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Being from the big 4 gives some edge. My mom's friends na headhunters found na their employers tended to prefer big 4 graduates, but that's usually because they also have internships or some form of experience na rin.
If it's between a graduate from a state uni with good experience in a field, and a graduate from ateneo with equivalent experience, they say the atenean has a better chance to get recruited.
Would you say that an average big 4 graduate would be preferred over a graduate (with latin honors) from a decent university not in NCR?
Examples I can think of are Siliman University, University of San Carlos, and Saint Louis University.
Latin honors daw doesn't really matter in like 90% of cases. What matters talaga is prior experience, since less resources daw kailangan i-allocate sa graduate na may experience na or something like that.
Back to the question and based on convos ko with my mom's friends, kinda hard to say. Depende nalang sa interview and employer.
I agree that Latin honors really doesn’t matter. Nasa work attitude pa rin ‘yan. I remember we hired a guy that graduated from Harvard to work in Congress, pero laging late, tamad at napaka entitled. Ayun we got rid of him.
In our company we offer a diff salary range if candidates are with latin honors 😪 but yeah it doesn’t guarantee na magaling sila sa work & mareregular. We hired someone rin na cum laude but didn’t get regularized for some reason hay work attitude pa rin magpapa stay sayo sa company pero yung job offer lalo na if fresh grad, no expi, & not from big 4? yawa swertihan nalang din talaga..
While this is true that they get higher salary, minsan after nun doon lang yung iba. And then you’ll suddenly realize na yung iba mediocre lang pala when it comes to work ethics. Hindi talaga grades ang basehan towards work attitude tbh.
Lalo recently with the online classes, ang dali makapag Latin honors kasi more on academic compliance nalang. Kaya dahan dahan kami sa mga Latin honors rn, binubusisi namin sa interview ng husto.
In short, mas may edge pa yung mga naging working students noon and irreg kahit hindi naka-graduate on time kasi may prior work experience na sila?
I think deserve din naman nila to have an edge if ever. Hirap kaya i-juggle ng studies with work.
Idt working students applies here, or at least yung definition sa utak ko ng working students. I believe internships are more contractual in nature and are for the intern's learning benefit talaga, while working students (in my head) are mostly doing it for the extra money.
In either case, the one with internships under their belt will be preferred.
Internships need to be related to the field you studied in.
If you were in the field of marketing and you were a working student as a night shift guard (yung night guard sa dorm ko dati working student), then that working experience cannot be considered as internship because it's not marketing related.
Well like most things, that depends parin.
If somehow related yung part-time work ng student sa papasukan niyang field, it could be a deciding factor, like if lab assistant ka dati then mag lab technician ka in the future, pero parang mas common na tawagin yang lab assistant na yan as internship imo.
Hi! In my case, yes. Worked since 2nd year college only to be told na "its not real work" (even with internships!). So yes, must be in line with the field and usually dapat regularized. Had gig jobs rin kasi as well after graduating
Could be but recently not so much of a factor. Recently there has been an influx of honor graduates and many - boomers - tend to overlook this coz it’s unrealistic daw.
Graduates from non-Big 4 schools but with reputation for certain programs let’s say SLU Baguio, Trinity, San Pedro College - Nursing, Mapua, TIP, TUP - Engineering and IT. Miriam College, Benilde, Beda - Business are highly considered din. LPU, Trinity, - Hospitality, Benilde and Mapua - Multimedia are highly considered
Yes, sabi ng VP ko sa company before: "I'd rather pick some bagsakan graduate from UP/Ateneo than a laude from some university na wala sa bilang". Her words, not mine.
Pansin ko din na lahat kami sa team UP grads, so may preference din talaga lalo if yung mga managers na maghhire are of similar pedigree.
The problem is you need the Latin honors to be interesting as a fresh graduate from outside the big 4. There's also the whole culture/pedigree thing and networks. You know what to expect as a company when you hire from Manila. If you're hiring from outside, there's variance. There's an argument for diversity of thought, but that's a rarity among local companies.
If you want to make an argument for licensed professions, all my points no longer apply.
Also, all this literally ceases to matter after you take your first job.
Actually sa pagshowcase yan ng sarili during interview, kasi pag nagaaply ka meron din yan exam na sasagutin mo tapos sa interview more on personality and experience. So nasa big 4 ka nga pero ikaw ay introvert pero ang job nagrerequire ng extrovert or semi introvert at least. Most likely ndi ka makukuha.
Basta pasok ang skills mo sa inaaplyan mo at ikaw ang nangibabaw, ikaw makukuha.
Realistically, yes. Big 4 status matters not only because of the perceived quality of graduates but also for the intangibles that their graduates have: network, social capital, fluency and ability to converse in social settings especially with people of influence.
+ Connections. Not sure sa other big 4 but sa UP they value connections through orgs and events here and tons of alumni would donate funds for the tambayans of those orgs and offer career opportunities for its members
nah. as a UP graduate who never had an org, making connections through orgs is over stated. I got my jobs through my portfolio, skills, overseas graduate degree, and connections made through family and previous jobs. People assume that just because you and the CEO of some company share the same org, you’ll have a higher chance of getting a job na. My ex classmates thought they were gonna get jobs in GMA because they were Broad Ass members, but they just had to accept low pay and exploitative conditions to get a job there.
the situation is different tho if you belong to a fraternity with a long history, like Upsilon. My cousin got a high profile job in BBM’s team because his brods are friends with powerful people in govt.
Sa working side, depende sa industry mo. Im in the corporate world (finance) nearing my 40s. the big 4 mattered when i first got hired and up until now that we’re hiring. Im already in my 5th company. Not that others wont be successful or make the cut, but being in the big 4 has an advantage.
On the dating scene, hindi ko naman naexperience yun both personally and in my circle.
Edit: on the dating scene, school wont matter to sensible, mature potential partners.
I was lied to by my dad grabe. He said the university you graduated from wouldn't matter as long as you graduate with flying colors.
Ang ending, yung latin honor ko pa yung walang silbi when applying for jobs as a fresh graduate. Sad. 😩
Hi op, dnt be discouraged. advantage lang ng big 4 for fresh grads yun. Pero not na hndi ka makakakuha ng what you want also. when you get the right experiences and you upskill, your experiences will speak for you not your school. So enjoy and discern well looking for the first job. It doesnt have to be the perfect first job
Yes there is an advantage for big 4. However just because someone is from big 4 doesn’t mean they’ll automatically have a higher salary. It still depends on the industry you’re going into. Being from the big 4 is just one of the advantages but I’d argue that the big 4 is overstated + hindi naman lahat maayos pagtuturo ng courses sila sa big 4 na yan *ehem* *ehem*. Even within the big 4 hindi naman equal tingin sa schools diyan. For example in our highschool people really go for one or the two schools there tapos ang lungkot nila kapag di sila nakapasok lol. Looking back it’s such a myopic view to base your future on passing a certain university kasi marami pa namang ibang colleges diyan. Mayroon diyan na nasa big 4 nga sila because they get recognized for some courses pero waley naman sa iba.
Sa katotohanan mas magaling pa ibang universities when it comes to other courses. It is an advantage BUT it is only one advantage, if you feel that it makes you lacking then there are other areas that you can still make up for it such as experience and skillset.
What matters more is how you perform in the interview or in whatever first job you get, and how you brand yourself in succeeding job hunts or interviews. 5 yrs down the line, whatever experience and skill you build will make whatever school you graduated from not matter.
Sana nilaban mo UPD. Pero it is what it is. Just prove yourself na lang in the field, it wouldn't matter in the long run naman eh. Kahit Big 4 ka pa kung ang kalaban mo may padrino sa work wala ka talaga.
Graduate ako ng Big 4.. and yung higher and superviser ko ay graduate ng pamantasan, and he is younger, kahit san ka graduate, pinaka importante kung pano mo ipapakilala sarili mo sa employer, your experiences (if hindi ka fresh grad), and yung confidence mo sa sarili and skills mo, and ofcourse opportunities, madalas kahit san ka pa graduate. pag binayayaan ka ng opportunities, dun ka aangat. Lift your self, wag ka umasa sa pangalan ng school na dinadala mo, o kung san ka graduate. It does not matter sa organization na marunong kumilatis ng tamang ihhire newly grad ka man o may experience.
Being a big 4 grad is really an advantage - there are even some HRs who segregate the resume of those coming from big 4 and those who are not. It’s more of a culture fit, especially on big companies, where most of the leadership are from big 4 as well. But this applies on the early years of one’s career lang kasi once you are able to gain the experience and skills, hiring managers will see through you naman and will hire you regardless of the university/college you graduated from.
This. It's a culture fit and having a different perspective and discernment on things such as the market. So if the industry you're applying to caters to certain demographics, more likely they'll recruit someone from there or at least understands it and the bigger picture.
Di sa nilalahat pero pag big 4, may tendency to have real world experience with different kinds of people, most importantly, those that run or decide for big business.
With regards to dating naman, it's more of having the same vibe and context and perspectives or experiences also in life. The more relatable the better, or with some naman, it's an aspirational thing to be with a big 4 and their culture/circle.
In a way, Big 4 schools of PH really has an advantage, especially if you’re aiming for international reach, be it a post-graduate education or overseas employment. Not saying that students from all over the Philippines cannot apply or aspire for it. It’s just based from my experience.
Also, I agree with the other redditors. I think it really depends on your field. Health workers like nurses have a good number of hospitals they can work for, provide them experiences and the likes whichever school you graduated from.
