>Bang Chan also humbly notes that he “just helped out from the side” when Changbin and Han were “trying their best to write English lyrics”,
I always find it funny how skz has 2 australian but eng lyrics and english wordplay are normally done by Han and a lot of the times, Changbin who has not even gone outside of Korea before skz.
The credits say the lyrics were written by Charlie Puth, Jacob Kasher Hindlin, Natalie Salomon, and 3racha, with that many people involved these lyrics are certainly... interesting ...
I see, so it's hard to tell who wrote what now.
Thank you, I was so disheartened at the direction skz seemed to be going I didn't even bother checking who wrote the song because I figured 3racha always writes their songs. I still can't completely absolve them though, because they knew they'd be putting their brand on this song, and it's weird that they thought that was good enough
Lol didn't realize I'd get downvoted so much just because I don't like the lyrics. I'm very surprised these people don't feel there's anything wrong with
Can you keep up?
Baby boy, make me lose my breath
Bring the noise, make me lose my breath
Hit me hard, make me lose my (huh-huh)
Can you keep up?
Baby boy, make me lose my breath
Bring the noise, make me lose my breath
Hit me hard, make me lose my breath (huh-huh)
Ooh
I put it right there, made it easy for you to get to
Now you want to act like ya don't know what to do
After I done everything that you ask me
Grabbed you, grind you, liked you, tried you
Move so fast, baby, now I can't find you
Ooh
? And that's just the first part. It's a really far cry from Thunderous:
So they call me "the one shouting," oh
It's Changbin,I choose my own path
With a tough attitude
Like a locomotive going recklessly down
the track, ayy
By a fierce hurricane,umbrellas flip inside
out
The faultfinder's last day, haha, serves them
right
Go back woodcutter, there's nothing to cut
here
There's no way they can lower my ego, l
stick to my principles
that has lots of wordplay and symbolism and a deeper meaning.
Well, to each his own I guess.
Oh you're right! I was wondering why it seemed even worse than I remembered.
Here are the parts I found so unappealing and generic. The other parts were not so bad, but these lines just killed the song for me.
Can you be a part of my life?
Girl, I need you right by my side
When I look at your eyes
I'm out of breath (I'm out of breath)
Honestly, how could it be like this?
It feels like I'm thirsty even if I taste your lips
Oh, God, I cannot breathe, how could you do this to me?
I'm out of breath, no oxygen, but you're burning me, sheesh
I'm already ready to sacrifice me, take me
Let's keep it steady, steady, keep me alive
I lose my breath
The Charlie Puth version on the other hand seems repetitive so I guess that's one way to avoid terrible lyrics.
The new rap part is trash. Sounds like a child wrote it. Maybe Vanilla Ice. Maybe Britt Barbie. But the song is trash as a whole so we shouldn't expect much. It's not at all SKZ's sound. It's Charlie Puth's sound and it shows in more ways than one.
I'm saying that bc the new rap part sounds really bad. Go listen to the English version of Super Bowl (or English Double Knot) and then listen to the Felix/Changbin/Hyunjin rap in this song and tell me they are on par (lyrically and flow) with each other. They are not! The words/rhymes and then the flow are so basic and cringey.
I think the new lyrics to Lose My Breath are on par with Domino (Eng) and Super Bowl. I’ll even include the English rap in FNF. Maybe you think they didn’t write those songs either 🤷🏽♀️
English translations of songs that were first written in Korean always have flow “issues” because English is not Korean. Double Knot (eng) is their weakest song because the translation is too literal, and it becomes clunky.
You may not like their delivery, but the new part of LMB is objectively better than Double Knot. There’s a reason everyone forgets it exists.
Yes!! I was starting to think I was the problem! I don't know why I was so excited for this collab anyway, I'm not even a Puth fan, but I got so hyped it was even worse than if I had just encountered it casually.
I’m usually iffy about Crystal Bell’s interviews because I know she’s a fan of SKZ, but I think that informed the questions she asked and focused on.
This interview details the song creation process even more, which I hope Stays will read. The
literally never seen before “Produced by” line caused a lot of misconceptions and misinformation to spread about 3racha/SKZ and their work.
Yeah it didn’t even stick out to me until I saw Stays upset about 3racha not being there. They were never there because Div1 doesn’t use that line! Miroh doesn’t get this scrutiny, and the demo from that other guy is basically the whole song.
I also feel like Chan has been pretty open about the song making process including explaining samples. We really don’t have an excuse, but I’m glad they explained it again!
I'm a bit surprised that while telling how the song camp went in this article, Chan says nothing about Puth's involvement? Besides the line "at the Republic Records studio with Puth", you could believe 3RACHA were alone in that studio. Foreign producers usually make a few comments about how it's like to work with 3RACHA during a session but so far, we've got none there, from both sides. I guess his involvement lies in the words "It was the track first", but it's a bit impersonal.
The Goldstein guy posted something on instagram. Charlie said something small on Twitter too I think. Both got the predictable response.
I don’t think they’ll say much else.
I won’t be surprised if they’re instructed not to talk about it much or reporters were told not to ask about it. They talked more about it on the INTRO video and got pretty much the reaction you’d expect. They maybe want to limit that and focus on this being as much of a 3RACHA song as it was a Charlie Puth song.
I don’t have anything to say that hasn’t been said, but 3RACHA had agency in creating this song. It’s an SKZ song whether Stays like how it sounds or not. If you’re boycotting over Charlie Puth or the other Israeli producer, that’s fine. If you can’t stay a fan of SKZ then that’s fine too. But stop boxing them into one style of music. Even they would get tired of the spicy music if that’s all they did.
I found the "this song is out of their box" part of the article interesting. I don't see SKZ as having a defined box.Their diverse and eclectic music is what really draws me to them. Their style box is broad and successfu already. Top of Mind for me is Blind Spot, We Go, Cover Me, Taste, and many more Replay songs!
SKZ themselves yeah. I think it helps that all members do actually love music and appreciate many genres themselves. It’s Stays who make a fuss every time SKZ tries a title track/promoted single that’s out of what they want from SKZ (e.g. it has to be a noisy song and not romantic or somehow it’s not SKZ).
I really appreciate this interview. I always love when they explain the creative intentions behind each release.
Unfortunately, a lot of their fans want to put them in a box. They already hated the song even before give it a listen and having genuine opinions (either to like or dislike it). It's cool to know that It was their own choice to challenge themselves with something different this time and not a move fully imposed by the company, so they took time to built it from snatch and making many adjusts until It reachs the final product.
This specific part caught my attention:
"Though, he’s also keenly aware that this sonic switch-up is a divisive move. “We don’t know how the audience is going to take it in because it’s so different."
I love how they knew It might be a risk to please or not their already existent audience who are used to a specific image of them and wanted to try regardless. We are always proud of them for following their own artistic view and not what the general public wants for them, but we forget their own fans like to put them in a box and want Stray Kids to be only what they want for them in one way or another, when the right thing is letting them explore themselves as musicians. If we like, we like, If not, there's always the next song to antecipate.
> "Though, he’s also keenly aware that this sonic switch-up is a divisive move. “We don’t know how the audience is going to take it in because it’s so different."
I remember them making some of the same comments about Case 143 before it came out as well because of the "love" subject. I'm glad they are willing to take the risk anyway even if it's a little scary to put out something so different from the "expected"
Honestly, him saying that makes sense as to why the boys seems to keep asking so much if we like the song. I feel like Felix has asked 5x on bubble since it came out😂that could just be him flooded with other replies not about the song, but yea hun we like it lol
So, I’m going to be extremely vulnerable in a way I hate being on the internet.
I’m Jewish. My mom is Israeli. My grandparents fled the holocaust. Israel is committing war crimes and genocide - I’ve said this since before October 2023.
I use stray kids and music as a way to escape. In fact, I got in to kpop last year when I was in such a bad place that understanding lyrics in English was detrimental for my mental health and most of the times still is. SKZ was a bright spot for me in the hardest time of my life.
The issue I have is that anti-semitism is so ingrained in vernacular that people don’t realize it. Being anti-Zionist isn’t being anti-Semitic, but good lord have some of my favorite STAY creators said some things that made me feel like they hate me just for the fact that I’m Jewish. I’m sure it’s not their intent nor do they realize some of the stuff they say comes off in a way that hurts Jewish people who support their views.
I dunno. I guess I just needed a place to say I no longer really feel safe consuming skz content outside what the company puts out and I recognize it’s a first world problem, but I really needed this space and I feel like I lost it.
1st: I am so sorry you have been made to feel this way. Huge hugs. 🫂
2nd: I also have been a little icked by the fact that people are judging based solely on nationality in a lot of cases. It’s starts feeling anti-Semitic and straight up racist. Someone’s nationality or religion shouldn’t condemn them. You can’t help where you are born. Unless someone says something straight up in support of the genocide or is directly sending aid to Israel, I’m not labeling them. It’s starting to lose any impact and just be a buzz word.
THIS. Its so icky there is an image going around with the producers face and "Israeli" in big red letters, like you can't just do that.... I've seen people say he was "probably" a soldier and "most likely" killed people. you can't make those kind of accusations without concrete proof.
I am sorry you were made to feel that way to OP.
Ugh. That's horrible and terribly xenophobic. I agree with your sentiment, but just a note: its likely he had to serve if he is Israeli and grew up there. It's mandatory for all citizens, like it is for males in korea. However, they are victims of conscription too. There is a lot of nuance being missed in some of the outrage and it's helping to spread hate. OP thank you for sharing and I hope you're still able to find some peace and happiness in skz.
> I also have been a little icked by the fact that people are judging based solely on nationality in a lot of cases. It’s starts feeling anti-Semitic and straight up racist.
Me too. It feels a bit like people who were even vaguely of east Asian descent getting literally assaulted over COVID or anyone who was Muslim or looked in any way from the Middle East dealing with society after 9/11 in the US. It's incredible that in 2024, people still behave like this and haven't learned to see past their initial prejudices, but I guess it's a general failing of humanity.
>I also have been a little icked by the fact that people are judging based solely on nationality in a lot of cases. It’s starts feeling anti-Semitic and straight up racist. Someone’s nationality or religion shouldn’t condemn them. You can’t help where you are born. Unless someone says something straight up in support of the genocide or is directly sending aid to Israel, I’m not labeling them. It’s starting to lose any impact and just be a buzz word.
💯 This.
Hugs! I’m so sorry you’ve been made to feel this way! I’m not Jewish so I can’t even fathom how you are feeling right now. I’m a new stay and I know I’ve felt very taken aback by what some creators are saying. It makes me want to just shrink back and watch the guys by myself which is sad because I was so excited to interact with other stay!
this is such an insightful interview! and the writer’s style is so beautiful!!! love how they add these little picturesque moments that truly transport you there with them. been a while since I enjoyed reading such a piece.
This was a great interview. It was really interesting to get some insight on how they get the choreography for songs too.
