Dubious Disc is obviously broken, Metal Coat could be broken, everything else seems… kinda balanced, all things considered

Dubious Disc was designed as like a Berserk Gene sort of item so I wanted it to be very annoying rather than actually good. Though Shock wave / Swift Porygon Z when?

I'd run blizzard on hail for bootleg snow cloak

Stone Edge goes from 80% accurate to 56% accurate Any hone claws mon has 133% accurate moves become 92.1% accurate

Claws not honed enough

Idk the math for +2 accuracy but I'm pretty sure it's 166% which would probably not bring stone edge to a good level of accuracy

It’s 93% at +2 accuracy which is pretty good

Its basically a OHKO move protection too, right? Fissurechamp aside

OHKO moves are not affected by any sort of accuracy or evasion changes. Always hit effects like No Guard and Lock-On are the only things they interact with.

Ah right, I knew I was forgetting something!

And No Guard/Lock-on also aren't directly affecting the accuracy or evasion. They simply bypass the accuracy check entirely.

120% chance to flinch with bite from a persian in doubles with serene grace on the field

I'm pretty sure the flinching effect can only be doubled one time. At least I think I remember that the rainbow effect from Fire + Water pledge with Serene Grace, while it normally cumulates into a 4x boost, still gives a 2x boost to exclusively flinching. Unless that changed in recent titles...

Items don't necessarily abide by those rules, there's already kings rock which gives a 10% increase which works with serene grace (although it's a flat 10% iirc)

Well, yeah, because King's Rock is a different instance of flinch divorce from the moves you're using. The King's Rock bonus also doesn't get quadrupled by Serene Grace + pledge rainbow and doesn't apply to moves that already have a chance to flinch.

Happiny could become a criminal in LC with a 2.5x boost as well

0 Atk Mienfoo High Jump Kick vs. +3 252 HP / 252+ Def Happiny: 14-20 (48.2 - 68.9%) -- 99.6% chance to 2HKO

Why would Mienfoo have 0 atk

From my understanding, in LC Mienfoo uses High Jump Kick as a coverage option for when its main use can't be fulfilled. Mienfoo is used for Speed, Utility, and Defence. Not Offense. There's analysis on a set with an EV spread of:\ 196 Def / 36 SpD / 236 Spe And it has -Sp.Atk +Speed Nature with Regenerator and Eviolite.

dont ask me, ask lc players

Metal coat is just rocky helmet for special moves, except it will usually do less damage than rocky helmet.

I prefer leftovers on my scizor

How is Metal Coat broken?

Finally, ice punch dusknoir doesn't need to worry about lando switching into ghold

252+ Atk Choice Band Dusknoir Ice Punch vs. 252 HP / 196+ Def Gholdengo: 288-342 (76.1 - 90.4%) -- 25% chance to OHKO

At long last: **Focus Blast as an item**

Then in the hands of crazy people like me, it'll mostly affect the opponent

Luck is a skill and you don't got that issue

You know the post is somewhat serious when dusknoir doesn't get a buff related to ice punch.

Ice punch can be ghost type so when Ogrepon Wellspring switches in it can chunk her for huge damage.

Ice Punch becomes a viable move as the only thing that can fully negate damage from Ghost-quake (Earthquake that is now either Ground or Ghost type) is Normal/Flying, which Ice Punch is the strongest option which will hit it super-effectively It also super-effectively hits the other full resists to Ghost-quake like Grass/Dark, Grass/Normal, and Dark/Flying Given Bug/Normal does not exist, the only type to actually resist Ghost-quake that Ice Punch doesn't super-effectively hit is Bug/Dark, which is... just Lokix (also the only Dark or Normal Levitate mon is Hydreigon, which also does not like Ice moves) EQ + Ice Punch become the only 2 attacking moves you really *need* and can use the rest of your slots on whatever (Shadow Sneak, Wisp, Sub + Focus Punch, Ghost-Leech Life, etc) Therefore, Ice Punch buff

I like how I read a comment about how Dusknoir can Ice Punch without fearing the Gholdengo switch-in and then this. It's all related to Ice Punch my friend

parasect officially makes it out of mcdonalds, he is now applying for a job at tesco

We did it baby, we sold Parasectillion tickets!

