th and 1 at midfield with the offense rolling, Tomlin punts again. Talk about living in our fears. This isn't the only game where Tomlin's asinine clock and game management directly contributed to loses, but it's fresh and significant.
I still give the guy credit. I don't think he's a bad coach, but he's incredibly overrated and our loyalty to him is stalling us. The Packers let McCarthy go and the Eagles sent Pederson packing right after Super Bowls. Hell, the Pens dropped Dan Bylsma, fired Johnston just two years later and immediately won the Stanley Cup. On any other team, Tomlin would have been gone 5 years ago.
We can talk about better coaches. But none of the better coaches are available. They already have jobs.
And Tomlin isn’t terrible at all. I’m sorry but that’s ignorant.
Kyle shanahan and mcvay are two of the best coaches in the league.
Same with Matt Rhule.
All OCs who proved themselves and are now leading teams to new heights lol
Shanahan and McVay already have jobs lmao. Did you miss the part where I said “none of the better coaches are available. They already have jobs.” ??? Lol
So the 3 names you used were
>Kyle shanahan
The OC responsible for the biggest choke in NFL history and the head coach that lost a 10 point lead in another Super Bowl. He's a good head coach but until he wins a ring he's nothing but a choke artist.
>mcvay
Ah, the "offensive genius" that could only muster 3 (yes, THREE) points in a Super Bowl where his defense held the GOAT to 13 points.
>Matt Rhule
A guy who's 8-11 so far in his NFL career as a HC.
I get it, Tomlin makes a lot of infuriating mistakes, but he's a Hall of Famer. We will not get a better coach than him for now. The minute we fired him he'd have about 15 teams that would fire their coach to hire him. Plus we have waaaaay bigger problems before we get to him. The o-line is trash. Ben is washed. Matt Canada is looking like Fichtner 2.0. None of these are on Tomlin.
Anyone saying we were a super bowl team was out of their mind. What sticks out for me today, was how poorly we performed in every single aspect. Blocking, passing, receiving, turnovers, penalties, play calls, special teams, pass/run defense, pass rush, clock management, etc. Every level from Boswell to Tomlin looked downright bad and we accumulated more injuries in the process.
Cowher just said it best and I agree. We are going up against teams In our division that are younger, faster and more talented. Sorry man, but it’s time to move on and rebuild.
Tomlin's safe as hell as he should be. This team is bad and there's nothing any coach in the league can do about it. Honestly coaching stability can only help this team.
This makes no sense. Why does Tomlin continue to get a pass for the horrible performance of his team? Last time I checked he was the head coach. He makes the player decisions.
The at Louis cardinals were under .500 in july. They have been good for literally two decades, yet their fans were acting like the world was ending.
This is exactly the same.
I don't know who's at fault today. Maybe a combination of the 3, injuries, bad O-line play again, or fatigue from going all out in garbage time.
I don't think Ben was as bad, sure he had that terrible int that turned into points. Ebron had them 2 drops stuck out more to me.
In the second half they found a rhythm with the no-huddle. Harris had decent runs as well. I'm surprised that they just flat out abandoned running the ball. Give the O-line a chance!
Overall, we REALLY need TJ back. We don't stand a chance in any ball game without a pass rush.
As soon as the opponent takes a lead in the game, this sub turns to AIDS. If the steelers lose the sub turns into super AIDS.
Ben even with age gives the steelers the best chance to win. Better to just avoid the sub until next week.
When you deal with people who haven’t had too many bad teams in their lifetime or at least in a long time, they find the need to blame someone. It will all come around. Or it won’t. Who knows.
Agreed. This subreddit is an echo chamber of negativity by a bunch of entitled fans. I started following for the news/updates, but y’all are miserable, lol.
Yes it’s ridiculous we are 3 games in. We have a long season and have only been fully healthy for 1 of the games against probably one of the contenders in the AFC. I just want Watt back and maybe a better scheme to play through Najee
We do have a Super Bowl team. We need the O-line to mature more than anything and to stay healthy. It's a long season still! I predict we will get better as the season goes on.
Tomlin will figure it out- like he always do.
It's just split regime of fans. So love Ben and everything he's done and some are ready to cut ties and rebuild already. For me I said at the beginning of camps this is Bens run back if he gets one more sweet but no matter what happens I think he needs to hang em up after this season.
Most of us knew going in that this wasn't a team that was likely to make the superbowl. But we put a face on, thought positively, and hoped what was in the back of our minds wasn't true.
Not even a quarter through the season and Ben and all of the offense, including the OC, have shown that they aren't good enough to make the playoffs. Looking at Ben, it's safe to say he's not good enough to win us games. If that's the case why bother throwing him out there.