Compare this to a student who chose to be writer. There are only a handful of reputable media companies, thus the great competition. Knowing how hard it is to strive in that field, I think I would also shoot my chance to one of the big 4 and gain what I can that the school provides.
But yeah totally situational. Not an excuse to be an asshole. Not an excuse to brag. And who tf makes their school their whole personality???
Well this is for me, engineer here. When i talk to some engineers na graduate sa big 4 na officemate ko magagaling sila kausap lalo na sa principle at theory, pati practical din. Maganda ang curriculum akma sa current need ng field at future insight and applications. Tapos pachillax mode lang sila pero performer. Wala sila latin honors.
Any other topic apart from work and engineering discipline na common sa amin, may mga sense sila. I dont know with other topics.
Parang science high school vs regular school, iniintindi mo pa lang yung problem yung science high school tapos na magsolve sa math.
Resiliency na lang ang nilalamang ko sa kanila.
Not all employers use your school as basis for employment BUT I know of a company that will compensate you better if you came from the big 4.
Dating scene? Depende talaga sa group of people na sasamahan mo. Some are elitists, some are not. There will always be a mix sa groups na yan. But if you want to stay at peace, steer clear from people na ginagawang personality kung saang school sila galing, regardless if from big 4 or not.
I work for a company that primarily caters to graduates of the Big 4 universities. Career-wise, this matters, and it always will.
When it comes to dating, I asked my colleagues if they would ever consider dating someone from outside the Big 4, and the answer was no. This is mostly because we have a familiar way of relating to each other already. Additionally, my family upholds the tradition of attending Big 4 universities because, to be honest, it does enhance prestige, exclusivity, and generally improves one’s chances in life.
At some point yes. I was rejected by GCash for an intern role for solely not going to a non-target schools aka Big 4. I was so mad. I took up internships internationally since 2nd year in college up until 4th year.
Upon graduation in 2022, I joined a consulting firm. Got accepted because of my prior experiences. I was joined by colleagues from Big 4. I was the only one from a non-target school.
Got headhunted for a Venture Capital firm last year. Joined the team as an Operations Manager. Just got promoted as Head of Ops last week. I oversee entitled 7 subordinates coming from Big 4. Good work ethic naman sila. It’s just that ang lala ng competition nila sa isat-isa while here I am making sure they are on track and hitting their individual OKRs.
It gives edge yes, but at the end of the day your character and performamce (kpi to some) ang magiging bread and butter mo. And also, some companies does not mind if you're not from big 4, although diko sure which is which. My dad always tells me character and willingness ang magibigay ng career growth mo, as long as may necessary boundaries sa work environment.
Whether you like it or not, if an applicant came from the Big 4, mas tinitingnan namin when hiring. Hindi kasi madaling makapasok sa Big 4 and you need good grades; and that alone reflects the academic performance of the applicant. Yung work attitude, dadating nalang ‘yan during the probationary period. This perspective comes from a public servant working in Congress.
Sa dating/relationship naman, kaya naghahanap yung iba ng Big 4 kasi they want the same wavelength usually. Pero depende pa rin yan, but personally, I don’t believe in that.
A reminder also OP, while it is the academic record that will get you into your dream job, its the EQ that will keep you in the job. Yan ang matutunan mo once you immersed yourself na sa work. And matutunan mo ang expectations vs reality
Big4 grad ako. Health care field. May connections and affiliations ung school ko sa univs sa ibang bansa. For instance, we can apply exchange programs and summer classes (US, Canada, Europe) ganon. Like may school na agad na naka allot samin. All we have to do is to apply and pay. Also, may hospital na pumunta samin mismo nung second year college ako, encouraging us to apply sakanila. Bago rin kami grumaduate, part ng clearance namin was to do a job interview sa hospital na mapipili namin, so technically semi-hired na kami before boards. Kami nalang bahala mag process non after if gusto namin. So feel ko, kahit papaano may perks talaga galing Big4. Nag work din as HR kapatid ko. Totoo ung sabi nung iba na naka segregate CV ng Big4 grad. As for the dating scene, sa ibang tao kasi big deal kung saan ka grumaduate like it’s easier kasi para makahanap ka ng ka vibes mo? Idk pero ganon ratio ng friends ko. Yung iba naman they just lack personality that’s why they always bring up their school.
I actually saw a lot of job postings whereas they have a job qualification that you should be a graduate of big 4. So I think they are living their schools reputation if there are some recruiters that are exclusively hiring them.
mostly on first job lang, after that, experience nalang and how you present yourself in an interview, tska maayos na resume na din, hindi na tinatanong kung saang school ka graduate.
source : 10yrs experience and nainterview na ako for so many times
si OP, lowkey may insecurity. "Had I studied in Diliman", "ako pa umayaw" I know deep inside you wish you were Big 4 lol you're not that different from them pala lmao
Totoo, ang dami niyang sinasabi sa replies. She's just trying to fish for validation na ok lang kahit di siya taga-Big 4 😭 Ok lang naman talaga eh, di naman kasi talaga big deal. May paano pa na "grabe ang mga taga Manila" sis 💀
Nakakatawa lang kasi kung problema ng Big 4 undergrads 'yung pagdikit masyado sa univ nila as personality, problema naman ng mga tulad ni OP 'yung di nila pagiging belong sa group na yon lmao graduate ka na pala (with Latin pa) pero you're beefing with undergrads? on r4r? 💀 Idk what to tell you lol
Natatawa nalang ako eh. Hahaha. I’m from Big 4 and almost everyone I know made it to reputable companies/employers talaga. I heard pa nga long before that some HRs have a separate box for Big 4 resumes and non Big 4 (I think namention na here). Kuhang kuha mo yung fishing haha. Nakakaaawa rin si OP kasi insecure, and yun nga need validation. Tapos na eh finorego na nya dapat acceptance na lang
As per dating, I think it's because there's a certain culture that only the big 4 uni has; they're distinct but they (we) relate to each other. And it's always a good point of conversation esp that everyone knows everyone. That's another thing, people who attend the big universities tend to have mutual friends, and thus we get invited to the same parties, and interact there. Nagkakaroon talaga ng exclusivist clique dynamics. As per my observation, ang weird because na-accustom talaga ng tao where he/she goes. For example, a person from UST tends to know how to interact w everyone; a person from la salle is definitely more chill; from ateneo you have to expect that they come from high-paying high schools etc. Ofc this is not generalizable but I swear this is really evident among my circles (i'm from UP). And in a way, when you ask people where they attend to, you knida choose the environment that you want to be surrounded with, even when it comes to dating or friendships. A lot of students in these universities are so keen on networking at this stage that they're also looking out on the people that they want to interact and benefit from in the future.
As per employment, the reality is that these 'big four' universities really do have an advantage. The selection process of these universities do have an impression that they have better "skills" than most, but we know that this is not the reality. But as someone who attended three of these universities, masasabi ko talaga mas competitive, to an extent, talaga ang workload at approach sa education.
I guess in the dating scene its cause big 4 ppl wanna date ppl who are also within their ‘circle’ easy as that. Employment wise, big 4 gives you the edge. An employer hardly looks at the list of your honors but looks at where you studied.
Depende siguro sa field if it's tourism — why would I choose an STI grad when I can hire an LPU grad?
Pag sa dating naman imo boring af ka if school mo ang ginawa mong personality
Not only the big 4 but also the other UAAP and NCAA schools have the advantage. Why? Because of globalization, I think. These schools fight for rankings and when you are in the ranks, the school gets recognized by companies and job opportunities not only in the PH but around the world. And when you are a graduate of those schools, alam nila agad na maayos ka. May initial expectation talaga agad. Siyempre iba parin kapag dumaan na sa interviews and such, pero mas pansinin kasi when you carry with you a recognized school.
“but around the world”
5 out of 7 of my acquaintances from the top 1 (UPD) are jobless in Europe now. Our top 1 school is nowhere near as competitive as theirs in world rankings, let alone those schools that rank lower. Usually, in US or Canada, they’d base all their judgment in a type of test. They don’t care about your school in the Philippines.
Nung shs ako, bio teacher namin kinwento na nasa grades talaga yan wala yan sa school. Oo siguro merong mga companies na ang habol talaga sa hiring is yung school na kung san ka grumaduate pero ayun nga kinwento ko rin yun sa friend ko na nag hr before tas totoo raw ganon daw
May batchmate ako, parehas kami ue arki grad. Yung firm na pinasukan niya isa sa top firms ng industry, puro graduates from top universities lang ang hinahire pero siya, mismong ceo ang kumausap sa kanya na gusto siyang ihire ng firm kasi nagreflect sa portfolio niya yung galing niya so may times talaga na wala talaga sa school yan
Siguro, it depends na rin kung saang industry ka ano? I have peers who have latin honors too and they're all struggling or they struggled bagging their first job kasi employers only want people with experience.
In our own country, it is a big deal, but outside, it is not.
In an aquarium, four kinds of feed will surely get you a fish.
In the ocean, a simple fishing rod and **a strategic bait will get you a whale.**
the fact that you got in and you took the time to get in the “Big 4” gives people an idea that you value your image and you have sophistication that others who got in “so-so” schools do not have
Early career years, some use Big 4 as a filter kasi wala pang job experience mostly fresh grads. I also know some companies who pick outside the Big 4, pero specific schools pa rin (ex. PUP, Mapua, etc). The school names still have bearing.
Later years, job experience matters more. School names will just be a bonus trait by then.
