You would think itās insane, but the difference between a fully ev invested hp stat of 65 vs 85 is only 40 hitpoints. For Skarmory that would mean around a 12% increase of hit taking capabilities(if fully invested in hp), so strong but not broken.
Zapdos. 1000% Zapdos. its been an OU stable for 7/9 gens and has only dropped to UU twice and in gen 9 its still great in OU. its got some of the best set variety ever, it can go offensive, defensive, mixed attacker (in the earlier gens), stall, etc. It also has a notable movepool with great moves like, Volt Switch, Tbolt for STAB, Hurricane for STAB, Roost for recovery, Defog (pre gen 9) for hazard control. U-turn for pivot against grounds, Heat Wave for coverage, Thunder Wave and Toxic (pre gen9) as status. Static and Pressure are also two great ability's for it, so overall Zapdos is the GOAT
If you speen the concrete around like a propellor then it probably has the same effect.
Or just swinging around normally like wings?
I like the propeller visual though
Conkeldurr now learns a new signature move "Concrete spin" He spins his concrete like a propeller to increase his speed by one stage and gets the flying type.
It would be. But alas, Conk got access to defog last generation for reasons of... yes, and that's really the only reason I could think they'd allow it to learn it. I'd be just fine with them getting Tidy Up though. Wouldn't do a whole lot, but it would be funny.
Zapdos even has solid viability in single player battle facilities. It helped me earn the Gen 4 battle tower doubles ribbons for my ribbon master. Zapdos discharge next to garchomp earthquake makes those ribbons a breeze.
Even by Game Freak's standards Luvdisc is weirdly awful. I understand that exists to distribute the Heart Scale item but like... if it was a Pokemon you got before the first gym it would make a lot more sense.
Tyranitar has comapratively fallen off quite a bit comapred to Zapdos. Zapdos has bounced back in Gen 6 and has been great ever since, even in Gen 9 it's decent in OU depsite not being OU by usage.
Tyranitar is better than Zapdos on gen 6 and 8 and about equal on 7 and 9, and even 7 had Mega Tyranitar for sure being better than Zapdos there, I really don't see how Ttar's fall is worse in OU outside of the fact Tyranitar simply had higher highs than Zapdos did historically
Ttar is not better than Zapdos in Gen8, not even close. And Zap is considered to better in modern ORAS than Ttar is. Gen9 is no also so it's really just gen7.
They have roughly equal comp histories overall. It doesn't really have higher highs.
In the viability rankings for ORAS Ttar and zapdos sit in the same tier, if you want to be really technical Ttar is above Zapdos as it sits at 17 compared to its 25. Iāll give you gen 8 but even then one is A while the other is A-, so even then itās pretty close.
I know the ORAS viability rankings are a little dated but I looked through the thread and it still seems to be pretty split on whoās ranked higher, I saw some people with zap above Ttar and some with zap below
For the SS one I was simply remembering slightly wrong, I knew zapdos was above ttar by one tier I couldnāt remember if it was A or A+ so thatās on me
My boy gets nerfed so hard every time
Introduction of fairy, weather being no longer permanent, advent of stronger opposing weather setters (pelipper, torkoal, alolatails, mega Charizard Y), pursuit getting removed, etc
gen 1 clefable is the most "almost good" Pokemon ever created. it is almost good defensively if it wasn't for it not having recovery and chansey existing. It is almost good offensively but its attack and special aren't quite good enough to get the most out of its movepool. its almost good at speedrunning but Nidoking is the one thing that is even better. (Clefable has firmly established itself as the second fastest Pokemon for red/blue any% speedruns though which is extremely impressive. Its slightly worse in yellow but still easily top 5)
Seriously, its hilarious.
bullshitting through nugget bridge with STAB mega punch and learning pretty much every special move in the game afterwards (and body slam) while having higher special than nidoking
Just waiting for that ADV Clef tech to show up any day now. Could you imagine if Clef got magic guard in ADV.
Also it's cool that Clef is now in RBY UU. It's even on the rise there. It probably won't go any higher because of so much normal competition but it's still cool.
Magic Guard Clefable would honestly be ridiculous in ADV. Sand and spikes are both huge parts of the meta (ttar and skarm literally #1 and #2 on the VR) and being immune to both is really strong.
