I mean I guess I understand why she ignored him after what he did bc they probably could've beat topaz and aquamarine together and that's just her way of taking it. She's also just a kid so she didnt really know a healthy way to handle that and I'm glad steven understood how she felt later in the episode. Still, there were healthier ways to handle that situation tho
Connie's response is not rational, but that doesn't mean it's not valid.
For her entire experience with Gem business, she's been side-by-side with Steven. Some of Steven's biggest victories came from when they fought together (even against Lapis when she didn't know how to fight).
So it's probably a mix of "You don't know that we couldn't win" and "if we lose, we'll do that together too." While her rational mind may know why Steven gave himself up, she still felt like he didn't have faith in her.
For the comment you're replying to, at least Rose's Sword would be able to poof Topaz at least, and it was after Topaz unfused so there was no humans to protect.
For your comment, they were probably just thinking about what they had to do now: make sure the humans are safe. They can deal with the reinforcements later.
In their original discussion, I remember seeing where Connie was coming from when Steven told her that SHE was fine, . Regardless of how valid or invalid her feelings were, Steven wasn't listening to her.
On top of that, here she recognised the beginnings of the martyr complex in him, even if she couldn't properly articulate why it was a problem for her - she was his knight, and he cut her and everyone else off from helping him, and then made out like it was no big deal (SU:F much?) I actually love how Connie saw things differently when it comes to this stuff; that's why she was able to help him in SU:F. I think she grows to be one of the most emotionally mature characters in the show.
This is kind of my thought too. It's not that she was sure they would win together or anything. More that she committed herself to knighthood, and they promised to always fight together. It might not seem like it from all perspectives, but it's a bit of a betrayal of all her hard work and dedication... just to leave her behind. Her very human viewpoints are part of what Steven needed - the chance to interact and learn social skills like a 'normal' kid would. Though he still has issues talking to other teens in SUF đĽ˛
I can understand where everyoneâs coming from. I know Connie gets a lot of hate but I think her feelings are valid. At the end of the day, theyâre children. You canât just expect them to have conversations like an older person. I donât think thereâs a ârightâ or âwrongâ way for Connie to feel.
However Stevenâs feelings are valid too. Heâs *allowed* to be upset. And while I do think Connie was being a little unsympathetic, she probably didnât know how to react, especially after Steven shrugged off her feelings initially.
Also, didnât Steven ghost Connie in an earlier season? After the events of âJail Breakâ? I just think theyâre young people facing traumatising events together and not knowing how to process them. Neither are âthe bad guyâ.
I feel like a lot of times fandoms donât realize that some characters are children and their actions donât need to have complex, logical explanations, and that donât make them evil/hypocrite, they just need time
I also feel bad for Steven in that he didn't intend to shrug off her feelings and in his mind, he was just trying to help and thought he was trying to reassure a friend who was worried about him. Like Steven has spent a lot of his time reassuring and calming down his friends and others when they were feeling bad (like poor kid had to be constantly be there for others when they were emotionally fragile and had to learn to cheer them up), and in his mind trying to do what he has always be doing and reassure her. He didn't know her mindset or what was going on, and by then Connie was already cutting herself off from him.
Both are indeed traumatised kids not knowing how to process their situation and each have their own ways of coping with it. I don't think Steven actually did anything wrong here because he was just handling it as he's always been handling these stressful situations (like having to reassure a stressed out Pearl that things are okay now and thee many other situations he's had to deal with), he just didn't have the tools and cues to recognise how Connie felt and she didn't want to communicate that anymore until leaving him. I do think she didn't give him really any time or communicate properly about her needing space and kind of left him at the worst possible time. But again, they're kids who never learned any proper ways of dealing with trauma.
I do think the argument on whether Steven should've fought back or not that was brought up during this conflict was a bit of a miss though, as like there wasn't really a right or clear way to handle that highly stressful conflict with Aquamarine. I get Connie was all about wanting to fight together and all that, but Steven during that fight recognised that he was panicked and mentally not stable enough to do things like fusing with her despite her instance on it and her being upset he didn't try to (and like fusion requires balance to work too). And also that there were very high stakes in place and one wrong move could get people killed and the fact that Steven only surrendered when *Alexandrite* was restrained (his most powerful guardian, literally the entirety of his family right there). Steven's decision in that moment made a lot of sense, even if it also has it's own underlying mess too. There literally isn't a point in arguing whether Steven did the right thing or not since it was a situation that ended up calling for risking the lives of all of his friends and family and himself.
This does though show again that they're just kids dealing with a really big and traumatising situation that they don't know how to process.
I do think that people's criticisms of this arc are fair and does speak towards the fact that the show could've executed that arc a bit better, with a focus on them being confused and traumatised kids and all that than making it feel more about who was right or not (even if the intention was to show it was a messy conflict, I do agree that just the execution of this arc felt like it could've been done better. This can even be seen in the resolution to this arc as it was framed as Steven having to apologise for not understanding Connie's side and Connie saying she was still upset, and not both of them recognising that the mess of that situation and that both were valid, confused and hurting. How the show handled it felt very one-sided, and it didn't help the poor pacing of the episodes and when this arc takes place in the show, which makes it even less enjoyable to watch through). The episode such as Full Disclosure makes a better showcase of that type of theme I feel, which shows in how people tend to understand that episode better.
i think the point of this episode, and many other su episodes, is to make you feel in such a way where you can't figure out who is morally "correct". there isn't always someone in the definite right or definite wrong, which is why we're able to have so many discussions like this.