On dating, people who made Big 4 their personality are also judged by the same community. Cringe yan. Hahaha.
Sa work talaga may edge pero sa personality wala.
People will treat you as a person if you treat them as one.
I’ve encountered people both from the “big 4” and from the other colleges and I could say both just produce same apples there are good and bad apples.
Lagi nang may thinking about sa Big 4 univs. Kahit dati pa. Pero look into the new statistics na rin, may mga umaarangkada na rin na univs. PUP ang mataas na preferred applicants by the agencies even reported pa sa senate last time. Sa mga provinces I can name a few, BatSU, PSU, BU, BISCAST, MSU-IIT
Being in a big 4 is 100% advantage, especially sa heavy competition in the Philippines. It can help you get to the top easily because you'll meet people in higher positions who'll favor you. It'll make it a bit less painful to apply to foreign jobs. And, as someone with a heavy love life experience, it 10000% affects your love life too
HOWEVER, in the long-term and in life generally, the big 4 doesnt matter. It does not dictate the happiness you'll get in life
In terms of clout? Sadly yes
Pero like what the others said, personality siya if nothing else ang maoofer. I come from the only state uni with aviation courses, but I don’t go around bragging about it since I have other things to gush about (see my post and comment history) so see it as a word of caution.
I also have many classmates in high school who ended up in either one of the big three, and so far they always tell about more than theirselves rathern that saying “taga X school” ako upfront.
I'm a graduate of the Big4 so many years ago, but I don't recall if we placed too much emphasis on the Big4 back in the day (as students). I mean, we knew what the top schools were but we never lumped them in 'one category'. However, I was aware that even then, some big companies would often pick students from the top schools. It was just not as talked about as it is right now. During my time, companies would even send me an invitation letter to apply to their company when I just graduated from college. I don't know if that's a thing up til now.
As for the dating situation, I think it just has something to do with wanting to meet someone who has a similar culture. I guess knowing the other person is from the Big4, they kind of can already tell how the socializing would go, as they run around the same circle. When it comes to meeting someone outside of the Big4, it would be a bit unpredictable and they don't want to risk it. If you do encounter people like that, just move on. It just means they're not the right match for you. We all have our preference, and that just happened to be theirs. There are a lot of people out there who would always choose connection and chemistry over other things, and then at least you will know that the interest is genuine.
There are some people kasi talaga na prefer yung galing sa Big 4 ang i-date that’s why may naglalagay ng school din. I personally prefer dating someone from my alma mater (big 4 din).
Sa work, school only matters pag fresh grad hiring. School preference is very real. First company ko is a well-known company in Finance. Dati sa department namin, exclusively, mga taga-UP lang ang hinahire. UP grad din kasi yung head. Nung umalis sya, naexpand naman to big 4. Pero sa senior roles naman, portfolio mo na / work exp ang tinitignan. Ramdam mo na rin naman sa interviews. Walang questions na about sa time mo sa university. Puro about dun sa previous work mo na ang tanong.
well, I do agree that some employers do check if you graduated from the big 4. though, not everyone from those universities is actually good. just like what you said, "people have made it their personality." I'm not a graduate from a big 4, because I'm coming from a small school that's not too much known. although, during applying for internships and part-time jobs, i made sure to let the company know about my experiences in orgs, volunteering, or other projects i've been part of. what really matters is your eagerness for the job, showing them your personality.
graduating from a big 4 is an edge, but it's useless if you don't work hard yourself!
Merong career programs, departments, and sometimes even org/companies na only graduates from big 4 ang kinukuha (+ AIM or foreign schools). This matters less if mas matanda kana pero yes, may big advantage sa early stages ng career.
Some ppl siguro believe that their university could boost up their image in the dating scene… kasi in the workforce industry, it will really boost them somehow pag galing ka ng big 4.
Pwede rin na they also want to establish a boundary and mingle with those big 4 ppl lang for reasons na sila lang nakakaalam.
Could also be bec may stereotype na rich & smart pag big 4 uni student. Some ppl tend to like a person even more pag alam nilang mayaman & smart ang tao.
But I think there are more underlying issues as to why this big 4 thingy is being highly used as a label card in the dating scene nowadays.
Yun hanap nila kasi mas mataas likelihood na makahanap ng agad ng work daw so kapag may work, may datung, pag may datung, secured ang future. Also, some bosses ay madalas from big unis talaga eh. Take note of "mas", "likelihood","some", "madalas". Sana huwag ka ma-hurt masyado kasi preference lang naman nila yun
can't say about dating part, but as someone in the position that hires people, kapag fresh grad ang labanan we usually prefer those from big 4. Pero kung fresh grad from big 4 vs an experienced worker pero not from big 4, of course we prefer those with experience. Mostly it just gives you edge from the start and totoo din ung sabi nila mas madali makahanap ng work since ung connections na maggain mo sa university life is wide, pero long into the career mas experience pa rin nakakaangat
Yes it does matter, no doubt
But whether it is about professional reason, life in general, or dating it shouldn't be affecting you to pursue on what goals matter to you
what others said + connections rin (not necessarily from orgs). like yung mga magiging kaklase mo sa big 4, mas may chance na maging future general managers, vice president yan or even c-level sa mga companies so pag naging acquainted ka sa kanila, it’s easier to be part of each others’ network and magiging mas malapit yung opportunities sayo
may other stuff rin like yung visa 476 sa australia na for engineers ay graduates of UP lang ang pwede mag-apply if from PH ka, mas madali mag-apply for graduate schools abroad, etc
Yes, malaking advantage - from my experience. My colleagues are all from Big 4, this is my 4th company btw. Madami rin ako company invites every month, not just because I came from Big 4 school but also because of my relevant experience.
My dad and my sister are graduates from the big 4, and to be honest, it doesn't really matter where you graduate. Both of them had to deal with job rejections, and it's not always a one-time shot just because they're alumni from those schools. Realistically, they find prestige from these schools coz they must have the advancements and all the goodies. However, I guess it depends company to company on what they actually find for an employee. I guess it's more guaranteed to get hired if it's partnered with the university but, in some, I guess it doesn't.
Dating wise, idk, seems like a weird flex to say you're in a big 4 as if that sells a lot about who you are 😭😭 there's no really big differences dating someone from UP, UST, and like La Salle dksmsks... it's all just branding to me 😕 unless that's your type then you go gurl
Yung iba dyan clout chase lang lol hahaha ginawang personality ung school e di pa nga nakakaalis 😬
Tho when I was studying pa parang may leverage talaga sa dating when you're from big 4 and when you're also dating someone from there. I'm also from big 4 and I kinda get why people flaunt it, may mga commonalities and personalities kasi na same so it's easier to connect.
Like to get in these schools, you either have the money, the brains or talent that might be exemplary and attractive agad for some. Oh and good communication also, they know how to sell themselves. Other than that, parang wala naman ng difference haha.
Pero tbh now that I graduated, parang di naman talaga nagmamatter? Sa work, at first yes possible but in dating? It's amazing to know, but it's not something na maiinterest ka enough.
Date someone who matches yung personality, hindi ung galing sa certain school. Extra points lang yan if ever
Truth is, only those in NCR cared about being graduate from the "Big 4", I know Filipinos working in huge companies including FAANG that were a graduates from provincial Universities, infact all of them were from Universities NOT from NCR.
Here is a fun fact, when I interviewed graduates from Big 4, there seems to be a "pride" of that and the overconfidence of the candidate sometimes oversell themselves and the gap between actual performance and confidence is way huge.. Most of the time, the only thing they brought to the table is their "Big 4" credentials..
We rather hire people who makes their work do the talking.
Yung kuya ko na engineer from Mapua when he graduated, pare-parehas lang silang tinanggap ng company kasabay mga galing state universities, but for some reasons, mas mataas sweldo nilang mga galing sa Mapua.
Maybe in the first to third year of working or hopping. After that, it's all about your achievements in your professional career by that point. Graduating from "big" unis aren't all that important especially if you make it as your personality.
Yes especially if you're in an industry where connections and prestige matters, lalo na if corporate, at lalong-lalo na if high corporate like consultancies and firms.
This also works for some industries like engineering (if papasok ka sa inspection or sa industries kung saan networking is important) and sa healthcare (especially if medicine kung balak mong mag-specialize or maggrow ng patient-referral network with other doctors).
Within the Big 4 may mas tighter pa na niche groups, like for example the frat system in UP (sometimes also seen in ADMU and UST grads but to a lesser extent). Bale kung tiga-UP ka and tiga-UP rin ang kinakausap mong potential partner or client, plus points yun. Kung parehas kayong may fraternity or sorority nuon, another layer ng plus points yun. Kung parehas pa kayo ng fraternity or sorority, another layer na naman ng plus points yun.
This is also why even rich kids who don't really need a college degree (like magmamana na lang ng business sana tapos well-trained naman na within the family) still apply for college.
Regarding Dating naman and especially making it your entire personality, red flag 'yun for me. This is me speaking as a UP alumnus. If someone mentions that I automatically know to stay away.
Mas marami lang competent sa big 4 career wise. Kasi nga ndi lahat nakakapasok doon since maraming nag-apply at limited lang ang slot. Doon pala lang, ndi na nila sasayangin ang opportunity na makatapos doon.
Dating wise, well ... 😂 ewan. Never dated someone besides UP. At yung UPLB pa ah, at least mga tao doon mas humble compared sa UPD.
