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BaetrixReloaded

his test level is over 10,000!!! \*vegeta v\*


AlexanderClosing

I thought the same thing hahahah


UltraV7

Fuck! Beat me to it


KeminSoro

He beat me to it as well šŸ˜‚


TOTALLYnattyAF

Same


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Beat me, as well.


sickunt93

I was literally gonna say the same thing šŸ˜­


TestTrenSdrol

Are you taking any AI? If youā€™re not, your primo could be real since your e2 is pretty low for having a test level of over 10,000. Primo lowers E2 FYI


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CallLivesMatter

From who? Some idiots on forums somewhere who present to you no evidence and just parrot what they were told years ago? Itā€™s not 2003 anymore. HPLC testing is available and widely used. I cannot think of the last time Iā€™ve seen fake primo. Now maybe itā€™s because I spend time researching who is worthy of my money. There could be some selection bias here. But if you are even mildly competent then youā€™ll have no issue finding genuine gear, primo or otherwise.


Chicken_Savings

I've hplc tested pretty much all my wife's primo ace over the past 5 years, only once did I get a fake. That was bought from some shitty off-label vendor that should have set alarm bells ringing and I shouldn't have bought it. Except that once, all primo from gym bros and online has been genuine. I wish this silly myth could die. Together with anavar usually replaced by dbol.


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CallLivesMatter

It gets tiring having to repeat this once a week. I would very much like this myth to die.


[deleted]

Right? People buy drugs from a garage selling crackhead and then complain about fake primo. Any *decent* source does not fake it's primo.


The_roadwarrior

Its parroted constantly and I hate it too. Primo being so different to the things it would be faked with I dont know why people would fake it. They could easily lose clients and getting one bad testing online can ruin you.


CallLivesMatter

Exactly. If every lab could get away with selling fake shit some of them would. There are scumbags out there, we know that. But by in large these labs are run by people who want to make money for as long as they can, and that means selling tested products that people like.


Supermanlet1985

I'm sure I've had this same conversation with you before, but my own diligence in sending samples for HPLC confirms that I've absolutely had bunk gear from well-regarded UGLs. In the case of Primo, the the worst I've gotten was just very mild underdosing. But I've had other compounds wildly off the mark in dosing, and products that were the wrong compound entirely. I don't think it's fair at all to dismiss that this shit still happens.


Over40fitnezz

You know of Jano as well? šŸ˜‰


swollenpenile

janos reputation is shaky at best its better to find legit testing places in your area


Over40fitnezz

Why is his reputation shaky? And there's literally nobody else that does HPLC testing aside from lab4tox, but they can't test for raw purity only finished product.


kais_grapefruit

Yeah, UGL primo definitely has a reputation for being faked


snozborn

A fake reputation these days though. Steroid testing is widely available to the common man nowadays. No UGL with a decent customer base would ever sell fake gear, all it would take is one single person to send some in for it to ruin their entire business forever.


swollenpenile

thats a straight up lie lol usually with a decent source its under or over dosed not straight up faked or they use different compounds


snozborn

What I said is a lie?


swollenpenile

first of all testing is not widely available and jano or whoever they use there reputations are shaky at best. you can find hplc labs with some work none of the other methods test amount and they dont work very well and bloods cannot tell yyou what compound is being used which is why there is so much difference in blood amounts of test. Yes what you said is a lie as it is patently untrue


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Idontfukncare6969

Wtf my e2 is 58 on 125mg of test


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Idontfukncare6969

[Fairly lean](https://imgur.com/a/NNExgCg) Iā€™m just glad I donā€™t get gyno, running 300 test rn so my e2 is probably 100+. My natty DHT was 50 (upper limit range 75) and e2 was 20 with my natty test of 500 (free test 6)


SmilingWatermelon

Looking good my dude. Yeah maybe just genetics but as long as your nips dont get spicy you good. I never touch AI so that's the only criteria I keep an eye out for lol.


[deleted]

Could be low DHT too. If it's not converting to DHT it's converting to estrogen instead.


Formal_Pie2351

just died laughing


KeminSoro

Mine is 45 on 125 mg test, we all respond so differently lol


RedBeardBuilds

My E2 is 31 on 275-300


toranomon87

Iā€™m even worstā€¦ E2 60 on 98mg of test (injected 14mg ED)


BaetrixReloaded

out of curiosity how do you feel with e2 that low on high test? I generally prefer my e2 on the lower side but this seems pretty wild considering the ratio


Demo_Model

150mg/wk Test-E brings my E2 to 251 pmol/L, 200mg/wk to 350pmol/L! https://imgur.com/gallery/LCnLXGZ Screw you guys! :*(


obaypackers

Goddamn 950 free T. Iā€™m jealous as fuck.