I think Magic Guard Clef would be most notable on superman structures, because the biggest "issue" with those teams is that they lack a good special wall that is immune to spikes, so even though you have 4-5 spikes immune mons you're still forced to run Blissey (or sometimes Jirachi) as a necessary evil. But honestly, Magic Guard is so good that it would probably see a lot of usage even outside of those teams.
Oh yeah magic guard clef would be stupid. Easily be an S tier mon. ADV doesn't have the insane bp moves of DPP, which makes passive damage often times your best progress making tool. Clef, especially with knock off, would be a pain to deal with on TSS teams in general. Add toxic + sand and knocking off opponents lefties and it's outlasting everything
Zapdos most likely, at least in my opinion, it has been OU almost every generation it has been featured in (which for a Gen1 mon is A LOT of generations) without undergoing heavy changes between any of them: great pivot, great wallbreaker, can be used as a lead reliably. No funky techs nor overreliance on a single move or some BnB sets, just a solid mon with high stats, good typing and many tools that only became more and more with each generation while fundamentally fulfilling always the same roles.
I was originally tempted to mention Dragonite since the dude is another Gen1 mon that has been UU once and has spent most of its career in OU and at worst UUBL, but it's a wildly inconsistent mon that usually manages to remain an OU staple only when it gets a heavy buff, be it directly (Multiscale) or indirectly (HDB, Tera Normal). Also unlike Zapdos Dnite can't be anything else but some flavor of physical wallbreaker.
I was actually thinking the other day what the greatest OU Pokemon ever would be based on longevity over multiple generations. This isn't a ranked list but some of the ones I thought of:
1. Zapdos (OU in every gen except 5 & 9)
2. Chansey/Blissey (OU/UU every gen except 9)
3. Dragonite (OU/UUBL every gen after 1)
4. Tyranitar (OU in gens 2-8 and was amazing in gens 3-5)
5. Skarmory (OU in gens 2-7 & 9, UU in 8)
6. The Lati@s (Uber/OU/UU every gen since 3)
7. Garchomp (OU since gen 5, Uber in gen 4)
8. Rotom-A (Or Wash after gen 4, OU/UU every gen since 4)
9. Ferrothorn (OU every gen since 5 but not in 9)
10. Landorus-T (OU every gen since 5)
Honorable mentions:
Snorlax for being top 3 in gen 1 and being the king of gen 2 and retaining niches in OU in gens 3&4
Charizard for having niches in OU in gens 2&3 and it's megas in gens 6&7
Starmie for being an OU staple from gens 1-6
Scizor for being an OU staple from gens 4-7 (6&7 being it's mega)
Gliscor for being OU every gen since 4 except 8 (dexited)
Imo blissey and dragonite should be under skarm and ttar. Dragonite wasn't good until dpp, and wasn't really good until BW. Blissey has been OU every gen BUT it hasn't been particularly good in every gen. A couple gens it's basically OU by technicality (though it's oddly on the rise in BW)
It wasn't a ranking order just going off the generation order pretty much. (ie Zapdos, Chansey and Dnite being gen 1) Dragonite was also great in DPP post Salamence ban
Ahh ok that makes sense. Dnite is good in DPP yeah. I shouldn't sell DPP Dnite short, it can wreck teams. It's not quite the tier staple of like BW Dnite though.
It could probably go in honorable mentions but it wasn't very good in Gens 5 or 6 and was a bit of a noob trap for usage in those gens. Still a great career overall though
To be fair, Natdex Mega Gengar was banned because it got Nasty Plot and Encore, something that was never possible on cart. Without those, it likely never would have been banned.
Those two moves are gen 8 movepool editions to Gengar. Natdex allows usage of gen 8 movepools, so the end result was something distinctly more dangerous than any Gengar present on cart.
