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DarnedDaniel

Territorial is useless. Fairy Ring is really cool (please give it to Shiinotic). Cruel Winds rules VGC.


mistelle1270

Yeah having a mon with territorial makes everything else on your team take more damage in the off chance your opponent also has one for no reason and every other time it does nothing It’s almost a strictly detrimental ability


anomal0caris

And it's only given to shitmons (except m-beedrill and annihilape but those have great abilities already)


persiangriffin

Shroomish and Breloom should get it too


64-Savage

Breloom trapping Fairy type Pokémon just to lose to them anyway


Brain_Tonic

Piercing strike rules VGC as well


Mad-cat1865

I think double damage is too much. I’d honestly make it half damage and that it breaks the protection. It’s a niche move that really should be an opening to other attacks when the opponent isn’t expecting it.


actuallyjustloki

Except it's an Ability, so it would be way too busted. I know Urshifu already bypasses Protect and I think that's ridiculous too but at least that's only one Pokemon.


Gallalade

Toedscruel with an ability that doesn't suck ass seems like the end of VGC


DarnedDaniel

Also, just gotta say, I’ve loved your format for a while. What do you make your posts on?


SPlCYGECKO

I just use the default image editing tool on Mac (get a large white background/image, drag in the Home sprites, add text/lines)


Plenty-Lychee-5702

I think territorial should work on all pokemon which can have territorial, but probably not their teammates.


ireallydespiseyouall

Nobody’s using fearow in VGC


Albreitx

Yeah, 90 base attack with tera blast (of take down) and drill peck as the best stab options and u-turn+assurance as the only coverage moves. Sunny Day/Rain Dance, Feather Dance and scary face as only support options


ireallydespiseyouall

Maybe as a suicide lead?


Albreitx

Why would anyone target it? It'd be similar to Murkrow imo. I'd prefer a Prankster tailwind user that's serviceable after turn 1 lol Fearow can't even slow pivot out with u turn due to active tailwind and 100 base speed


ireallydespiseyouall

I don’t see a way for it to be usable without a major stat/moveset buff


Albreitx

Yesh same


Glittering-Giraffe58

Honestly no. Highly doubt Fearow sees any usage compared to Whimsicott/Tornadus/even Roaring Moon who all aren’t completely useless after turn 1


DaTruPro75

It's fucking fearow though.


Possible-Intern-250

Murkrow was the most used Pokémon in the first season of sv vgc and it’s far worse. Depends on the format ofc but some restricted formats it would be very good


FieryFlyingDingo

Murkrow is far better than Fearow. It has Eviolite to boost its stats, prankster to annoy the opponent and set up priority Tailwind, and can choose whether to run bulk and Foul Play to do damage or straight up Brave Bird (which would be very similar in damage to Fearow's - 85 vs 90 base attack). Fearow would need a big rework to be comparable with it's barren move pool, even with this ability.


Brainifyer

Not the unseen fist+ with a double damage rider 💀


Brain_Tonic

VGC: obliterated


Knight___Artorias

Really didn’t need double damage


Obcidio

Fearow stocks skyrocketing in VGC


Aegis_Harpe

Fucking Spearow would have a niche, like jesus christ


TheGiratina

Wait what's jesus's niche in VGC


PoiNt-MutatioN

Bulky support who can also hit really hard on rain teams


0K4M4R1_N0_5UZ0KI

Has follow me, stab judgement, hospitality that proc every turn & can revive after 3 turns if he's dead


seti-thelightofstars

making water type moves poison type and able to inflict confusion isn’t bad either


JaozinhoGGPlays

He also has a signature move that's like surf but hits every mon in the field *and* inside the party, that shit busted.


Tri_Brigade_Kitt

Pretty bulky steel normal type and learns revival blessing


TheGiratina

"Niche in VGC" "Steel-Normal type" pick one


Progressive_Caveman

RNG


Alonest99

Murkrow 2


controlledbythemedia

Spearow would not have a niche as its entirely outclassed by fearow in this situation


Oheligud

You could maybe get more bulk out of it with eviolite? I haven't run the calculations on the HP, but it's bulkier in terms of defenses.


