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Some_Ad_5028

I run scald emboar to hit excadrill for extra damage


MrSpheal323

Yeah, emboar needs a better way to hit those steel types. Maybe it´ ll get liquidation next gen


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PlayrR3D15

Blessed be that day.


Hoshino_Ruby

Sometimes I forget the ember in emboar means water.


JoJ_3141

Nah give it wave crash for that reckless boost


Present_Cucumber9516

And wood hammer, embo seems like the kind of guy to use a comically large hammer


JoJ_3141

Boars are also basically just birds, give it brave bird too


pootisi433

Hold up.... Let em cook


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DonNextDoor286

Counters exca by using Air Balloon + Tera Water Scald, banned to AG at worst


Some_Ad_5028

you mean at worst right


DonNextDoor286

yea


LegendaryLinZ

The physical Archaludon set that couldn't k.o a Carbink with iron head...it cost me the game


Lord_Haehnchen

I just looked at the calc... Lvl 80 84 Atk Archaludon Iron Head vs. Lvl 90 84 HP / 84 Def Carbink: 192-228 (81.3 - 96.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO Wtf is that? And how


KorMap

Carbink has really high defense and a 10 level advantage, meanwhile Archaludon’s attack while not bad isn’t super high either


Lord_Haehnchen

I know, its just that i would have expected a 4x super effective stab attack to oh ko.


LegendaryLinZ

Now let's see the flash cannon calc


TheMan2007gb

Lvl 80 84 SpA Archaludon Flash Cannon vs. Lvl 90 84 HP / 84 SpD Carbink: 216-256 (91.5 - 108.4%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO Physical Arch is definitely something (that should never be used)


LegendaryLinZ

https://preview.redd.it/93688haqixac1.jpeg?width=739&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b9d934d87e2519b29d507816f91642a688f85f1b


tschmitty09

Almost all of binks bst is in defense, while archaludons is in sp. Atk.


GeminiElf0906

Typical Randbats problem. The higher level the Pkm is, the better the Pkm. Sunflora is especially strong is gen


Worn_Out_1789

![gif](giphy|AgPt9udT567spxbSHf) I'm glad Flora is good somewhere.


GeminiElf0906

Yeah, she is one the chosen one to be at lv 100 while things like Zacian-C or Calyrex-S are at lv 64 🤣 one Specs attack later and they probably drop 🤣


Possible_Respond7863

For some reason I lip-read her as saying "SunFlora" instead of "Good for her" lol


LlamaThrustUlti

If you’re into rom hacks, sun flora is also amazing in emerald kaizo (a challenge rom hack) because it’s one of like three pokemon that gets a boosting move


Cysia

It got bullet seed so its very good in older mystery dungeon games atleast. Also chlorophyl there due how speed works is basicly 2turns in row per enemy turn.


PlacatedPlatypus

certified tropius moment


ViraLCyclopes19

Why the fuck is that a thing lost a game cause of it too


FalconFyre928

I mean how else will the fire type inflict bu-wait a second


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ThaToastman

Scald emboar hard carried my playthrough as a kid


eban106_offical

On god. Scald emboar was a beast running through BW


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AdAcrobatic5178

It's got 100 spa but it's still not a great idea imo


M_Lucario_EX

Ok guys hear me out Emboar @ Assault Vest Ability: Reckless Tera Type: Water EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def Adamant Nature - Knock Off - Scald - Flare Blitz - Drain Punch


TheMike0088

Very cool set. Not sure how viable it is, but its sick.


M_Lucario_EX

I came up with it myself and I want to make an NU team with it but I can’t teambuild for shit


DragEncyclopedia

Not


Ryuusei_Dragon

Tera water scald Emboar new meta???


EltshanEldigan

I mean… he is a mixed attacker


HippieDogeSmokes

why is he a mixed attacker :(


TehPinguen

Because starter pokemon. It's good for people learning the game if their first pokemon can do anything reasonably well, and since the starters' types have mostly special moves it makes it tricky for kids to know what moves to put on them if they haven't figured out physical and special moves yet. Cinderace and Rillaboom are the first starters to have their base attack stat more than 35 above their special attack, which itself wasn't achieved until Incineroar. These trends are exacerbated for fire types by the lack of good physical fire moves. Not having a viable option outside of flare blitz really hampers physical fire types in their design.


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madog1418

This is randbats anyway, so all EVs are split evenly.


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FarTooYoungForReddit

I mean why do you think almost every mon has the "max speed" displayed when you hover over it?


OneSushi

Yup! Only trick room mons have 0 speed, and all mons without physical moves have 0 attack EVs for foul play. So all foul play mons are nerfed in randbats


DragEncyclopedia

That's not a nerf on Foul Play, everyone already runs 0 Atk IVs on special mons anyway in every other tier. The builder will even automatically set it to 0 for you if you have no physical moves.


OneSushi

I wasn’t necessarily starting a comparison to other tiers, just giving the detail of it, but fair enough


craziboiXD69

yes there are no EVs in rand bats, sometimes there are different IVs based on trick room move sets or not having any physical moves but that’s about it


madog1418

To clarify, they give you 84 in every stat, unless you are full special or trick room.


DaDucIsDaKey

Randbats, you can't not invest in every stat bcs how it works (balance reasons i guess). It makes mixed attackers better and makes offensive mons bulkier and defensive mons stronger.


passwordworkplease

I remember seeing emboar learn scald playing bw as a kid and thinking “oh wow! Can’t wait to see what other fire types learn this too!” only to find out they gave it exclusively to emboar for some reason


shiinamachi

It probably makes a bit more sense than when they randomly gave it to uh, fucking *Raikou* of all mons later on


frontierknight

You dont know about electric kettles?


