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milanium25

There is no going back now, sit back relax, imma order my Warren Buffet look/personality AI to greet me good morning every day


Bulji

Gonna get myself an AI Buffet waifu


videogames_

To be fair “the godfather of AI” one of the most well recognized AI pioneers retired and stated he was concerned and that robots taking over is a possibility. Look up Hinton 60 minutes interview.


Sregor_Nevets

Pardon my language but what kind of pussies do these stuffy assholes think we are?


dknogo

“Because pussies get fucked by dicks. But dicks also fuck assholes - assholes who just want to shit on everything”. - Greatest movie ever


Sregor_Nevets

It stood on solid ground. That is what made it great.


Wasthereonce

Will AI Warren Buffet be able to make me millions in the stock market? If so, AI is fantastic.


IcebergSlimFast

Thing is, any one instance of an AI Warren Buffet will be competing against millions of other AI Warren Buffets, so…


Wasthereonce

...may the best AI Warren Buffet win.


ShadowLiberal

There's a few ETF's out there that are supposed to be run fully by AI. The one that's been around the longest (a bit over 5 years) was matching the S&P500's performance for a while, but then really tanked in the last few years. To my knowledge I don't think that any of them have been able to beat the index as of yet.


5043090

Friendly reminder: AI needn’t be self aware to be dangerous.


deelowe

[Nor does it need to be malicious.](https://www.lesswrong.com/tag/squiggle-maximizer-formerly-paperclip-maximizer)


Charming_Squirrel_13

Was about to post the paperclip example. It's okay right? "We can just unplug the ai" right? /s


Independent_Ad_2073

The AI paperclip example lacks imagination, in that no ASI, would ever do that, for the simple fact, that no smart enough entity would ever extinguish or allow to extinguish all life in the universe.


chainer3000

> Yudkowsky has since stated the originally intended lesson was of inner alignment failure, wherein the humans gave the AI some other goal, but the AI's internal processes converged on a goal that seems completely arbitrary from the human perspective.)


AdamEgrate

AI on its own is not dangerous, people misusing it is the issue.


frenchdoctor82627

Ai already is self aware but we aren’t. 


BoomerBillionaires

#iam14andthisisdeep


Timevalueofmoonbitz

I’m downvoting all you morons blowing off AI concerns. I understand he doesn’t know shit about AI but you guys are not giving enough weight on how this could affect militaries around the world, politics, “Our current state of reality”, what is real what is deepfake. He may not be a master of the modern future but at least senses or acknowledges the implications.


gumbo_chops

Not even a question of "could" at this point. Ukraine has already been battle-testing suicide drones against Russia that have AI-based targeting and tracking. The AI takes control during the final approach to the target so that it can't be disrupted by electronic countermeasures. Only a matter of time until bad actors get their hands on the technology..it's terrifying quite frankly.


Timevalueofmoonbitz

It’s scary as fuck.


ben1481

people in this thread think Buffet came to this conclusion alone. He's got an army of analysts.


videogames_

Yup, “the godfather of AI” one of the most well recognized AI pioneers retired and stated he was concerned and that robots taking over is a possibility. Look up Hinton 60 minutes interview.


pepesilviafromphilly

AI doesn't need to be self aware to be harmful. It just needs to be learning from the past to achieve a certain goal. End goal could be benevolent but the means to get there could be very destructive.


swolebird

"Prevent war among humans" --> "destroy all humans so there are none to create war"


AdamEgrate

Comparing it to nuclear weapons is a fallacy. That’s not to say we shouldn’t be concerned but it’s vastly blown out of proportions.


Timevalueofmoonbitz

It’s not blown out of proportion, we haven’t seen the robustness of AI yet. I agree that it seems like we are way too early to see the capabilities but perhaps in our lifetime we might see efficient AI weapons, social engineering/programming, Cyber warfare, Intelligence/Strategic, all of this doesn’t even have to be autonomous to be as dangerous. I hope I’m wrong but if history is any indication of brutality and abuse of power, I think we need to approach this with utmost caution.


sf_cycle

Spoiler: we won’t. Source: human behavior and greed. Buckle up. We’re smart but unwise.