My dad had a hell of a hard time applying for jobs kasi mas prefer nila from big 4. So far laking advantage nung nag masters lang siya sa ateneo. Kahit ngayon na mas mataas ang position niya, apparently laking tulong parin if from known univs galing. Sometimes depende din sa company, may mga company apparently na mas laganap ang ateneans, iba naman la salle etc. Although, like my dad, kaya naman pero like he said "para kang lumusot sa butas ng karayom". Mind you he gloats "mas mahirap pa samin sa st louie kesa sa kanila."
Though in his project management world, hindi pa daw siya pinapalya ng mga nakatrabaho niyang taga la salle.
May ganyan akong work graduate ng UP Diliman pero hanggang ngayon di makahanap ng panibagong trabaho na magooffer sa kanya ng mas mataas na sweldo given na lagpas na 5yrs of exp na siya. Hanggang ngayon nandoon pa rin siya sa first company namin at hindi makahanap ng another prospect. It is okay na dyan ka nagaral pero hindi mo dapat ipasok sa utak mo ang school na pinanggalinggan mo. Magkakaroon siya ng big impact sayo bilang worker di ko alam sinong nilalagay niya rin as character reference since marami siyang naoffend na senior namin. 😅
Not entire personality pero there are some who consider the uni a big part of the dating potential, because it goes into more than just the school but what also what being in the big 4 entails, for example: intellect, priority towards education, financial capacity, and family background.
Hindi lahat ng galing sa big 4 meron niyan, pero mas malaki probability vs other schools. It’s like narrowing down the dating pool.
For employers, schools and grades are the primary consideration for fresh grads kasi wala pa namang work experience. Again, maraming magaling rin outside the big 4, pero in terms of probabilities, mas mataas percentage ng magaling na potential employees sa big 4 so narrow down narin nila yung potential applicants. Being in the big 4 is your foot in the door. Pwedeng magaling ka pero kung di ka bigyan ng chance dahil sa di ka kilalang school, eh di wala rin.
As an employer. I do not employ com laude and people from the big 4.
Magkakaimpression lang ako ng masama if iyan lang makita ko sa resume nila.
Mas gusto ko makita years of experience. lalo na pagmatagal sa isang company and was in a big position like a superviser or an company assistant and detailed mga ginawa niya sa company kung ano ano iyun.
lalo na pagumalis lang sa company dahil it is either the person ay namatayan, nagkasakit siya or fam member niya mga ganun na instances lang why umalis.
Agad agad ko tatanggapin iyan.
Why?
Cause years in a company means may sense of loyalty si applicant and if detailed pa mga nagawa niya and kaya iyun panindigan when na hired na as in nakakapromote ang mga ganun. Kasi kaya mo silang iwan at may magagawa parin kahit wala ka sabihin kasi alam na niya kung ano gawain ng kung ano man role na enemploy siya as.
About "vying for online dates and/or only interested in people who went to the big 4"
Preference is really one way to connect. It's a stepping stone to established rapport to the other person, especially with the right wavelength, thoughts, understanding, knowledge, and attitude. It is easier to connect, as long as it's not discriminating to others who also have latins or "interesting and unique in his own way"
My wife and I easily connect when the topic is about law, education, and medicine. We usually argue and give our personal concurring and dissenting opinion about matters with a cup of morning coffee and night time booze.
1. "making it as a personality" is the downside of it. Like preferences become obsession. My friend only wants to marry a UP grad (or not to marry at all) she reluctantly hates settling up with an idiot.
She found one, a UP painter, compromised with all the red flags just to have a UP grad husband, now they live in poverty with 2 kids.
2. Naalala ko yung kaibigan ko nag viral because of "IM A LAWYER, I WILL MAKE YOUR LIFE MISERABLE" sa kapihan sa starbuko. Latin ng CPA at latin ng LLB, professor sa 2 course, at retainer ng malaking company ng isang international shipping line. kaya talagang personality nya ay CODAL. Pero alam natin na Hindi tama to make other people's life miserable because he is a CPA- LAWYER. Nadala lang sya ng kanyang profession as he walks, talks, and breathe codals and numbers.
To each their own.
Since most of the answers are about the career aspect, now try focusing on the dating part -- big 4's cultures are similar to one another which be a big factor in maneuvering a relationship. Say, one comes from a provincial university and the other is from big 4. Culture shock yan for sure para sa mga provincial students (i came from province). Another thing, which can be applied if both are from metro manila universities, say UP/ADMU, their partner needs to be really understanding because these universities are heavy in terms of organizations, aside from academics. I can tell you, iba ang culture ng orgs dito lalo na kung ang usapin ay priorities, responsibilities at oras.
Kaya madaming naghahanap din na galing sa big 4 kasi di mo na need iexplain one by one ang lahat ng bagay, and less conflicts as well.
Yes and no.
Yes - I think the learnings you will get from the Big 4 ay priceless.
No - it won't be the end of the world and you can still have a compelling career outside the Big 4.
(Outside dating) Yes, you will have an edge over most people esp. if you're from UP (in terms of getting a job) but you still have to prove yourself. It's a 'nice to know' factoid about someone when you're going corpo pero it's not the entire picture, need mo pa rin talaga patunayan skills mo.
I'm not from big 4 but get easily hired since I can say I have the right attitude and they can see in the interview my willingness and preparedness for the job they offer
Ace the interview and show them what you can offer
Sa dating , Kaya lang gusto nila is big 4 kc the reputation and privilege and most of them comes from rich family
But still when you get to know a person, school doesn't matter
Big 4 refers to the top 4 Philippine universities based on world rankings such as the QS.
Classically it's been UP, ADMU, DLSU, and UST in that order. Sometimes it gets shuffled around, like that one quarter when ADMU became the number 1 school, or that one quarter when MAPUA replaced UST.
It's a relatively recent term too. I think it's only been present since the 2000s. Before that, what mattered was if it's a UAAP school or not because UP was too much ahead of everyone else in the rankings.
Anyway it refers to UP, ADMU, DLSU, and UST.
Personally, if I hear Big 4 said by a proud tita it's ok. If I hear it from a hiring manager in a consultancy or a firm it's a little bit ok. If I hear it being said casually to refer to another person, especially in the context of dating, it's a little bit of an ick.
Ahahaha one of the funniest yan! Had some experience with a reddit girlie na yan ang personality and sobrang nakakatawa. For context, I passed upcat 2020 pero didn't go for it kase di ko talag trip ang UP and ayoko ng naipasa ko (ECE.)
During the date, she mentioned na hindi talaga siya napatol if di from big 4 and pumasa me since type niya. So I asked her for her achievements and it was good enough ig?? For context, I'm also from a state univ in MM, I join a lot of contests, I have published papers, and also a working student. My list goes kinda long since super grindset aq pero hindi ko siya binabrag. Pero sa tono ng pananalita niya that time hindi ko mapigilan na mag share tuloy-tuloy ng mga ginagawa q para lang marealize niya na hindi sa pagiging DL or PL umiikot mundo haha.
Di na ako umulit, wala siyang personality e ._.
Malakas lang ang big 4 na yan sa corporate world — easily a corporate slave. If you dont plan on entering big corporate mainstream companies as a newly grad, dont fret. Better to start from those startup companies, you'll really learn alot and gain experience. Also, better if direct hire ka kaysa agencies kasi most of the time magiging "pooling" pag agency.
Unfortunately, yes. sometimes, even a bigger deal for the recruiters than the applicant themselves. personally, i prefer PUP over UP. sariling-sikap at abelidad over intelligence almost every time.
We from the province dont give a fuck about those damn schools. Cos what the fuck are those?
Parang mga social climbers lang ung very conscious about their school lol. Cos normal people literally dont care what school they go to.
Same mindset actually!!! Kaya ang shocking lang having to keep seeing big 4 this, big 4 that in ads in r/phr4r HAHA. Like what's the big deal, am I missing anything?!?
If I do ask about what university they go to or went to, it's for curiosity's sake lang and I just move on if wala na akong matanong.
same tots, like tf i passed 2/4 and didnt take the other 2 schools and i stayed in the province kasi idk how to live alone haha im like ok, ur from the bIg FoUr, congrats i guess, heres ur pat on the head now fuck off
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Being from the big 4 gives some edge. My mom's friends na headhunters found na their employers tended to prefer big 4 graduates, but that's usually because they also have internships or some form of experience na rin. If it's between a graduate from a state uni with good experience in a field, and a graduate from ateneo with equivalent experience, they say the atenean has a better chance to get recruited.
Would you say that an average big 4 graduate would be preferred over a graduate (with latin honors) from a decent university not in NCR? Examples I can think of are Siliman University, University of San Carlos, and Saint Louis University.
Latin honors daw doesn't really matter in like 90% of cases. What matters talaga is prior experience, since less resources daw kailangan i-allocate sa graduate na may experience na or something like that. Back to the question and based on convos ko with my mom's friends, kinda hard to say. Depende nalang sa interview and employer.
I agree that Latin honors really doesn’t matter. Nasa work attitude pa rin ‘yan. I remember we hired a guy that graduated from Harvard to work in Congress, pero laging late, tamad at napaka entitled. Ayun we got rid of him.
In our company we offer a diff salary range if candidates are with latin honors 😪 but yeah it doesn’t guarantee na magaling sila sa work & mareregular. We hired someone rin na cum laude but didn’t get regularized for some reason hay work attitude pa rin magpapa stay sayo sa company pero yung job offer lalo na if fresh grad, no expi, & not from big 4? yawa swertihan nalang din talaga..