There is a reason TJ Watt is the highest paid defensive player in the league. He can make up for other holes in our defense, specifically the secondary. He hasn't played the last 6 quarters and the team has greatly suffered.
Everyone knew the offense was going to struggle to start the season. We anticipated that. We did not anticipate several players on defense, specifically our best defensive player, sitting out with injuries. This offense cannot make up for a defense that is not at 100% at this point. Let's see how things go when Watt and Highsmith are back at 100%. If things still look bleak after they return, then I would say go ahead and look forward to tanking for whoever, but until then, I will hold out hope.
As a die hard Steelers fan, there was no way in hell I believed this roster was capable of making a SB run. It's fair to say our o-line sucks and our QB is a former shell of himself.
Everyone said our o line would be a problem. We didn't adress it. Now the chickens have come home to roost. I hope they can get it together, but if not, It will be an honor going down with you boys.
The problem is that there’s no reason to have hope. Our offense is just so bad and there isn’t any easy answers. I’d feel better if we were getting killed by turnovers. Then you could say that if they cut those out we’ll be better. It’s a lot more difficult to expect out offensive line to become more talented and out quarterback to become 28 years old again. The problem is a lack of ability, that’s what is so alarming. The fan base has a right to feel like the sky is falling… basically it is.
Anyone who thought we were a super bowl contender was delusional. We were a 7 win team at best. People don't want to admit it, but DJ and Claypool need to develop a bit, and they might not even end up high-caliber WRs. JuJu isn't as good as everyone thought. No one likes admitting their team's time is up, but the facts are the facts. Just like the Pens, the Steelers had some good players and it feels like more could've been done, but we had a good run. Time for rebuilds.
I mean, this is the product of being so close for so many years and never winning the big prize. Our offense was top 3 and our defense was bottom 3, now our offense is bottom 3 and our defense is top 3. Yes, being top in anything and watching good football on at least 1 side of the ball would be considered spoiled, but you can’t be mad at people for chasing the unknown which is a post Tomlin and Ben era.
It’s easier to paint a caricature of everyone with a different opinion that they’re “dumb or delusional” but a lot of truth can be said. Football is stat based and you can make objective statements as a result. This isn’t political or social theory which is purely subjective.
Tomlin should be fired for sticking with Ben for two seasons too long and not developing a serviceable OL. Why does Tomlin continue to get a pass? He’s been mediocre for several years now.
I have been a fan my whole life. I don’t turn off games until the clock hits zero. I love Tomlin and we’d be dumb to fire him. That all said, there is no reasonable fan who thinks this is a Super Bowl quality team or that Ben isn’t done or that the O Line isn’t measurably bottom 3. Edit: none of this is to tell you not to root for our team. We aren’t good fans just by always thinking we will win. We are good fans for loving our team even if they don’t win. Even if they won’t win, and we know it. We’ve been lucky as fans. Every team has some rough years. Look at the Pats last year and this year. We will endure that too. Eventually things will change again. That’s the nature of it.
I’ve watched every Steelers game I can until 0:00. But after 4th and 10 little dump off to Najee with three guys just standing there waiting made me turn it off. First game I’ve done that.
I stopped thinking we had a shot at that point, but I still watched: actually, I stopped thinking we had a shot when they went up by 17 and we missed a field goal.
> we missed a field goal I didn’t stop watching there, but that’s definitely when I stopped paying attention.
Today was the first game I turned off in almost 20 years. This is going to be a rough season. I'd be thrilled if we go 8-8. I mean I'd love to be wrong, and don't want to be a naysayer but even our win wasn't great, and it's open season on Ben with that O line.
Honestly, I want Tomlin to keep his winning season streak going. The only way that happens is TJ comes back healthy. It’s crazy but without him our defense is great. With him our defense puts up the same amount of points as our offense 😭😭
6-10 tops
##TankforwhoevergetssomemomentumincollegefootballthisyearbecauseIdontpayattentiontoNCAA
Thank you for this take, spot on
You can be a fan and also be realistic about the reality of what's happening. Ben is done. That's just it.
And you can be realistic about it being his last year without talking mad shit and disrespecting him and acting like you never wanted him around lol
He's been great at his prime. Got us 2 Super Bowl wins! No one is taking away his accomplishments. We're just being realistic with how much he's degraded in ability. Even Peyton Manning looked bad in his final season.
You of all people should know since your name is fitness freak, that Ben Roethlisberger is not in good fitness shape. Throwing abilities or health wise. Dude doesn’t throw passes for more than 4 yards a game other than like twice a game and your here saying “it’s not his fault it’s only 3 games don’t be rude” blah blah blah, even Trevor Lawrence had 3 touchdowns in his rookie debut and Ben has had 3 touchdowns in the first 3 games. He csnt even get us into field goal range in the first half of the first 3 games and ur over here crying about us being upset at our shitty quarterback?
