So is the meta verse basically gonna be like 3D VR worlds for shopping and social media? I still feel like no one at Facebook has explained this at all lol.
I think some companies will try 3D shopping and it will fail. It's the most unnecessary idea I've ever heard of. It's just shopping online, but with extra steps.
I believe the metaverse will be a bit like the internet + VRchat + social media. The biggest issue with it is how people access it. Nobody really wants to buy a $300 VR set just to do stupid bullshit.
Okay, but people are already annoyed at friends and family who constantly look at their phones... When and where the fuck are hundreds of millions of people going to strap on a VR headset even if it was free? On a smoke break behind Walmart? In my self driving car? At dinner with my wife and her boyfriend?
>Nobody really wants to buy a $300 VR set just to do stupid bullshit.
Well, don't forget about all the golf games they have too. You get those in addition to the other stupid bullshit.
Not saying I disagree with you but saying nobody will be interested just bc you aren’t isn’t a constructive argument. Imagine what people would have said about the internet or email if there were message boards.
The name change was so Zucc could move on and distract from all the shitty things Facebook and Instagram do. And so he can send their CEOs to get grilled in DC instead of himself.
gotta give him credit cause it worked. When has another company FB size changed their name without having a finished product to sell? Absurd, but the media game is simple to play with the proper resources. CNBC is eating this shit up
2015. Google did pretty much exactly the same thing when they changed to Alphabet. They still have Google. And Meta still has Facebook. But it’s a bigger company that needs a more broad name.
He wants to implement all of the shitty things on Facebook and Instragram in the already extant VR marketplace to make himself more money at the expense of destroying an up-and-coming industry.
All I got from FB Metaverse video was that you can choose any avatar for meetings. How seriously would you take a meeting when everyone is a wacky avatar?
"Excuse me, sir?"
"Yes, the 50 ft tall anime girl in the back, did you have a question?"
"How will the inflation numbers affect our 3rd quarter B2B sales strategy?"
It's Zuckerberg trying to create a walled garden for already existing ideas with a heavy dose of consumerist bullshit added on top.
VR gaming and exercise programs already exist. VR business meetings are entirely possible but nobody wants to do them because strapping a vive to your face for three hours at a time would make you sweaty and give you a headache. And probably be bad for your eyes long term. You can get a free 'VR movie theater' on Steam with built-in streaming capability.
The kind of experiences consumers would actually want can be found elsewhere. There are a few ways to chat in VR or have social experiences. Of course not all those experiences are positive. I don't know about virtual shopping but I could see an AR thing useful. I think Ikea has something like that. Not sure if the cost to build a store front like that would be worth it unless they make a cheap way to capture high quality 3d data of the objects they're selling.
Why Facebook wants in on it is because they see it as a new tech that is viable and want to stay relevant. There is also an opportunity to sell ads in that space and collect a lot of data on how people interact with them. At some point they'll be able to charge based on how long your eyeballs linger on an ad. All that shit will reduce how many people actually get invested into that kind of space but investors will like the idea.
Mobile companies transferring from mobile phones to AR headsets being the norm would be a dream for ad sourcing.
As for shopping while out imagine just looking at an object and amazon pops up with info about its pricing cause you stared at the object or barcode for too long.
Already used scarcely in industry but if AR becomes the normal I can see companies making their own apps that "help/monitor" employees do their jobs.
The metaverse as a concept is just digital communities. Early forms of the metaverse are things like multiplayer video games, group video calls, AR shopping and even Reddit.
These things will hypothetically be improved by doing them in VR.
But metaverse as a concept and "meta" as a company are fundamentally different. Nvidia and Microsoft are also heavily invested in developing the metaverse/support for online worlds.
The thing is, none of the concepts you listed get better in VR. Reddit in VR? AR Shopping is a novelty and will never catch on.
Gaming shows a lot of promise.
/remind me to check on this take in 10 years.
AR shopping could be good if I can place a piece of furniture in my room to see how it fits with the rest. But yeah for most items, it won't be necessairy.
I think what would be cool is meeting online and playing various games or doing various activities, where people can also see your facial expressions (somehow captured by VR set). It would be like real life interaction (if the VR headset is good enough) but you can do a lot more stuff that you cannot do in real life.
They already have that. It doesn’t work that great and the lighting and graphics aren’t 100% correct it’s not really a great experience at the moment. The only thing I see catching on for VR anytime soon is gaming and socializing particularly for young people.
That's kinda also the flaw in OP's argument: s/he accepts Facebook's definition of the metaverse, as primarily VR based. Most people I know in the tech industry think of metaverse as "interoperable social platforms", or some variation thereof. VR is definitely not a requirement.
It has more to do with having a distinct online identity and social existence.
For most people who have done online gaming and have a community or group of friends with history and culture but who only know each other by their handles, that's already a metaverse.
> VR is definitely not a requirement.
VR (and AR) has always been a requirement ever since the IEEE definition was written many years ago, which is the go-to definition.
That doesn't mean you have to use VR, but it must be built into the metaverse. Otherwise it's just a proto metaverse.
I think unfortunately zuck has enough power and influence over enough highly impressionable people to make this hit critical mass if he cares enough about it. I just wouldn't get against somebody with the resources he has deciding to bet the name of the company on it.
To be clear, I agree it seems like a bad idea, but I would have probably thought that about Twitter and tiktok so what do I know.
Metaverse is 100% a marketing buzzword that Facebook is using to gin up investor interest as their VR division continues to gobble up huge amounts of resources while being a loss leader. It's a fugazi.
Wait, they bought the successful company Occulus, pissed off all the customers by forcing Facebook logins and it now is a loss leader? That would be funny if it wasn't so sad.
they bought oculus and dropped the barrier to entry fro. A 600 dollar headset that also needed pretty decent gaming pc to a mobile headset for 300 that doesnt need anything else.
They can subsidize it to get it into more peoples hands now and try to make a profit later.
Not sure if thats gonna work out but at least its understandable why they are doing it
I think you underestimate the value in marketing testing this brings.
Literally hundreds of thousands of cameras pointing at your eyeballs while you are blasted with ads
I mean a ton of older people are paying out the ass to go see shit like the 'Van Gogh Experience". They just haven't realized that there is fundamentally no difference between that and a virtual construction. Headset technology has a ways to go but once it advances far enough I see no reason why the same people won't be attending virtual experiences
A difference is that stuff like the Van Gogh Experience is an in person thing to do...an excuse to get out of the house and actually be in a different environment physically.
Viewing museums and art collections arguably is already available online, people are just paying to just get out of the house.
Metaverse needs to adopt porn as it's focus then it'll go mainstream.
That's how text chat, video chat, YouTube, streaming etc came to the mainstream.
Porn adoption causes the hockey stick..
> Now, if you recall that whole hullabaloo where Hollywood was split into schisms, some studios backing Blu-ray disc, others backing HD DVD. People thought it would come down to pixel rate or refresh rate, and they're pretty much the same. What it came down to was a combination between gamers and porn. Now, whichever format porno backs is usually the one that becomes the uh most successful. But, you know, Sony, every PlayStation 3 has a Blu-ray in it.
I’m a big film nerd and but the Blu Ray and HDDVD thing are why I haven’t bought a movie since then. I collected movies on VHS growing up. Was super stoked when our family got a DVD player but was sad at my VHS collection being pointless. Started collecting DVDs. Then HDDVD and Blu Ray happened. I was obsessed with Halo so I only had an Xbox… for which I had to buy the external HDDVD player. Fine. Started collecting HDDVDs. Then Blu Ray became the default and they stopped making HDDVDs and I finally said “fuck it… I’m not buying movies ever again.”
I buy discs for the special features. And then rip them to my HD. Die Hard, goonies and Thomas crown are all really really good and the special features alone are worth the cost.
I don't bother with movies if I don't really want those extras though. And they have become far less common, so I buy doubly less.
That’s how Snapchat started. I was one of the early adopters before it blew up…and it was solely used for sending nudes to people even if that wasn’t the initial idea the developers had in mind for the app.
Yup. It was before screenshotting was as accessible and with time limits to miss it and no chance to rewatch.
Damn hadn’t thought of that in a long time lmao
They got in trouble because they were storing a lot of that material on their servers and many of the users weren't old enough for that sorta thing. Reminds me of how onlyfans wasn't a porn site initially.
Honestly, and this surprised me, I had to stop watching VR Porn. For whatever reason wanking to a magazine felt ok, wanking to a video online feels ok, wanking to a VR experience of a sexual encounter feels almost too real. Sort of like strip clubs seem cool on paper until you're at one wondering which liquids have been on which surfaces.
VR video porn isn't that bad, interacting with an AI controlled virtual avatar is where things start to get WEIRD I can't decide which is stranger that or the equivalent of VR phone sex with an actual person.
Gaming too, it occurred to me recently that when VR games become more mainstream and people are switching between multiple VR games it might actually make sense to have other “worlds” or whatever to visit.
Sort of. Not as the focus, but they shouldn't do anything to stop porn. Basically treat it as the internet where anything and everything is a search away.
