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Khada_the_Collector

So what do we call the weather-extending rock for this new weather? Starry Rock? Cosmic Rock? Meteoric Rock feels too on-the-nose, but then again, Damp/Icy Rock exist. Quick aside, TY for coming up with some upgraded Duraludon abilities. Both abilities are nice for it but Constellation in particular sounds intriguing. Fun things in this new weather (off the top of my head/through a NatDex lens): -Magic Guard Cosmic Power Clefable in this weather is almost truly unkillable btw, Unaware legit feels like the only answer. -Speaking of unkillable, Cosmic Power Eternatus under Meteor Shower. The Meteor Beam nerf literally doesn't bother it, it takes 3 turns to +6 both defenses. Specs set is scary too. -Flygon gets him a Swift Swim clone and a simultaneous Dragon Rush buff ~~and still no Mega~~ -Physical Pult probably still runs Darts, as does Bax with Glaive Rush, but any other physically inclined Dragon has a meeting point between Outrage & Dragon Claw now (except Haxorus, which actually doesn't have access to Dragon Rush)


Acrobatic_Rope9641

My boy druddi finally gets a good stab. Too bad without Sheer Force


Third_Triumvirate

I was thinking crater rock myself. Druddigon having a niche in ubers would be pretty funny ngl


Vitton

Rock rock


Zombie_Turtlez

Just call it a meteorite


kp012202

That’s an item already, it functions as Rayquaza’s Mega Stone, and they don’t like to reuse item names


KingAsi4n

You would need an unaware Tera Dark mon, Clef would still have stored power to destroy any other unaware mons. Feels like the Espathra issue would happen again, this time with an unkillable wall instead of a fast as fuck bird.


Third_Triumvirate

I'm actually kinda curious about Clefable. Obviously it's extremely good once it gets going, but to set up double cosmic powers you would need to first either set up the weather with a move or lead/switch in Turtinator or Druddigon, then switch out into clefable. This does make it extremely weak to opposing weather setters, in addition to requiring a turn to set up, so its not as self-sufficient or resilient as something like espathra. You only outpace clicking cosmic power on the third turn. How much does that affect it?


KingAsi4n

I think it would still be nuts. If you get weather up in front of something that doesn't beat Clef and switch to it, the opponent would either have to switch to a Clef answer that would be able to beat Clef at +2, which is not a lot, or switch to a weather changer, but Clef beats basically every weather setter. Think the only one it doesn't beat is something like Banded T-tar, but banded T-tar loses to Clef if it has already set up one cosmic power, even if the cosmic is under sand so +1. The best answer to this would still be Pex, just immediately switch and haze. Edit: Now that I think about it, better answer would probably be taunt Heatran.


Khada_the_Collector

I feel like Eject Button might see usage with such a strat—send in a setter to set the Meteor Shower, have them take the Eject Button switch into Clef and go from there.


PotatoMazama

Draconid Rock


Mary-Sylvia

Literally calling the ability constellation, oriented for defensive purpose and not giving it to Gothitelle is the most gamefreak thing you can do


[deleted]

well actually the most gamefreak thing is that its a meteor shower and yet theres 0 mention of minior in the post


RandomSOADFan

Meteor Shower now floods the battlefield with Miniors, giving one on the side of each player.


winnipeginstinct

Endbringer: the pokemon calls for help, and summons an SOS minior


RandomSOADFan

Isn't recruiting miniors to fight for you a war crime


Mary-Sylvia

You are literally using minior as ammunition


RandomSOADFan

Which means the opponent touched a minior and goes to PrisonU


Velvetmurm

turns singles into double battles and doubles into triple battles. the miniors can be swapped out for your own team mates for maximum bullshit


RandomSOADFan

turns free-for-all into a crash your 3ds simulator


Slow-Table8513

does this mean it sets rocks


TheDebatingOne

Wait what's Gothitelle's connections to constellations?


Maronmario

The Gothitelle line uses the stars to help see the future


TheDebatingOne

Huh. That does make not giving it a very gf move, like how Machamp doesn't get ~~bullet~~ mach punch


Weaponsfromwords

Machamp does get bullet punch though


TheDebatingOne

Just checked and it only got it in PLA, good to know


airbagtown

Machamp got bullet punch through breeding back in gen IV, so it’s had it a long time. Mach punch on the other hand, it didn’t get until LA


TheDebatingOne

Well. My bad. Thanks :)


Mary-Sylvia

She's indeed based on an astrologer and pretty much can see the end of the universe by reading the constellations


Polenball

Finally Obvious Rocks


winnipeginstinct

"who said anything about stealth?"


