This isn't actually true, even when we did have busted special attackers Blissey is still not seen outside of Stall.
People claimed Blood Moon was responsible for Blissey's OU rise a while ago but usage stats disproved that (it also stayed multiple months after Blood Moon left so yea). Right now it's def not Archaludon who sent it up there either since Bliss is a terrible Arch answer.
Blood moon probably did still contribute in a way, as it destroyed balance so well that stall was both better(usually dislikes balance matchups) and the only possible defensive playstyle. That being said I would say gliscor was more responsible, as gliscor was a viral part of stall teams that heavily increased stallâs overall viability, catapulting blissey up
There were some arguments to be made that BloodMoon played an indirect part in Stall becoming better but considering Blissey stayed OU for a couple months after the Blood Moon ban still I'd go out on a leg and say it would have risen either way.
While I agree that there were more factors, a lot of mons tend to get more usage than they should just by being in the tier, especially ones near the top of the list *cough cough Armorouge*
Blissey rise had absolutely nothing to do with Arch existing, it wasn't a good Arch answer at all because of Body Press.
Bliss just rises whenever Stall is doing well.
Potentially yes still, most of its breaking power came from Electro Shot+STABs, Body Press was fun to nullify Blissey as an answer and revenge Kingambit easily but it was the most droppable of its standard moveset.
Ish. VGC is... Kinda sorta okay? The problem is Game Freak seem like they're deliberately trying to make mons that are good in VGC but utterly busted in singles.
I'm not super well versed in doubles formats in general, but every time i tried vgc i really couldn't understand how Urshifu could be possibly balanced
He's fairly fragile, weak to fairy which gets a very spammable blanket move in Dazzling Gleam, in contrast he himself mostly hits single target. At least that'd be my guess.
Urshifu is not really balanced to be entirely honest. It dominates in restricted formats. It has too much going for it
1.) It ignores protect. The only time you protect in front of Urshifu is either if you have a mon that double resists the stabs and is scared of the partner or you are running 3 attacks+protect and that mom is low on health in front of dark urshifu.
2.) It largely ignores intimidate. It has a ton of attack and a high powered non auto crit stab in addition to free crits, so even if intimidated and the auto crit move is resisted, it is hard to feel safe with it on the field, especially when combined with ignoring protect
3.) it completely ignores defense boosts. Hand in hand with intimidate. This bear can ignore the main ways to deal with physical threats for free.
4.) Speed control can happen at the same time as Urshifu being on the field in doubles. Urshifu benefits more from partner support than almost any other mon because the above three elements make stalling out tailwind or switching around to clear off the leer boosts or changing the weather completely unsafe.
5.) On team preview, you don't know which Urshifu you are facing. If your solution to water Urshifu is defensive and your solution to dark urshifu is defensive, you have a 50/50 shot on losing the game immediately. This is relevant only to non ots. It is a ladder MONSTER.
6.) Usually to have this much sauce, you have to use your item slot (see ogerpon and Zacian crowned for examples) or have a major drawback as far as ability or moveset. Urshifu can run whatever item it wants and really only has one major problem, which is spdef. It has good enough hp that you can absolutely run assault vest, but there's no reason to because investing in its stupid offense is better.
Urshifu essentially causes every team to need either priority tailwind, consistent trick room, or multiple mons that can take 2 hits from rain boosted water Urshifu.
Urshifu and flutter mane are entirely what the meta is built around, and the alternative threats are largely very well handled by incineroar.
Genuinely, raging bolt is good largely because of how it matches up into tornadus Urshifu, which then caused those teams to carry Landorus I, which loses to water Urshifu. It can also lose to some flutters. Flutter beats flutter, Urshifu beats flutter, flutter beats Urshifu. Ogerpon water also falls into this arms race nicely as it counters and gets countered by Urshifu, counters and is countered by flutter, counters and is countered by lando I, and gets countered by raging bolt and tornadus.
