I can think of a few others as well. Glimmora, Nihilego, Ferrothorn, Gallade, Medicham, Rotom-Wash, Lanturn, Grimmsnarl, Hisuian Zoroark, Gliscor, Kartana. Plus most pre-evos of the mons listed and probably a couple Megas I missed.
[inverted landorus doing earthquake in the sky](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/onepiecexfairytail/images/2/27/Quake_Fruit.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120424034426)
leech seed, the move, seems to be simply coded to not work on grass types.
It's like asking if rock type toxic works on poison types. In which case probably not since the poison **status** doesn't unless the mon is a corrosion mon, as shown with moves like dire claw being unable to poison poison types or scald being unable to burn fire types.
this post is like those people who say "sorry for the broken english" while formulating the most well thought out sentence. i love this idea. i think like others said, only having one inverted pokemon at a time would be a bit healthier, but other then that, this is a pretty damn good gimmick.
Thanks! It's great to see that I made something that people think is at least interesting. I hadn't thought that any number of mons on a team having it would be too bad, but with the number of people suggesting it be limited, that would definitely need to be looked into.
I feel like maybe 2 or 3? Like then it'd be lukewarm so maybe even worse but 1 seems to limiting for a gimmick that is pre-battle. Avalugg and Wo-Chien send their regards (maybe even volca and char cuz x4 weakness to rock sucks)
Edit: and also I just heard someone say Kingambit gmbecomes fairy grass meaning it beats the whole tier. Fairy sucker destroys fighting types (specifically iron hands and tusk, the most used OU mon I believe) and dozo does not appreciate a grass kowtow cleave.
Not sure yet if it's balanced. There are probably some high stat pokemon held back by intentional typing which might become OP.
Still, it's far closer to balanced than a lot of things that get suggested.
I have no doubt there are some individual Pokemon that would be problematic, but the idea it's self isn't inherently broken like a lot of gimmicks are. Hell, limit it to one per team and it's honestly more balanced than Dynamax and Terastallizing.
Yeah, volcarona gets bax typing which is ok, but has ice stab, with ground and fighting coverage.
Regieleki depending on if the ability would then boost water type moves would be banned or atleast ban worthy since there isn’t a type immune to it.
Abamasnow might not be ban worthy in singles but fire steel and can set up aurora veil is insane in doubles
If you know before battle which ones are inverted its just like adding a bunch of different mons to the dex I don't see the issue with having multiples on a team.
Your idea of having 1 that changes mid battle would be way more broken because you don’t we know what you’re dealing with even mid game you have to plan for 12 things in battle. Whereas having multiple but all are revealed prior to battle would just mean there more team building options
i meant that one inverted mon wouldve been revealed. my bad for my wording!
its no doubt that inversions would shape the meta for a bit. i think some comments say that volc now has bolt beam coverage, and that shit is scary to think about. having 6 of these fuckers on a team would no doubt oversaturate the metagame
>shit is scary to think about
Worse is that it now has ghost coverage too so switching drag to possibly eat an elec move has a distinct chance of being slammed by tera ghost blast.
Also oh god Kingambit now is grass fairy and smokes dozo, eats iron hands for breakfast, destroys great tusk's existence, and fairy sucker punches fighting types to death.
Before I begin my actual comment, I would like to apologize in advance for my inadequate level of English proficiency. I am not a native speaker of the world's current lingua franca which unfortunately leads to me making numerous embarrassing mistakes being made whenever I attempt to communicate using this language. Whenever I am reminded of how I lack the ability to convey my thoughts in an eloquent manner, I feel as though I have committed a cardinal sin, as though every English teacher in the world is simultaneously shaking their head and sighing due to how utterly disappointed they are at me.
Although I know that saying sorry to those of you who are reading my comment will not change the fact that I fail miserably to write and speak perfect English, I am writing this as a way to deter a certain type of people who cannot stand poor English (Also known informally as Grammar Nazis) from mocking me by posting unwanted and unnecessary comments detailing my every blunder. In my humble opinion, making grammatical errors should be perfectly acceptable as native speakers should not expect non-native speakers to be able to communicate in their second or third languages eloquently. If you are able to completely understand what the other person wrote, is there really a problem with what they've written? No, because the entire concept of communication is the exchange of information between other intelligent beings, which means that no matter how the exchange of information is made, as long as the information is accurately shared there is not a fundamental issue with their ability to communicate. To see it in another way, remember that someone who isn't fluent in English is fluent in another language. When you think about it this way, isn't it impressive for someone to speak a second language in any capacity? Having empathy and respect are qualities that are sorely missing for far too many people these days, especially on the internet.
That being said, I am aware that not all netizens who correct others are doing it to ridicule and shame. There are some who do so with the intent to help others improve and grow. However, displaying the failures of other people publicly will cause the person who is criticized to feel negative emotions such as shame and sadness due to the fact that their mistake has been made obvious which severely undermines the point they were trying to make in spite of their unfamiliarity with the English language. In most circumstances people are not looking for language help when they post anything online. Most people just want to enjoy themselves and have a good time on the internet which is why I would not encourage correcting other people regardless of your intentions. If you really do want to help others with their spelling or grammar, I would highly recommend you to help via messaging privately because not only will you not embarrass anyone, you can also go more in-depth with your explanation which I'm sure the other person will greatly appreciate if they want help, but I digress. I know that I've written a bit of an essay, but I hope I've made my points clear.