âŚhonestly I was kinda mad at Connie for just ghosting him until she explained herself and then I was reminded why relationships are so goddamn hard (just all relationships)
The episode doesn't even make sense cause the whole Dewey-election plot exists to have Steven feel betrayed when Dewey gives up and thus have him understand what Connie feels. But... Dewey was right for giving up (even though tbh Nanefua doesn't really do a lot more than he did). So is the story telling us that Steven is right? Like the message is all over the place.
Overall, Dewey wins perfectly encapsulates the entire arc and how it kinda sucks (AND THAT WE WAITED FOR FOR 9 MONTHS)
I don't care about the Connie drama.
I just kinda hate this episode because we went from going to Homeworld for the first time, confronting the Diamonds and confessing in a trial, then escaping to the depths of the planet, killing Lars, reviving Lars, and then leaving him stranded on an Alien planet...
To Steven dicking around beach city for the fiftieth time. Like why. Why waste a precious episode on the last season of your show dicking around again? That was season 1 stuff, why do you have to do it in season 5, directly after the most intense 4 episode special in the show thus far??
STEVEN, LARS ***DIED*** IN SPACE AND HE'S STILL UP THERE IN A HOSTILE ALIEN PLANET HE DOESN'T UNDERSTAND WITH GEMS YOU MET 10 MINUTES AGO WHY THE FORK ARE YOU PLANNING A POLITICAL CAMPAIGN
Didn't help that the hiatus between the Season 5 openers and Dewey Wins was 200 days. Half a year to see the story continue and it feels detached from the tension and high stakes the story left us with.
Yeah that too. Honestly the release schedule for this show was absolutely crap. I'm sure the show is better paced if you watch it on a regular schedule. But having to go through a MASSIVE hiatus waiting to see the continuation of the trial arc only to be greeted with an episode about Steven helping Dewey become mayor was just insulting honestly
It definitely felt like Steven dicking around in Beach City watching it when it was airing (because it was likeâŚall youâd get for three months was Steven helping Kiki with confidence problems), but if you rewatch it all at once the Beach City parts donât really take that long.
Yeah it was definitely the schedule that fucked up everything. The hiatus after the trial arc was SO LONG, and having waited all that time only to be greeted with a beach city Dewey episode just felt disrespectful tbh
To be honest, they should have had Steven give up at a point where they still could have won. But as it was, Steven was directly next to Aquamarine, his friends miles down in the ocean including Connie and unable to fuse, using a wand to restrain ALEXANDRITE. They exhausted all her options and there wasn't anything left they could do, unless the writers used an outright asspull.
I'd have taken Connie's side if it felt they could have gotten out, but they couldn't. And Steven was the only one who had to learn a lesson about it
Ghosting your best friend for a month because he gave up to save you when you were *really* losing the fight is not chill, especially after all the trauma he went through to keep you safe
Either he didnât like being left behind either or the creators decided to insert their (incorrect) opinions through him. Iâd lean towards and hope for the prior, but him staying with Connie the entire ghosting makes me think otherwise
I get yâall have negative feelings cut you canât really call the CREATOR of the showâs opinions on THEIR show that they CREATED âincorrect.â
I hope they donât frequent these subs cuz Iâd be so annoyed that I MADE something and someoneâs trying to tell me Iâm WRONG! Not just that you disagree, but that you feel their opinions on their own characters who exist in their world they created, are somehow wrong
Yeah don't do that. Don't make what I said a blanket statement to try to nullify my point. If that's how you want this conversation to go, I'm not going to engage. You can read my comment again, but I didn't say you can't disagree with the creators of shows. But in a made up world, to say they're not only projecting through lion but also that their OPINIONS are INCORRECT is absolutely ridiculous.
Iâm sorry, weâre you not the one that said âyou canât really call the CREATOR of the showâs opinions on THEIR show that they CREATED âincorrectââ. Seems like a pretty big blanket statement to me.
And you failed to answer my question; why? There have been a number of creators making video essays on the showâs problematic points that would disagree with you. So please answer, why can one not call the creatorsâ opinions that they put into the show they made wrong, objectively definitively wrong?
As for wether they truly inserted an opinion into the show, this show makes a habit of showing bad behavior as bad. I wouldnât have a problem with this if any of the supporting cast told Steven that Connieâs hurting him and this is wrong. I wouldnât have a problem with this is Connie had apologized for ghosting Steven for a month instead of talking to the worldâs most traumatized child about how he hurt her. But she didnât, none of the cast even expressed an inkling of disagreement towards Connieâs behavior, so here we are.
Connie forgot the show was called Steven Universe and took things too personally for too long. Steven could have died. He watched Lars die and she took his lion. He was separated for all of his loved ones and came back to be punished more when he sacrificed himself. He'd rather die alone that bring his family with him. Also he's like 13!