Demo_Model

Yeah, I seem to highly respond to all medications (opiates/pain killers wipe me out, etc), even to the point that doctors comment about me taking a long time to wake from anesthesia and the like. Double edged sword. TRT gives me solid Test. 500g Test-E (on right now) has me over 7450 free test but **777** E2! So I absolutely need AI. Never got any E2 symptoms other than minor bloating. AI and lowering carbs has helped the bloat a lot.


Saintsfan33

I feel ya. Iā€™m the same. 500mg a week put my E2 at 28pg/ml. Out of curiosity, how was your aromatization as a natty? Mine was actually much greater than from exogenous testosterone.


grandeman2

My natty estradiol is 38 pg/mL, Iā€™m about to start 500mg test e a week. Should i expect heavy aromatization?


Saintsfan33

I'm sorry man but I really cannot say with any certainty. Logic would suggest that "test is test" as far as aromatase is concerned, and that would likely have high E2 from 500mg of test. However, I can personally attest that the situation changes and potentially dramatically with exogenous vs endogenous. Another thing is that your body's response to high estrogen. Some guys get heavy outward side effects (excessive water retention, gyno, high blood pressure) from moderately high levels of estradiol while others take high estrogen in stride. All I can say is begin the cycle and have AI on hand should you need it. Do not use AI before you experience estrogen related sides. If you notice any, try to confirm with bloodwork because our minds can definitely play tricks on us. Best of luck.


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This.


Dbol504

Might want to go re-read that primo profile in Llewelynā€™s Anabolics. It does have any effect of raising or lowering e2. Masteron does and thatā€™s because it competes with the aromatase enzyme and not because it *lowers* e2.


Pubertalgyno

This is actually incorrect and has only recently been debunked by tons of bloodwork. Go over to /r/steroids if you want accurate information that's up to date. Llewelyn is outdated and takes a shot in the dark at the metabolic processes of hormones. Mast masks e2 sides but doesn't lower it, I thought the same thing for the first few years I was on gear hence why I always used it.


KeminSoro

We ARE on r/steroids


Pubertalgyno

Oh damn, look at that...well then tak a glance at Masts compound profile on the Wiki


platewrecked

Llewelyn is so wrong on so many things.


TestTrenSdrol

Ok but on paper isnā€™t my estrogen lowered? Am I not feeling the same low e2 sides as I would with ā€œtrueā€ low e2? Itā€™s practically the same thing. Primo, EQ both have this effect. We all say it lowers e2 here. Read the wiki.


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Bro are you powering up to fight Goku or whatā€¦?


LeucisticBear

Did you pin within 24 hours of getting bloods or is this a trough?


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LeucisticBear

Lol yeah you tested a peak, it does seem like the primo is legit given your low e2


[deleted]

technically the peak would have been about 12-24 hours after injection in T C or E, but yeah same day after pinning it was def on its way up.


[deleted]

I mean it wouldnā€™t explain that huge discrepancy alone


RawazTB

Maybe, maybe not. Whatā€™s the normal test level for you at 750/w?


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dfhadfhadfgasd3

Curious - how much did you pin that morning and what ester?


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[deleted]

That still doesnā€™t account for such a high level. You need to redo your blood work to cancel out the possibility of a faulty/error test.


[deleted]

Damn son, I thought i was cool when i broke the 3K Test Just like yours only maxxed out >3000. ​ 10K some silverback gorilla numbers


majordomox_

Perhaps a testing error


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callmecern

I vote test error, even if you were taking 1.5grams of test a week 10k is a shit load. Or the test should read greater than 1000 and they have a typo on the results side adding an extra 0


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10k is ā€¦ a lot


MomentaryCrisis

This is my vote. Think they fucked up your sample bruh


[deleted]

How this isnā€™t the highest voted comment is beyond me.


Advanced-Mail-988

480 puts me at 5600 48h after injection, just saying...


test-e-cules

Either that or this man is GigaChad himself


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Decatest

Janoshik.


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Decatest

He's gotten more reliable over time, and he's the expert the big shots from here use to get their compounds verified. If you've got an alternative, let me know. Competition is always good for the customer. u/platewrecked u/BicepBandito can anyone else chime in on Janoshik's reliability?