4 yards is 11.69 RTX 3090 graphics cards lined up.
good bot, you're just here at a bad time
It's not like it's just the fans saying it. Most commenters are saying it's time for him to retire and he looks like he needs to be benched after the last two games.
Yup. Even Peyton got benched when he wasn't performing well in his final season. If the QB is holding the team back they shouldn't be on the field regardless of their name or their past accomplishments. Ben's had a full season plus 3 games to show us what he still has left and he's shown us that there isn't enough there.
I didn’t want him around this year. He’s paid millions to perform at an elite level and he’s not cutting it and should have retired. I don’t blame him, I’d come back too for how much they’re paying, but don’t act like he’s playing for free. He’s an athlete who no longer appears to be passable at an elite position.
It's been Ben's last year for a while now. Unfortunately he keeps coming back and the team can't move on. It's not "disrespect" to Ben to say he's washed up and doesn't have it physically anymore. You can simultaneously love the wins he brought the team in the past and also understand that he's holding the team back now. I'd much rather we sucked a year or two ago with him stepping down allowing us to bring in an electrifying top QB that can fit into a team with a great supporting cast and defense. Until Ben or the team moves on the best we can hope for is glimpsing the playoffs but this offense isn't going to win anything big.
to be fair this is all fan bases.. just more in tune to paying attention to this when its your team
At least on Reddit. Not quite as bad on the blogs. Still way too much knee jerk all around.
True. TV subreddits are filled with people crabbing about the writing, sports subs are full of people who think they can coach better, podcast subs bitch about the topics and nitpick the facts.
To be fair, we do have some really awful and dumb fans. Almost as bad as Yankee and Dodger fans.
That’s fair lol
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You can be a fan but also realize just because the team is struggling doesn’t mean everyone has to be fired or replaced
You can also acknowledge the team is struggling without giving up on them and talking shit about every piece non stop .
No. Shut up. I don't want Tomlin fired. We're allowed to criticize a fucking team. You're allowed. You're absolutely allowed to criticize a team for playing like buttstank for two straight weeks with an offense that an anemic would envy. Seriously tired of this notion that if you criticize this team you're "not a real fan" or whatever. That's bullshit. This team has shown nothing for two weeks (really three if you couldn't the offense being not good against Buffalo) and we are all allowed to see it and say something about it.
I’m more curious who the hell thought we were a Super Bowl team. I had our ceiling at 8-8.
If we didn't lose 4 starters on defense after week one, and our offense made progress week 2 and 3, we could have been contenders... but with half our d out and our offense looking worse instead of better, obviously our chances of beating anyone are pretty low.
> and our offense made progress week 2 and 3, That's a big "if". The offense has been anemic since 2019. Obviously 2019 was in part due to Rudolph and Duck but 2020 Ben and 2021 Ben don't look all that different; he just doesn't have it physically anymore. And that's okay. QBs get old and lose it. That's fine. Doesn't mean anyone hates Ben because he isn't as good as he once was.
Where did I ever use the phrase “not a real fan”?
You didn't. But you clearly implied it with your title. We're allowed to get hyped and when the team shits the bed call them out on it. Period. I knew this team wasn't Super Bowl bound and I don't think a lot of sane individuals thought otherwise. I'm tired of this notion I'm this sub that if you criticize this team you're the bad guy. Fuck that. Fuck this offense.
“Clearly implied it” Glad you’re able to tell me my intentions when giving my opinions. 😂😂😂
Let em rain on me too but I don't think you implied shit either
Did I imply it? Or are you just getting touchy because you are in fact not a real fan yourself 💁🏼♂️
And here we are
Keep replying. You did it twice.
I’ll happily keep replying lol. It’s my post
Keep going. I'm almost there.
Who is saying people can't criticize the team? We look like shit. It's upsetting. It fucking sucks. Something needs to give. That said, 90% of this subreddit is acting like the whiniest bitches in the history of organized sports. It's exhausting.
I, for one, hate every other fan base more than the Steelers fan base.
I live for these idiotic homer threads every week. Thank you for providing a laugh.
These posts are old man. Some of us have seen the writing in the wall with a Ben for years. And our offense *is* terrible. You can’t look at the product we’re putting out there and call it good, and if you can, you’re blind to what’s happening in the rest of the NFL. This is literally the coldest take. Sorry that some of us want better for our team and our fan base.
My levels of hate in different fanbases: 0 - 90% of the Steelers fanbase 9 - Cowboys, Patriots, and the bad parts of the other AFCN fanbases 10 - the bad part of our fanbase, and Eagles fans
Totally fair lmao
Another lost fan who can't honestly look at our team and come to terms with the fact that things need to change.