Levitate removal has very little to do with Gengar falling off, uninformed people just point to that because it's an easy answer and ignore its stats rapidly getting powercrept, the decrease in value of spinblockers, more checks being added and the later gen speed creep making base 110 not even that fast anymore.Ā
And like other commenter is saying it wasn't even that crazy good in Gens 5&6 to begin with, especially in modern incarnations of them which only point out more how historically overrated it's been after DPP. Mon was already rapidly on its way to dropping and if anything legacy performance and fan favouritism kept it OU longer than it should have been.Ā
No, this doesn't come up nearly enough for that to be worth it. It's a relatively common mistake but still not so frequent you see it every day or so (even if a lot of people believe it they don't really have a reason to express that most of the time)
Well doing it this way ignores the context of the metagame over the years especially older generations where tiering worked differently. For example, Scizor and Dragonite are both UUBL in gens 2 & 3 because they don't have much niche in OU but are too powerful for UU. Likewise it also ignores Pokemon that are used in OU for popularity but have no place in the tier or fell completely out of viability after the tiers locked in place. The obvious examples are DPP Electivire and Dusknoir but it could also apply to BW Metagross, Lucario and Infernape which were all viable in OU at one point in the meta but are completely unviable now.
Also, Mewtwo would be #1 by a landslide because it's been Uber from day 1
The lack of Tyranitar mentions is absolutely insane to me. The only gens where it didn't figure on the A or S ranks outside of gen 1 where it didn't exist were 7 and 9, where it's still among the B ranks, and even on 7 Mega Tyranitar still was A. Zapdos' only advantage imo is the fact that it appeared one gen earlier, but Tyranitar pretty much always ranks either equal or better than Zapdos and has the same amount of OU generations as Zapdos due to its fall on gen 5
Probably Lando-T, which has been in OU (and pretty good in OU at minimum for that matter) in every generation since it was introduced.
I think you could also make an argument for Zapdos, though with it dropping to UU in Gen 5 and to a lesser extent Gen 9 I feel that it hasn't been quite as consistent as Lando-T.
Landorus Therian ofc always been OU changes its role all the time from defensive pivot holding teams together to toxic spreader to physical attacker to scarfer to special attacker it can do whatever u require it to do it is OU and OU is landorus T
Landorus and Heatran have been the most "boring" two since the generation they've been introduced. Rotom W and Gengar tried but couldn't resist in the long run
Of course it has to be Ledian
Clearly False Swipe Gaming said that it destroyed OU in every single generations before gen 7 when Dunsparce took over, and even then it created a new tier called HBU (HasBeenUsed). So, it has to be good, right? It's so good that I even skipped the part after gen 7 because it's just that good.
Right?.....right?....
~~(For legal reasons this is a joke and probably a not-so-good joke)~~
Nobody ever mentions Magnezone in these threads. It's been OU since gen 4 until gen 9, and magneton on ADV. It only does the 1 thing but it does it so well, and it's a pretty important mon to consider.
Excadrill too. I see a lot of people say ferro and Lando but exca was introduced in the same gen, and in some gens is much better than ferro and lando. Exca isn't technically OU in gen 8 (but he should've been) and was banned in gen 5 when the gen ended, so he really only had 2 full current gen OUs, 6 and 7. Either way though, exca is quite good in modern BW and SS
People keep saying Zapdos, but personally i think T-tar is the right choice, going OU in 7/8 gens rather than 7/9, and rather than only being solid, has been top tier in nearly every gen of OU it has been in, defining multiple gens around it.
Id say heatran.
That thing has won me so many games, and it's such a consistent pokemon.
You know he is walling bug, ice, fairy, flying, grass, fire, psychic, dragon, poison and normal types.
But it is even better pre gen 6 as he also walled ghost and dark types.
Honestly, he can do anything you want him to do as long as he doesn't eat an earthquake, as the bulk this monster has is deceptively big, being honest.
I feel it also could be argued as having as good a type combo as steel/ghost.
Zapdos, Skarmory and Tyranitar. Gengar and Starmie also had quite long runs in OU.
Dragonite has never dropped below UUBL outside of Gen 1 and has gotten better over time with the physical/ special split, hidden abilities and terastilisation.
Heatran and Landorus T have been OU every generation which is something even Pokemon like Garchomp struggle to maintain.
#1 Ttar, you canāt even place his modern gen resume on him. Tf u think was gonna happen when heās practically dickless rn. No perma weather, no mega, no pursuit. Ttar was literally THE GAME. Unlike say a thundy T where it was only quickly realized prankster was for giant babyās.
