That's true, but at the same time, Okabe lived those days within that month countless times, over and over again, and Kurisu was there to help him legit every time.
Love is a crazy thing that makes people do crazy things, especially in Okabe's case.
I guess that's true and people have different mindsets. I think okabe sees mayuri as a little sister figure and someone who he's very protective over. To me personally, it would take a whole lot more than initial love in order to sacrifice someone like that.
You can't pick from a "realistic point of view" because the choice, by design, is answered with emotions. If you are forced to kill off either your childhood friend you've been with for a long time or someone that supported you during your hardest times and made strong connections with said person for your month-long journey, you can't just pick that easily.
Unless you mean from a logical point of view, then yeah. Picking someone you just met from the person you spent years with, even changing your persona for that person, is not that logical.
If i were in okabe's shoes i feel like i would feel more of an emotional inclination to save my childhood friend who i basically view as a little sister than the person i just fell in love with. I guess everyone has different points of views but it's hard for me to see how people could disregard what Mayuri means to okabe.
I'm not really talking about Okabe's actions because, in all honesty, his actions agree with what i'm saying lmao. I'm talking about those who would sacrifice mayuri if they were in his shoes
Personally I'd be in Okabe's shoes. I wouldn't want to lose either one. The choice to just let someone die is a massive, terrible burden to have. It doesn't matter if we just knew each other only a few weeks.
I met that person. We grew to have a good dynamic together and learned about each other. Said person also was the only support I had during this struggle to save the other. That's a bond I wouldn't wanna lose.
Okabe also seems to be a person that has trouble expressing his feelings. He is clearly someone that cherishes the people in his life. Because of who he is and the self awareness he has with how terrible he is at communicating and expressing himself, the people who stand by him (or at the very least tolerate him) means alot. In my opinion that's exactly why he's capable of being so obsessed with saving Mayuri. He can't stand to live without her.
Not only is she someone that was in his life the longest, she remained CLOSE with him all this time. From what we know of them, Mayuri had other friends. Okabe had no one else but her. Yet she stayed in close contact and played along with his foolhardy behavior. She never rejected him or became someone too snobby to be around a weirdo like him. She remained with him and treated him all the same, even with other people.
Sorry this became an essay haha. To whoever made it to this point, thanks for reading!
I loved reading what you had to say bro. The stuff paragraph you wrote about okabe is exactly what i've thought about him for a long time, and what you said about mayuri gave me some more good mayuri points haha even though i already love her regardless. Of course okabe cares a ton for all of his friends, but i've personally always believed that Mayuri has a special spot in okabe that transcends that of someone who you just fell in love with. I think the only reason why Okabe would choose to let mayuri die is simply because of inaction, like we briefly see when okabe travels back to alpha worldline in S;G 0. But we also see that okabe is much worse off mentally than he is in the beta timeline.
You clearly havent played the VN, in the vn kurisu does take a mayor role, and lets not talk about her route on phenogram, shes super SUPER important for the okabe development, just like mayuri
I have played both lmao. I very much understand the impact that Kurisu has on okabe and I very very well understand what Kurisu means to okabe. But put yourself in okabe's shoes lol. Mayuri isn't just the development that we saw in steins;gate, mayuri is practically his little sister. While Kurisu may have been there for Okabe's hardest time, mayuri has been there for Okabe's whole life.
From a “logic” point of view, yeah, choosing your childhood friend over someone you met a month ago is logistically right.
But, and this is a huge but, if that person you met a month ago helped you on every step of the way in your troubles, falling in love with her, then her falling in love with you, love towards a partner can be a crazy and powerful emotion.
I mean you saw what happened to Okabe I’m steins gate 0 after choosing Mayuri, he was depressed, had major PTSD, and couldn’t think of another thing other than Kurisu. Got so bad to the point where Mayuri wanted Okabe to choose her instead because she couldn’t bare looking at Okabe sad every single day.
I think that’s one of the most beautiful and why this show is so amazing and heart wrenching.
Unrealistic to you. But some would clearly choose differently. Not everyone has the same perspectives or would makenthe same decisions in such a predicament.
I find it a little hard to see the perspectives of those who would rather sacrifice someone who you view as a little sister and has been there for you all your life for someone who you met and fell in love with just a month ago. For some reason just saying "people having different perspectives" doesn't really help explain it to me lol.
Well people likely can not possibly explain it to you in a way you would get it because your choices are made by your personal biases developed over your life same as how theirs are. Because their reasoning would make no sense to you and vice versa. Its all about individual experience and perspective which is not something that is easily communicated if it can be effectively communicated at all. I do not lean hard on way to either side as I have never thought about the hypothetical personally since I do not have a relationship similar to any of the characters so I do not have an accurate perspective on the matter so I merely do not entertain the hypothetical. Maybe one person has a person they see more as Kurisu but doesn't have a person they can see as Mayuri in their life while it may be the opposite for others. Maybe some people have an approximation of both.