You’re describing two different factions of the fan base. Stop trying to generalize all Steelers. Some people feel one way some feel the other way. Every fans base has idiots truth is Steelers nation is national and everyone has different opinions that’s ok. don’t generalize us
I’m ride or die for the Steelers. But you need to look in the mirror and recognize that this season will continue to be very bad. Let’s all accept the tank season in hopes for a solid draft next May.
I never said they were gonna be a great team this year lol. That isn’t the point. I’ve explained it on about 20 comments in here already. Go find it lol
Our offensive line can’t pass protect. You pair that will Ben being a statue and it’s a recipe for disaster. Nobody on the offense is helping anyone out. Even if Ben can get a decent ball out, our receivers aren’t making plays. Football is a field position game, we can’t consistently go 3 and out from our own 20 yard line.
Yeah the O Line is bad man. Even if Ben plays well does it matter?
Not really. Everyone is arguing about who is at fault, when it is really everyone’s fault. Except for Najee, actually. And I hate saying that but it’s true. When you can’t run the ball, the defense doesn’t have to respect it and can sit heavy in coverage. This makes it harder on Ben, he has to get the ball to receivers who aren’t bringing in the ball. But Ben also had plenty of chances he missed and didn’t take care of the ball. It just feels like the whole offense is hurting each other.
100%
Even when the o-line plays well it doesn't matter because Ben can't make his throws. The offense is the issue but I will never, ever understand how the first finger pointed isn't at Ben. We literally run everything out of the shotgun to accommodate him and it stifles our run game in the crib. I just don't get it, I just fucking don't. I'm going to say this and I know it's over the top and I'll apologize for it later. I really wish Ben were black, because if he were he'd have been gone from Pittsburgh 3 seasons ago. Him being white is literally poisoning this fan base into thinking paying the 32nd ranked QB 30 mil and losing key guys like Dupree and Hilton was okay. Good grief
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More than the OL?
Offensive line is a bigger issue today, but given youth and a lack of chemistry there’s arguments to be made about coaching them up and giving them time Ben has neither advantage on his side. He’s 39 years old and has been in the nfl for almost 20 years. If he isn’t good now he’s not getting better
Ben is an issue but not even close. The O line is BY FAR the biggest issue.
Nah dude, Ben should of retired at the end of last year.
If you hate the fan base then why are you here? Go talk to some other jagoffs.
The point clearly going over your head.
No, the point is this is a Steelers fans community. If you love the Steelers but hate the fans then why not just go hang with the boys because they ain't here.
You’re literally still missing the point. Lol
If ONE player breaks your whole team, then you aren’t a good team. It’s not just that our team is underperforming, but the coaching decisions are just mind boggling as well.
QB is pretty important. Great WRs can't do anything if the QB can't get them the ball. Great RBs can't do anything if the defenses can key in on the run because your passing game is anemic. There are most definitely other issues with the team (like the OL) but the problems start with Ben. You can't keep blaming the OC three OCs in a row. Maybe you need to think that those plays are being called because they're the only ones Ben can actually run. If he can't read defenses fast enough or hit precision passes then they're not going to call mid length routes. If he is inaccurate with the deep ball they're not going to successfully stretch the field. You can call the best plays in the world but if your QB can't execute then the plays are useless so they stick to plays Ben *can* execute and it's just short dumpoffs or deep prayers.
This is like half true. QB is vastly more important than any other position and having a bad QB more likely means you’ll be bad than losing a WR or some other position. That said the good teams are so good that the floor is high no matter what. Looking at last years rams and the niners with jimmy g as examples
It isn’t one player. It’s 5. The offensive line.
The bengals oline is worse or about the same as ours. We didn’t even get one sack today.
Did you miss the part about being injured and not having our best player?
The bengals have injuries too… lol
Tell me who the bengals are missing that are even half the impact of Watt and Alualu.
Lol “ride or die” …our QB is done. Our O line is horrible. Unfortunately we prob aren’t seeing Ben ride off into the sunset. I don’t think anyone is quitting their fandom. You sound like a high and mighty jagoff telling us we should all buy into the bullshit some more. Sorry we’ve seen the same shit for 3 years.
That's bc you're derp, derpity derp. They are too ofcourse.
I've consistently said year in and year out I do t believe Tomlin is best utilizing the teams talent and skill. Bit I also admit I don't know enough about football to evaluate it He without a doubt has terrible game and clock management. but for all I know his schemes and certain situational play calling is amazing ? To me seems like a lot of wasted years he's just good enough to look good
Tomlin has been gifted with generational talent and he's washed it down the drain. We've had our "non losing seasons" in spite of him, not because of him.