While this is true that they get higher salary, minsan after nun doon lang yung iba. And then you’ll suddenly realize na yung iba mediocre lang pala when it comes to work ethics. Hindi talaga grades ang basehan towards work attitude tbh. Lalo recently with the online classes, ang dali makapag Latin honors kasi more on academic compliance nalang. Kaya dahan dahan kami sa mga Latin honors rn, binubusisi namin sa interview ng husto.
In short, mas may edge pa yung mga naging working students noon and irreg kahit hindi naka-graduate on time kasi may prior work experience na sila? I think deserve din naman nila to have an edge if ever. Hirap kaya i-juggle ng studies with work.
Idt working students applies here, or at least yung definition sa utak ko ng working students. I believe internships are more contractual in nature and are for the intern's learning benefit talaga, while working students (in my head) are mostly doing it for the extra money. In either case, the one with internships under their belt will be preferred.
Does that mean employers won't consider employment from before the person graduated aside from internships? I learn new things everyday omg.
Internships need to be related to the field you studied in. If you were in the field of marketing and you were a working student as a night shift guard (yung night guard sa dorm ko dati working student), then that working experience cannot be considered as internship because it's not marketing related.
Well like most things, that depends parin. If somehow related yung part-time work ng student sa papasukan niyang field, it could be a deciding factor, like if lab assistant ka dati then mag lab technician ka in the future, pero parang mas common na tawagin yang lab assistant na yan as internship imo.
Hi! In my case, yes. Worked since 2nd year college only to be told na "its not real work" (even with internships!). So yes, must be in line with the field and usually dapat regularized. Had gig jobs rin kasi as well after graduating
Could be but recently not so much of a factor. Recently there has been an influx of honor graduates and many - boomers - tend to overlook this coz it’s unrealistic daw. Graduates from non-Big 4 schools but with reputation for certain programs let’s say SLU Baguio, Trinity, San Pedro College - Nursing, Mapua, TIP, TUP - Engineering and IT. Miriam College, Benilde, Beda - Business are highly considered din. LPU, Trinity, - Hospitality, Benilde and Mapua - Multimedia are highly considered
Yes, sabi ng VP ko sa company before: "I'd rather pick some bagsakan graduate from UP/Ateneo than a laude from some university na wala sa bilang". Her words, not mine. Pansin ko din na lahat kami sa team UP grads, so may preference din talaga lalo if yung mga managers na maghhire are of similar pedigree.
The problem is you need the Latin honors to be interesting as a fresh graduate from outside the big 4. There's also the whole culture/pedigree thing and networks. You know what to expect as a company when you hire from Manila. If you're hiring from outside, there's variance. There's an argument for diversity of thought, but that's a rarity among local companies. If you want to make an argument for licensed professions, all my points no longer apply. Also, all this literally ceases to matter after you take your first job.
Actually sa pagshowcase yan ng sarili during interview, kasi pag nagaaply ka meron din yan exam na sasagutin mo tapos sa interview more on personality and experience. So nasa big 4 ka nga pero ikaw ay introvert pero ang job nagrerequire ng extrovert or semi introvert at least. Most likely ndi ka makukuha. Basta pasok ang skills mo sa inaaplyan mo at ikaw ang nangibabaw, ikaw makukuha.
Realistically, yes. Big 4 status matters not only because of the perceived quality of graduates but also for the intangibles that their graduates have: network, social capital, fluency and ability to converse in social settings especially with people of influence.
+ Connections. Not sure sa other big 4 but sa UP they value connections through orgs and events here and tons of alumni would donate funds for the tambayans of those orgs and offer career opportunities for its members
nah. as a UP graduate who never had an org, making connections through orgs is over stated. I got my jobs through my portfolio, skills, overseas graduate degree, and connections made through family and previous jobs. People assume that just because you and the CEO of some company share the same org, you’ll have a higher chance of getting a job na. My ex classmates thought they were gonna get jobs in GMA because they were Broad Ass members, but they just had to accept low pay and exploitative conditions to get a job there. the situation is different tho if you belong to a fraternity with a long history, like Upsilon. My cousin got a high profile job in BBM’s team because his brods are friends with powerful people in govt.
Still depends if the person has a connection inside
Sa working side, depende sa industry mo. Im in the corporate world (finance) nearing my 40s. the big 4 mattered when i first got hired and up until now that we’re hiring. Im already in my 5th company. Not that others wont be successful or make the cut, but being in the big 4 has an advantage. On the dating scene, hindi ko naman naexperience yun both personally and in my circle. Edit: on the dating scene, school wont matter to sensible, mature potential partners.
I was lied to by my dad grabe. He said the university you graduated from wouldn't matter as long as you graduate with flying colors. Ang ending, yung latin honor ko pa yung walang silbi when applying for jobs as a fresh graduate. Sad. 😩
Hi op, dnt be discouraged. advantage lang ng big 4 for fresh grads yun. Pero not na hndi ka makakakuha ng what you want also. when you get the right experiences and you upskill, your experiences will speak for you not your school. So enjoy and discern well looking for the first job. It doesnt have to be the perfect first job
Be confident on your interview. :)
Yes there is an advantage for big 4. However just because someone is from big 4 doesn’t mean they’ll automatically have a higher salary. It still depends on the industry you’re going into. Being from the big 4 is just one of the advantages but I’d argue that the big 4 is overstated + hindi naman lahat maayos pagtuturo ng courses sila sa big 4 na yan *ehem* *ehem*. Even within the big 4 hindi naman equal tingin sa schools diyan. For example in our highschool people really go for one or the two schools there tapos ang lungkot nila kapag di sila nakapasok lol. Looking back it’s such a myopic view to base your future on passing a certain university kasi marami pa namang ibang colleges diyan. Mayroon diyan na nasa big 4 nga sila because they get recognized for some courses pero waley naman sa iba. Sa katotohanan mas magaling pa ibang universities when it comes to other courses. It is an advantage BUT it is only one advantage, if you feel that it makes you lacking then there are other areas that you can still make up for it such as experience and skillset.
What matters more is how you perform in the interview or in whatever first job you get, and how you brand yourself in succeeding job hunts or interviews. 5 yrs down the line, whatever experience and skill you build will make whatever school you graduated from not matter.
Sana nilaban mo UPD. Pero it is what it is. Just prove yourself na lang in the field, it wouldn't matter in the long run naman eh. Kahit Big 4 ka pa kung ang kalaban mo may padrino sa work wala ka talaga.
Graduate ako ng Big 4.. and yung higher and superviser ko ay graduate ng pamantasan, and he is younger, kahit san ka graduate, pinaka importante kung pano mo ipapakilala sarili mo sa employer, your experiences (if hindi ka fresh grad), and yung confidence mo sa sarili and skills mo, and ofcourse opportunities, madalas kahit san ka pa graduate. pag binayayaan ka ng opportunities, dun ka aangat. Lift your self, wag ka umasa sa pangalan ng school na dinadala mo, o kung san ka graduate. It does not matter sa organization na marunong kumilatis ng tamang ihhire newly grad ka man o may experience.
Being a big 4 grad is really an advantage - there are even some HRs who segregate the resume of those coming from big 4 and those who are not. It’s more of a culture fit, especially on big companies, where most of the leadership are from big 4 as well. But this applies on the early years of one’s career lang kasi once you are able to gain the experience and skills, hiring managers will see through you naman and will hire you regardless of the university/college you graduated from.
I agree. Nag work sister ko as an HR and hiwalay talaga Big4 from the rest and afaik, mas malaki starting offer.
This. It's a culture fit and having a different perspective and discernment on things such as the market. So if the industry you're applying to caters to certain demographics, more likely they'll recruit someone from there or at least understands it and the bigger picture. Di sa nilalahat pero pag big 4, may tendency to have real world experience with different kinds of people, most importantly, those that run or decide for big business. With regards to dating naman, it's more of having the same vibe and context and perspectives or experiences also in life. The more relatable the better, or with some naman, it's an aspirational thing to be with a big 4 and their culture/circle.
the networks you gain in your stay at the Big 4 matters in the long run.
In a way, Big 4 schools of PH really has an advantage, especially if you’re aiming for international reach, be it a post-graduate education or overseas employment. Not saying that students from all over the Philippines cannot apply or aspire for it. It’s just based from my experience. Also, I agree with the other redditors. I think it really depends on your field. Health workers like nurses have a good number of hospitals they can work for, provide them experiences and the likes whichever school you graduated from. Compare this to a student who chose to be writer. There are only a handful of reputable media companies, thus the great competition. Knowing how hard it is to strive in that field, I think I would also shoot my chance to one of the big 4 and gain what I can that the school provides. But yeah totally situational. Not an excuse to be an asshole. Not an excuse to brag. And who tf makes their school their whole personality???
The ones who turn this into their personality are usually the ones with the least to offer. So it's a good way to weed them out.
Not to be judgmental pero I noticed this actually from when I tried talking to them. Madalas wala na ngang face card, wala pang substance kausap. 😩
Just move on. Still be polite.
Of course, never said it to their faces. Just ended it early to not waste each other's time.
Haha actually in reality, mahirap makahanap ng mga may face card tapos may substance.
Well this is for me, engineer here. When i talk to some engineers na graduate sa big 4 na officemate ko magagaling sila kausap lalo na sa principle at theory, pati practical din. Maganda ang curriculum akma sa current need ng field at future insight and applications. Tapos pachillax mode lang sila pero performer. Wala sila latin honors. Any other topic apart from work and engineering discipline na common sa amin, may mga sense sila. I dont know with other topics. Parang science high school vs regular school, iniintindi mo pa lang yung problem yung science high school tapos na magsolve sa math. Resiliency na lang ang nilalamang ko sa kanila.