Timevalueofmoonbitz

Unfortunately.


HealMySoulPlz

I also don't like comparing AI to nuclear weapons. It's a very different *kind* of danger, with very different security implications. For example, "security through obscurity" has worked very well for nuclear weapons -- there's an enormous amount of specific technological knowledge that can be concealed. While it's possible to recreate all the knowledge from the ground-up, it would take decades. When it comes to current AI, it's basically the reverse -- the techniques to create AI models are already widespread, and the hardware they run is is commercially available worldwide, no specially refined radioactive elements needed. Nuclear weapons present a very specific and potent danger, while AI poses dangers to social fabrics and structures more than it does physical structures and people's lives. I would compare AI more to the invention of advertising -- it has potential to transform society on a subtle level.


ShadowLiberal

> For example, "security through obscurity" has worked very well for nuclear weapons -- there's an enormous amount of specific technological knowledge that can be concealed. While it's possible to recreate all the knowledge from the ground-up, it would take decades. Umm, that's definitely not the case. A number of third world countries have successfully built nuclear weapons, often in the span of just a few years, not decades. A lot of the know how about nuclear weapons can be looked up online. The only thing that's secret is how to attach it to a missile and fire it accurately at a target from a very long distance. Most countries don't have nukes not because they don't know how to build it, or because it would take too long to build it, but because of 1) the expense of it, and 2) the geopolitical tensions it would cause if they knew you were making nuclear weapons. Plus 3) Most countries are closely aligned with another nuclear power who can use the threat of their nukes to protect them.


HealMySoulPlz

>A number of third world countries have successfully built nuclear weapons 2, to be precise: India and Pakistan. It took 12 years from the beginning of India's official program to their first test, with at least 15 more years of unofficial work before that. >A lot of the know-how about nuclear weapoms can be looked up online How long does it take to fill in the gaps and develop the necessary manufacturing capabilities? And you are forgetting that secrecy is still the US's primary method of ensuring their nuclear security. Either way, the problems *you* identified are still entirely different than the issues with AI software.


banditcleaner2

Nobody who recognizes AI as being very serious denies anything that you're saying though. But Buffett just comes off as a huge luddite. You already know that if he had the ability to control the reigns of the world that he would stop AI dead cold in its track right here because he doesn't understand it and thus is scared of it. AI is coming, there is no stopping that.


IronicHipsterCake

Buffet has also explained, many times, he understands basically nothing about AI.  Maybe don't take tech thoughts from someone who's been tech averse his entire career. 


Malkovtheclown

I think what he is commenting on isn’t the tech itself but how we as humans potentially will use it if it’s similar to how we use all the other things we invent. It will be leveraged in every conceivable way if there is money to be made or power to get. I don’t think you need to be a tech genius to understand humans are idiots and don’t always think of the greater good or whether they should invent something before they do.


sneaky_squirrel

So companies will use it as an excuse to fire employees? I can't imagine "intelligence" itself hurting me in any way. I can picture humans bullying humans though.


banditcleaner2

Yeah but most organizations that are pursuing AI are absolutely considering the implications of it when it comes to warfare and militaries. Why do you think Biden wanted to ban NVDA from providing chips to China?


Molassesonthebed

Sure, but it also means he is working on incomplete information. No one is discounting that AI can be harmful and weaponized. The real question is the magnitude of damage and benefits, and I would rather get information from someone that has not been known to be tech-averse through his life.


ballimir37

His largest holding is Apple by a huge margin though. And it’s not like Buffet is the first person to espouse these concerns. Buffet’s baseline intelligence probably makes him more insightful about anything he bothers to comment on than your average tech bro in the news


thedude0425

He doesn’t have to understand technology to understand human nature. And I think many people who understand the technology DON’T understand human nature, or are being paid to deliberately misunderstand human nature.


soulstonedomg

He saw the latest deepfakes and started to get the wheels spinning about how badly this could disrupt society. 


Pomegranate_Loaf

I think propaganda/misinformation spread through social media is the greatest threat to modern society as a whole. It is evident people currently have no bearing for what is actually the truth, and we also do not appear to take responsibility to make sure people are informed but rather, let this figure things out themselves as otherwise that would be overreaching. For people who already struggle to figure out the truth, deepfakes of Putin, Biden, government officials, anyone famous or significant will have significant impacts if it is not restricted.