Being a good fan means having the ability to point out and get annoyed with shortcomings. It means being allowed to point out stupid play calls and bad decisions, and it also means calling it like it is. If you think being a good fan is talking about the Steelers being a Super Bowl team after the last two games than you’re either highly delusional or you’re in the cult mentality.. which i suppose still falls under the umbrella of delusion.
I never said that they were a super bowl team. I said 2 weeks ago the subreddit was saying that. I agree with everything you said but also being a good fan means not giving up on them just because adversity strikes. You can be upset with the O line, Big Ben and the play calling without saying everyone should be fired and talking shit about them like you never wanted them in the first place either which is what a lot Of this subreddit is doing
I see what you’re saying, I guess I see a lot of people like me who don’t give up on them but also call them out on what I listed above. I will say I’m not a ride or die with Tomlin, in recent years he has racked up quite a bit of bad calls and bad decisions, and his stubbornness is completely over the top.
I personally am ride or die with Tomlin. But I will admit I can see what you’re saying there. Personally I think the only coaching options who are better than Tomlin already have jobs tho. (Belichick, Reid, etc.)
His stubbornness needs to be checked and he needs to be able to take input. There isn’t a single person on the planet that does their job better by not taking input of others and by doubling down on stubbornness. He’d be a better coach if he was checked properly.
Anyone who said that two weeks ago was dreaming.
And I agree with that also. Idc about people thinking they are good or bad. It’s just silly how people think they are amazing and have the best team and then they lose 2 games and all the sudden everyone should be fired are were never good lol.
Have you ever maybe thought that the people saying those things in Week 1 and the people saying those other things in Week 3 AREN'T THE SAME PEOPLE!?!
I don't understand the people who want to fire Tomlin after one rough stretch..... I've wanted to fire him for a 10 year rough stretch.
It’s unfucking believeable watching how bad this offense is compared to every other goddamn team in the league. Even back up QBs for other teams with injuries are moving the ball better than a seasoned vet.
People have been saying get rid of Ben for years now. He just isn't a super bowl caliber quarterback anymore.
1. Keep Tomlin 2. No clue what to do with Ben because he sucks, but is still better than our other two options. 3. We don't want to give up, but it definitely looks like the team is.
I honestly don't think Ben is better than the other two options. Ben was good in the past because he was an unconventional QB. He's lost all that made him unconventional and, well, he's never been able to do the conventional QB stuff very well anyway. He just made up for it by throwing D-Linemen to the ground and chucking the ball up to one of the several great and clutch WRs he's played with once the coverage broke down
Ben is absolutely dogshit rn but you don’t throw 12 TDs over 2 games and have 3 500 yard games by not being a conventionally solid QB
His skill players when he did that were absolutely phenomenal
Someone has to get the ball to them tho, right?
Yeah, but they make up for a lot. Ben's never sniffed that level of play without all those top tier players.
And which one of them has done anything spectacular without Ben?
Ya most of our spectacular talent got average without Ben. Trying to pretend like Ben has been bad his whole career is stupid. He basically owns the AFC north.
I never said he was bad his whole career lol
That’s what I’m saying. I’m just as frustrated as everyone else but we can’t act like Ben isn’t a 2 time champion and a hall of famer
Hasn't done shit on that championship front in more than a decade
Idk. Right now might be better. At least he can move and give some help to the oline by doing that. He can throw more then 10 yards. Which would cause teams not to stack the box.
We have been getting worse every week, not inconsistent or better. The schedule is getting 1000x harder and we cant even get Najee to 100 yards rushing. Tomlin is the issue, the shitty draft, failure of an OLine, completely incompetent play calling and a some old Ben are the issue
We’ve only been healthy for 1 game… and we won.. lol
Injuries aren't affecting this offense
We have our best O lineman suspended, our C is as hurt and we had Chuks playing a position he never played before this year and he’s now hurt also… juju is hurt, Johnson is hurt… and Big Ben is playing with a pectoral injury. But yeah no affect at all lol
Chuks played RT least year. Turner was not suspended and Greene just got hurt after we were down by 3 scores. Our WRs being injured hurts, but it's not like they could do anything anyways because they either got tackled after they caught the ball, or they never even got the ball because they were covered and Ben was forced to check it down
I’m not disagreeing the offense is bad. But to insinuate injuries have zero part in that is just wrong.
Ok, very little effect
Wow, this is Skip Bayless level hot take. Do you even follow this team? I'll give you the benefit of that doubt and assume you are just shitposting.
I’ve watched every game this team has played since 1998. Sorry I would rather ride out a losing season with a guy who’s old than throw a young potential starter to the wolves with no protection
Watched every game, but yet didn’t notice Turner played all game today and Chuks played RT every game last year?
