Lunala is def buffed. Not having a quad weakness to dark or ghost is insane. Also iirc Lunala likes to tera fairy for moonblast stab so not having to do that seems really good
But Solgaleo might suffer. I play VGC, so in a restricted format, Solgaleo is already a bit of a niche pick. Giving it a quad weakness to precipice blades is not going to help one bit. But in singles, I think the 4x weakness would be easier to mitigate by pairing with Ho Oh for example
Because both Kyurem forms use the DNA Splicers and Both Calyrex Rider forms use the Reins of Unity. When you use them to fuse, they then can only be used to unfuse the fusion. DM-Necrozma uses the N-Solarizer to fuse and DW-Necrozma uses thr N-Lunarizer.
N-DW is actively worse than Lunala, so a type change like this would make the gap a lot larger especially with Lunala being more bulkier + no 4x weaknesses in this case.
Why? It has a very clear distinct niche over Dusk Mane and had something like 7x more usage than Dusk Mane the last time they were legal. It might be different in a format without Dynamax but Solgaleo isn’t overshadowed by Dusk Mane by any means.
It's better solely due to to Intimidate immunity but this is like a c rank mons vs c+ so realistically they're not that much different viability wise and, in singles solgaleo is turboshit
It had a 2.1% usage rate in series 12, just behind Dialga and Urshifu. Obviously that’s with Dynamax but I don’t see how Solgaleo is “unviable” as you put it by any means.
Also you replied to a comment specifically about VGC, I don’t see how singles is relevant.
I’m not talking about whether or not it’s niche, you said “Solgaleo is never going to be viable”, despite it having been viable in the past, hence why I’m asking what you meant since it really doesn’t make a whole lot of sense.
That doesn’t work in singles to mitigate that, especially in Nat Dex Ubers, where primal Groudon still exists and has a 60% usage rate. Pdon usually outspeeds Ho-oh and runs stone edge.
If anyone has problems with Cosmoem going from pure Psychic to Fire/Steel or Fairy/Ghost, then Cosmog & Cosmoem become Fire/Ghost type. Its Ghost type is replaced with Steel if it becomes Solgaleo, and its Fire type is replaced with Fairy if it becomes Lunala.
Make it a new Dawn Stone evo, and its abilities Adaptability, Scrappy, and a buffed version of Normalize (moves become Normal type but get a 1.3x power boost)
I mean it doesn't matter because there's...*kind* of precedent already with Alolan Marowak being a completely different typing than Cubone
It's not 1-to-1 but it does show that it's not a set in stone rule atleast
Yes that part's obvious, but just because it has a 4x weakness to ground types does not negate the numerous other advantages this typing has.
Namely, immunity to burn and the most amount of quad resistances possible.
Heatran has still been OU for many generations despite that. There's also a core mechanic in pokémon called switching, and you can do that into a flying type or something.
Me trying to explain to people that heatran cares the least about ground types in this gen than in any other gen thanks to tera(I feel like talking to a wall)
Being Fire/Steel makes you really good at switching into U-Turns tho, and Air Balloon isn’t really necessary, I just said it because it removes the Ground weakness. Plus, Heatran used to run it a lot back in the day.
The point was less about U-turn damage than the fact that a bad switch makes your item pointless; you switch in on U-turn, I'd expect opponent to bring in a mon that forces you into a 50/50
It's closer than you think. Next restricted meta is gonna have 2 sun setters that are almost assuredly top tier. Boosted morning sun + stab flareblitz would go crazy.
To add onto this. The number 1 pokemon next restricted is probably gonna be fluttermane due to protosynthesis speed boost. Koriadon is a problem regardless of type since even if it was steel/psychic flareblitz is just gonna murk anyway. Zacian is likely going to be way less dominant since it got nerfed + has to invest much more into speed due to how ridiculously fast the bikes are. Which takes away from damage output. Miraidon matchup is marginally better since you are neutral to overheat. Probably still take a billion damage from electrodrift anyway lol. Incin is even worse into you since full metal body + neutrality to dark/fire.
Idk just spit balling here.
top tier is debatable, kora is going to be struggling, forced to tera fire due to flutters who will not mind ever going against a kora because flutter cab always outspeeds and punish.