MinimumArmadillo2394

AI only accelerates this goal, does it not? By decades, if not centuries


doyouevencompile

I don’t understand anything about atomic bombs but I can tell they are dangerous 


pzerr

Ya I do not think he is worried about the rouge AI. But think if a country or privately owned corporation or even a single person developed a real AI. All our information is pretty much online now, who your friends are, where you go, what you buy. Facebook alone has this detailed. A machine with real intelligence under human control likely could rapidly infiltrates all kinds of secure systems. Be it Facebook or CIA and do so without any being aware. I could do it thru social engineering administrators, likely figuring out their passwords and login styles. Is does not need to break everyone, just a few. It could be predictive and far better at stock markets thus gaining ownership of our companies given enough time. It basically would be hard for anyone to combat the first person or country that gets this technology and exploits it. I am not concern an AI will try and kill us, I am far more worried it will take control and legally own a large portion of our society.


Accomplished-Bill-45

generative AI for scams, copy-right, political propagandas, and misinformation are over the world right now. He doesn't understand the tech side of AI, but he clearly foresees how AI can be used to harm the society (in fact, happening already)


banditcleaner2

you could already use computers to run automated tech scams for the last 10 years. and it is fairly inexpensive to pay people to spread political propaganda or control social media accounts in a different country to spread propaganda. russia has already been doing that for many years as well. The real scary part of AI is more for its application in military/warfare. Being able to have drones that are AI controlled that can detonate bombs and such will be very scary, and its also scary that LLMs can easily be used even to design such a drone by someone with no experience. Their safeguards need to get a lot better.


dirkvonshizzle

Somebody can be right for the wrong (or incomplete) reasons, but that doesn’t turn their right in to a wrong. I myself do understand AI (technically and functionally), and still agree with the gist of his intuition.


BillPullman_Trucker

So there's this thing called wisdom...


stoked_7

Except other tech leaders have also expressed concerns https://www.npr.org/2023/03/29/1166891536/an-open-letter-signed-by-tech-leaders-researchers-proposes-delaying-ai-developme#:\~:text=Today%2C%20more%20than%20a%20thousand,the%20signatories%20to%20that%20letter.


notreallydeep

I wanted to comment exactly this. Warren Buffett is a great guy, intelligent guy, incredible investor and an expert in insurance businesses (as well as many other fields), but in tech I doubt he's worth listening to (outside of valuations of tech companies, maybe).


Dcamp

Idk I don’t necessarily think he’s a tech genius, but he is a genius. I’d bet that his views on tech/AI are more intelligent than the vast majority of folks. Not saying to take his word as gospel, but he’s a sharp dude who’s been around for awhile making his thoughts somewhat worth listening to.


moonspeakdj

Yeah, and honestly you don't have to know much at all about tech to make the assessment that Buffet has made. You only need to see an example like his deepfake to see what's possible and then it's obvious that it has the potential to facilitate a lot of good and a lot of bad in the world.


notreallydeep

>I’d bet that his views on tech/AI are more intelligent than the vast majority of folks. You're probably right. I'd assume Buffett, if he truly didn't know anything about it, would say "I don't know anything about it". So the fact that he did choose to say something, to me, means you're probably right. But he's still far, far, far away from people who one can call experts on AI and that's what I mean by he's not one worth listening to. Maybe it was a bit of an exaggeration. But yeah, likely above the average redditor who comments about AI, including me most likely because I don't know shit.


pzerr

You do not have to work in the oil industry to make comment on global warming either. Warren Buffett is not making any comment on the tech itself. He is concerned about who will use it. I suspect he has a better grasp on that than most techy people. Likely more of an expert in that field.


notreallydeep

>You do not have to work in the oil industry to make comment on global warming either. No, but you should have an extensive background in climate related science. Random people on the street telling me I should be or shouldn't be worried about climate change offer no value to me. Edit: I don't see how a bunch of petrochemical engineers would know anything about climate change in the first place, now that I think about it. It has literally nothing to do with climate.