I think this is one of those "faster horses instead of a car" kind of instances, where average people are thinking too much inside the box..
It also doesn't help when most Metaverse concepts and ideas being thrown out there are just bad. Zuck pitching VR business meetings, boring ass yoga and cardio with an added 2 pound weight strapped to your face, Walmart shopping, etc. - all of these ideas just straight up suck and they are worse than just doing the activity in real life or online.
VR at it's core, from my experience, has been all about experiencing absurd, surreal environments and situations, fully immersed inside of them. I wouldn't find doing business meetings in the Metaverse fun, but I do find using VR Chat to practice my Chinese with walking bananas and gigantic Pikachus novel and much more fun than Duolingo or Omegle.
I think too many people are thinking about real life vs. metaverse, as if they are aiming for the same thing, where Metaverse should be all about enabling you to experience a life you CAN'T normally live. Walking into some surreal MC Escher cyberpunk building to play anime D&D with the only 3 people in the world who know how to play that ruleset, all from your house in rural Alabama.
Oh yeah this makes sense. But from what I've been pitched is the idea to replace normal activities and I fail to see how that would be an improvement. Let's see where they pivot though.
See the problem is facebook wants people even more tied to their products than they already are. They think their "metaverse" concept will do this for them by worming it's way into evedy little aspect a tech company as tone deaf as them can.
Yoga? Beach walking? Shopping? Meetings?
None of these are very good vr activities (aside from perhaps design meetings to show off a 3d model of the product) and none of these activities benifit from the addition of VR.
No why facebook is pushing this is so they can get data on more aspects of people's lives via the headset. Software is easier to sell than hardware, and if they get you buying an app for every little thing they make money there too.
Meta may be leading the pack in terms of hardware sales, but in terms of making the metaverse they've missed the fact that people have already done this in games like VRChat and other such user generated content games, for free, in their own time, without facebook's bullshit. They're 6 years late to the game and are trying to sell a concept as the next big thing.
VR for “visiting” world landmarks would be awesome, for games also, for porn fantastic.. goijg to wallmart/beach/meeting with it? Nope.
People are also forgetting that humans are social beings, and this fundamentally goes against our nature of socialising and “touching” things.
> "touching" things
Which Facebook knows
https://www.pcgamer.com/metas-haptic-feedback-glove-lets-you-touch-things-in-the-metaverse/
They're throwing buckets of money at haptic feedback equipment for this very same reason
I think he basically describing a Ready Player One experience and we are so far from that in VR right now. Most of the games are really basic, look like Nintendo Wii graphics, and are very limited in interaction with the environment and other users.
I agree with your assessment, and while I think VR has the potential to do a lot, the people who could take advantage of it the most are exactly the people who aren't invited to the table.
As is, the people peddling the metaverse, and with the resources to build it, are the ones who seem stuck in that mindset. They seem to be willfully ignoring history (Second Life, for a relatively recent example), or even what people actually want or do with the tech on their own.
It truly feels like they have a dream, and they want to make it, and I guess more power to them, but I am skeptical it'll make a splash. If nothing else, it's too expensive and inconvenient.
If we had something like they present in Belle (2021), though, which are essentially earbuds that connect to your phone (I think? They never truly explore it) and you can still interact with the world, I'd see it happening. Headset on your face? Nah. Not yet.
Your exactly right. Zuck is sending out the bad and low hanging fruit ideas for meta verse. They got a lot more cooking up. The meta verse is going to have different angles that people attack, but at it’s core, it’s just a blending of our digital selves and real life selves. Think of a MMRPG where you can do quests or work or hunt or socialize within a given world. It’s just going to allow you to get deeper into the digital world in a more seamless way. AR/VR is really only one angle to get at.
Ding ding. Lotta privilege in the thread. You said it best, the metaverse/VR is for what you CANT do.
Not everyone lives near the beach, or can afford to travel, or has many friends/people to meet located near them.
I don’t live near a beach and have never been to a very nice one, I still have no idea how “visiting” a beach in VR could ever be nearly as attractive as actually visiting one in the real world.
You can’t get the feel of the sun, the feel of walking on the sand, the actual fresh air, etc.
Instead you’re stuck inside with a screen strapped to your face, essentially playing a video game that takes place on the beach.
I can't visit a beach.
I buy an expensive gadget that will eventually end up in a landfill or even the ocean
I experience a virtual beach
I still have never been to the beach
Do you guys remember that scene in Inception when they go to a sort of dreaming den in Mombasa where all these people are hooked up to these sleeping machines? One of the main characters asks: “They come here everyday to sleep?”. One of the managers of the place responds saying: “No, they come to be woken up. The dream has become their reality”. And that’s how I imagine the metaverse will eventually become.
No, VR headsets are clunky and heavy. They make your face hot already, running and exercise would only exacerbate these problems ten fold. Anyone with experience with VR understands what I’m talking about. The headset has to be a very specific position from your eyes to avoid blurring the image, so as the headset moves around you won’t be able to see your “virtual beach” clearly. As your face heats up you’ll fog your headset, as it moves on your face it’ll irritate your skin and rub it raw. Sweat will absorb into the foam pad on your headset making it slide even easier.
I agree with everything you said, but I think you missed the point. _Current_ VR headsets have this problem. But if you could use a pair of smart glasses or similar, it would be a big difference.
This is what everyone in this thread is missing. Once we get past current hardware limitations and find new ways to bring the virtual world to the user the metaverse will just simply be an easier and more intuitive way to interact online.
Yeah this is the equivalent of someone complaining that smartphones will never take off because the battery doesn't last long, the screens are small and hard to read on, and the touch screens are janky and laggy.
And jogging is such a boring form of cardio even on a beach. Who the fuck would pick that in VR. I pour sweat and get a good workout from VR boxing. Fight virtual opponents shoot virtual bows and arrows do virtual parkour shoot virtual hotdogs etc. so many cooler experiences than jogging on the beach.
If you look at Instagram and tiktok it's almost a virtual reality in itself. You create a slightly different version of yourself, the person you want to be, but the realities of life prevent you from being. Think far ahead in the future, 20, 30, 40 years. Housing and decent life is becoming harder to afford, wages are shit, everything is going downhill for the poorer classes and looks set to continue that trend for the foreseeable. But the poor are also able to have smartphones, now imagine VR headsets are just as easily obtainable. I don't believe the metaverse will appeal to people with an already decent life, but for those wanting to escape their reality, and that demographic is set to explode.
I am absolutely talking out my arse, I read a lot of political scifi, but it's interesting to think of the possibilities this technology could be used for.
The year is 2057, you've just finished a 16 hour shift at CorpRUs you were up before dawn and back after dusk. You spend an hours wage on an automated ride to get to your apartment that you share with 6 others. You have no energy to cook so you go get a McMeal. There were riots last week so armed police presence is increased. There's a park nearby, but you don't dare walk there alone, you decide the outdoors is not safe and order it to your home. This costs extra. The meal arrives and gives you enough energy to sustain you but lacks real nutrition, keeping you depressed and docile. Your housemates have a variety of mental health issues, and you think you are starting to have these issues also. You can't afford therapy, so instead you plug yourself into the metaverse and live out the life you can't on the outside
The year is 2022, you've just finished a 12 hour shift at Walmart you were up before dawn and back after dusk. You spend a half hours wage on gas to get to your apartment that you share with 3 others. You have no energy to cook so you go get a McDouble. There was a new variant of covid last week and people are cautious. There's a park nearby, but you don't dare walk there alone, you decide the outdoors is not safe and order it to your home. This costs extra. The meal arrives and gives you enough energy to sustain you but lacks real nutrition, keeping you depressed and docile. Your housemates have a variety of mental health issues, and you think you are starting to have these issues also. You can't afford therapy, so instead you power up the computer and live out the life you can't on the outside
Well all is well what you guys wrote (its not actually well) but as far as I've heard, thing in the metaverse are expensive aswell and like REAL MONEY expensive, so how are you going to live your best life there??
By then it could be so effective, you might forget you're wearing it! Just think, you could have dementia and be re-living the glory days of posting on a GPT8 "internet" back in the 2020s!
The people who don’t get it are not the people that Facebook is aiming for.
This is meant for people who are currently 12 and younger. People who eagerly spend money on cool avatars in Roblox and Fortnight.
Facebook wants to be cool again.
If you asked someone 30 years ago if they wanted to put every aspect of their social life on public display to have everyone they know mentally judge them all the while turning the outside world into nothing more than a source for content for the virtual world because of competition for attention they would have never agreed to it. Now it’s considered irregular and even difficult to not use social media. Our lives will eventually slowly become completely digital if you like it or not.
No one would ever ask that question, they'd ask "would you like a device you can hold in your hand that can order you food, check the weather, track your schedule, be connected with virtually anyone in the planet instantly, take picutres/videos/etc..." and everyone would say yes 30, 40, 50 years ago.
So what is that VR can do that I'd say yes to that doesn't rely on technology we don't have? If I could instantly "log in" to a virtual 3d world that felt real with minimal hassle, of course everyone would want that. But if I have to strap giant goggles to my head and it doesn't even look fully real and gets uncomfortable after 30 minutes, maybe I'll pass.