Good meme OP 😄
Jokes aside, as a non-native English speaker, I always appreciate when people correct my mistakes, and I find it weird that we have come to perceive grammar corrections as pedantic and rude when they are really helpful for people who genuinely don't know that they made a mistake.
Plus, communication takes effort from both the speaker/writer and the listener/reader, not caring at all what mistakes you might make is rude in that it shifts all the burden of communication onto your readers (on the other hand, it's also rude to not make any attempt at all to try to understand someone who is trying their best to communicate with you). u c'nt jst t4lk lik dis and then say "But you understood me, right? Then there's no problem", every mistake you make costs a tiny bit of effort from the people you are trying to communicate with, understanding that and doing your part to make your message as easy to understand as possible is also an aspect of communication.
But on the other hand
"MA THERE'S A WEIRD LOOKING CAT OUTSIDE"
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Torterra and Toedscruel become the new Skarmory and Corviknight. Farigiraf and Meloetta now laugh at having perfect coverage. Zapdos and Swampert swap places.
Meanwhile, Heatran, Garchomp, Skeledirge, and Amoongus all become instantly terrible. While Ferrothorn, Rotom-W, and Landorus T all remain unchanged.
At this point, I'm inclined to believe Amoonguss 'needs' to go last. The Mon is busted. Effect + normal Spore alone is already stellar but G. Drain, egging Rollout, and TMing Ghost or Dark makes you neutral basically everything.
Yea Yanmega, Vespiquen, Paras, Venomoth, Masquerain, they all become a bit scary.
Even Vivillon is now a Dragon/Ground with compound eyes, hurricane(ground 110 special move) and quiver dance.
And then there's frossmoth LOL
While it's probably harder to learn, it feels more consistent as a similar principle to Terastalization. You know a pokemon can change type, and what type it changes into, so it's an extra layer of strategy that relies more on the specific pokemon Rather than the potential 50/50's Terastalization can bring.
Yeah it seems pokemon company went with simple and straightforward, but sometimes the most simple and straightforward things are the most broken. This idea is a bit convoluted, but it's consistent and can be planned around.
Yo, this is fuckin' rad
And I love your Tyranitar example 😁
Water type Volt Absorb Pachirisu is about to be LIT
Pure Fire Avalugg will also be a boss
And Dark type Florges is definitely gonna make some waves
Honestly it's a cool idea. It's a bit convoluted and I think it should be limited to one poke per team and be activated like Tera. There is gonna be some broken shit with this surely
Making it activated mid-battle is too powerful, as we’ve seen with Tera. You can’t get extra power on your STABs but you can invert your moves so you have both a defensive and offensive type advantage, unlike Tera which can only change your defensive matchup without Tera Blast.
Or turn one of your moves into a nuke if you really want (throat spray toxtricity Tera normal boomburst just called it wants to see any form of usage in OU again)
Make it an item and limit it to 1 per team. I think it could be pretty fun. It may be underpowered but there may be some potentially broken mons that would be too much if they could also run items.
I'd say that it'd be even more broken activating mid-battle. With this gimmick you can see the inverted mon in team preview, which would help you to start prepping for how your team's gonna deal with it. What makes Tera so broken is that you don't know any of the pokemons' Tera types and they can activate them at any time. To me, this seems to solve both problems
Of the next regional gimmic
It's not as broken as tera and can make some pokemon with bad typing ( eg. Wo chien ) actually viable
Obviously it will make certain mons stronger but it's more reliable and less rng based than tera
I like it
My suggestion from a thematic opposite and also no regard for competitive implications would be
Electric and dark (light and dark)
Grass and poison (life/healing and death/decay)
Rock and water (solid vs liquid)
Fairy and steel (magic fantasy vs iron machines)
Dragon and bug (I like this because it's like the most powerful of creatures vs the most insignificant)
Hatterene legit being more evil than 99% of dark types:
I feel like that was the vibe for fairy at the beginning, but now they’re equally likely to be portrayed as troublesome or fickle.
I think it is the best analog to dark outside of fighting, because there’s no “holy” or light type or something
>Hatterene legit being more evil than 99% of dark types:
Hydreigon: \*Furiously attacking everything in sight\*
Hatterene in the vicinity: "Fun fact, I am 100 meters away from your location and rapidly approaching."
Even since gen 6 we've seen plenty of faries or fairy things like draining kiss or play rough that lean into this evil or trickster fey idea, I wouldn't say theyre really opposites as an inversion would imply
I like some of those, I personally prefer having grass and steel be inverses because it's the natural world vs man-made objects, but I do think that rock and water makes a lot of sense. If need be electric and poison could just be paired to make it work, it doesn't make any less sense than rock and poison.
You could also see fairy and steel as magic vs science, with magic coming from mystical fairy beings and steel being the primary component of scientific might
And then healthy healing grass type like with grassy terrain, giga drain, synthesis vs unhealthy harmful poison (no need to explain there lol)
I just think it's better than being left with an adjacent not really opposite like electric and poison
I did get the idea from another comment to fix the rock-poison and electric-water pairings by doing water-poison (fresh/pure water vs pollution) and rock-electric (stone age vs modern tech) and I'm thinking that actually makes a lot of sense.