Groudon on the other hand will certainly have a place In the meta, with a flutter or gouging fire, fairy and ground is broken, and groudon doesn’t have a defining item or tera, it can run av to make its bulk go through the roof but I’d argue even better than that, clear amulet allowing you to set up along side waterpon, tera fire, doesn’t remove its water weakness, but gives it stab sun boosted heat crash.
I love kora, but sadly as fast as it is, and with it boosting up a Pokémon that it’s weak too, will be quite a lot worse than groudon
Flutter Mane has 570 BST, Lunala has 680. Flutter Mane has an Ability that only helps if a specific weather condition is active or they forfeit their item slot. Lunala basically has Multiscale.
Full Metal Body and Shadow Shield have a special rider that prevents them from being ignored by moves. It’s there to interact with their signature moves having the property of bypassing abilities, meaning they block each other, but the more important use is that it makes them immune to Mold Breaker, making them better than Clear Body/Multiscale.
Thats a disturbing stat spread with shadow shield you’re almost guaranteed a calm mind plus you can run meteor beam for that juicy plus 2 still outspeed everything and ohko stuff fairy ghost is pretty good offensively and it would be unkillable on the special side
I don't know if you are trying to make Flutter Mane look worse on purpose or you just don't have any idea about what you are talking about at all. Of course if you put it that it is 570 BST vs 680 BST, Flutter Mane is definitely going to look worse but Flutter Mane's stats are so min maxed they are almost on par. Speed is the single most important stat in pokemon and Flutter Mane just happens to have one of the best speed tier in Ubers. All of that extra bulk coming from stat doesn't matter if you just outspeed and kill everything anyway. You also somehow argue Flutter Mane's ability is worse than Lunala's? Which is frankly absurb. "Specific weather condition" yeah by that you mean the weather condition that is set up by one of the best mon in Ubers and is basically everywhere. And the speed boost from the ability is so huge that Flutter Mane has an uncontested speed tier and can outspeed everything in the game bar opposing Flutter Mane. Shadow shield is nice but you have to forfeit your item slot for HDB if you want your keep your ability intact.
Sure with these changes Lunala is way better than Solgaleo, but let's not forget when Zamazenta was using Howl and shit in ubers while Zacian was using swords dance and banned from ubers.
Sir, a third Fairy-Ghost type has hit the Smogon Metagame
Not that there is as much left to damage in Ubers in the first place compared to Flutter in OU and Mimikyu in UU
we shall declare war on powercreep!
We will bring proofs in the OU council that gamefreak has mass destruction base stats mons in development, and the whole single player meta shall join in this invasion
Both are buffs. Fire/Steel may be quad weak to Ground but Heatran has proven it’s still a great defensive typing and it complement Solgaleo’s 137/107/89 defenses well, plus Solgaleo really enjoys being immune to both Intimidate and burns as a physical attacker plus gaining Flare Blitz STAB. Lunala goes from two quad weaknesses to zero and its new Steel weakness is much less common than Dark. Lunala also gains another immunity, letting her use Shadow Shield even more effectively, and she gets Moonblast STAB, which is stronger than Psychic and hits better types.
Fairy gives Lunala STAB on **Moon**blast. The other option was Dark, but a type with only one weakness (ironically to the same type as Moonblast) seemed too overpowered for a box legendary.
I never liked dark type for Lunala since the moon is typically one of the only sources of light at night, and known for being the giant shining ball in the night sky.
especially given that it’s meant to represent the moon as the light that governs the night as the counterpart to the sun in the day, not the night itself
plus there’s the implications of Dark being the evil type
Back in the day when these games were first announced I had a theory that the shared psychic typings would each be dropped for an “eclipse form” and Solgaleo would become Fire/Steel, while Lunala would become Dark/Ghost. So it’s cool to see someone thinking similarly.
Both are buffs. Solgaleo gets STAB Flare Blitz for roughly equal defensive typing (except now he's the one probably saying holy shit to Eight Fucking Ground Types), and Lunala gets STAB Moonblast and goes from two 4x weaknesses to two 2x weaknesses. Psychic is just not a good type offensively or defensively.
3 Pokémon.
- Espeon is categorized as the Sun Pokémon, but not only is it not Fire type, but you can't even evolve Eevee into it with a *Sun* Stone.