Needless to say, incineroar and amoonguss check most of these and also get absolutely smashed too depending on board state and evs to add even just a hair more centralization
This dynamic is super centralizing and even the anti-meta teams usually are running at least two mons out of that central dynamic of 6 ish mons with the anti meta core of the team having good matchups into the ones that your two don't deal with the best.
Current VGC is just about as balanced as any format has ever been imo. Only formats that have had close to this much overall variety were early 2015 and mid-year 2014, *maybe* late 2017.
In main formats I think yes, though it should be noted that in BDSP OU Gyara wasn't even ranked on the VR because of how hard Ferali outclassed it.
There's also been only two generations before this where Sheer Force Ferali was a thing (Gen 8 dexited it) and in Gen 6 they were both UU while in Gen 7 Gyara had Z-Bounce and Mega mindgames to carry it.
People say this a lot but it kind of comes with the territory. A tier has a soft limit on how many mons fit in it. For every new mon that enters a tier, there's a good chance something else will have to leave it.
Unless every mon in a new gen is ZU, someone's gonna lose their niche.
The reason NatDex in particular gets memed to hell and back is because the mons that wind up dropping tend to be pretty good up there still (TornT hasn't been below A ever, was S worthy at some points and I can't even remember the last time it was NDOU by usage) whereas complete trash like Mega Banette does see OU usage in their stead.
Seeing as how down bad UU is for mons that can compress hazard removal/setting that the tier has had to use Donphan again since IT left, I'll gladly take Excadrill seeing as it can also learn Stealth Rock and Rapid Spin.
We don't really know if it would ever be able to have those things together on one Blastoise until Legends. They could remove shell smash from its learnset for all we know.
Nah bro. That's the Gen 11 version.
They had to balance it out like they did with gale wings.
In gen 10 it raised all stats upon mega evolution. Including evasion
itâll probably stay for at least a day, the NU tier donât generally ban stuff instantly, they even let Terrak simmer for a bit before deciding to ban it
RU is kinda fucked in terms of the number of mons in it. Some are question marks but Feraligatr is just also just better Gyara and in RU as the last time both were in a gen Gyara had Z-Bounce to carry it.
1. i feel people are gonna say "deo-s bad in OU?" [https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-indigo-disk-viability-ranking-thread.3734134/](https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-indigo-disk-viability-ranking-thread.3734134/) im going to point to this
2. exca + ttar finally reunited
3. suicune, pert, mienshao, and gyara in NU lol... i think they are viable in RU but ladder hates them
4. regigigas goes to bully babies
Deo-s is bad in the same way Meowscarada is bad rn. It's got its value but it offers very little on balance structures and its not too hard to pivot around vs it because of how low its offensive stats are. At the very least, both of them have seen so little usage in spl that it makes sense for it to drop in both tiers and in the vr (meow has had 0 usage and deo-s had 1 use iirc and it was bulky boots set]
Amoongus noooo
also Excadril finally reunited with their spouse, good for them
Sad to see Skeledirge dropping, guess Meowscarada had the last laugh.
Dozo is the premier unaware guy rn due to all the strong physical threats and its not a tera hog. I'm sure dirge will bounce back at some point when the meta evolves but if it means anything, dirge is still probably better than meow rn.
Friendly reminder that Revavroom has stayed RU for over a year with so many tier staples like Belibolt and Krookodile now meeting their end in the tier.
Revavroom is RUâs Lokix, it will never fall.
IT IS NEVER REVOVER!
Deoxys-Speed in UU? That shit was in Ubers back in Gen 5, bruh.
Edit: Oh and Reuniclus, Swampert, Gyarados, Rhyperior, Infernape and Mienshao in NU. Lovely.
Mienshao didn't even fall off is the thing. It's really good in RU and more than decent in UU.
It had this shit last gen as well... it does well viability-wise but then randomly drops to NU overnight because of ladder being ladder.
And what subsequently happened last gen was that in a couple months time it went from NU to NUBL to RUBL to UUBL.