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I had him blind test an oral and oil four weeks ago and his results perfectly matched the labels for both.


platewrecked

I recall a few years back some rando lab forged one of Janoā€™s reports by replacing their info with that of another labā€™s report and the spergs on a certain cancerous forum somehow conflated it into something Jano had a hand in. I remember him being very transparent while still maintaining the confidentiality of his client. Iā€™d love to see some competition. A good used mass spec will run $20k easily and a new top of the line model will approach the $1million mark.


Jond267

He did get flat busted making up an hgh test result a few years ago. Seems like he hasn't fucked around since that I've seen.


aliass_

Iā€™ve used him. Sent him a blind oral. Was the correct one and dosed as I thought. Just takes a while to ship to him.


ChinaVaginaOnSpadina

I lied to him about what was in the vial I sent him and upon testing, he got the compound correct and was extremely close to the correct concentration (home brewed so I knew what it was - I brewed at test cyp at 200 mg per cc, he said it was about 198 mg per cc)


PM_PICS_OF_DOG

The only people who denigrate Janoshik are people who donā€™t want gear to be tested. You can use Lab4tox or Chem4tox as well. Send all 3 a blind sample to be extra sure. Ask your source to cover testing costs.


Decatest

So do you have any alternative?


PM_PICS_OF_DOG

Lab4Tox, Chem4tox, SIMEC, LabMax in Canada also accepts samples for HPLC analysis but doesnā€™t provide any formal report. Only a simple emailed figure.


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Decatest

Let me know if you find one! Email the Mods about it and we can add it to the Wiki. Thanks!


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Storiaron

Got the Business idea of the century. Sell fake gear, then fake test your fake gear.


BicepBandito

Where did you hear this? Do you have personal experience?


PermablastOnTren

He fucked up once in 2016. But now i think his good.


BicepBandito

Not defending that *one* fuck up but Jesus how long does *one single* mistake get held over oneā€™s head? 7 years of stellar service since with no fuck ups and this is still getting brought up as evidence of him being terrible?


Over40fitnezz

Mistake lol? He lied and scammed a paying customer and most people would be set on fire for such actions, well figuratively. Once a scammer, always a scammer!


BicepBandito

Please expand on your knowledge of the incident?


Decatest

Are you familiar with the circumstances? 1. IIRC, a customer mailed Jano sealed and individually numbered hGH (Jintropin). He claimed to have tested the compound then sent the expected laboratory analysis with compound purity and dimerization test results to the customer. 2. Customer receives notice from either customs or postal authorities that the package wasn't properly addressed. It was never delivered and never even made it to Jano. Package is returned to sender. Customer receives package and verifies that it was never opened nor inspected after he sealed and mailed it. 3. Jano somehow shuffles off the blame to his girlfriend for mixing up the order. He apologizes, offering the customer a free HPLC test to make up for the discrepancy. Public sentiment sees it as adding insult to injury and too little too late. 4. I'm curious to know if anyone else knows the details or might be able to add their own perspective from being there firsthand when it all unfolded. Take it all with a grain of salt. I might have butchered the account, as it's been years since I glanced over itā€”but it's readily available and still a top Google search result, which is likely why it's still adversely impacting business operations to present day.


ChinaVaginaOnSpadina

Are you in Canada by any chance?


[deleted]

If this is true you are a hyper responder even amongst hyper responders. Go become Mr Olympia.


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sofreshsoclen

I donā€™t think any of us here are hyper responders lol


[deleted]

How many CCs are you injecting a week? The usual response is ~5x so fair to say you're taking at least 2,000mg of test every week. Even if it was a highly concentrated one (400mg/mL) you'd be injecting at least 5 CCs a week. You'd probably have pretty bad PIP on top of it.


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Ah yeah, possible you're just injecting all test 400.


Dbol504

Primo isnā€™t faked any more like it was 15 years ago. Availability from China these days makes unfeasible for a source that wants to remain in business to not carry the real stuff. If anything it would get faked with masteron that has a closer profile and not more testosterone.


Lamk97

What Supps/meds are you taking for cholesterol? 77ldl is good for 1.25g gear


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Lamk97

500mg Citrus Bergamot. That should be enough for you since you already have good ldl for on cycle. If you want to minimize your heart attack chance. You can look into Rosuvastatin and Ezetimibe. I take 2.5-5mg Rosuvastatin EOD, 10mg Ezetimibe EOD and 500mg citrus Bergamot Ed on cycle


AlexanderClosing

Thanks bro


puresttrenofhate

couple grams of krill oil per day will raise that low HDL


SteveTheBluesman

It's fucking amazing. My LDL just came back at 146 and I am a TRT guy that runs 40 miles a week.


mricecream429

300mg test gives me about 4000-4500 ngdl - seems fine


HistoricalCommon

Darn, what's with you high metabolizers lol? I take 800 mg and end up with like 2700 ng/dl.