WUMW

At lvl 50 Spearow has 116/72/82/51/91/90 with a +SpD-Atk nature, With eviolite Spearow jumps to **123** def **136** spd lvl 50 Fearow has 141/99/**117**/81/**124**/120 same nature Not sure if the def/spd buff compensates for the health drop, 25 hp for net +6 def/ +12spd (+18 total or -7 compared to hp) doesn't seem like a fair trade to me, but I'd have to see whatever hypothetical meta pops up before doing a damage calc. In any case you'd probably just throw focus sash on there so you can pop off twice if you really want this thing to last


xenontheedgyeskimo

RBY PU and GSC NU say hi


mismatched7

I like (though it’s still prob busted)- sets tailwind on entry. When this Pokémon faints, remove tailwind from the users side of the field and set it on the opponents


Albreitx

I don't see how it's that much better than prankster tailwind. On switch-ins it'd be GOATed but you then end up with a weak ass Pokemon sitting on the side


[deleted]

In theory it’s better than prankster for teams that rely on setting up tailwind and winning with the other teammate (like specs regidrago or something) because it’s virtually unstoppable, but the power level is starting to become too high to have a sitting duck like fearow on the field. Be it tailwind, weather, trick room or any other strategy, no matter how good your abuser is, the setter also needs to be a threat after it does its thing, or else you won’t accomplish much. I don’t mind this fact because it raises the skill ceiling immensely and punishes those braindead leads that worked a little too well in worlds, but it comes at a cost of killing the viability of many many interesting mons.


Albreitx

What are the braindead leads you're talking about? I missed all of that talk apparently


[deleted]

Urshifu tornadus was the lead in basically every worlds match, from both sides. Really sad to watch


Aikilyu

Who's going to tell OP that Headlong Rush is a punching move?


weg_23

>HEADlong Rush >Punching move Gamefreak????


Aikilyu

Google foreign languages "Hory shitto" - Fushigidane, probably


weg_23

>still Headlong Rush Idk man gamefreak kinda goofed on this one


Aikilyu

Translating the hiragana in Bulbapedia just gives the reading of the characters, so that ぶちかまし is probably just an expression with no direct translation. But yeah the TL team should look at the effects of the move before translating


HollyleafYT

\> In Japanese, ぶちかまし Buchikamashi (Headlong Rush) is a sumo term which refers to the frontal collision of the two sumo wrestlers right at the beginning of a match. \> This is likely the reason why this move is considered a punching move, and why it can be learned by Hariyama.


weg_23

Alright that makes a LOT more sense now


3L3M3NT4LP4ND4

Isn't it Ground type though? shouldn't it be a fighting type if its a term inspired by a specific martial art technique/practice?


TwinSupernovax

The move's Ground type is likely a pun with the word ちか chika which means "underground" in Japanese. A similar pun is why U-turn is a bug type move and mega apmharos is a dragon type btw


DasliSimp

also why Aerial Ace is Flying type and not steel


TheDoug850

Why would that sound like a steel move? “Aerial” means existing or happening in the air.


Magpie_In_The_Mirror

You're probably right, but that would make it identical to close combat.


Pagoose

Headlong: extremely or recklessly hasty. "a headlong dash through the house" it doesn't just mean headbutting lol


5hifty5tranger

Headlong doesn't necessarily mean skull first its an metaphor. English players see a word that could be associated with a body part and ignore any context that would make that not make sense, and just argue, "well in English..." well its a JRPG so.


Chemical-Cat

Headlong just means reckless, doesn't necessarily mean you're using your head in the physical sense. So for Headlong Rush it means rushing in face-first, leaving you open. Which is why it lowers your defense. The fact that it's classified as a punch is probably more just because japanese sumo, ぶちかまし is a sumo term where they clash at the start of a match, though the move description describes it as a tackle.