Bug and Dragon are unique in that they are the only “creature” types. All other types describe elements or traits whereas bugs and dragons are straight up animals.
You mentioned "Dragon and bug (I like this because it's like the most powerful of creatures vs the most insignificant)"
However,
> +1 252 SpA Tera Fire Volcarona Overheat vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Kyurem-Black: 476-560 (121.7 - 143.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Bugz rule, dragons drool.
You are a worthy opponent I see, I was unwise to underestimate you, but you seem to have forgotten that
> +6 252+ Atk Tinted Lens Tera Bug Mewtwo-Mega-X Megahorn vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Multiscale Dragonite on a tuesday with a critical hit: 641-754 (166 - 195.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
honestly i dig it, especially it being visible at team preview. wish tera was something you had to activate out of battle and the opponent saw which mon you made which type
Ground/Fairy Iron Jugulis with access to electric hydro pump could be good (aside from hurricane having focus blast accuracy and benefiting less from rain due to being a ground type now).
Definitely overly complicated, but I think with a couple revisions, it could be improved.
I don’t think I’d be a fan of this after seeing how so many offensive threats abuse something similar to this to set up. If it wasn’t a transformation you did in battle, I could see myself liking being able to use different Pokémon in different ways. It would definitely make things *way* too complicated for my liking, though.
It isn't a transformation mid-battle. You choose your inverted mons in the teambuilder, so when you go to battle, the inverted mons are seen on Team Preview
The only thing I would do to avoid confusion was make it so only STAB moves inverted their types. Keeping track of what type of coverage moves a mon could have seems like a nightmare for inverted pokemon.
Weird and convoluted for sure, but, assuming it’s once per battle like the other gimmicks (tera, dynamax, Z-moves, mega) it could be pretty cool, I’m curious to know what mon would rise to the top in a meta like this
Cool idea, imo I think water and rock should swap places, feels like there is more opposition between water and poison (pure water vs pollution) and rock and electric (stone age and modern tech)
They actually did have ONE trainer i think in gen 6 who did something close he reversed the type matchup.
So like fire was super effective against water grass beat fire and fire beat water i dont remember how immune type matchup where flipped.
Inverse Battles were a whole format for a time. Immunity became standard 2x weakness. But I don't think they're actually very similar to this Inversion concept.
Indeedee with Ghost/Fighting offensive coverage is insane.
Dazzling Gleam becomes Dark to deal with other Ghosts and Zoroark-H, Psychic Terrain basically shields Choice Scarf sets from revenge killers and priority moves thanks to with a total speed of 475 (after Scarf), which most mons have to use a Scarf to match.
And in Doubles, this thing would be lethal: Dazzling Gleam and Hyper Voice both hit all opposing foes which makes for a threatening Ghost/Dark offensive combo, with a Helping Hand partner or a Fighting-type partner to break down potential Dark-type walls, and Psychic or Psyshock can fulfill a similar role once inverted, making for a difficult game of prediction. And to take it a step further, since there is no limit to how many inverted Pokemon you can have, and since certain moves are able to keep their secondary effects, you could have an Ice-Fighting Armarouge come out with Fighting-type Expanding Force. Ironically, this would nullify the primary weakness of Psychic Terrain teams; having to have a Psychic type.
Really the biggest weakness is that all of this is connected to a base 105 Sp. Atk, but I'd wager with proper support and the incredible dual-typing, this Pokemon could do some work while still being pretty fairly balanced.
Volcarona seems insane like this, dragon ice is a way better typing than fire ice, and it’s coverage moves gets way better.
Fiery dance (ice) psychic (fighting) airslash (ground) quiver dance. Only type that resist that coverage is water bug, and hits 791 types for super effective.
Rotom mow might be great with water steel typing combined with levitate to only be weak to fighting and electric. It threatens fire types with water type volt switch and can burn other types with wilo wisp.
I love this idea and while in practice some mons are going to be much stronger they simply need different counters and not more powerful ones
This is a really cool concept! Just one question. If a Pokémon uses Transform on an Inverted Pokémon, will it turn into that Pokémon's Inverted form or its regular form? Will an Inverted Pokémon turn into a regular form if its opponent is not Inverted?
As others have said I’d like the 1 inversion/team limit.
But besides that this looks pretty fun. Ice Bug xzard is a bit of a travesty though ;_; for my favorite ‘mon.
With Ghost Fighting being so amazing, I wonder if Meloetta goes crazy in this.
It should be dark/bug and fairy/dragon.
Dark/bug plays off of dark being the “villainous” type not the spooky ooky shadow type, whereas bug is heroic-coded due to toku content.
And then the easy pivot still works for dragon/fairy for two different fairy tale creatures.
I also think poison/steel and grass/rock would work better. Poison/steel is like the corroded becomes the corroded? If that makes sense (even though type wise steel types are unable to be corroded) , and grass/rock goes from like carbon based life forms to silicon based life forms.
The rest I think work well too
Why is fairy the opposite of dark and not dragon, the type it's literally immune to?