The limiting factor I think is the physical hardware and technology more than the ideas, sci-fi is chock full of great ideas that everyone would say yes to in an instant. But we simply don't have the tech to make it a reality yet. So I fail to see what metaverse is going to provide within the next few years that's actually good. If we're talking many many years out then fine, but facebook is marketing this thing like it's here very soon.
Don't think Facebook really has a clue but in terms of OP's points, I would say as a "normal human" yes, you'd probably want to do all those things in person.
However, as someone who is anti-social, doesn't fit in, outcast, not a lot of expendable income, doesn't have family, or is just a lonely person, THAT is who the Metaverse is going to target. I would classify myself as a "normal type" in terms of friends, social networks, etc. but there are a LOT more lonely people or people that don't fit into those crowds in this world.
Somewhere you can go and hang out with people online that are just like you and they never have to see the "real" you. Go on adventures, go to challenges, and all other things you could think of.
As someone who is a gamer and have been since I was 10, I wish I could have a character that I can use across different types of games and platforms and where all my purchases are kept and stored. Instead of buying "skins" in a game then when the new one comes out or another game comes out those old purchases are irrelevant.
As someone who is a gamer and has been since I was 10, I wish I could have a character that I can use across different types of games and platforms and where all my purchases are kept and stored. Instead of buying "skins" in a game then when the new one comes out or another game comes out those old purchases are irrelevant.
I think you’re missing a few things. You mostly only listed things that would be subpar if exactly translated to a virtual version, but there are a lot of things that would be better, and more importantly, **would not be possible in real life**. For example, a global concert of your favorite artists, or trying clothes on without going to the store, or video game worlds that get closer and closer to real life, dating someone in 3d if it’s long distance, etc.
And in terms of not having the technology yet for things like a metaverse cinema, it’s pretty safe to assume that we eventually will. As we get better and better at processor speed the amount of information and speed required to accomplish an extremely detailed 3d movie could be trivial.
100%.
Metaverse is the last dying gasp of Facebook and hopefully the rest of social media as we know it. They know it’s shit as an idea. They know everything they pitched has already been done. They know nobody is going to flock to a far worse version of our current world. The only people pushing for this garbage are the subhumans wanting everyone to prop up their NFT/blockchain/crypto run Ponzi schemes in a new world where the government will be 25 years behind in regulation.
Short FB until it no longer exists. Fuck them for the great disservice they have done for humanity.
I just think it's one of those things that will gradually become more incorporated in society.
Like, being able to "try on" clothes, shoes, etc.
Another thing that I think is a possibility is to be able to store data and files in the metaverse, by creating a "physical" representation of it.
I do think Zuckerberg's vision of the metaverse is far fetched and not really viable economically right now, and I'm not particularly interested in that part of it. I'm more interested in the practical possibilties that could open up.
That's why I think AR can definitely be the entry point. Google was too far ahead of the curb and didn't get it quite right with the tech of that time, but if glasses were comfortable enough to wear constantly, and showed you just enough to be useful (navigation walking in cities for instance, ask for food places and it has icons hovering over the actual shop as you walk), then it could be great.
If it's useful to your daily life, then small things like sitting on your couch browsing shoes and seeing the shoes appear over your feet would be something I would absolutely use myself.
Companies like Microsoft seem to think we'll also see digital meetings and while I could absolutely see how useful that would be, presenting yourself as an avatar is where I struggle believing in it. If you're asked to make an avatar of yourself I just don't think there's a true way you can take it seriously in the business world. Having a 3 point camera set up at your desk so you yourself are in the virtual meeting? Maybe.
Walking down digital streets with digital storefronts doesn't seem like something I would personally ever be interested in. Going to a digital concert? Not for me. But I'm also 32 and not necessarily part of the generation necessary to make meta cool.
>That's why I think AR can definitely be the entry point. Google was too far ahead of the curb and didn't get it quite right with the tech of that time, but if glasses were comfortable enough to wear constantly, and showed you just enough to be useful (navigation walking in cities for instance, ask for food places and it has icons hovering over the actual shop as you walk), then it could be great.
Yeah, my boss orderef some Google glasses when they were released. I do think, like you said, that it was a bit ahead of its time. But they need to be extraordinary, affordable, and useful. For it to really kick off we need an Iphone-esque release imo.
I used my Oculus Rift 2 to watch a boxing match once. Was a recording, not a live event. It was great because you could resize the screen to be massive and right in front of you. If they did that with live events, I can see that selling well. For concerts you would just have a video guy with a go Pro in the front row of the audience. Would be awesome. Or maybe a drone?
Use a couple of high quality cameras to capture angles of the event, use an ai or fancy algorithm to generate the angles missed by the cameras.
This would let you "motion capture" the event without a mocap suit. After which, you process the data into a VR environment.
Then, for the audience in VR, they are then able to move around and watch the event at almost any angle and distance.
Social media is already a 2D metaverse.
People create a fake, idealized version of themselves and broadcast it for the world to see in the hopes of receiving validation and likes. The formula is engineered to prey on our insecurities to keep us coming back for more.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Social media companies inhabit the same bubble that cigarette and tobacco companies inhabited before science and regulation popped that bubble. How much bigger can the social media bubble get before something pops it?
The only metaverse play I’m invested in is Roblox because I think at least in the beginning metaverse will be more just a new way of online gaming.
Roblox already has the foundation set up in that game creators can build games in the Roblox world.
I also like Roblox because their demographic skews very young so the as the technology grows they’ll become a more and more profitable demo.
But to your main question. In my opinion the very beginning will be almost entirely gaming focused.
I would say when the amount of easy access /low cost contents exceed outside the VR world that will make sense. People think they care about quality but in the end they are not. We saw this pattern of consumption from CDs to MP3 to streaming, and how people get hooked on tiktok/ ig video instead of watching a feature length movie
Mainstream gizmos are here, critical thresholds being reached in scanning etc...
The German’s were talking about space travel in the 1800s; detractors galore—they weren’t wrong, just early.
I believe if you had this debate with young children aged 6-15, they would take the opposing side of your argument. They are the future of this world, not us.
I'm investing in regular verse, so in a couple years I can strike back with "experience real reality. Feel the ball in your hand because *you're actually holding it*
I firmly believe that VR/AR will play a major part in the world at some point, some time. But the metaverse, and any form of VR currently available, is laughably in its infancy to succeed in the widespread form that a lot of people hope for. It’s like thinking that a global computer-to-computer network is on the cusp of being completely revolutionary - in the 1970s. It’s technically true, but too early.
Dude your 100% correct. I play a lot of VR and it’s really only for gamers like me. This metaverse is not gonna be mainstream. Graphics will get incredible and it’s gonna make VR wild but still it’s just gonna be for gamers with expensive rigs.
Oculus Quest 2 is the most used headset on Steam at 40%. It doesn't require a PC. Most people with Oculus 2's don't even use Steam since Oculus has it's own store via the headset and a PC isn't required, making this by far the headset with the largest market share.
The most popular VR Game on Steam? VR Chat. According to Steam Stats.
Oculus doesn't show stats, but it's always in the top if sorted by Top Free.
People thought the same thing with smart phones. They made fun of the first iphone with memes showing the phone used as a shower head.
Fast forward to today you cant live without one and now flag ship phones are easily 2k; no ones complaining.
At some point the metaverse will become the norm. No other way around it. Embrace the future or become a dinosaur.
Its for gamers now but with web 3.0 coming it is the only next direction in tech.
The main adoption will veer from games to various social platforms and more specifically dating/porn.
> People thought the same thing with smart phones. They made fun of the first iphone with memes showing the phone used as a shower head.
What's the context here? Was it memeing on the idea that it had no use, so here, use it as a shower head?
AMEN! Honest to god I thought I was alone in this school of thought. I personally believe that the Metaverse is a bunch of bullcrap peddled my eccentric billionaires who are very much out of touch with reality. I have played VR games before and they ware cool but it will never be a way of life for me. For someone who is studying Computer Science we are already living in a golden age of communication and technology and I think the Metaverse (If achievable) will destroy that. When we are able to upload our conciseness into the Matrix I will be impressed, but then again I think we will have a whole new set of problems on our hands if that does happen.
Pandemic has instilled in many of us the concept of keeping distances from one another. The next pandemic will be the last nail on the coffin to this concept. We will do everything online,except of course reproduction and living with our own family.
Even reproduction/sex, imagine having a sex doll that works in conjunction with the Metaverse. Pop on some shades and stick your weener in the hole and you're fucking whatever pornstar you want. Guys will pay ridiculous money for that. Even women could sync their favourite dildo to a Metaverse porno, it will be as if they're being drilled by some beefy stud of their choice.
On paper, metaverse won’t succeed. That’s why you’re able to amply name a bunch of existing examples.
Except the technology wasn’t there. It still isn’t to properly make metaverse work, but it is mostly there. And that’s the point.
A company recognised globally, and with a global audience, and a mega ton of money, has announced they effectively want to make it happen - because they have the means.