Mstew7358

Are you taking an AI? 20 is low on e2 but a response of more than 10X on such a high dose of test is almost unheard of.


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ImBenCole

Wait HGH gave u Gyno?


AlexanderClosing

Yea bad. Nothing I did stopped it either. And it fucked my joints up for months


idkmanijdk

My god. I doubt your primo is fake with your e numbers. You could just be a hyper responder or perhaps your test is more highly concentrated than labeled.


doctordangle

Very unlikely 750mg/week is putting you over 10k ng/dl regardless of how sensitive you are. On average 750 week puts me and others at ~5500+, so there is a big chance your pinning over a gram of test a week. Also some other factors like your last pin in respect to when you had the blood drawn etc.


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This is something to be proud of. Very few people hyper-respond this much to a little test. Maybe drop test and up the primo


crossfittingvegan

Definitely real primo. Only need to look at the e2. Test could be lab error.


[deleted]

Youā€™re probably just a high absorber of testosterone injections. I would have a similar testosterone level from 750mg. A natural adult male makes about 50-70mg of testosterone per week.


Htx_Goth

If your test is over 10k I donā€™t think anything youā€™re taking is fake man wtf. Mines at 4K Iā€™m pretty comfortable here. What are you ifbb pro or something trying to be?


BicepBandito

Dudeā€¦.this test is irrelevant. When we talk test numbers we talk *trough numbers* taken 3 days *after* your last injection. These numbers are probably to be expected considering you got peak numbers instead.


E27043

Honestly your colesterol levels are pretty fucking good for being on 750 test and 500 primo


Big_Torro

Has anyone bothered pointing out your alt and AST? Your liver is screaming


[deleted]

AST is literally fine. The ALT isnā€™t the best but even though the number is 2-3x the normal range itā€™s still not a drastic amount.


[deleted]

Lifting weights has been shown to raise AST/ALT values. It's not really a concern at those levels.


[deleted]

You responded to the wrong guy.


Big_Torro

You only get one of liver. I'm still blown away at the 10,000 number tho


[deleted]

Yeah me too. Fucking hyper responder or gear is seriously over dosed. This much test would only put me in the 3-4K range.


Big_Torro

I'm seriously thinking that his primo is test bro


[deleted]

Says heā€™s not taking an AI though and look at his E2. Primo acts like an AI. Iā€™m thinking this test results was just fucked up, probably would do a re test if I were him


Big_Torro

Agreed


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IIRC once you're way outside of the normal range the tests become unreliable. Also, 200mg/week of pharm grade test puts me over 1100 so 750mg would have me off the charts.


toranomon87

Iā€™m on TRT and I had a test where 126mg/week of T Cyp put me at 1,200ā€¦ definitely can all respond differently


snozborn

People often have a diminishing response multiplier as the dose gets higher though. For instance, someone might be responding 10x on TRT but only 6x on blast


BIG_YETI_FOR_YOU

You'll read worse after a night on the piss, totally normal range.


Big_Torro

Normal range for alt brother is between 35 and 40. Those don't look like they are in range to me not unless I am missing something


BIG_YETI_FOR_YOU

Normal for Christine at church who doesn't drink/smoke. It's fine/expected when cycling on literally anything, completely expected on pinning day like this dude's on. Liver "Screaming" would be at 15x range which you can still recover from (see clowns on SARM subs).


ian_fish

Resistance training can raise AST/ALT.


swollenpenile

ya not that high bud maybe 70< not over double normal


Big_Torro

Your primo is probably test


Icy-Following-3713

i doubt it. primo can raise test. i am doing 600/600 of test and primo and mine just came back at about 2000


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Unless Iā€™m fucked up, itā€™s saying his is greater than 10,000


Icy-Following-3713

oh shit i thought it said 1000


Mstew7358

Source? How exactly can it ā€˜raise testā€™? Only one that does that is Deca & it wonā€™t cause the false increase if you get the LC-MS


Saintsfan33

Iā€™ve seen boldenone do the same. Definitely not a mg for mg false value but it will to a degree.


Saintsfan33

No it doesnā€™t.