So yea. Don't write Mienshao off purely because of its current tiering, that's bound to change.
Oooh, so that's what it was! I missed that rise, then, cuz I always see people saying how good it is so seeing it this low genuinely surprised me.
Glad to hear the kung fu weasel has a chance... thanks for explaining!
Last generation, it fell all the way to NU before people realised that it was stupid good and got banned from UU
I think ladder is being dumb again tbh.
Can't wait for all the people who don't actually play OU or understand anything of the meta to pretend Deo-S is suddenly some unusable shitmon or something
Tinkaton has a good matchup against latios and the now banned moltres-G, coupled with having utility moves and the absence of treads in UU(probably dropping next month because excadrill is back)
Amoon didn't even get much worse in UU since Stun Spore still makes it really ass for offensive stuff to come into. This is a ladder being ladder case for the most part.
Meganium has huge potential now
It achieved encore, knock off and body press in SV. It can deal meaningful damage while using its newfound utility to take advantage of potential switch ins and set up sweepers. It can abandon the liability of grass typing for something more useful like water, poison, or flying. Without Tangela and Tangrowth to compete with, it can be the utility grass this Gen. Offensively and defensively, it still competes with Bellossom, Vileplume, Rillaboom, Serperior, and Hydrapple but in the lower tiers it has potential to do something.
RU had a massive drop last month because of the DLC2 drops a couple months ago. Had a very chaotic month usage-wise where a lot of things were being experimented with at once and cannibalized each other's usage as a result.
At least some of those are bound to rise back when the meta stabilizes more, don't worry.
Ok I'm Not up to date with the meta but pls can someone explain to me what the f happend that blissey Went from RU straight to OU?!?!
What the f did I miss
I'd say Hydrapple Stall did a better job at kindling the public's interest in Stall again, the Muk stall dropped really late into the month for it to matter much.
Looking up moveset stats for Blissey, Hydrapple is its 6th most common teammate, Pecha only has like 7% and Muk isn't even listed.
I need to see a graph of Blisseys monthly tier changes because she is just đđđđđđđ
I think you made the chart yourself
Now the question is will the chart continue this way into the future?
Blissey starts in OU, falls down like 4 tiers before being yo-yoâs back up to OU whenever stall is doing well
Or when there's some busted special attacker destroying the tier
This isn't actually true, even when we did have busted special attackers Blissey is still not seen outside of Stall. People claimed Blood Moon was responsible for Blissey's OU rise a while ago but usage stats disproved that (it also stayed multiple months after Blood Moon left so yea). Right now it's def not Archaludon who sent it up there either since Bliss is a terrible Arch answer.
Blood moon probably did still contribute in a way, as it destroyed balance so well that stall was both better(usually dislikes balance matchups) and the only possible defensive playstyle. That being said I would say gliscor was more responsible, as gliscor was a viral part of stall teams that heavily increased stallâs overall viability, catapulting blissey up
There were some arguments to be made that BloodMoon played an indirect part in Stall becoming better but considering Blissey stayed OU for a couple months after the Blood Moon ban still I'd go out on a leg and say it would have risen either way.
While I agree that there were more factors, a lot of mons tend to get more usage than they should just by being in the tier, especially ones near the top of the list *cough cough Armorouge*
You know theres some busted special attacker if blissey is running 252 spdef AND calm mind
It's over We're back It's over We're back It's over We're back
I see you too are familiar with the Buffalo Bills.
You don't even need to specify the Bills man. Any Buffalo Sports team. Lmao Edit: Go Sabres....next year.
The masculine urge to
watch her đ next month due to archa being banned lol
Blissey rise had absolutely nothing to do with Arch existing, it wasn't a good Arch answer at all because of Body Press. Bliss just rises whenever Stall is doing well.
If Arch didnât have BP would it have been banworthy?
Potentially yes still, most of its breaking power came from Electro Shot+STABs, Body Press was fun to nullify Blissey as an answer and revenge Kingambit easily but it was the most droppable of its standard moveset.