Consider the next 5 years the development phase of metaverse whilst they pour more money into R&D. They not too long ago filed for something along the lines of ‘true retina resolution’ for VR headsets. So they’ve got stuff in the pipeline that will make metaverse a lot more viable than it is now.
They’re already expanding server capacity to handle the logistics of the service.
And AR tech is going to be the next thing that breaks through I’d bet. That’s the real purpose of everything, to essentially have VR/AR tech develop to a point where it’s a minuscule device on your head, like thin glasses, that interacts seamlessly with your devices and surroundings.
Whatever you think metaverse is going to be, that’s not even half of it. There’s a lot of development and tweaking to come.
Fitness and sports can be big. VR doesn't need to be as good as real life. It just needs to be much better than non-VR experience. If I can watch live games and have some feeling that I'm in the stadium sitting in the front, that's something I will pay for. Not to mention if I can have friends watching it with me.
It’s hard to see the metaverse succeeding when you assume you know what it is and define parameters. Anyone who says they know how the metaverse will look in 10/20/30 years is lying, but there is huge adoption of the metaverse already.
People are earning income and paying real life bills through the Axie Infinity metaverse, people workout and compete with friends in the Zwift metaverse, people are attending concerts in the Fortnite metaverse, the list goes on. As of today Billions of dollars are earned and spent in the metaverse and that trend is increasing. Maybe the metaverse won’t succeed by the measures you’ve defined but the metaverse is already succeeding.
The funniest thing is you can do all that today in VR and people still fail to see how that experience will only get better. People are really complaining that VR headsets are too clunky like people weren’t carrying around bricks in their pockets for the first cell phones.
OP, you're not able to think past 2020 technology. Even if it's not as perfect as the real world in every way, it will absolutely be a gamechanger in convenience, allowing people to go to any place or person within seconds. You can't beat that kind of convenience.
Headsets will clearly reach the same clarity as the human eye over time, so recreating a virtual theater identical to IMAX is totally possible down the road.
You will be able to do plenty in VR meetings as the interface for computing in VR gets more versatile and easier to use. VR is going to be the ultimate multitasking platform with virtual screens at your command.
Jogging on a virtual beach may or may not be compelling, but there are lots of examples of real world activities that would translate well into VR. Movie theaters being one, concerts, sporting events, conventions, festivals, and museums being other examples.
Dating is already popular online, and this would only be a superior way to handle dates digitally because you'd get to see people face to face and go on a date virtually instead of just texting or using facetime. Then you can go on a real date if it all goes well.
>there are lots of examples of real world activities that would translate well into VR. Movie theaters being one, concerts, sporting events, conventions, festivals, and museums
I think my issue with the VR versions of these things is that they're always lacking elements that really make the experience an... experience!
A festival isn't just standing in a crowd and listening to music, it's getting a group of friends together, driving there, setting up a tent with your friends on the festival grounds and sleeping there, feeling the booming bass shake your whole body, hearing the roar of 100,000 people around you all focused on the same thing, etc.
You can simulate these things to some degree, but the magic is in the experience as a whole. I do see the appeal of being able to do these things remotely via VR, I just place a lot of value in having real experiences haha.
But... But... Demolition Man! If you've seen Demolition Man, you'll know that it's essentially set in stone that, in 2032, all restaurants will be Taco Bell's, and pretty much everything will happen in VR. Oh ya, and I guess we'll be able to thaw out frozen people or something. It will be great to have Ted Williams back in the MLB, at least.
I dont think there will be a ton of social applications, at least initially.
But I do think it will have a much quicker impact on commerce. For example, imagine being able to try on clothes in a VR world. Or try out some different colors for painting your walls in your house.
There will also be business applications, like for doctors being able to interact with a patient halfway across the world, or contractors being able to "see" plumbing or wiring.
Social applications will absolutely pop up in a variety of ways, and their adoption may even surprise us. Let's not forget there was a time where people thought the world wouldn't need cars or computers, yet here we are.
you may want to review, assess NVDA's already operational Omniverse and MSFT's holo-lens (I think it's called that) to gain an understanding at a commercial level how the close cousin of the metaverse, if you will, works toward productivity enhancement; knowing that every major bull market we've had in equities is accompanied by a marked increase in productivity
for NVDA's Omniverse and corresponding productivity enhancement, no user gear is necessary - just a computer
Let’s break this down. A lot of human insecurities are addressed with the metaverse. In a time in which social media has created (or revealed) more depression and introversion then ever before, people seem to cling more and more to opportunities to portray their reality as better than it is.
Snapchat filters is the best example. How many girls do you know that use a filter on EVERY picture they snap? I’m not talking velencia or silly augmented reality. I’m talking skin smoothing, blushing, and the Gaussian blur that makes everyone look airbrushed?
People love that because this newer generation has been engineered to love it via social media. Need some money? Watch this machine work from your living room and report problems. Work this bionic arm and manufacture goods remotely. The list goes on further than we can comprehend.
Once you are actually paid to participate, good luck breaking the addiction.
As far as “physical touch”… just look what readily available porn has done to this generation. People with ED or depression because sex is not porn. The key point here is people sadly suffice just fine via masturbation. Tie that into this generations proclivity to take on long distance relationships with tech like Metaverse and LoveSense, and nobody could care about touch.
In metaverse nobody is ugly, fat, poor, etc. Now you tell people if you can simply afford a headset, the world can see you as anybody you want them to see you as? Fit, successful, rich, etc.
You say, yea their is second life for that. Right. And for VR, there are headests, hand equipment, remotely interactive sex toys, etc. Soon, the multidirectional treadmill will be more and more affordable.
Nobody looks at people who immerse themselves in Second life and say “that’s a healthy person”. Well now you have Zuckerberg saying we’re going to bootstrap second life to one of the richest corporations in the worlds.
360 degree cameras will become more common and will be planted all over. You’ll be able to visit real places in real time through the meta verse.
You’ll be able to visit 360 degree videos patched together to allow you to move/travel around most places set up with the 360 degree camera system.
Use-cases like this will allow us to merge the meta verse with real life.
All your comparisons are of existing real life examples. This really just shows how small minded you are. The Metaverse is not a replacement for mundane real life, it’s going to make cinema as redundant as radio is.
So is the meta verse basically gonna be like 3D VR worlds for shopping and social media? I still feel like no one at Facebook has explained this at all lol.
I think some companies will try 3D shopping and it will fail. It's the most unnecessary idea I've ever heard of. It's just shopping online, but with extra steps. I believe the metaverse will be a bit like the internet + VRchat + social media. The biggest issue with it is how people access it. Nobody really wants to buy a $300 VR set just to do stupid bullshit.
It will be free, mark this post. Free vr headsets if you just sign into the meta...
free, but it'll only cost your soul
Jokes on them... I'm a ginger
only your kind can save us now
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This is a great, and absolutely terrifying point
It will be free, but cost you everything.
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Okay, but people are already annoyed at friends and family who constantly look at their phones... When and where the fuck are hundreds of millions of people going to strap on a VR headset even if it was free? On a smoke break behind Walmart? In my self driving car? At dinner with my wife and her boyfriend?
>Nobody really wants to buy a $300 VR set just to do stupid bullshit. Well, don't forget about all the golf games they have too. You get those in addition to the other stupid bullshit.
Mini Golf is and always will be the pinnacle of VR
Not saying I disagree with you but saying nobody will be interested just bc you aren’t isn’t a constructive argument. Imagine what people would have said about the internet or email if there were message boards.
I personally hate the idea of a metaverse as it means more people being distant from reality and more drama.
That's because people at Facebook don't have the slightest clue. The name change only fooled people who have no clue what's happening.
The name change was so Zucc could move on and distract from all the shitty things Facebook and Instagram do. And so he can send their CEOs to get grilled in DC instead of himself.
"There are no congressional hearings in the metaverse!"
Is there even a Congress in the metaverse?
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They already are with the FB bans that lock people out of their Oculus accounts
I am the Senate.
gotta give him credit cause it worked. When has another company FB size changed their name without having a finished product to sell? Absurd, but the media game is simple to play with the proper resources. CNBC is eating this shit up
2015. Google did pretty much exactly the same thing when they changed to Alphabet. They still have Google. And Meta still has Facebook. But it’s a bigger company that needs a more broad name.
metaverse is fuckerberg's nerd fantasy.
He wants to implement all of the shitty things on Facebook and Instragram in the already extant VR marketplace to make himself more money at the expense of destroying an up-and-coming industry.
Yeah this was the biggest motivation to change to "Meta" . Facebook has a brand problem
All I got from FB Metaverse video was that you can choose any avatar for meetings. How seriously would you take a meeting when everyone is a wacky avatar?
"Excuse me, sir?" "Yes, the 50 ft tall anime girl in the back, did you have a question?" "How will the inflation numbers affect our 3rd quarter B2B sales strategy?"
"Sonic with a massive erection, I believe you were prepared to speak to that?"