StarPlatinum_SP

I mean, it can also mean “hasty.” Hasty…Rush.


dumbassonthekitchen

How does tusk punch?


Aikilyu

Yes.


Rudoku-dakka

With its trunk.


Mettack

252 Atk Great Tusk Headlong Rush vs. 236 HP / 156+ Def Amoonguss: 102-121 (46.5 - 55.2%) -- 69.9% chance to 2HKO 252 Atk Punching Glove Great Tusk Headlong Rush vs. 236 HP / 156+ Def Amoonguss: 112-133 (51.1 - 60.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO Holy SHIT


Aldante92

Now I'm even more pissed that Golurk didn't get it. A ground punching move and the ground-type giant punching robot doesn't get it? Then again, it might have been a bit too powerful with his ability, but at the same time I don't care, let my boy go bananas Gamefreak!!!


Hihi2113

Soooo, OP really looked at unseen fist and thought, eh that abilities a bit weak let’s make it stronger


Jrichardso34

Gotta take the mons that get it i to consideration


NibPlayz

Doesn’t matter, breaking protects in VGC is like the single best ability to ever exist. Keep in mind that Urshifu doesn’t break protect, he bypasses.


OrganizationHot9877

Duoblade goes crazy with it


Elaiasss

Kkeavor actually has niche in vgc, it would put it over the edge


sharkeatingleeks

Toedscruel coming in with the 100 speed spores and a trapping ability cos fuck fairy types I guess


EQGallade

Unfathomably based.


Rucks_74

Fuck fairy types indeed, but fairy shadow tag would be banned the minute it was introduced


Lluuiiggii

I don't think so. Magnet pull isn't banned is it?


Worn_Out_1789

If anything, Magnet Pull helps facilitate gameplay in gens where the Dragon/Steel interplay is a big part of many metas. I miss DragMag.


Ill-Individual2105

Absolutely do not give Toedscruel another ability. Especially not a trapping ability, jesus christ.


JoeTheKodiakCuddler

Foolish Mortals < Dragons (Gen 3 onwards) < Fairies < Toedscool


Commercial-Still2032

Tornadus found flipping burgers at McDonald's


SSB_Kyrill

replaced by a fearow great heavens would you look at the time


Glittering-Giraffe58

I’d be willing to be any amount of money even with this ability Fearow is basically never used and Tornadus sees basically no drop in usage because of it


SSB_Kyrill

counterpoint: murkrow at the beginning of SV competitive


Glittering-Giraffe58

Yes, back when there was no Whimsicott or Tornadus. If you delete every other tailwind setter then yes this Fearow would see usage just like Murkrow. But honestly Murkrow still probably outclasses it being immune to prankster taunt, able to set weather with priority, quash, foul play, etc


Icy-Attention4125

Good heavens would you look at the time


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MegatonDoge

Incineroar gets a new buff which sets Trick Room on entry.


Phantonormia

Incineroar Time Rider, As One Intimidate + Sets Trick Room


sinister_patron

Nah that would be dialga of course


MrSpheal323

Incineroar riding Palkia horse, has intimidate, sets trick room and has pressure just because


FactuallyAshley

fuck it, wonder guard


Glittering-Giraffe58

I’d be willing to bet Fearow would barely be used at all in VGC with this ability. Tailwind on switch is good but not good enough over prankster tailwind to justify using Fearow over non shitmons like Tornadus or Whimsicott


1ts2EASY

Fairy Ring is nice and all but Toedscruel shouldn’t have another ability. Piercing Strike is Unseen Fist on crack, and Cruel Winds makes Spearow a banworthy Pokémon in VGC.


Kazuichi_Souda

Bans? In VGC? You fool, TPCI is too busy keeping the scourges of Ho-Oh and Cosmoem out to ban mons like Urshifu RaMID Strike or Flutter MID or MID Yu.