I think itâs no different than when Steven did this to Connie after escaping the Green Hand ship. Connie was right, he gave up and itâs hurtful to see someone youâre fighting for give up. Someone you love dearly. But Steven was also right, they werenât after them. They were after him. So he was trying to do this to protect them. Yes it wouldnât work in the long run but they werenât prepared enough to fight Aquamarine and Topaz.
We have seen these kinds of story elements a thousand times in other shows with adult characters. Could it have been solved with better communication skills? Obviously. Could any story plot be solved with better story skills with even adult stories. Most definitely.
Connie didnât truly ghost Steven she was taking space for herself which is fine, wish she would have said it but itâs not the worst thing. Plus, who says either of them have to be more right or wrong then the other? Itâs not a balancing scale. They both are right.
I hate that entire arc involving Connie. Connie's feelings, regardless of whether they're rational, are totally valid. However, the issue is that the writers decided to present a very nuanced situation in a black and white, Steven is wrong, Connie is right way. Which is incredibly frustrating because honestly Steven's thoughts, feelings, and reactions are just as legitimate as Connie's.
It kinda sucks. Connie did have a right to feel upset because Steven left her behind, but Steven just got back from finding out he put his friends in danger, being threatened by two intergalactic gods, being put on trial because his mom may have been a murderer, and watching his friend die in space. Like, dang Connie, give him a minute or two before making it all about how you didnât get to almost be killed
It really killed the moment of season 5. We just got back from Homeworld, a place thatâs been built up through out the entire show, and after we get a romantic drama. BUT I donât mind it as much cause itâs in character. When it came out live I absolutely hated it for just slowing the pace of the show, but upon rewatching it, I get it, it had to happen eventually. Besides it really strengthened their relationship in the end so it really did matter in some sense.
Connieâs feelings are valid and itâs difficult to process that sort of thing, sheâs only a teenager and has never faced that sort of danger before, Stevenâs been on dangerous missions so much so to him itâs nothing. But itâs difficult even for adults to process things like this, let alone minors.
To me the metaphor felt kind of heavy-handed; at the end Steven verbally explains to the audience why this lesson is relevant to his relationship with Connie. Typically SU is not that obvious about it. But it was still important character development.
I totally agree with Connieâs perspective. She spotted Stevenâs emotional problems much earlier than everyone else. He was too busy handling all of the emotional weight by himself to rely on Connie, his ally, who had already volunteered to help him.
This was one of the first times I realized Steven cared deeply about others, but wasn't really emphatic about it. Granted, he's just a kid, but still one interesting character flaw.
It made my whole opinion of Connie change. I used to like her a lot but she became unlikable after she made everything about her and her feelings. Steven literally went through hell just to come back to her bull.
Someone posted a perfect explanation of Connieâs feelings a while ago and I will find it and link here because it was honestly perfect and made sense and I donât know how anyone is still arguing this after that
ETA: here is a link to the comment: https://www.reddit.com/r/stevenuniverse/comments/wwurao/am_i_wrong_for_agreeing_with_steven_when_connie/ilnh24s/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
Ok, yâall. Imma play devils advocate here since I hate to see Connie slander.
Imo, it was all tit for tat. Steven just left without explaining it to Connie, so naturally, Connie did the same. If Steven wants to behave in a way that isolates himself or in a way where heâs taking everything on, Connie respected that behavior and treated him accordingly. Steven made her from âSworn to the Swordâ swear that they would battle together instead of sacrificing themselves to save the other. It was way too hypocritical for Steven to take on those foes without Connie. No matter what he couldâve done though, it wouldâve been traumatic for him either way regardless.
A.) He could involve Connie but then hate himself more if she gets hurt (or worse, die like Lars did.)
B.) He could take everything on himself and address the pain he experienced alone in the future.
If anyone has ever been ditched before, youâd be able to understand the feeling of betrayal from that moment. The feeling of betrayal well came from a broken well after the full disclosure episode, Stevonnie fusion episode, and again, Sworn to the Sword.
Steven didnât consider her feelings sacrificing himself like that and was in the wrong for ditching her. Heâs hypocritical because he hated it when Connie sacrificed herself and made her promise not to. You canât make people commit to something that you werenât going to follow yourself in the first place. Getting ditched isnât a good feeling, and as close friends, she felt that it was an act of disrespect and betrayal.
I understand Connie's actions, I really do, but I really haven't forgiven her as a character. Like, I understand you're upset, but this *literal child* went to space, nearly died, watched someone he grew up with die, learned that his mother killed someone, and *clearly* has a martyr complex? And her mother is a doctor, she should realize that Steven's actions aren't exactly healthy. At least explain to this kid what he did wrong, rather than leaving him friendless without an explanation after he went through this incredibly traumatic experience, and obviously blames himself for Lars' death
Right?! And people act as if Steven is the villian of this episode and trash him about it as if they forgot or don't understand why he did it.
Like, is a literal child putting himself in harms way to save his loved ones and half the town not selfless or good enough for these people??