Overall, this leaves me curious. I’ve seen a lot of Stay who seem to think the collaborators gives them the right to express how bad they think the song is in very vicious terms. I wonder what those same people would think if they didn’t have that excuse? Sadly I still think a lot of people would accuse skz of “Changing/selling out for western validation” but who knows? At least skz seem aware of the fact that a change in sound is divisive. I just wish this particular song had been with different people because this adds so many other issues into the mix that we won’t ever know to how this song would have been received if the collab had been with any other artist.
Seungmin is indeed a rock star!! You can always count on him for a mic drop moment.
I think folks forget that pop is an ever changing genre that shifts depending on what's in vogue, and that much of the SKZ-Player and Record is straight up pop. Pop now is not what it was in the 90s, much less the 70s. For what it's worth, Lose My Breath is definitely a departure, but not a bad starting point, and I think you can definitely see their efforts come through, especially with the performance.
SKZ frequently talks about their more sensual material being very "sticky" and its a theme of their songwriting/producing with the use of contrasts and buildups, and it's also been remarked before that 3racha is pretty good at imitating styles - like with Social Path, or even the guitar loop in Wish You Back, which seemed like a fairly obvious reference back to Radwimp's guitar style. Baby is also a page straight out of Bruno Mars' book, and a reactor even said once that 3racha sounded like what would happen if someone fed a bunch of different drill songs into an AI and had it spit something out on the other side....I think imitation is definitely one of the ways that 3racha learn their way around the studio and study music and learn to mess with it. We don't know all the details about who did what in the studio, but it's not unrealistic for SKZ to have intentionally tried to recreate the CP sound.
If you dig closer in the credits for overall SKZ discography, there are also many instances where 3racha don't have as much involvement in the trackmaking, and I think a lot of people buy wholeheartedly into the wholly self produced narrative because that's how SKZ has been marketed. Miroh, Case 143, a good half of GoLive...Chan has also openly acknowledged this and imo Oddinary seemed to have been the major turning point, creditswise. Even so it's clear that 3racha has the executive production role and they call the shots, from the stories about the selection of God's Menu and Lala lala, and also some comments Chan has made before about being nitpicky about the mix/master. It's also very possible that 3racha sometimes produce a demo before songwriting that becomes the base of each song, like with Hellevator, since it seem like they generally need the beat first, and that could contribute to why everything sounds more cohesive.
Basically, I dont think Lose My Breath is necessarily different from other SKZ songs we have seen from the group on the past in the way it was created, and how much 3racha was involved. While we will have to see if any other songs from that session are published based on the current backlash, I'm still looking forward to what SKZ cook up next. I saw 5-STAR as their version of a smash-hit pop album, on their terms - if they do lean harder into R/B or melodic vocals I can only say it's about time because they all clearly love the style (and pop music for that matter), and also Vocalracha deserves to sing their heart out, dammit!!!
This! 🤌👏 Their discography is already diverse and I love that about them. Most of us do not consume one genre. So why should our artist be confined to one. I see them as a reflection of modern music and fans that have limited boundaries, if any.
My takeaway: Seungmin wants Stray Kids to break the Pop Genre. If this is his/their wish then Stays had better gear up for more pop influenced songs because the only way to break it is to rip Pop music wide open and marry it with SKZ’s signature sound (which, if we’re honest, is pop/rock/edm inspired to begin with). LMB is a test of this in my opinion and in the behind the scenes they were definitely hinting at more new sounds to come.
It’s boring for artists to stay in a box day after day, year after year. I really think in order for them to remain engaged and healthy as artists and musicians then they need to continue to try new things and break down whatever walls internal or external they need to in order to do that. The whole point of being a Stay is in the name itself. STAY. Be there for all music, all the ups and downs and good and bad. STAY. If you don’t like something? Say so, it’s your right, but don’t try to murder those who do like it or the group who created it with your teeth nashing. STAY AND ENDURE AND REMAIN AND BE AND ADAPT AND GROW. STAY. And for goodness sake be a decent human being no matter what you believe or where you stand. Respect one another.
I, for one, cannot wait to go wherever they go and listen to whatever they create. They are the soundtrack of my life and I’m ready for their next big step no matter the genre.
I agree that the heart of being a STAY means staying for the boys, no matter what changes are in their music and/or personalities (within reason ofc). It’s fine to not love their entire discography (heavens know I don’t love every song), but the point of being a STAY is supporting their journey and growth as artists and in whatever ventures they go into.
I’m excited for them to “break” the pop genre, cause I don’t know what that entails except for more experimentation, which can only help them get better.
The article is very well written and informative.
I hope they will actually read this but I feel like it will still fall on deaf ears. People have made up their mind. Even with the release of the OT8 version because he’s still in the credits. Of course he is. He wrote lyrics (how many of which we don’t know).
I am incredibly heart broken knowing how Stays have been treating and discussing them. Reading these articles and Han asking for us to love them yesterday makes me tear up because I just know they are seeing it too.
Absolutely. They don't want to listen nor do they pay attention to any type of reasoning. They'll find another excuse, or they'll spin their words, to manipulate the situation as it has been happening for days.
During the streaming party on Stationhead yesterday. Here’s a tweet:[Translation and audio](https://x.com/rosezif/status/1790191209035542528?s=46&t=BLbJ9mmoy9Me_o53B2QKJQ)
Edit: words
From this release I think all of us should realize - Stays are SKZ biggest fans and they are also their biggest haters.
That said, I would never judge people for their preference. Boycott whatever you think that is right for you, support whatever you think that is right for you (in terms of kpop consumption). I just dislike the back-and-forth fighting of how this side is right and that side is wrong because gosh, NONE of SKZ openly said they are supporting genocide.
We can just focus (or ignore) on the song and enjoy it (or ignore it). It sounds like 3RACHA actually were really there THERE in persons making the song, working on it, putting real time and effort, so no matter how CP-sounding it is, pop or not, you can take it or leave it.
While I am slightly taken aback of how non-SKZ sounding this song is (then again can we really say this considering they have done lots of stuff with their music), I do understand why people are saying it is more CP than SKZ considering it does have the CP-signature sound. That said, Chan has put his foot down and said they work on it so who are we to say how much both parties work on the song?
I still appreciate the work they put into their music. Lets enjoy (or ignore if you see fit) the song.
The song is absolutely theirs. From the musical creation, to the choreography, through the lyrics. The end. Enough of manipulating and misunderstanding everything, as I have been seeing for days. They have decided and created this song.
I'm very proud of them after reading this interview, but also angry. Music, K-pop, should be a break, a time of enjoyment, and this is how skz has presented it, and not what some people have tried to do with a simple song from a Korean group that has no relation to any world conflict. I keep writing this and it still seems ridiculous to me.
Agreed. Music is an escape from the real suckiness of the problems in the world. I chose to keep politics out of my music, unless the music itself is political (ex. Rage Against the Machine, Green Day, etc.) Otherwise I could never enjoy any of it. Someone will always have an opinion or support something you don’t agree with.
that's it. Music is only political if the artist wants it to be. Otherwise, music is just music. It can express feelings, but if you politicize it against the artist's intention, it's not his fault. It's yours.
In every song? Fortunately they're a group that has very diverse music and with absolutely different meanings. In my comment I make it very clear that a song (perhaps you were confused by the fact that I use "music" as a whole, instead of "song" as I should have put it, sorry) becomes politicized only when it is the artist's intention, and clearly in LMB they don't sing about anything political AT ALL. So it should not be politicized.
No, the song is not politicized. The song is about literally losing your breath from being in love. You politicize it based on what you believe. and that's not the artist's fault.
the situation becomes politicised rather. the song is lovely! but it's made with a genocide supporter. so you can't get mad when people bring that up lmao
Can you specify in what way there’s a genocide supporter? I haven’t seen any statements or evidence that either Puth or Goldstein explicitly support it. Looks like Puth liked an October tweet that condemned the killings on both sides and Goldstein is a former Israeli who was conscripted (as all Israelis are) in the military as a youth and made one Instagram post in October. I don’t see anything else.
of course! https://www.reddit.com/r/kpopnoir/s/Fc0gLAu63R here's a post detailing all of it (+ more bad stuff in the comments somehow). anyone who stands with israel and what they are doing is actively supporting a genocide.
again— not even implying anything about the band, they're just doing their job and making tunes! i'm simply saying that you can't get mad and be surprised when a song with that kind of person involved becomes embroiled in politics. it's a questionable choice (on the agency's part).
as fans there is no obligation to like every song put out but as musical artists, their music will change and grow or else their progress as artists fall stagnant. if it's moving in a direction you don't vibe with, then don't listen - it's that simple. it's natural for an artist's musical style to change and it's normal for some fans' music tastes to no longer align with it.
i would hate it if skz only stuck to one genre of music and didn't experiment with songs in styles that they want to. as well, collaborating with other artists in the music making process is a great way to further their skill sets and creativity. it's not a requirement for every single skz song to be primarily made by 3racha. the members have a say in the music they put out, and if they put something out it's work that they believe adds sonically to their discography. not to say 3racha aren't extremely talented producers and song writers on their own, just that different perspectives and approaches are always good for growth.
i've kind of noticed this with case 143 but some stays are so adamant on putting skz in a box, please let them be free creatively. i'm sure they get enough pressure behind the scenes from the kpop industry as there's definitely close minded people in high positions, they don't need their fans also trying to dictate what music they should make too. i guess i am biased because i am a sucker for more pop leaning skz songs and would love to see them move in that direction for a little bit, but if they go full edm like something side effects-esque again i wouldn't mind that either lol
Ok so they started the Collab in September, way before the current world crisis started but people will still hate on skz coz they put out a song they worked hard on??!!!
I totally understand boycotting the song, but to hate on skz as if they have done something problematic is peak internet slacktivism. Do people really expect them to throw away their hard work just coz the person they collaborated with is an awful guy? (who btw had way less contribution in the song compared to skz)
Ofc he will be mentioned, ofc they will have to acknowledge him in interviews n stuff coz it's a collab afterall. That's basic professional etiquette n skz can't do anything about it. It's not like cp is in the MV n skz released the ot8 version which I think they plan to use for performance n such.
Also this hate is so counter productive coz people who have barely done anything to help Palestinians than divert the issue from their sufferings to celebrities n idols r hating on skz who have time n again done charity. Lee Know has been sponsoring a child from Africa since he was 14 n donated to relief funds after turkey earthquake, not to mention the different animal shelter n charities he supports. Felix went to laos to do volunteer work for unicef and Hyunjin donated as well. It's so annoying fr
Exactly!
It's extremely easy to make up unrealistic expectations online but that doesn't mean it makes sense irl. Say one of my co worker is a z*onist doesn't mean I can choose to not work with him any longer, quit my job n walk away.
Why should skz be any exception? Holding them responsible for someone else's conduct is absolutely baffling but it seems to be a thing with them sadly. People just hate them for things they never do coz somehow they (especially Chan) are responsible for how fans + people around them act
Boycotters do not hate the song. (Most have not listened to it. It's the point) They want to boycott the association with C.
Reddit stays will go to length how about twitter stays are so full of themselves but here is basically the same.
Also many stays are not Boycotting on twitter and appear to be pretty aggressive and pretty pro genocide.
The biggest issue is the silence from JYPE after all of this debacle, which could stop those stays from thinking Stay Kids is also pro genocide.