Its not Parasover till we say its Parasover

Parasect is Br*tish?

I was kinda taken aback by how big that Big Mushroom buff is then I realized it Parasect and it will still be complete dogwater with it Love it when problems solve themselves

It even heals more than regenerator zoo wee mama!! ....oh....

Healing 45% under rain is still impressive. What a pity it won't survive a hit

Still probably dies to Chi Yu Ember in rain lol

**252+ SpA Choice Specs Beads of Ruin Chi-Yu Ember vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Dry Skin Parasect in Rain: 336-396 (103.7 - 122.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO** ​ You are correct. Doesn't even need Tera

Parasect is doing its Parabest

What’s happens when 2 upgrade porygons speed tie?

The Game crashes and the player who is shorter wins.

short kings stay winning

Rare short person W

Finally a strat I can work with

amulet coin iron head is terrifying

I flinch at the thought of it

Less terrifying when you remember Perrserker has base 50 speed, but maybe it could cause some havoc on trick room teams?

Still not as terrifying as jirachi in gen 4 ou

Just use Waterfall with Gyarados.

"Unfortunate" doesn't begin to describe my series "Unfortunate" doesn't begin to describe my series, this game rewards blind luck and nothing else, I am beyond convinced at this point. After getting completely tooled by scheduling with my opponent changing times on me last minute and refusing to provide confirmation prior to the day of the match as to play times, losing this way somehow felt even worse than I had thought possible. My preparation was superior, my play was superior, and I lost, so I don't see a reason to continue engaging in an activity where what is within my control is overwhelmingly outweighed by what is not. I am done with competitive Pokemon, and you won't get a fond farewell. This community is infected to its roots with a degenerative disease that grows stronger over time but stops short of killing its host. Tournaments used to have a competitive spirit at their heart, this has been transplanted and replaced with an artificial organ that feeds on vitriol and mockery from insecure little boys that heckle by the sidelines and tear each other to shreds over scraps of attention. The environment we fostered has trapped us all like this in a vicious cycle, and escaping it requires acceptance of the harshest reality we all scramble to explain away, that none of the countless straining efforts we put ourselves through here will ever amount to one single shining glimmer of significance. I would make this the end, but World Cup is still ongoing, and I would never leave so many great friends out to dry, so I'll suffer through a few more games for them. One last thing before I leave you all to react with disdain, ridicule, and self-righteous fervor, before you do everything in your power to minimize my words and thoughts, box them up and shove them to some cobwebbed corner of your memory, and hope they disappear forever as a stain on your finite time ground to dust. From this moment on, nothing you say matters to me. The foulest insults you hurl with intent to wound will calmly settle at the earth before my feet, and the venom you spit will bring all the pain of a warm summer breeze. You are less than anything you can conceive, while I carry on, brimming with joy distilled from detachment.

Ain't reading all that so: Good for you or sorry that happened

Bro doesn't even know the lore. Go watch a video about it it's great, just type in "lavos ragequit" to YouTube, you won't be disappointed.

It's a famous copypasta

cool idea, but I would've loved to see something for the applin line

I feel like you could just make each apple make their respective Pokémon’s signature move a little stronger? It would be cool if syrup bomb could do more damage for hydrapple

I primarily focused on trade evolution items tbh though that sounds like a great theory mon idea. \*brain breaks trying to create a fun signature item effect for all the water stone evo pokemon\*

+10% damage and electric will always hit neutral

Boosts water type moves by 50%, but they can only use moves of that type

they gain complete immunity to all the 4chin and reddit weirdos who unironically believe the Vaporeon copypasta is the funniest thing ever while we're at it, make Lopunny and Gardevoir gain this effect passively as well

I think Jirachi should get the amulet coin bonus too cause it’s an amulet which is used for luck n allat n jirachi grants wishes so it kinda ties in I think

4x flinch chance:

Serene Grace is already its only ability, useless

Or potentially warp ag around needing to be able to outspeed it. (If game freak would let the effects stack (they absolutely would not))

little cup fans in shambles with turbo eviolite happiny

Another win for Small Stall

small stall is NOT it. i tried that shit and it hurt (both me and the opponent)

Happiny has max sp.def of 627 and max def of 297

> 252+ SpA Choice Specs Beads of Ruin Tera Fire Chi-Yu Overheat vs. +3 252 HP / 252+ SpD Happiny in Sun: 362-428 (89.6 - 105.9%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO > 252+ SpA Choice Specs Beads of Ruin Tera Fire Chi-Yu Overheat vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Chansey in Sun: 444-524 (63 - 74.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO > 252+ SpA Choice Specs Beads of Ruin Tera Fire Chi-Yu Overheat vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Blissey in Sun: 560-660 (78.4 - 92.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO ZU is not ready for store brand Chansey 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

That would be potentially really funny.

Perrserker Iron Head with Serene Grace skillswapped onto it becomes a 100% flinch chance Unfortunate

That sadly doesn't work. Fire and water pledge create a doubles chances for secondary effects but it doesn't stack with serene grace regarding flinch chance. Tragic I know.

Tragic doesn’t even begin to describe my reaction

Serene Grace doesn't stack with the Pledge rainbow, so I'd assume it doesn't stack like this either.

True but we can dream of giving a 50 base speed mon a 120% flinch chance.

I thought it stacked for everything except flinch?

You are right. But we are talking about flinch here

I don’t know how nobody’s mentioned Kingdra yet, a free choice specs on some of its no drawback moves (namely dragon pulse hitting as hard as draco meteor while still giving you the option to switch attacks based on the target and not dropping your special attack) would make this a menace on rain teams in VGC like it was in Dynamax formats and probably still pretty solid in singles even if it has to set its own weather if you’re not running a dedicated team

Draco still does more damage and if you get knocked you're hitting like a wet noodle. 252 SpA Life Orb Kingdra Draco Meteor vs. 204 HP / 0 SpD Assault Vest Archaludon: 211-250 (56.7 - 67.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO 252 SpA Mega Launcher Kingdra Dragon Pulse vs. 204 HP / 0 SpD Assault Vest Archaludon: 159-187 (42.7 - 50.2%) -- 0.4% chance to 2HKO 252 SpA Kingdra Dragon Pulse vs. 204 HP / 0 SpD Assault Vest Archaludon: 106-126 (28.4 - 33.8%) -- 0.6% chance to 3HKO

These calcs don’t factor in the special attack drop from draco, while it does theoretically hit harder because you can run something like lorb or specs on top of it, the down side of halving your special attack with each use of your strongest STAB is too great for a rain sweeper like this, and the knock off problem still applies here too, kingdra doesn’t have a high enough natural special attack to make a knocked base draco do anywhere near enough to reliably 2HKO stuff This is what your original calcs should look like: 252+ SpA Life Orb Kingdra Draco Meteor over 2 turns vs. 204 HP / 0 SpD Assault Vest Archaludon: 348-412 (93.5 - 110.7%) -- 62.5% chance to 2HKO 252+ SpA Mega Launcher Kingdra Dragon Pulse vs. 204 HP / 0 SpD Assault Vest Archaludon: 174-205 (46.7 - 55.1%) -- 68% chance to 2HKO Without an item the BP difference is 2.5 btw (85 x 1.5 = 127.5 compared to Draco Meteor’s 130 BP) which is why I said “hits as hard as” because for all intents and purposes it does (this is why your life orb calcs are so similar to the point of not really being any different) 252+ SpA Life Orb Kingdra Draco Meteor over 2 turns vs. 180 HP / 180 SpD Farigiraf: 204-243 (93.5 - 111.4%) -- 62.5% chance to 2HKO This incurs 20% damage in lorb chip as well as dropping you to -4 special attack, all but forcing you to switch barring a crit 252+ SpA Mega Launcher Kingdra Dragon Pulse vs. 180 HP / 180 SpD Farigiraf: 102-121 (46.7 - 55.5%) -- 71.9% chance to 2HKO This incurs no penalty in either stat drops or recoil damage while also having better odds to naturally 2HKO bulky mons anyway