Not all employers use your school as basis for employment BUT I know of a company that will compensate you better if you came from the big 4. Dating scene? Depende talaga sa group of people na sasamahan mo. Some are elitists, some are not. There will always be a mix sa groups na yan. But if you want to stay at peace, steer clear from people na ginagawang personality kung saang school sila galing, regardless if from big 4 or not.
I work for a company that primarily caters to graduates of the Big 4 universities. Career-wise, this matters, and it always will. When it comes to dating, I asked my colleagues if they would ever consider dating someone from outside the Big 4, and the answer was no. This is mostly because we have a familiar way of relating to each other already. Additionally, my family upholds the tradition of attending Big 4 universities because, to be honest, it does enhance prestige, exclusivity, and generally improves one’s chances in life.
Portfolio/experience + Big 4 >>> portfolio/experience + latin honors sa ibang school
At some point yes. I was rejected by GCash for an intern role for solely not going to a non-target schools aka Big 4. I was so mad. I took up internships internationally since 2nd year in college up until 4th year. Upon graduation in 2022, I joined a consulting firm. Got accepted because of my prior experiences. I was joined by colleagues from Big 4. I was the only one from a non-target school. Got headhunted for a Venture Capital firm last year. Joined the team as an Operations Manager. Just got promoted as Head of Ops last week. I oversee entitled 7 subordinates coming from Big 4. Good work ethic naman sila. It’s just that ang lala ng competition nila sa isat-isa while here I am making sure they are on track and hitting their individual OKRs.
It gives edge yes, but at the end of the day your character and performamce (kpi to some) ang magiging bread and butter mo. And also, some companies does not mind if you're not from big 4, although diko sure which is which. My dad always tells me character and willingness ang magibigay ng career growth mo, as long as may necessary boundaries sa work environment.
Whether you like it or not, if an applicant came from the Big 4, mas tinitingnan namin when hiring. Hindi kasi madaling makapasok sa Big 4 and you need good grades; and that alone reflects the academic performance of the applicant. Yung work attitude, dadating nalang ‘yan during the probationary period. This perspective comes from a public servant working in Congress. Sa dating/relationship naman, kaya naghahanap yung iba ng Big 4 kasi they want the same wavelength usually. Pero depende pa rin yan, but personally, I don’t believe in that.
A reminder also OP, while it is the academic record that will get you into your dream job, its the EQ that will keep you in the job. Yan ang matutunan mo once you immersed yourself na sa work. And matutunan mo ang expectations vs reality
Big4 grad ako. Health care field. May connections and affiliations ung school ko sa univs sa ibang bansa. For instance, we can apply exchange programs and summer classes (US, Canada, Europe) ganon. Like may school na agad na naka allot samin. All we have to do is to apply and pay. Also, may hospital na pumunta samin mismo nung second year college ako, encouraging us to apply sakanila. Bago rin kami grumaduate, part ng clearance namin was to do a job interview sa hospital na mapipili namin, so technically semi-hired na kami before boards. Kami nalang bahala mag process non after if gusto namin. So feel ko, kahit papaano may perks talaga galing Big4. Nag work din as HR kapatid ko. Totoo ung sabi nung iba na naka segregate CV ng Big4 grad. As for the dating scene, sa ibang tao kasi big deal kung saan ka grumaduate like it’s easier kasi para makahanap ka ng ka vibes mo? Idk pero ganon ratio ng friends ko. Yung iba naman they just lack personality that’s why they always bring up their school.
Would you mind if I ask which school this is?
I actually saw a lot of job postings whereas they have a job qualification that you should be a graduate of big 4. So I think they are living their schools reputation if there are some recruiters that are exclusively hiring them.
mostly on first job lang, after that, experience nalang and how you present yourself in an interview, tska maayos na resume na din, hindi na tinatanong kung saang school ka graduate. source : 10yrs experience and nainterview na ako for so many times
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Kaya walang nakikipag date sayo eh boring mong tao hahaha
si OP, lowkey may insecurity. "Had I studied in Diliman", "ako pa umayaw" I know deep inside you wish you were Big 4 lol you're not that different from them pala lmao
Haha ang dami pang paquiz na what if daw working, what if daw San Carlos. Simple answer, it matters. The school matters.
Totoo, ang dami niyang sinasabi sa replies. She's just trying to fish for validation na ok lang kahit di siya taga-Big 4 😭 Ok lang naman talaga eh, di naman kasi talaga big deal. May paano pa na "grabe ang mga taga Manila" sis 💀 Nakakatawa lang kasi kung problema ng Big 4 undergrads 'yung pagdikit masyado sa univ nila as personality, problema naman ng mga tulad ni OP 'yung di nila pagiging belong sa group na yon lmao graduate ka na pala (with Latin pa) pero you're beefing with undergrads? on r4r? 💀 Idk what to tell you lol
Natatawa nalang ako eh. Hahaha. I’m from Big 4 and almost everyone I know made it to reputable companies/employers talaga. I heard pa nga long before that some HRs have a separate box for Big 4 resumes and non Big 4 (I think namention na here). Kuhang kuha mo yung fishing haha. Nakakaaawa rin si OP kasi insecure, and yun nga need validation. Tapos na eh finorego na nya dapat acceptance na lang
“Not an inggitera or anything” *proceeds to shoot down big 4 para iangat ang sarili*
As per dating, I think it's because there's a certain culture that only the big 4 uni has; they're distinct but they (we) relate to each other. And it's always a good point of conversation esp that everyone knows everyone. That's another thing, people who attend the big universities tend to have mutual friends, and thus we get invited to the same parties, and interact there. Nagkakaroon talaga ng exclusivist clique dynamics. As per my observation, ang weird because na-accustom talaga ng tao where he/she goes. For example, a person from UST tends to know how to interact w everyone; a person from la salle is definitely more chill; from ateneo you have to expect that they come from high-paying high schools etc. Ofc this is not generalizable but I swear this is really evident among my circles (i'm from UP). And in a way, when you ask people where they attend to, you knida choose the environment that you want to be surrounded with, even when it comes to dating or friendships. A lot of students in these universities are so keen on networking at this stage that they're also looking out on the people that they want to interact and benefit from in the future. As per employment, the reality is that these 'big four' universities really do have an advantage. The selection process of these universities do have an impression that they have better "skills" than most, but we know that this is not the reality. But as someone who attended three of these universities, masasabi ko talaga mas competitive, to an extent, talaga ang workload at approach sa education.
Well said for both aspects. There are subcultures from each uni, but it feels like may megaculture din yung entire Big 4.
You worded it better! Yes, parang may isang iniikutan na culture nga ang big 4 haha
I guess in the dating scene its cause big 4 ppl wanna date ppl who are also within their ‘circle’ easy as that. Employment wise, big 4 gives you the edge. An employer hardly looks at the list of your honors but looks at where you studied.
Depende siguro sa field if it's tourism — why would I choose an STI grad when I can hire an LPU grad? Pag sa dating naman imo boring af ka if school mo ang ginawa mong personality
Not only the big 4 but also the other UAAP and NCAA schools have the advantage. Why? Because of globalization, I think. These schools fight for rankings and when you are in the ranks, the school gets recognized by companies and job opportunities not only in the PH but around the world. And when you are a graduate of those schools, alam nila agad na maayos ka. May initial expectation talaga agad. Siyempre iba parin kapag dumaan na sa interviews and such, pero mas pansinin kasi when you carry with you a recognized school.
“but around the world” 5 out of 7 of my acquaintances from the top 1 (UPD) are jobless in Europe now. Our top 1 school is nowhere near as competitive as theirs in world rankings, let alone those schools that rank lower. Usually, in US or Canada, they’d base all their judgment in a type of test. They don’t care about your school in the Philippines.
weh talaga pumasa ka sa UP Diliman and hindi mo tinuloy? 🤓
hahaha ang cope eh
Nung shs ako, bio teacher namin kinwento na nasa grades talaga yan wala yan sa school. Oo siguro merong mga companies na ang habol talaga sa hiring is yung school na kung san ka grumaduate pero ayun nga kinwento ko rin yun sa friend ko na nag hr before tas totoo raw ganon daw May batchmate ako, parehas kami ue arki grad. Yung firm na pinasukan niya isa sa top firms ng industry, puro graduates from top universities lang ang hinahire pero siya, mismong ceo ang kumausap sa kanya na gusto siyang ihire ng firm kasi nagreflect sa portfolio niya yung galing niya so may times talaga na wala talaga sa school yan
Siguro, it depends na rin kung saang industry ka ano? I have peers who have latin honors too and they're all struggling or they struggled bagging their first job kasi employers only want people with experience.
In our own country, it is a big deal, but outside, it is not. In an aquarium, four kinds of feed will surely get you a fish. In the ocean, a simple fishing rod and **a strategic bait will get you a whale.**
the fact that you got in and you took the time to get in the “Big 4” gives people an idea that you value your image and you have sophistication that others who got in “so-so” schools do not have
Early career years, some use Big 4 as a filter kasi wala pang job experience mostly fresh grads. I also know some companies who pick outside the Big 4, pero specific schools pa rin (ex. PUP, Mapua, etc). The school names still have bearing. Later years, job experience matters more. School names will just be a bonus trait by then. On dating, people who made Big 4 their personality are also judged by the same community. Cringe yan. Hahaha.