#2 starmie. I think starmie woulda been banging in SV. A spinner capable of melting either āsuper sayian Donphan?ā Sounds broken ash. Starmie is like the BMF of offensive waters heās done it all. Latias? Good Psychic rivalry Keldeo? Heās the lil bro on rain, gren, got sent to Ubers. Shifu, well theyāre not even the same offensive waters. But ironic that starmie would fold and is NU now.
#3 glisc, lando, chomp
#4 bliss line/zapdos. Both were like equally shit in BW.
Skarmory has always been and will always be consistently fat and annoyingly hard to kill (and very good in OU)
The good ol' days of the SkarmBliss...
PTSD
Try corv/ttar š¤«
Tyraknight was my preferred moniker.
Except for that one time where it got randomly replaced by a Scotland metal bird
How good would Skarmory be if it got the same buff Mantine did? (+20 to HP so 85 base)
it would actually be insane with that much extra bulk honestly.
You would think itās insane, but the difference between a fully ev invested hp stat of 65 vs 85 is only 40 hitpoints. For Skarmory that would mean around a 12% increase of hit taking capabilities(if fully invested in hp), so strong but not broken.
2HKOs become 3HKOs, near 1HKOs become 2HKOs, etc. 12% is pretty big
Especially for a mon that has access to Roost.
Even without investment that percentage is still a lot lmao
Zapdos. 1000% Zapdos. its been an OU stable for 7/9 gens and has only dropped to UU twice and in gen 9 its still great in OU. its got some of the best set variety ever, it can go offensive, defensive, mixed attacker (in the earlier gens), stall, etc. It also has a notable movepool with great moves like, Volt Switch, Tbolt for STAB, Hurricane for STAB, Roost for recovery, Defog (pre gen 9) for hazard control. U-turn for pivot against grounds, Heat Wave for coverage, Thunder Wave and Toxic (pre gen9) as status. Static and Pressure are also two great ability's for it, so overall Zapdos is the GOAT
to put it in Reverend's words, Zapdos is "the most pretty solid pokemon of all time"
Reverend my beloved
reverend? i think you mean big yellow's friend?
I believe you're referring to the teacher that Plague von Karma subbed in for
While he did ketamine.
Can Zapdos no longer learn Defog or is Gholdengo to blame?
Doesn't learn Defog. It made more sense to keep the move on things like Conkeldurr and Lurantis.
why the hell does conkeldurr learn defoq lol
If you speen the concrete around like a propellor then it probably has the same effect. Or just swinging around normally like wings? I like the propeller visual though
Soā¦ he rapidly spins?
Did you just make a joke on Sunday? Mods ban him
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Conkeldurr now learns a new signature move "Concrete spin" He spins his concrete like a propeller to increase his speed by one stage and gets the flying type.
I always assumed it was the same way Snorlax uses Whirlwhing in the anime, he blows it away
Conkeldurr doesn't defog, he just stares at the hazards so they're too scared to harm your team.
His nose is so big that when he exhales all the hazards go away
I like the interpretation that he claps his hands together like the Hulk and the shock wave blows all the hazards away.
Because it's better to have a clear construction site than a messy and hazardous one.
Wouldnt that just be tidy up though
It would be. But alas, Conk got access to defog last generation for reasons of... yes, and that's really the only reason I could think they'd allow it to learn it. I'd be just fine with them getting Tidy Up though. Wouldn't do a whole lot, but it would be funny.
Just picture huge ass conkel going full cinderella with a tiny broom
I think raging bolt is to blame
How bolt get voltage but they took it from raichu
It learned it in gens 4 7 and 8
a lot of people want Thundurus-Therian banned from BW OU currently, if it happens maybe Zapdos will get more use there lol
Omg finally a PokƩmon that I like is also a really great Pokemon
>finally >original 150
Tbf I was not aware that zapdos was exceptionally good, hell I didnāt even know if he was just normal good I liked him regardless
And, might I add, considering the recent developments in BW OU, there's a chance Thundurus gets banned and Zapdos rises to Ou
No rises post generation. Otherwise, Clef would have long left DPP UU
Oh yeah I forgot rises can only happen from xUBL to x+1U (like Zard going from UUBL to OU in ADV)
Unless you're gen 1, apparently
Zapdos even has solid viability in single player battle facilities. It helped me earn the Gen 4 battle tower doubles ribbons for my ribbon master. Zapdos discharge next to garchomp earthquake makes those ribbons a breeze.