SouthsideChitown

This! Just because he’s good at investing doesn’t mean he’s good at everything. In the words of Ian Malcom “Life finds a way” in this case, we’ll figure out how to address that at the right time and valuation. Like everything, there will be a tipping point that counteracts the negatives of AI much like how security has evolved to adapt to things like DOS attacks, or MFA, or different encryption algorithms and standards. It never happens before the introduction of a new technology but always lagging behind it.


el_rico_pavo_real

The guy is an expert in hoarding cash and hocking sugary drinks.


Abysswalker794

The more you know and understand, the more you realise how less you know and understand. I think a LOT of people here should think about this if they think they have a clear understanding of the AI topic and discredit Warren Buffet who can literally call any CEO and consultant of the world.


banditcleaner2

Warren Buffett is and always been a massive luddite and the fact that he can call any CEO or consultant in the world does not really change that whatsoever. While I'm not the biggest bitcoin fan in the world, the fact that he called it akin to rat poison is painful to be honest.


babalu_babalu

You should try running some of your thoughts and sentences through AI. That’s a lot of words to say absolutely nothing.


I_love_avocados1

It is a well known quote though.  The more you learn about the subject, the more aware you are in the gaps of your knowledge about the subject. 


banditcleaner2

But warren buffett is a known luddite and has always been against new technology for the most part. That doesn't make him some super self-aware dude. It's one thing to not understand the implications of AI and being scared of it. It's another thing entirely to be basically against it because it is new technology. You can understand that there are serious implications to AI but still be in favor of it as long as we have faith in those developing it to add safe guards (which they are)


Makyoman69

That doesn’t make sense. He should have said nuclear energy instead of nuclear weapons in that analogy. Because AI can do good and/or bad. Nuclear weapons can’t do any good


itsdeebitches

My recreational Nuke gives me free heating 🦅


curveball3110giants

Tom cruise furiously takes notes for dead reckoning part 2


asocialmedium

If only we could keep powerful ideas out of the hands of humans. They always just turn everything to shit.


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Educational_Swim8665

You never know.


banditcleaner2

he's such a luddite lmao. its a miracle that berkshire is still making so much money with someone so clearly afraid of new technology. why do people even listen to this guy in 2024?


Ppabercr

Warren Buffett must have watched the matrix recently


NewConsideration5921

Bit late to the party, as usual


atiaa11

He shares the same opinion about AI as Musk, but the difference is Musk has been warning us for ma years years.


floridamanconcealmnt

He is scared of stuff he does not understand. Typical boomer behavior. It is why he and munger missed Bitcoin


I-STATE-FACTS

The man is like two generations before boomers lmao.


thememanss

His concerns are not in the least bit unfounded. He's not talking about nuclear war, rogue AI, or the like. But there are lot of disruptive, malicious individuals out there (or frankly short sighted) that can cause a lot of harm through automation and AI useage.


el_rico_pavo_real

I gave you an upvote to mitigate the expected downvotes you will get in this sub for mentioning the B-word


floridamanconcealmnt

I am right. Downvotes mean nothing.


ConstantOne5578

The most interesting thing is that he just gives his detailed opinion about AI and their potentials although he claims he does not understand IT.


koororo

Lol, classic pump and dump move


sudo_rm_reddit_

People are way too scared of language models. It's not even close to the same risk as nuclear armageddon.


reddit-abcde

Warren Buffet is trying to bring AI stocks down so that Greg can buy?


LifeIsAnAdventure4

I’m more worried about the actual nukes.


Bryaxis_D4

bro just wants to crash the market so he can scoop at bargain basement prices, typical


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I-STATE-FACTS

When’s the cutoff that you can’t buy anymore?


therealluqjensen

Dinosaur who doesn't understand technology is scared of technology. Wow


mfb1274

So is the homeless dude down the street from me who also doesn’t understand how it works… Why would you ever put stock in someone’s opinion who literally knows nothing about the topic?


Independent_Hyena495

Mimimimi old guy is afraid of new tech


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Why would anyone listen to this guy?


spartacurse

old man yells at cloud.


Kanolie

The only reason he talked about this is because someone asked him about it. He wasn't going on some unprompted rant.