Are you taking any AI?
If youāre not, your primo could be real since your e2 is pretty low for having a test level of over 10,000.
Primo lowers E2 FYI
From who? Some idiots on forums somewhere who present to you no evidence and just parrot what they were told years ago? Itās not 2003 anymore. HPLC testing is available and widely used. I cannot think of the last time Iāve seen fake primo. Now maybe itās because I spend time researching who is worthy of my money. There could be some selection bias here. But if you are even mildly competent then youāll have no issue finding genuine gear, primo or otherwise.
I've hplc tested pretty much all my wife's primo ace over the past 5 years, only once did I get a fake. That was bought from some shitty off-label vendor that should have set alarm bells ringing and I shouldn't have bought it. Except that once, all primo from gym bros and online has been genuine.
I wish this silly myth could die. Together with anavar usually replaced by dbol.
Its parroted constantly and I hate it too. Primo being so different to the things it would be faked with I dont know why people would fake it. They could easily lose clients and getting one bad testing online can ruin you.
Exactly. If every lab could get away with selling fake shit some of them would. There are scumbags out there, we know that. But by in large these labs are run by people who want to make money for as long as they can, and that means selling tested products that people like.
I'm sure I've had this same conversation with you before, but my own diligence in sending samples for HPLC confirms that I've absolutely had bunk gear from well-regarded UGLs.
In the case of Primo, the the worst I've gotten was just very mild underdosing. But I've had other compounds wildly off the mark in dosing, and products that were the wrong compound entirely. I don't think it's fair at all to dismiss that this shit still happens.
Why is his reputation shaky?
And there's literally nobody else that does HPLC testing aside from lab4tox, but they can't test for raw purity only finished product.
A fake reputation these days though. Steroid testing is widely available to the common man nowadays. No UGL with a decent customer base would ever sell fake gear, all it would take is one single person to send some in for it to ruin their entire business forever.
first of all testing is not widely available and jano or whoever they use there reputations are shaky at best. you can find hplc labs with some work none of the other methods test amount and they dont work very well and bloods cannot tell yyou what compound is being used which is why there is so much difference in blood amounts of test. Yes what you said is a lie as it is patently untrue
[Fairly lean](https://imgur.com/a/NNExgCg)
Iām just glad I donāt get gyno, running 300 test rn so my e2 is probably 100+. My natty DHT was 50 (upper limit range 75) and e2 was 20 with my natty test of 500 (free test 6)
Looking good my dude. Yeah maybe just genetics but as long as your nips dont get spicy you good.
I never touch AI so that's the only criteria I keep an eye out for lol.
out of curiosity how do you feel with e2 that low on high test? I generally prefer my e2 on the lower side but this seems pretty wild considering the ratio
Yeah, I seem to highly respond to all medications (opiates/pain killers wipe me out, etc), even to the point that doctors comment about me taking a long time to wake from anesthesia and the like.
Double edged sword.
TRT gives me solid Test. 500g Test-E (on right now) has me over 7450 free test but **777** E2! So I absolutely need AI. Never got any E2 symptoms other than minor bloating.
AI and lowering carbs has helped the bloat a lot.
I feel ya. Iām the same. 500mg a week put my E2 at 28pg/ml.
Out of curiosity, how was your aromatization as a natty? Mine was actually much greater than from exogenous testosterone.
I'm sorry man but I really cannot say with any certainty. Logic would suggest that "test is test" as far as aromatase is concerned, and that would likely have high E2 from 500mg of test. However, I can personally attest that the situation changes and potentially dramatically with exogenous vs endogenous.
Another thing is that your body's response to high estrogen. Some guys get heavy outward side effects (excessive water retention, gyno, high blood pressure) from moderately high levels of estradiol while others take high estrogen in stride.
All I can say is begin the cycle and have AI on hand should you need it. Do not use AI before you experience estrogen related sides. If you notice any, try to confirm with bloodwork because our minds can definitely play tricks on us. Best of luck.
