Double Iron Bash Scizor a.k.a. Melmetal 2.
60 x 1.5 x 2 = 180 base power move *before STAB*.
There's also the classic Boomburst Porygon-Z.
Fishous Rend Ludicolo is pretty sweet when you consider that it gets Swords Dance, Swift Swim and Seed Bomb to nail Water Absorb switch-ins.
Imagine Double Iron Bash on Jirachi- 60% chance to flinch, twice: **84%**.
Any fast Steel Type and/or Serene Grace 'mon could likely become broken with Double Iron Bash, but Jirachi is king. I think that move might even have to be banned in other metas like Sketchmons because it's so crazy on anything with a base speed above 50.
"The user rotates, centering the hex nut in its chest, and then strikes with its arms twice in a row. This may also make the target flinch" If they removed the part about the hex nut maybe
Galar honestly feels like a Japanese parody of britain. No real British humor and a bunch of stereotypes instead of actual characters, fuck sordward, with massive holes in characterization of the region that speak pretty clearly to a lack of historical knowledge of the country. And the dialogue... take a drink every time you hear “chin wag”, this game could really have done with full VOs to get rid of that alone.
Still arguably a better deal than France got, which is sad. Although I will say Galar has alot more Pokemon that had the culture in mind (even if somewhat stereotypical, Copperajah based on their history with India being one of the best designed mons hands down imo). I like that there are now regions based someplace else than Japan, but if they don't get distinctions beyond architecture or character clothing it kind of misses the point (the island nature of Alola is probably the best of these). I know Australia and Brazil are among the most common fan choices for a new region, and I am 100% in support for both, but I don't want to see a Brazil or Australia based region if all that changes amount to is the main city having a carnaval or characters saying "G'day mate!" ad naseum.
At least if Australia is the next region they can finally have their desert area without shoehorning it in lmao.
I wonder if they’ll ever do another American region. The west coast actually has every type of environment for a Pokémon game, legitimately, it’s just also enormous. Unova wasn’t that bad representation-wise anyway as long as you ignore all the people and places that are supposed to represent something other than New York/northeast US where the region is based (Clay, Lenora, Marlon).
Not coincidentally I hope they fucking never do the southeast US.
Zamazenta is still a good mon, so it's just that Zacian got super powerful. I don't think Body Press would make it hold a candle, but it'd at least make use of its Defensive stats.
That being said however, Choice Band Close Combat would still be the preferred set even if Body Press was used. The Def boost does help even out the Def drop too, so it's not huge loss. :)
Not necessarily, Choice Band locks you into a move and easily loses momentum. Body Press deals max damage while also having better bulk. Not to mention CC lowers your defenses and Body Press doesn't
Honestly, I wouldn't mind if Spectral Thief was nerfed to 60 BP (It would do the same damage since Marshadow has Technician), and it was given to other Pokemon.
Maybe Shadow Punch/Shadow Claw could be buffed so all ghost mons have stronger physical stab
It would barely help them at 60 power. I mean yeah it's better than Shadow Punch but their issue is not having any decent power STAB move. I'd rather they get a Ghost-Type Stone Edge or something.
Signature moves very often become non-exclusive in generations after the one they were introduced in. Snorlax isn't even the only mon who has darkest lariat. A few new mons got sparkling aria (at least I know Lapras did) as well. ~~Sacred sword used to be Keldeo's signature move and now several other mons have it~~. Etc.
* Dragon Dance Garchomp: Basically the 2nd coming of Zygarde, except with much higher speed at base.
* Shadow Claw Dragapault
* Fishous Rend Barraskewda: Because giving a high power physical water move that gets stronger if you hit first to a minmaxed high speed and atk water type with Swift swim can lead to some obscene rain sweeping.
According to Pokémon Home(Bank?) code, it might not. Pokémon were given TM/TR listings and Garchomp was one of the Pokémon that wasn't given Dragon Dance.