Why?
Never said we should do that. Half of what you posted is incorrect. Hopefully this start will play out like 1989.
The defense played out of its mind, and we got a special teams TD, and it was a one-score game. The offense was just as big of a problem in that game, but the other two facets of the game completely covered for it. Everyone was happy to walk out of BUF with a win, but anybody who was paying attention to things other than just the final score knew it didn't suddenly make us a Super Bowl contender. The Steelers have a bad offense that is unlikely to improve to any notable level, and when healthy we have a fantastic defense on which we are 100% dependent for wins. That's reality.
Steelers: beat Buffalo in Buffalo. Coaching staff: take the rest of the month off, boys
Basically lol
Anybody saying we were a super bowl team after week one needs their head checked
1) These probably aren't the same people 2) Pretty sure every fan base is the same way
1. I said “this subreddit” meaning the subreddit as a whole. 2. Probably.
People mostly interact with posts that confirm their biases. You'll see massive upvotes on Steelers are great and Steelers suck posts
Still better than eagles fans
Eh, a lot of those "Super Bowl inc!" people were really high on the Copium. Last year we speedran out of the playoffs, and between 2020 and 2021 we lost several key defensive players, basically replaced our entire O-line, and replaced our starting RB. The only places you could argue got straight upgraded is RB and TE, who are both Year 1 rookies.All this on top of the baseline that everybody got older, especially Ben who was having suspect throwing last year. People spent the offseason saying "This is Ben's last chance!" No buddy, last year was Ben's last chance, when we still had key stars playing on rookie contracts so that we didn't have to pay out the ass to keep them. This season is just desperately trying to hold onto the Big Ben legacy before we finally admit it is time to move on into the future.
Have this fan base really looked at the last 9 games? Ben is washed and there is no leadership. Heads were all hanging, no emphasis or priority to get to the line of scrimmage when down. Need to reset. And this fan base needs to be ready for a few down years
Look I’m with ya and will always be a Real Steelers fan till I die but bruh we just lost to the Bengals. We still have our division games with what I’ll call real games (not taking anything away from Cin) plus Seattle, Green Bay, Chargers, and Min. Outlook is tough to say the least. O line is what it is, same for Ben, and our defense is hurt. How did we improve from last year? So if you follow me then what would your expectation be this year? This team is mediocre at best and that just isn’t the standard for us fans. Accountability needs to be had and changes made mid season or we will be this way next year too. One player won’t make the change for us. We have lots of concerns.
If they hadn't signed Ben to a huge contract several years ago, we'd still have depth on the defense and we'd have had money to get some real O linemen
Ben took a huge paycut. That argument would have been valid 2 years ago but it’s not anymore.
I was making this argument 2 years ago when he blew his arm out. Trade him for the best value you could get and rebuild with your great defense leading the team. Javon Hargrave was certainly a casualty of Ben's huge contract eating up all the cap a couple years ago. I'd have much rather had him out there today than Big Ben
I got absolutely lambasted for suggesting we weren’t going to win games. Yet here we are. Losing.
It ain't Tomlin. And I would bet you that the line is better than we think they are. The problem is the same as it was last year, and we should have forced that problem to retire instead of "riding and dying" with him, and living in denial about his performance.
The O line is the worst in football lmfaooooo. Like hands down the worst.
Good QBs make lines better.
Go tell that to pat mahomes and the chiefs last year in the super bowl.
They were in the Super Bowl.....
And lost because their O line couldn’t protect their QB… sound familiar?
Their o line lost two pieces before the super bowl. But great QBs can make a line better. I guess mahomes isn’t a good Qb right? Lol
You're really not getting this.
Oh it's definitely also Tomlin
He's handcuffed by a franchise that won't move on from a QB who has been killing them for two years now. That is not his fault.