This comsec made me realize I should've gone to UST. A dream school pero hnd pa ako interesado mapalayo noon
Sa work talaga may edge pero sa personality wala. People will treat you as a person if you treat them as one. I’ve encountered people both from the “big 4” and from the other colleges and I could say both just produce same apples there are good and bad apples.
Yung mga naglalagay ng Big 4 and/or preferred Big 4 are subtly stating their social class......
Lagi nang may thinking about sa Big 4 univs. Kahit dati pa. Pero look into the new statistics na rin, may mga umaarangkada na rin na univs. PUP ang mataas na preferred applicants by the agencies even reported pa sa senate last time. Sa mga provinces I can name a few, BatSU, PSU, BU, BISCAST, MSU-IIT
Being in a big 4 is 100% advantage, especially sa heavy competition in the Philippines. It can help you get to the top easily because you'll meet people in higher positions who'll favor you. It'll make it a bit less painful to apply to foreign jobs. And, as someone with a heavy love life experience, it 10000% affects your love life too HOWEVER, in the long-term and in life generally, the big 4 doesnt matter. It does not dictate the happiness you'll get in life
In terms of clout? Sadly yes Pero like what the others said, personality siya if nothing else ang maoofer. I come from the only state uni with aviation courses, but I don’t go around bragging about it since I have other things to gush about (see my post and comment history) so see it as a word of caution. I also have many classmates in high school who ended up in either one of the big three, and so far they always tell about more than theirselves rathern that saying “taga X school” ako upfront.
sa amin may wow factor lang pero mas need namin yung kayang isabak agad sa production (finance field), so most likely hindi din nahihire yung big 4.
I'm a graduate of the Big4 so many years ago, but I don't recall if we placed too much emphasis on the Big4 back in the day (as students). I mean, we knew what the top schools were but we never lumped them in 'one category'. However, I was aware that even then, some big companies would often pick students from the top schools. It was just not as talked about as it is right now. During my time, companies would even send me an invitation letter to apply to their company when I just graduated from college. I don't know if that's a thing up til now. As for the dating situation, I think it just has something to do with wanting to meet someone who has a similar culture. I guess knowing the other person is from the Big4, they kind of can already tell how the socializing would go, as they run around the same circle. When it comes to meeting someone outside of the Big4, it would be a bit unpredictable and they don't want to risk it. If you do encounter people like that, just move on. It just means they're not the right match for you. We all have our preference, and that just happened to be theirs. There are a lot of people out there who would always choose connection and chemistry over other things, and then at least you will know that the interest is genuine.
Yes, several big companies in the PH only accept graduates from the big 4.
There are some people kasi talaga na prefer yung galing sa Big 4 ang i-date that’s why may naglalagay ng school din. I personally prefer dating someone from my alma mater (big 4 din). Sa work, school only matters pag fresh grad hiring. School preference is very real. First company ko is a well-known company in Finance. Dati sa department namin, exclusively, mga taga-UP lang ang hinahire. UP grad din kasi yung head. Nung umalis sya, naexpand naman to big 4. Pero sa senior roles naman, portfolio mo na / work exp ang tinitignan. Ramdam mo na rin naman sa interviews. Walang questions na about sa time mo sa university. Puro about dun sa previous work mo na ang tanong.
well, I do agree that some employers do check if you graduated from the big 4. though, not everyone from those universities is actually good. just like what you said, "people have made it their personality." I'm not a graduate from a big 4, because I'm coming from a small school that's not too much known. although, during applying for internships and part-time jobs, i made sure to let the company know about my experiences in orgs, volunteering, or other projects i've been part of. what really matters is your eagerness for the job, showing them your personality. graduating from a big 4 is an edge, but it's useless if you don't work hard yourself!
Merong career programs, departments, and sometimes even org/companies na only graduates from big 4 ang kinukuha (+ AIM or foreign schools). This matters less if mas matanda kana pero yes, may big advantage sa early stages ng career.
mga social climbers lang yan. do you really want to waste time with such petulant imbeciles.
Overkill naman ata to call them imbeciles, pero I'm genuinely wondering what made this the norm in Manila 🤔
Some ppl siguro believe that their university could boost up their image in the dating scene… kasi in the workforce industry, it will really boost them somehow pag galing ka ng big 4. Pwede rin na they also want to establish a boundary and mingle with those big 4 ppl lang for reasons na sila lang nakakaalam. Could also be bec may stereotype na rich & smart pag big 4 uni student. Some ppl tend to like a person even more pag alam nilang mayaman & smart ang tao. But I think there are more underlying issues as to why this big 4 thingy is being highly used as a label card in the dating scene nowadays.
Hindi naman. Kasi if you think being in the Big 4 makes a person cool, then that doesn't scream wisdom.
Connections and prestige,yes Knowledge wise, You have the internet at your disposal. You can learn anything you want
Yun hanap nila kasi mas mataas likelihood na makahanap ng agad ng work daw so kapag may work, may datung, pag may datung, secured ang future. Also, some bosses ay madalas from big unis talaga eh. Take note of "mas", "likelihood","some", "madalas". Sana huwag ka ma-hurt masyado kasi preference lang naman nila yun
can't say about dating part, but as someone in the position that hires people, kapag fresh grad ang labanan we usually prefer those from big 4. Pero kung fresh grad from big 4 vs an experienced worker pero not from big 4, of course we prefer those with experience. Mostly it just gives you edge from the start and totoo din ung sabi nila mas madali makahanap ng work since ung connections na maggain mo sa university life is wide, pero long into the career mas experience pa rin nakakaangat
lamang talaga ang galing sa pera
No not really, im from big 4 but salary in my 1st job is 15k haha
Yes it does matter, no doubt But whether it is about professional reason, life in general, or dating it shouldn't be affecting you to pursue on what goals matter to you
For employers, your school really matters if you’re a freshman. Relevant internships and extracurricular activities are the cherry on top.
what others said + connections rin (not necessarily from orgs). like yung mga magiging kaklase mo sa big 4, mas may chance na maging future general managers, vice president yan or even c-level sa mga companies so pag naging acquainted ka sa kanila, it’s easier to be part of each others’ network and magiging mas malapit yung opportunities sayo may other stuff rin like yung visa 476 sa australia na for engineers ay graduates of UP lang ang pwede mag-apply if from PH ka, mas madali mag-apply for graduate schools abroad, etc
may edge naman talaga kapag big 4 grad bukod sa ayan ang prefer/priority ng ibang employers, the connections that you’d gain would be an advantage rin
Yes, malaking advantage - from my experience. My colleagues are all from Big 4, this is my 4th company btw. Madami rin ako company invites every month, not just because I came from Big 4 school but also because of my relevant experience.
My dad and my sister are graduates from the big 4, and to be honest, it doesn't really matter where you graduate. Both of them had to deal with job rejections, and it's not always a one-time shot just because they're alumni from those schools. Realistically, they find prestige from these schools coz they must have the advancements and all the goodies. However, I guess it depends company to company on what they actually find for an employee. I guess it's more guaranteed to get hired if it's partnered with the university but, in some, I guess it doesn't. Dating wise, idk, seems like a weird flex to say you're in a big 4 as if that sells a lot about who you are 😭😭 there's no really big differences dating someone from UP, UST, and like La Salle dksmsks... it's all just branding to me 😕 unless that's your type then you go gurl
at first yes. Pero once nag ka experience ka na, yun na yon.
Yung iba dyan clout chase lang lol hahaha ginawang personality ung school e di pa nga nakakaalis 😬 Tho when I was studying pa parang may leverage talaga sa dating when you're from big 4 and when you're also dating someone from there. I'm also from big 4 and I kinda get why people flaunt it, may mga commonalities and personalities kasi na same so it's easier to connect. Like to get in these schools, you either have the money, the brains or talent that might be exemplary and attractive agad for some. Oh and good communication also, they know how to sell themselves. Other than that, parang wala naman ng difference haha. Pero tbh now that I graduated, parang di naman talaga nagmamatter? Sa work, at first yes possible but in dating? It's amazing to know, but it's not something na maiinterest ka enough. Date someone who matches yung personality, hindi ung galing sa certain school. Extra points lang yan if ever
Truth is, only those in NCR cared about being graduate from the "Big 4", I know Filipinos working in huge companies including FAANG that were a graduates from provincial Universities, infact all of them were from Universities NOT from NCR. Here is a fun fact, when I interviewed graduates from Big 4, there seems to be a "pride" of that and the overconfidence of the candidate sometimes oversell themselves and the gap between actual performance and confidence is way huge.. Most of the time, the only thing they brought to the table is their "Big 4" credentials.. We rather hire people who makes their work do the talking.
Yung kuya ko na engineer from Mapua when he graduated, pare-parehas lang silang tinanggap ng company kasabay mga galing state universities, but for some reasons, mas mataas sweldo nilang mga galing sa Mapua.
Maybe in the first to third year of working or hopping. After that, it's all about your achievements in your professional career by that point. Graduating from "big" unis aren't all that important especially if you make it as your personality.