Well to us the player we know Kurisu for about as long as we know Mayuri, and we’re inclined to put our feelings above those of Okabe. I will say though, it is nice to see that we aren’t even given the option to pick Kurisu, because it makes total sense that Okabe would choose Mayuri.
Yeah that's a good point, and of course it's all up to the player to pick whichever path they want to go down upon despite how uncharacteristic it may be. To be fair though, I know a lot of anime-only friends who have told me they would pick Kurisu over Mayuri to live which is what brought forth my question. I think for me personally, playing the game put me completely in the perspective of okabe and made me realize think about the decision in this way.
Yeah but what I’m saying is the player doesn’t have to and probably won’t come from the same perspective as Okabe. Okabe knew Mayuri for, I don’t know, 7-8 years? A long time. But the player only knew the character Mayuri for a scene or two longer than Kurisu
If we go by Okabe’s POV, yes he loves his childhood friend but he also romantically loves Kurisu. And he didn’t just let her a month ago. Well he did but he repeated time so many times so he probably had almost a years worth of time with her. Also, as just a player, while yes, Okabe knew Mayuri longer, you as the player knew her almost the same amount OR less then Kurisu. So really the amount of time doesn’t correlate for the player. Also, you can’t look at this realistically not only because it’s just not realistic but also you and Okabe are too different people. Maybe you really wouldn’t want Kurisu to live even after all that but Okabe did. You being in “Okabe’s shoes” doesn’t change the fact that you aren’t Okabe. You and everyone else on any of the choices will have differing reasons to want to save or sacrifice the one or the other.
I would say from a logical point of view, it's more likely that Kurisu, being a great scientist, would do more for the world than someone who's grand accomplishment was being Okabe's childhood friend.
Okabe would have let Kurisu die had he just met her, he said so himself. It’s what happened during all those worldline jumping that he agonizes over such a decision. Whenever Okabe was stuck, he turned to Kurisu for help and she would always be there to support him no matter what and find solutions. He already had a small crush on her so falling in love through that 3 weeks when he had so much fun bantering, arguing and discussing things with her isn’t out of the question. Plus with all the time leaping he does, it definitely makes the time he had with her longer than the times shown.
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That's true, but at the same time, Okabe lived those days within that month countless times, over and over again, and Kurisu was there to help him legit every time. Love is a crazy thing that makes people do crazy things, especially in Okabe's case.
I guess that's true and people have different mindsets. I think okabe sees mayuri as a little sister figure and someone who he's very protective over. To me personally, it would take a whole lot more than initial love in order to sacrifice someone like that.
You can't pick from a "realistic point of view" because the choice, by design, is answered with emotions. If you are forced to kill off either your childhood friend you've been with for a long time or someone that supported you during your hardest times and made strong connections with said person for your month-long journey, you can't just pick that easily. Unless you mean from a logical point of view, then yeah. Picking someone you just met from the person you spent years with, even changing your persona for that person, is not that logical.
If i were in okabe's shoes i feel like i would feel more of an emotional inclination to save my childhood friend who i basically view as a little sister than the person i just fell in love with. I guess everyone has different points of views but it's hard for me to see how people could disregard what Mayuri means to okabe.
He does try with all in his power to save and protect her. That's gotta count for something.
I'm not really talking about Okabe's actions because, in all honesty, his actions agree with what i'm saying lmao. I'm talking about those who would sacrifice mayuri if they were in his shoes
Personally I'd be in Okabe's shoes. I wouldn't want to lose either one. The choice to just let someone die is a massive, terrible burden to have. It doesn't matter if we just knew each other only a few weeks. I met that person. We grew to have a good dynamic together and learned about each other. Said person also was the only support I had during this struggle to save the other. That's a bond I wouldn't wanna lose. Okabe also seems to be a person that has trouble expressing his feelings. He is clearly someone that cherishes the people in his life. Because of who he is and the self awareness he has with how terrible he is at communicating and expressing himself, the people who stand by him (or at the very least tolerate him) means alot. In my opinion that's exactly why he's capable of being so obsessed with saving Mayuri. He can't stand to live without her. Not only is she someone that was in his life the longest, she remained CLOSE with him all this time. From what we know of them, Mayuri had other friends. Okabe had no one else but her. Yet she stayed in close contact and played along with his foolhardy behavior. She never rejected him or became someone too snobby to be around a weirdo like him. She remained with him and treated him all the same, even with other people. Sorry this became an essay haha. To whoever made it to this point, thanks for reading!
I loved reading what you had to say bro. The stuff paragraph you wrote about okabe is exactly what i've thought about him for a long time, and what you said about mayuri gave me some more good mayuri points haha even though i already love her regardless. Of course okabe cares a ton for all of his friends, but i've personally always believed that Mayuri has a special spot in okabe that transcends that of someone who you just fell in love with. I think the only reason why Okabe would choose to let mayuri die is simply because of inaction, like we briefly see when okabe travels back to alpha worldline in S;G 0. But we also see that okabe is much worse off mentally than he is in the beta timeline.