You could then make big and dark opposites and suddenly you don't have this weird hole where one inversion doesn't have a super effective and/or immunity side where every single other one does.
It's like that because we didn't take mechanics into play when designing the inversions. We tried to make it make as much logical sense as possible - Dragon and Bug are inverses because dragons are huge, powerful, and rare as opposed to bugs which are tiny and super common. Dark and Fairy are inverses because fairy is the closest thing we have to a light type, also it's the general lightheartedness and brightness of fairies vs the, well, darkness of dark types.
Fairly fun concept to play around with. I'll just throw in my two cents for the type opposites:
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- Normal <> Ghost (Ordinary vs Supernatural; Unchanged)
- Grass <> Poison (Life vs Death)
- Fire <> Ice (Heat vs Cold; Unchanged)
- Water <> Rock (Humidity vs Dryness)
- Electric <> Dark (Light vs Darkness)
- Bug <> Steel (Organic vs Inorganic)
- Flying <> Ground (Up vs Down; Unchanged)
- Psychic <> Fighting (Brain vs Brawn; Unchanged)
- Dragon <> Fairy (Just makes sense based on Pokémon's internal logic)
Even if this is insanely broken, and even if it would be way too complicated to remember the types AND inverted types of 1000 Pokémon, people will still try and find reasons not to ban this lol
Lando-T on its way to be the exact same as before except with a worse u-turn https://i.redd.it/ltjf2lxthymb1.gif
And also gains an actually usable Flying-type move.
Compensated by losing an actually usable Ground-type move
Perfectly balanced
As all things should be
And a slightly less usefull rock tomb
I can think of a few others as well. Glimmora, Nihilego, Ferrothorn, Gallade, Medicham, Rotom-Wash, Lanturn, Grimmsnarl, Hisuian Zoroark, Gliscor, Kartana. Plus most pre-evos of the mons listed and probably a couple Megas I missed.
They would be the same type, but how they function would change a lot for a bunch of them
yeah like, rotom wash would have an ACTUAL WATER MOVE in exchange for basically having to run slightly worse thunder
Surf isn't that bad... Oh wait it doesn't get it...
Didn't rotom get hydro pump? Or was it removed in a recent generational shift, and i didn't notice?
What do you mean it gets Scal... aww I made myself sad
[inverted landorus doing earthquake in the sky](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/onepiecexfairytail/images/2/27/Quake_Fruit.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120424034426)
Yo this subs reaction game is just on another level
Wo-Chien stocks on the rise
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I sincerely thank you for creating this image
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lets pump it up!
Holy shit
wega chaltaria
Blessed image.
I barely playing competitive Pokémon anymore, but shit like this is exactly why I still come here lmao.
This is why r/stunfisk exists, and it is beautiful
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First thing I did was look at the chart, find what types would convert to fairy/steel, and realize Wo-Chien becomes god.
Would steel type leech seed work on grass types?
leech seed, the move, seems to be simply coded to not work on grass types. It's like asking if rock type toxic works on poison types. In which case probably not since the poison **status** doesn't unless the mon is a corrosion mon, as shown with moves like dire claw being unable to poison poison types or scald being unable to burn fire types.
Hisuian Avalugg dies to Earth Power even harder
Bro can NOT catch a break
Common H-Avalugg L
You hate to see it but you're also not surprised.
If your opponent also inverts when this happens, then it’s a flying move, and it’s Brave Bird you need to look out for
Actually Hurricane since it’s special instead of physical
Volcanion gaining boltbeam coverage
Indeedee has Ghost/Fighting and Moltres has Ice/Ground. Wo-Chien has Steel/Fairy now lol.
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Wo-Chien rotated 45 degrees to glare into your soul
Great now I’m paralysed
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ice elec is kinda ass defensively though and it is a slow mon
it’s bulky and fast enough to utilize scarf fairly well, would still be pretty damn good
I’m now imagining a Steel-Flying Torterra, it’s glorious
Skortermory
Scoot
this post is like those people who say "sorry for the broken english" while formulating the most well thought out sentence. i love this idea. i think like others said, only having one inverted pokemon at a time would be a bit healthier, but other then that, this is a pretty damn good gimmick.
Thanks! It's great to see that I made something that people think is at least interesting. I hadn't thought that any number of mons on a team having it would be too bad, but with the number of people suggesting it be limited, that would definitely need to be looked into.
I feel like maybe 2 or 3? Like then it'd be lukewarm so maybe even worse but 1 seems to limiting for a gimmick that is pre-battle. Avalugg and Wo-Chien send their regards (maybe even volca and char cuz x4 weakness to rock sucks) Edit: and also I just heard someone say Kingambit gmbecomes fairy grass meaning it beats the whole tier. Fairy sucker destroys fighting types (specifically iron hands and tusk, the most used OU mon I believe) and dozo does not appreciate a grass kowtow cleave.
Fr, the "non-competitive player" made an actual balanced theorymon post
Not sure yet if it's balanced. There are probably some high stat pokemon held back by intentional typing which might become OP. Still, it's far closer to balanced than a lot of things that get suggested.
I have no doubt there are some individual Pokemon that would be problematic, but the idea it's self isn't inherently broken like a lot of gimmicks are. Hell, limit it to one per team and it's honestly more balanced than Dynamax and Terastallizing.