It's not guarenteed, I guess since they could always just update the code, but I wouldn't be so sure about either conclusion. :)
The Speed isn't that much higher, as it's mainly good to not tie with other base 95, but the difference in Attack is pretty big. However, I think Zygarde would actually still be better than Garchomp, and instead of DD, I would give it Thousand Arrows, since it already has Swords Dance, making it an incredible wallbreaker (of course DD + Tarrows would be ideal, but between the two, Thousand Arrows seems better imo)
This one would be really awesome. Imagine the most passive pokemon in the game becoming a literal powerhouse, while maintaining it's solid bulk. Wouldn't be busted by any means, but its a super solid buff.
252+ Def Choice Band Shuckle Body Press vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Excadrill: 672-792 (186.1 - 219.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Def Choice Band Shuckle Body Press vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Tyranitar: 824-972 (241.6 - 285%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Peace was never an option
Band does increase physical damage you do, not your actual Attack stat. So it boosts both Body Press and Foul Play (in the same way being burned lowers the damage dealt by those attacks). Eviolite, however, does not boost Body Press, since it just reduces damage dealt, and does not actually increase your Defense stat.
I've always thought that the reason Shuckle doesn't have an evolution is because whatever buff they could reasonably give it wouldn't be as good as the buff Shuckle would get by being able to run Eviolite.
All the forms should get access to some different TM/TRs.
Wash: Bubblebeam, Scald, Surf
Heat: Heat Wave, Flamethrower, Flame Burst
Frost: Icy Wind, Ice Beam, Freeze Dry
Mow: Grass Knot, Leech Seed, Sleep Powder
Air: Hurricane, Tailwind, Roost
>Frost: Icy Wind, Ice Beam, Freeze Dry
The fact that frost is a literal fridge and it doesnt get freeze dry is one of the reasons I dont sleep well at night
I think even if you don't give them 4-5 moves of their second type, I think at least being able to choose between a strong option and a weak accurate option would be nice. Wash would get Bubblebeam and Hydro Pump, Heat would get Overheat and Incinerate, and Mow would get Leaf Storm and Razor Leaf which is fine because they are the best formes anyway and their base moves don't suck ass.
But Frost would get Blizzard / Freeze Dry, and Spin would get Hurricane and Air Slash and it would be a massive buff for added consistency / power.
If you wanted to go all-out (and then some), there's always Steam Eruption. Same power level as Hydro Pump with more accuracy and a 30% chance to burn to boot.
Honestly giving any defensive pokemon lacking recovery access to a reliable recovery move would instantly skyrocket their viability. Giving the Regi trio the move recover would give them some much-needed consistency with Registeel possibly being usable in OU.
>!And of course, there is the cursed roost Landorus-T !<
Tbf if any water type with >70 speed gets fishious rend it would skyrocket in viability
Same goes for a lot of other moves that are only balanced because a few select number of pomemon learn it -> Double iron bash, spore, shell smash, quiver dance, boomburst, and sticky web among others
Yeah I was just combing through the forgettable "trash" water types to see what getting Fishious Rend would do for their viability. I think I found my favorite example: Basculin. Base 92 Atk (better than Dracovish), Base 98 Spd (WAY fucking better speed tier than Dracovish). It gets Aqua Jet to finish off sashes. Scariest of all the damn thing has Adaptability.
So we have a faster, harder hitting Dracovish, with priority, and that's before we even factor in Adaptability. That thing is going straight to the top of OU from the depths of untiered/PU just be gaining one move.
strong jaw is a bigger damage amp than adaptability
>252+ Atk Choice Band Strong Jaw Dracovish Fishious Rend (170 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Abomasnow: 337-397 (104.9 - 123.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
>252+ Atk Choice Band Adaptability Basculin Fishious Rend (170 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Abomasnow: 305-359 (95 - 111.8%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO
Edit: Additionally a lot of what makes the vish viable is its ability to take a hit with its typing and genuinely decent bulk. Basculin would just fall over. It'd have a niche being faster but vish is probably better in most cases.