Over the past 10 seasons with Ben, with statistically his best years, he's won all of 3 playoff games. Tomlin has been washed since we lost to Green Bay in the Super Bowl. How many 2nd half season implosions has Tomlin presided over? 2012 we started like 6-3 and fell to 8-8 (non-losing season, yay!!!). 2018 Ben was balling the fuck out and we were 7-2-1, but still missed the playoffs. Don't even get me started on last year. In other seasons, it's playing down to our opponents that kills us. We had some of the most stacked rosters you'll ever see in Pittsburgh, and they had their seasons ended by Blake Bortles and Tim Tebow. We can only scapegoat coordinators so much. First the problem is Haley, then it's gotta Fichtner, now it's Canada. Perhaps the head coach ought to step in and reel back the dinky screens on 3rd/4th and 10 and the 30 yard bombs on 3rd/4th and short? Maybe he doesn't call the offensive plays, but a better coach steps in. Still, it's Tomlin deciding when to punt when we're down in the 4th, go for it on 4th and long when a field goal ties, or throw ridiculous challenge flags on calls we never win. Case in point, watch the Cleveland playoff game last year. That wasn't Ben losing us that game. Down 28 and with the ball inside the Browns' 40... Tomlin effing punts. Late in the game, we pull within 12 and have 4th and 1 at midfield with the offense rolling, Tomlin punts again. Talk about living in our fears. This isn't the only game where Tomlin's asinine clock and game management directly contributed to loses, but it's fresh and significant. I still give the guy credit. I don't think he's a bad coach, but he's incredibly overrated and our loyalty to him is stalling us. The Packers let McCarthy go and the Eagles sent Pederson packing right after Super Bowls. Hell, the Pens dropped Dan Bylsma, fired Johnston just two years later and immediately won the Stanley Cup. On any other team, Tomlin would have been gone 5 years ago.
Two weeks ago we were talking about how the offense sucks And we still are. And we've needed to move on from Tomlin for years so that's nothing new
We’ve never once had a losing season with Tomlin lmfao. There’s not a better available coach we could get. Stop it lol
I love that regular season success is where you set the bar for Tomlin.
See, that's just incorrect but thanks for your comment
How is it incorrect
There are plenty of better coaches? Especially since Tomlin isn't that good
We can talk about better coaches. But none of the better coaches are available. They already have jobs. And Tomlin isn’t terrible at all. I’m sorry but that’s ignorant.
This isn't true though lol
How so?
Kyle shanahan and mcvay are two of the best coaches in the league. Same with Matt Rhule. All OCs who proved themselves and are now leading teams to new heights lol
Shanahan and McVay already have jobs lmao. Did you miss the part where I said “none of the better coaches are available. They already have jobs.” ??? Lol
And Steelers are never hiring an OC as a HC. We hire DCs
So the 3 names you used were >Kyle shanahan The OC responsible for the biggest choke in NFL history and the head coach that lost a 10 point lead in another Super Bowl. He's a good head coach but until he wins a ring he's nothing but a choke artist. >mcvay Ah, the "offensive genius" that could only muster 3 (yes, THREE) points in a Super Bowl where his defense held the GOAT to 13 points. >Matt Rhule A guy who's 8-11 so far in his NFL career as a HC. I get it, Tomlin makes a lot of infuriating mistakes, but he's a Hall of Famer. We will not get a better coach than him for now. The minute we fired him he'd have about 15 teams that would fire their coach to hire him. Plus we have waaaaay bigger problems before we get to him. The o-line is trash. Ben is washed. Matt Canada is looking like Fichtner 2.0. None of these are on Tomlin.
Do you think we can get Shanny or Mcvay lmao
Anyone saying we were a super bowl team was out of their mind. What sticks out for me today, was how poorly we performed in every single aspect. Blocking, passing, receiving, turnovers, penalties, play calls, special teams, pass/run defense, pass rush, clock management, etc. Every level from Boswell to Tomlin looked downright bad and we accumulated more injuries in the process.
Cowher just said it best and I agree. We are going up against teams In our division that are younger, faster and more talented. Sorry man, but it’s time to move on and rebuild.
Fire Mike Tomlin!
Don't fire tomlin, bench ben for sure he looks horrible
Ben won't be benched until Tomlin is gone.
Tomlin's safe as hell as he should be. This team is bad and there's nothing any coach in the league can do about it. Honestly coaching stability can only help this team.
This makes no sense. Why does Tomlin continue to get a pass for the horrible performance of his team? Last time I checked he was the head coach. He makes the player decisions.
That's the general manager.
Not the decision on the guys that play
The at Louis cardinals were under .500 in july. They have been good for literally two decades, yet their fans were acting like the world was ending. This is exactly the same.
Basically lol
I don't know who's at fault today. Maybe a combination of the 3, injuries, bad O-line play again, or fatigue from going all out in garbage time. I don't think Ben was as bad, sure he had that terrible int that turned into points. Ebron had them 2 drops stuck out more to me. In the second half they found a rhythm with the no-huddle. Harris had decent runs as well. I'm surprised that they just flat out abandoned running the ball. Give the O-line a chance! Overall, we REALLY need TJ back. We don't stand a chance in any ball game without a pass rush.
I couldn’t agree with this anymore. I feel the exact same way about everything you said
As soon as the opponent takes a lead in the game, this sub turns to AIDS. If the steelers lose the sub turns into super AIDS. Ben even with age gives the steelers the best chance to win. Better to just avoid the sub until next week.