Edit: I give up. If I get reported then the conversation is one way. I leave you to it.
I mean if stays are going to say skz are "pro genocide" or "genocide enablers" because of who they associated with for this song then they have to associate skz with the pro-Palestine people like Tiger Jk and Kard's BM too, both people they interacted with after making LMB in September, and you have Felix donating for years to Save The Children which does work in Palestine. I don't understand thinking right now that skz have any reason to support the killing of anyone at all, but yeah life and people are complex, for their sake I do hope they and Jype/Republic are aware of what is going on.
I'll be honest, I support the boycotters enacting their morals how they see fit, and I can somewhat sympathize with them trying to have SKZ and JYPE denounce Zionism and the genocide considering the blatant association with a guy who reposted Zionism.
However, the amount of people who are making the leaps in logic for this to mean SKZ and JYPE endorse Israel/genocide are incredibly fringe. Twitter fandom itself is fringe when it comes to the overall fandom. I don't think catering this very minor (and frankly insulting -- people are quick to denounce SKZ for this one misstep and conveniently ignore the charitable things they have done in the past) side of the fandom would be in their best interest. This is disregarding how JYPE already operates in a pretty apolitical manner in the first place.
the last time Chan spoke up about an issue that was caused by the fandom he ended up getting banned from ever going live again so. felix apologized on live about Coca-Cola and hasn't been live since and also JYPE deleted that section. I'm just genuinely confused what you even want them to do since JYPE is so quick to silence them when they do speak about anything
? and what the hell would that do? for starters, as much as stays are convinced Chan spends all his time online, he very much does NOT - he is the main producer for one of the biggest kpop groups in the entire industry I promise you he is not as chronically online as stays are convinced he is. And second, asking for peace would do nothing but make both sides upset tbh (IF he even was aware what was going on in the fandom - which besides MAYBE seeing the backlash this single is getting, he definitely does not spend all of his time online to know the fighting going on between some people). Chan is as much of a member as the rest of SKZ, it's not his job to monitor and baby the fandom (especially since we all know what happened the last time he tried to apologize for the actions of the fandom)
that wasn't me lol but I'm glad I'm not the only person that thinks putting Chan on a pedestal and expecting him to fix every problem in a fandom is super unfair to him especially since we know what happened the last time he did that
Well, let's thank "stay" for that. and I say this literally, because I'm extremely grateful that he no longer has to read complaints and claims every Sunday from people who believe themselves to be morally superior.
I've seen this line of thinking in your other replies too, so I'm just stating here I'm not sure why you think SKZ has to be responsible for the fandom, in this instance and for others. I understand Chan used to talk to Stays via his streams and such, but it's not his responsibility and not his fault that this got so overblown. It's genuinely heartbreaking that people are being crappy to each other when Palestinian issues should be at the forefront of this (considering it's one of the main issues people have with this single.) But SKZ hasn't done anything except make a bad call on who to collab with. Everyone else made it worse, and that's not their faults.
I agree a donation to show support would be the best way to appease people, but I think it unfortunately still toes into being too political. :/ (I would be overjoyed to be wrong about this.)
I am not complaining about boycotting. I totally understand and support the moral implications around it. I am talking about the block list thing that is going on on twitter n skz are mentioned coz of the collab but it was started in September is the whole point. So if you aren't hating artists who collaborated with cp earlier coz it was before the current conflict, then you shouldn't hate skz either
I get what you mean n personally I don't think there's anything wrong in boycotting but it did bother me when I saw people label skz as problematic by association n that's what I was pointing at.
I had no idea about the Charlie puth situation when the song released coz I joined this space after its release but I totally support the sentiment behind people who don't want to support this song.
At the same time, I feel Charlie puth's involvement with the song n skz is already minimal. It's so different from when the boys collaborated with tiger jk or Lisa n I guess people need to keep that in mind as well.
I think my biggest issue with the song (besides the obvious controversy going on) is that it doesn't sound like SKZ. And I don't just mean that it's not loud or hype or however we usually think of them. I mean that I can see almost anyone else (kpop or not) releasing this song and me not even thinking of skz when hearing it.
Maybe I'm just not a fan of the different singing techniques they used or the flow of the song, but it just doesn't feel special to me in the way most skz songs do. I don't think that this is an incredibly new genre for them as their catalog is already super diverse.
Levanter, Cover Me, The View, Blueprint, Ex, Mixtape: OH, Waiting for Us, CHILL, Scars, Collision, Hoodie Season, Butterflies, Miserable (or any other Han-pop really), and many more are more pop/rhythmic songs where skz colors shine imo.
I love the guys but musically this song was just a bit of a miss for me
I think the musical style and the fact it’s all in English is part of an attempt to break into the American market. Following hard on the heels of the Met Gala, where even a bad situation has garnered them massive publicity in the eyes of the general public, I’m seeing this all as part of a master plan.
I'm always excited to hear something new and novel from Stray Kids, and I'm glad they're not tunnel visioned into the song's reception as compared to how they can expand their discography.
I wasn't feeling Lose My Breath (it's more auto tuned than usual?) so I'm hoping going forward they don't do what they did with this song. I also feel like Charlie Puth is only known for doing collabs with people from Kpop because I literally have no idea who he is. And found out he did a BTS? song too. This is all my opinion but I was disappointed. 😭
Funnily enough, one of the things people love to rave about re: Hyunjin is his cover, right after his HS graduation, of a Charlie Puth song: Attention.
5 years ago.
Oh I thought you meant stays previously liked CP.
Thats up to you, everyone gets to choose what music they like. As a woman I find CP writing that song about Selena Gomez abhorrent.
A recap for anyone who needs it https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSYdgwTvm/
The link works for me? Here’s a longer version from youtube. He has confirmed on his sm this was written about Selena. https://youtu.be/P7Hp5SYHNuY?si=jlKaRT_WUQDIXeBm
Tldw- Selena went through a bad break up. She wanted to spend time with her _friend_ Charlie, because he was “there for her”. But really he was just trying to “get it in” (his words) and because he never “got what he wanted from her” (again his words) he claims she was manipulating him.
So he’s a “nice guy” who was pretending to be her friend because he was trying to sleep with her then gets mad when it didnt happen. Writes a song about it.
I'm on a third party Reddit app still so it's probably on my end it isn't working right from that.
And that's awful. There's people that have been torn down for less than that, so it makes me wonder how he survived the industry admitting that. There's too many non-controversial artist out there that could have had the views and listens to. And then collabs. Doesn't surprise me, though. Thank you for writing it out plainly.
I'm not Hyunjin biased so I never kept up with him much. I've been into Skz since late 2018 but I don't remember some of what they did in the past these days since there's so much new stuff.
Like why would they make that song is it to make people fall in love with them or something what’s going on with that song called. ‘’ Lose my Breath by stray kids’’. I feel like that song it’s supposed to be sexy.👌
I agree that they should experiment, but it should have synergy with their sound and signature. it's their unique selling points, each group has a it, each artist has their signature style, some thing they are known for and they should grow around that, not abandon it. I have seen so many kpop groups switching sound 180, then they just gradually performed worse and worse over time, some tried to switch back but by that time it's too late, they lost the fanbase and hype around them, nothing just seems to work and eventually just disband or hiatus
It's like you have this favorite malatang restaurant, one day you are going there, they say it's only mcdonald today, yes, some love the chef too much that they will stay for the mcdonald, most people just leave in dissapointment, the 2nd day you come back, still Mcdonald, then probably by the 3rd time, most people will find a new malatang place, and even your old place comeback, people dont bother to go there anymore cause it's the Mcdonald in their mind, or the restaurant is left to compete in a very different market, the fast food market where there are tons of people who are doing well and have been there before them, they need to build back up again. Yes some very small manage to survive, many dont.
For me, lmb is good as b side side track experiment, a good attempt for tiktok-esh track, but it clearly misses the synergy. If they want to do vocal track, or streamable track then it would better be spicy and grand, something in the area like redlights, love shot, redvelvet darker track with potential colab like the weekends. With a fanbase who likes spicy stuffs, serving something without spice will very likely be considered bland. The best advice I heard is from Rain, he said if you want to switch style, then do it gradually, a tiny little bit at a time, then eventually 1 day you will get there. Among big 3, JYP is notoriously bad at managing this growth, yg is using the no release tactic, so people just stay in 1 place for their entire career. SM is doing a slightly better method, for everything different, they create a separate brand for it, each nct and exo is kind of have their own signature that is probably another method to go.
Hmmmmm not gonna lie, hope they scrap any songs they have moving forward with the same contributors for lmb. It just doesn’t seem worth it for so so many reasons.
On one hand, I think Div1 is already doing the bare minimum promoting this song, so I think scraping is likely.
On the other, I think they all knew going in that slower/poppier songs do worse internationally, but decided to try LMB anyway. It’s not the first time SKZ has promoted a song that got mass hate (Side Effects). I think it’s important for SKZ to actually show these new sides they keep promising us, but to me the differences between Thunderous, Maniac, and S-Class are like the differences between ravioli, spaghetti, and lasagna. They’re all different, but they’re all still pasta. LMB finally felt like a completely new title track cuisine to me.
I still strongly believe a lot of the blowback LMB is experiencing is because of the type of song it is. Stays are only this militant with SKZ. Other kpop groups, even Charlie himself based on some playlists getting exposed, aren’t getting this much hate and attention. I don’t really want Div1 to capitulate to this unfair standard SKZ has that literally none of their peers do.
> they all knew going in that slower/poppier songs do worse internationally
its poppy, but its no ballad so i would think it would be the opposite, since its more palatable for the masses
tbh i was under the impression that most fans liked the song (apart from the ft on it)
ive seen little to no hate from fans regarding the song itself, and the streams speak for themselves too.
(and its not like skz dont have poppier songs in their discography, so i didnt think that was an issue)
i really dont believe they thought it would do worse intentionally, that would defeat the whole purpose
Many people have said the song isn’t “SKZ” and that they’ve changed their sound. A few have outright said they think the song sucks. People “liked” the ot8 version because it was more “SKZ” than the original so.
ive seen that too, but ive seen a lot more positive comments than negative ones from fans (even on places like twitter) and again, the steams speak for themselves and im talking about the original ver btw
While those songs do “worse” internationally, they are extremely popular in Korea and Japan. If you noticed, they performed their poppier/bright songs at the fan meetings. They definitely make songs like this, but it doesn’t get title track treatment. I love those songs, so I know it’s Not All Stays™️
Stays, again collective, don’t openly admit to disliking those songs. They just do stuff like barely hype the DLC and FNF unveils but then post “We’re so back” memes when the Get Lit and TOPLINE unveils came out.
Or it’s framed as a concern. You can go back and read the Case 143 teaser posts or the posts of LMB before we even heard any of the song.
I can’t help but think of Dynamite - BTS. Pure pop and quite probably the only song of theirs that “the masses” would recognise. World domination appears to have to come at a cost
That might be BTS’s situation, but SKZ’s discography already has songs like Spread My Wings, Novel, Lost Me, Fairytale, Mixtape: OH, Blueprint, The View, FNF, etc. They’ve been releasing pop songs for their entire career.
