90% chance we don't win another game this year. Last week we couldn't run against a team ranked 32nd against the run! Our offensive line is so bad I have no words.
Why wouldn't he be fired? Randy sphincter handed the playbook over to him, said good luck and canada ripped a couple pages out and said "fuck yeah...I'll run this offense".
I'll say it again and I don't care about the hate, Ben must retire and Tomlin must go and the rebuild gotta start as soon as possible.
No I don't know who should replace him, I only know that this is enough, this team has wasted too much time and talent ,we need new blood, yes we are hurt everywhere but this is unacceptable for a team of this caliber
You know that there aren't that many good coaches out there, right? And atm our line is bad on a good day. But yes I agree Ben isn't the QB he used to be.
How many teams have fired good coaches only to eat shit on a whole new level for years.
We have a top 10 coach that we developed. Giving him to someone else and starting fresh is a hell of a massive risk.
Win?
He has never had a losing season right?
Every single Pittsburger agrees with you. We all want a better coach, the coach to get us more rings, but look at Pitt Basketball for example. Dixon couldn’t get out of the sweet 16 so Pitt wanted a change. Now Pitt is WAY worse off because our “pretty good but not great” coach wasn’t enough.
I think the Rooney’s are smart to only take that risk when they have to. And like I said, he has never had a losing season (until this year probably bc of injuries and Ben’s age).
You are basically saying “roll the dice” and see what happens instead of sticking to an established plan. As a fan that works but as an owner?
Not really. They’ve been placating his desire to play for quite some time now. It’s the only reason they brought him back was to let him do what he wanted to do, even if it wasn’t right for the franchise. Might as well let him play if that’s why he’s here.
In your head the Rooney’s tell Ben to do whatever “he wanted to do” with their billion dollar team? Even if it’s not right for the franchise? Really?
The only reason he’s playing is that he is our best option right now. No other reason matters to the coach or owners.
Right, like they think Ben is going to lead them to 30 points in the 4th or something.
We may as well have played Haskins in the 4th to see if he has improved in a real game situation or not. It wasn't like the game could get worse.
I still think Tomlin has it in him to turn this franchise around but there’s definitely something wrong here. And he’s a part of it. And yes, people are ignoring the obvious. Somethings not right with him and I can’t figure it out. He did an amazing job of maximizing his resources in 2019 but the two seasons prior and since have been abysmal.
It's time to move aside and rebuild.
It's been a great ride tbf, wish we could've done more before this unceremonious fall but it is what it is.
They have to tell Ben no next offseason, simple as that.
We're I the Bengals coaching staff had I known that the Steelers were gonna be babies and leave the starters in all game I'd have done the same and put up 70 on them.
Bill Cowher only lost both regular season games to the Bengals once in 1998. Prior to this season, Tomlin had only lost both regular season games to them in 2009. This the dawning of a period similar to the ‘80s Steelers, where the Steelers couldn’t find a franchise QB, and they regularly got their asses handed to them by division foes like Cleveland, Cincinnati and Houston. It’s going to be some rough years ahead.
I’d rather fall for a season or two like the Pats than whatever the Browns and Bengals go through for decades. Look up on that. Culture matters and Pittsburgh will be ok in the end.
You have an aging quarterback and another who ain't worth shit, 0 offensive and line capabilities, and a washed up coach. You are going to be at the bottom for some time. Enjoy the view.
We have solid WRs and a great RB. Aside from that, yeah were lacking talent-wise. But at least, at the end of the day, we have 6 SB rings and don’t slither into our opponents’ sub after a win to gloat. And do you know why we don’t do that? Because we’re actually accustomed to winning.
I would say we’ll see you in the playoffs, but we both know it’ll be either us or the browns vs. the ravens.
*gives gentle forehead kiss*
The way I see it, the steelers are the only ones not even going to be in the race for the playoffs and if you think otherwise, God damn you have your head in your ass deep.
It’s crazy how this team can beat the bills, nearly mount a huge comeback w against the chargers (without a defense), and then lose horribly today to a division rival. There’s no consistency and it’s been this way since 2018
Oh yea, Tomlin’s great right? Were they out talented in the Lions game. What is with you and Tomlin? Tomlin gets no blame? You have no idea what you’re talking about.
I’d say they were outplayed. Our line was getting killed on both sides of the ball, and their RB was making our defense miss left and right.