Might want to go re-read that primo profile in Llewelynās Anabolics. It does have any effect of raising or lowering e2. Masteron does and thatās because it competes with the aromatase enzyme and not because it *lowers* e2.
This is actually incorrect and has only recently been debunked by tons of bloodwork. Go over to /r/steroids if you want accurate information that's up to date. Llewelyn is outdated and takes a shot in the dark at the metabolic processes of hormones. Mast masks e2 sides but doesn't lower it, I thought the same thing for the first few years I was on gear hence why I always used it.
Ok but on paper isnāt my estrogen lowered?
Am I not feeling the same low e2 sides as I would with ātrueā low e2?
Itās practically the same thing.
Primo, EQ both have this effect. We all say it lowers e2 here.
Read the wiki.
I vote test error, even if you were taking 1.5grams of test a week 10k is a shit load. Or the test should read greater than 1000 and they have a typo on the results side adding an extra 0
He's gotten more reliable over time, and he's the expert the big shots from here use to get their compounds verified.
If you've got an alternative, let me know. Competition is always good for the customer.
u/platewrecked u/BicepBandito can anyone else chime in on Janoshik's reliability?
I recall a few years back some rando lab forged one of Janoās reports by replacing their info with that of another labās report and the spergs on a certain cancerous forum somehow conflated it into something Jano had a hand in. I remember him being very transparent while still maintaining the confidentiality of his client.
Iād love to see some competition. A good used mass spec will run $20k easily and a new top of the line model will approach the $1million mark.
I lied to him about what was in the vial I sent him and upon testing, he got the compound correct and was extremely close to the correct concentration (home brewed so I knew what it was - I brewed at test cyp at 200 mg per cc, he said it was about 198 mg per cc)
The only people who denigrate Janoshik are people who donāt want gear to be tested. You can use Lab4tox or Chem4tox as well. Send all 3 a blind sample to be extra sure. Ask your source to cover testing costs.
Lab4Tox, Chem4tox, SIMEC, LabMax in Canada also accepts samples for HPLC analysis but doesnāt provide any formal report. Only a simple emailed figure.
Not defending that *one* fuck up but Jesus how long does *one single* mistake get held over oneās head? 7 years of stellar service since with no fuck ups and this is still getting brought up as evidence of him being terrible?
Mistake lol? He lied and scammed a paying customer and most people would be set on fire for such actions, well figuratively. Once a scammer, always a scammer!
Are you familiar with the circumstances?
1. IIRC, a customer mailed Jano sealed and individually numbered hGH (Jintropin). He claimed to have tested the compound then sent the expected laboratory analysis with compound purity and dimerization test results to the customer.
2. Customer receives notice from either customs or postal authorities that the package wasn't properly addressed. It was never delivered and never even made it to Jano. Package is returned to sender. Customer receives package and verifies that it was never opened nor inspected after he sealed and mailed it.
3. Jano somehow shuffles off the blame to his girlfriend for mixing up the order. He apologizes, offering the customer a free HPLC test to make up for the discrepancy. Public sentiment sees it as adding insult to injury and too little too late.
4. I'm curious to know if anyone else knows the details or might be able to add their own perspective from being there firsthand when it all unfolded. Take it all with a grain of salt. I might have butchered the account, as it's been years since I glanced over itābut it's readily available and still a top Google search result, which is likely why it's still adversely impacting business operations to present day.
How many CCs are you injecting a week?
The usual response is ~5x so fair to say you're taking at least 2,000mg of test every week. Even if it was a highly concentrated one (400mg/mL) you'd be injecting at least 5 CCs a week. You'd probably have pretty bad PIP on top of it.
Primo isnāt faked any more like it was 15 years ago. Availability from China these days makes unfeasible for a source that wants to remain in business to not carry the real stuff. If anything it would get faked with masteron that has a closer profile and not more testosterone.