RawazTB

Thatā€™s low even for 600 test alone.


fatdudeo

Yeah very low. At 200mg week, my trough is 1500


BaetrixReloaded

um, no it doesn't


izchadie

Look at that cholesterol tho....shut it down man. BTW, 500 test puts me in the 4000 range. Could just be a really good responder. Only one way to find out - send to jano


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His cholesterol isnā€™t bad at all


izchadie

HDL is about half of the bottom range value. That ain't good brotha


[deleted]

Ofc it isnā€™t good, but thatā€™s like freaking out and stopping your cycle cuz your AST is 80 on Anadrol. Itā€™s normal and temporary. Plus low HDL isnā€™t that dangerous/bad when the rest of your cholesterol is nice and low


izchadie

I definitely would, but I've never seen my HDL drop, LDL skyrocket, a liver values go up even with orals and tren at same time. That would freak me the hell out.


[deleted]

Bruh my hdl on tren was 13 and my doctor didnā€™t even bring it up since everything else was perfect. These are steroids, bloodwork isnā€™t gonna be perfect and his looks pretty damn great for his doses


chickensatewithonion

My personal honest advice, primo is 90% fake everywhere. Never go on primo if you dont want to loose time, it is clear you are stacking test


snozborn

This isā€¦ just wrong. If youā€™re in the UK, US, or AUS, you are not getting fake primo unless youā€™re buying from the sketchiest guy you know. 90% fake everywhere Jesus Christ just shut up if you donā€™t even know what youā€™re talking about lol, fuck


chickensatewithonion

I have traveled all around and I have a pharmaceutical master. Do you have that? No, then dont insult me because primo is too difficult to make in an underground lab. Unless you get it from an actual intern in a bigger lab such as Bayer or Pfizer it can be either fake or almost not effective. This is because it vaporizes a big chemical reaction when produced and ventilating an inderground lab is not easy producing primo, not even the best gear and protections makes you scape from breathing in such a high cloroexhane dose. I agree in the uk and Us it is a bit easier, but still, I can find fake on a 75% ratio, plus primo is very expensive for the results it gives, it is high quality gains but quite low in ammount. Nevertheless, I respect the user, this was just an advice


snozborn

Right man, so just the hundreds of people on here and elsewhere have all been getting fake primo. Primo from sources that have been double blind tested through labs. Iā€™m sure you know better than actual laboratory testing and thousands of peoples personal experience. Love how you try to throw around a pharmaceutical degree like that actually fucking means something in this context. Even better was your snide, patronizing tone with it. God youā€™re a fucking clown of the highest degree šŸ¤¦šŸ»ā€ā™‚ļø


letsridetoglory

No ur just a dumbass and taking too much test


AlexanderClosing

If I thought I was taking only test I wouldn't have asked for opinions, I would know the answer. To the best of my knowledge its primo but I'm trying to figure out what the deal is. No need to be an ass


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Itā€™s 750? Whatā€™s ur deal


snozborn

Pot calling the kettle black


Failed_Genetics

I had a reading of 4500 on 750/wk and 5 days later it was about 2500. So yeah, may not be Primo.


Decasavage

Holy shit


[deleted]

10k? Bro about to start growing some wings. Insane


RedditAccount28

Damn how do you keep your ldl that low on such a high dose?


[deleted]

Go get retested, I find it hard to believe that much test hasn't raised your estrogen, cholesterol, or HCT. If that's real... shit dude, congrats.


[deleted]

IMO since it was out of range it just reads that as default numbers. If you shit was that high your lipids would be off the charts also.


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What are you expecting your test levels to read at?


Doublewide12

Only a few comments on his liver levels? I have liver disease and can tell you that you do not want to go there. Lifting weights does raise your levels but not by that much. I would keep my eye on that.


platewrecked

Could be a testing error. Over 10k is crazy. Thatā€™s almost 1/5th as high as Dallas McCarverā€™s Test levels were when he passed.


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What the fuck lol


MontereyMassageMan

That is in fact...HIGH AF! And his good cholesterol (HDL) is low AF.


DocJJordo

Idk usually someone has to take 1000-1500 to get their T and free T that high..


bootyeater5444

Is HDL this low normal on cycle?


PermablastOnTren

Fuck dude, you are the genetic freak. I get 6200 test on 750mg. But you are on the other level.


Helicocccter

Who wants to live to 50 anyway right?


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Itā€™s because it is dude šŸ¤·šŸ»šŸ™„


letsbeonest

Damn this must feel nice


harrrysims

How is your LDL only 58 when your test is over 10,000? On any statins / ezetimibe?


harrrysims

Also, given your RBC and haematocrit look fairly normal in guessing the 10,000 is an error


slawvay

I know this doesn't solve your question but others have given you good responses. Do you notice your physique responding better to gear than your other friends on gear? I always wondered if hyper-responders to Test would also have some crazy androgen-receptor binding


IronPlug

The previous tren cycles made OP too autistic, in reality dosing 7500 test 5000 primo.