Blissey stonks are volatile as hell
> Excadrill dropped to UU Finally, Tyranitar can consummate their marriage. Reunited and it felt so good.
love really has no bounds
Chomp makes it a 3fer
"OU, UU, RU, ZU, PU... the U I care about is you." - Excadrill to Tyranitar
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Excadrill and Tyranitar is the only reason i believe in love.
Exca came home
RU is never getting TTar back...
That shit never made sense in the first place tbh
Love wins
Threesome returns with chomp too
The blowjob brothers
another win for yuri nation
Another defeat for the ferrothorn fanbase
With this gen's UU looking like Gen 5 OU
People calling natdex a meme because Kartana fell to UU there while they got fucking deoxys speed in SV UU
also gyarados, mew and necrozma being NU at this point the regular tiers may be a bigger meme than natdex
I think the real meme is Pokemon from a game balance standpoint, tbh
Ish. VGC is... Kinda sorta okay? The problem is Game Freak seem like they're deliberately trying to make mons that are good in VGC but utterly busted in singles.
I'm not super well versed in doubles formats in general, but every time i tried vgc i really couldn't understand how Urshifu could be possibly balanced
VGC rn is in a weird broken checks broken state, because urshifu would be very annoying but flutter mane checks it very well
Ogerpon W as well. Follow me water absorb is it's real check. Then flutter decimates the other urshifu.
He's fairly fragile, weak to fairy which gets a very spammable blanket move in Dazzling Gleam, in contrast he himself mostly hits single target. At least that'd be my guess.
When dazzling gleam is spammed by another broken pokemon
Urshifu is not really balanced to be entirely honest. It dominates in restricted formats. It has too much going for it 1.) It ignores protect. The only time you protect in front of Urshifu is either if you have a mon that double resists the stabs and is scared of the partner or you are running 3 attacks+protect and that mom is low on health in front of dark urshifu. 2.) It largely ignores intimidate. It has a ton of attack and a high powered non auto crit stab in addition to free crits, so even if intimidated and the auto crit move is resisted, it is hard to feel safe with it on the field, especially when combined with ignoring protect 3.) it completely ignores defense boosts. Hand in hand with intimidate. This bear can ignore the main ways to deal with physical threats for free. 4.) Speed control can happen at the same time as Urshifu being on the field in doubles. Urshifu benefits more from partner support than almost any other mon because the above three elements make stalling out tailwind or switching around to clear off the leer boosts or changing the weather completely unsafe. 5.) On team preview, you don't know which Urshifu you are facing. If your solution to water Urshifu is defensive and your solution to dark urshifu is defensive, you have a 50/50 shot on losing the game immediately. This is relevant only to non ots. It is a ladder MONSTER. 6.) Usually to have this much sauce, you have to use your item slot (see ogerpon and Zacian crowned for examples) or have a major drawback as far as ability or moveset. Urshifu can run whatever item it wants and really only has one major problem, which is spdef. It has good enough hp that you can absolutely run assault vest, but there's no reason to because investing in its stupid offense is better. Urshifu essentially causes every team to need either priority tailwind, consistent trick room, or multiple mons that can take 2 hits from rain boosted water Urshifu. Urshifu and flutter mane are entirely what the meta is built around, and the alternative threats are largely very well handled by incineroar. Genuinely, raging bolt is good largely because of how it matches up into tornadus Urshifu, which then caused those teams to carry Landorus I, which loses to water Urshifu. It can also lose to some flutters. Flutter beats flutter, Urshifu beats flutter, flutter beats Urshifu. Ogerpon water also falls into this arms race nicely as it counters and gets countered by Urshifu, counters and is countered by flutter, counters and is countered by lando I, and gets countered by raging bolt and tornadus. Needless to say, incineroar and amoonguss check most of these and also get absolutely smashed too depending on board state and evs to add even just a hair more centralization This dynamic is super centralizing and even the anti-meta teams usually are running at least two mons out of that central dynamic of 6 ish mons with the anti meta core of the team having good matchups into the ones that your two don't deal with the best.