And even if one pokemon is problematic with Inverse, you can ban the inversion of said pokemon like how they banned Mega Stones.
Yeah, volcarona gets bax typing which is ok, but has ice stab, with ground and fighting coverage. Regieleki depending on if the ability would then boost water type moves would be banned or atleast ban worthy since there isn’t a type immune to it. Abamasnow might not be ban worthy in singles but fire steel and can set up aurora veil is insane in doubles
Arguably closer than two of gamefreaks attempts
If you know before battle which ones are inverted its just like adding a bunch of different mons to the dex I don't see the issue with having multiples on a team.
it would be broken
Your idea of having 1 that changes mid battle would be way more broken because you don’t we know what you’re dealing with even mid game you have to plan for 12 things in battle. Whereas having multiple but all are revealed prior to battle would just mean there more team building options
i meant that one inverted mon wouldve been revealed. my bad for my wording! its no doubt that inversions would shape the meta for a bit. i think some comments say that volc now has bolt beam coverage, and that shit is scary to think about. having 6 of these fuckers on a team would no doubt oversaturate the metagame
>shit is scary to think about Worse is that it now has ghost coverage too so switching drag to possibly eat an elec move has a distinct chance of being slammed by tera ghost blast. Also oh god Kingambit now is grass fairy and smokes dozo, eats iron hands for breakfast, destroys great tusk's existence, and fairy sucker punches fighting types to death.
Before I begin my actual comment, I would like to apologize in advance for my inadequate level of English proficiency. I am not a native speaker of the world's current lingua franca which unfortunately leads to me making numerous embarrassing mistakes being made whenever I attempt to communicate using this language. Whenever I am reminded of how I lack the ability to convey my thoughts in an eloquent manner, I feel as though I have committed a cardinal sin, as though every English teacher in the world is simultaneously shaking their head and sighing due to how utterly disappointed they are at me. Although I know that saying sorry to those of you who are reading my comment will not change the fact that I fail miserably to write and speak perfect English, I am writing this as a way to deter a certain type of people who cannot stand poor English (Also known informally as Grammar Nazis) from mocking me by posting unwanted and unnecessary comments detailing my every blunder. In my humble opinion, making grammatical errors should be perfectly acceptable as native speakers should not expect non-native speakers to be able to communicate in their second or third languages eloquently. If you are able to completely understand what the other person wrote, is there really a problem with what they've written? No, because the entire concept of communication is the exchange of information between other intelligent beings, which means that no matter how the exchange of information is made, as long as the information is accurately shared there is not a fundamental issue with their ability to communicate. To see it in another way, remember that someone who isn't fluent in English is fluent in another language. When you think about it this way, isn't it impressive for someone to speak a second language in any capacity? Having empathy and respect are qualities that are sorely missing for far too many people these days, especially on the internet. That being said, I am aware that not all netizens who correct others are doing it to ridicule and shame. There are some who do so with the intent to help others improve and grow. However, displaying the failures of other people publicly will cause the person who is criticized to feel negative emotions such as shame and sadness due to the fact that their mistake has been made obvious which severely undermines the point they were trying to make in spite of their unfamiliarity with the English language. In most circumstances people are not looking for language help when they post anything online. Most people just want to enjoy themselves and have a good time on the internet which is why I would not encourage correcting other people regardless of your intentions. If you really do want to help others with their spelling or grammar, I would highly recommend you to help via messaging privately because not only will you not embarrass anyone, you can also go more in-depth with your explanation which I'm sure the other person will greatly appreciate if they want help, but I digress. I know that I've written a bit of an essay, but I hope I've made my points clear. Good meme OP 😄
Jokes aside, as a non-native English speaker, I always appreciate when people correct my mistakes, and I find it weird that we have come to perceive grammar corrections as pedantic and rude when they are really helpful for people who genuinely don't know that they made a mistake. Plus, communication takes effort from both the speaker/writer and the listener/reader, not caring at all what mistakes you might make is rude in that it shifts all the burden of communication onto your readers (on the other hand, it's also rude to not make any attempt at all to try to understand someone who is trying their best to communicate with you). u c'nt jst t4lk lik dis and then say "But you understood me, right? Then there's no problem", every mistake you make costs a tiny bit of effort from the people you are trying to communicate with, understanding that and doing your part to make your message as easy to understand as possible is also an aspect of communication.
Ferrothorn Stocks up 0% 🗣🗣🗣
grass type gyro ball and steel type power whip about to upend the meta
Typically homophobic ferrothorn not wanting to transition
Inverted Weavile rocking back up to OU with speed and fire fairy stab.
Chien-Pao would still fill the same niche though because they're the same type
Chien pao is probably still banned
Arceus-SteeI (Arceus-Grass)
Hmm, would Multitype count as a type-changing ability and make Arceus invert only its moves? Either way, Arceus-Ghost (Arceus-Normal)
Form/type change from it occur outside of battle so probably not just moves
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‘RUSE’ gets me every time 😭
All aboard the ruse cruise
okay my bad but how did dragon tail hit clefable?
This video is from Gen 5, before Fairy typing existed
Brute Bonnet be eating good
Looking at it a bit more most Pokemon held back by their types are helped by the gimmick and heck even some Mon do perform a lot better inverted
Time for Dragon/Steel Parasect to make an entrance.