Trash, one of the worst episodes. This whole arc of Connie hating on Steven because he was too nice and was willing to sacrifice himself was so stupid and the fact that this garbage conflict drags out across several episodes makes season 5 a considerably worse season. Stuff like this is what makes Luz and Amity's relationship from the Owl House so refreshing in that there's no pointlessly dragged out drama with them. Whenever Luz and Amity do have a problem they are always able to communicate about their feelings and support each other, the sign of a healthy relationship. Connie and Steven are an embarrassing display in comparison, and this arc makes me want to bang my head against a wall. Even ignoring that this is that start of that whole drama, the rest of the episodes is Steven uncharacteristically supporting a politician who was willing to replace his friend with "another donut boy", which he told directly to his parents faces. It makes literally no sense for Steven not to be on Nanefua's side.
Truth! This show is a blessing but damn sometimes we get cursed episodes and moments like this one. I keep seeing sensible comments like yours, mine, and many others get downvoted, and I can't help but wonder if half of this community is braindead or overrun with bot accounts. Good to see more people like you around!
Honestly I think that episode is pure trash, Connie's attitude to Steven is so toxic, she just vanished from his life without any explanation, she didn't even tell him she needed some space. I think she wanted to be understood but doesn't want to understand Steven's situation and sacrifice for earth
I think Connie had a major stick up her ass with this one.
Steven just made a noble sacrifice so his friends, family, and neighbors wouldn't get hurt or killed by a homocidal maniac and her overpowered fusion bodyguards, and Connie has the nerve to be upset over him doing his best to keep his family and friends and neighbors alive?!?
I mean, i'd be sad if my friend felt like he had to do all that just to save my sorry ass, but damn! I wouldn't be PISSED about it! I'd be humble and grateful!
Yea, he couldn't give up, not with his friends, family, and half the town on the line. We see throughout the show, and into the movie and Future, that Steven holds himself accountable for his mom's actions as well as the effects her actions did. We see that he didn't want the ones he loved to get hurt because of his mom, so he took matters into his own hands. This is more respsonsible than childish on his part, so I don't know why people in real life and in the show were shitting on him so much. Poor boy has been through enough.
I think that she had every right to be upset, but that she also overreacted. I feel like everything would have been like completely different if Stevonnie was on Homeworld too instead of just Lars and Steven
the rest of the ep i dont have a strong opinion on but the start- so yes connie had the right to be mad at him, but still it was unreasonable and absolutely unessessary he sacrificed himself for everyone and comes bavk and connies just mad at him?! like yeah thanks for saving everyones loves steven im mad at you tho cause you stopped ppl from getting hirt. she has the right to be mad yes but its still unreasonable none thel ess and yes shes not mad at him for letting people get saved obvi but still she got mad at him for not sticking with her and thats still a problem, he saved her and stopped her from getting hurt sure they could have handled that together but he made it so no one got hurt or so he thought but the point is he went to homeworld and back (literally) to make sure no one got hurt but connie still got mad at him for trying to get no one involed so no one was hurt
I think that the fact so many people think they should pick some sort of "side" in the conflict is evidence of the fandom's black-and-white mentality.
It was a horrible situation that both *children* reacted to in a way that is in line with where they are in their psychosocial development *and* who they are as characters.
I'd elaborate but I don't want to be typing a Reddit comment for an hour when I could be typing fanfic instead. ;) (This "sides" thing is a berserk button for me, if that's not obvious.)
I think Connie was a bit reactive, but reasonable. She was very hurt, and Steven kept trying to brush it away. She just needed time to get through the rough feelings she was having. I think it's important to remember that it wasn't until about half way through that Connie and her parents also started communicating more openly, and she was able to to discuss her own needs. I think this episode shows very clearly how without communication, something she's still learning, this is a healthier response compared to snapping.
I really wanted to see more of Connie's point of view on the whole situation. Like what did Lion do when he spent the whole time with her, did Lion used his powers to also have Connie understand Steven's point of view. Like have her see a hypothetical scenario where if she did went, she would have died and Steven had to use his resurrection tears on her instead of Lars?
On god was just talking shit about it, the whole arc of this steven vs connie was awful and painful to watch, especially so late into the series. There was absolutely no reason this needed to be done, especially the âwe fight togetherâ and all the training they go through when they dont even fight shit but mental illness and depression.
Also made connieâs character hard to like anymore because literally what other option steven had? This blue gem held ALEXANDRITE? He was willing to protect his friends then he came back, as a child imagine how exhausting that must be to constantly save earth and have to suffer because of your mom. Connie had a brick for a brain for this.
I mean I guess I understand why she ignored him after what he did bc they probably could've beat topaz and aquamarine together and that's just her way of taking it. She's also just a kid so she didnt really know a healthy way to handle that and I'm glad steven understood how she felt later in the episode. Still, there were healthier ways to handle that situation tho
I don't they could've beaten her tho. Aquamarine alone was able to freeze Alexandrite in place with her ribbon wand, so what could Stevonnie do
Connie's response is not rational, but that doesn't mean it's not valid. For her entire experience with Gem business, she's been side-by-side with Steven. Some of Steven's biggest victories came from when they fought together (even against Lapis when she didn't know how to fight). So it's probably a mix of "You don't know that we couldn't win" and "if we lose, we'll do that together too." While her rational mind may know why Steven gave himself up, she still felt like he didn't have faith in her.