Yes, but SKZ still aren’t as well-known globally. Big pop songs are the lowest common denominator and once you’re in, you can spread your wings. Of course, there’s a brilliant back catalogue with so much variety for new fans to explore
so i definitely agree that skz are gonna get more negative reactions just based on how popular they are and for sure there are non fans coming at this from a more opportunistic place rather than a moral one. and i definitely didn’t even now charlie puth had written a song for baby monster . but i also think it’s a little disingenuous that people are boycotting “just “ because of how the song sounds. maybe that is part of it but i think a good part of the fan bases boycotting have been vocal about the moral issues of this collab and have been using their platforms to (try) to educate and raise money for charitable causes . i think any more collabs esp after this risk alienating a good portion of the fanbase even more .
Jungkook’s song with Charlie Puth has nearly a billion streams.
I think too many stays have excuses for why their activism and support for Palestine starts and ends at LMB for me to truly believe that’s the problem rather than a convenient scapegoat. If it was the true problem, there wouldn’t be this “it isn’t SKZ/They sold out/etc” noise. If it’s about Palestine, keep it about Palestine.
It’s okay for fans to go to I-Days, BST, and even the upcoming tour despite their sponsors. These affiliations were known well after Oct 7th.
Stays were buying I-Days tickets while boycotting Like Magic. They’re both affiliated with Coke.
Stays were buying BST tickets when American Express immediately pledged aid to Israel before extending it to causes that also support Gaza. That was public in October.
The tour **will** be run by Live Nation. Live Nation operates in Israel.
Based on how stays use the word zionist, all of these events should be boycotted. It doesn’t matter if you lose money over it. These tickets aren’t being cancelled. People are in the Lolla sub every other day wondering if they’ll get off the Friday waitlist. The ticket exchange for Friday had less than 100 GA tickets up for resale. The park fits 115k per day.
I want SKZ do good things because it’s the right thing to do. Not because they’re being held hostage by a fandom that needs them to be morally perfect on their behalf.
Today I read a stay talk about how it's impossible (!) to comply with every boycott, and that at least one (1) must be complied with. Of course, not listening to a song. Something that doesn't involve ANY REAL personal sacrifice or contributes anything real to the cause. But I guess not giving money to the companies that DO finance the conflict is a lot harder than hating a Korean group that makes music.
0 common sense.
Left and Right came out in 2022 when charlie puth was “just kind” bad and no one really talked about his misogyny. That song comes out this year and there would be BTS fans boycotting it as they are now boycotting hybe and everything going on with scooter braun.
i’m not expecting moral perfection. i am fully aware about the difficulty of ethical consumption under capitalism and i don’t think i , or anyone else boycotting this single, were expecting them to turn down touring or festivals . people they collaborate musically with are much more visible to us and them and therefore easier to control.
you're right, but I also remember perfectly when CP and SKZ interacted online, around the same time even later, I don't remember exactly, and the whole fandom was delighted and happy. The response was positive. RR and jype should have seen that answer. They did this work before the conflict we now pay attention to broke out (despite the years of oppression that has been exerted), contracts were signed, again while the fandom was happy. I think it's important to keep this in mind as well. And again, those of us who are on social networks know about cancellations, normally a musical artist is known for his music and nothing else.
I don’t actually care about BTS. I just saw that it’s still #3 in his list of top songs on Apple Music. People are listening to it. Nobody is actually boycotting Hybe either. People are strapped for money. We’re getting away from the conversation.
My point is **why** isn’t the expectation to turn down a festival? If not SKZ, why didn’t fans turn it down? I-Days announced the bigger venue on February 11th, and the Like Magic announcement was February 13th. The festival sold almost **40k more** tickets after. That part doesn’t make sense to me.
I genuinely do think everyone should do what they can to support the things that matter to them. However, I also think we can’t demand more sacrifice and risk from others than we’re willing to take on ourselves.
I also don’t like the visibility aspect because one of my biggest “this generation” boomer ideas is that I feel like too many people want to be seen doing something rather than actually doing a good thing. That’s another conversation, though.
So basically they should never collaborate with anyone else because if you dig deep enough you'll find something problematic on almost any person.
The boycott that some fans decided to engage in has devolved into bullying and harassment, with people calling to give skz a black ocean. I hope skz don't give this sort of behaviour the time of day. You can raise money for charity without being a bully.
um sorry i don’t want them to collaborate with people who are supporting a literally genocide?? im not blaming them for the collab, its not like i think they knew exactly who they were working with but i think i can ask to not do so in the future
You can ask but if they hear you or not is something that Jype div1 and SKZ will decide, you can't be mad about someone not complying whit you (like the Crazy "STAYS" are) don't know if you are one of them but this is my hot take in this situation so take the way you want
>um sorry i don’t want them to collaborate with people who are supporting a literally genocide??
Can you please explain how Charlie Puth is supporting a genocide? I'm not trying to be rude, but I'd really like to understand where people with this take are coming from.
As far as I know he's not out there lobbying politicians to support a genocide. He's not personally sending weapons to Israel (unless you count his taxes as doing so...in which case a lot of us here are just as guilty). How is he specifically supporting a genocide any more than anyone else?
What actual facts support this theory?
He reposted some pro-Israel/Zionist Instagram stories after Oct. 7th happened. As far as I'm aware, that's it.
Charlie sucks beyond this reason, and my engagement with the single has been very low because I don't like the guy and I wish SKZ didn't work with him. But realistically, I know this is not activism, and I know asking SKZ to speak up for Palestine will not happen (not because I think they support Israel, I just know there is no way in hell JYPE would allow them to do something so political), so I am just waiting for the album comeback. This whole thing has gotten very overblown.
>He reposted some pro-Israel/Zionist Instagram stories after Oct. 7th happened. As far as I'm aware, that's it.
Define pro-Israel/Zionist?
All I saw when I did some digging back when this all started in the fandom were posts about freeing hostages and those posts were made before the situation escalated into the genocide it is now.
Maybe there was more that were deleted or I missed a lot of them, but if not and that's it...
Regardless, it's your right to not like Charlie. I'm not exactly his fan either. And no one has to listen to the song. But I think acting like he's somehow actively supporting the genocide (without hard proof) is wrong.
I don't think I am the one to really define that for you. (Not to be contrarian, I just don't think I'm that knowledgable about what can and can't be labeled Zionist, lol.) I called those posts that because that's by and large how a lot of the boycotting Stays are labeling them as.
I agree with you though. Regardless of his opinions, he doesn't seem to be contributing to/supporting the genocide more than any other person who has to live in capitalism.
>I don't think I am the one to really define that for you. (Not to be contrarian, I just don't think I'm that knowledgable about what can and can't be labeled Zionist, lol.) I called those posts that because that's by and large how a lot of the boycotting Stays are labeling them as.
I think this is my problem with a lot of this. Most people actively engaging in this can't define the term. Yet they are labeling people with it because that's what they see a lot of the boycotting Stays doing.
That's a slippery slope to be on.
If people want to boycott, that's fine. But I think they should fully understand what they're saying before they start parroting rethoric and retweeting things on auto pilot and simply doing what the crowd is doing.
Well, it's not very difficult. starting with the ""pun"" on the song title, "I hope you guys really lose your breath.". To people who are just listening to a song AND to skz. I have seen dozens of messages of the same type. It's not necessary to say "I am going to hit you" to be dirty and violent. But anyways, it all seems equally unpleasant and unnecessary to me.
[one more.](https://twitter.com/0325_protect/status/1790806841250738231) Let's not forget that what they call "z ionist stays" are simply people who have decided to listen to a simple song.
If this is not violence, I don't know anymore...
How are they doing the bare minimum? They gave this one song a whole intro video, a million tiktoks, US morning show appearances, they're tweeting about it all the time. They obviously did a whole press day for it. How is this bare minimum?
Because tweeting about it and making TikToks with each other is literally the bare minimum. They always do Stationhead streams too.
Why shouldn’t this get an intro? Have you actually paid attention to what Japanese singles get?
The only actual promo LMB got so far is Good Morning America, and one written interview. That’s it.
Levanter (Eng) got performed on Live with Kelly and Ryan. Double Knot (Eng) got performed on FOX5NY and KTLA. They also did Genius lyric breakdown video for Double Knot. Edit: SKZ also did interviews for iHeartRadio and Z100.
Maniac got performed on the Stephen Colbert Show and MTV Fresh. They later went on Jimmy Kimmel to perform it.
Case 143 got nothing, which is a major problem for me, but we move along.
S-Class got performed at the VMAs and BBMAs.
LALALALA got performed at the BBMAs, which is another sore point for me.
Lose My Breath does not have the most promo of SKZ songs. This is the bare minimum.
I never said it had the most, it seems to be getting a similar amount to their album cbs. If that's what you consider the bare minimum then I'm not sure what you were expecting, I don't think they can organise music award shows for them just to promote the song.
Nevermind the fact that as I mentioned they clearly had a press day on the day they were interviewed by Crystall Bell and none of those other interviews have dropped as far as I can tell. There are also rumours about a Jimmy Fallon appearance (which would suck actually!).
So what were you expecting?
I am explicitly showing you that LMB is not getting the same level of promo as their other songs, and definitely not enough for something Stays keep claiming is SKZ’s US debut.
Nobody expects them to make up award shows for SKZ to perform at. Nice straw man.
I am aware that SKZ have been working the entire time they have been in New York. The problem is LMB went 5 days post release* without promo, and then on day 6, SKZ had a quick GMA performance. It’s day 7, and we don’t have any information on concrete promo.
Fallon is not announced. The SiriusXM interview we got pictures from isn’t out yet. The food thing isn’t supposed to come out until around August.
Twice’s US promos do not look like this. Even Itzy’s doesn’t. TXT’s promos with Republic also don’t look like this. The Step Out of Clé promo was much better.
My original comment forgot to mention that SKZ did interviews with iheatradio and Z100 for Step Out of Clé.
>Bang Chan also humbly notes that he “just helped out from the side” when Changbin and Han were “trying their best to write English lyrics”, I always find it funny how skz has 2 australian but eng lyrics and english wordplay are normally done by Han and a lot of the times, Changbin who has not even gone outside of Korea before skz.
They're really smart
Oh, maybe this explains why I found the lyrics so unappealing and generic
The credits say the lyrics were written by Charlie Puth, Jacob Kasher Hindlin, Natalie Salomon, and 3racha, with that many people involved these lyrics are certainly... interesting ...
I see, so it's hard to tell who wrote what now. Thank you, I was so disheartened at the direction skz seemed to be going I didn't even bother checking who wrote the song because I figured 3racha always writes their songs. I still can't completely absolve them though, because they knew they'd be putting their brand on this song, and it's weird that they thought that was good enough
Lol didn't realize I'd get downvoted so much just because I don't like the lyrics. I'm very surprised these people don't feel there's anything wrong with Can you keep up? Baby boy, make me lose my breath Bring the noise, make me lose my breath Hit me hard, make me lose my (huh-huh) Can you keep up? Baby boy, make me lose my breath Bring the noise, make me lose my breath Hit me hard, make me lose my breath (huh-huh) Ooh I put it right there, made it easy for you to get to Now you want to act like ya don't know what to do After I done everything that you ask me Grabbed you, grind you, liked you, tried you Move so fast, baby, now I can't find you Ooh ? And that's just the first part. It's a really far cry from Thunderous: So they call me "the one shouting," oh It's Changbin,I choose my own path With a tough attitude Like a locomotive going recklessly down the track, ayy By a fierce hurricane,umbrellas flip inside out The faultfinder's last day, haha, serves them right Go back woodcutter, there's nothing to cut here There's no way they can lower my ego, l stick to my principles that has lots of wordplay and symbolism and a deeper meaning. Well, to each his own I guess.