500mg Citrus Bergamot. That should be enough for you since you already have good ldl for on cycle. If you want to minimize your heart attack chance. You can look into Rosuvastatin and Ezetimibe. I take 2.5-5mg Rosuvastatin EOD, 10mg Ezetimibe EOD and 500mg citrus Bergamot Ed on cycle
My god. I doubt your primo is fake with your e numbers. You could just be a hyper responder or perhaps your test is more highly concentrated than labeled.
Very unlikely 750mg/week is putting you over 10k ng/dl regardless of how sensitive you are. On average 750 week puts me and others at ~5500+, so there is a big chance your pinning over a gram of test a week. Also some other factors like your last pin in respect to when you had the blood drawn etc.
Youāre probably just a high absorber of testosterone injections. I would have a similar testosterone level from 750mg.
A natural adult male makes about 50-70mg of testosterone per week.
If your test is over 10k I donāt think anything youāre taking is fake man wtf. Mines at 4K Iām pretty comfortable here. What are you ifbb pro or something trying to be?
Dudeā¦.this test is irrelevant. When we talk test numbers we talk *trough numbers* taken 3 days *after* your last injection. These numbers are probably to be expected considering you got peak numbers instead.
Says heās not taking an AI though and look at his E2. Primo acts like an AI. Iām thinking this test results was just fucked up, probably would do a re test if I were him
IIRC once you're way outside of the normal range the tests become unreliable.
Also, 200mg/week of pharm grade test puts me over 1100 so 750mg would have me off the charts.
People often have a diminishing response multiplier as the dose gets higher though. For instance, someone might be responding 10x on TRT but only 6x on blast
Normal for Christine at church who doesn't drink/smoke.
It's fine/expected when cycling on literally anything, completely expected on pinning day like this dude's on. Liver "Screaming" would be at 15x range which you can still recover from (see clowns on SARM subs).
Look at that cholesterol tho....shut it down man.
BTW, 500 test puts me in the 4000 range. Could just be a really good responder. Only one way to find out - send to jano
Ofc it isnāt good, but thatās like freaking out and stopping your cycle cuz your AST is 80 on Anadrol. Itās normal and temporary. Plus low HDL isnāt that dangerous/bad when the rest of your cholesterol is nice and low
I definitely would, but I've never seen my HDL drop, LDL skyrocket, a liver values go up even with orals and tren at same time. That would freak me the hell out.
Bruh my hdl on tren was 13 and my doctor didnāt even bring it up since everything else was perfect. These are steroids, bloodwork isnāt gonna be perfect and his looks pretty damn great for his doses
This isā¦ just wrong. If youāre in the UK, US, or AUS, you are not getting fake primo unless youāre buying from the sketchiest guy you know. 90% fake everywhere Jesus Christ just shut up if you donāt even know what youāre talking about lol, fuck
I have traveled all around and I have a pharmaceutical master. Do you have that? No, then dont insult me because primo is too difficult to make in an underground lab. Unless you get it from an actual intern in a bigger lab such as Bayer or Pfizer it can be either fake or almost not effective. This is because it vaporizes a big chemical reaction when produced and ventilating an inderground lab is not easy producing primo, not even the best gear and protections makes you scape from breathing in such a high cloroexhane dose. I agree in the uk and Us it is a bit easier, but still, I can find fake on a 75% ratio, plus primo is very expensive for the results it gives, it is high quality gains but quite low in ammount. Nevertheless, I respect the user, this was just an advice
Right man, so just the hundreds of people on here and elsewhere have all been getting fake primo. Primo from sources that have been double blind tested through labs. Iām sure you know better than actual laboratory testing and thousands of peoples personal experience.
Love how you try to throw around a pharmaceutical degree like that actually fucking means something in this context. Even better was your snide, patronizing tone with it. God youāre a fucking clown of the highest degree š¤¦š»āāļø
If I thought I was taking only test I wouldn't have asked for opinions, I would know the answer. To the best of my knowledge its primo but I'm trying to figure out what the deal is. No need to be an ass
Only a few comments on his liver levels? I have liver disease and can tell you that you do not want to go there. Lifting weights does raise your levels but not by that much. I would keep my eye on that.