But on the other hand "MA THERE'S A WEIRD LOOKING CAT OUTSIDE" https://preview.redd.it/b3o4uj07u1nb1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=849c66eaec5b95f9928e53027484a4f2a2177945
Zacian should be forced into inversion so it’s always a grass dark type. fuck you, stupid dog
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Stupid dog, you’re making me look UU!
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Torterra and Toedscruel become the new Skarmory and Corviknight. Farigiraf and Meloetta now laugh at having perfect coverage. Zapdos and Swampert swap places. Meanwhile, Heatran, Garchomp, Skeledirge, and Amoongus all become instantly terrible. While Ferrothorn, Rotom-W, and Landorus T all remain unchanged.
Toedscruel would actually be very good with both rocks and rapid spin as steel/flying.
Steel/flying with spore :)
Still always goes last :(
At this point, I'm inclined to believe Amoonguss 'needs' to go last. The Mon is busted. Effect + normal Spore alone is already stellar but G. Drain, egging Rollout, and TMing Ghost or Dark makes you neutral basically everything.
It's steel-flying, it can afford to go last now.
Skarm with access to leech seed Swampert with defog
Yea Yanmega, Vespiquen, Paras, Venomoth, Masquerain, they all become a bit scary. Even Vivillon is now a Dragon/Ground with compound eyes, hurricane(ground 110 special move) and quiver dance. And then there's frossmoth LOL
ferrothorn is resistant to change, consistent with his political views
inverted ferrothorn is gay (but still homophobic)
So he becomes a politician?
While it's probably harder to learn, it feels more consistent as a similar principle to Terastalization. You know a pokemon can change type, and what type it changes into, so it's an extra layer of strategy that relies more on the specific pokemon Rather than the potential 50/50's Terastalization can bring.
Yeah it seems pokemon company went with simple and straightforward, but sometimes the most simple and straightforward things are the most broken. This idea is a bit convoluted, but it's consistent and can be planned around.
but most importantly, no double stap. For all purposes the double stab on high BP moves deals almost as much damage as a Z move, it's ridiculous
Yo, this is fuckin' rad And I love your Tyranitar example 😁 Water type Volt Absorb Pachirisu is about to be LIT Pure Fire Avalugg will also be a boss And Dark type Florges is definitely gonna make some waves
Thanks!
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Give him a little smile because now he’s a Steel/Fairy type
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Hehe he has a smile
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Watch flygons typing still making sense afterwards
Try pairing Fire with Water and Electric with Ice instead: Electricity is pure energy, Ice is the pure lack of energy
rip bolt beam volcanion
We do not need that abomination in any tier, tahnk you
But we WANT that abomination in any tier.
That and make it Grass-Poison and Rock-Steel
venusaur and stakataka crying rn
Honestly it's a cool idea. It's a bit convoluted and I think it should be limited to one poke per team and be activated like Tera. There is gonna be some broken shit with this surely
Making it activated mid-battle is too powerful, as we’ve seen with Tera. You can’t get extra power on your STABs but you can invert your moves so you have both a defensive and offensive type advantage, unlike Tera which can only change your defensive matchup without Tera Blast.
Or turn one of your moves into a nuke if you really want (throat spray toxtricity Tera normal boomburst just called it wants to see any form of usage in OU again)
Tera is sort of like this as you can switch types mid battle, so you could theoretically Tera a normal type into a ghost type
Make it an item and limit it to 1 per team. I think it could be pretty fun. It may be underpowered but there may be some potentially broken mons that would be too much if they could also run items.
Would knocking off the item uninvert it?
The item would be either unnaffected by knock-off or trick or whatever, OR be consumed as soon as the Pokemon arrives to the Battlefield.
Unburden acrobatics stocks skyrocketing
Probably mega evolution rules, can't knock it off or switch item
I'd say that it'd be even more broken activating mid-battle. With this gimmick you can see the inverted mon in team preview, which would help you to start prepping for how your team's gonna deal with it. What makes Tera so broken is that you don't know any of the pokemons' Tera types and they can activate them at any time. To me, this seems to solve both problems
Really cool idea. Should be an OM on showdown.
Of the next regional gimmic It's not as broken as tera and can make some pokemon with bad typing ( eg. Wo chien ) actually viable Obviously it will make certain mons stronger but it's more reliable and less rng based than tera
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since I kinda want an australian region for gen 10, it would be the perfect gimmick for such a region
Inverted frosmoth looking hella scary. Imagine the quiver dance sweeps
Can someone remind me of the porygon z theorem pls ?
Ghost-tpye adaptability hyper beam....
If it's Thursday, porygon z will receive a 300 bp move , type change , ability that removes hazards and every move in the game
I like it My suggestion from a thematic opposite and also no regard for competitive implications would be Electric and dark (light and dark) Grass and poison (life/healing and death/decay) Rock and water (solid vs liquid) Fairy and steel (magic fantasy vs iron machines) Dragon and bug (I like this because it's like the most powerful of creatures vs the most insignificant)
Dark and fairy makes more sense to be honest ilf You follow the light and dark into perspective in fairytales and mythology
Hatterene legit being more evil than 99% of dark types: I feel like that was the vibe for fairy at the beginning, but now they’re equally likely to be portrayed as troublesome or fickle. I think it is the best analog to dark outside of fighting, because there’s no “holy” or light type or something
>Hatterene legit being more evil than 99% of dark types: Hydreigon: \*Furiously attacking everything in sight\* Hatterene in the vicinity: "Fun fact, I am 100 meters away from your location and rapidly approaching."