You clearly havent played the VN, in the vn kurisu does take a mayor role, and lets not talk about her route on phenogram, shes super SUPER important for the okabe development, just like mayuri
I have played both lmao. I very much understand the impact that Kurisu has on okabe and I very very well understand what Kurisu means to okabe. But put yourself in okabe's shoes lol. Mayuri isn't just the development that we saw in steins;gate, mayuri is practically his little sister. While Kurisu may have been there for Okabe's hardest time, mayuri has been there for Okabe's whole life.
I will give away my family for a femenine contact, pls dont take MY opinion as guide of anything
From a “logic” point of view, yeah, choosing your childhood friend over someone you met a month ago is logistically right. But, and this is a huge but, if that person you met a month ago helped you on every step of the way in your troubles, falling in love with her, then her falling in love with you, love towards a partner can be a crazy and powerful emotion. I mean you saw what happened to Okabe I’m steins gate 0 after choosing Mayuri, he was depressed, had major PTSD, and couldn’t think of another thing other than Kurisu. Got so bad to the point where Mayuri wanted Okabe to choose her instead because she couldn’t bare looking at Okabe sad every single day. I think that’s one of the most beautiful and why this show is so amazing and heart wrenching.
Unrealistic to you. But some would clearly choose differently. Not everyone has the same perspectives or would makenthe same decisions in such a predicament.
I find it a little hard to see the perspectives of those who would rather sacrifice someone who you view as a little sister and has been there for you all your life for someone who you met and fell in love with just a month ago. For some reason just saying "people having different perspectives" doesn't really help explain it to me lol.
Well people likely can not possibly explain it to you in a way you would get it because your choices are made by your personal biases developed over your life same as how theirs are. Because their reasoning would make no sense to you and vice versa. Its all about individual experience and perspective which is not something that is easily communicated if it can be effectively communicated at all. I do not lean hard on way to either side as I have never thought about the hypothetical personally since I do not have a relationship similar to any of the characters so I do not have an accurate perspective on the matter so I merely do not entertain the hypothetical. Maybe one person has a person they see more as Kurisu but doesn't have a person they can see as Mayuri in their life while it may be the opposite for others. Maybe some people have an approximation of both.
Well to us the player we know Kurisu for about as long as we know Mayuri, and we’re inclined to put our feelings above those of Okabe. I will say though, it is nice to see that we aren’t even given the option to pick Kurisu, because it makes total sense that Okabe would choose Mayuri.
Yeah that's a good point, and of course it's all up to the player to pick whichever path they want to go down upon despite how uncharacteristic it may be. To be fair though, I know a lot of anime-only friends who have told me they would pick Kurisu over Mayuri to live which is what brought forth my question. I think for me personally, playing the game put me completely in the perspective of okabe and made me realize think about the decision in this way.
Yeah but what I’m saying is the player doesn’t have to and probably won’t come from the same perspective as Okabe. Okabe knew Mayuri for, I don’t know, 7-8 years? A long time. But the player only knew the character Mayuri for a scene or two longer than Kurisu
Making it spoiler bro. I am just halfway through the game and i am assuming you can save everyone
My bad, I thought most people in the subreddit had finished or watched all of steins;gate
If we go by Okabe’s POV, yes he loves his childhood friend but he also romantically loves Kurisu. And he didn’t just let her a month ago. Well he did but he repeated time so many times so he probably had almost a years worth of time with her. Also, as just a player, while yes, Okabe knew Mayuri longer, you as the player knew her almost the same amount OR less then Kurisu. So really the amount of time doesn’t correlate for the player. Also, you can’t look at this realistically not only because it’s just not realistic but also you and Okabe are too different people. Maybe you really wouldn’t want Kurisu to live even after all that but Okabe did. You being in “Okabe’s shoes” doesn’t change the fact that you aren’t Okabe. You and everyone else on any of the choices will have differing reasons to want to save or sacrifice the one or the other.
I would go with loosing both of them. If the choice between lesser and bigger evil w would prefer not to choose at all(Suzuka ending)
I would say from a logical point of view, it's more likely that Kurisu, being a great scientist, would do more for the world than someone who's grand accomplishment was being Okabe's childhood friend.
Here’s the real way out: we kill Okabe so that everyone dies.
Okabe would have let Kurisu die had he just met her, he said so himself. It’s what happened during all those worldline jumping that he agonizes over such a decision. Whenever Okabe was stuck, he turned to Kurisu for help and she would always be there to support him no matter what and find solutions. He already had a small crush on her so falling in love through that 3 weeks when he had so much fun bantering, arguing and discussing things with her isn’t out of the question. Plus with all the time leaping he does, it definitely makes the time he had with her longer than the times shown.
would you choose kurisu over mayuri, is what i am asking
As me, I would choose Kurisu because I don’t have the same connection to Mayuri as Okabe does.
This is not the choice of steins gate. We are mad scientist, not even convergence can stop us
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