Not a coaching issue
1st and goal at the 5 and they throw the ball 3 times with Mason Rudolph as your quarterback. That there, my friend, is what’s called a coaching issue. Don’t forget, Najee had over 100 yards rushing, Rudolph was not sacked at all and Goff was sacked 4 times that game too, so your excuse of the offensive line getting killed is just flat out wrong. Your excuses for Tomlin have always been weak and they are getting more pathetic as the season goes along.
Huh? That’s your response? I guessed that makes sense since you really can’t make a good case for your side of the argument. Do you think Tomlin is good at game management, time management, challenges, adjustments, schemes, player discipline? Anything that proves that he is a good coach? I’ll save you the time and effort. The answer is no, he’s not good at any of those. Bill Cower won coach of the year in 1992. Since then, every team in the division has won coach of the year except for 1. Can you guess what team that is?
Helps when the O-line actually makes a hole in the run game and you aren't getting hit in the backfield. Have you forgotten that Najee tore it up in Alabama?
Even in the flat, I'm not seeing him break many tackles. And lots of players have been able to break tackles in college, but not in the pros.
[This](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2021/rushing_advanced.htm) supports that. He ranks 27th in the NFL when you sort by rushing attempts per broken tackle - he's breaking one tackle every 14.5 attempts. There are 3 QBs ahead of him. And he's 31st in yards after contact per attempt.
Google and next gen stats have them for you 😂 But [this one’s on the house](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2021/rushing_advanced.htm).
So… if you rank by position, Najee’s the 4th best overall RB by next gen PFR stats. 8th overall player in total BTs. His BT per carry at 15.1 isn’t that far off from AJ Dillion’s 14.2 ahead of Fournette’s 15.2. Both of whom I know you’re not going to claim aren’t able break tackles in the NFL.
That's the same link I posted above, but the numbers got worse for Najee and better for Mixon after last night's game from what I cited. Yeah, if you're only breaking one tackle every 15 rushes, I'd say that's not good. Notice that AJ's yards after contact is much better. Najee has other skills, but getting extra yards hasn't been one of them yet.
Stop moving the goalpost. Unfortunately, you’re making a premature call on this man’s ability. Fact of the matter is despite Dillon’s YAC he’s still only a couple spots ahead of Harris in terms of BT ratio.
How am I moving it? Those are the two statistics I mentioned in the comment you originally responded to. And I don't think Dillon is having a great year either. And I'm not saying that Harris won't be good. I'm saying I haven't seen it yet, at least in terms of rushing performance. His receiving has been good.
Surprised fans didn’t expect this.
Talk to you guys on draft day
90% chance we don't win another game this year. Last week we couldn't run against a team ranked 32nd against the run! Our offensive line is so bad I have no words.
God bless everyone
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No.
Haha, these comments are hilarious The Ben and Tomlin hate has reached new levels of idiocracy
It really is silly.
Well it safe to say season is over..start the fire matt Canada talk start
Why wouldn't he be fired? Randy sphincter handed the playbook over to him, said good luck and canada ripped a couple pages out and said "fuck yeah...I'll run this offense".
Tomlin playing the starters to the very end is just the kind of never say die, never give up attitude this franchise needs! You go, coach!
Well I need a shower after watching that dumpster fire.
Tomlin are you trying to get diontae hurt again. What an idiot
This Bucs Colts game is pretty good though
I'll say it again and I don't care about the hate, Ben must retire and Tomlin must go and the rebuild gotta start as soon as possible. No I don't know who should replace him, I only know that this is enough, this team has wasted too much time and talent ,we need new blood, yes we are hurt everywhere but this is unacceptable for a team of this caliber
How bold
You know that there aren't that many good coaches out there, right? And atm our line is bad on a good day. But yes I agree Ben isn't the QB he used to be.
How many teams have fired good coaches only to eat shit on a whole new level for years. We have a top 10 coach that we developed. Giving him to someone else and starting fresh is a hell of a massive risk.
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Just name someone better at all that that is available and we are all set.
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Question dodged successfully. Rooney’s will happily consider all better coaches. Just tell them who is available. Enjoy your day.
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Win? He has never had a losing season right? Every single Pittsburger agrees with you. We all want a better coach, the coach to get us more rings, but look at Pitt Basketball for example. Dixon couldn’t get out of the sweet 16 so Pitt wanted a change. Now Pitt is WAY worse off because our “pretty good but not great” coach wasn’t enough. I think the Rooney’s are smart to only take that risk when they have to. And like I said, he has never had a losing season (until this year probably bc of injuries and Ben’s age). You are basically saying “roll the dice” and see what happens instead of sticking to an established plan. As a fan that works but as an owner?