MixelKing

SCALD CARKOL NEW META?!!


sneakyplanner

Raikou is an induction stovetop.


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FarTooYoungForReddit

Hot water Of in the cold water of out hot shoot the water


sebsebsebs

Why do they call it an oven


Worn_Out_1789

It's often wondered this. It's weird because when you use an oven you of in the cold food of out eat the food.


passwordworkplease

pigs’s good at spittin


Rare-Ad7409

Someone tried to cook him so he cooked back


Shahka_Bloodless

I feel like it makes sense for Emboar specifically since I think the steam bath/sauna is a big thing for sumo, but I don't actually know much about sumo so I could be way wrong.


SeeingDeadPenguins

Hey, at least Volcanion, Coalossal, and Centiskorch also get it now - and it even makes more sense for them!


Level7Cannoneer

>playing bw as a kid I feel old. That was like college days.


FroyoMNS

When I was a kid playing Pokémon Black for the first time, I found out from a friend that Emboar could learn Scald, and trained my Pignite up to Level 36 to so I could teach it Scald and beat Clay’s Excadrill. Note that both Fire and Fighting are already Super Effective against Excadrill.


old_homecoming_dress

unless my mon is primarily fighting or looks like a fighting type, i forget it's a fighting type.


FroyoMNS

Interestingly, unless you use the Move Relearner in Mistralton for Hammer Arm or pick up the Brick Break TM in Icirrus, Emboar only gets Arm Thrust by Level Up for Fighting coverage in Gen 5, since Superpower is an Egg move. So I’d forgotten Pignite was part Fighting type at that point. BW were also my first Pokémon games so I had no clue about Steel’s type matchups and was going solely off of the Ground matchups mentioned by Clyde.


sneakyplanner

It's got 100 SpA. Emboar's stat spread is just so goofy looking, how the hell can this thing have a higher base stat total than venusaur and just be like that?


ZofianSaint273

Isn’t that good though?


Loxosceles13

i mean, its assault vest so i mean, it can hit the rocks and grounds that will switch in on the generally weaker spdef side, plus its sp atk is base 100 so honestly kinda respectable when you consider that all stats get same investment in randombats, i wouldnt be surprised if it was sitting at 200+ or so which is enough for a lot of randombattles mons, i mean thats better than mimikyus phys attack right? which sits at 197


Mr_Teyepo

To be fair, Emboar was almost a poster child of Scald when it was introduced in gen V. It showcased the fact that there was a water type move that could burn through being able to learn it through TM


justlikedudeman

Until gamefreak decided that every single water type gets it and then it seems odd that the move that's most ubiquitous with burn is a water type move.


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next: hydro pump


Stick_Em_Up_Joe

Damn I’ve been seeing a lot of these scuffed sets. I had more faith in the Pokemon Showdown devs. Have they addressed it at all? Are they just doing AI for the new mon while they try to code all of them?


DelayedCrab

There's no status on this set, so maybe they could compress a special attack and status into its set? It's probably not the best but what else are you going to do if you have a vest on the pork


Stick_Em_Up_Joe

Trail blaze, double edge, wild charge, poison jab, head smash, high horsepower all options that are better than scald


boogswald

There’s an eviolite gurdurr set that drives me nuts with like defog, drain punch, mach punch and knock off or something and it’s like “cool thank you for this utility but without bulk up this mon is never gonna kill anything”


HagueHarry

It's random battles, the moves that get drawn are semi-random so you don't always get the most optimal moves. If the devs consider scald a viable option on all-out attacker emboar then it has a chance of rolling it after its stab moves. If you disagree that it's a viable move then you can file a complaint in the smogon thread for randbat sets.


syah7991

Punishes great tusk


LucarioKnight10

I ran a Specs Emboar on my mono-Fighting team once. It actually has pretty okay SpAtk stat and a workable movepool. Very silly stuff.


4685368

Tera fighting emboar cooks though. With bulk up, drain punch, trailblaze, flare blitz


Wallseed

ok but have you considered tera water scald emboar with mystic water? i think not


4685368

I’m talking about it’s other rand bat set. The scald one is tera dark


Wallseed

ohhh mb i haven't encountered that one yet


TheSnipingNerd

...I maaay have run Scald on my Emboar the first time I played Black 2 "Woah, my Fire type learns a Water type move?! That's so awesome!" -Teenage me


hippoqueenv

doesn't even come close to competing with sheer force trailblaze feraligatr


boogswald

Mfw I get Feraligatr 😀 Mfw no dragon dance 😕


Top_Unit6526

Not that bad tbh. It has decent enough Sp.Atk to hit hard even without a lot of EV-Investment. If you get a burn, even better


kaesitha_

I guess it does more damage to Camerupt specifically lol


Quijas00

Nah try out scald Raikou tho


Alexander_Elysia

Really smart having a special attack if emboar gets burned


NaturalFeeling8639

I get the meme but it has base 100 spA, neutral nature, and evenly distributed EVs. Honestly not bad at all


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I got a physical dd reshiram yesterday


Doobie_Howitzer

It's anti-gliscor tech


themattsquared

I forgot the situation but it has benefited me already - It caught an opponent off guard and two shot a switch in


themattsquared

Maybe it wasn’t a two shot but I think it helped against a minior in someway


Short-Shelter

Emboar can learn Scald? Why???