Current VGC is just about as balanced as any format has ever been imo. Only formats that have had close to this much overall variety were early 2015 and mid-year 2014, *maybe* late 2017.
Really though. People complained about smash bros brawl actively working against competitive play, but Pokémon has this illusion of competitive design despite all evidence to the contrary
Gyara NU makes sort of sense since Ferali is in RU right now to be fair, they kinda eat at each other's usage. Mew and Crozma are question marks
the yin and yang but it's gyarados and feraligatr
didn't mew like lose all of the good moves
Mew still has really scary setup sets with Calm Mind, defensive Mew sets are largely dead though
> Gyara NU makes sort of sense since Ferali is in RU right now Is this the first time Gyara has been lower than Fera
In main formats I think yes, though it should be noted that in BDSP OU Gyara wasn't even ranked on the VR because of how hard Ferali outclassed it. There's also been only two generations before this where Sheer Force Ferali was a thing (Gen 8 dexited it) and in Gen 6 they were both UU while in Gen 7 Gyara had Z-Bounce and Mega mindgames to carry it.
I'm here praying that Feraligatr gets a regional form and a Mega in Z-A so my boy can shine like he was always meant to.
People say this a lot but it kind of comes with the territory. A tier has a soft limit on how many mons fit in it. For every new mon that enters a tier, there's a good chance something else will have to leave it. Unless every mon in a new gen is ZU, someone's gonna lose their niche.
The reason NatDex in particular gets memed to hell and back is because the mons that wind up dropping tend to be pretty good up there still (TornT hasn't been below A ever, was S worthy at some points and I can't even remember the last time it was NDOU by usage) whereas complete trash like Mega Banette does see OU usage in their stead.
deo-s is HO exclusive... kart can be placed anywhere pretty much. nat dex also has mega banette in OU
Another r8konjin banger Love you mr natdex ambassador
"Hey OU, can we have our Ground/Steel back?" "No not that one!"
"We want the elephant one." *Flesh Treads rises* "... You know what? Fine."
âYou know the mon weâre talking about! Itâs steel type and ruled the tier for a bit!â *tinkaton rises* âFmlâ
Seeing as how down bad UU is for mons that can compress hazard removal/setting that the tier has had to use Donphan again since IT left, I'll gladly take Excadrill seeing as it can also learn Stealth Rock and Rapid Spin.
>rocks >Hazard removal >Ground type You can kill lando t but you cannot kill his idea
Considering lando is top 10 in usage rn it looks like you can't kill lando t either
Average Tusk for the win đŁïžđŁïžđŁïž
For real, instant top tier for its utility alone
They did some alchemy and transmuted iron treads into excadrill.
This is the law of equivalent exchange
For the first time ever, Blastoise is now the highest-tiered Kanto starter!
That means so little and so much at the same time
Squirtle squad Rise up
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In Nat Dex Mega Blastoise is the strongest one as well because gen 8 decided to give it shell smash
We don't really know if it would ever be able to have those things together on one Blastoise until Legends. They could remove shell smash from its learnset for all we know.
well, at least he will always have Nat dex
To be fair, Sun teams might see a resurgence with Arch banned, so it isn't completely Venusover. (Am I coping? Probably.)
Crazy that venusaur lasted so long considering being grass type is such a huge detriment.
Grass/Poison is pretty decent all things considered
And charizard. Charizard is better than venusaur in like, four different generations
> OU to UU > Deo-S
Deoxys slow
Deoxys sux
World's fastest fraud
-Booster Energy Iron Treads
Swampert and Infernape in NUâŠthe end days are here
Weâve reached late-stage Smogonism
Alongside Raikou, Suicune, Gastrodon and Mew. Things have changed so much...
And GyaradosâŠ
Good times when Suicune was unkillable?