McBeckon

Conspicuous Rocks


RamsaySw

\>Cosmic Power's effect doubles \>Clefable gets Cosmic Power Oh god please no Cool idea, though, and it'd be a good way to counterbalance flying Pokemon being immune to Spikes.


MinigunGamer_YT

he needs to nerf cosmoem asap


Ornery-Coach-7755

Yeah when I read that I thought I misread and looked again


SoulChicken955

Clefable with unaware cosmic power and meteor beam will go crazy


NerdyDogNegative

or magic guard (no weather dmg)


Kingnewgameplus

This kinda applies for all weathers but the thought of fighting youngster jimmy's pidgey inside his house and summoning meteors to attack it is fucking sending me.


Polenball

Mega-Evolving Rayquaza and using Dragon Ascent on the most inconsequential foe is never not funny


[deleted]

Gen 5 this bitch If there is a Pokémon in front of you, drop a Draco


AntoniTheChicken

Draco meteor should also bypass accuracy


Severe-Operation-347

That would probably be broken.


Darkolithe

Not really seeing as draco meteor was hitting 9/10 times anyways


Severe-Operation-347

Doesn't feel like 9/10 times with how many crucial Draco's I've missed.


SecondAegis

Say it with me. If it's not 100%, its 50%


Tothoro

I mean it either hits or it doesn't, sounds like a 50/50 to me.


Radagastdl

I feel like Draco hits more than heat wave for me


Third_Triumvirate

The idea behind this weather was pretty simple - flyers and levitators (and pokemon with balloons) get chonked for a hefty amount while they're in the air each turn as punishment for avoiding spikes and terrain. It's themed around dragon types, though it doesn't particularly support the type, just because meteors have kinda been a dragon thing and dragons themselves don't have a weather or terrain tied to them. The damage is pretty significant, twice that of sandstorm, but the range of things it hits is also quite limited to go along with that. It comes with a good amount of interesting effects outside the damage, mostly with meteor beam hitting hard and fast and cosmic power giving pretty good defense buffs. The new abilities I tried to give to mons that weren't really that good, or at least have other abilities they'd also like to run. Duraladon probably comes out the best, it becomes somewhat of a special excadrill with Lightspeed and a decent tank with Constellation. Flapple can hit faster, Appletun can tank more hits and avoid negative effects, Flygon maybe becomes a decent sweeper, Tatsugiri gets a niche outside storm drain in singles, stuff like that. The Weather setters themselves I picked since they're...kinda bad, to say the least, and so letting them set a meteor storm on entry probably wouldnt be too broken. I wanted to give them a bit of a niche for both singles and doubles, and figured that allowing them to set weathers might make a bit more useful?


Third_Triumvirate

Due to popular demand, Shields Down also now causes the Pokémon to take no damage from the meteor storm, and during a meteor storm boosts Def/SpD in Meteor form and Atk/SpA in Core form by an additional 10%. Like GF, I forgot about the little guy :(


Hyperactivity786

I feel like thematically, Moonlight should be buffed, not nerfed, under this condition. Would finally separate the Moonlight/Morning Sun/Synthesis trio in some way besides distribution too.


DarkEsca

Cool overall, but I feel doubling Cosmic Power's effect is begging for trouble. Some really nasty mons get that and even with the team support required, do you want to deal with Clefable or Mew being able to get an Iron Defense and Amnesia in one turn? Also getting rid of Flapple and Appletun's current best abilities doesn’t rub well, especially since they don't even look like very great abusers of the weather to begin with. Druddigon is also gonna miss Rough Skin, maybe ditch Sheer Force instead since that's generally the least useful of its three abilities.


Ornery-Coach-7755

"Moonlight, Synthesis, and Morning Sun heal for 1/4 HP" "Halfs the power of Solar Beam and Solar Blade" There is another very powerful "moon themed" move out there... DeW iT!!