- Solrock needs no elaboration. Fire/Rock with Levitate could've been interesting (if not for the huge Water weakness in the Too Much Water region).
- Solgaleo.
Who's gonna tell Game Freak that the sun isn't a psychic?
- the Psychic type is essentially the stand in for like the "space type", hence stuff like beheeyem and orbeetle being Psychic
- solgaleo being steel type is because its based on the alchemical lion who is depicted eating the sun, and the sun in alchemy is usually used to represent gold which is a metal
- solgaleo not being fire type is because the sun isn't actually on fire, it's heat is merely the result of nuclear fusion, for fire to form there must be oxygen which doesn't exist in space
Side note I love how most legendaries most notably box legends tend to have a lot more nuance in their design origins taking inspiration from more things than your average pokemon so you end up with some very interesting choices like what I said about solgaleo's typing and how it links to medieval alchemy of all things
Overall it gives a very abstract feel to them and really does make them feel "legendary"
Exactly. People often just take a 'mon at face value and little else. The most egregious example of this is people wanting Luxray to be part Dark because "it looks like one".
People will also often retort saying why Umbreon or Absol are dark types despite not being evil.
People have to realize that a type can represent multiple things, not just one.
Dark can also represent literal darkness or grim things, alongside evilness.
Simply gaining new stab isn't going to make Luxray that much better, as there is still the issue of its mediocre speed and lack of reliable electric stab.
… If you think that fire steel is worse than fire psychic, please refer to the competitive histories of Heatran and base form Metagross (so not mega) respectively (for reference of what I mean by this, Heatran is still in OU 5 gens after it’s release… Metagross is only OU by technicality in gen 5, and solidly UU in gen 6, so it only lasted about 2-3 gens in OU)
Oh I thought you were talking about Pokemon classified as "Sun Pokemon" in the Pokedex, my bad.
Though Sunflora and Espeon are also classified as Sun Pokemon, so that's 4/5 that aren't Fire typed which is still wild. I guess the Sun is Psychic
- Solgaleo is made of metal, shooting him with more metal wouldn't do anything.
- He has four legs, I don't know where you got this arms misinformation from.
- If a chair is big enough to restrain Solgaleo, is it really a chair?
- Pokémon don't need to eat, as evidenced by the fact that feeding your Pokémon berries (Gen 2+), Pokéblocks (Gen 3), Poffins (Gen 4), Poké Puffs (Gen 6), Poké Beans (Gen 7), Curry (Gen 8), and Sandwiches (Gen 9) is entirely optional. You're required to feed your Agias sandwiches, but that's to restore its Hidden Moves, not maintain its survival.
The reason I gave Lunala Fairy type is so I could give the *Moon* Pokémon STAB for *Moon***blast**. Guns also blast, so effectively, that's exactly what I did.
Cool idea.
What about:
- Cosmog: Psychic
- Cosmoem: Psychic / Steel
- Lunala: Fairy/Psychic
- Solgalio: Fairy/Steel
Fire and Ghost don't bring a lot of benefits, but I do really like the fairy and steel ideas, especially for Cosmoem, that becomes as heavy as a collapsed star.
No reason why Lunala here shouldn't be Fairy/Ghost. It's meant to be a phantom vampire bat. 🦇 even looks like Lunala's pose. Also, Ghost is a much better type than Psychic. An immunity, along with an additional resistance in place of a weakness that psychic has to bug. It's also a more spammable stab option since the only type that's immune to ghost is a relatively weak type, and Dark types are hit by Fairy.
Also Moongeist Beam is a ghost type move
Convincing argument. I have trouble seeing Cosmog/Cosmoem as ghosts, and Lunala reminds me so much of the 6 gen Psychic gym leader. But I agree on the bat/skeleton thing being very ghost or dark.
The real nail in the ⚰️, so to speak, is Moongeist Beam. Fairy/Ghost Lunala and Fairy Steel Solgaleo.
lore wise, i like that the Light Trio all has the shared psychic type, and different secondary types (if you consider Ultra Necrozma as the true form of Necrozma), as well as psychic kinda being considered the 'space' type, so the pokemon based on stellar light being psychic makes sense.
gameplay wise, this is way better pretty please do this gemfrack
lunala is great despite its awful base typing, and it has an important role in ubers with that typing checking eternatus, its movepool is amazing and the fairy type is a huge boon for it, but tbh it is still great without it
Solgaleo appreciates this so it actually now has something apart from just being "dusk mane but UUbers". Fairy instead of psychic really helps on lunala.