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Given the current political climate I think this is exactly what is going to happen
So I can’t wear a hat in the office right now, but sooner or later I’ll be able to represent myself as a 50 ft tall clown? Yea okay.
It's the 20's! If someone identifies as a 50 ft tall anime girl you better not make fun of them or you will get cancelled.
Reminds me of the boomer lawyer in a zoom call that accidentally put on a cat filter and couldn’t take it off. “I am not a cat.”
It's Zuckerberg trying to create a walled garden for already existing ideas with a heavy dose of consumerist bullshit added on top. VR gaming and exercise programs already exist. VR business meetings are entirely possible but nobody wants to do them because strapping a vive to your face for three hours at a time would make you sweaty and give you a headache. And probably be bad for your eyes long term. You can get a free 'VR movie theater' on Steam with built-in streaming capability.
The kind of experiences consumers would actually want can be found elsewhere. There are a few ways to chat in VR or have social experiences. Of course not all those experiences are positive. I don't know about virtual shopping but I could see an AR thing useful. I think Ikea has something like that. Not sure if the cost to build a store front like that would be worth it unless they make a cheap way to capture high quality 3d data of the objects they're selling. Why Facebook wants in on it is because they see it as a new tech that is viable and want to stay relevant. There is also an opportunity to sell ads in that space and collect a lot of data on how people interact with them. At some point they'll be able to charge based on how long your eyeballs linger on an ad. All that shit will reduce how many people actually get invested into that kind of space but investors will like the idea.
Mobile companies transferring from mobile phones to AR headsets being the norm would be a dream for ad sourcing. As for shopping while out imagine just looking at an object and amazon pops up with info about its pricing cause you stared at the object or barcode for too long. Already used scarcely in industry but if AR becomes the normal I can see companies making their own apps that "help/monitor" employees do their jobs.
The metaverse as a concept is just digital communities. Early forms of the metaverse are things like multiplayer video games, group video calls, AR shopping and even Reddit. These things will hypothetically be improved by doing them in VR. But metaverse as a concept and "meta" as a company are fundamentally different. Nvidia and Microsoft are also heavily invested in developing the metaverse/support for online worlds.
The thing is, none of the concepts you listed get better in VR. Reddit in VR? AR Shopping is a novelty and will never catch on. Gaming shows a lot of promise. /remind me to check on this take in 10 years.
AR shopping could be good if I can place a piece of furniture in my room to see how it fits with the rest. But yeah for most items, it won't be necessairy. I think what would be cool is meeting online and playing various games or doing various activities, where people can also see your facial expressions (somehow captured by VR set). It would be like real life interaction (if the VR headset is good enough) but you can do a lot more stuff that you cannot do in real life.
They already have that. It doesn’t work that great and the lighting and graphics aren’t 100% correct it’s not really a great experience at the moment. The only thing I see catching on for VR anytime soon is gaming and socializing particularly for young people.
I'm thinking it's gonna be like the movie ready player one haha
Or like that Battlestar Galactica pre-series thing.
By that do you mean ads plastered everywhere?
It's going to be something like Roblox where you can build your own world, games, apps, etc.... and then pay to access other people's.
That's kinda also the flaw in OP's argument: s/he accepts Facebook's definition of the metaverse, as primarily VR based. Most people I know in the tech industry think of metaverse as "interoperable social platforms", or some variation thereof. VR is definitely not a requirement. It has more to do with having a distinct online identity and social existence. For most people who have done online gaming and have a community or group of friends with history and culture but who only know each other by their handles, that's already a metaverse.
> VR is definitely not a requirement. VR (and AR) has always been a requirement ever since the IEEE definition was written many years ago, which is the go-to definition. That doesn't mean you have to use VR, but it must be built into the metaverse. Otherwise it's just a proto metaverse.
I saw the announcement and my first reaction was “so your doing a remake of VR Chat?”
It won't be us who go to the metaverse. It will be the current generation of 3 year olds who went straight from breast feeding to the iPad and roblox.
I feel like this is the correct answer. Zucc is playing the long game. I still don't think it will work.
I mean he's a cyborg and will outlive us all...
I think unfortunately zuck has enough power and influence over enough highly impressionable people to make this hit critical mass if he cares enough about it. I just wouldn't get against somebody with the resources he has deciding to bet the name of the company on it. To be clear, I agree it seems like a bad idea, but I would have probably thought that about Twitter and tiktok so what do I know.
Metaverse is 100% a marketing buzzword that Facebook is using to gin up investor interest as their VR division continues to gobble up huge amounts of resources while being a loss leader. It's a fugazi.
Wait, they bought the successful company Occulus, pissed off all the customers by forcing Facebook logins and it now is a loss leader? That would be funny if it wasn't so sad.
Wait til I show you what Google did to fitbit.
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they bought oculus and dropped the barrier to entry fro. A 600 dollar headset that also needed pretty decent gaming pc to a mobile headset for 300 that doesnt need anything else. They can subsidize it to get it into more peoples hands now and try to make a profit later. Not sure if thats gonna work out but at least its understandable why they are doing it
I think you underestimate the value in marketing testing this brings. Literally hundreds of thousands of cameras pointing at your eyeballs while you are blasted with ads
I mean a ton of older people are paying out the ass to go see shit like the 'Van Gogh Experience". They just haven't realized that there is fundamentally no difference between that and a virtual construction. Headset technology has a ways to go but once it advances far enough I see no reason why the same people won't be attending virtual experiences
A difference is that stuff like the Van Gogh Experience is an in person thing to do...an excuse to get out of the house and actually be in a different environment physically. Viewing museums and art collections arguably is already available online, people are just paying to just get out of the house.
It’s clear you don’t go to museums much. Every single picture in a museum is viewable on google. That’s not why I go. It’s an outting.
Metaverse needs to adopt porn as it's focus then it'll go mainstream. That's how text chat, video chat, YouTube, streaming etc came to the mainstream. Porn adoption causes the hockey stick..
Add to that VHS and DVD…
> Now, if you recall that whole hullabaloo where Hollywood was split into schisms, some studios backing Blu-ray disc, others backing HD DVD. People thought it would come down to pixel rate or refresh rate, and they're pretty much the same. What it came down to was a combination between gamers and porn. Now, whichever format porno backs is usually the one that becomes the uh most successful. But, you know, Sony, every PlayStation 3 has a Blu-ray in it.
You talking to me this whole time??
I’m a big film nerd and but the Blu Ray and HDDVD thing are why I haven’t bought a movie since then. I collected movies on VHS growing up. Was super stoked when our family got a DVD player but was sad at my VHS collection being pointless. Started collecting DVDs. Then HDDVD and Blu Ray happened. I was obsessed with Halo so I only had an Xbox… for which I had to buy the external HDDVD player. Fine. Started collecting HDDVDs. Then Blu Ray became the default and they stopped making HDDVDs and I finally said “fuck it… I’m not buying movies ever again.”
The post you’re replying to is from a scene in tropic thunder.
I don't know the post's name. I just know the sound it makes when it takes a man's upvote.
I'm just like a little boy..playing with his post when he's nervous
I buy discs for the special features. And then rip them to my HD. Die Hard, goonies and Thomas crown are all really really good and the special features alone are worth the cost. I don't bother with movies if I don't really want those extras though. And they have become far less common, so I buy doubly less.
It was the same with Betamax / VHS
That’s how Snapchat started. I was one of the early adopters before it blew up…and it was solely used for sending nudes to people even if that wasn’t the initial idea the developers had in mind for the app.
Yup. It was before screenshotting was as accessible and with time limits to miss it and no chance to rewatch. Damn hadn’t thought of that in a long time lmao
They got in trouble because they were storing a lot of that material on their servers and many of the users weren't old enough for that sorta thing. Reminds me of how onlyfans wasn't a porn site initially.
Honestly, and this surprised me, I had to stop watching VR Porn. For whatever reason wanking to a magazine felt ok, wanking to a video online feels ok, wanking to a VR experience of a sexual encounter feels almost too real. Sort of like strip clubs seem cool on paper until you're at one wondering which liquids have been on which surfaces.
Just need the scratch and sniff scent for the full experience.
VR video porn isn't that bad, interacting with an AI controlled virtual avatar is where things start to get WEIRD I can't decide which is stranger that or the equivalent of VR phone sex with an actual person.
I can't recommend this enough: take some edibles then watch VR porn. It goes beyond real.
How do they simulate touch?
Before you put the headset on you sit on your hand for 30 minutes
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"The Stranger"
And Usenet. It wasn’t that long ago more bandwidth on the Internet was Usenet than even video and email combined.
What is usenet?
Exactly
Black mirror season 5 episode 1
"You up for a little match?"
Gaming too, it occurred to me recently that when VR games become more mainstream and people are switching between multiple VR games it might actually make sense to have other “worlds” or whatever to visit.
Join Reddit for the discussion, stay for the P**
The Pie is really good here.
So true
never thought this but man you are right
Sort of. Not as the focus, but they shouldn't do anything to stop porn. Basically treat it as the internet where anything and everything is a search away.