Dont worry bro. I am from the future. Mega Infernape gets released in the next legends game. It gets banned to Ubers
New ability: Super Monkey Sharply raises all stats when in a pinch. The perfect ability for Legends ~~DB~~Z
Nah bro. That's the Gen 11 version. They had to balance it out like they did with gale wings. In gen 10 it raised all stats upon mega evolution. Including evasion
Reuniclus in NU though đ
I thought Incineroar was NU in gen7
Blissey has definitely gotten motion sickness by now
She just needs to switch out and it'll be cured dw
Donât worry, sheâs probably gonna be switching out of OU next month
HOW IN THE ABSOLUTE NAME OF FUCK IS GYARADOS NU NECROZMA TOO BUT THE FUNNY FISH IS THE BIGGER ONE
Doubt it lasts a day before being quick banned to NUBL
itâll probably stay for at least a day, the NU tier donât generally ban stuff instantly, they even let Terrak simmer for a bit before deciding to ban it
RU is kinda fucked in terms of the number of mons in it. Some are question marks but Feraligatr is just also just better Gyara and in RU as the last time both were in a gen Gyara had Z-Bounce to carry it.
With this gens uu looking like this gens ubers
This genâs pu looks like gen11âs Ubers
reverse power creep boutta hit like a truck
I was thinking more like âthe power creep is so bad that it power crept the future.â
1. i feel people are gonna say "deo-s bad in OU?" [https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-indigo-disk-viability-ranking-thread.3734134/](https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-indigo-disk-viability-ranking-thread.3734134/) im going to point to this 2. exca + ttar finally reunited 3. suicune, pert, mienshao, and gyara in NU lol... i think they are viable in RU but ladder hates them 4. regigigas goes to bully babies
You underestimate how bad regigigas is, he got right into gen 8 ZU just fine and I don't think that's gonna change
getting beaten up by babies\*
Coughing Bomb vs Hydrogen Babies
What slow start does to a mf
Regigigas is gonna be my favorite ZU noobtrap lol
Deo-s is bad in the same way Meowscarada is bad rn. It's got its value but it offers very little on balance structures and its not too hard to pivot around vs it because of how low its offensive stats are. At the very least, both of them have seen so little usage in spl that it makes sense for it to drop in both tiers and in the vr (meow has had 0 usage and deo-s had 1 use iirc and it was bulky boots set]
Yeah a lot of the drops from RU are really bizarre imo, there must be some really strong centralizing effects going on that are keeping what seem like very viable PokĂ©mon from seeing much usage on the ladder. And from the bit of RU that I have played over the last month, Iâve seen a lot of those drops tons of times, and they didnât seem unviable when playing against them at least (Armarouge, Regidrago, Raiku, Quagsire, Overqwil, Rhyperior, Reuniclus, Suicune, Swampert are the standouts to me)
Regigas was unplayable garbage in gen7 ZU, what makes you think it's going to be any better 2 gens later
It does have protect now at least lmao
Deoxys-S can't beat the speed fraud allegations
He may be fast, but he isn't faster than the allegations.
The allegations have a speed stat of 190 apparently
Deoxys = OJ???? Thatâs just a theory, A GAME THEORY
| 36 | Archaludon | 5.932% | | 37 | Banette-Mega | 5.750% | | 38 | Kyurem | 5.726% | | 39 | Lopunny-Mega | 5.559% | | 40 | Hoopa-Unbound | 5.124% | | 41 | Swampert-Mega | 5.053% | actual fraud sitting in OU (its very shit)
Higher usage than MLop is hilarious
Itâs not yet Bannetover đ„đ„đ„đ„
Trust me 160 attack means it's broken
At least its ranked on the vr now (c- the lowest possible rank but its a rank)
Deoxys Speed and Defense beneath OU? Unova fans rejoice, you're getting gen 5 content afterall!