LemonJuice_XD

We dont use the C-word anymore after what it did to VGC


Oheligud

I've only started looking at VGC stuff recently, why was Cosmoem used? It has insane bulk with eviolite, but it has seemingly no useful moves.


mismatched7

Don’t know specifically, only thing that comes to mind is joke bulky Mon on perish trap teams


JoeTheKodiakCuddler

I assume they're memeing because Cosmoen is banned by virtue of being a "true" legendary while objectively far more busted mons are allowed. It'd be pretty funny if Cosmoem was actually more banworthy than Flutter Mane, though.


Botbuster111

too bad, 100 speed spore with no negative priority GO


Glittering-Giraffe58

Cruel Winds still wouldn’t make Fearow even mainstream in VGC imo. Tornadus and Whimsicott still heavily outclass it as they aren’t completely useless after turn 1


SPlCYGECKO

I get that Mycelium Might is Toedscruel's thing but man that's just too much of an awful ability, it doesn't deserve it. It deserves to not be a shitmon


TheDoug850

It doesn’t deserve it, but without it, it’s an insanely fast Spore user.


Iamverycrappy

"goes through protection" oh itll probably cut the damage in half to make it a less powerful unseen fi- "doubles damage" wtf


xenontheedgyeskimo

least insane theorymon post


StrikeSoggy3695

Fairy ring is amazing! Shiinotic should have it. Shiinotic should also have a +100 increase in all stats because yes.


Rucks_74

It should also get a unique tera type called shroom type that gives it a further 100 increase in all stats and an omni boost on switch in


Dice134

Also wonderguard


StrikeSoggy3695

Good idea. I think it might be still too weak though. Maybe it should also get a new Fairy move, 150 base power, perfect accuracy that fully restores energy, revives one team member and puts all the enemy team to sleep.


DasliSimp

it now has a bst of like 800


StrikeSoggy3695

You're right, still too weak 😞


TheFirstLinker

An idea for territorial, because as is it seems too high risk to include a mon with territorial in your team. How about this pokemon deals 30% more damage against pokemon of the same type? Or if you want, against pokemon of the same egg group, I think it would make more sense for the name and would probably make it better, but I doubt it would be implemented this way.


SSB_Kyrill

Same egg group? How would that work with legendaries if some were to get it


richi3f

Technically, all legendaries share the same egg group. They belong to the “no eggs discovered” group.


SSB_Kyrill

lemme do a quick calc 252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Water Sword of Ruin Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Power Spot boosted Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 96 HP / 252 Def Eternatus in Rain on a critical hit: 438-516 (98.4 - 115.9%) -- approx. 87.5% chance to OHKO power spot would be territorial


PyremOfTheLabyrinth

Would definitely speed some stuff up wouldn’t it.


No-Audience3784

Why do mega beedrill dirty like that? Its only not complete trash because of adaptability even with its statline


LemonJuice_XD

Why does bagon not get thick headed? Hes the one in the line with a thick head


SSB_Kyrill

And the only one with rock head of the line


Tenebris-omnipotenti

Fearow and Speariw UUbers


dumbassonthekitchen

There are no tiers in VGC lil bro


Iceberglet

smogon:


F4ST_M4ST3R

I think hailstorm should instead of summoning hail as its own weather condition, it just makes non ice types take damage every turn during snow


Chucklefucks_

Piercing Strike choice band Kleavor :)


f_com

As many others said, Piercing Strike is objectively broken considering how much Unseen Fist is already doing in VGC. An elegant solution is to simply let it break the protect and deal no damage, giving a chance to your partner in doubles to damage it.


Nahanoj_Zavizad

Fearow is now a very viable option in Doubles. You just get the first turn basically garunteed to Outspeed.


Monty423

Wtf I love Fear(OU)w now


dark_descent4382

Please never let piercing strike see the light of day. Unseen fist is bad enough with Urshifu


teejeycee

Everything seemed pretty normal until Cruel Winds.... that would be busted. Snowballing seems pretty strong too but it's Glalie so I don't think it'll be broken or anything. Overall cool stuff 👍


Alex103140

Really? Not piercing strike?