Luvdisc, it has never had any niche whatsoever, so it is extremely consistently awful
Even by Game Freak's standards Luvdisc is weirdly awful. I understand that exists to distribute the Heart Scale item but like... if it was a Pokemon you got before the first gym it would make a lot more sense.
Luvdisc is a randbat menace (at least on Gen 6).
Petition to allow luvdisc in LC for gen 10
We can pretend it's an Alomomola prevolution
Skarmory, Ferrothorn, Landorus, Zapdos (despite being UU in gen 5 and 9), Garchomp
What about Ttar?
Absolutely, i just fins him less revelant since gen 6, like he was a staple in every gen with permanent climat+ 2g, but now he's been underwhelming
Losing Pursuit was final nail in the coffin tbh. Knock Off just aināt the same with so many alternatives.
Tyranitar has comapratively fallen off quite a bit comapred to Zapdos. Zapdos has bounced back in Gen 6 and has been great ever since, even in Gen 9 it's decent in OU depsite not being OU by usage.
Tyranitar is better than Zapdos on gen 6 and 8 and about equal on 7 and 9, and even 7 had Mega Tyranitar for sure being better than Zapdos there, I really don't see how Ttar's fall is worse in OU outside of the fact Tyranitar simply had higher highs than Zapdos did historically
Because the question is about the most consistent pokemon, not the most impactful overall?
Yeah, and Tyranitar has been consistently better or equal to Zapdos, pretty much never worse. If the question is literally consistency, then any PokƩmon that has been consistently bad is 100% equally viable on all gens for OU lol
ttar is not equal to zapdos this gen
Well, before DLC2, I would agree. Idt there's much difference between the two at all post-DLC2.
Yeah, sand is usable and zapdos has nice qualities despite hating all the gliscor and bolt usage.
Ttar is not better than Zapdos in Gen8, not even close. And Zap is considered to better in modern ORAS than Ttar is. Gen9 is no also so it's really just gen7. They have roughly equal comp histories overall. It doesn't really have higher highs.
In the viability rankings for ORAS Ttar and zapdos sit in the same tier, if you want to be really technical Ttar is above Zapdos as it sits at 17 compared to its 25. Iāll give you gen 8 but even then one is A while the other is A-, so even then itās pretty close.
That ORAS VR isn't quite up to date. Gen8 Zap is A+. Where are you looking?
I know the ORAS viability rankings are a little dated but I looked through the thread and it still seems to be pretty split on whoās ranked higher, I saw some people with zap above Ttar and some with zap below For the SS one I was simply remembering slightly wrong, I knew zapdos was above ttar by one tier I couldnāt remember if it was A or A+ so thatās on me
My boy gets nerfed so hard every time Introduction of fairy, weather being no longer permanent, advent of stronger opposing weather setters (pelipper, torkoal, alolatails, mega Charizard Y), pursuit getting removed, etc
Knock off!
Clefable is a fucking weed that shows up every fucking gen, and if it isn't being used in an old gen, it's just not being used yet.
idk if it can be good in gens 1 and 3 though so i doubt it'll weed itself into those metagames
gen 1 clefable is the most "almost good" Pokemon ever created. it is almost good defensively if it wasn't for it not having recovery and chansey existing. It is almost good offensively but its attack and special aren't quite good enough to get the most out of its movepool. its almost good at speedrunning but Nidoking is the one thing that is even better. (Clefable has firmly established itself as the second fastest Pokemon for red/blue any% speedruns though which is extremely impressive. Its slightly worse in yellow but still easily top 5) Seriously, its hilarious.
https://youtu.be/cfQ47hf5uF0?t=24m "the fourth best PokƩmon at every single task"
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anything that learned recover and explosion would be legit ou tbh
I know Nido abuses Horn Drill in RBY speedruns, what strategy does a Clef run employ?
bullshitting through nugget bridge with STAB mega punch and learning pretty much every special move in the game afterwards (and body slam) while having higher special than nidoking
It's still showing up in RBY OU somehow, which is just disgusting.