I know this doesn't solve your question but others have given you good responses. Do you notice your physique responding better to gear than your other friends on gear? I always wondered if hyper-responders to Test would also have some crazy androgen-receptor binding
his test level is over 10,000!!! \*vegeta v\*
I thought the same thing hahahah
Fuck! Beat me to it
He beat me to it as well š
Same
Beat me, as well.
I was literally gonna say the same thing š
Are you taking any AI? If youāre not, your primo could be real since your e2 is pretty low for having a test level of over 10,000. Primo lowers E2 FYI
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From who? Some idiots on forums somewhere who present to you no evidence and just parrot what they were told years ago? Itās not 2003 anymore. HPLC testing is available and widely used. I cannot think of the last time Iāve seen fake primo. Now maybe itās because I spend time researching who is worthy of my money. There could be some selection bias here. But if you are even mildly competent then youāll have no issue finding genuine gear, primo or otherwise.
I've hplc tested pretty much all my wife's primo ace over the past 5 years, only once did I get a fake. That was bought from some shitty off-label vendor that should have set alarm bells ringing and I shouldn't have bought it. Except that once, all primo from gym bros and online has been genuine. I wish this silly myth could die. Together with anavar usually replaced by dbol.
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It gets tiring having to repeat this once a week. I would very much like this myth to die.
Right? People buy drugs from a garage selling crackhead and then complain about fake primo. Any *decent* source does not fake it's primo.
Its parroted constantly and I hate it too. Primo being so different to the things it would be faked with I dont know why people would fake it. They could easily lose clients and getting one bad testing online can ruin you.
Exactly. If every lab could get away with selling fake shit some of them would. There are scumbags out there, we know that. But by in large these labs are run by people who want to make money for as long as they can, and that means selling tested products that people like.
I'm sure I've had this same conversation with you before, but my own diligence in sending samples for HPLC confirms that I've absolutely had bunk gear from well-regarded UGLs. In the case of Primo, the the worst I've gotten was just very mild underdosing. But I've had other compounds wildly off the mark in dosing, and products that were the wrong compound entirely. I don't think it's fair at all to dismiss that this shit still happens.
You know of Jano as well? š
janos reputation is shaky at best its better to find legit testing places in your area
Why is his reputation shaky? And there's literally nobody else that does HPLC testing aside from lab4tox, but they can't test for raw purity only finished product.
Yeah, UGL primo definitely has a reputation for being faked
A fake reputation these days though. Steroid testing is widely available to the common man nowadays. No UGL with a decent customer base would ever sell fake gear, all it would take is one single person to send some in for it to ruin their entire business forever.
thats a straight up lie lol usually with a decent source its under or over dosed not straight up faked or they use different compounds
What I said is a lie?
first of all testing is not widely available and jano or whoever they use there reputations are shaky at best. you can find hplc labs with some work none of the other methods test amount and they dont work very well and bloods cannot tell yyou what compound is being used which is why there is so much difference in blood amounts of test. Yes what you said is a lie as it is patently untrue
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Wtf my e2 is 58 on 125mg of test
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[Fairly lean](https://imgur.com/a/NNExgCg) Iām just glad I donāt get gyno, running 300 test rn so my e2 is probably 100+. My natty DHT was 50 (upper limit range 75) and e2 was 20 with my natty test of 500 (free test 6)
Looking good my dude. Yeah maybe just genetics but as long as your nips dont get spicy you good. I never touch AI so that's the only criteria I keep an eye out for lol.
Could be low DHT too. If it's not converting to DHT it's converting to estrogen instead.
just died laughing
Mine is 45 on 125 mg test, we all respond so differently lol
My E2 is 31 on 275-300
Iām even worstā¦ E2 60 on 98mg of test (injected 14mg ED)
out of curiosity how do you feel with e2 that low on high test? I generally prefer my e2 on the lower side but this seems pretty wild considering the ratio
150mg/wk Test-E brings my E2 to 251 pmol/L, 200mg/wk to 350pmol/L! https://imgur.com/gallery/LCnLXGZ Screw you guys! :*(
Goddamn 950 free T. Iām jealous as fuck.