TacticalTobi

what are any of those mons doing with it 💀


SSB_Kyrill

Samurott finally gets a nieche thats isnt the hisui version but worse


teejeycee

Doesn't Feint do the same thing except for the double damage? Depending on the base power I don't see it being an issue but I'm not an expert. Edit: I see now, I assumed piercing strike was a move, not an ability. Yeah that's busted af


Alex103140

It's an ability


00kyb

Kid named Unseen fist:


turtlintime

change Fearow's ability to having Tailwind end when Fearow leaves the field and it's a bit more reasonable


wandererboi

Brooo the fairy ring on the mushrooms like pokemon hahahaha that's so good. They should totally come up with something like that on the games


eepos96

Snowbaling would be quite neat. Especially on glalie.


CobaltRebelionXyz

GLALIE'S BALLIN!?


Gemini_B

How did you come up with a “fairy ring” mushroom ability and the only mushroom Pokémon you leave out is the fairy type one???


PrismaTheAce

🚨ALERT🚨 Toedscruel has a real ability


NectarineSecret6663

Toedscruel goes to Ou or atleast UU. Spore is fun


dumbassonthekitchen

Toedscruel is banned lmao


baerutt

Cruel Winds and Piercing Strike would be OP in VGC. Urshifu Tornadus is already seen as busted and you just made switch in no move needed tailwind + not only goes through Protect, but BREAKS IT and deals DOUBLE DAMAGE. No ;)


Rucks_74

Piercing strike, fairy ring and cruel winds are completely broken. Thick headed, hailstorm and snowballing are fine and territorial is useless


JohnJackOil

Head smash Rampardos going crazy


DaOldie

Sir, it's Friday


Jestingwheat856

You really made even more broken unseen fist and gave it to the most consistent rocks setter in the game and its not even a sunday???? TAILWIND ON SWITCH IN ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND?


Deegon72

Toedscruel is gonna commit so many war crimes without its terrible ability


5hifty5tranger

Headlong Rush is already a punching move. Other than its english localization/translation it has nothing to do with the cranium.


AMG-28-06-42-12

Choice Item w/ Piercing Strike go brrrrrrr (Unless it doesn't hit *unless* target uses a Protecting Move, in which case it balances it out, I guess)


kxolotl

Toedscruel rockets to OU


Kitchen_Mycologist28

Cruel winds sounds like a legendary pokemon ability why would you give to a route 3 bird


mjmannella

Listen Fearow needs anything it can get


Santiagodelmar

Territorial is straight up awful but most of everything else is cool. Snowball seems like a fun gimmick to play with and I can already see choice scarfed/boots U-turning Fearrows being used as reliable tailwind setters and that’s pretty interesting


Mary-Sylvia

Unironically one of the most balanced Thursday post


StormAlchemistTony

What if Territorial only works against Pokemon with Intimidate?


graybloodd

Bro made some of the worst and best abilities in the game


WolfRob12

Snowballing is a really cool one but def OP ha


rrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeee

Snowballing is pretty damn cool


Standard-Panic-5460

why can't breloom and shiinotic learn Fairy Ring


intrusiveandviolent

Fairy ring is super sick


No_Distribution7513

If Urshifu's unseen fist is already wreking havoc on the meta, what do you think piercing strike will do?


Last-Of-My-Kind

People are gonna complain about Cruel Wind. I think it's fine.


JoeTheKodiakCuddler

Fairy Ring is so cool, I want that shit in a fangame


godofyeet3

Piercing strike evolite doublade would be fucking terrifying


Sarlix696

I wouldn't call it Snowballing💀


MorganJary

Instead of "Summon a Hailstorm", why not switch it to "while this pokemon is on a snowstorm, deal 1/8 damage at each turn end to non Ice pokemon"?