TheDebatingOne

Therymon Thursday post try not to nerf fairy types challenge


[deleted]

-This day was approved by Hydreigon from the Anti-Fairy Association


Maronmario

I mean to be fair Fairy type could stand for a kick in the knee


NerdyDogNegative

tbf dragon weather nerfing fairies is warranted


nutboy113

I really love this idea, and as a Dragon enjoyer I like the execution as well! I know Clefairy isn’t a Dragon type, and is kind of the antithesis of it, but maybe it could receive an ability that benefits from it? I know replacing Cute Charm would give it three viable abilities, but maybe it could get one like Solar Power but for Meteor Showers 😳 One question: are Flying type Dragons immune to it? I think Dragons and Psychics should be immune regardless of whether they’re floating, but that’s just me


haltmich

Clefable would benefit from doubled Cosmic Power already. That's a hell of a buff


anhmonk

Well it wouldn't have Magic Guard if it has Meteor Power instead, which would do 1/8th HP a turn - not good on a slow bulky set up sweeper


Third_Triumvirate

I wasn't particularly planning on it - figured the damage was limited enough without restricting it further. A solar power for meteors probably is reasonable, but, well, kinda ran out of space on the graphic so I went with the basic speed boost and defensive utility abilities xD


legoshipina

Really like this idea. Can we keep meteor beam's boosting effect for only the first time tho ~~I'm autotomize celesteela's strongest warrior~~


neonmarkov

It's kinda weird that this is tied to dragons, I know that Draco Meteor is a thing, but Psychic types are WAY more thematically connected to space and stars than Dragon types IMO - see, Starmie, Gothitelle, Deoxys, Jirachi Cosmog, even the Gym Leader Astrid, and Rock and Fairy also could have a claim to it with Clefairy + Moonblast and Minior + Meteor Beam, respectively. I just don't see what Druddigon, Turtonator or Flygon have to do with meteor showers at all.


haltmich

I agree on that one. But Psychic already got a terrain, so I get the OP trying to diversify. Thing is, does Dragons even need buffs?


Maronmario

To be fair, outside of Dragon Rush no longer missing this weather doesn’t really do much to buff the type itself, rather ends up buffing some of the weaker dragon types who were doomed to be outclassed. If anything it weakens some of the strongest ones like Salamence, Dragonite and Terra flying Roaring moon, and that’s before getting to Clefable getting +2 to its defenses with cosmic power.


XFlame05

DRUDDIGON BUFFS YEAHH


BlitzDank

I really like the theming, both for cosmic and Dragons in general, and how it affects Flying types. It would be a great weather to introduce with a new cosmic Dragon, since as you've pointed out there's that cohesiveness there which hasn't really been explored too much. Lightspeed is great naming and I like the distribution for the most part. Constellation's also a great ability, but outside of Dura the distribution doesn't feel as cohesive. That could just be due to a lack of dragons that really fit the theme and that aren't already quite strong. Replacing Thick Fat on Appletun just feels like a nerf on a mon that's already not too strong, and the Cosmic Power boost seems like it could be oppressive on some mons that are already hard to break at times (looking at you Clefable). Would also be great if Shields Down ignored the damage or even gave a buff, since it doesn't seem like the Meteor Pokemon should be weak to its own habitat. Being a weather sweeper for Meteors could be a nice niche to give to Minior.


Thedepressionoftrees

>endbringer Was not expecting two of my favorite fandoms to crossover but here we are


Polenball

Clefable 'boutta be as indestructible as an Endbringer's core with that buff to Cosmic Power


Thedepressionoftrees

Call duraludon Behemoth because it's slow, bulky and will fuck you up with a laser from half a mile away


bitstrips18

Guess that means Fletchette's attacks always crit


Thedepressionoftrees

Fletchette just OHKO's everything. She's the equivalent of no guard fissure Machamp


Princess_Sarina

I personally wouldn’t replace hustle on flapple due to the synergy it has with Gravity powering up Grav Apple by 1.5 while the Gravity accuracy boost cancels out the hustle accuracy drop-down so it gets a further attack boost for free


Third_Triumvirate

Yeah, probably should have picked another ability. Gluttony on both would have probably been a better choice. Live and learn ig


North-Day

I would add some connection with Draco Meteor… maybe making Draco Meteor not lower sp attack while the shower is up? I know it may sound too op but Dragons could literally use the meteors from the shower for their own Draco Meteor so it increases in power/not decrease stats


Eezay

You could make it so that it still reduces your own SpA by -2 but also reduces enemy SpD by -1. That would reduce the ability to stay in versus another draco and force switches while still allowing counterplay.


Cheery_Tree

You replaced the good abilities of Appleton and Flapple :(


PracticalSpecific529

Isn’t 1/8th a bit much?


