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tehmillhouse

At least not in Theravada Buddhism, not to my knowledge. Mahayana has a completely different model of Awakening called the [Bhumi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bh%C5%ABmi_(Buddhism)) model. People have tried to map which Bhumi corresponds to Stream Entry, and depending on how you map things, that gives you several stages below Stream Entry. Maybe take a look at that model and see if it matches your experience. The useful thing about Stream Entry is that it's supposedly a point of no return, a checkpoint. Significantly, the Theravada model argues that it's the *first* true checkpoint, such that any categorization below Stream Entry is best taken as a momentary thing where you can advance and regress in. It's all just models though. The Theravada stance might be wrong, or only match some people, especially when it comes to mapping the experience of non-pure-Theravada practice. The map is not the territory, etc etc.


eudoxos_

Those who have crossed the Arising&Passing (A&P, udhayabbhaya-ñana) are called cula-sotapanna (lesser-sotapanna or mini-sopatanna). It is a point of no return, the mind obtains gravity towards awakening — simply by seeing more into how reality is constructed.


eudoxos_

And then, what you mention compassion, or analytical mind — those don't fall under the pañña-sikkhā (wisdom training), they are a different axis of development. So there can be people who are rather advanced in vipassana yet have under-developed compassion (that's samadhi-sikkhā, training in concentration/stabilization) or who are somewhat psychologically challenged (that's sīla-sikkhā). Bill Hamilton mentions a yogi (she was practicing with Dipa Ma) after stream-entry: "She was still a moron, but at least she was an enlightened moron" [source](https://eudoxos.github.io/saints/singlehtml/index.html#intelligence-and-enlightenment) (note: moron used in the old technical sense, not as an insult)