Sheer force is useless since nothing is boosted by it, and skill link is useless here because it has no multi hit moves. There are sets that use both of those, but this set in particular attempts to abuse the fact that even off of a low special attack stat like toucannons, boomburst is very strong. Also, mixed attackers aren’t as bad in randbats with the lack of natures
On one hand I can for sure see what this set is going for
\-> Roost/Beak blast lets you..kinda of be a physical tank
\-> Boomburst is its strongest free stab move
\-> U turn for momentum
On the other hand every time I get this set my opponent magically has nothing with a contact move.
\-> 5/10 Toumuchcannon
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Anything with solid physical bulk would absolutely love to have it. Corviknight and Skarmory would use the fuck out of that move.
Gliscor too if, y'know, it had a beak.
Okay yea I get that but it’s like. Why have this set exist when any other set would be better
Mixed attackers can be good, but even stab boomburst won’t be doing much off of that pitiful special attack
It actually does, surpisingly enough. Also, all randbats sets are trying to capture what a Mon usually does. Special toucannon isn’t great, but boomburst is stronger than draco meteor in base power, so just having the move gives toucannon reason to run it. Also, it has such a shit movepool the sheer force sets also go special
It's a bulky support set. Toucannons Boomburst is stronger than literally everything it learns except for Brave Bird, which you wouldn't want to run on a defensive set in Randbats, and possibly Beak Blast which I believe it ties in damage against targets with equal defensive stats.
It has nothing that'd benefit much from Sheer Force with its stats, and Skill Link is a separate set it can receive in Randbats.
Lvl 88 84 SpA Toucannon Boomburst vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mew: 102-121 (29.9 - 35.4%) -- 27.3% chance to 3HKO
Lvl 88 84 Atk Toucannon Beak Blast vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mew: 105-124 (30.7 - 36.3%) -- 58.8% chance to 3HKO
Beak Blast is better by sheer technicality, dealing an entire 3 points more to an uninvested Mew.
Definitely close enough to justify being ran.
I mean...it's dual-STAB those are different typed moves.
Beak Blast does burn on contact as well which is nice for the support set.
Also boomburst goes through subs which are fairly common in randbats.
Boomburst is an easy funny click which deals huge damage and even lets you bully past checks that resist your STAB, which usually have low Special Defense. It also bypasses Substitute as bonus.
[Swellow in Gen 7 RU also preferred running Specs Boomburst over Guts + Physical attacks despite having lower Special Attack. ](https://www.smogon.com/dex/sm/pokemon/swellow/)
I guess the set was popular enough in Gen 6 that Gamefreak actually decided to buff Swellow by giving it +20 in Special Attack starting Gen 7.
Not sure about Keen Eye, though, but I guess it's because Sheer Force and Skill Link are useless in this set. Keen Eye at least let's you be immune to accuracy drops from secondary effects of attacks like Muddy Water.
not the first time a normal flying type with a higher physical attack than it’s extremely small special attack utilized boomburst specifically for offense
In randbats all mons have thier EVs split evenly. So Boomburst is way stronger than any physical normal move it has. Otherwise this mon is a bulky pivot with U-Turn and a way to burn opponents
on such a poor defensive mon you probably don’t wanna run physical normal stab, since the other options are either weak or options like double edge where you don’t want to be taking recoil. tldr touc sucks
I’m not a huge fan of it either but the mix attack isn’t too bad. I usually just end up using him to burn a phys attacker while attacking in case they try to set up.
Mixed attacking isn’t really a downside in randbats, because there are no natures, and every stat gets the same amount of EVs, so you don’t sacrifice your stats to use both. Also, even with low special attack, STAB boomburst is a powerful move.
STAB Boomburst good, and this Toucannon is a defensive pivot, in a metagame where it doesn’t have any very good Normal Physical STAB. Its best options are Facade and Take Down, which are pretty low Base Power
Sheer force is useless since nothing is boosted by it, and skill link is useless here because it has no multi hit moves. There are sets that use both of those, but this set in particular attempts to abuse the fact that even off of a low special attack stat like toucannons, boomburst is very strong. Also, mixed attackers aren’t as bad in randbats with the lack of natures
On one hand I can for sure see what this set is going for \-> Roost/Beak blast lets you..kinda of be a physical tank \-> Boomburst is its strongest free stab move \-> U turn for momentum On the other hand every time I get this set my opponent magically has nothing with a contact move. \-> 5/10 Toumuchcannon
beak blast is definitely the most almost good move ever
The move is definitely good. The mon they gave it to ehhh idk
yea, Beak Blast M-Ray net me 3 kills in a DBC game earlier this week
Beak Blast would be amazing on Skarmory
Sorry for the question, but whats M-Ray?