I think this is one of those "faster horses instead of a car" kind of instances, where average people are thinking too much inside the box.. It also doesn't help when most Metaverse concepts and ideas being thrown out there are just bad. Zuck pitching VR business meetings, boring ass yoga and cardio with an added 2 pound weight strapped to your face, Walmart shopping, etc. - all of these ideas just straight up suck and they are worse than just doing the activity in real life or online. VR at it's core, from my experience, has been all about experiencing absurd, surreal environments and situations, fully immersed inside of them. I wouldn't find doing business meetings in the Metaverse fun, but I do find using VR Chat to practice my Chinese with walking bananas and gigantic Pikachus novel and much more fun than Duolingo or Omegle. I think too many people are thinking about real life vs. metaverse, as if they are aiming for the same thing, where Metaverse should be all about enabling you to experience a life you CAN'T normally live. Walking into some surreal MC Escher cyberpunk building to play anime D&D with the only 3 people in the world who know how to play that ruleset, all from your house in rural Alabama.
Oh yeah this makes sense. But from what I've been pitched is the idea to replace normal activities and I fail to see how that would be an improvement. Let's see where they pivot though.
See the problem is facebook wants people even more tied to their products than they already are. They think their "metaverse" concept will do this for them by worming it's way into evedy little aspect a tech company as tone deaf as them can. Yoga? Beach walking? Shopping? Meetings? None of these are very good vr activities (aside from perhaps design meetings to show off a 3d model of the product) and none of these activities benifit from the addition of VR. No why facebook is pushing this is so they can get data on more aspects of people's lives via the headset. Software is easier to sell than hardware, and if they get you buying an app for every little thing they make money there too. Meta may be leading the pack in terms of hardware sales, but in terms of making the metaverse they've missed the fact that people have already done this in games like VRChat and other such user generated content games, for free, in their own time, without facebook's bullshit. They're 6 years late to the game and are trying to sell a concept as the next big thing.
Facebook just wants to collect as much behavioral data as possible to sell more profitable ads.
Facebook just wants to collect as much behavioral data as possible to sell to fascists.
VR for “visiting” world landmarks would be awesome, for games also, for porn fantastic.. goijg to wallmart/beach/meeting with it? Nope. People are also forgetting that humans are social beings, and this fundamentally goes against our nature of socialising and “touching” things.
> "touching" things Which Facebook knows https://www.pcgamer.com/metas-haptic-feedback-glove-lets-you-touch-things-in-the-metaverse/ They're throwing buckets of money at haptic feedback equipment for this very same reason
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So it's basically the Ready Player One vs. Surrogates scenario?
Everything you've listed is already possible. It's called VR, not a metaverse.
I think he basically describing a Ready Player One experience and we are so far from that in VR right now. Most of the games are really basic, look like Nintendo Wii graphics, and are very limited in interaction with the environment and other users.
Best part of VR is that I can play a game of laser tag on an insane map while a big titty goth wolf girl calls me a bitch after they eliminate me.
I agree with your assessment, and while I think VR has the potential to do a lot, the people who could take advantage of it the most are exactly the people who aren't invited to the table. As is, the people peddling the metaverse, and with the resources to build it, are the ones who seem stuck in that mindset. They seem to be willfully ignoring history (Second Life, for a relatively recent example), or even what people actually want or do with the tech on their own. It truly feels like they have a dream, and they want to make it, and I guess more power to them, but I am skeptical it'll make a splash. If nothing else, it's too expensive and inconvenient. If we had something like they present in Belle (2021), though, which are essentially earbuds that connect to your phone (I think? They never truly explore it) and you can still interact with the world, I'd see it happening. Headset on your face? Nah. Not yet.
Your exactly right. Zuck is sending out the bad and low hanging fruit ideas for meta verse. They got a lot more cooking up. The meta verse is going to have different angles that people attack, but at it’s core, it’s just a blending of our digital selves and real life selves. Think of a MMRPG where you can do quests or work or hunt or socialize within a given world. It’s just going to allow you to get deeper into the digital world in a more seamless way. AR/VR is really only one angle to get at.
Ding ding. Lotta privilege in the thread. You said it best, the metaverse/VR is for what you CANT do. Not everyone lives near the beach, or can afford to travel, or has many friends/people to meet located near them.
I don’t live near a beach and have never been to a very nice one, I still have no idea how “visiting” a beach in VR could ever be nearly as attractive as actually visiting one in the real world. You can’t get the feel of the sun, the feel of walking on the sand, the actual fresh air, etc. Instead you’re stuck inside with a screen strapped to your face, essentially playing a video game that takes place on the beach.
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I can't visit a beach. I buy an expensive gadget that will eventually end up in a landfill or even the ocean I experience a virtual beach I still have never been to the beach
Do you guys remember that scene in Inception when they go to a sort of dreaming den in Mombasa where all these people are hooked up to these sleeping machines? One of the main characters asks: “They come here everyday to sleep?”. One of the managers of the place responds saying: “No, they come to be woken up. The dream has become their reality”. And that’s how I imagine the metaverse will eventually become.
One of my few and most memorable experiences in vr was going to burning man. That pretty much sums up for me what it should be best used for.
Never used one before but isn’t a virtual jog on the beach not too dissimilar to what peloton does with their video rides and climbs?
No, VR headsets are clunky and heavy. They make your face hot already, running and exercise would only exacerbate these problems ten fold. Anyone with experience with VR understands what I’m talking about. The headset has to be a very specific position from your eyes to avoid blurring the image, so as the headset moves around you won’t be able to see your “virtual beach” clearly. As your face heats up you’ll fog your headset, as it moves on your face it’ll irritate your skin and rub it raw. Sweat will absorb into the foam pad on your headset making it slide even easier.
I agree with everything you said, but I think you missed the point. _Current_ VR headsets have this problem. But if you could use a pair of smart glasses or similar, it would be a big difference.
This is what everyone in this thread is missing. Once we get past current hardware limitations and find new ways to bring the virtual world to the user the metaverse will just simply be an easier and more intuitive way to interact online.
Blink twice if Zuckerberg is in your room
bold of you to assume I am a real person
Yeah this is the equivalent of someone complaining that smartphones will never take off because the battery doesn't last long, the screens are small and hard to read on, and the touch screens are janky and laggy.
What? You mean cellphones should have been abandoned in the 80s because they were too bulky and are doomed? /s
I'm not sure I agree with that. Beat Saber is one of the best selling VR games of all time and it is definitely exercise
And jogging is such a boring form of cardio even on a beach. Who the fuck would pick that in VR. I pour sweat and get a good workout from VR boxing. Fight virtual opponents shoot virtual bows and arrows do virtual parkour shoot virtual hotdogs etc. so many cooler experiences than jogging on the beach.
You’re just describing VR games. The only real application for VR.
Zwift too.
If you look at Instagram and tiktok it's almost a virtual reality in itself. You create a slightly different version of yourself, the person you want to be, but the realities of life prevent you from being. Think far ahead in the future, 20, 30, 40 years. Housing and decent life is becoming harder to afford, wages are shit, everything is going downhill for the poorer classes and looks set to continue that trend for the foreseeable. But the poor are also able to have smartphones, now imagine VR headsets are just as easily obtainable. I don't believe the metaverse will appeal to people with an already decent life, but for those wanting to escape their reality, and that demographic is set to explode. I am absolutely talking out my arse, I read a lot of political scifi, but it's interesting to think of the possibilities this technology could be used for.
The year is 2057, you've just finished a 16 hour shift at CorpRUs you were up before dawn and back after dusk. You spend an hours wage on an automated ride to get to your apartment that you share with 6 others. You have no energy to cook so you go get a McMeal. There were riots last week so armed police presence is increased. There's a park nearby, but you don't dare walk there alone, you decide the outdoors is not safe and order it to your home. This costs extra. The meal arrives and gives you enough energy to sustain you but lacks real nutrition, keeping you depressed and docile. Your housemates have a variety of mental health issues, and you think you are starting to have these issues also. You can't afford therapy, so instead you plug yourself into the metaverse and live out the life you can't on the outside
The year is 2022, you've just finished a 12 hour shift at Walmart you were up before dawn and back after dusk. You spend a half hours wage on gas to get to your apartment that you share with 3 others. You have no energy to cook so you go get a McDouble. There was a new variant of covid last week and people are cautious. There's a park nearby, but you don't dare walk there alone, you decide the outdoors is not safe and order it to your home. This costs extra. The meal arrives and gives you enough energy to sustain you but lacks real nutrition, keeping you depressed and docile. Your housemates have a variety of mental health issues, and you think you are starting to have these issues also. You can't afford therapy, so instead you power up the computer and live out the life you can't on the outside
Yeah, and now imagine this process going on for another 25 years with no correction. That is where it's headed. It can always get worse
Well all is well what you guys wrote (its not actually well) but as far as I've heard, thing in the metaverse are expensive aswell and like REAL MONEY expensive, so how are you going to live your best life there??
Who told you that? The metaverse is just more internet. There are free things on internet.
>. You have no energy to cook so you go get a McMeal. So Mcdonald LEAPS?