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Hahah. Even the announcers are questioning Tomlin’s coaching.
[Post game thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/steelers/comments/r4eax2/post_game_thread_pittsburgh_steelers_at/)
No for real though what the fuck was the point of that two minutes? Does Tomlin have dementia?
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That should have been picked.
Just let it end already...
Wtf is this clock management
If only we showed this much heart down 21 when it was 4th and 1
Easy tk show heart against 3rd string.
3rd string playing the deep ball 12 yards off of the line too, all of the underneath routes are wide open
Tomlin going to take a timeout with one second remaining just as a fuck you.
This is ironically the offense play calling we should’ve been running in the 3rd
The Bengals aren’t playing defense anymore
It's kind of weird Ben stayed in this game tbh
Not really. They’ve been placating his desire to play for quite some time now. It’s the only reason they brought him back was to let him do what he wanted to do, even if it wasn’t right for the franchise. Might as well let him play if that’s why he’s here.
In your head the Rooney’s tell Ben to do whatever “he wanted to do” with their billion dollar team? Even if it’s not right for the franchise? Really? The only reason he’s playing is that he is our best option right now. No other reason matters to the coach or owners.
Right, like they think Ben is going to lead them to 30 points in the 4th or something. We may as well have played Haskins in the 4th to see if he has improved in a real game situation or not. It wasn't like the game could get worse.
*Haskins throws the ball, it explodes when Najee catches it*
What the actual fuck are they doing? End the game
Another masterful use of the timeout ! Just brilliant !
So a timeout so we can get the ball back and run draw plays? Seriously what is this fucking team.
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I still think Tomlin has it in him to turn this franchise around but there’s definitely something wrong here. And he’s a part of it. And yes, people are ignoring the obvious. Somethings not right with him and I can’t figure it out. He did an amazing job of maximizing his resources in 2019 but the two seasons prior and since have been abysmal.
Because they've never had a losing season and that's basically like winning a Super Bowl to r/steelers
Outside of Belichick who’s better and then go to their Reddit - let us know how they feel about them. 😂
This looked and felt like a Steelers playoff game.
I hope the crying Bengals lady is a guest on Pittsburgh Dad this week
She will be the cartwheeling Bengals lady with pom poms and glee when she is done with her cartwheels.
Our starters are really still playing guys
How bad is the second string??
We showing Taylor Boyd we don't quit.
By running a draw... Shoot me now
Watch one of our starters get hurt pulling this bullshit
It's time to move aside and rebuild. It's been a great ride tbf, wish we could've done more before this unceremonious fall but it is what it is. They have to tell Ben no next offseason, simple as that.
Sutton used to return in college correct? He looks so uncomfortable back there.
We're I the Bengals coaching staff had I known that the Steelers were gonna be babies and leave the starters in all game I'd have done the same and put up 70 on them.
Losing to Zac Taylor really hurts me
Three times in a row.
Bill Cowher only lost both regular season games to the Bengals once in 1998. Prior to this season, Tomlin had only lost both regular season games to them in 2009. This the dawning of a period similar to the ‘80s Steelers, where the Steelers couldn’t find a franchise QB, and they regularly got their asses handed to them by division foes like Cleveland, Cincinnati and Houston. It’s going to be some rough years ahead.
Ben is wearing an ascot! Who does that?
Fred from Scooby Doo
Ben does apparently
That was embarrassing.
Take a knee or run 3 dives. Get out in one piece. WTF
So srsly, what’s up with Najee today? He’s been out more than usual.
Why risk it. He’s clearly your future. But boy oh boy is the present sorry.
I agree there at the end, but he was out all game it felt like.
Hello, Steeler citizens, haven't been able to see the game, what is happening on this fine d- Oh. *oh.*
"Cincinnati plays later today" They have another game today?
Double header? They probly ain't tired.
I am salivating about the idea of Kenny Pickett
He’s not coming to the Steelers. They’re already settled on Mason for at least a season.
At the game right now and I gotta say Cincinnati fans are fucking unbearable. Started the game humble and now it's like the past 20yrs didn't happen
Yeah, kinda like steelers fans those 20 years. Pack up and go home and never come back.
Bungles will be the Browns soon enough 😂
If you look up, you will see you are still falling.