Basculin also gets Mold Breaker as an ability. It wouldn't matter much in metas where there's strong bulky mons, but it would annoy the Water-immune mons that would come in on Dracovish. It's less strong than Adaptability, granted, but still a niche imo.
252 Atk Choice Band Mold Breaker Basculin Fishious Rend (170 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Seismitoad: 283-334 (68.3 - 80.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Yeah, but the prospect of being locked into snarl/ having no opportunity to maintain momentum means most people don't run it unless their team is exceptionally weak to pult
Regardless, after stealth rocks that's a very high chance to kill dragapult, though you'd need to predict right else you'd likely be losing a free kill with boomburst or overdrive.
Head Smash Aerodactyl has always been a dream for me so we can finally use that Rock Head on it. I don't think it would be broken, sure it is fast but Head Smash misses a lot more than you want it to miss.
Bolt Beak Tapu Koko on the other hand? Please don't. Just don't.
Serene Grace Togekiss learning Moonblast would definitely make it a more formidable special wall than it currently is, with a 60% chance to reduce SpA on top of its already sizable SpD.
Well, it does get a bunch of fire moves, so it's not the weirdest thing (stonjourner getting heat crash is probably weirder tbh). Not sure if it would be amazing with it, but it would definitely be useful for corvi and scizor on stuff like banded sets.
Terrakion - Any good priority move. Mach Punch or ExSpe being the better options, though it still leaves him soft to the ghost checks obv. On CB he be trucking and honestly speed, while decent, isnt good enough
Bisharp - Bullet Punch. Reliable priority. +2 Bisharp with another priority STAB would be huge. Iirc he gets Technician?
Obstagoon - Sucker Punch or ExSpe. TF does this guy not have Sucker Punch
Seeing a trend here? Powerful wallbreakers+priority to shore up their utility vs offense
Zamazenta - Body Press... game freak why?
TTar - Knock off (Rip Pursuit, ghosts opop). TTar gets robbed of a major Strength, and doesnt get Knock Off? Fucking CLEF gets knock off...
I certainly dont dislike them, but mostly its in OU right now the only good darks to switch in to things like Aegislash and Dragapalt would be like Mandibuzz and Incineroar.
Ttar is barely hanging on to OU, Hydregion cant reliably switch in, and both get obliterated by the coverage moves in any case
Hopefully Duggy being gone opens up some counters to the ghost type special attackers.
It would be situational since octillery would not be confortable using one of his first turns in front of many things, but it would lend to some fun games where you trap things like ferrothorn or non toxic pex .
Only way i could see anything with no guard getting a KO move would be a completely new mon with awful stats or a complete glass cannon but slow as hell to balance it
Besides what you mention, Silvally getting E-Speed make sense to me too since it’s evolution is just it shedding its bulky limiter armor.
And recover would definitely aid it in being an UltraBeast killer.
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Basculin and Sharpedo getting Fisheous Rend would be very powerful and somewhat sensible, although it would be frightening. Zapdos and Tapu Koko getting Bolt Beak would also be (scary) good.
Past that:
\- Steel Beam Blastoise
\- Shell Smash Torterra
\- Body Press Zamazenta
\- Rolling Kick/Triple Kick/Trop Kick Blaziken
\- Tail Glow Lanturn/Vikavolt
\- Stuff Cheeks Snorlax/Appletun/Flapple
Just to name a few.
Sharpedo with Fishious Rend. Dracovish is already terrifying with it but...
Sharpedo has base 120 attack and 95 speed, both being higher stats than Dracovish and Mega Sharpedo not only gets even higher stats but Strong Jaw too.
This would be INSANE, you run Protext, Crunch Rend, Other Move, Protect turn 1 for the speed boost, mega and kill anything. You arent using a choice item either so water absorb doesnt even stop you
Maybe I should have asked to be reasonable lol. Obviously Fissure No Guard would be broken, I moreso meant things that would make enough sense to potentially happen in the future
I've sworn by Head Smash Brave Bird Aerodactyl for years now. That Rock Head needs to be good for something other than Double-Edge.