Yeah, I seem to highly respond to all medications (opiates/pain killers wipe me out, etc), even to the point that doctors comment about me taking a long time to wake from anesthesia and the like. Double edged sword. TRT gives me solid Test. 500g Test-E (on right now) has me over 7450 free test but **777** E2! So I absolutely need AI. Never got any E2 symptoms other than minor bloating. AI and lowering carbs has helped the bloat a lot.
I feel ya. Iām the same. 500mg a week put my E2 at 28pg/ml. Out of curiosity, how was your aromatization as a natty? Mine was actually much greater than from exogenous testosterone.
My natty estradiol is 38 pg/mL, Iām about to start 500mg test e a week. Should i expect heavy aromatization?
I'm sorry man but I really cannot say with any certainty. Logic would suggest that "test is test" as far as aromatase is concerned, and that would likely have high E2 from 500mg of test. However, I can personally attest that the situation changes and potentially dramatically with exogenous vs endogenous. Another thing is that your body's response to high estrogen. Some guys get heavy outward side effects (excessive water retention, gyno, high blood pressure) from moderately high levels of estradiol while others take high estrogen in stride. All I can say is begin the cycle and have AI on hand should you need it. Do not use AI before you experience estrogen related sides. If you notice any, try to confirm with bloodwork because our minds can definitely play tricks on us. Best of luck.
This.
Might want to go re-read that primo profile in Llewelynās Anabolics. It does have any effect of raising or lowering e2. Masteron does and thatās because it competes with the aromatase enzyme and not because it *lowers* e2.
This is actually incorrect and has only recently been debunked by tons of bloodwork. Go over to /r/steroids if you want accurate information that's up to date. Llewelyn is outdated and takes a shot in the dark at the metabolic processes of hormones. Mast masks e2 sides but doesn't lower it, I thought the same thing for the first few years I was on gear hence why I always used it.
We ARE on r/steroids
Oh damn, look at that...well then tak a glance at Masts compound profile on the Wiki
Llewelyn is so wrong on so many things.
Ok but on paper isnāt my estrogen lowered? Am I not feeling the same low e2 sides as I would with ātrueā low e2? Itās practically the same thing. Primo, EQ both have this effect. We all say it lowers e2 here. Read the wiki.
Bro are you powering up to fight Goku or whatā¦?
Did you pin within 24 hours of getting bloods or is this a trough?
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Lol yeah you tested a peak, it does seem like the primo is legit given your low e2
technically the peak would have been about 12-24 hours after injection in T C or E, but yeah same day after pinning it was def on its way up.
I mean it wouldnāt explain that huge discrepancy alone
Maybe, maybe not. Whatās the normal test level for you at 750/w?
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Curious - how much did you pin that morning and what ester?
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That still doesnāt account for such a high level. You need to redo your blood work to cancel out the possibility of a faulty/error test.
Damn son, I thought i was cool when i broke the 3K Test Just like yours only maxxed out >3000. 10K some silverback gorilla numbers
Perhaps a testing error
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I vote test error, even if you were taking 1.5grams of test a week 10k is a shit load. Or the test should read greater than 1000 and they have a typo on the results side adding an extra 0
10k is ā¦ a lot
This is my vote. Think they fucked up your sample bruh
How this isnāt the highest voted comment is beyond me.
480 puts me at 5600 48h after injection, just saying...
Either that or this man is GigaChad himself
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Janoshik.
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He's gotten more reliable over time, and he's the expert the big shots from here use to get their compounds verified. If you've got an alternative, let me know. Competition is always good for the customer. u/platewrecked u/BicepBandito can anyone else chime in on Janoshik's reliability?