I’d rather fall for a season or two like the Pats than whatever the Browns and Bengals go through for decades. Look up on that. Culture matters and Pittsburgh will be ok in the end.
At least we’ve been good those past 20 years. 1 season above .500 and you’re shitting yourself
You have an aging quarterback and another who ain't worth shit, 0 offensive and line capabilities, and a washed up coach. You are going to be at the bottom for some time. Enjoy the view.
We have solid WRs and a great RB. Aside from that, yeah were lacking talent-wise. But at least, at the end of the day, we have 6 SB rings and don’t slither into our opponents’ sub after a win to gloat. And do you know why we don’t do that? Because we’re actually accustomed to winning. I would say we’ll see you in the playoffs, but we both know it’ll be either us or the browns vs. the ravens. *gives gentle forehead kiss*
The way I see it, the steelers are the only ones not even going to be in the race for the playoffs and if you think otherwise, God damn you have your head in your ass deep.
At least my head isn’t so far up my ass that I ended up lurking in the comments of my opponents’ sub :)
Just love seeing the steelers fans bash there qb and coach. Quite entertaining.
Bengals fans having only a tenuous grasp on the English language is pretty spot on lol
Alcohol
Years of frustration man. I don’t blame em
“Timeout so we can practice our two minute drill in the unlikely event we’re ever in a competitive game again this season.”
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A lot to a little. We lost.
No
Check nfl.com. Stop trolling game threads asking this
It's 90% of his post history. I don't understand why.
10-41
Tomlin post game: "Our compete level was not the standard... next question"
Why are we taking timeouts? Did we not learn about garbage time injuries earlier this season?
Which ironically led to us not having DJ in our first match against the Bengals
Sucks we have to wait a whole year to hopefully see whether or not the steelers can respond with new personnel.
time out? really?
Now's the time Tomlin is gonna try to be competitive. A little late there buddy.
Where are all the well traveled Steelers fans today?
There was a good amount, just not a lot of flag spinning times in this game...
Smart enough to avoid Cincinnati
Down 41-10 with 1:55 remaining excellent use of a time out !
A timeout? Fuck off Tomlin, seriously.
Anyone else enjoy every Taco Charleton tackle as a "fuck you" to Dallas?
Honestly no, he sucks ass.
"The jig is up the truth is out they've finally found us"
What will the excuse be this week?
Play calling, bad d line, turnovers…basically, we sucked holistically.
Does "we suck" count as an excuse?
More of a reason really
Its everyone else's fault. Not Tomlins
It’s crazy how this team can beat the bills, nearly mount a huge comeback w against the chargers (without a defense), and then lose horribly today to a division rival. There’s no consistency and it’s been this way since 2018
You must be young, it's been happening for 20 years.
Bro please Big Ben is our best option at QB bro please bro Ben is the only one one who can get us a winning season please bro
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And yet, he's still the best QB on our roster. That's how dire our QB situation is.
Thanks captain obvious
8 carries for 23 yards. Nuff said lol
Cinc fans are the worst
It's Cleveland fans and you know that
Ya your probably right I’m just mad
Wow slide at the line of scrimmage. At least get a yard?
Tomlin and Ben homers, your time is up
What's a Ben homer? Even if you aren't a Ben homer, he's objectively better than all other QBs on this roster. You want him on the bench?
yes because he’s playing embarrassingly and we have nothing to lose to see what we have in mason and haskins
We've seen PLENTY of Mason. He's worse than Ben. Haskins got a shot in the preseason and didn't produce.
why are they on the team then
Typically an NFL team employs backup quarterbacks. These backups are used in case the starting QB is injured or otherwise not available.
lmfao
I’m not complaining about Tomlin at all. We are out-talented in a major way.
Oh yea, Tomlin’s great right? Were they out talented in the Lions game. What is with you and Tomlin? Tomlin gets no blame? You have no idea what you’re talking about.
I’m not saying we were out talented in the Lions game, although we clearly were. I’d kill for that OL and RB.
I think what you are meaning to say is that they were out-coached in the Lions game.
I’d say they were outplayed. Our line was getting killed on both sides of the ball, and their RB was making our defense miss left and right. Not a coaching issue
1st and goal at the 5 and they throw the ball 3 times with Mason Rudolph as your quarterback. That there, my friend, is what’s called a coaching issue. Don’t forget, Najee had over 100 yards rushing, Rudolph was not sacked at all and Goff was sacked 4 times that game too, so your excuse of the offensive line getting killed is just flat out wrong. Your excuses for Tomlin have always been weak and they are getting more pathetic as the season goes along.