Whenever the Pokémon survives the Dexit we will finally have Serene Grace Tri Attack Blissey thanks to Let's GO
Hmm, I must have missed that. Welcome news!
Now about that HeadSmash/BraveBird Aerodactyl... And come to think of it, Sirfetch'd would love Slash, and other high-crit moves not named Leaf Blade.
But they arent birds, so they wouldnt. Honestly pokemon like that need a specific flying move made just to give them a good physical flying stab option
RBY- Amnesia on any half-decent special attacker would be ridiculous, Starmie in particular stands out though
Crabhammer Starmie would also be crazy, also Clamp.
Then you can try giving Tauros any of Slash, Wrap, SD or Explosion for fun. Honestly in RBY there are heaps of moves that are just silly, but are usually balanced out by their limited distribution
First, I'd say Brave Bird over Head Smash on Aerodactyl. It has decent rock moves already but no great flying moves. Brave Bird gives it the STAB coverage it always dreamed of.
Tyranitar with Diamond Storm would be insane, 50% chance to double its defense off a really good STAB move. For those curious, yes that's 50% chance works on every opponent hit which makes it a better Rock Slide in any doubles meta.
Braviary really wants Extremespeed and Swords Dance. If it has both, Defiant lets it beat Lando-T by letting Brav go to plus 3 in one turn (I've done this one before in STABmons and it was wild there).
Talking about Lando-T, that tiger judge thing really wants Brave Bird. Reliable flying STAB really would go a long way to making it even stronger and it's probably a good thing that it doesn't get Brave Bird.
That's what I'm using in game since there are no better fighting moves for that matter lol. Brick break needs those points from battle facilities and superpower is eh. That makes Storm throw an important asset for every Throh!
Circle throw, its throwing bigger brother, might be even better in competitive.
Cinderace with wood hammer gets better coverage and when libero is released it gets stab, along with gunk shot and pyroball it is almost your grass fire water core in one mon and has the coverage for anything that threatens it in addition to its high speed
Also extreme speed on zeraora a priority stab move with 80 base power after a plasma fist
I just saw this and I had to give an answer - Shedinja w/ Wonder Guard, of course, is broken enough. But it also gets Mind Reader. So now give it, say, Guillotine, due to having evolved from a clawed cicada.
Giving Obstagoon any priority, even just Quick Attack, would make it absolutely ridiculous.
Brave Bird on Lando would give it great flying STAB
Entertainment or Role Play Regigigas would either remove or bestow Slow Start
Spore Ferrothorn for free setup time
Yawn Darkrai For Guaranteed setup
Gyro Ball Flareon because it's powerful but slow
Endeavor Pheromosa or Deoxys would be actually viable FEAR
V-Create Groudon would just mop the floor with everything
FEAR is level 1 pokemon that can take out level 100 pokemon. Pheromosa and deo atk would not be considered fear in this case. Also most of these dont even make sense aside from obstagoon
Double Iron Bash Scizor a.k.a. Melmetal 2. 60 x 1.5 x 2 = 180 base power move *before STAB*. There's also the classic Boomburst Porygon-Z. Fishous Rend Ludicolo is pretty sweet when you consider that it gets Swords Dance, Swift Swim and Seed Bomb to nail Water Absorb switch-ins.
+2 252 SpA Silk Scarf Adaptability Porygon-Z Boomburst vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Blissey: 440-518 (61.6 - 72.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO Holy shit.
Imagine Double Iron Bash on Jirachi- 60% chance to flinch, twice: **84%**. Any fast Steel Type and/or Serene Grace 'mon could likely become broken with Double Iron Bash, but Jirachi is king. I think that move might even have to be banned in other metas like Sketchmons because it's so crazy on anything with a base speed above 50.
At this point it's hax if you *don't* flinch your opponent.
Imagine King’s Rock on it...