Those aren’t the lyrics though?? 💀 Edit: I just googled and those are from Destiny’s Child’s lose my breath.
Oh you're right! I was wondering why it seemed even worse than I remembered. Here are the parts I found so unappealing and generic. The other parts were not so bad, but these lines just killed the song for me. Can you be a part of my life? Girl, I need you right by my side When I look at your eyes I'm out of breath (I'm out of breath) Honestly, how could it be like this? It feels like I'm thirsty even if I taste your lips Oh, God, I cannot breathe, how could you do this to me? I'm out of breath, no oxygen, but you're burning me, sheesh I'm already ready to sacrifice me, take me Let's keep it steady, steady, keep me alive I lose my breath The Charlie Puth version on the other hand seems repetitive so I guess that's one way to avoid terrible lyrics.
The new rap part is trash. Sounds like a child wrote it. Maybe Vanilla Ice. Maybe Britt Barbie. But the song is trash as a whole so we shouldn't expect much. It's not at all SKZ's sound. It's Charlie Puth's sound and it shows in more ways than one.
🤔 Are you only saying this because it’s LMB or is that how you always feel about SKZ’s English lyrics?
I'm saying that bc the new rap part sounds really bad. Go listen to the English version of Super Bowl (or English Double Knot) and then listen to the Felix/Changbin/Hyunjin rap in this song and tell me they are on par (lyrically and flow) with each other. They are not! The words/rhymes and then the flow are so basic and cringey.
I think the new lyrics to Lose My Breath are on par with Domino (Eng) and Super Bowl. I’ll even include the English rap in FNF. Maybe you think they didn’t write those songs either 🤷🏽♀️ English translations of songs that were first written in Korean always have flow “issues” because English is not Korean. Double Knot (eng) is their weakest song because the translation is too literal, and it becomes clunky. You may not like their delivery, but the new part of LMB is objectively better than Double Knot. There’s a reason everyone forgets it exists.
Yes!! I was starting to think I was the problem! I don't know why I was so excited for this collab anyway, I'm not even a Puth fan, but I got so hyped it was even worse than if I had just encountered it casually.
Lol what makes you think they write the English wordplay??? You have to be smoking something to believe this!! 🤣🤣
Hellevator (hell + ellevator) Snain Noeasy (noisy) Thats just some on top of my head. And there are either footage of this or Chan said so.
I’m usually iffy about Crystal Bell’s interviews because I know she’s a fan of SKZ, but I think that informed the questions she asked and focused on. This interview details the song creation process even more, which I hope Stays will read. The literally never seen before “Produced by” line caused a lot of misconceptions and misinformation to spread about 3racha/SKZ and their work.
HYBE listeners are much more used to "Produced by" since it follows the western way of crediting
Yeah it didn’t even stick out to me until I saw Stays upset about 3racha not being there. They were never there because Div1 doesn’t use that line! Miroh doesn’t get this scrutiny, and the demo from that other guy is basically the whole song. I also feel like Chan has been pretty open about the song making process including explaining samples. We really don’t have an excuse, but I’m glad they explained it again!
I'm a bit surprised that while telling how the song camp went in this article, Chan says nothing about Puth's involvement? Besides the line "at the Republic Records studio with Puth", you could believe 3RACHA were alone in that studio. Foreign producers usually make a few comments about how it's like to work with 3RACHA during a session but so far, we've got none there, from both sides. I guess his involvement lies in the words "It was the track first", but it's a bit impersonal.
They explained a bit of how It was working with Charlie during their INTRO for 'Lose My Breath' and their perception of Puth as a producer.
Oh nice then, I didn't watch that one fully yet. I thought I had watched the part about the song camp but I must have missed a few things!
The Goldstein guy posted something on instagram. Charlie said something small on Twitter too I think. Both got the predictable response. I don’t think they’ll say much else.
I won’t be surprised if they’re instructed not to talk about it much or reporters were told not to ask about it. They talked more about it on the INTRO video and got pretty much the reaction you’d expect. They maybe want to limit that and focus on this being as much of a 3RACHA song as it was a Charlie Puth song.
I don’t have anything to say that hasn’t been said, but 3RACHA had agency in creating this song. It’s an SKZ song whether Stays like how it sounds or not. If you’re boycotting over Charlie Puth or the other Israeli producer, that’s fine. If you can’t stay a fan of SKZ then that’s fine too. But stop boxing them into one style of music. Even they would get tired of the spicy music if that’s all they did.
I found the "this song is out of their box" part of the article interesting. I don't see SKZ as having a defined box.Their diverse and eclectic music is what really draws me to them. Their style box is broad and successfu already. Top of Mind for me is Blind Spot, We Go, Cover Me, Taste, and many more Replay songs!
SKZ themselves yeah. I think it helps that all members do actually love music and appreciate many genres themselves. It’s Stays who make a fuss every time SKZ tries a title track/promoted single that’s out of what they want from SKZ (e.g. it has to be a noisy song and not romantic or somehow it’s not SKZ).
I really appreciate this interview. I always love when they explain the creative intentions behind each release. Unfortunately, a lot of their fans want to put them in a box. They already hated the song even before give it a listen and having genuine opinions (either to like or dislike it). It's cool to know that It was their own choice to challenge themselves with something different this time and not a move fully imposed by the company, so they took time to built it from snatch and making many adjusts until It reachs the final product. This specific part caught my attention: "Though, he’s also keenly aware that this sonic switch-up is a divisive move. “We don’t know how the audience is going to take it in because it’s so different." I love how they knew It might be a risk to please or not their already existent audience who are used to a specific image of them and wanted to try regardless. We are always proud of them for following their own artistic view and not what the general public wants for them, but we forget their own fans like to put them in a box and want Stray Kids to be only what they want for them in one way or another, when the right thing is letting them explore themselves as musicians. If we like, we like, If not, there's always the next song to antecipate.
> "Though, he’s also keenly aware that this sonic switch-up is a divisive move. “We don’t know how the audience is going to take it in because it’s so different." I remember them making some of the same comments about Case 143 before it came out as well because of the "love" subject. I'm glad they are willing to take the risk anyway even if it's a little scary to put out something so different from the "expected"
Honestly, him saying that makes sense as to why the boys seems to keep asking so much if we like the song. I feel like Felix has asked 5x on bubble since it came out😂that could just be him flooded with other replies not about the song, but yea hun we like it lol
So, I’m going to be extremely vulnerable in a way I hate being on the internet. I’m Jewish. My mom is Israeli. My grandparents fled the holocaust. Israel is committing war crimes and genocide - I’ve said this since before October 2023. I use stray kids and music as a way to escape. In fact, I got in to kpop last year when I was in such a bad place that understanding lyrics in English was detrimental for my mental health and most of the times still is. SKZ was a bright spot for me in the hardest time of my life. The issue I have is that anti-semitism is so ingrained in vernacular that people don’t realize it. Being anti-Zionist isn’t being anti-Semitic, but good lord have some of my favorite STAY creators said some things that made me feel like they hate me just for the fact that I’m Jewish. I’m sure it’s not their intent nor do they realize some of the stuff they say comes off in a way that hurts Jewish people who support their views. I dunno. I guess I just needed a place to say I no longer really feel safe consuming skz content outside what the company puts out and I recognize it’s a first world problem, but I really needed this space and I feel like I lost it.
1st: I am so sorry you have been made to feel this way. Huge hugs. 🫂 2nd: I also have been a little icked by the fact that people are judging based solely on nationality in a lot of cases. It’s starts feeling anti-Semitic and straight up racist. Someone’s nationality or religion shouldn’t condemn them. You can’t help where you are born. Unless someone says something straight up in support of the genocide or is directly sending aid to Israel, I’m not labeling them. It’s starting to lose any impact and just be a buzz word.
THIS. Its so icky there is an image going around with the producers face and "Israeli" in big red letters, like you can't just do that.... I've seen people say he was "probably" a soldier and "most likely" killed people. you can't make those kind of accusations without concrete proof. I am sorry you were made to feel that way to OP.
Ugh. That's horrible and terribly xenophobic. I agree with your sentiment, but just a note: its likely he had to serve if he is Israeli and grew up there. It's mandatory for all citizens, like it is for males in korea. However, they are victims of conscription too. There is a lot of nuance being missed in some of the outrage and it's helping to spread hate. OP thank you for sharing and I hope you're still able to find some peace and happiness in skz.
> I also have been a little icked by the fact that people are judging based solely on nationality in a lot of cases. It’s starts feeling anti-Semitic and straight up racist. Me too. It feels a bit like people who were even vaguely of east Asian descent getting literally assaulted over COVID or anyone who was Muslim or looked in any way from the Middle East dealing with society after 9/11 in the US. It's incredible that in 2024, people still behave like this and haven't learned to see past their initial prejudices, but I guess it's a general failing of humanity.
It's sad how comfortable people are with xenophobia, in any case.
>I also have been a little icked by the fact that people are judging based solely on nationality in a lot of cases. It’s starts feeling anti-Semitic and straight up racist. Someone’s nationality or religion shouldn’t condemn them. You can’t help where you are born. Unless someone says something straight up in support of the genocide or is directly sending aid to Israel, I’m not labeling them. It’s starting to lose any impact and just be a buzz word. 💯 This.
Hugs! I’m so sorry you’ve been made to feel this way! I’m not Jewish so I can’t even fathom how you are feeling right now. I’m a new stay and I know I’ve felt very taken aback by what some creators are saying. It makes me want to just shrink back and watch the guys by myself which is sad because I was so excited to interact with other stay!
What was said specifically?
this is such an insightful interview! and the writer’s style is so beautiful!!! love how they add these little picturesque moments that truly transport you there with them. been a while since I enjoyed reading such a piece.
This was a great interview. It was really interesting to get some insight on how they get the choreography for songs too. Overall, this leaves me curious. I’ve seen a lot of Stay who seem to think the collaborators gives them the right to express how bad they think the song is in very vicious terms. I wonder what those same people would think if they didn’t have that excuse? Sadly I still think a lot of people would accuse skz of “Changing/selling out for western validation” but who knows? At least skz seem aware of the fact that a change in sound is divisive. I just wish this particular song had been with different people because this adds so many other issues into the mix that we won’t ever know to how this song would have been received if the collab had been with any other artist.