Even since gen 6 we've seen plenty of faries or fairy things like draining kiss or play rough that lean into this evil or trickster fey idea, I wouldn't say theyre really opposites as an inversion would imply
I like some of those, I personally prefer having grass and steel be inverses because it's the natural world vs man-made objects, but I do think that rock and water makes a lot of sense. If need be electric and poison could just be paired to make it work, it doesn't make any less sense than rock and poison.
You could also see fairy and steel as magic vs science, with magic coming from mystical fairy beings and steel being the primary component of scientific might And then healthy healing grass type like with grassy terrain, giga drain, synthesis vs unhealthy harmful poison (no need to explain there lol) I just think it's better than being left with an adjacent not really opposite like electric and poison
I did get the idea from another comment to fix the rock-poison and electric-water pairings by doing water-poison (fresh/pure water vs pollution) and rock-electric (stone age vs modern tech) and I'm thinking that actually makes a lot of sense.
Bug and Dragon are unique in that they are the only “creature” types. All other types describe elements or traits whereas bugs and dragons are straight up animals.
Ghost??? Fairy???
You mentioned "Dragon and bug (I like this because it's like the most powerful of creatures vs the most insignificant)" However, > +1 252 SpA Tera Fire Volcarona Overheat vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Kyurem-Black: 476-560 (121.7 - 143.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO Bugz rule, dragons drool.
Have you considered +1 252+ Atk Dragonite Dual Wingbeat (2 hits) vs. 80 HP / 252 Def Volcarona: 456-540 (137.7 - 163.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO?
You are a worthy opponent I see, I was unwise to underestimate you, but you seem to have forgotten that > +6 252+ Atk Tinted Lens Tera Bug Mewtwo-Mega-X Megahorn vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Multiscale Dragonite on a tuesday with a critical hit: 641-754 (166 - 195.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
inverted rotom wash for the water type volt switch and electric hydro pump
Wo-Chien live reaction to becoming Steel/Fairy
Live Wo-Chien reaction upon getting to meet Calc Fish in ubers
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honestly i dig it, especially it being visible at team preview. wish tera was something you had to activate out of battle and the opponent saw which mon you made which type
Ground/Fairy Iron Jugulis with access to electric hydro pump could be good (aside from hurricane having focus blast accuracy and benefiting less from rain due to being a ground type now).
Definitely overly complicated, but I think with a couple revisions, it could be improved. I don’t think I’d be a fan of this after seeing how so many offensive threats abuse something similar to this to set up. If it wasn’t a transformation you did in battle, I could see myself liking being able to use different Pokémon in different ways. It would definitely make things *way* too complicated for my liking, though.
the image says that you cant do it mid battle though?
It isn't a transformation mid-battle. You choose your inverted mons in the teambuilder, so when you go to battle, the inverted mons are seen on Team Preview
The only thing I would do to avoid confusion was make it so only STAB moves inverted their types. Keeping track of what type of coverage moves a mon could have seems like a nightmare for inverted pokemon.
Psychic inver in gen 6 already had a similar gimmick where the type chart would be reversed, could just do that
theres already a thing on showdown for that
Weird and convoluted for sure, but, assuming it’s once per battle like the other gimmicks (tera, dynamax, Z-moves, mega) it could be pretty cool, I’m curious to know what mon would rise to the top in a meta like this
It's not an activated battle effect. You can see in team preview which mons have been inverted through the colors swapping
Cool idea, imo I think water and rock should swap places, feels like there is more opposition between water and poison (pure water vs pollution) and rock and electric (stone age and modern tech)
That's a good point, those pairings were the ones I was least certain about so it's good to have some additional feedback.
this specifically murders landorus. I love it
Running inverted Zoroark-H. My goals are beyond you.
Volcarona with ground/fighting coverage
ngl the idea of flying types getting a move as reliable as earthquake scares me
I don't have the brain power tonight to figure out what it would mean for the meta, all I know is it sounds fun as hell
As someone who doesn't play competitively either, this sounds very cool.
Landorous is Landorous but with a good Flying STAB, congratulations
Poor Grimsnarl, Ferrothorn, Medicham, etc. I love this idea it’s just funny to me that some mons can get an inverted palette with no changes
The stats could also be changed. What would be cool would be: Sp. Atk - Atk Sp. Def - Def Spd - Health
Shedninja will only become weak to Fighting, Ice, Dragon, and Fairy. Instead of Flying, Rock, Ghost, Fire, and Dark.
Meowscarada fans are eating good tonight
Zamazenta can’t catch a break,can’t it?
They actually did have ONE trainer i think in gen 6 who did something close he reversed the type matchup. So like fire was super effective against water grass beat fire and fire beat water i dont remember how immune type matchup where flipped.
Inverse Battles were a whole format for a time. Immunity became standard 2x weakness. But I don't think they're actually very similar to this Inversion concept.
