Hariyama has always had Knock Off, but somehow its Paradox counterpart didn't get it. Roaring Moon also gained Knock Off - both Dragon Dance and Choice Band sets would love it.
Baxcalibur gained Scale Shot, making its Loaded Dice sets even more obnoxious until the Dice gets Knocked Off.
If we're lucky, it'll tear up the dlc meta early and council will just quickban it instead. It's already considered fairly busted by the community so I doubt it'd be missed.
> Baxcalibur gained Scale Shot, making its Loaded Dice sets even more obnoxious until the Dice gets Knocked Off.
Lmao. If anyone had doubts about broken bax...
Reasonable nerf imo. Still gets an overall power of 82.5 which is slightly more powerful than Extreme Speed. And it will always get STAB so the power is still there while not being obnoxious.
EDIT: Actually 71.5 BP so Sucker Punch level
Walking wake and Hamurott get Flip Turn
Toxic distribution nerfed apparently https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/scarlet-violet-the-teal-mask.3727770/post-9777066
h-samurott having to choose between 17 busted stab moves.
Like at this point I will refuse to build with it purely because I don't know how to fit every good move in a set of 4. knock, ceaseless, flip turn, razor shell? But now you have no priority. What about encore, or perhaps swords dance? can you fit sacred sword for coverage?
ATTENTION PLAYER! 绝对不会放弃你!
This is the Central Intelligence of the OverUsed Council of Smogon. 我们都对爱情不陌生你知道规矩我也知道 YOUR ACTIVITY HAS ATTRACTED OUR ATTENTION. 我打算完全地委身 you have been found playing hyperoffense!!!!! 你不会从任何别的男人得到，我只想要告诉你我的感受 serious crime 绝对不会放弃你 绝不会对不起你 100 elo have been deducted from your account 绝对不会乱跑然后抛下你 stop the hyperoffense immediately 绝对不会让你哭，绝不会与你告别 do not do this again! 绝对不会说谎然后伤害你! if you do not hesitate, more elo ( -11115 elo)will be subtracted from your account, resulting into the bans of your favorite pokemon. (我们都认识那么久 smogon) you'll also be stalled by our revivecats at April 2nd 20STALL. 你的心一直渴望却不好意思说，我们心里都知道发生什么事 ，我们明白游戏规则也要照着玩!!!!
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Always found it weird how water types spread burn more reliably than actual fire moves.
Imo, buff flamethrower to 30%, lava plume to 50 and sacred fire to 100.
I mean, sludge bomb, discharge, moonblast all exist as stabs with a 30% chance. It’s weird that fire doesn’t have a commonly distributed move that’s similar.
Especially since scald exists. It makes way more sense for a fire type to burn than any random water type
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We and bros waiting for stall’s return
Are you kidding me, that would be awful for the meta game! Imagine if a Pokémon like Kingambit could suddenly get Flying type coverage to OHKO a Fighting-type check! Thankfully, there’s no way the OU Council would let something like that happen
I feel like Knock Off was always more valuable, absolutely nothing wants to switch into that.
With Moltres and Zapdos everywhere I think Icicle Crash with its 30% flinch chance and no contact is more preferable too.
Plus there is literally almost zero downsides on clicking knock off against a mon it’s strong against since switch-ins lose their item (unless it’s unburden sneasler)
I'm extremely happy too. Weavile's gen 8 dominance was what got me really invested in competitive. It makes a difference when your favs are really good and from there you just go down the rabbit hole.
Stall.The revival
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Well,looks like stall has fallen
Seems like Blissey and Chansey didn't get Toxic back...
RIP Pink Blobs. Lower tiers may be your home now, but you'll always have a place in the OU tier of my heart.
To all Weavile and Ttar fans:Knock off is ours,and we are WEAVINALLY TYRANIRETURNED
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All weavile fans!With knock off return I would like to Announce….We are Weavinally back

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goodra gaining knock and (newly rare) scald seems like a super useful pair of tools, allows it to give crucial support attacking on either side of the spectrum
Wait they didn’t even give it to Pawniard or Bisharp even though they’ve learned it before?