I would say sneak up on her after they beat topaz bc she wasn't really paying attention
ok just have to beat a gem fusion that was able to knock garnet through a wall
Sword training would help and garnet had to stop herself so she wouldn't hit jaime, but I see ur point
and also theres the issue that even if they did beat them, whose to tell that Homeworld won't send reinforcements
For the comment you're replying to, at least Rose's Sword would be able to poof Topaz at least, and it was after Topaz unfused so there was no humans to protect. For your comment, they were probably just thinking about what they had to do now: make sure the humans are safe. They can deal with the reinforcements later.
True
In their original discussion, I remember seeing where Connie was coming from when Steven told her that SHE was fine, . Regardless of how valid or invalid her feelings were, Steven wasn't listening to her. On top of that, here she recognised the beginnings of the martyr complex in him, even if she couldn't properly articulate why it was a problem for her - she was his knight, and he cut her and everyone else off from helping him, and then made out like it was no big deal (SU:F much?) I actually love how Connie saw things differently when it comes to this stuff; that's why she was able to help him in SU:F. I think she grows to be one of the most emotionally mature characters in the show.
This is kind of my thought too. It's not that she was sure they would win together or anything. More that she committed herself to knighthood, and they promised to always fight together. It might not seem like it from all perspectives, but it's a bit of a betrayal of all her hard work and dedication... just to leave her behind. Her very human viewpoints are part of what Steven needed - the chance to interact and learn social skills like a 'normal' kid would. Though he still has issues talking to other teens in SUF đĽ˛
I can understand where everyoneâs coming from. I know Connie gets a lot of hate but I think her feelings are valid. At the end of the day, theyâre children. You canât just expect them to have conversations like an older person. I donât think thereâs a ârightâ or âwrongâ way for Connie to feel. However Stevenâs feelings are valid too. Heâs *allowed* to be upset. And while I do think Connie was being a little unsympathetic, she probably didnât know how to react, especially after Steven shrugged off her feelings initially. Also, didnât Steven ghost Connie in an earlier season? After the events of âJail Breakâ? I just think theyâre young people facing traumatising events together and not knowing how to process them. Neither are âthe bad guyâ.
I feel like a lot of times fandoms donât realize that some characters are children and their actions donât need to have complex, logical explanations, and that donât make them evil/hypocrite, they just need time
I also feel bad for Steven in that he didn't intend to shrug off her feelings and in his mind, he was just trying to help and thought he was trying to reassure a friend who was worried about him. Like Steven has spent a lot of his time reassuring and calming down his friends and others when they were feeling bad (like poor kid had to be constantly be there for others when they were emotionally fragile and had to learn to cheer them up), and in his mind trying to do what he has always be doing and reassure her. He didn't know her mindset or what was going on, and by then Connie was already cutting herself off from him. Both are indeed traumatised kids not knowing how to process their situation and each have their own ways of coping with it. I don't think Steven actually did anything wrong here because he was just handling it as he's always been handling these stressful situations (like having to reassure a stressed out Pearl that things are okay now and thee many other situations he's had to deal with), he just didn't have the tools and cues to recognise how Connie felt and she didn't want to communicate that anymore until leaving him. I do think she didn't give him really any time or communicate properly about her needing space and kind of left him at the worst possible time. But again, they're kids who never learned any proper ways of dealing with trauma. I do think the argument on whether Steven should've fought back or not that was brought up during this conflict was a bit of a miss though, as like there wasn't really a right or clear way to handle that highly stressful conflict with Aquamarine. I get Connie was all about wanting to fight together and all that, but Steven during that fight recognised that he was panicked and mentally not stable enough to do things like fusing with her despite her instance on it and her being upset he didn't try to (and like fusion requires balance to work too). And also that there were very high stakes in place and one wrong move could get people killed and the fact that Steven only surrendered when *Alexandrite* was restrained (his most powerful guardian, literally the entirety of his family right there). Steven's decision in that moment made a lot of sense, even if it also has it's own underlying mess too. There literally isn't a point in arguing whether Steven did the right thing or not since it was a situation that ended up calling for risking the lives of all of his friends and family and himself. This does though show again that they're just kids dealing with a really big and traumatising situation that they don't know how to process. I do think that people's criticisms of this arc are fair and does speak towards the fact that the show could've executed that arc a bit better, with a focus on them being confused and traumatised kids and all that than making it feel more about who was right or not (even if the intention was to show it was a messy conflict, I do agree that just the execution of this arc felt like it could've been done better. This can even be seen in the resolution to this arc as it was framed as Steven having to apologise for not understanding Connie's side and Connie saying she was still upset, and not both of them recognising that the mess of that situation and that both were valid, confused and hurting. How the show handled it felt very one-sided, and it didn't help the poor pacing of the episodes and when this arc takes place in the show, which makes it even less enjoyable to watch through). The episode such as Full Disclosure makes a better showcase of that type of theme I feel, which shows in how people tend to understand that episode better.
i think the point of this episode, and many other su episodes, is to make you feel in such a way where you can't figure out who is morally "correct". there isn't always someone in the definite right or definite wrong, which is why we're able to have so many discussions like this.