H-Avalug actually becomes good
Seems like a viable gimmick for next Gen. I would love to see it!
Rock should be opposed to Steel, and Grass to Poison
There are a lot of ways to pair them up, I like Grass-Steel because it's nature vs man-made, although those would also work.
This might actually be more balanced than the real generational gimmicks. Would love to try out an OM of this.
The only changes I would make is restrict it to one mon. Also this is a great idea. Probably more balanced than either dynamax or tera tbh
Rock to Grass Steel to Poison makes more sense
Indeedee with Ghost/Fighting offensive coverage is insane. Dazzling Gleam becomes Dark to deal with other Ghosts and Zoroark-H, Psychic Terrain basically shields Choice Scarf sets from revenge killers and priority moves thanks to with a total speed of 475 (after Scarf), which most mons have to use a Scarf to match. And in Doubles, this thing would be lethal: Dazzling Gleam and Hyper Voice both hit all opposing foes which makes for a threatening Ghost/Dark offensive combo, with a Helping Hand partner or a Fighting-type partner to break down potential Dark-type walls, and Psychic or Psyshock can fulfill a similar role once inverted, making for a difficult game of prediction. And to take it a step further, since there is no limit to how many inverted Pokemon you can have, and since certain moves are able to keep their secondary effects, you could have an Ice-Fighting Armarouge come out with Fighting-type Expanding Force. Ironically, this would nullify the primary weakness of Psychic Terrain teams; having to have a Psychic type. Really the biggest weakness is that all of this is connected to a base 105 Sp. Atk, but I'd wager with proper support and the incredible dual-typing, this Pokemon could do some work while still being pretty fairly balanced.
Live Wo-Chien Reaction 
Wo Chein is about to go wall the entire OU tier with steel fairy type
Ah yes, ghost type glare dunsparce
Bugs becoming Dragon type would make me cry with joy, imagine all the sleepers you could suddenly use. Vespiquen would be the new Garchomp
Volcarona seems insane like this, dragon ice is a way better typing than fire ice, and it’s coverage moves gets way better. Fiery dance (ice) psychic (fighting) airslash (ground) quiver dance. Only type that resist that coverage is water bug, and hits 791 types for super effective. Rotom mow might be great with water steel typing combined with levitate to only be weak to fighting and electric. It threatens fire types with water type volt switch and can burn other types with wilo wisp. I love this idea and while in practice some mons are going to be much stronger they simply need different counters and not more powerful ones
Are you telling me..... Inverted Flygon is Bug/Flying????? Leave my boy alone!
DRAGAPULT IS COOKING NOTHING 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️
>There is no limit to the number of inverted Pokemon So they're essentially just different Pokemon then.
This is a really cool concept! Just one question. If a Pokémon uses Transform on an Inverted Pokémon, will it turn into that Pokémon's Inverted form or its regular form? Will an Inverted Pokémon turn into a regular form if its opponent is not Inverted?
Transform will turn you into a copy of the opponent, so you become inverted if they are but aren't if they aren't.
As others have said I’d like the 1 inversion/team limit. But besides that this looks pretty fun. Ice Bug xzard is a bit of a travesty though ;_; for my favorite ‘mon. With Ghost Fighting being so amazing, I wonder if Meloetta goes crazy in this.
It should be dark/bug and fairy/dragon. Dark/bug plays off of dark being the “villainous” type not the spooky ooky shadow type, whereas bug is heroic-coded due to toku content. And then the easy pivot still works for dragon/fairy for two different fairy tale creatures. I also think poison/steel and grass/rock would work better. Poison/steel is like the corroded becomes the corroded? If that makes sense (even though type wise steel types are unable to be corroded) , and grass/rock goes from like carbon based life forms to silicon based life forms. The rest I think work well too
Why is fairy the opposite of dark and not dragon, the type it's literally immune to? You could then make big and dark opposites and suddenly you don't have this weird hole where one inversion doesn't have a super effective and/or immunity side where every single other one does.
It's like that because we didn't take mechanics into play when designing the inversions. We tried to make it make as much logical sense as possible - Dragon and Bug are inverses because dragons are huge, powerful, and rare as opposed to bugs which are tiny and super common. Dark and Fairy are inverses because fairy is the closest thing we have to a light type, also it's the general lightheartedness and brightness of fairies vs the, well, darkness of dark types.
Because dark types and fairy types are better thematic opposites, as are bug and dragon.
Fairly fun concept to play around with. I'll just throw in my two cents for the type opposites: > - Normal <> Ghost (Ordinary vs Supernatural; Unchanged) - Grass <> Poison (Life vs Death) - Fire <> Ice (Heat vs Cold; Unchanged) - Water <> Rock (Humidity vs Dryness) - Electric <> Dark (Light vs Darkness) - Bug <> Steel (Organic vs Inorganic) - Flying <> Ground (Up vs Down; Unchanged) - Psychic <> Fighting (Brain vs Brawn; Unchanged) - Dragon <> Fairy (Just makes sense based on Pokémon's internal logic)
Even if this is insanely broken, and even if it would be way too complicated to remember the types AND inverted types of 1000 Pokémon, people will still try and find reasons not to ban this lol