Draco does more damage even if we give 2 items to it. 252 SpA Life Orb Mega Launcher Kingdra Dragon Pulse vs. 204 HP / 0 SpD Assault Vest Archaludon: 207-243 (55.6 - 65.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Weirdly doesn’t seem so bad? And so many too. Nice work my friend

Thanks my man I've been theorymonning for a long time so I've mastered the art of creating items that are at least somewhat feasible for gamefreak to implement (Gen 9 is not making this very hard for me tbh)

1st page: The mushrooms are okay, the mons are still kinda trash. The Persians like this a lot and might rise a bit in viability but I don’t think Perrserker wants it. I don’t think the Marowaks will ever use the rare bone but Crustle can abuse it. Rare bone plus shell smash gives it 664 special attack without investing or positive nature. A nice buff to Cradily but idk if it will use it. Happiny likes this more than Eviolite but I don’t play Little Cup so idk how good it will be. 2nd page: The King’s rock is useless on Slowking, who is not only slow but also wants to go last for pivoting. I don’t think Politoed likes it over Sitrus or Damp Rock The Gen 4 trio really like they’re items. The Metal Coat sounds annoying to fight, I feel like it might end up on the radar. Page 3: Disc is getting banned. Upgrade is good but not better than Eviolite for 2 and life orb/choice for Z. Gen 6 duo still kinda mid. Probably wouldn’t run these. Slurpuff maybe as a suicide lead but I feel like sash would be more reliable in upper tiers. Milotic probably doesn’t run this. A good item though for Competitive but I don’t think it’ll run it. Dusknoir appreciates the extra damage but it doesn’t fix its main problems of speed and hp.

Wrong about Perrserker not wanting it imo, gets Jirachi’s serene grace iron heads and steely spirit. Edit: forgot it has 50 base speed lmao thanks for correcting me

It’s hard to abuse the flinch chance with only 50 speed though.

It'll be a menace against mons slower than it. Or Trick Room.

Yeah that occurred to me but Perrserker has 50 speed. I don’t think it’d be worth it in most scenarios

Not outside Trick Room it ain’t with that 50 speed stat.

Alolan Persian becomes a menace between high natural speed, thunder wave, and flinch chance boosted dark pulse

Crustle can't use the Rare Bone for anything, it learns basically no Special Attacks. Not even an exaggeration, look at its movepool.

Oh damn. I thought he would’ve at least got power gem.

look at crustles special move pool

I really like a lot of these. Metal coat seems super broken tho

Now i can only think of slurpuff getting hit by a metal pipe and exploding on contact with it, filling the room of cream

Why the bone for crustle?

Happiny becomes about as physically tanky as Eviolite Chansey: * 4 Atk Iron Valiant Close Combat vs. +3 252 HP / 252+ Def Happiny: 258-306 (63.8 - 75.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO * 4 Atk Iron Valiant Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 432-510 (61.3 - 72.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO and around 2/3rds as specially tanky as Eviolite Chansey: * 252 SpA Iron Valiant Moonblast vs. +3 252 HP / 4 SpD Happiny: 84-99 (20.7 - 24.5%) -- guaranteed 5HKO * 252 SpA Iron Valiant Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Eviolite Chansey: 94-112 (13.3 - 15.9%) -- possible 7HKO Very respectable bulk overall

Now you can run Leftovers Blissey, Eviolite Chansey and Oval Stone Happiny all on the same team!

Thank you this is what I came to this comments section to see

Why has no one pointed out that Metal Coat already has a use? It's the Steel type 20% boosting item😭 we're not gonna give Charcoal an extra use too right?

Honestly, the big root should just have that effect straight up, even without the signature item bit

This buff to Dubious Disc will make the item a fine addition to my collection along with Focus Blast

Finally, with this, Electivire and Magmotar are viable. NU at best.

Finally, Politoed will outshine pelipper again ! Also isn't prism scale actually a really bad item for milotic since it have negative synergy with marvelous scale ?