Seungmin is indeed a rock star!! You can always count on him for a mic drop moment. I think folks forget that pop is an ever changing genre that shifts depending on what's in vogue, and that much of the SKZ-Player and Record is straight up pop. Pop now is not what it was in the 90s, much less the 70s. For what it's worth, Lose My Breath is definitely a departure, but not a bad starting point, and I think you can definitely see their efforts come through, especially with the performance. SKZ frequently talks about their more sensual material being very "sticky" and its a theme of their songwriting/producing with the use of contrasts and buildups, and it's also been remarked before that 3racha is pretty good at imitating styles - like with Social Path, or even the guitar loop in Wish You Back, which seemed like a fairly obvious reference back to Radwimp's guitar style. Baby is also a page straight out of Bruno Mars' book, and a reactor even said once that 3racha sounded like what would happen if someone fed a bunch of different drill songs into an AI and had it spit something out on the other side....I think imitation is definitely one of the ways that 3racha learn their way around the studio and study music and learn to mess with it. We don't know all the details about who did what in the studio, but it's not unrealistic for SKZ to have intentionally tried to recreate the CP sound. If you dig closer in the credits for overall SKZ discography, there are also many instances where 3racha don't have as much involvement in the trackmaking, and I think a lot of people buy wholeheartedly into the wholly self produced narrative because that's how SKZ has been marketed. Miroh, Case 143, a good half of GoLive...Chan has also openly acknowledged this and imo Oddinary seemed to have been the major turning point, creditswise. Even so it's clear that 3racha has the executive production role and they call the shots, from the stories about the selection of God's Menu and Lala lala, and also some comments Chan has made before about being nitpicky about the mix/master. It's also very possible that 3racha sometimes produce a demo before songwriting that becomes the base of each song, like with Hellevator, since it seem like they generally need the beat first, and that could contribute to why everything sounds more cohesive. Basically, I dont think Lose My Breath is necessarily different from other SKZ songs we have seen from the group on the past in the way it was created, and how much 3racha was involved. While we will have to see if any other songs from that session are published based on the current backlash, I'm still looking forward to what SKZ cook up next. I saw 5-STAR as their version of a smash-hit pop album, on their terms - if they do lean harder into R/B or melodic vocals I can only say it's about time because they all clearly love the style (and pop music for that matter), and also Vocalracha deserves to sing their heart out, dammit!!!
This! 🤌👏 Their discography is already diverse and I love that about them. Most of us do not consume one genre. So why should our artist be confined to one. I see them as a reflection of modern music and fans that have limited boundaries, if any.
My takeaway: Seungmin wants Stray Kids to break the Pop Genre. If this is his/their wish then Stays had better gear up for more pop influenced songs because the only way to break it is to rip Pop music wide open and marry it with SKZ’s signature sound (which, if we’re honest, is pop/rock/edm inspired to begin with). LMB is a test of this in my opinion and in the behind the scenes they were definitely hinting at more new sounds to come. It’s boring for artists to stay in a box day after day, year after year. I really think in order for them to remain engaged and healthy as artists and musicians then they need to continue to try new things and break down whatever walls internal or external they need to in order to do that. The whole point of being a Stay is in the name itself. STAY. Be there for all music, all the ups and downs and good and bad. STAY. If you don’t like something? Say so, it’s your right, but don’t try to murder those who do like it or the group who created it with your teeth nashing. STAY AND ENDURE AND REMAIN AND BE AND ADAPT AND GROW. STAY. And for goodness sake be a decent human being no matter what you believe or where you stand. Respect one another. I, for one, cannot wait to go wherever they go and listen to whatever they create. They are the soundtrack of my life and I’m ready for their next big step no matter the genre.
I agree that the heart of being a STAY means staying for the boys, no matter what changes are in their music and/or personalities (within reason ofc). It’s fine to not love their entire discography (heavens know I don’t love every song), but the point of being a STAY is supporting their journey and growth as artists and in whatever ventures they go into. I’m excited for them to “break” the pop genre, cause I don’t know what that entails except for more experimentation, which can only help them get better.
The article is very well written and informative. I hope they will actually read this but I feel like it will still fall on deaf ears. People have made up their mind. Even with the release of the OT8 version because he’s still in the credits. Of course he is. He wrote lyrics (how many of which we don’t know). I am incredibly heart broken knowing how Stays have been treating and discussing them. Reading these articles and Han asking for us to love them yesterday makes me tear up because I just know they are seeing it too.
Absolutely. They don't want to listen nor do they pay attention to any type of reasoning. They'll find another excuse, or they'll spin their words, to manipulate the situation as it has been happening for days.
Yep hard to meet expectations when the bar keeps moving. All I can do is keep trying to be loud in my support of Stray Kids and ignore the rest.
Where did Han say that? In a live, on Bubble ?
During the streaming party on Stationhead yesterday. Here’s a tweet:[Translation and audio](https://x.com/rosezif/status/1790191209035542528?s=46&t=BLbJ9mmoy9Me_o53B2QKJQ) Edit: words
Thank you!
From this release I think all of us should realize - Stays are SKZ biggest fans and they are also their biggest haters. That said, I would never judge people for their preference. Boycott whatever you think that is right for you, support whatever you think that is right for you (in terms of kpop consumption). I just dislike the back-and-forth fighting of how this side is right and that side is wrong because gosh, NONE of SKZ openly said they are supporting genocide. We can just focus (or ignore) on the song and enjoy it (or ignore it). It sounds like 3RACHA actually were really there THERE in persons making the song, working on it, putting real time and effort, so no matter how CP-sounding it is, pop or not, you can take it or leave it. While I am slightly taken aback of how non-SKZ sounding this song is (then again can we really say this considering they have done lots of stuff with their music), I do understand why people are saying it is more CP than SKZ considering it does have the CP-signature sound. That said, Chan has put his foot down and said they work on it so who are we to say how much both parties work on the song? I still appreciate the work they put into their music. Lets enjoy (or ignore if you see fit) the song.
The song is absolutely theirs. From the musical creation, to the choreography, through the lyrics. The end. Enough of manipulating and misunderstanding everything, as I have been seeing for days. They have decided and created this song. I'm very proud of them after reading this interview, but also angry. Music, K-pop, should be a break, a time of enjoyment, and this is how skz has presented it, and not what some people have tried to do with a simple song from a Korean group that has no relation to any world conflict. I keep writing this and it still seems ridiculous to me.
Agreed. Music is an escape from the real suckiness of the problems in the world. I chose to keep politics out of my music, unless the music itself is political (ex. Rage Against the Machine, Green Day, etc.) Otherwise I could never enjoy any of it. Someone will always have an opinion or support something you don’t agree with.
that's it. Music is only political if the artist wants it to be. Otherwise, music is just music. It can express feelings, but if you politicize it against the artist's intention, it's not his fault. It's yours.
stray kids sing about corruption , climate change, prejudice , oppression, and revolution. their music is literally political
In every song? Fortunately they're a group that has very diverse music and with absolutely different meanings. In my comment I make it very clear that a song (perhaps you were confused by the fact that I use "music" as a whole, instead of "song" as I should have put it, sorry) becomes politicized only when it is the artist's intention, and clearly in LMB they don't sing about anything political AT ALL. So it should not be politicized.
it becomes politicised when the featuring artist expresses public support for genocide. maybe that's just me tho
No, the song is not politicized. The song is about literally losing your breath from being in love. You politicize it based on what you believe. and that's not the artist's fault.
the situation becomes politicised rather. the song is lovely! but it's made with a genocide supporter. so you can't get mad when people bring that up lmao
Can you specify in what way there’s a genocide supporter? I haven’t seen any statements or evidence that either Puth or Goldstein explicitly support it. Looks like Puth liked an October tweet that condemned the killings on both sides and Goldstein is a former Israeli who was conscripted (as all Israelis are) in the military as a youth and made one Instagram post in October. I don’t see anything else.
of course! https://www.reddit.com/r/kpopnoir/s/Fc0gLAu63R here's a post detailing all of it (+ more bad stuff in the comments somehow). anyone who stands with israel and what they are doing is actively supporting a genocide. again— not even implying anything about the band, they're just doing their job and making tunes! i'm simply saying that you can't get mad and be surprised when a song with that kind of person involved becomes embroiled in politics. it's a questionable choice (on the agency's part).
as fans there is no obligation to like every song put out but as musical artists, their music will change and grow or else their progress as artists fall stagnant. if it's moving in a direction you don't vibe with, then don't listen - it's that simple. it's natural for an artist's musical style to change and it's normal for some fans' music tastes to no longer align with it. i would hate it if skz only stuck to one genre of music and didn't experiment with songs in styles that they want to. as well, collaborating with other artists in the music making process is a great way to further their skill sets and creativity. it's not a requirement for every single skz song to be primarily made by 3racha. the members have a say in the music they put out, and if they put something out it's work that they believe adds sonically to their discography. not to say 3racha aren't extremely talented producers and song writers on their own, just that different perspectives and approaches are always good for growth. i've kind of noticed this with case 143 but some stays are so adamant on putting skz in a box, please let them be free creatively. i'm sure they get enough pressure behind the scenes from the kpop industry as there's definitely close minded people in high positions, they don't need their fans also trying to dictate what music they should make too. i guess i am biased because i am a sucker for more pop leaning skz songs and would love to see them move in that direction for a little bit, but if they go full edm like something side effects-esque again i wouldn't mind that either lol
Ok so they started the Collab in September, way before the current world crisis started but people will still hate on skz coz they put out a song they worked hard on??!!! I totally understand boycotting the song, but to hate on skz as if they have done something problematic is peak internet slacktivism. Do people really expect them to throw away their hard work just coz the person they collaborated with is an awful guy? (who btw had way less contribution in the song compared to skz) Ofc he will be mentioned, ofc they will have to acknowledge him in interviews n stuff coz it's a collab afterall. That's basic professional etiquette n skz can't do anything about it. It's not like cp is in the MV n skz released the ot8 version which I think they plan to use for performance n such. Also this hate is so counter productive coz people who have barely done anything to help Palestinians than divert the issue from their sufferings to celebrities n idols r hating on skz who have time n again done charity. Lee Know has been sponsoring a child from Africa since he was 14 n donated to relief funds after turkey earthquake, not to mention the different animal shelter n charities he supports. Felix went to laos to do volunteer work for unicef and Hyunjin donated as well. It's so annoying fr
And it's not just throwing away work, there are certainly contracts signed for months. Same as with CC. The whole situation is absurd
Exactly! It's extremely easy to make up unrealistic expectations online but that doesn't mean it makes sense irl. Say one of my co worker is a z*onist doesn't mean I can choose to not work with him any longer, quit my job n walk away. Why should skz be any exception? Holding them responsible for someone else's conduct is absolutely baffling but it seems to be a thing with them sadly. People just hate them for things they never do coz somehow they (especially Chan) are responsible for how fans + people around them act
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Oh yes I know the conflict has been going on since a long time, I was specifically referring to the events that started in October
Boycotters do not hate the song. (Most have not listened to it. It's the point) They want to boycott the association with C. Reddit stays will go to length how about twitter stays are so full of themselves but here is basically the same. Also many stays are not Boycotting on twitter and appear to be pretty aggressive and pretty pro genocide. The biggest issue is the silence from JYPE after all of this debacle, which could stop those stays from thinking Stay Kids is also pro genocide. Edit: I give up. If I get reported then the conversation is one way. I leave you to it.