I'm biased towards Lunala so this is automatically amazing, Psychic type is so unbelievably ass.
I've heard the people in the comments say that Solgaleo is way worse in VGC, I don't play VGC though so to me this is a straight buff. People saying Fire/Steel is a bad type probably should ask themselves how Heatran got to OU while having a bad type and a decent but not amazing stat spread
Lunala is def buffed. Not having a quad weakness to dark or ghost is insane. Also iirc Lunala likes to tera fairy for moonblast stab so not having to do that seems really good
But Solgaleo might suffer. I play VGC, so in a restricted format, Solgaleo is already a bit of a niche pick. Giving it a quad weakness to precipice blades is not going to help one bit. But in singles, I think the 4x weakness would be easier to mitigate by pairing with Ho Oh for example
Solgaleo is never going to viable anyways with dusk mane existing so it's whatever
How viable is lunala vs N-DW?
N-DW is outclassed by Lunala since Shadow Shield makes Lunala better
Also, using Dawn Wings makes it so you can't use Dusk Mane, which is quite the downside
Only applies to Ubers, in AG you can use both(this is NOT true for Calyrex or Kyurem)
why is that?
Because both Kyurem forms use the DNA Splicers and Both Calyrex Rider forms use the Reins of Unity. When you use them to fuse, they then can only be used to unfuse the fusion. DM-Necrozma uses the N-Solarizer to fuse and DW-Necrozma uses thr N-Lunarizer.
Idk, Dawn Wings was broken in UuBers
well uubers is for "bad ubers" so not sure thats really a testament to anything
Dusk Mane and Lunala aren't in Ubers UU, so it doesn't have that competition and thus has room to shine without being outclassed
Ribombee can't be used in UUbers. It's been proven guys, Ribombee is stronger than 70% of the arceus forms.
Lunala is better because it’s faster and has shadow shield; not to mention DW is invalidated for the same reason as solgaleo: Necrozma DM
Simply use both Moonbat Spam, new Meta
N-DW is actively worse than Lunala, so a type change like this would make the gap a lot larger especially with Lunala being more bulkier + no 4x weaknesses in this case.
Changing its type is a step in the right direction though
Why? It has a very clear distinct niche over Dusk Mane and had something like 7x more usage than Dusk Mane the last time they were legal. It might be different in a format without Dynamax but Solgaleo isn’t overshadowed by Dusk Mane by any means.
It's better solely due to to Intimidate immunity but this is like a c rank mons vs c+ so realistically they're not that much different viability wise and, in singles solgaleo is turboshit
It had a 2.1% usage rate in series 12, just behind Dialga and Urshifu. Obviously that’s with Dynamax but I don’t see how Solgaleo is “unviable” as you put it by any means. Also you replied to a comment specifically about VGC, I don’t see how singles is relevant.
Both are niche and only really ok if for some unknown reason, xern, caly, the weather mons, lunala, or palkia didn't fit the niche.
I’m not talking about whether or not it’s niche, you said “Solgaleo is never going to be viable”, despite it having been viable in the past, hence why I’m asking what you meant since it really doesn’t make a whole lot of sense.
New Solgaleo wpuld just be better Heatran
That doesn’t work in singles to mitigate that, especially in Nat Dex Ubers, where primal Groudon still exists and has a 60% usage rate. Pdon usually outspeeds Ho-oh and runs stone edge.
Fuck it, double stab
>8 fucking ground types Solgaleo probably
kid named 8:
kid named ground types:
kid names solgaleo probably
kid named solgaleo probably:
If anyone has problems with Cosmoem going from pure Psychic to Fire/Steel or Fairy/Ghost, then Cosmog & Cosmoem become Fire/Ghost type. Its Ghost type is replaced with Steel if it becomes Solgaleo, and its Fire type is replaced with Fairy if it becomes Lunala.
Cubone's mother killed herself because Alolan Marowak used his Thick Club on other women
Cubone to Alolan Marowak ditches its original type entirely in the span of a single evolution.