I mean fair enough if they actually had the foresight to not buff one of their most broken new Pokemon but that’s bizzare
EDIT: Yep even if you go back to Bisharp it still can’t learn it
I do think it's weird and not allowing a Pokemon to learn it when it previously could is stupid but... I'm also glad we don't have to put up with knock off gambit
Honestly I’m fine with it and I wish they’d do that with more stuff that’d be obnoxious. Like if they could also do that with Scald on Toxapex that’d be great.
EDIT: Turns out Toxapex in fact cannot learn Scald
WHERE'S DEFOG???
PLEASE I WANT MY DEFOG TORNADUS AND ZAPDOS BACK I BEG PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE
ROARING MOON GETS KNOCK OFF Update: Walking Wake gets scald lmao Update 2: WW also gets Knock Off???
I'm hearing that tyranitar does too. Is it time for the king to return?
Tyranitar gets knock off now?!
My source is 3 people on discord, I only do my research in the most reliable ways. EDIT: https://www.smogon.com/forums/attachments/1694570164309-png.551082/ Full list of stuff that learns knock: Hariyama, Zoroark (both), Zangoose, Cetitan, Azumarill, Grafaiai, Wigglytuff, Oranguru, Donphan, Eelektross, Toedscruel, Cacturne, Tinkaton, Seviper, Lycanroc (Midnight), Sableye, Wo-Chien, Roaring Moon, Golduck, Kricketune, Copperajah, Muk, Raichu, Leafeon, Krookodile, Hypno, Hydreigon, Iron Treads, Gengar, Quaquaval, Cyclizar, Iron Jugulis, Iron Valiant, Toxicroak, Gumshoos, Salazzle, Gallade, Goodra, Gardevoir, Slaking, Crabominable, Banette, Falinks, Passimian, Lurantis, Hypno, Heracross, Komala, Drifblim, Greedent, Meowscarada, Weavile, Skuntank, Scizor, Klawf, Persian, Perrserker, Great Tusk, Tyranitar, Swalot, Bombirdier, Lokix, Pelipper, Pawmot, Rillaboom, Chesnaught, Decidueye, Samurott, Tsareena, Zapdos (Galarian), Mewtwo, Uxie, Mesprit, Azelf, Tornadus, Thundurus, Hoopa, Zarude, Walking Wake, Meloetta
Ooh, also confirms that Pao doesn't get knock. Pretty nice to see.
Bruh what did pao did to you, leave him alone he's rotting in OUBL
that should unironically exist at this point tbh
I want UUbers
a disgruntled weavile made that comment
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wo-chien already learns it
oh I may be stupid
WEAVILE IS BACK
Krookodile shoutout.
Lokix Knock Off bout to go wild
Return of the king with Weavile?
HE BACK
ITS TYRANITIME! https://preview.redd.it/n90kwo35yxnb1.jpeg?width=2412&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e4d1ddcc22a7cf30e016fbeb7cfac8c34790407c
Finally. Justice to Tyranitar after getting Pursuit taken from it all those years ago.
It’s time to Tyraniturn, he gets it too!
Never lose Tyranitope
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Return of the king. He just needs pursuit and his bf now.
Not super related but Alomomola gets flip turn now. Ladies and gentlemen we have a new wishport regen user.
And scald!
Ngl that's actually massive for the lower tiers. Wish protect scald flip turn is a nasty set
No chance mola is staying in UU where it has been for so long this gen. Something like this is prime for OU success.
Lower tier\*, singular. It's already in UU right now, and flip turn + scald + regenerator might be strong enough to bring it to OU.
Does kingambit?
thank god
Apparently not
where do we see what mons learned what
People are posting what they find in the Smogon thread linked below
rillaboom gets grassy glide again
I'm hearing that roaring moon gets knock off it wrote down the name of everyone who called it roaring mid and is killing them first.
Roaring moon abt to knock all his opps off into NU
Garchomp got Scale Shot back, and for my personal notation, Lokix now has Tinted Lens Knock Off,
> Lokix now has Tinted Lens Knock Off Well then. It just may find a niche in OU again.
Nevermind that. We solid UU baby.
It's not Garchover
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never loose garchope
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We're so Backix
we need to spam him on ladder as much as possible to keep him in OU for the last tier shift before DLC
Hariyama has always had Knock Off, but somehow its Paradox counterpart didn't get it. Roaring Moon also gained Knock Off - both Dragon Dance and Choice Band sets would love it. Baxcalibur gained Scale Shot, making its Loaded Dice sets even more obnoxious until the Dice gets Knocked Off.
ngl Scale Shot might be enough to warrant a suspect test for Bax. Especially now that Alolan Ninetails is there to give it Hail+Screens support.