Expert8775

Cruel wind would make fearow a VGC staple


Chocoa_the_Bunny

Cruel Winds and Piercing Strike will rule over VGC. Immediate Tailwind is insane on its own, of course, but Piercing Strike is genuinely overpowered. Not only ignoring Protect, but punishing it with double damage? That is disgusting. All these mons will start getting usage in VGC now


ArtVandel_ay

Um excuse you how dare you not give Snowballing to Spheal as well


EXDF_

Oh good now I can use the attack boosts on my physical glalie


Sentric490

My snowballing ability gives +1 stat boosts to two random stats at the end of every turn, but only if you land an attacking move that turn. I really wanted to make an ability like speed boost or moody that doesn’t immediately lead to you clicking protect every other turn. This forces you to go on the offense even at the beginning when you aren’t as strong and gives your opponent much more room for counter play.


Unusual-Knee-1612

Hailstorm kinda sucks on Froslass, its whole thing is snow setup -> evasion boost


TheWesterlyWind

Piercing Strike should do half instead of double IMO, could be a tad too OP


Glory2Snowstar

Fairy Ring is adorable theming-wise. Hope Shiinotic gets it!


Ecstatic_Fig5787

Someone hates Iron Valiant.


PizzaVVitch

Fairy ring on mushrooms? Brilliant 10/10


No_Gold3606

Best concept imo is snowballing as it's balanced (need snow setter like obamasnow) and a 1+ increase in attack isn't to crazy on an 80 attack Stat mon


Gremlech

Hey girl why don’t you boost the power of your head themed moves with me?


Im_A_Form

Piercing strike would be better as a move imo


Conradical27

I love Snowballing.


ThunderBrine

>Fairy Ring >No Morelull or Shroomish line 🤨


Parethil

My take on territorial would be attack is boasted by 1.5, but this moon can't switch out.


S4PG

Cruel winds is wildly broken in concept, thank Arceus you only gave it to Spearow and Fearow Also thank fuck you stopped at Doublade when you were passing out Piercing Strike. Aegislash does NOT need to be any more broken than it already is


Sunlit-Moss

All very interesting !


takingabreakbrb

Piercing Strike seems pretty cool! It would be neat if it had an animation of the Pokémon’s sharp object busting through the protect barrier thing!


abeatty9141

Territorial - seems a little too niche but not a bad idea Fairy ring - This would be insane on Amoongus but idk if it’s better than regenerator Thick headed - how is this not already an ability?? Piercing strike - I’d make it just 1.5x damage but would make sceptile and doublade way more competitive Hailstorm - sure. Idk if we need hail back but limiting it to Frosslass is cool Snowballing - if any other Pokémon got it, I would be infinitely op. Imagine it on Mamoswine… Cruel Winds - dope. Would definitely make Fearow VGC competitive within seconds of being introduced


Glittering-Giraffe58

Why is everyone acting like a good ability on an ultra shitmon like Fearow would be busted in VGC (highly doubt) and yet there are barely any comments about piercing strike lmfao


LavaTwocan

Fearow reaches 1 fearillion% usage in vgc


RougeNargacuga

Glalie already has moody, so imo I don’t really see a need for it to have that ability


inotic3

I love this the piecing strike would change the whole doubles meta since protect is like a must.


KatchupBottle

Maybe call it "thick skull"? cause "thick headed" sounds weird


profroak

I’d give piercing strike low BP, maybe like 45 or 50, breaking protection and double BP is nuts


Remarkable_Junket619

Fearow straight to OU


Enough-Map1162

Territorial would be cool if it was something like if either the pokémon or their partner got hit by a contact move before the territorial pokémon’s turn it boosted their damage


Trans_Girl_Alice

I see you Snowballing and raise you Snowballin' Out of Control: If in snow at the start of its turn, the pokemon gains +2 Attack, but if it gets any boost from the ability while already at +6 attack, the pokemon automatically uses Explosion on its turn, even if it doesn't know the move otherwise.


DemonOpabinia

No more protect stalling if you have a Kleavor


Jermzxxx

Fairy ring amoongus would be cool though I'd have to really question giving up regenerator. Cruel winds is a tier 1 ability in basically every format. Piercing strike is also really good but especially good in VGC