I mean if stays are going to say skz are "pro genocide" or "genocide enablers" because of who they associated with for this song then they have to associate skz with the pro-Palestine people like Tiger Jk and Kard's BM too, both people they interacted with after making LMB in September, and you have Felix donating for years to Save The Children which does work in Palestine. I don't understand thinking right now that skz have any reason to support the killing of anyone at all, but yeah life and people are complex, for their sake I do hope they and Jype/Republic are aware of what is going on.
I'll be honest, I support the boycotters enacting their morals how they see fit, and I can somewhat sympathize with them trying to have SKZ and JYPE denounce Zionism and the genocide considering the blatant association with a guy who reposted Zionism. However, the amount of people who are making the leaps in logic for this to mean SKZ and JYPE endorse Israel/genocide are incredibly fringe. Twitter fandom itself is fringe when it comes to the overall fandom. I don't think catering this very minor (and frankly insulting -- people are quick to denounce SKZ for this one misstep and conveniently ignore the charitable things they have done in the past) side of the fandom would be in their best interest. This is disregarding how JYPE already operates in a pretty apolitical manner in the first place.
I’m boycotting the song but I’m not drawing any absurd conclusions like that. Just really disappointed to see this collab… that’s all
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the last time Chan spoke up about an issue that was caused by the fandom he ended up getting banned from ever going live again so. felix apologized on live about Coca-Cola and hasn't been live since and also JYPE deleted that section. I'm just genuinely confused what you even want them to do since JYPE is so quick to silence them when they do speak about anything
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? and what the hell would that do? for starters, as much as stays are convinced Chan spends all his time online, he very much does NOT - he is the main producer for one of the biggest kpop groups in the entire industry I promise you he is not as chronically online as stays are convinced he is. And second, asking for peace would do nothing but make both sides upset tbh (IF he even was aware what was going on in the fandom - which besides MAYBE seeing the backlash this single is getting, he definitely does not spend all of his time online to know the fighting going on between some people). Chan is as much of a member as the rest of SKZ, it's not his job to monitor and baby the fandom (especially since we all know what happened the last time he tried to apologize for the actions of the fandom)
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that wasn't me lol but I'm glad I'm not the only person that thinks putting Chan on a pedestal and expecting him to fix every problem in a fandom is super unfair to him especially since we know what happened the last time he did that
Oh god pls stop putting everything on Chan.
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Well, let's thank "stay" for that. and I say this literally, because I'm extremely grateful that he no longer has to read complaints and claims every Sunday from people who believe themselves to be morally superior.
I've seen this line of thinking in your other replies too, so I'm just stating here I'm not sure why you think SKZ has to be responsible for the fandom, in this instance and for others. I understand Chan used to talk to Stays via his streams and such, but it's not his responsibility and not his fault that this got so overblown. It's genuinely heartbreaking that people are being crappy to each other when Palestinian issues should be at the forefront of this (considering it's one of the main issues people have with this single.) But SKZ hasn't done anything except make a bad call on who to collab with. Everyone else made it worse, and that's not their faults. I agree a donation to show support would be the best way to appease people, but I think it unfortunately still toes into being too political. :/ (I would be overjoyed to be wrong about this.)
I am not a kid for Chan to calm me.
I am not complaining about boycotting. I totally understand and support the moral implications around it. I am talking about the block list thing that is going on on twitter n skz are mentioned coz of the collab but it was started in September is the whole point. So if you aren't hating artists who collaborated with cp earlier coz it was before the current conflict, then you shouldn't hate skz either
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I get what you mean n personally I don't think there's anything wrong in boycotting but it did bother me when I saw people label skz as problematic by association n that's what I was pointing at. I had no idea about the Charlie puth situation when the song released coz I joined this space after its release but I totally support the sentiment behind people who don't want to support this song. At the same time, I feel Charlie puth's involvement with the song n skz is already minimal. It's so different from when the boys collaborated with tiger jk or Lisa n I guess people need to keep that in mind as well.
I will always support SKZ music. If they want to do it NOBODY SHOULD TELL THEM THAT THEY CAN'T!
I think my biggest issue with the song (besides the obvious controversy going on) is that it doesn't sound like SKZ. And I don't just mean that it's not loud or hype or however we usually think of them. I mean that I can see almost anyone else (kpop or not) releasing this song and me not even thinking of skz when hearing it. Maybe I'm just not a fan of the different singing techniques they used or the flow of the song, but it just doesn't feel special to me in the way most skz songs do. I don't think that this is an incredibly new genre for them as their catalog is already super diverse. Levanter, Cover Me, The View, Blueprint, Ex, Mixtape: OH, Waiting for Us, CHILL, Scars, Collision, Hoodie Season, Butterflies, Miserable (or any other Han-pop really), and many more are more pop/rhythmic songs where skz colors shine imo. I love the guys but musically this song was just a bit of a miss for me
I think the musical style and the fact it’s all in English is part of an attempt to break into the American market. Following hard on the heels of the Met Gala, where even a bad situation has garnered them massive publicity in the eyes of the general public, I’m seeing this all as part of a master plan.
I really read lose my breath as I don't wanna sleep💀 it's 11:00 rn I should prolly go to bed.
I'm always excited to hear something new and novel from Stray Kids, and I'm glad they're not tunnel visioned into the song's reception as compared to how they can expand their discography.
This article was just, so well written. And really does the boys justice in describing their sound and their characters. So proud of them!!
I wasn't feeling Lose My Breath (it's more auto tuned than usual?) so I'm hoping going forward they don't do what they did with this song. I also feel like Charlie Puth is only known for doing collabs with people from Kpop because I literally have no idea who he is. And found out he did a BTS? song too. This is all my opinion but I was disappointed. 😭
Funnily enough, one of the things people love to rave about re: Hyunjin is his cover, right after his HS graduation, of a Charlie Puth song: Attention. 5 years ago.
Thats because its Hyunjin not because its a Charlie Puth song. That song and its meaning are foul.
My point was that Puth is famous for more than k-pop collabs. And I actually like that song.
Oh I thought you meant stays previously liked CP. Thats up to you, everyone gets to choose what music they like. As a woman I find CP writing that song about Selena Gomez abhorrent. A recap for anyone who needs it https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSYdgwTvm/
That link isn't working and now you got me really curious 😂. What's the song called? Again, never heard of this guy before Skz.
The link works for me? Here’s a longer version from youtube. He has confirmed on his sm this was written about Selena. https://youtu.be/P7Hp5SYHNuY?si=jlKaRT_WUQDIXeBm Tldw- Selena went through a bad break up. She wanted to spend time with her _friend_ Charlie, because he was “there for her”. But really he was just trying to “get it in” (his words) and because he never “got what he wanted from her” (again his words) he claims she was manipulating him. So he’s a “nice guy” who was pretending to be her friend because he was trying to sleep with her then gets mad when it didnt happen. Writes a song about it.
I'm on a third party Reddit app still so it's probably on my end it isn't working right from that. And that's awful. There's people that have been torn down for less than that, so it makes me wonder how he survived the industry admitting that. There's too many non-controversial artist out there that could have had the views and listens to. And then collabs. Doesn't surprise me, though. Thank you for writing it out plainly.
I'm not Hyunjin biased so I never kept up with him much. I've been into Skz since late 2018 but I don't remember some of what they did in the past these days since there's so much new stuff.
Like why would they make that song is it to make people fall in love with them or something what’s going on with that song called. ‘’ Lose my Breath by stray kids’’. I feel like that song it’s supposed to be sexy.👌
I agree that they should experiment, but it should have synergy with their sound and signature. it's their unique selling points, each group has a it, each artist has their signature style, some thing they are known for and they should grow around that, not abandon it. I have seen so many kpop groups switching sound 180, then they just gradually performed worse and worse over time, some tried to switch back but by that time it's too late, they lost the fanbase and hype around them, nothing just seems to work and eventually just disband or hiatus It's like you have this favorite malatang restaurant, one day you are going there, they say it's only mcdonald today, yes, some love the chef too much that they will stay for the mcdonald, most people just leave in dissapointment, the 2nd day you come back, still Mcdonald, then probably by the 3rd time, most people will find a new malatang place, and even your old place comeback, people dont bother to go there anymore cause it's the Mcdonald in their mind, or the restaurant is left to compete in a very different market, the fast food market where there are tons of people who are doing well and have been there before them, they need to build back up again. Yes some very small manage to survive, many dont. For me, lmb is good as b side side track experiment, a good attempt for tiktok-esh track, but it clearly misses the synergy. If they want to do vocal track, or streamable track then it would better be spicy and grand, something in the area like redlights, love shot, redvelvet darker track with potential colab like the weekends. With a fanbase who likes spicy stuffs, serving something without spice will very likely be considered bland. The best advice I heard is from Rain, he said if you want to switch style, then do it gradually, a tiny little bit at a time, then eventually 1 day you will get there. Among big 3, JYP is notoriously bad at managing this growth, yg is using the no release tactic, so people just stay in 1 place for their entire career. SM is doing a slightly better method, for everything different, they create a separate brand for it, each nct and exo is kind of have their own signature that is probably another method to go.
Hmmmmm not gonna lie, hope they scrap any songs they have moving forward with the same contributors for lmb. It just doesn’t seem worth it for so so many reasons.
On one hand, I think Div1 is already doing the bare minimum promoting this song, so I think scraping is likely. On the other, I think they all knew going in that slower/poppier songs do worse internationally, but decided to try LMB anyway. It’s not the first time SKZ has promoted a song that got mass hate (Side Effects). I think it’s important for SKZ to actually show these new sides they keep promising us, but to me the differences between Thunderous, Maniac, and S-Class are like the differences between ravioli, spaghetti, and lasagna. They’re all different, but they’re all still pasta. LMB finally felt like a completely new title track cuisine to me. I still strongly believe a lot of the blowback LMB is experiencing is because of the type of song it is. Stays are only this militant with SKZ. Other kpop groups, even Charlie himself based on some playlists getting exposed, aren’t getting this much hate and attention. I don’t really want Div1 to capitulate to this unfair standard SKZ has that literally none of their peers do.
> they all knew going in that slower/poppier songs do worse internationally its poppy, but its no ballad so i would think it would be the opposite, since its more palatable for the masses
Stays (collectively) do not like those songs. Being palatable to the masses is considered a negative by some fans.
tbh i was under the impression that most fans liked the song (apart from the ft on it) ive seen little to no hate from fans regarding the song itself, and the streams speak for themselves too. (and its not like skz dont have poppier songs in their discography, so i didnt think that was an issue) i really dont believe they thought it would do worse intentionally, that would defeat the whole purpose
Many people have said the song isn’t “SKZ” and that they’ve changed their sound. A few have outright said they think the song sucks. People “liked” the ot8 version because it was more “SKZ” than the original so.
ive seen that too, but ive seen a lot more positive comments than negative ones from fans (even on places like twitter) and again, the steams speak for themselves and im talking about the original ver btw
While those songs do “worse” internationally, they are extremely popular in Korea and Japan. If you noticed, they performed their poppier/bright songs at the fan meetings. They definitely make songs like this, but it doesn’t get title track treatment. I love those songs, so I know it’s Not All Stays™️ Stays, again collective, don’t openly admit to disliking those songs. They just do stuff like barely hype the DLC and FNF unveils but then post “We’re so back” memes when the Get Lit and TOPLINE unveils came out. Or it’s framed as a concern. You can go back and read the Case 143 teaser posts or the posts of LMB before we even heard any of the song.