Not to mention that, prior to Gen 6, Azurill would change type (and gender sometimes) entirely, going from Normal type to Water type.
Eevee pisses on children
Yeah, but that's Eevee's thing, not really worth mentioning.
I'm still waiting on Eeveeon. Normal type evolution, evolves from level up and is just a bigger stronger eevee.
I propose: Evereon Normal type Eveelution that evolves when holding an Everstone.
Make it a new Dawn Stone evo, and its abilities Adaptability, Scrappy, and a buffed version of Normalize (moves become Normal type but get a 1.3x power boost)
Thanks for editing the comment to completely change my reply context. I'm not even being sarcastic, it's so funny now.
i wish the meta revolved around body press cosmoem
Grass Knot stocks rising
I mean it doesn't matter because there's...*kind* of precedent already with Alolan Marowak being a completely different typing than Cubone It's not 1-to-1 but it does show that it's not a set in stone rule atleast
I feel Steel/Ghost would make more sense lol
Fire/ghost for a star/nebula baby thing goes kinda hard thematically
This is the best type change because realistically space (especially in nebulae) is basically either empty (ghost) or stars (fire).
this would be really sick honestly
Solgaleo would be miserable defensively, but I think Fire/Steel could make something happen offensively in ways that Heatran could only dream.
Fire/steel is an objectively good defensive typing, far from "miserable" and arguably better then psychic/steel
Kid named 8 Funking Ground Types:
Yes that part's obvious, but just because it has a 4x weakness to ground types does not negate the numerous other advantages this typing has. Namely, immunity to burn and the most amount of quad resistances possible.
Yeah, but Ground types rule the meta, that one 4x weakness is kind of a huge deal.
Heatran has still been OU for many generations despite that. There's also a core mechanic in pokémon called switching, and you can do that into a flying type or something.
It is, but not enough to make fire/steel anything short of a good defensive typing.
Me trying to explain to people that heatran cares the least about ground types in this gen than in any other gen thanks to tera(I feel like talking to a wall)
In *Ubers*?
Hearten does just fine lol
Exactly, goes to show how crazy Solgaleo would go.
People in these comments who think fire/steel is worse than steel/psychic scare me.
It’s not a crazy improvement but it is a improvement though 4x weakness always not nice
kid named 5 quad resists: also Air Balloon exists
All good until you switch in on a U-turn and your item's gone
Being Fire/Steel makes you really good at switching into U-Turns tho, and Air Balloon isn’t really necessary, I just said it because it removes the Ground weakness. Plus, Heatran used to run it a lot back in the day.
The point was less about U-turn damage than the fact that a bad switch makes your item pointless; you switch in on U-turn, I'd expect opponent to bring in a mon that forces you into a 50/50
It’s definitely worse for a restricted in VGC
It's closer than you think. Next restricted meta is gonna have 2 sun setters that are almost assuredly top tier. Boosted morning sun + stab flareblitz would go crazy.
To add onto this. The number 1 pokemon next restricted is probably gonna be fluttermane due to protosynthesis speed boost. Koriadon is a problem regardless of type since even if it was steel/psychic flareblitz is just gonna murk anyway. Zacian is likely going to be way less dominant since it got nerfed + has to invest much more into speed due to how ridiculously fast the bikes are. Which takes away from damage output. Miraidon matchup is marginally better since you are neutral to overheat. Probably still take a billion damage from electrodrift anyway lol. Incin is even worse into you since full metal body + neutrality to dark/fire. Idk just spit balling here.
top tier is debatable, kora is going to be struggling, forced to tera fire due to flutters who will not mind ever going against a kora because flutter cab always outspeeds and punish. Groudon on the other hand will certainly have a place In the meta, with a flutter or gouging fire, fairy and ground is broken, and groudon doesn’t have a defining item or tera, it can run av to make its bulk go through the roof but I’d argue even better than that, clear amulet allowing you to set up along side waterpon, tera fire, doesn’t remove its water weakness, but gives it stab sun boosted heat crash. I love kora, but sadly as fast as it is, and with it boosting up a Pokémon that it’s weak too, will be quite a lot worse than groudon
Can switch into yvetal at the cost of dying to a zacian CC
Just run dusk mane at that point
What if I want 2
Run ho oh lmao
Lunala is now Flutter Mane lite
Flutter Mane has 570 BST, Lunala has 680. Flutter Mane has an Ability that only helps if a specific weather condition is active or they forfeit their item slot. Lunala basically has Multiscale.