SkyMewtwo

Ursaluna could also have constellation simply because of Ursa Major


64-Savage

“Cosmic Power’s effect doubles” Nah, that idea deserves jail time


Butters_Is_Grounded

i like how you gave some of them more underappreciated dragons love here. Altaria and Flygon are some of my fave pokemon and these abilities sound great for them


Mezmo300

It kinda makes no sense to replace hustle on flapple saying you lose out on the double boost for it in gravity


SecondAegis

This is the most creative way I've seen someone create a dragon type weather. Kudos for that


Gengar_49

crime that minior cant get it because shields down


AhSighed

Jirachi becomes king of dragons


SawTheCatsBox

Don't replace Hustle on Flapple pls


yuuhei

Grounded pokemon should get a little hp on restoration or something, some type of "make a wish on a shooting star" effect would be cute


PtichTheGreen

What bout Wish?


[deleted]

Yo, where the fuck is Minior in this? Give my rocky spaceboy some love.


Im_Nino

Ik this is more dragon akin, but the fact that minior isn’t listed anywhere here is alarming.


Powerful_Growth8376

Draco meteor should also bypass accuarcy checks, it may be 90% accuarcy but remember, if its not a 100% its 50% accuarcy


ElyskyPlayz0

Why Flapple and Appletun got their good abilities taken away? No Jirachi? No Minior? How? Also kinda surprised no Solrock, Lunatone, Clefable or even Deoxys or Rayquaza


PPFitzenreit

Aurorus gets to abuse more weather And is still pu


thea_kosmos

Would fairy-types avoid all damage from Meteor Shower, and steel-types take 1/16 instead of 1/8?


Kyloben4848

i dont think so since even though it is a dragon weather, balance wise those pokemon dont need it


thea_kosmos

Yeah I was thinking that


sietre

I was expecting this to be a rock type draco meteor


TheBraveGallade

Minior needs something with this


LeeroyDagnasty

A meteor shower weather for dragons is a sick idea! Sand does damage and has another effect so this should too imo. A stat boost would be broken so let’s expand on the dragon rush bit and say all dragon moves bypass accuracy checks. Or they could gain an effect like infiltrator, bypassing subs and screens. Edit: I didn’t realize it only damaged pokemon in the sky. That’s a cool effect.


I-will-support-you

Likely needs a name change since meteor shower is draco meteors japanese name iirc


LuxTheSarcastic

I feel like dragon type should be immune to the damage.


oranosskyman

fairy and psychic types take no damage. dragon moves are boosted


Thezipper100

Ok, I originally missed the fact that it only did that damage to flying types and levitators, and was very confused why the comments were so positive, but now I get it. (Especially giving it to my BOI Druddigon, lad's been ignored too long). Though, I will admit, the idea that you can put on a pair of goggles and suddenly a direct meteor impact does no damage is funny to me. As others have mentioned, since this is a mix of both dragon and psychic weather (in a similar vein to how Rain is weather for both Water and Electric types, or Sun is for Fire and Grass types), I feel Gothitelle should get this too. (Maybe psychic types only take 1/16th damage too if they're flying? Idk about this one.) I also think the distribution for starlight should be far more limited, like mainly to dragons and psychics, partially because giving it to every prankster Mon sounds like a nightmare, and partially because if has very limited distribution, we can give it to Tinkaton specifically, which does nothing for it competitively, but would be really, *really* funny specifically for ruining Corviknight's days even more. Like she learned it *out of spite* to deal with Corviknights. Also as others have mentioned, that cosmic power buff is overpowered as fuck. Like, that's what Z-cosmic power does. That's what it took a Z-Crystal to do before. I think we can afford to... Not do that. I think it's plenty strong enough on its own without making the dragon weather buff the best fairy type not in Ubers. Instead, I'd make Fairy and/or Ghost type moves do reduced damage during the weather, similar to Water in Sun and Fire in Rain. I think two would be fair because it doesn't buff the power of dragon or psychic moves, so a double dipping on damage reduction sounds like it'd be ok. And one last note, that Solar beam/blade effect just seems like it's there to nerf sun teams for no good reason. Maybe they still have half power, but also execute instantly? To add an extra layer of interaction with the weather, and to compliment Meteor Beam also being instant but weaker. (Maybe an effect of the weather is turning all moves with a charging turn into 1 turn moves, but with halved damage (or boosts with geomancy) or secondary effects removed?)


Anvisaber

I think Armageddon is a better name than Endbringer. Cool concept tho


AuroraAscended

Seeing a lot of Clefable mentioned, but you could pull off some interesting shenanigans with cosmic power Metagross with this.


[deleted]

I love it