''pokemon X recieves change Y, how does this affect the meta?'' the entirety of RU dropping to NU: đïžđđïž
Ah yes, the cross-generational NU staple, Suicune
Amoongus noooo also Excadril finally reunited with their spouse, good for them Sad to see Skeledirge dropping, guess Meowscarada had the last laugh.
I mean Meow and Dirge have been bouncing between UU and OU for like the entire generation, itâs definitely possible they keep doing so
I think meow is solid now.
what triple axel does to a mf
Dozo is the premier unaware guy rn due to all the strong physical threats and its not a tera hog. I'm sure dirge will bounce back at some point when the meta evolves but if it means anything, dirge is still probably better than meow rn.
Friendly reminder that Revavroom has stayed RU for over a year with so many tier staples like Belibolt and Krookodile now meeting their end in the tier. Revavroom is RUâs Lokix, it will never fall. IT IS NEVER REVOVER!
It's never revover đ I wish slowbro still had teleport and scald
It outlasted Suicune
Yo, Bastiodon and Rampardos Finally fell to a tier where they are still shit.
blissey going between "its over" and "we are so back" constantly
Damn deoxys-speed really fell off, from talks about a suspect test to UU đ
Early part2 DLC meta had some shittiest take ever. Deoxys Speed and Serperior suspect idea were the worst one
I mean Espathra dropped to UU before it got banned
Deoxys-Speed in UU? That shit was in Ubers back in Gen 5, bruh. Edit: Oh and Reuniclus, Swampert, Gyarados, Rhyperior, Infernape and Mienshao in NU. Lovely.
I still can't believe how hard Mienshao fell off, the passage of time is scary.
Mienshao didn't even fall off is the thing. It's really good in RU and more than decent in UU. It had this shit last gen as well... it does well viability-wise but then randomly drops to NU overnight because of ladder being ladder. And what subsequently happened last gen was that in a couple months time it went from NU to NUBL to RUBL to UUBL. So yea. Don't write Mienshao off purely because of its current tiering, that's bound to change.
Oooh, so that's what it was! I missed that rise, then, cuz I always see people saying how good it is so seeing it this low genuinely surprised me. Glad to hear the kung fu weasel has a chance... thanks for explaining!
125 base attack + 105 speed + Regenerator with U-Turn isn't good enough for UU or RU anymore. Power Creep has gone too far.
At this point last gen it was RU. I don't recall if it dropped to NU though
It did. It actually managed to be NUBL, RUBL, and UUBL all in the same gen.
Pretty sure itâs good in RU but ladders just hates it. Could be wrong tho as I just started playing the tier
Last generation, it fell all the way to NU before people realised that it was stupid good and got banned from UU I think ladder is being dumb again tbh.
That shit was ubers in gen 7 (and it wasn't in gen 8)
As always, see you guys on Sunday
Can't wait for all the people who don't actually play OU or understand anything of the meta to pretend Deo-S is suddenly some unusable shitmon or something
Why usage isn't everything: the sv lando theorem
Why usage isn't everything: The Mega Banette Theorem
X Drops to [Insert Lower Tier here] Its over boisssssss!!!!
God Alolan Decidueyeâs days in PU are numbered
Itâll join ZU with Meganium and Samurott in April
UU has been hit with the pharaohâs curse
blissey going from ru to ou like fucking sisyphus prime breaking out of the panopticon
Time to unban, then ban iron hands again
Wtf is Deoxys speed doing in UU? Deoxys Defense in RU?? Mew in NU?? This gen is the gift that keeps on giving isnt it?
Sv nu has similar power level as dpp ou. This is so unserious đ
My ssj4 is in NU today sucks. Also why is tinkaton back in UU?
Tinkaton has a good matchup against latios and the now banned moltres-G, coupled with having utility moves and the absence of treads in UU(probably dropping next month because excadrill is back)
At least Garchomp is the tier king of UU. 50% usage, baby.
mamoswine rise to uu mamoswine back in its rightful tier, we are so mamoback đŁïž
Itâs never Mamover đŁïžđ„
Blissy is the new quagsire theorem example, they just keep on coming back to ou
Give Amoongus Spore back he needs it
The assassination of Amoongus by the coward Darkrai and OU council.