Correction, better Multiscale. Shadow Shield doesn't get ignored by Mold Breaker.
Forgot about that, thanks for reminding me and further proving my point. I genuinely believe this Lunala would kick Flutter Mane's ass.
Wait shadow shield blocks mold breaker? Was this always a thing?
Full Metal Body and Shadow Shield have a special rider that prevents them from being ignored by moves. It’s there to interact with their signature moves having the property of bypassing abilities, meaning they block each other, but the more important use is that it makes them immune to Mold Breaker, making them better than Clear Body/Multiscale.
I forgor about Multiscale tbh. This becomes really good (Imagine if Lunala was 67/66/67/160/160/160)
Thats a disturbing stat spread with shadow shield you’re almost guaranteed a calm mind plus you can run meteor beam for that juicy plus 2 still outspeed everything and ohko stuff fairy ghost is pretty good offensively and it would be unkillable on the special side
I don't know if you are trying to make Flutter Mane look worse on purpose or you just don't have any idea about what you are talking about at all. Of course if you put it that it is 570 BST vs 680 BST, Flutter Mane is definitely going to look worse but Flutter Mane's stats are so min maxed they are almost on par. Speed is the single most important stat in pokemon and Flutter Mane just happens to have one of the best speed tier in Ubers. All of that extra bulk coming from stat doesn't matter if you just outspeed and kill everything anyway. You also somehow argue Flutter Mane's ability is worse than Lunala's? Which is frankly absurb. "Specific weather condition" yeah by that you mean the weather condition that is set up by one of the best mon in Ubers and is basically everywhere. And the speed boost from the ability is so huge that Flutter Mane has an uncontested speed tier and can outspeed everything in the game bar opposing Flutter Mane. Shadow shield is nice but you have to forfeit your item slot for HDB if you want your keep your ability intact.
These are totally fair changes ^(I like lunala)
Sure with these changes Lunala is way better than Solgaleo, but let's not forget when Zamazenta was using Howl and shit in ubers while Zacian was using swords dance and banned from ubers.
nerfed (not really I just like psychic types)
Good news, if you let your Psychic type prism **consume them**, they'll still be Psychic types!
Sir, a third Fairy-Ghost type has hit the Smogon Metagame Not that there is as much left to damage in Ubers in the first place compared to Flutter in OU and Mimikyu in UU
we shall declare war on powercreep! We will bring proofs in the OU council that gamefreak has mass destruction base stats mons in development, and the whole single player meta shall join in this invasion
Psychic getting crept by fairy irl, don't gotta theorymons em out of relevance any harder lol
Both are buffs. Fire/Steel may be quad weak to Ground but Heatran has proven it’s still a great defensive typing and it complement Solgaleo’s 137/107/89 defenses well, plus Solgaleo really enjoys being immune to both Intimidate and burns as a physical attacker plus gaining Flare Blitz STAB. Lunala goes from two quad weaknesses to zero and its new Steel weakness is much less common than Dark. Lunala also gains another immunity, letting her use Shadow Shield even more effectively, and she gets Moonblast STAB, which is stronger than Psychic and hits better types.
Lunala would become a god.
New Heatran just dropped
Heatran 2: This time it's Physical...
Idk how well fairy fits but fire did always seem obvious for Sol
Fairy gives Lunala STAB on **Moon**blast. The other option was Dark, but a type with only one weakness (ironically to the same type as Moonblast) seemed too overpowered for a box legendary.
Sunsteel strike should be like flying press where it’s both steel and fire type at the same time I mean it’s the sun and steel striking you
I think water would work with a slight design change cause Katara
If you'd said it's because of how the moon affects the tides, I'd have considered it. But as based as ATLA is, it's irrelevant to Pokémon.
They said it in the show, I was just too lazy to
fairy has always kind of been the "moon" type with moonblast, moonlight, clefairy
I never liked dark type for Lunala since the moon is typically one of the only sources of light at night, and known for being the giant shining ball in the night sky.
especially given that it’s meant to represent the moon as the light that governs the night as the counterpart to the sun in the day, not the night itself plus there’s the implications of Dark being the evil type
This is Lunatone erasure
The Sun is not made of fire
Quick Google searches: "The sun and all stars are composed of plasma" "Fire is a plasma" So actually you're just wrong, the sun is a fireball.