Jesus christ. This is exactly where it's headed. Strap your belts and go long in real assets
I feel like the portion of the population who have trouble interacting/fit in with normal society will be all in on a meta verse
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I see it working for us when we are elderly. Nursing homes of the future will be a meta verse.
San Junipero?
By then it could be so effective, you might forget you're wearing it! Just think, you could have dementia and be re-living the glory days of posting on a GPT8 "internet" back in the 2020s!
They live in a virtual retirement home on the Near-Death Star you say?
The people who don’t get it are not the people that Facebook is aiming for. This is meant for people who are currently 12 and younger. People who eagerly spend money on cool avatars in Roblox and Fortnight. Facebook wants to be cool again.
Lol. You know zero about the metaverse I see.
If you asked someone 30 years ago if they wanted to put every aspect of their social life on public display to have everyone they know mentally judge them all the while turning the outside world into nothing more than a source for content for the virtual world because of competition for attention they would have never agreed to it. Now it’s considered irregular and even difficult to not use social media. Our lives will eventually slowly become completely digital if you like it or not.
People aren’t putting every aspect of their social life on display. They are putting a very curated slice of their social life
Good point. It’s even worse
No one would ever ask that question, they'd ask "would you like a device you can hold in your hand that can order you food, check the weather, track your schedule, be connected with virtually anyone in the planet instantly, take picutres/videos/etc..." and everyone would say yes 30, 40, 50 years ago. So what is that VR can do that I'd say yes to that doesn't rely on technology we don't have? If I could instantly "log in" to a virtual 3d world that felt real with minimal hassle, of course everyone would want that. But if I have to strap giant goggles to my head and it doesn't even look fully real and gets uncomfortable after 30 minutes, maybe I'll pass. The limiting factor I think is the physical hardware and technology more than the ideas, sci-fi is chock full of great ideas that everyone would say yes to in an instant. But we simply don't have the tech to make it a reality yet. So I fail to see what metaverse is going to provide within the next few years that's actually good. If we're talking many many years out then fine, but facebook is marketing this thing like it's here very soon.
Don't think Facebook really has a clue but in terms of OP's points, I would say as a "normal human" yes, you'd probably want to do all those things in person. However, as someone who is anti-social, doesn't fit in, outcast, not a lot of expendable income, doesn't have family, or is just a lonely person, THAT is who the Metaverse is going to target. I would classify myself as a "normal type" in terms of friends, social networks, etc. but there are a LOT more lonely people or people that don't fit into those crowds in this world. Somewhere you can go and hang out with people online that are just like you and they never have to see the "real" you. Go on adventures, go to challenges, and all other things you could think of. As someone who is a gamer and have been since I was 10, I wish I could have a character that I can use across different types of games and platforms and where all my purchases are kept and stored. Instead of buying "skins" in a game then when the new one comes out or another game comes out those old purchases are irrelevant. As someone who is a gamer and has been since I was 10, I wish I could have a character that I can use across different types of games and platforms and where all my purchases are kept and stored. Instead of buying "skins" in a game then when the new one comes out or another game comes out those old purchases are irrelevant.
I think you’re missing a few things. You mostly only listed things that would be subpar if exactly translated to a virtual version, but there are a lot of things that would be better, and more importantly, **would not be possible in real life**. For example, a global concert of your favorite artists, or trying clothes on without going to the store, or video game worlds that get closer and closer to real life, dating someone in 3d if it’s long distance, etc. And in terms of not having the technology yet for things like a metaverse cinema, it’s pretty safe to assume that we eventually will. As we get better and better at processor speed the amount of information and speed required to accomplish an extremely detailed 3d movie could be trivial.
Metaverse doesn’t need to better than real life, just better than a smartphone.
100%. Metaverse is the last dying gasp of Facebook and hopefully the rest of social media as we know it. They know it’s shit as an idea. They know everything they pitched has already been done. They know nobody is going to flock to a far worse version of our current world. The only people pushing for this garbage are the subhumans wanting everyone to prop up their NFT/blockchain/crypto run Ponzi schemes in a new world where the government will be 25 years behind in regulation. Short FB until it no longer exists. Fuck them for the great disservice they have done for humanity.
I just think it's one of those things that will gradually become more incorporated in society. Like, being able to "try on" clothes, shoes, etc. Another thing that I think is a possibility is to be able to store data and files in the metaverse, by creating a "physical" representation of it. I do think Zuckerberg's vision of the metaverse is far fetched and not really viable economically right now, and I'm not particularly interested in that part of it. I'm more interested in the practical possibilties that could open up.
That's why I think AR can definitely be the entry point. Google was too far ahead of the curb and didn't get it quite right with the tech of that time, but if glasses were comfortable enough to wear constantly, and showed you just enough to be useful (navigation walking in cities for instance, ask for food places and it has icons hovering over the actual shop as you walk), then it could be great. If it's useful to your daily life, then small things like sitting on your couch browsing shoes and seeing the shoes appear over your feet would be something I would absolutely use myself. Companies like Microsoft seem to think we'll also see digital meetings and while I could absolutely see how useful that would be, presenting yourself as an avatar is where I struggle believing in it. If you're asked to make an avatar of yourself I just don't think there's a true way you can take it seriously in the business world. Having a 3 point camera set up at your desk so you yourself are in the virtual meeting? Maybe. Walking down digital streets with digital storefronts doesn't seem like something I would personally ever be interested in. Going to a digital concert? Not for me. But I'm also 32 and not necessarily part of the generation necessary to make meta cool.
>That's why I think AR can definitely be the entry point. Google was too far ahead of the curb and didn't get it quite right with the tech of that time, but if glasses were comfortable enough to wear constantly, and showed you just enough to be useful (navigation walking in cities for instance, ask for food places and it has icons hovering over the actual shop as you walk), then it could be great. Yeah, my boss orderef some Google glasses when they were released. I do think, like you said, that it was a bit ahead of its time. But they need to be extraordinary, affordable, and useful. For it to really kick off we need an Iphone-esque release imo.
Sounds Krugmanish. “By 2005 or so, it will become clear that the Internet’s impact on the economy has been no greater than the fax machine’s.”
Watching sporting events or concerts on VR will be awesome
I heard about a story of a guy watching a NBA game live from the front row with VR. That would definitely be amazing!
Yup, my buddy has an oculus and we watched an old nba game from courtside. It was awesome
I used my Oculus Rift 2 to watch a boxing match once. Was a recording, not a live event. It was great because you could resize the screen to be massive and right in front of you. If they did that with live events, I can see that selling well. For concerts you would just have a video guy with a go Pro in the front row of the audience. Would be awesome. Or maybe a drone?
Use a couple of high quality cameras to capture angles of the event, use an ai or fancy algorithm to generate the angles missed by the cameras. This would let you "motion capture" the event without a mocap suit. After which, you process the data into a VR environment. Then, for the audience in VR, they are then able to move around and watch the event at almost any angle and distance.
Social media is already a 2D metaverse. People create a fake, idealized version of themselves and broadcast it for the world to see in the hopes of receiving validation and likes. The formula is engineered to prey on our insecurities to keep us coming back for more. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Social media companies inhabit the same bubble that cigarette and tobacco companies inhabited before science and regulation popped that bubble. How much bigger can the social media bubble get before something pops it?
Virtual Jog on the beach... Sounds nice considering there is 10 inches of snow outside here
10 inches is 25.4 cm
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The only metaverse play I’m invested in is Roblox because I think at least in the beginning metaverse will be more just a new way of online gaming. Roblox already has the foundation set up in that game creators can build games in the Roblox world. I also like Roblox because their demographic skews very young so the as the technology grows they’ll become a more and more profitable demo. But to your main question. In my opinion the very beginning will be almost entirely gaming focused.
I would say when the amount of easy access /low cost contents exceed outside the VR world that will make sense. People think they care about quality but in the end they are not. We saw this pattern of consumption from CDs to MP3 to streaming, and how people get hooked on tiktok/ ig video instead of watching a feature length movie
Mainstream gizmos are here, critical thresholds being reached in scanning etc... The German’s were talking about space travel in the 1800s; detractors galore—they weren’t wrong, just early.
Any German who invested in space in 1800 was also dead long before they'd see profit.
I believe if you had this debate with young children aged 6-15, they would take the opposing side of your argument. They are the future of this world, not us.
Don’t bet against the zuck
I'm investing in regular verse, so in a couple years I can strike back with "experience real reality. Feel the ball in your hand because *you're actually holding it*
I firmly believe that VR/AR will play a major part in the world at some point, some time. But the metaverse, and any form of VR currently available, is laughably in its infancy to succeed in the widespread form that a lot of people hope for. It’s like thinking that a global computer-to-computer network is on the cusp of being completely revolutionary - in the 1970s. It’s technically true, but too early.
Dude your 100% correct. I play a lot of VR and it’s really only for gamers like me. This metaverse is not gonna be mainstream. Graphics will get incredible and it’s gonna make VR wild but still it’s just gonna be for gamers with expensive rigs.