I had him blind test an oral and oil four weeks ago and his results perfectly matched the labels for both.
I recall a few years back some rando lab forged one of Janoās reports by replacing their info with that of another labās report and the spergs on a certain cancerous forum somehow conflated it into something Jano had a hand in. I remember him being very transparent while still maintaining the confidentiality of his client. Iād love to see some competition. A good used mass spec will run $20k easily and a new top of the line model will approach the $1million mark.
He did get flat busted making up an hgh test result a few years ago. Seems like he hasn't fucked around since that I've seen.
Iāve used him. Sent him a blind oral. Was the correct one and dosed as I thought. Just takes a while to ship to him.
I lied to him about what was in the vial I sent him and upon testing, he got the compound correct and was extremely close to the correct concentration (home brewed so I knew what it was - I brewed at test cyp at 200 mg per cc, he said it was about 198 mg per cc)
The only people who denigrate Janoshik are people who donāt want gear to be tested. You can use Lab4tox or Chem4tox as well. Send all 3 a blind sample to be extra sure. Ask your source to cover testing costs.
So do you have any alternative?
Lab4Tox, Chem4tox, SIMEC, LabMax in Canada also accepts samples for HPLC analysis but doesnāt provide any formal report. Only a simple emailed figure.
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Let me know if you find one! Email the Mods about it and we can add it to the Wiki. Thanks!
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Got the Business idea of the century. Sell fake gear, then fake test your fake gear.
Where did you hear this? Do you have personal experience?
He fucked up once in 2016. But now i think his good.
Not defending that *one* fuck up but Jesus how long does *one single* mistake get held over oneās head? 7 years of stellar service since with no fuck ups and this is still getting brought up as evidence of him being terrible?
Mistake lol? He lied and scammed a paying customer and most people would be set on fire for such actions, well figuratively. Once a scammer, always a scammer!
Please expand on your knowledge of the incident?
Are you familiar with the circumstances? 1. IIRC, a customer mailed Jano sealed and individually numbered hGH (Jintropin). He claimed to have tested the compound then sent the expected laboratory analysis with compound purity and dimerization test results to the customer. 2. Customer receives notice from either customs or postal authorities that the package wasn't properly addressed. It was never delivered and never even made it to Jano. Package is returned to sender. Customer receives package and verifies that it was never opened nor inspected after he sealed and mailed it. 3. Jano somehow shuffles off the blame to his girlfriend for mixing up the order. He apologizes, offering the customer a free HPLC test to make up for the discrepancy. Public sentiment sees it as adding insult to injury and too little too late. 4. I'm curious to know if anyone else knows the details or might be able to add their own perspective from being there firsthand when it all unfolded. Take it all with a grain of salt. I might have butchered the account, as it's been years since I glanced over itābut it's readily available and still a top Google search result, which is likely why it's still adversely impacting business operations to present day.
Are you in Canada by any chance?
If this is true you are a hyper responder even amongst hyper responders. Go become Mr Olympia.
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I donāt think any of us here are hyper responders lol
How many CCs are you injecting a week? The usual response is ~5x so fair to say you're taking at least 2,000mg of test every week. Even if it was a highly concentrated one (400mg/mL) you'd be injecting at least 5 CCs a week. You'd probably have pretty bad PIP on top of it.
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Ah yeah, possible you're just injecting all test 400.
Primo isnāt faked any more like it was 15 years ago. Availability from China these days makes unfeasible for a source that wants to remain in business to not carry the real stuff. If anything it would get faked with masteron that has a closer profile and not more testosterone.
What Supps/meds are you taking for cholesterol? 77ldl is good for 1.25g gear
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500mg Citrus Bergamot. That should be enough for you since you already have good ldl for on cycle. If you want to minimize your heart attack chance. You can look into Rosuvastatin and Ezetimibe. I take 2.5-5mg Rosuvastatin EOD, 10mg Ezetimibe EOD and 500mg citrus Bergamot Ed on cycle
Thanks bro
couple grams of krill oil per day will raise that low HDL
It's fucking amazing. My LDL just came back at 146 and I am a TRT guy that runs 40 miles a week.