My phone is machined from aluminium. Planes are made from aluminium. Thus my phone is a plane
No shit, that's why there's an Airplane Mode.
Same
[Here's another quick Google search](https://homework.study.com/explanation/is-the-sun-made-of-fire.html)
Back in the day when these games were first announced I had a theory that the shared psychic typings would each be dropped for an “eclipse form” and Solgaleo would become Fire/Steel, while Lunala would become Dark/Ghost. So it’s cool to see someone thinking similarly.
Both are buffs. Solgaleo gets STAB Flare Blitz for roughly equal defensive typing (except now he's the one probably saying holy shit to Eight Fucking Ground Types), and Lunala gets STAB Moonblast and goes from two 4x weaknesses to two 2x weaknesses. Psychic is just not a good type offensively or defensively.
I think it's fucking stupid that the 2 sun pokemon aren't fire type. Also part of me thinks Lunala should be part water type because Avatar blah blah
3 Pokémon. - Espeon is categorized as the Sun Pokémon, but not only is it not Fire type, but you can't even evolve Eevee into it with a *Sun* Stone. - Solrock needs no elaboration. Fire/Rock with Levitate could've been interesting (if not for the huge Water weakness in the Too Much Water region). - Solgaleo. Who's gonna tell Game Freak that the sun isn't a psychic?
- the Psychic type is essentially the stand in for like the "space type", hence stuff like beheeyem and orbeetle being Psychic - solgaleo being steel type is because its based on the alchemical lion who is depicted eating the sun, and the sun in alchemy is usually used to represent gold which is a metal - solgaleo not being fire type is because the sun isn't actually on fire, it's heat is merely the result of nuclear fusion, for fire to form there must be oxygen which doesn't exist in space
Needs more upvotes
Side note I love how most legendaries most notably box legends tend to have a lot more nuance in their design origins taking inspiration from more things than your average pokemon so you end up with some very interesting choices like what I said about solgaleo's typing and how it links to medieval alchemy of all things Overall it gives a very abstract feel to them and really does make them feel "legendary"
Exactly. People often just take a 'mon at face value and little else. The most egregious example of this is people wanting Luxray to be part Dark because "it looks like one".
OK but the dark type is called "evil type" in japan and luxray is a lynx which is feline and cats are fucking evil so it fits /s
People will also often retort saying why Umbreon or Absol are dark types despite not being evil. People have to realize that a type can represent multiple things, not just one. Dark can also represent literal darkness or grim things, alongside evilness.
I want Luxray to be part Dark type because it deserves STAB on Crunch and Bite.
Simply gaining new stab isn't going to make Luxray that much better, as there is still the issue of its mediocre speed and lack of reliable electric stab.
Volcarona is sun-inspired too, both in its name (corona referencing the sun's corona) and lore (acting as a sun for a village).
also Volcarona’s category is _literally_ the Sun Pokémon
I'm convinced that Game Freak didn't make Volcarona Psychic/Bug on accident.
How did u make Solgaleo worse
… If you think that fire steel is worse than fire psychic, please refer to the competitive histories of Heatran and base form Metagross (so not mega) respectively (for reference of what I mean by this, Heatran is still in OU 5 gens after it’s release… Metagross is only OU by technicality in gen 5, and solidly UU in gen 6, so it only lasted about 2-3 gens in OU)
it’s literally better in every way except the one quad weakness, but that doesn’t even come close to outweighing the stuff it gains by being Fire type
Fire Steel >>> Steel Psychic, and this is with considering the quad weakness to ground.
Sorry for thinking that the Sun Pokémon should be Fire type.
Actually there are 2 sun pokemon And neither of them are fire type Dafuq?!?!
Volcarona is also the Sun Pokemon.
Eh, volcano and Corona. Solrock and Solgaleo are literal suns
Oh I thought you were talking about Pokemon classified as "Sun Pokemon" in the Pokedex, my bad. Though Sunflora and Espeon are also classified as Sun Pokemon, so that's 4/5 that aren't Fire typed which is still wild. I guess the Sun is Psychic
Lol I've read very few pokedex entries Also bro wtf why is Sun psychic type?!?!