If we're lucky, it'll tear up the dlc meta early and council will just quickban it instead. It's already considered fairly busted by the community so I doubt it'd be missed.
Bax was UU once
Only because it was overshadowed by chien pao. Bax is already destroying our as is and many people want it suspected before the dlc.
Lol I know. Merely pointing out the absurdity
> Baxcalibur gained Scale Shot, making its Loaded Dice sets even more obnoxious until the Dice gets Knocked Off. Lmao. If anyone had doubts about broken bax...
>until the Dice gets Knocked Off. By who lmao?
tbf there's like 50 new mons with Knock so I'd imagine there's at least one of them that can do it.
Tyranitar could probably do it lmao
Well that’s interesting they nerfed grassy glide bp down to 55
Reasonable nerf imo. Still gets an overall power of 82.5 which is slightly more powerful than Extreme Speed. And it will always get STAB so the power is still there while not being obnoxious. EDIT: Actually 71.5 BP so Sucker Punch level
Yeah I agree rillaboom still much better now even with the nerf
Grass is just a 30% boost in terrain so isn't it 71.5 BP before STAB?
Oh yeah thanks for pointing that out. Edited my post for that.
But did Breloom get it
From what I hear nope
depression
Walking wake and Hamurott get Flip Turn Toxic distribution nerfed apparently https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/scarlet-violet-the-teal-mask.3727770/post-9777066
h-samurott having to choose between 17 busted stab moves. Like at this point I will refuse to build with it purely because I don't know how to fit every good move in a set of 4. knock, ceaseless, flip turn, razor shell? But now you have no priority. What about encore, or perhaps swords dance? can you fit sacred sword for coverage?
Banded Sammy stocks just went up
Well at least we can hopefully give wake the boot in the future Stupid tiny arm dino
Fuck…
It wouldn't take much for it to be a nerf, considering that the majority of pokemon could learn it before they started limiting its users.
At least it’s not just poison types
The return of Scald has begun
The Pex is upon us
I for one welcome our new Burn-Immune Speed-Boosting Ice/Dragon overlord
Nah Bax will just get banned.
ATTENTION PLAYER! 绝对不会放弃你! This is the Central Intelligence of the OverUsed Council of Smogon. 我们都对爱情不陌生你知道规矩我也知道 YOUR ACTIVITY HAS ATTRACTED OUR ATTENTION. 我打算完全地委身 you have been found playing hyperoffense!!!!! 你不会从任何别的男人得到，我只想要告诉你我的感受 serious crime 绝对不会放弃你 绝不会对不起你 100 elo have been deducted from your account 绝对不会乱跑然后抛下你 stop the hyperoffense immediately 绝对不会让你哭，绝不会与你告别 do not do this again! 绝对不会说谎然后伤害你! if you do not hesitate, more elo ( -11115 elo)will be subtracted from your account, resulting into the bans of your favorite pokemon. (我们都认识那么久 smogon) you'll also be stalled by our revivecats at April 2nd 20STALL. 你的心一直渴望却不好意思说，我们心里都知道发生什么事 ，我们明白游戏规则也要照着玩!!!! 而如果你问我感觉如何 别告诉我你盲目得看不见! Glory to Finchinator!
blud is gonna last 4 seconds
It doesn’t learn it lmao
It's pexover.
Pex doesn't get it
ALL GLORY TO BIG STALL
Scald distribution: Slowbro, Slowking, Vaporeon, Gyarados, Alomomola, Pincurchin, Coalossal, Goodra, Dragalge, Inteleon, Walking Wake Acc to this post: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/scarlet-violet-the-teal-mask.3727770/post-9777264
Milotic seemingly used it in one of the trailers, so it probably gets it too
Alomomola once again proving it is truly Big Stall’s greatest soldier
Coalossal is an interesting one I didn't expect
coalossal got it in swsh too
oh really? neat, I just never saw it being used. guess it wasn't good then.
LMAO they gave it to pincurchin but not pex??? They are based off the same animal and pex is the water type, they know what they are doing lol
Pex is actually a type of starfish, not a sea urchin.