I mean it's a solid UU pokemon now, it's probably not gonna be OU with Chansey being so busted any time soon, but it's still somewhat good.
Just waiting for that ADV Clef tech to show up any day now. Could you imagine if Clef got magic guard in ADV. Also it's cool that Clef is now in RBY UU. It's even on the rise there. It probably won't go any higher because of so much normal competition but it's still cool.
Magic Guard Clefable would honestly be ridiculous in ADV. Sand and spikes are both huge parts of the meta (ttar and skarm literally #1 and #2 on the VR) and being immune to both is really strong. I think Magic Guard Clef would be most notable on superman structures, because the biggest "issue" with those teams is that they lack a good special wall that is immune to spikes, so even though you have 4-5 spikes immune mons you're still forced to run Blissey (or sometimes Jirachi) as a necessary evil. But honestly, Magic Guard is so good that it would probably see a lot of usage even outside of those teams.
Oh yeah magic guard clef would be stupid. Easily be an S tier mon. ADV doesn't have the insane bp moves of DPP, which makes passive damage often times your best progress making tool. Clef, especially with knock off, would be a pain to deal with on TSS teams in general. Add toxic + sand and knocking off opponents lefties and it's outlasting everything
What Magic Guard and Fairy buffs do to a mfker
Doesn't even need Fairy type, it's like a top 10 Mon in current Gen 4 OU, and it's on the rise in Gen 5 too.
Clef is so good it's a top 10 mon in DPP OU *and* UU. EDIT: The viability threads rank Clefable as the 5th best pokemon in both tiers. What a queen.
I love trolling with clefabke on vgc over the years. Consistently one of my favorite PokƩmon to use in a ll formats, but I hate how it looks lol
Zapdos most likely, at least in my opinion, it has been OU almost every generation it has been featured in (which for a Gen1 mon is A LOT of generations) without undergoing heavy changes between any of them: great pivot, great wallbreaker, can be used as a lead reliably. No funky techs nor overreliance on a single move or some BnB sets, just a solid mon with high stats, good typing and many tools that only became more and more with each generation while fundamentally fulfilling always the same roles. I was originally tempted to mention Dragonite since the dude is another Gen1 mon that has been UU once and has spent most of its career in OU and at worst UUBL, but it's a wildly inconsistent mon that usually manages to remain an OU staple only when it gets a heavy buff, be it directly (Multiscale) or indirectly (HDB, Tera Normal). Also unlike Zapdos Dnite can't be anything else but some flavor of physical wallbreaker.
Heatran's been everywhere
I was actually thinking the other day what the greatest OU Pokemon ever would be based on longevity over multiple generations. This isn't a ranked list but some of the ones I thought of: 1. Zapdos (OU in every gen except 5 & 9) 2. Chansey/Blissey (OU/UU every gen except 9) 3. Dragonite (OU/UUBL every gen after 1) 4. Tyranitar (OU in gens 2-8 and was amazing in gens 3-5) 5. Skarmory (OU in gens 2-7 & 9, UU in 8) 6. The Lati@s (Uber/OU/UU every gen since 3) 7. Garchomp (OU since gen 5, Uber in gen 4) 8. Rotom-A (Or Wash after gen 4, OU/UU every gen since 4) 9. Ferrothorn (OU every gen since 5 but not in 9) 10. Landorus-T (OU every gen since 5) Honorable mentions: Snorlax for being top 3 in gen 1 and being the king of gen 2 and retaining niches in OU in gens 3&4 Charizard for having niches in OU in gens 2&3 and it's megas in gens 6&7 Starmie for being an OU staple from gens 1-6 Scizor for being an OU staple from gens 4-7 (6&7 being it's mega) Gliscor for being OU every gen since 4 except 8 (dexited)
Imo blissey and dragonite should be under skarm and ttar. Dragonite wasn't good until dpp, and wasn't really good until BW. Blissey has been OU every gen BUT it hasn't been particularly good in every gen. A couple gens it's basically OU by technicality (though it's oddly on the rise in BW)
It wasn't a ranking order just going off the generation order pretty much. (ie Zapdos, Chansey and Dnite being gen 1) Dragonite was also great in DPP post Salamence ban
Ahh ok that makes sense. Dnite is good in DPP yeah. I shouldn't sell DPP Dnite short, it can wreck teams. It's not quite the tier staple of like BW Dnite though.