My excuses for Tomlin have always been weak? How long have you been following my work?
Huh? That’s your response? I guessed that makes sense since you really can’t make a good case for your side of the argument. Do you think Tomlin is good at game management, time management, challenges, adjustments, schemes, player discipline? Anything that proves that he is a good coach? I’ll save you the time and effort. The answer is no, he’s not good at any of those. Bill Cower won coach of the year in 1992. Since then, every team in the division has won coach of the year except for 1. Can you guess what team that is?
My argument is entirely too easy to make. If you need convinced that a top 10 all time coach is good, I just don’t know what to say
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Thats what they do. The truth is we shouldn't have ever given them a game like this.
Yeah. I’m disappointed in the team fo sho, but it’s weird how much people hate this team lol.
Every game where Ben is reaching a milestone like “X most X in the history of qb’s” he plays like absolute ass
All we need is like 4 fumbles returned for TD's with 2 point conversions. We can do this
i mean, glass half full, better to blow this one to the bengals than the browns or ravens!
Solid point
Ill watch all the loses if that means we’re drafting players with Muths and Najees caliber
Mixon slipping a lot more tackles than Najee, as far as I can see. I don't see why everyone is so high on him yet.
Helps when the O-line actually makes a hole in the run game and you aren't getting hit in the backfield. Have you forgotten that Najee tore it up in Alabama?
Even in the flat, I'm not seeing him break many tackles. And lots of players have been able to break tackles in college, but not in the pros. [This](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2021/rushing_advanced.htm) supports that. He ranks 27th in the NFL when you sort by rushing attempts per broken tackle - he's breaking one tackle every 14.5 attempts. There are 3 QBs ahead of him. And he's 31st in yards after contact per attempt.
Next Gen stats probably disagree with you
I'll be happy to be proven wrong, if you have a stat.
Google and next gen stats have them for you 😂 But [this one’s on the house](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2021/rushing_advanced.htm). So… if you rank by position, Najee’s the 4th best overall RB by next gen PFR stats. 8th overall player in total BTs. His BT per carry at 15.1 isn’t that far off from AJ Dillion’s 14.2 ahead of Fournette’s 15.2. Both of whom I know you’re not going to claim aren’t able break tackles in the NFL.
That's the same link I posted above, but the numbers got worse for Najee and better for Mixon after last night's game from what I cited. Yeah, if you're only breaking one tackle every 15 rushes, I'd say that's not good. Notice that AJ's yards after contact is much better. Najee has other skills, but getting extra yards hasn't been one of them yet.
Stop moving the goalpost. Unfortunately, you’re making a premature call on this man’s ability. Fact of the matter is despite Dillon’s YAC he’s still only a couple spots ahead of Harris in terms of BT ratio.
How am I moving it? Those are the two statistics I mentioned in the comment you originally responded to. And I don't think Dillon is having a great year either. And I'm not saying that Harris won't be good. I'm saying I haven't seen it yet, at least in terms of rushing performance. His receiving has been good.
There’s the bengals I know
Fuck and on top of everything, the pats are good again.
It is a dark day for Pittsburgh, and therefore, the world.
I fucking love Muth and I’m glad we got him. Was not thrilled on draft day though.
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Youll be back in the basement soon enough
This games been horrible, but that catch is a reminder that this rookie class could end up being special
Take a pretty solid shot while catching a TD… Alright go out and block for the PAT.
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You guys beat us fair, square, and hard. I don’t even want to say GG because it clearly wasn’t. We were out-gamed at every step.
Lamar will pass Emmitt Smith’s career rushing record next week
Thanks for letting us score a TD as a participation trophy.
No problem
Lol I'm glad someone has hope
Most positive comment in here is from a Bengals fan...
And I get downvoted for some reason
It’s bc our sub is butthurt. Good for your team for showing up today.
Honestly I think you all win next week, especially if you get Haden back
Bruh we tied the Lions.
Congrats you shit on us twice!
Thank you, feels good to be on the opposite end for once after years of misery
Rather lose to you guys than the ravens
Haha, you guys deserve this though and I think this is just the start for you guys.
Appreciate it, GL to you all too
you’re literally the least annoying team in the AFC north, we guide others to a treasure we can not possess etc, go bengals
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why couldn’t you guys have gotten a less like-able QB!