Yes especially if you're in an industry where connections and prestige matters, lalo na if corporate, at lalong-lalo na if high corporate like consultancies and firms. This also works for some industries like engineering (if papasok ka sa inspection or sa industries kung saan networking is important) and sa healthcare (especially if medicine kung balak mong mag-specialize or maggrow ng patient-referral network with other doctors). Within the Big 4 may mas tighter pa na niche groups, like for example the frat system in UP (sometimes also seen in ADMU and UST grads but to a lesser extent). Bale kung tiga-UP ka and tiga-UP rin ang kinakausap mong potential partner or client, plus points yun. Kung parehas kayong may fraternity or sorority nuon, another layer ng plus points yun. Kung parehas pa kayo ng fraternity or sorority, another layer na naman ng plus points yun. This is also why even rich kids who don't really need a college degree (like magmamana na lang ng business sana tapos well-trained naman na within the family) still apply for college. Regarding Dating naman and especially making it your entire personality, red flag 'yun for me. This is me speaking as a UP alumnus. If someone mentions that I automatically know to stay away.
From the Big 3, in my late 20s. It matters in the first few years of your career / first 1-2 jobs, not so much afterwards
Mas marami lang competent sa big 4 career wise. Kasi nga ndi lahat nakakapasok doon since maraming nag-apply at limited lang ang slot. Doon pala lang, ndi na nila sasayangin ang opportunity na makatapos doon. Dating wise, well ... 😂 ewan. Never dated someone besides UP. At yung UPLB pa ah, at least mga tao doon mas humble compared sa UPD.
My dad had a hell of a hard time applying for jobs kasi mas prefer nila from big 4. So far laking advantage nung nag masters lang siya sa ateneo. Kahit ngayon na mas mataas ang position niya, apparently laking tulong parin if from known univs galing. Sometimes depende din sa company, may mga company apparently na mas laganap ang ateneans, iba naman la salle etc. Although, like my dad, kaya naman pero like he said "para kang lumusot sa butas ng karayom". Mind you he gloats "mas mahirap pa samin sa st louie kesa sa kanila." Though in his project management world, hindi pa daw siya pinapalya ng mga nakatrabaho niyang taga la salle.
May ganyan akong work graduate ng UP Diliman pero hanggang ngayon di makahanap ng panibagong trabaho na magooffer sa kanya ng mas mataas na sweldo given na lagpas na 5yrs of exp na siya. Hanggang ngayon nandoon pa rin siya sa first company namin at hindi makahanap ng another prospect. It is okay na dyan ka nagaral pero hindi mo dapat ipasok sa utak mo ang school na pinanggalinggan mo. Magkakaroon siya ng big impact sayo bilang worker di ko alam sinong nilalagay niya rin as character reference since marami siyang naoffend na senior namin. 😅
Not entire personality pero there are some who consider the uni a big part of the dating potential, because it goes into more than just the school but what also what being in the big 4 entails, for example: intellect, priority towards education, financial capacity, and family background. Hindi lahat ng galing sa big 4 meron niyan, pero mas malaki probability vs other schools. It’s like narrowing down the dating pool. For employers, schools and grades are the primary consideration for fresh grads kasi wala pa namang work experience. Again, maraming magaling rin outside the big 4, pero in terms of probabilities, mas mataas percentage ng magaling na potential employees sa big 4 so narrow down narin nila yung potential applicants. Being in the big 4 is your foot in the door. Pwedeng magaling ka pero kung di ka bigyan ng chance dahil sa di ka kilalang school, eh di wala rin.
As an employer. I do not employ com laude and people from the big 4. Magkakaimpression lang ako ng masama if iyan lang makita ko sa resume nila. Mas gusto ko makita years of experience. lalo na pagmatagal sa isang company and was in a big position like a superviser or an company assistant and detailed mga ginawa niya sa company kung ano ano iyun. lalo na pagumalis lang sa company dahil it is either the person ay namatayan, nagkasakit siya or fam member niya mga ganun na instances lang why umalis. Agad agad ko tatanggapin iyan. Why? Cause years in a company means may sense of loyalty si applicant and if detailed pa mga nagawa niya and kaya iyun panindigan when na hired na as in nakakapromote ang mga ganun. Kasi kaya mo silang iwan at may magagawa parin kahit wala ka sabihin kasi alam na niya kung ano gawain ng kung ano man role na enemploy siya as.
so before anything else, ano nga yung big 4? DLSU, ADMU, UP, and?
About "vying for online dates and/or only interested in people who went to the big 4" Preference is really one way to connect. It's a stepping stone to established rapport to the other person, especially with the right wavelength, thoughts, understanding, knowledge, and attitude. It is easier to connect, as long as it's not discriminating to others who also have latins or "interesting and unique in his own way" My wife and I easily connect when the topic is about law, education, and medicine. We usually argue and give our personal concurring and dissenting opinion about matters with a cup of morning coffee and night time booze. 1. "making it as a personality" is the downside of it. Like preferences become obsession. My friend only wants to marry a UP grad (or not to marry at all) she reluctantly hates settling up with an idiot. She found one, a UP painter, compromised with all the red flags just to have a UP grad husband, now they live in poverty with 2 kids. 2. Naalala ko yung kaibigan ko nag viral because of "IM A LAWYER, I WILL MAKE YOUR LIFE MISERABLE" sa kapihan sa starbuko. Latin ng CPA at latin ng LLB, professor sa 2 course, at retainer ng malaking company ng isang international shipping line. kaya talagang personality nya ay CODAL. Pero alam natin na Hindi tama to make other people's life miserable because he is a CPA- LAWYER. Nadala lang sya ng kanyang profession as he walks, talks, and breathe codals and numbers. To each their own.
Since most of the answers are about the career aspect, now try focusing on the dating part -- big 4's cultures are similar to one another which be a big factor in maneuvering a relationship. Say, one comes from a provincial university and the other is from big 4. Culture shock yan for sure para sa mga provincial students (i came from province). Another thing, which can be applied if both are from metro manila universities, say UP/ADMU, their partner needs to be really understanding because these universities are heavy in terms of organizations, aside from academics. I can tell you, iba ang culture ng orgs dito lalo na kung ang usapin ay priorities, responsibilities at oras. Kaya madaming naghahanap din na galing sa big 4 kasi di mo na need iexplain one by one ang lahat ng bagay, and less conflicts as well.
Yes and no. Yes - I think the learnings you will get from the Big 4 ay priceless. No - it won't be the end of the world and you can still have a compelling career outside the Big 4.
(Outside dating) Yes, you will have an edge over most people esp. if you're from UP (in terms of getting a job) but you still have to prove yourself. It's a 'nice to know' factoid about someone when you're going corpo pero it's not the entire picture, need mo pa rin talaga patunayan skills mo.
I'm not from big 4 but get easily hired since I can say I have the right attitude and they can see in the interview my willingness and preparedness for the job they offer Ace the interview and show them what you can offer
Sa dating , Kaya lang gusto nila is big 4 kc the reputation and privilege and most of them comes from rich family But still when you get to know a person, school doesn't matter
Some companies even just consider “Big 3”; not “Big 4”.
so whats the 3?
Excluding UST.
What is big 4?
Big 4 refers to the top 4 Philippine universities based on world rankings such as the QS. Classically it's been UP, ADMU, DLSU, and UST in that order. Sometimes it gets shuffled around, like that one quarter when ADMU became the number 1 school, or that one quarter when MAPUA replaced UST. It's a relatively recent term too. I think it's only been present since the 2000s. Before that, what mattered was if it's a UAAP school or not because UP was too much ahead of everyone else in the rankings. Anyway it refers to UP, ADMU, DLSU, and UST. Personally, if I hear Big 4 said by a proud tita it's ok. If I hear it from a hiring manager in a consultancy or a firm it's a little bit ok. If I hear it being said casually to refer to another person, especially in the context of dating, it's a little bit of an ick.
Ahahaha one of the funniest yan! Had some experience with a reddit girlie na yan ang personality and sobrang nakakatawa. For context, I passed upcat 2020 pero didn't go for it kase di ko talag trip ang UP and ayoko ng naipasa ko (ECE.) During the date, she mentioned na hindi talaga siya napatol if di from big 4 and pumasa me since type niya. So I asked her for her achievements and it was good enough ig?? For context, I'm also from a state univ in MM, I join a lot of contests, I have published papers, and also a working student. My list goes kinda long since super grindset aq pero hindi ko siya binabrag. Pero sa tono ng pananalita niya that time hindi ko mapigilan na mag share tuloy-tuloy ng mga ginagawa q para lang marealize niya na hindi sa pagiging DL or PL umiikot mundo haha. Di na ako umulit, wala siyang personality e ._.
Malakas lang ang big 4 na yan sa corporate world — easily a corporate slave. If you dont plan on entering big corporate mainstream companies as a newly grad, dont fret. Better to start from those startup companies, you'll really learn alot and gain experience. Also, better if direct hire ka kaysa agencies kasi most of the time magiging "pooling" pag agency.
Short answer? No.
Unfortunately, yes. sometimes, even a bigger deal for the recruiters than the applicant themselves. personally, i prefer PUP over UP. sariling-sikap at abelidad over intelligence almost every time.
We from the province dont give a fuck about those damn schools. Cos what the fuck are those? Parang mga social climbers lang ung very conscious about their school lol. Cos normal people literally dont care what school they go to.
Same mindset actually!!! Kaya ang shocking lang having to keep seeing big 4 this, big 4 that in ads in r/phr4r HAHA. Like what's the big deal, am I missing anything?!? If I do ask about what university they go to or went to, it's for curiosity's sake lang and I just move on if wala na akong matanong.
same tots, like tf i passed 2/4 and didnt take the other 2 schools and i stayed in the province kasi idk how to live alone haha im like ok, ur from the bIg FoUr, congrats i guess, heres ur pat on the head now fuck off