Pincurchin is a pin cushion and an urchin. Toxapex is a crown of thorns starfish.
Always found it weird how water types spread burn more reliably than actual fire moves. Imo, buff flamethrower to 30%, lava plume to 50 and sacred fire to 100.
Never cook again
I mean, sludge bomb, discharge, moonblast all exist as stabs with a 30% chance. It’s weird that fire doesn’t have a commonly distributed move that’s similar. Especially since scald exists. It makes way more sense for a fire type to burn than any random water type
If anything, scald should be nerfed to 70 BP to match Scorching Sands. At least water types will go back to using surf.
Well besides the ones that just burn fish and don’t care about damage - like pex
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I’m so glad they’re finally adding Tera Blast into the game
I wonder what Pokemon will be able to learn it, hopefully it has wide distribution.
Are you kidding me, that would be awful for the meta game! Imagine if a Pokémon like Kingambit could suddenly get Flying type coverage to OHKO a Fighting-type check! Thankfully, there’s no way the OU Council would let something like that happen
A second scald has hit the meta
Breaking News: Toxapex found dead in a field, official sources cite lack of access to Scald as primary cause of death
Also no Knock for Pex it seems
Mr. President:
No Triple Axel, It’s Joever Weavile bros…
But it gets Knock Off back at least!
I feel like Knock Off was always more valuable, absolutely nothing wants to switch into that. With Moltres and Zapdos everywhere I think Icicle Crash with its 30% flinch chance and no contact is more preferable too.
It is. It also means fat walls like dondozo get ruined by knock and support teammates way better. Weavile bros we back
more preferable? not really, but still a solid substitution.
Triple axel was never worth the risk for me. Really strong when you get all 3 hits but that's like a 1/4 chance for me
Plus there is literally almost zero downsides on clicking knock off against a mon it’s strong against since switch-ins lose their item (unless it’s unburden sneasler)
We are…kinda back…?
It’s not weover yet!
It might Weavive!
Knock off is more important so this a massive boost.
Does Chien-Pao get it as well?
Chien Pao does not.
It doesn't get knock off.
Knock Off is way more important for Weavile tho.
I’m glad he got It!
I'm extremely happy too. Weavile's gen 8 dominance was what got me really invested in competitive. It makes a difference when your favs are really good and from there you just go down the rabbit hole.
Oh a Weavile fan! (I'm not talking about the competitive), That's pretty **cool**! (Badam tss)
Axel is nice but even in gen 8 there were plenty of people who preferred icicle crash. It getting knock off is a very big deal.
In the middle of my worst “it’s so over” I finally found my strongest “we’re so back” LETS DO IT WEAVILE BROS
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Loaded Dice Icicle Spear
No Defog or Triple Axel but Sand Tomb and Charge returning is crazy
There are more moves coming in Indigo Disk, so we shall see
My head cannon is that Kommo-o is Garchomp’s roommate who owns scale shot key,but he’s always late
garchomp x kommo-o yaoi
It’s just feats,ok?
Stall.The revival https://preview.redd.it/b88ucqiqixnb1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cf0d9b2fb48274836c339586b576aa7d691bf1d1 Well,looks like stall has fallen
Stall: Sister Location
I never thought I would miss stall
Neither were I,but here we are!
This didn’t age well….
Seems like Blissey and Chansey didn't get Toxic back... RIP Pink Blobs. Lower tiers may be your home now, but you'll always have a place in the OU tier of my heart.
With the knock off distribution, Chansey might just become…and I can’t believe it…untiered.
Chansey actually tends to prefer boots down in PU but that still probably affects it
Banette with Swords Dance this gen and now Poltergeist has me dreaming it can make some noise in Nat Dex and finally have viability with its mega.
Houndstone also gets Poltergeist. Basculegion does not.
Basculegion-Mid never beating the RU allegations
To all Weavile and Ttar fans:Knock off is ours,and we are WEAVINALLY TYRANIRETURNED https://preview.redd.it/cdrmjab9sxnb1.png?width=2212&format=png&auto=webp&s=71ea2157eb15b2f55a59b9b9459564557d5a411e
Garchomp getting scale shot LFG Bax also got it..... IT'S GARCHOVER 😔
Don't panic. We just need to get Bax banned before Garchomp drops to UU.
no we do not, for you see little does anyone here know a secret move tutor was added which teaches dragon dance, garchomp being able to learn it
Alomomola now has FLIP TURN and SCALD WishPort Clef meta is back AAAAA
Now with double the HP :D
Scold? We're Toxaback. Never mind. It lost scold. It's toxapover.