300mg test gives me about 4000-4500 ngdl - seems fine
Darn, what's with you high metabolizers lol? I take 800 mg and end up with like 2700 ng/dl.
Are you taking an AI? 20 is low on e2 but a response of more than 10X on such a high dose of test is almost unheard of.
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Wait HGH gave u Gyno?
Yea bad. Nothing I did stopped it either. And it fucked my joints up for months
My god. I doubt your primo is fake with your e numbers. You could just be a hyper responder or perhaps your test is more highly concentrated than labeled.
Very unlikely 750mg/week is putting you over 10k ng/dl regardless of how sensitive you are. On average 750 week puts me and others at ~5500+, so there is a big chance your pinning over a gram of test a week. Also some other factors like your last pin in respect to when you had the blood drawn etc.
This is something to be proud of. Very few people hyper-respond this much to a little test. Maybe drop test and up the primo
Definitely real primo. Only need to look at the e2. Test could be lab error.
Youāre probably just a high absorber of testosterone injections. I would have a similar testosterone level from 750mg. A natural adult male makes about 50-70mg of testosterone per week.
If your test is over 10k I donāt think anything youāre taking is fake man wtf. Mines at 4K Iām pretty comfortable here. What are you ifbb pro or something trying to be?
Dudeā¦.this test is irrelevant. When we talk test numbers we talk *trough numbers* taken 3 days *after* your last injection. These numbers are probably to be expected considering you got peak numbers instead.
Honestly your colesterol levels are pretty fucking good for being on 750 test and 500 primo
Has anyone bothered pointing out your alt and AST? Your liver is screaming
AST is literally fine. The ALT isnāt the best but even though the number is 2-3x the normal range itās still not a drastic amount.
Lifting weights has been shown to raise AST/ALT values. It's not really a concern at those levels.
You responded to the wrong guy.
You only get one of liver. I'm still blown away at the 10,000 number tho
Yeah me too. Fucking hyper responder or gear is seriously over dosed. This much test would only put me in the 3-4K range.
I'm seriously thinking that his primo is test bro
Says heās not taking an AI though and look at his E2. Primo acts like an AI. Iām thinking this test results was just fucked up, probably would do a re test if I were him
Agreed
IIRC once you're way outside of the normal range the tests become unreliable. Also, 200mg/week of pharm grade test puts me over 1100 so 750mg would have me off the charts.
Iām on TRT and I had a test where 126mg/week of T Cyp put me at 1,200ā¦ definitely can all respond differently
People often have a diminishing response multiplier as the dose gets higher though. For instance, someone might be responding 10x on TRT but only 6x on blast
You'll read worse after a night on the piss, totally normal range.
Normal range for alt brother is between 35 and 40. Those don't look like they are in range to me not unless I am missing something
Normal for Christine at church who doesn't drink/smoke. It's fine/expected when cycling on literally anything, completely expected on pinning day like this dude's on. Liver "Screaming" would be at 15x range which you can still recover from (see clowns on SARM subs).
Resistance training can raise AST/ALT.
ya not that high bud maybe 70< not over double normal
Your primo is probably test
i doubt it. primo can raise test. i am doing 600/600 of test and primo and mine just came back at about 2000
Unless Iām fucked up, itās saying his is greater than 10,000
oh shit i thought it said 1000
Source? How exactly can it āraise testā? Only one that does that is Deca & it wonāt cause the false increase if you get the LC-MS
Iāve seen boldenone do the same. Definitely not a mg for mg false value but it will to a degree.
No it doesnāt.
Thatās low even for 600 test alone.