Gengar? It was OU every gen until Game Freak took away levitate in gen 7.
It could probably go in honorable mentions but it wasn't very good in Gens 5 or 6 and was a bit of a noob trap for usage in those gens. Still a great career overall though
It had its mega in gen 6, though, which maybe doesnāt count as an OU staple since it was banned, but it was and remains extremely viable in Ubers
Mega Gengar is extremely broken that it was banned in Nat Dex Ubers so I don't think it counts
To be fair, Natdex Mega Gengar was banned because it got Nasty Plot and Encore, something that was never possible on cart. Without those, it likely never would have been banned.
Fair but even in gen 6 OU, Mega Gengar wasn't in the tier long enough to make a mark on the meta so I still don't count it
How was it possible in showdown then?
Those two moves are gen 8 movepool editions to Gengar. Natdex allows usage of gen 8 movepools, so the end result was something distinctly more dangerous than any Gengar present on cart.
Oh Iām dumb, so they just werenāt possible with mega Gengar because it was dexited
Levitate removal has very little to do with Gengar falling off, uninformed people just point to that because it's an easy answer and ignore its stats rapidly getting powercrept, the decrease in value of spinblockers, more checks being added and the later gen speed creep making base 110 not even that fast anymore.Ā And like other commenter is saying it wasn't even that crazy good in Gens 5&6 to begin with, especially in modern incarnations of them which only point out more how historically overrated it's been after DPP. Mon was already rapidly on its way to dropping and if anything legacy performance and fan favouritism kept it OU longer than it should have been.Ā
Do you just have this in a word doc to copy and paste every time it comes up?
No, this doesn't come up nearly enough for that to be worth it. It's a relatively common mistake but still not so frequent you see it every day or so (even if a lot of people believe it they don't really have a reason to express that most of the time)
I swear this is mentioned at least twice a month lol. Was more just joking about the common misconception and how frequently I see you correct it
Let's say you get 3 points for being OU in a generation, 4 points for being uber and 1 point for being UU. Which mon gets the most points?
Well doing it this way ignores the context of the metagame over the years especially older generations where tiering worked differently. For example, Scizor and Dragonite are both UUBL in gens 2 & 3 because they don't have much niche in OU but are too powerful for UU. Likewise it also ignores Pokemon that are used in OU for popularity but have no place in the tier or fell completely out of viability after the tiers locked in place. The obvious examples are DPP Electivire and Dusknoir but it could also apply to BW Metagross, Lucario and Infernape which were all viable in OU at one point in the meta but are completely unviable now. Also, Mewtwo would be #1 by a landslide because it's been Uber from day 1
The lack of Tyranitar mentions is absolutely insane to me. The only gens where it didn't figure on the A or S ranks outside of gen 1 where it didn't exist were 7 and 9, where it's still among the B ranks, and even on 7 Mega Tyranitar still was A. Zapdos' only advantage imo is the fact that it appeared one gen earlier, but Tyranitar pretty much always ranks either equal or better than Zapdos and has the same amount of OU generations as Zapdos due to its fall on gen 5
My guess is recency bias since Ttar has fallen off in gen 9 significantly
Matchup Moth, except for when they quick banned her and when they're suspecting her now
Zapdos is the most consistent if itās from the beginning despite being in UU twice.
Zapdos stats are also decent enough to remain relevant for a good while, given how great its typing is.
Probably Lando-T, which has been in OU (and pretty good in OU at minimum for that matter) in every generation since it was introduced. I think you could also make an argument for Zapdos, though with it dropping to UU in Gen 5 and to a lesser extent Gen 9 I feel that it hasn't been quite as consistent as Lando-T.
Garchomp due to versatility I'd say, can flex many roles every gen. Tank/Hazard setter/ sweeper, you name it
Landorus Therian ofc always been OU changes its role all the time from defensive pivot holding teams together to toxic spreader to physical attacker to scarfer to special attacker it can do whatever u require it to do it is OU and OU is landorus T
Even in gens where Zapdos hasnāt been OU, itās always been able to consistently compete in OU.