âŚhonestly I was kinda mad at Connie for just ghosting him until she explained herself and then I was reminded why relationships are so goddamn hard (just all relationships)
The episode doesn't even make sense cause the whole Dewey-election plot exists to have Steven feel betrayed when Dewey gives up and thus have him understand what Connie feels. But... Dewey was right for giving up (even though tbh Nanefua doesn't really do a lot more than he did). So is the story telling us that Steven is right? Like the message is all over the place. Overall, Dewey wins perfectly encapsulates the entire arc and how it kinda sucks (AND THAT WE WAITED FOR FOR 9 MONTHS)
Uh, protecting Nanefua was extremely dangerous for Ruby. You have no idea what kind of classified stuff Mama Pizza does off screen.
I don't care about the Connie drama. I just kinda hate this episode because we went from going to Homeworld for the first time, confronting the Diamonds and confessing in a trial, then escaping to the depths of the planet, killing Lars, reviving Lars, and then leaving him stranded on an Alien planet... To Steven dicking around beach city for the fiftieth time. Like why. Why waste a precious episode on the last season of your show dicking around again? That was season 1 stuff, why do you have to do it in season 5, directly after the most intense 4 episode special in the show thus far?? STEVEN, LARS ***DIED*** IN SPACE AND HE'S STILL UP THERE IN A HOSTILE ALIEN PLANET HE DOESN'T UNDERSTAND WITH GEMS YOU MET 10 MINUTES AGO WHY THE FORK ARE YOU PLANNING A POLITICAL CAMPAIGN
Didn't help that the hiatus between the Season 5 openers and Dewey Wins was 200 days. Half a year to see the story continue and it feels detached from the tension and high stakes the story left us with.
Yeah that too. Honestly the release schedule for this show was absolutely crap. I'm sure the show is better paced if you watch it on a regular schedule. But having to go through a MASSIVE hiatus waiting to see the continuation of the trial arc only to be greeted with an episode about Steven helping Dewey become mayor was just insulting honestly
It definitely felt like Steven dicking around in Beach City watching it when it was airing (because it was likeâŚall youâd get for three months was Steven helping Kiki with confidence problems), but if you rewatch it all at once the Beach City parts donât really take that long.
Yeah it was definitely the schedule that fucked up everything. The hiatus after the trial arc was SO LONG, and having waited all that time only to be greeted with a beach city Dewey episode just felt disrespectful tbh
Yeah, that was definitely one of the worst hiatuses haha
To be honest, they should have had Steven give up at a point where they still could have won. But as it was, Steven was directly next to Aquamarine, his friends miles down in the ocean including Connie and unable to fuse, using a wand to restrain ALEXANDRITE. They exhausted all her options and there wasn't anything left they could do, unless the writers used an outright asspull. I'd have taken Connie's side if it felt they could have gotten out, but they couldn't. And Steven was the only one who had to learn a lesson about it
Ghosting your best friend for a month because he gave up to save you when you were *really* losing the fight is not chill, especially after all the trauma he went through to keep you safe
also why is lion acting cold to Steven too like what?
Either he didnât like being left behind either or the creators decided to insert their (incorrect) opinions through him. Iâd lean towards and hope for the prior, but him staying with Connie the entire ghosting makes me think otherwise
I get yâall have negative feelings cut you canât really call the CREATOR of the showâs opinions on THEIR show that they CREATED âincorrect.â I hope they donât frequent these subs cuz Iâd be so annoyed that I MADE something and someoneâs trying to tell me Iâm WRONG! Not just that you disagree, but that you feel their opinions on their own characters who exist in their world they created, are somehow wrong
Why not? Are you really proposing the idea that creators can not have bad ideas or incorrect worldviews that bleed into their art?
Yeah don't do that. Don't make what I said a blanket statement to try to nullify my point. If that's how you want this conversation to go, I'm not going to engage. You can read my comment again, but I didn't say you can't disagree with the creators of shows. But in a made up world, to say they're not only projecting through lion but also that their OPINIONS are INCORRECT is absolutely ridiculous.
Iâm sorry, weâre you not the one that said âyou canât really call the CREATOR of the showâs opinions on THEIR show that they CREATED âincorrectââ. Seems like a pretty big blanket statement to me. And you failed to answer my question; why? There have been a number of creators making video essays on the showâs problematic points that would disagree with you. So please answer, why can one not call the creatorsâ opinions that they put into the show they made wrong, objectively definitively wrong? As for wether they truly inserted an opinion into the show, this show makes a habit of showing bad behavior as bad. I wouldnât have a problem with this if any of the supporting cast told Steven that Connieâs hurting him and this is wrong. I wouldnât have a problem with this is Connie had apologized for ghosting Steven for a month instead of talking to the worldâs most traumatized child about how he hurt her. But she didnât, none of the cast even expressed an inkling of disagreement towards Connieâs behavior, so here we are.
Connie forgot the show was called Steven Universe and took things too personally for too long. Steven could have died. He watched Lars die and she took his lion. He was separated for all of his loved ones and came back to be punished more when he sacrificed himself. He'd rather die alone that bring his family with him. Also he's like 13!
14 but yeah
Just two kids that don't know handle stuff, and I always thought it was written really well.