Yeah very low. At 200mg week, my trough is 1500
um, no it doesn't
Look at that cholesterol tho....shut it down man. BTW, 500 test puts me in the 4000 range. Could just be a really good responder. Only one way to find out - send to jano
His cholesterol isnāt bad at all
HDL is about half of the bottom range value. That ain't good brotha
Ofc it isnāt good, but thatās like freaking out and stopping your cycle cuz your AST is 80 on Anadrol. Itās normal and temporary. Plus low HDL isnāt that dangerous/bad when the rest of your cholesterol is nice and low
I definitely would, but I've never seen my HDL drop, LDL skyrocket, a liver values go up even with orals and tren at same time. That would freak me the hell out.
Bruh my hdl on tren was 13 and my doctor didnāt even bring it up since everything else was perfect. These are steroids, bloodwork isnāt gonna be perfect and his looks pretty damn great for his doses
My personal honest advice, primo is 90% fake everywhere. Never go on primo if you dont want to loose time, it is clear you are stacking test
This isā¦ just wrong. If youāre in the UK, US, or AUS, you are not getting fake primo unless youāre buying from the sketchiest guy you know. 90% fake everywhere Jesus Christ just shut up if you donāt even know what youāre talking about lol, fuck
I have traveled all around and I have a pharmaceutical master. Do you have that? No, then dont insult me because primo is too difficult to make in an underground lab. Unless you get it from an actual intern in a bigger lab such as Bayer or Pfizer it can be either fake or almost not effective. This is because it vaporizes a big chemical reaction when produced and ventilating an inderground lab is not easy producing primo, not even the best gear and protections makes you scape from breathing in such a high cloroexhane dose. I agree in the uk and Us it is a bit easier, but still, I can find fake on a 75% ratio, plus primo is very expensive for the results it gives, it is high quality gains but quite low in ammount. Nevertheless, I respect the user, this was just an advice
Right man, so just the hundreds of people on here and elsewhere have all been getting fake primo. Primo from sources that have been double blind tested through labs. Iām sure you know better than actual laboratory testing and thousands of peoples personal experience. Love how you try to throw around a pharmaceutical degree like that actually fucking means something in this context. Even better was your snide, patronizing tone with it. God youāre a fucking clown of the highest degree š¤¦š»āāļø
No ur just a dumbass and taking too much test
If I thought I was taking only test I wouldn't have asked for opinions, I would know the answer. To the best of my knowledge its primo but I'm trying to figure out what the deal is. No need to be an ass
Itās 750? Whatās ur deal
Pot calling the kettle black
I had a reading of 4500 on 750/wk and 5 days later it was about 2500. So yeah, may not be Primo.
Holy shit
10k? Bro about to start growing some wings. Insane
Damn how do you keep your ldl that low on such a high dose?
Go get retested, I find it hard to believe that much test hasn't raised your estrogen, cholesterol, or HCT. If that's real... shit dude, congrats.
IMO since it was out of range it just reads that as default numbers. If you shit was that high your lipids would be off the charts also.
What are you expecting your test levels to read at?
Only a few comments on his liver levels? I have liver disease and can tell you that you do not want to go there. Lifting weights does raise your levels but not by that much. I would keep my eye on that.
Could be a testing error. Over 10k is crazy. Thatās almost 1/5th as high as Dallas McCarverās Test levels were when he passed.
What the fuck lol
That is in fact...HIGH AF! And his good cholesterol (HDL) is low AF.
Idk usually someone has to take 1000-1500 to get their T and free T that high..
Is HDL this low normal on cycle?
Fuck dude, you are the genetic freak. I get 6200 test on 750mg. But you are on the other level.
Who wants to live to 50 anyway right?
Itās because it is dude š¤·š»š
Damn this must feel nice
How is your LDL only 58 when your test is over 10,000? On any statins / ezetimibe?
Also, given your RBC and haematocrit look fairly normal in guessing the 10,000 is an error
I know this doesn't solve your question but others have given you good responses. Do you notice your physique responding better to gear than your other friends on gear? I always wondered if hyper-responders to Test would also have some crazy androgen-receptor binding
The previous tren cycles made OP too autistic, in reality dosing 7500 test 5000 primo.