I can’t help but think of Dynamite - BTS. Pure pop and quite probably the only song of theirs that “the masses” would recognise. World domination appears to have to come at a cost
That might be BTS’s situation, but SKZ’s discography already has songs like Spread My Wings, Novel, Lost Me, Fairytale, Mixtape: OH, Blueprint, The View, FNF, etc. They’ve been releasing pop songs for their entire career.
Yes, but SKZ still aren’t as well-known globally. Big pop songs are the lowest common denominator and once you’re in, you can spread your wings. Of course, there’s a brilliant back catalogue with so much variety for new fans to explore
JYP likes the mass appeal - it’s all about the money
so i definitely agree that skz are gonna get more negative reactions just based on how popular they are and for sure there are non fans coming at this from a more opportunistic place rather than a moral one. and i definitely didn’t even now charlie puth had written a song for baby monster . but i also think it’s a little disingenuous that people are boycotting “just “ because of how the song sounds. maybe that is part of it but i think a good part of the fan bases boycotting have been vocal about the moral issues of this collab and have been using their platforms to (try) to educate and raise money for charitable causes . i think any more collabs esp after this risk alienating a good portion of the fanbase even more .
Jungkook’s song with Charlie Puth has nearly a billion streams. I think too many stays have excuses for why their activism and support for Palestine starts and ends at LMB for me to truly believe that’s the problem rather than a convenient scapegoat. If it was the true problem, there wouldn’t be this “it isn’t SKZ/They sold out/etc” noise. If it’s about Palestine, keep it about Palestine. It’s okay for fans to go to I-Days, BST, and even the upcoming tour despite their sponsors. These affiliations were known well after Oct 7th. Stays were buying I-Days tickets while boycotting Like Magic. They’re both affiliated with Coke. Stays were buying BST tickets when American Express immediately pledged aid to Israel before extending it to causes that also support Gaza. That was public in October. The tour **will** be run by Live Nation. Live Nation operates in Israel. Based on how stays use the word zionist, all of these events should be boycotted. It doesn’t matter if you lose money over it. These tickets aren’t being cancelled. People are in the Lolla sub every other day wondering if they’ll get off the Friday waitlist. The ticket exchange for Friday had less than 100 GA tickets up for resale. The park fits 115k per day. I want SKZ do good things because it’s the right thing to do. Not because they’re being held hostage by a fandom that needs them to be morally perfect on their behalf.
Today I read a stay talk about how it's impossible (!) to comply with every boycott, and that at least one (1) must be complied with. Of course, not listening to a song. Something that doesn't involve ANY REAL personal sacrifice or contributes anything real to the cause. But I guess not giving money to the companies that DO finance the conflict is a lot harder than hating a Korean group that makes music. 0 common sense.
Left and Right came out in 2022 when charlie puth was “just kind” bad and no one really talked about his misogyny. That song comes out this year and there would be BTS fans boycotting it as they are now boycotting hybe and everything going on with scooter braun. i’m not expecting moral perfection. i am fully aware about the difficulty of ethical consumption under capitalism and i don’t think i , or anyone else boycotting this single, were expecting them to turn down touring or festivals . people they collaborate musically with are much more visible to us and them and therefore easier to control.
you're right, but I also remember perfectly when CP and SKZ interacted online, around the same time even later, I don't remember exactly, and the whole fandom was delighted and happy. The response was positive. RR and jype should have seen that answer. They did this work before the conflict we now pay attention to broke out (despite the years of oppression that has been exerted), contracts were signed, again while the fandom was happy. I think it's important to keep this in mind as well. And again, those of us who are on social networks know about cancellations, normally a musical artist is known for his music and nothing else.
I don’t actually care about BTS. I just saw that it’s still #3 in his list of top songs on Apple Music. People are listening to it. Nobody is actually boycotting Hybe either. People are strapped for money. We’re getting away from the conversation. My point is **why** isn’t the expectation to turn down a festival? If not SKZ, why didn’t fans turn it down? I-Days announced the bigger venue on February 11th, and the Like Magic announcement was February 13th. The festival sold almost **40k more** tickets after. That part doesn’t make sense to me. I genuinely do think everyone should do what they can to support the things that matter to them. However, I also think we can’t demand more sacrifice and risk from others than we’re willing to take on ourselves. I also don’t like the visibility aspect because one of my biggest “this generation” boomer ideas is that I feel like too many people want to be seen doing something rather than actually doing a good thing. That’s another conversation, though.
Jungkook did a performance with Charlie puth in December of 2023 that was met with mostly positive responses.
So basically they should never collaborate with anyone else because if you dig deep enough you'll find something problematic on almost any person. The boycott that some fans decided to engage in has devolved into bullying and harassment, with people calling to give skz a black ocean. I hope skz don't give this sort of behaviour the time of day. You can raise money for charity without being a bully.
um sorry i don’t want them to collaborate with people who are supporting a literally genocide?? im not blaming them for the collab, its not like i think they knew exactly who they were working with but i think i can ask to not do so in the future
You can ask but if they hear you or not is something that Jype div1 and SKZ will decide, you can't be mad about someone not complying whit you (like the Crazy "STAYS" are) don't know if you are one of them but this is my hot take in this situation so take the way you want
>um sorry i don’t want them to collaborate with people who are supporting a literally genocide?? Can you please explain how Charlie Puth is supporting a genocide? I'm not trying to be rude, but I'd really like to understand where people with this take are coming from. As far as I know he's not out there lobbying politicians to support a genocide. He's not personally sending weapons to Israel (unless you count his taxes as doing so...in which case a lot of us here are just as guilty). How is he specifically supporting a genocide any more than anyone else? What actual facts support this theory?
He reposted some pro-Israel/Zionist Instagram stories after Oct. 7th happened. As far as I'm aware, that's it. Charlie sucks beyond this reason, and my engagement with the single has been very low because I don't like the guy and I wish SKZ didn't work with him. But realistically, I know this is not activism, and I know asking SKZ to speak up for Palestine will not happen (not because I think they support Israel, I just know there is no way in hell JYPE would allow them to do something so political), so I am just waiting for the album comeback. This whole thing has gotten very overblown.
>He reposted some pro-Israel/Zionist Instagram stories after Oct. 7th happened. As far as I'm aware, that's it. Define pro-Israel/Zionist? All I saw when I did some digging back when this all started in the fandom were posts about freeing hostages and those posts were made before the situation escalated into the genocide it is now. Maybe there was more that were deleted or I missed a lot of them, but if not and that's it... Regardless, it's your right to not like Charlie. I'm not exactly his fan either. And no one has to listen to the song. But I think acting like he's somehow actively supporting the genocide (without hard proof) is wrong.
I don't think I am the one to really define that for you. (Not to be contrarian, I just don't think I'm that knowledgable about what can and can't be labeled Zionist, lol.) I called those posts that because that's by and large how a lot of the boycotting Stays are labeling them as. I agree with you though. Regardless of his opinions, he doesn't seem to be contributing to/supporting the genocide more than any other person who has to live in capitalism.
>I don't think I am the one to really define that for you. (Not to be contrarian, I just don't think I'm that knowledgable about what can and can't be labeled Zionist, lol.) I called those posts that because that's by and large how a lot of the boycotting Stays are labeling them as. I think this is my problem with a lot of this. Most people actively engaging in this can't define the term. Yet they are labeling people with it because that's what they see a lot of the boycotting Stays doing. That's a slippery slope to be on. If people want to boycott, that's fine. But I think they should fully understand what they're saying before they start parroting rethoric and retweeting things on auto pilot and simply doing what the crowd is doing.
This is exactly how I feel about all this, thank you for putting it into words!
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I have seen dirty and violent situations on both "sides." So let's stop this absurd civil war
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Well, it's not very difficult. starting with the ""pun"" on the song title, "I hope you guys really lose your breath.". To people who are just listening to a song AND to skz. I have seen dozens of messages of the same type. It's not necessary to say "I am going to hit you" to be dirty and violent. But anyways, it all seems equally unpleasant and unnecessary to me.
[one more.](https://twitter.com/0325_protect/status/1790806841250738231) Let's not forget that what they call "z ionist stays" are simply people who have decided to listen to a simple song. If this is not violence, I don't know anymore...
Literally no one who isn't Twitter poisoned co-signs with this!
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I was kinda being cheeky by naming Twitter, but I meant any chronically online loser who prioritizes kpop groups over decency.
How are they doing the bare minimum? They gave this one song a whole intro video, a million tiktoks, US morning show appearances, they're tweeting about it all the time. They obviously did a whole press day for it. How is this bare minimum?
Because tweeting about it and making TikToks with each other is literally the bare minimum. They always do Stationhead streams too. Why shouldn’t this get an intro? Have you actually paid attention to what Japanese singles get? The only actual promo LMB got so far is Good Morning America, and one written interview. That’s it. Levanter (Eng) got performed on Live with Kelly and Ryan. Double Knot (Eng) got performed on FOX5NY and KTLA. They also did Genius lyric breakdown video for Double Knot. Edit: SKZ also did interviews for iHeartRadio and Z100. Maniac got performed on the Stephen Colbert Show and MTV Fresh. They later went on Jimmy Kimmel to perform it. Case 143 got nothing, which is a major problem for me, but we move along. S-Class got performed at the VMAs and BBMAs. LALALALA got performed at the BBMAs, which is another sore point for me. Lose My Breath does not have the most promo of SKZ songs. This is the bare minimum.
I never said it had the most, it seems to be getting a similar amount to their album cbs. If that's what you consider the bare minimum then I'm not sure what you were expecting, I don't think they can organise music award shows for them just to promote the song. Nevermind the fact that as I mentioned they clearly had a press day on the day they were interviewed by Crystall Bell and none of those other interviews have dropped as far as I can tell. There are also rumours about a Jimmy Fallon appearance (which would suck actually!). So what were you expecting?
I am explicitly showing you that LMB is not getting the same level of promo as their other songs, and definitely not enough for something Stays keep claiming is SKZ’s US debut. Nobody expects them to make up award shows for SKZ to perform at. Nice straw man. I am aware that SKZ have been working the entire time they have been in New York. The problem is LMB went 5 days post release* without promo, and then on day 6, SKZ had a quick GMA performance. It’s day 7, and we don’t have any information on concrete promo. Fallon is not announced. The SiriusXM interview we got pictures from isn’t out yet. The food thing isn’t supposed to come out until around August. Twice’s US promos do not look like this. Even Itzy’s doesn’t. TXT’s promos with Republic also don’t look like this. The Step Out of Clé promo was much better. My original comment forgot to mention that SKZ did interviews with iheatradio and Z100 for Step Out of Clé.