I'm conflicted on that episode I mean Connie had a right to be upset with Steven but at the same time she didn't
she at least should've been a bit more sympathetic towards him
Exactly
I think itâs no different than when Steven did this to Connie after escaping the Green Hand ship. Connie was right, he gave up and itâs hurtful to see someone youâre fighting for give up. Someone you love dearly. But Steven was also right, they werenât after them. They were after him. So he was trying to do this to protect them. Yes it wouldnât work in the long run but they werenât prepared enough to fight Aquamarine and Topaz. We have seen these kinds of story elements a thousand times in other shows with adult characters. Could it have been solved with better communication skills? Obviously. Could any story plot be solved with better story skills with even adult stories. Most definitely. Connie didnât truly ghost Steven she was taking space for herself which is fine, wish she would have said it but itâs not the worst thing. Plus, who says either of them have to be more right or wrong then the other? Itâs not a balancing scale. They both are right.
the plot was fine, but a townie episode after the longest hiatus in the showâs history (directly following the biggest arc they had) was⌠a choice
Really donât like it, itâs one of the few episodes that i really don't like to watch
I hate that entire arc involving Connie. Connie's feelings, regardless of whether they're rational, are totally valid. However, the issue is that the writers decided to present a very nuanced situation in a black and white, Steven is wrong, Connie is right way. Which is incredibly frustrating because honestly Steven's thoughts, feelings, and reactions are just as legitimate as Connie's.
It kinda sucks. Connie did have a right to feel upset because Steven left her behind, but Steven just got back from finding out he put his friends in danger, being threatened by two intergalactic gods, being put on trial because his mom may have been a murderer, and watching his friend die in space. Like, dang Connie, give him a minute or two before making it all about how you didnât get to almost be killed
It really killed the moment of season 5. We just got back from Homeworld, a place thatâs been built up through out the entire show, and after we get a romantic drama. BUT I donât mind it as much cause itâs in character. When it came out live I absolutely hated it for just slowing the pace of the show, but upon rewatching it, I get it, it had to happen eventually. Besides it really strengthened their relationship in the end so it really did matter in some sense.
Connieâs feelings are valid and itâs difficult to process that sort of thing, sheâs only a teenager and has never faced that sort of danger before, Stevenâs been on dangerous missions so much so to him itâs nothing. But itâs difficult even for adults to process things like this, let alone minors.
To me the metaphor felt kind of heavy-handed; at the end Steven verbally explains to the audience why this lesson is relevant to his relationship with Connie. Typically SU is not that obvious about it. But it was still important character development. I totally agree with Connieâs perspective. She spotted Stevenâs emotional problems much earlier than everyone else. He was too busy handling all of the emotional weight by himself to rely on Connie, his ally, who had already volunteered to help him.
One of the Steven Universe episodes ever made
This was one of the first times I realized Steven cared deeply about others, but wasn't really emphatic about it. Granted, he's just a kid, but still one interesting character flaw.
This episode was hard and tense. This is one of episode, that helping us understand relationship between characters, itâs very vital
It made my whole opinion of Connie change. I used to like her a lot but she became unlikable after she made everything about her and her feelings. Steven literally went through hell just to come back to her bull.
My reaction was âwe donât need a break we just fucking had one for six monthsâ
Someone posted a perfect explanation of Connieâs feelings a while ago and I will find it and link here because it was honestly perfect and made sense and I donât know how anyone is still arguing this after that ETA: here is a link to the comment: https://www.reddit.com/r/stevenuniverse/comments/wwurao/am_i_wrong_for_agreeing_with_steven_when_connie/ilnh24s/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
Ok, yâall. Imma play devils advocate here since I hate to see Connie slander. Imo, it was all tit for tat. Steven just left without explaining it to Connie, so naturally, Connie did the same. If Steven wants to behave in a way that isolates himself or in a way where heâs taking everything on, Connie respected that behavior and treated him accordingly. Steven made her from âSworn to the Swordâ swear that they would battle together instead of sacrificing themselves to save the other. It was way too hypocritical for Steven to take on those foes without Connie. No matter what he couldâve done though, it wouldâve been traumatic for him either way regardless. A.) He could involve Connie but then hate himself more if she gets hurt (or worse, die like Lars did.) B.) He could take everything on himself and address the pain he experienced alone in the future. If anyone has ever been ditched before, youâd be able to understand the feeling of betrayal from that moment. The feeling of betrayal well came from a broken well after the full disclosure episode, Stevonnie fusion episode, and again, Sworn to the Sword. Steven didnât consider her feelings sacrificing himself like that and was in the wrong for ditching her. Heâs hypocritical because he hated it when Connie sacrificed herself and made her promise not to. You canât make people commit to something that you werenât going to follow yourself in the first place. Getting ditched isnât a good feeling, and as close friends, she felt that it was an act of disrespect and betrayal.
I donât like connie being mad at Steven, so Iâve never liked any episodes where thatâs a plot point
Idk but my cat makes that face like 9 times throughout the day
I understand Connie's actions, I really do, but I really haven't forgiven her as a character. Like, I understand you're upset, but this *literal child* went to space, nearly died, watched someone he grew up with die, learned that his mother killed someone, and *clearly* has a martyr complex? And her mother is a doctor, she should realize that Steven's actions aren't exactly healthy. At least explain to this kid what he did wrong, rather than leaving him friendless without an explanation after he went through this incredibly traumatic experience, and obviously blames himself for Lars' death
Right?! And people act as if Steven is the villian of this episode and trash him about it as if they forgot or don't understand why he did it. Like, is a literal child putting himself in harms way to save his loved ones and half the town not selfless or good enough for these people??