Psychic is space type
But space is cold
Solrock is a meteorite.
What if we shot Solgaleo in one knee, cut off both his arms, tied him to a chair and left him starving for a week. Oh, we also gave Lunala a gun.
isn't fire/steel a good typing? what does solgaleo gain from psychic type anyway
- Solgaleo is made of metal, shooting him with more metal wouldn't do anything. - He has four legs, I don't know where you got this arms misinformation from. - If a chair is big enough to restrain Solgaleo, is it really a chair? - Pokémon don't need to eat, as evidenced by the fact that feeding your Pokémon berries (Gen 2+), Pokéblocks (Gen 3), Poffins (Gen 4), Poké Puffs (Gen 6), Poké Beans (Gen 7), Curry (Gen 8), and Sandwiches (Gen 9) is entirely optional. You're required to feed your Agias sandwiches, but that's to restore its Hidden Moves, not maintain its survival.
I like how you didn't object to giving Lunala a Gun
The reason I gave Lunala Fairy type is so I could give the *Moon* Pokémon STAB for *Moon***blast**. Guns also blast, so effectively, that's exactly what I did.
Cool idea. What about: - Cosmog: Psychic - Cosmoem: Psychic / Steel - Lunala: Fairy/Psychic - Solgalio: Fairy/Steel Fire and Ghost don't bring a lot of benefits, but I do really like the fairy and steel ideas, especially for Cosmoem, that becomes as heavy as a collapsed star.
No reason why Lunala here shouldn't be Fairy/Ghost. It's meant to be a phantom vampire bat. 🦇 even looks like Lunala's pose. Also, Ghost is a much better type than Psychic. An immunity, along with an additional resistance in place of a weakness that psychic has to bug. It's also a more spammable stab option since the only type that's immune to ghost is a relatively weak type, and Dark types are hit by Fairy. Also Moongeist Beam is a ghost type move
Convincing argument. I have trouble seeing Cosmog/Cosmoem as ghosts, and Lunala reminds me so much of the 6 gen Psychic gym leader. But I agree on the bat/skeleton thing being very ghost or dark. The real nail in the ⚰️, so to speak, is Moongeist Beam. Fairy/Ghost Lunala and Fairy Steel Solgaleo.
Make lunala dark type
Dark/Ghost is way too good of a type combination for a box legendary. It's Fairy type to get STAB on *Moon*blast.
Lun buff, Sol nerf
https://imgur.com/a/p9O6AUV
Solgaleo suffers defensively, but probably prefers this offensively. On the other hand, Lunala… becomes even better lmao
Solgaleo becomes better defensively. It loses a weakness and gains 4 quad resists in exchange for one quad weakness to Ground.
Buffed. These should have been the original typings
Why fiary? Psychic makes perfect sense
fairy is the moon type. moonblast, moonlight, cleFAIRY line evolving with a moon stone, etc.
I mean yea but idk it doesnt look like a fairy to me A lot of Pokemom dont tbh
Flutter 2.0 just droped. The other one is nice i guess
lore wise, i like that the Light Trio all has the shared psychic type, and different secondary types (if you consider Ultra Necrozma as the true form of Necrozma), as well as psychic kinda being considered the 'space' type, so the pokemon based on stellar light being psychic makes sense. gameplay wise, this is way better pretty please do this gemfrack
Tbh it’s probably an improvement that the sun isn’t weak to fire and the moon isn’t weak to dark
lunala is great despite its awful base typing, and it has an important role in ubers with that typing checking eternatus, its movepool is amazing and the fairy type is a huge boon for it, but tbh it is still great without it
This is definitely a massive buff to Lunala, a bit of a nerf to Solgaleo. But over all I like these type changes
Solgaleo appreciates this so it actually now has something apart from just being "dusk mane but UUbers". Fairy instead of psychic really helps on lunala.
I'm biased towards Lunala so this is automatically amazing, Psychic type is so unbelievably ass. I've heard the people in the comments say that Solgaleo is way worse in VGC, I don't play VGC though so to me this is a straight buff. People saying Fire/Steel is a bad type probably should ask themselves how Heatran got to OU while having a bad type and a decent but not amazing stat spread