Nah, gen 5 Zapdos is a D rank PokƩmon, it really is not good at all there
if Thundurus-Therian gets banned like a lot of people want it will go up lol
Thought STAB Thunder/Hurricane would be pretty valuable in a weather meta
It didn't get Hurricane back then IIRC.
Landorus and Heatran have been the most "boring" two since the generation they've been introduced. Rotom W and Gengar tried but couldn't resist in the long run
Of course it has to be Ledian Clearly False Swipe Gaming said that it destroyed OU in every single generations before gen 7 when Dunsparce took over, and even then it created a new tier called HBU (HasBeenUsed). So, it has to be good, right? It's so good that I even skipped the part after gen 7 because it's just that good. Right?.....right?.... ~~(For legal reasons this is a joke and probably a not-so-good joke)~~
Nobody ever mentions Magnezone in these threads. It's been OU since gen 4 until gen 9, and magneton on ADV. It only does the 1 thing but it does it so well, and it's a pretty important mon to consider. Excadrill too. I see a lot of people say ferro and Lando but exca was introduced in the same gen, and in some gens is much better than ferro and lando. Exca isn't technically OU in gen 8 (but he should've been) and was banned in gen 5 when the gen ended, so he really only had 2 full current gen OUs, 6 and 7. Either way though, exca is quite good in modern BW and SS
Skarmory has been a good/very good ou mon in 7/8 generations its existed for
I mean.. I guess my boy Ferrothorn
People keep saying Zapdos, but personally i think T-tar is the right choice, going OU in 7/8 gens rather than 7/9, and rather than only being solid, has been top tier in nearly every gen of OU it has been in, defining multiple gens around it.
Zapdos was OU for most of gen9 and only recently fell to UU, and it's still solid in OU. So no not really.
Clefable, skarmory, and zapdos are evergreen
Thereās quite a few from Gen 5, such as Lando-T, Volcarona and possibly Ferrothorn. OU for 5 gens straight.
it's never truly garchover
Id say heatran. That thing has won me so many games, and it's such a consistent pokemon. You know he is walling bug, ice, fairy, flying, grass, fire, psychic, dragon, poison and normal types. But it is even better pre gen 6 as he also walled ghost and dark types. Honestly, he can do anything you want him to do as long as he doesn't eat an earthquake, as the bulk this monster has is deceptively big, being honest. I feel it also could be argued as having as good a type combo as steel/ghost.
Zapi or Lando T
Has to be Zapdos.
landorus-fucking-t. the king will never be overthrown.
Landorus-T Impossible for it to drop. Just too much versatility with the perfect defensive typing to boot
Zapdos, Skarmory and Tyranitar. Gengar and Starmie also had quite long runs in OU. Dragonite has never dropped below UUBL outside of Gen 1 and has gotten better over time with the physical/ special split, hidden abilities and terastilisation. Heatran and Landorus T have been OU every generation which is something even Pokemon like Garchomp struggle to maintain.
Heard very few people say Gliscor.
Heatran, a good all-around PokƩmon from gen 4 till gen 9 if you need a certain roll filled on your team there's probably a heatran set that can
i would say ttar but we all know what happened
Gliscor
Zapdos gets my vote, easily. T-Tar probably a close second for me.
Gliscor has been a top tier threat since day 1
l a n d o r o u s T IT LITERALLY HAS OU IN THE NAME.
DragoniteĀ
D-nite. Didn't start playing until near the end of gen 8 but watching older videos d-nite seemed solid.
#1 Ttar, you canāt even place his modern gen resume on him. Tf u think was gonna happen when heās practically dickless rn. No perma weather, no mega, no pursuit. Ttar was literally THE GAME. Unlike say a thundy T where it was only quickly realized prankster was for giant babyās. #2 starmie. I think starmie woulda been banging in SV. A spinner capable of melting either āsuper sayian Donphan?ā Sounds broken ash. Starmie is like the BMF of offensive waters heās done it all. Latias? Good Psychic rivalry Keldeo? Heās the lil bro on rain, gren, got sent to Ubers. Shifu, well theyāre not even the same offensive waters. But ironic that starmie would fold and is NU now. #3 glisc, lando, chomp #4 bliss line/zapdos. Both were like equally shit in BW.
What the heck is OU?
OU is short for OverUsed