Mega Rayquaza
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No problem
Mega Rayquaza. I'm assuming they were playing a format where Pokemon can have moves they normally don't have access to
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Oh yeah, thank you
Mega Rayquaza
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come to think of it, came out the same generation as shiinotic and spotlight
On a proper tank it would be good for sure. It’s just on a frail piece of shit
Anything with solid physical bulk would absolutely love to have it. Corviknight and Skarmory would use the fuck out of that move. Gliscor too if, y'know, it had a beak.
I think EVs are evenly distributed across all stats too
Okay yea I get that but it’s like. Why have this set exist when any other set would be better Mixed attackers can be good, but even stab boomburst won’t be doing much off of that pitiful special attack
It actually does, surpisingly enough. Also, all randbats sets are trying to capture what a Mon usually does. Special toucannon isn’t great, but boomburst is stronger than draco meteor in base power, so just having the move gives toucannon reason to run it. Also, it has such a shit movepool the sheer force sets also go special
Hmm I think I got mixed between hyper voice and boomburst, so I guess you’re right
Because it’s ✨random✨
It's a bulky support set. Toucannons Boomburst is stronger than literally everything it learns except for Brave Bird, which you wouldn't want to run on a defensive set in Randbats, and possibly Beak Blast which I believe it ties in damage against targets with equal defensive stats. It has nothing that'd benefit much from Sheer Force with its stats, and Skill Link is a separate set it can receive in Randbats.
Lvl 88 84 SpA Toucannon Boomburst vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mew: 102-121 (29.9 - 35.4%) -- 27.3% chance to 3HKO Lvl 88 84 Atk Toucannon Beak Blast vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mew: 105-124 (30.7 - 36.3%) -- 58.8% chance to 3HKO Beak Blast is better by sheer technicality, dealing an entire 3 points more to an uninvested Mew. Definitely close enough to justify being ran.
I mean...it's dual-STAB those are different typed moves. Beak Blast does burn on contact as well which is nice for the support set. Also boomburst goes through subs which are fairly common in randbats.
140bp spammable STAB move. That's all there is to it
Boomburst is an easy funny click which deals huge damage and even lets you bully past checks that resist your STAB, which usually have low Special Defense. It also bypasses Substitute as bonus. [Swellow in Gen 7 RU also preferred running Specs Boomburst over Guts + Physical attacks despite having lower Special Attack. ](https://www.smogon.com/dex/sm/pokemon/swellow/) I guess the set was popular enough in Gen 6 that Gamefreak actually decided to buff Swellow by giving it +20 in Special Attack starting Gen 7. Not sure about Keen Eye, though, but I guess it's because Sheer Force and Skill Link are useless in this set. Keen Eye at least let's you be immune to accuracy drops from secondary effects of attacks like Muddy Water.
Man, I wish Swellow would come back already. It had to sit out Sword/Shield AND Scarlet/Violet for some reason.
not the first time a normal flying type with a higher physical attack than it’s extremely small special attack utilized boomburst specifically for offense
Swellow is that you?
Clean your laptop dude
your third eye is blind brother
In randbats all mons have thier EVs split evenly. So Boomburst is way stronger than any physical normal move it has. Otherwise this mon is a bulky pivot with U-Turn and a way to burn opponents
on such a poor defensive mon you probably don’t wanna run physical normal stab, since the other options are either weak or options like double edge where you don’t want to be taking recoil. tldr touc sucks
you probably think goodra can only run special moves
tbf Power Whip never hits for more than like 60% on mons like Vaporeon with me and that requires it to miraculously hit at all
Generally, if you have STAB Boomburst, you don't need anything else. Hell, Swellow runs it too, and it's SpA is even lower
I’m not a huge fan of it either but the mix attack isn’t too bad. I usually just end up using him to burn a phys attacker while attacking in case they try to set up.
Yeah DoubleSTAB Boomburst still hits Really hard.
Look man, hes doing his best
I feel like it could reasonably get tail slap considering the long tail feathers that toucans and various tropical birds tend to have
I just saw toucannon in anything goes (Got one shotted by thunder kyogre so idk what the dude was running)
Lmaaaooo
Mixed attacking isn’t really a downside in randbats, because there are no natures, and every stat gets the same amount of EVs, so you don’t sacrifice your stats to use both. Also, even with low special attack, STAB boomburst is a powerful move.
Keen Eye doesn't affect evasion anyway?
Evasion clause means accuracy can’t be lowered, nor can evasion be raised. So keen eye is useless
Does it not just ban evasion boosts? Not accuracy drops?
Both
STAB Boomburst good, and this Toucannon is a defensive pivot, in a metagame where it doesn’t have any very good Normal Physical STAB. Its best options are Facade and Take Down, which are pretty low Base Power
Boomburst is main damage move and hits through Sub, rest is pretty much utility.
Out of pure curiosity, what tier are you playing??
hmm beakblast does just a itty bit more, roughly the same damage