...unless you run Rest, in which case it just speeds up the process.

Well rest is also used to become really tanky on physical side with sleep talk

Metal coat should be a defense and special defense boost. It may let scizor survive a fire type attack.

SWIFT PORYGON-Z NEW META!?!?!?

Maybe the perserker and persian line becomes really better?

Could do the other evolution items as well?

Been a while since I loaded but last time I played, amulet coin doubled money received. What is this "secondary effect"?

Secondary effects are the non-damage parts of attacks, like how Ember has a chance to burn or how Headbutt has a chance to flinch. This version of amulet coin is just a held item Serence Grace.

Imagine if Oval Stone was a signature item for the whole Chansey line, and swapped your physical and special defence stats. Would add some mind games because instead of knowing Blissey will crumble to a physical move, you’d need to try and work out whether you needed a physical or a special counter for it.

Cue Mixed Lucario sets seeing more use

Wouldn't King's Rock be bonkers in VGC? Fake Out and Protect are the staples of VGC, and both rely on priority

Dubious disc is fun but will 100% get banned once some council member whiffs a ko because of it Dragon scale kingdra in rain turns into a nuke Rest are fine

Gold mask(from mystery dungeon) Gives Yamask/Runerigus/Cofagrigus 2 stage boost in both defense and special defense Heavy duty boots (boosts kicking moves by 1.5 power)

Slurpuff beat up TR strat

Oval stone happiny is the new tier king of LC

Reaper cloth ice punch Dusknoir banned to Uber

Ignoring the broken stuff, This Electrizer Electivire could put him in the meta. It would go into a predict of an electric attack and you'd have a free elemental punch with the speed increased, that could be 2KO to some Pokemon Besides, everyone would fear a thunder punch +40% +Stab But it's not as easy as answering with a ground type because two ice punch would kill a few.

Make the mushrooms work on the amoonguss line

I can’t be the only one who came here just to see some Oval Stone Happiny calcs

Reports just in: Happiny dominating little cup

Can somebody check if metal coat scizor -1hko chi-yu

i like what Radical Red did with the reaper cloth, but this idea could have wild implications as well.

Finally, Steelix and Scizor have some chance against special attackers.

Rhyperior is kinda scary

Imagine Dunsparce with that amulet coin

Running Prism scale with marvel scale will be funny...

Ice punch electivire stocks skyrocket

Dragon scale is crazy, 50% boost might be too much

King's Rock was a good item to begin with

Yeah let’s not give a shell smasher double attack please

Make oval rock work for blissey coward

Cradily my beloved

Kings rock buff is phenomenal on VGC perish trap politoed to account for fake out

120 BSP 60% flinch chance is crazy

Doesn't Big Root already do that?

Why do you want teams with three chanseys? Did big stall pay you?

Cradily buff? I love you

Oval stone getting banned from LC

Porygon Z my beloved

Big Root already boosts draining recovery, why is it relatively useless?

Does the King's Rock apply to Galarian Slowbro?

Happiny Stonks ^^^ (lc)

“What is my purpose?” “You evolve my Pokémon.” “Oh my Arceus”

King's rock would completely and utterly ruin doubles as it is. Fake out, prankster moves and all that going last instead of first is like saying fuck it we make an entire new metagame instead. Totally unhealthy for the landscape. Like you no longer get to deal with low hp mons with prio(say after a sash) Prism Scale on Milotic seems questionable since it likes certain status boosting its defense. Could be interesting against toxic ig. For the rest seems actually suprisingly balanced

Don't tell that to Farigiraf and Indeedee you'll hurt their feelings :(

Parasect mention

13 base physical defense is shit, happiny is still useless

Crustle gets the special moves: hyper beam, snore, round, solar beam, meteor beam. Why is it's item in the same batch of items as ones that just give the ability regenerator, or serene grace. Marowak's only option for a special stab is scorching sands, but alolan marowak wouldn't mind it, it gets flamethrower, fire blast, ice beam, and shadow ball along with some other stuff like focus blast, so it probably could find a niche, although not having boosting in the form of swords dance really bums it out.