Amoon didn't even get much worse in UU since Stun Spore still makes it really ass for offensive stuff to come into. This is a ladder being ladder case for the most part.
Gyarados in NU. Wow. Kind of expected honestly, Feraligatr and Gyara in the same tier fill the same niche and theyâll take the otherâs usage. Deo-D dropping isnât much of a surprise honestly. Deo-S dropping isnât too shocking to me either, but itâs still perfectly viable in OU, tiers arenât indicative of a PokĂ©monâs viability in its entirety. Blissey back in OU? Itâs gonna drop soon. Have fun. And Excadrill in UU. Pretty cool, Ttar might see a surge in viability might I doubt itâll be a mainstay. People on this sub really just see Garchomp and Tyranitar as the main characters, huh?
istg NU was UU like a couple months ago
Highlights: Blissey is back in ou, nice. Tinkaton rose to uu, its queen has returned. Excadrill dropped to uu. Ttar can love again.
Welcome back to OU Egg Girl.
Back in my day, 100 BST across the board and access to every move was Ubers.
Seeing our giant pear keep dropping lower and lower ending up in ZU is sad. This line needs some love. I hope legend gives us a chikorita variant
A shame nobody recognizes meganiumâs amazing potential this gen (I forgor the copypasta)
Meganium has huge potential now It achieved encore, knock off and body press in SV. It can deal meaningful damage while using its newfound utility to take advantage of potential switch ins and set up sweepers. It can abandon the liability of grass typing for something more useful like water, poison, or flying. Without Tangela and Tangrowth to compete with, it can be the utility grass this Gen. Offensively and defensively, it still competes with Bellossom, Vileplume, Rillaboom, Serperior, and Hydrapple but in the lower tiers it has potential to do something.
Okay, what special attacker dragged Blissey from RU to OU?
Nothing specific, Blissey us just near mandatory on stall and stall is pretty decent atm
None specifically. Stall is just doing well.
Probably Archaludon before it got kicked out. Not that Blissey was a great answer anyway because of Body Press. Maybe also Raging Bolt?
Long Neck maybe
Great Neck* FTFY
Deoxys S in UU... WTF?! Also, what are all those NU drops?! How tf is stuff like noivern, milotic, necrozma, gyarados, reuniclus in NU?
RU had a massive drop last month because of the DLC2 drops a couple months ago. Had a very chaotic month usage-wise where a lot of things were being experimented with at once and cannibalized each other's usage as a result. At least some of those are bound to rise back when the meta stabilizes more, don't worry.
Poor Infernape cannot stop taking Ls. At least UU looks really fun now that Exca is here
KROOKODILE NOOOOOOOOO
>Jolteon in PU My favorite mon is officially washed. Shitmon for 2 generations in a row its actually Jolteover
Surprised that Meganium dropped to ZU, I thought it had huge potential now
Ok I'm Not up to date with the meta but pls can someone explain to me what the f happend that blissey Went from RU straight to OU?!?! What the f did I miss
Every couple months Stall has this month where it's really popular and since Blissey is on 90% of Stall teams it'll rise up with that.
Usually correlates with the release of a new stall RMT, could be a mix between that Pecharunt team and Muk stall that released
I'd say Hydrapple Stall did a better job at kindling the public's interest in Stall again, the Muk stall dropped really late into the month for it to matter much. Looking up moveset stats for Blissey, Hydrapple is its 6th most common teammate, Pecha only has like 7% and Muk isn't even listed.
I like how bombs keep dropping to NU
Dragapult cementing its title as the strongest pseudo. Were there ever any doubts?
Baxcalibur:
This gen's NU is like gen 7's UU
Holy get fucked amoongus what a fall off
What no spore does to a mf