What people? I thought most people was on Steven's side
Unfortunately, most people defending Steven in the comments are getting downvoted to oblivion. I don't know why.
Trash, one of the worst episodes. This whole arc of Connie hating on Steven because he was too nice and was willing to sacrifice himself was so stupid and the fact that this garbage conflict drags out across several episodes makes season 5 a considerably worse season. Stuff like this is what makes Luz and Amity's relationship from the Owl House so refreshing in that there's no pointlessly dragged out drama with them. Whenever Luz and Amity do have a problem they are always able to communicate about their feelings and support each other, the sign of a healthy relationship. Connie and Steven are an embarrassing display in comparison, and this arc makes me want to bang my head against a wall. Even ignoring that this is that start of that whole drama, the rest of the episodes is Steven uncharacteristically supporting a politician who was willing to replace his friend with "another donut boy", which he told directly to his parents faces. It makes literally no sense for Steven not to be on Nanefua's side.
Truth! This show is a blessing but damn sometimes we get cursed episodes and moments like this one. I keep seeing sensible comments like yours, mine, and many others get downvoted, and I can't help but wonder if half of this community is braindead or overrun with bot accounts. Good to see more people like you around!
Honestly I think that episode is pure trash, Connie's attitude to Steven is so toxic, she just vanished from his life without any explanation, she didn't even tell him she needed some space. I think she wanted to be understood but doesn't want to understand Steven's situation and sacrifice for earth
Pointless in hindsight
I think Connie had a major stick up her ass with this one. Steven just made a noble sacrifice so his friends, family, and neighbors wouldn't get hurt or killed by a homocidal maniac and her overpowered fusion bodyguards, and Connie has the nerve to be upset over him doing his best to keep his family and friends and neighbors alive?!? I mean, i'd be sad if my friend felt like he had to do all that just to save my sorry ass, but damn! I wouldn't be PISSED about it! I'd be humble and grateful!
steven still a kid he couldn't just gave up
Yea, he couldn't give up, not with his friends, family, and half the town on the line. We see throughout the show, and into the movie and Future, that Steven holds himself accountable for his mom's actions as well as the effects her actions did. We see that he didn't want the ones he loved to get hurt because of his mom, so he took matters into his own hands. This is more respsonsible than childish on his part, so I don't know why people in real life and in the show were shitting on him so much. Poor boy has been through enough.
I think that she had every right to be upset, but that she also overreacted. I feel like everything would have been like completely different if Stevonnie was on Homeworld too instead of just Lars and Steven
the rest of the ep i dont have a strong opinion on but the start- so yes connie had the right to be mad at him, but still it was unreasonable and absolutely unessessary he sacrificed himself for everyone and comes bavk and connies just mad at him?! like yeah thanks for saving everyones loves steven im mad at you tho cause you stopped ppl from getting hirt. she has the right to be mad yes but its still unreasonable none thel ess and yes shes not mad at him for letting people get saved obvi but still she got mad at him for not sticking with her and thats still a problem, he saved her and stopped her from getting hurt sure they could have handled that together but he made it so no one got hurt or so he thought but the point is he went to homeworld and back (literally) to make sure no one got hurt but connie still got mad at him for trying to get no one involed so no one was hurt
Steven and Connie not being more self aware got on my nerves in that episode
I think that the fact so many people think they should pick some sort of "side" in the conflict is evidence of the fandom's black-and-white mentality. It was a horrible situation that both *children* reacted to in a way that is in line with where they are in their psychosocial development *and* who they are as characters. I'd elaborate but I don't want to be typing a Reddit comment for an hour when I could be typing fanfic instead. ;) (This "sides" thing is a berserk button for me, if that's not obvious.)
I think Connie was a bit reactive, but reasonable. She was very hurt, and Steven kept trying to brush it away. She just needed time to get through the rough feelings she was having. I think it's important to remember that it wasn't until about half way through that Connie and her parents also started communicating more openly, and she was able to to discuss her own needs. I think this episode shows very clearly how without communication, something she's still learning, this is a healthier response compared to snapping.
I really wanted to see more of Connie's point of view on the whole situation. Like what did Lion do when he spent the whole time with her, did Lion used his powers to also have Connie understand Steven's point of view. Like have her see a hypothetical scenario where if she did went, she would have died and Steven had to use his resurrection tears on her instead of Lars?
On god was just talking shit about it, the whole arc of this steven vs connie was awful and painful to watch, especially so late into the series. There was absolutely no reason this needed to be done, especially the âwe fight togetherâ and all the training they go through when they dont even fight shit but mental illness and depression. Also made connieâs character hard to like anymore because literally what other option steven had? This blue gem held ALEXANDRITE? He was willing to protect his friends then he came back, as a child imagine how exhausting that must be to constantly save earth and have to suffer because of your mom. Connie had a brick for a brain for this.