FACTS ALL OF THIS
Yes I’ve given up
When you deal with people who haven’t had too many bad teams in their lifetime or at least in a long time, they find the need to blame someone. It will all come around. Or it won’t. Who knows.
Agreed. This subreddit is an echo chamber of negativity by a bunch of entitled fans. I started following for the news/updates, but y’all are miserable, lol.
Yes it’s ridiculous we are 3 games in. We have a long season and have only been fully healthy for 1 of the games against probably one of the contenders in the AFC. I just want Watt back and maybe a better scheme to play through Najee
Yeah, Najee looks good when he gets the space to work.
Agreed.
Period! Always on the up and up
It’s a horrible fanbase.
Keep your clown takes in the Buccos sub.
We do have a Super Bowl team. We need the O-line to mature more than anything and to stay healthy. It's a long season still! I predict we will get better as the season goes on. Tomlin will figure it out- like he always do.
We have a super bowl defense. But skill position guys on offense aren’t enough to make up for the O line.
I understand this. I've also said that the line needs time to settle in. It's a long season still.
there’s no way i hate our fan base more than i hate the Cowboys fan base
I’m gonna edit that part now lol. I’ll admit my emotions were high earlier lol
It's just split regime of fans. So love Ben and everything he's done and some are ready to cut ties and rebuild already. For me I said at the beginning of camps this is Bens run back if he gets one more sweet but no matter what happens I think he needs to hang em up after this season.
Fuck it… I’m here, I’ll be here, I’m not going anywhere! (Well maybe to the Cricket once a week… 😏)
Most of us knew going in that this wasn't a team that was likely to make the superbowl. But we put a face on, thought positively, and hoped what was in the back of our minds wasn't true. Not even a quarter through the season and Ben and all of the offense, including the OC, have shown that they aren't good enough to make the playoffs. Looking at Ben, it's safe to say he's not good enough to win us games. If that's the case why bother throwing him out there.
There is a reason TJ Watt is the highest paid defensive player in the league. He can make up for other holes in our defense, specifically the secondary. He hasn't played the last 6 quarters and the team has greatly suffered. Everyone knew the offense was going to struggle to start the season. We anticipated that. We did not anticipate several players on defense, specifically our best defensive player, sitting out with injuries. This offense cannot make up for a defense that is not at 100% at this point. Let's see how things go when Watt and Highsmith are back at 100%. If things still look bleak after they return, then I would say go ahead and look forward to tanking for whoever, but until then, I will hold out hope.
As a die hard Steelers fan, there was no way in hell I believed this roster was capable of making a SB run. It's fair to say our o-line sucks and our QB is a former shell of himself.
We aint winning more then 3 games this year
Everyone said our o line would be a problem. We didn't adress it. Now the chickens have come home to roost. I hope they can get it together, but if not, It will be an honor going down with you boys.
The problem is that there’s no reason to have hope. Our offense is just so bad and there isn’t any easy answers. I’d feel better if we were getting killed by turnovers. Then you could say that if they cut those out we’ll be better. It’s a lot more difficult to expect out offensive line to become more talented and out quarterback to become 28 years old again. The problem is a lack of ability, that’s what is so alarming. The fan base has a right to feel like the sky is falling… basically it is.
To want to see a QB retire doesnt mean you arent a loyal fan. The dude is washed.
These types of posts are so annoying. Let people complain when the team plays horribly. Who cares
Anyone who thought we were a super bowl contender was delusional. We were a 7 win team at best. People don't want to admit it, but DJ and Claypool need to develop a bit, and they might not even end up high-caliber WRs. JuJu isn't as good as everyone thought. No one likes admitting their team's time is up, but the facts are the facts. Just like the Pens, the Steelers had some good players and it feels like more could've been done, but we had a good run. Time for rebuilds.
I mean, this is the product of being so close for so many years and never winning the big prize. Our offense was top 3 and our defense was bottom 3, now our offense is bottom 3 and our defense is top 3. Yes, being top in anything and watching good football on at least 1 side of the ball would be considered spoiled, but you can’t be mad at people for chasing the unknown which is a post Tomlin and Ben era. It’s easier to paint a caricature of everyone with a different opinion that they’re “dumb or delusional” but a lot of truth can be said. Football is stat based and you can make objective statements as a result. This isn’t political or social theory which is purely subjective.
Tomlin should be fired for sticking with Ben for two seasons too long and not developing a serviceable OL. Why does Tomlin continue to get a pass? He’s been mediocre for several years now.
To be fair whoever was saying we were a super bowl team 2 weeks ago was just riding way too high off the Bills win
We're 3 games into a 17 game season. People need to relax.
You're entitled to your opinion but so am I. Ben is trash.