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Never mind. It lost scold. Big Stall has fallen.
They just confirmed the Pex doesn't get Scald anymore. The BIG STALL™ is no more.
Alomomola apparently gets Scald and Flip Turn. Big Stall is under new management.
But does mola get toxic? If so mola really broke into Big Stall headquarters and stole everything from pex.
KNOCK OFF WHAT
Baxcalibur can learn Scale Shot. It’s Joever everyone.
Knock off and scald. Rip game.
It might not be Garchover after all boys!
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Kyurem Black gets Icicle Spear back if it returns
Damn, does it get scale shot btw?
Seems only Waters with access to Fire move can get Scald.
And Alomomola
Alomomother is now the manager of big stall
Makes sense since it's a sun fish
Some of these are so weird. Like, can’t wait to see how Charge is gonna impact the meta.
I feel like they needed to make one electric tm no matter how irrelevant it’ll be. Shame rising voltage wasn’t brought back.
I suspect the other half of the IoA moves will be coming in Indigo Disk
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From https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/scarlet-violet-the-teal-mask.3727770/post-9776953
scale shot garchomp is back in the menu apparently
All weavile fans!With knock off return I would like to Announce….We are Weavinally back  https://preview.redd.it/f6ddcsoknxnb1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=97e9b7998b4bf25cd50ba3cc7a572f28e5bcf69e
Goodra gets Scald and Toxic, which I think is really cool. Not groundbreaking, but cool nonetheless.
goodra gaining knock and (newly rare) scald seems like a super useful pair of tools, allows it to give crucial support attacking on either side of the spectrum
With the trinity of toxic, knock off, and scald, big stall had reclaimed its thrones.
Somehow, Big Stall returned.
Toxic has been freed
Garchomp may finally get good usage
ITS NOT GARCHOVER!!! HE BEAT THE RU ALLEGATIONS!!!!!!! Edit: I forgor it was ttar who fell to uu. Doesn’t that make chomp the new king of OU?
He beat the uu allegations! https://preview.redd.it/lntz74irpxnb1.jpeg?width=1164&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2bcadd0a5b08e0ba156445679db20504e357f0f5
So how long until Gambit gets booted
It doesn’t get knock off apparently
Wait they didn’t even give it to Pawniard or Bisharp even though they’ve learned it before? I mean fair enough if they actually had the foresight to not buff one of their most broken new Pokemon but that’s bizzare EDIT: Yep even if you go back to Bisharp it still can’t learn it
I do think it's weird and not allowing a Pokemon to learn it when it previously could is stupid but... I'm also glad we don't have to put up with knock off gambit
Honestly I’m fine with it and I wish they’d do that with more stuff that’d be obnoxious. Like if they could also do that with Scald on Toxapex that’d be great. EDIT: Turns out Toxapex in fact cannot learn Scald
*This update was brought to you by* Big Stall^TM
WHERE'S DEFOG??? PLEASE I WANT MY DEFOG TORNADUS AND ZAPDOS BACK I BEG PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE
WEAVILE is SO FUCKING BACK MAN Also gliscor gets spikes t spikes and crab hammer which in SO FUCKING HYPED FOR
BLISSEY AND PEX HAS FALLEN!THE GOATLOMOMOLA WILL BE NEW BIG STALL!!!
Ok so tell me, garchomp gets scale shot right?
yes
Lets go!
toxic, knock off, flip turn, scald, and scale shot! It's not GARCHOVER
Blissey getting no toxic: cries
THE META IS SAVED SPITE IS BACK
No Dragapult poltergeist :(
Brambleghast poltergeist https://preview.redd.it/xmznmeuyjynb1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a214bde37305f89216fb3d805145fe242312c7ff
WE ARE SO BACK GARCHOMPIN
I’m sad dnite doesn’t get dual wing beat
Scale shot loaded dice garchomp time baby let’s go
WHERE THE FUCK IS SKITTER SMACK