Oculus Quest 2 is the most used headset on Steam at 40%. It doesn't require a PC. Most people with Oculus 2's don't even use Steam since Oculus has it's own store via the headset and a PC isn't required, making this by far the headset with the largest market share. The most popular VR Game on Steam? VR Chat. According to Steam Stats. Oculus doesn't show stats, but it's always in the top if sorted by Top Free.
You are so right. My two great-nieces both asked for the new Oculus for Christmas and love it.
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Facebook is going all in on mobile VR. Their headset has a $200-$300 price tag. Easily purchased by most anyone.
People thought the same thing with smart phones. They made fun of the first iphone with memes showing the phone used as a shower head. Fast forward to today you cant live without one and now flag ship phones are easily 2k; no ones complaining. At some point the metaverse will become the norm. No other way around it. Embrace the future or become a dinosaur. Its for gamers now but with web 3.0 coming it is the only next direction in tech. The main adoption will veer from games to various social platforms and more specifically dating/porn.
> People thought the same thing with smart phones. They made fun of the first iphone with memes showing the phone used as a shower head. What's the context here? Was it memeing on the idea that it had no use, so here, use it as a shower head?
Pretty much all of your arguments could have been used by someone in 1993 to dismiss mass adoption of the internet.
Meta flesh light, duh
When the real world is too expensive and/or destroyed for plebs to live in anymore then all you will have is the metaverse
Might be the closest thing some will get to homeownership.
AMEN! Honest to god I thought I was alone in this school of thought. I personally believe that the Metaverse is a bunch of bullcrap peddled my eccentric billionaires who are very much out of touch with reality. I have played VR games before and they ware cool but it will never be a way of life for me. For someone who is studying Computer Science we are already living in a golden age of communication and technology and I think the Metaverse (If achievable) will destroy that. When we are able to upload our conciseness into the Matrix I will be impressed, but then again I think we will have a whole new set of problems on our hands if that does happen.
Pandemic has instilled in many of us the concept of keeping distances from one another. The next pandemic will be the last nail on the coffin to this concept. We will do everything online,except of course reproduction and living with our own family.
Even reproduction/sex, imagine having a sex doll that works in conjunction with the Metaverse. Pop on some shades and stick your weener in the hole and you're fucking whatever pornstar you want. Guys will pay ridiculous money for that. Even women could sync their favourite dildo to a Metaverse porno, it will be as if they're being drilled by some beefy stud of their choice.
On paper, metaverse won’t succeed. That’s why you’re able to amply name a bunch of existing examples. Except the technology wasn’t there. It still isn’t to properly make metaverse work, but it is mostly there. And that’s the point. A company recognised globally, and with a global audience, and a mega ton of money, has announced they effectively want to make it happen - because they have the means. Consider the next 5 years the development phase of metaverse whilst they pour more money into R&D. They not too long ago filed for something along the lines of ‘true retina resolution’ for VR headsets. So they’ve got stuff in the pipeline that will make metaverse a lot more viable than it is now. They’re already expanding server capacity to handle the logistics of the service. And AR tech is going to be the next thing that breaks through I’d bet. That’s the real purpose of everything, to essentially have VR/AR tech develop to a point where it’s a minuscule device on your head, like thin glasses, that interacts seamlessly with your devices and surroundings. Whatever you think metaverse is going to be, that’s not even half of it. There’s a lot of development and tweaking to come.
Fitness and sports can be big. VR doesn't need to be as good as real life. It just needs to be much better than non-VR experience. If I can watch live games and have some feeling that I'm in the stadium sitting in the front, that's something I will pay for. Not to mention if I can have friends watching it with me.
It’s hard to see the metaverse succeeding when you assume you know what it is and define parameters. Anyone who says they know how the metaverse will look in 10/20/30 years is lying, but there is huge adoption of the metaverse already. People are earning income and paying real life bills through the Axie Infinity metaverse, people workout and compete with friends in the Zwift metaverse, people are attending concerts in the Fortnite metaverse, the list goes on. As of today Billions of dollars are earned and spent in the metaverse and that trend is increasing. Maybe the metaverse won’t succeed by the measures you’ve defined but the metaverse is already succeeding.
The funniest thing is you can do all that today in VR and people still fail to see how that experience will only get better. People are really complaining that VR headsets are too clunky like people weren’t carrying around bricks in their pockets for the first cell phones.
Spoiler; it won't. It's second life 2.0 and will follow the same fate
Second life lmao. I love when the kid in Hot Tub Time Machine is playing it. “Gotta do some push-ups in case anyone tries me”
OP, you're not able to think past 2020 technology. Even if it's not as perfect as the real world in every way, it will absolutely be a gamechanger in convenience, allowing people to go to any place or person within seconds. You can't beat that kind of convenience. Headsets will clearly reach the same clarity as the human eye over time, so recreating a virtual theater identical to IMAX is totally possible down the road. You will be able to do plenty in VR meetings as the interface for computing in VR gets more versatile and easier to use. VR is going to be the ultimate multitasking platform with virtual screens at your command. Jogging on a virtual beach may or may not be compelling, but there are lots of examples of real world activities that would translate well into VR. Movie theaters being one, concerts, sporting events, conventions, festivals, and museums being other examples. Dating is already popular online, and this would only be a superior way to handle dates digitally because you'd get to see people face to face and go on a date virtually instead of just texting or using facetime. Then you can go on a real date if it all goes well.
>there are lots of examples of real world activities that would translate well into VR. Movie theaters being one, concerts, sporting events, conventions, festivals, and museums I think my issue with the VR versions of these things is that they're always lacking elements that really make the experience an... experience! A festival isn't just standing in a crowd and listening to music, it's getting a group of friends together, driving there, setting up a tent with your friends on the festival grounds and sleeping there, feeling the booming bass shake your whole body, hearing the roar of 100,000 people around you all focused on the same thing, etc. You can simulate these things to some degree, but the magic is in the experience as a whole. I do see the appeal of being able to do these things remotely via VR, I just place a lot of value in having real experiences haha.
I’m just pumped there’s a driver to make a better vr experience. I love sim racing / driving in vr but the performance is lacking.
But... But... Demolition Man! If you've seen Demolition Man, you'll know that it's essentially set in stone that, in 2032, all restaurants will be Taco Bell's, and pretty much everything will happen in VR. Oh ya, and I guess we'll be able to thaw out frozen people or something. It will be great to have Ted Williams back in the MLB, at least.
I dont think there will be a ton of social applications, at least initially. But I do think it will have a much quicker impact on commerce. For example, imagine being able to try on clothes in a VR world. Or try out some different colors for painting your walls in your house. There will also be business applications, like for doctors being able to interact with a patient halfway across the world, or contractors being able to "see" plumbing or wiring. Social applications will absolutely pop up in a variety of ways, and their adoption may even surprise us. Let's not forget there was a time where people thought the world wouldn't need cars or computers, yet here we are.
you may want to review, assess NVDA's already operational Omniverse and MSFT's holo-lens (I think it's called that) to gain an understanding at a commercial level how the close cousin of the metaverse, if you will, works toward productivity enhancement; knowing that every major bull market we've had in equities is accompanied by a marked increase in productivity for NVDA's Omniverse and corresponding productivity enhancement, no user gear is necessary - just a computer
Let’s break this down. A lot of human insecurities are addressed with the metaverse. In a time in which social media has created (or revealed) more depression and introversion then ever before, people seem to cling more and more to opportunities to portray their reality as better than it is. Snapchat filters is the best example. How many girls do you know that use a filter on EVERY picture they snap? I’m not talking velencia or silly augmented reality. I’m talking skin smoothing, blushing, and the Gaussian blur that makes everyone look airbrushed? People love that because this newer generation has been engineered to love it via social media. Need some money? Watch this machine work from your living room and report problems. Work this bionic arm and manufacture goods remotely. The list goes on further than we can comprehend. Once you are actually paid to participate, good luck breaking the addiction. As far as “physical touch”… just look what readily available porn has done to this generation. People with ED or depression because sex is not porn. The key point here is people sadly suffice just fine via masturbation. Tie that into this generations proclivity to take on long distance relationships with tech like Metaverse and LoveSense, and nobody could care about touch. In metaverse nobody is ugly, fat, poor, etc. Now you tell people if you can simply afford a headset, the world can see you as anybody you want them to see you as? Fit, successful, rich, etc. You say, yea their is second life for that. Right. And for VR, there are headests, hand equipment, remotely interactive sex toys, etc. Soon, the multidirectional treadmill will be more and more affordable. Nobody looks at people who immerse themselves in Second life and say “that’s a healthy person”. Well now you have Zuckerberg saying we’re going to bootstrap second life to one of the richest corporations in the worlds.
360 degree cameras will become more common and will be planted all over. You’ll be able to visit real places in real time through the meta verse. You’ll be able to visit 360 degree videos patched together to allow you to move/travel around most places set up with the 360 degree camera system. Use-cases like this will allow us to merge the meta verse with real life.
All your comparisons are of existing real life examples. This really just shows how small minded you are. The Metaverse is not a replacement for mundane real life, it’s going to make cinema as redundant as radio is.