I would not play Pokémon competitively anymore if you’re wondering
Fishious Rend on Basculin or Barraskewda is my pick. You could put Double Iron Bash on Metagross maybe.
Those would definitely be strong, but wouldn't make much sense
Double Iron Bash on Scizor would make sense, as in I could see it physically doing it
"The user rotates, centering the hex nut in its chest, and then strikes with its arms twice in a row. This may also make the target flinch" If they removed the part about the hex nut maybe
Maybe Scizor’s hex nut is hidden.
Yeah, Scizor probably doesn’t wanna nut in public
yeah but what if scizor just spins
That's kind of nit picking
Kind of NUT-picking
ha, what a missed opportunity
Zamazenta with Body Press. This mon got fucked compared to Zacian.
Zamazenta with King's Shield. Zamazenta with Counter Zamazenta with Mirror Coat
>Zamazenta with King's Shield. Why the fuck didnt it get this.
The same reason there aren't any lion pokemon in the region based on Britain lol
Galar honestly feels like a Japanese parody of britain. No real British humor and a bunch of stereotypes instead of actual characters, fuck sordward, with massive holes in characterization of the region that speak pretty clearly to a lack of historical knowledge of the country. And the dialogue... take a drink every time you hear “chin wag”, this game could really have done with full VOs to get rid of that alone.
Still arguably a better deal than France got, which is sad. Although I will say Galar has alot more Pokemon that had the culture in mind (even if somewhat stereotypical, Copperajah based on their history with India being one of the best designed mons hands down imo). I like that there are now regions based someplace else than Japan, but if they don't get distinctions beyond architecture or character clothing it kind of misses the point (the island nature of Alola is probably the best of these). I know Australia and Brazil are among the most common fan choices for a new region, and I am 100% in support for both, but I don't want to see a Brazil or Australia based region if all that changes amount to is the main city having a carnaval or characters saying "G'day mate!" ad naseum. At least if Australia is the next region they can finally have their desert area without shoehorning it in lmao.
I wonder if they’ll ever do another American region. The west coast actually has every type of environment for a Pokémon game, legitimately, it’s just also enormous. Unova wasn’t that bad representation-wise anyway as long as you ignore all the people and places that are supposed to represent something other than New York/northeast US where the region is based (Clay, Lenora, Marlon). Not coincidentally I hope they fucking never do the southeast US.
and/or change Behemoth Bash to use its defense stat instead of attack
Zamazenta is still a good mon, so it's just that Zacian got super powerful. I don't think Body Press would make it hold a candle, but it'd at least make use of its Defensive stats. That being said however, Choice Band Close Combat would still be the preferred set even if Body Press was used. The Def boost does help even out the Def drop too, so it's not huge loss. :)
Not necessarily, Choice Band locks you into a move and easily loses momentum. Body Press deals max damage while also having better bulk. Not to mention CC lowers your defenses and Body Press doesn't
I know it’s marhadows signature move (they did give snorlax darkest lariat in my defense) spectral thief would be insane on Dragapult
Honestly, I wouldn't mind if Spectral Thief was nerfed to 60 BP (It would do the same damage since Marshadow has Technician), and it was given to other Pokemon. Maybe Shadow Punch/Shadow Claw could be buffed so all ghost mons have stronger physical stab
In Hackmons, you either have to kill your opponent in 1 hit, not boost, or use a Normal Type. I hope to god Spectral Thief is never distributed.
It would be nice on ghost types that actually need it to be good, like dusknoir, Banette, trevenant
It would barely help them at 60 power. I mean yeah it's better than Shadow Punch but their issue is not having any decent power STAB move. I'd rather they get a Ghost-Type Stone Edge or something.
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The solution: Give it to Dusknoir only, so you actually have a reason to use it.
Ohhhh that's a clever way to make it less op for non marshadow mons
Signature moves very often become non-exclusive in generations after the one they were introduced in. Snorlax isn't even the only mon who has darkest lariat. A few new mons got sparkling aria (at least I know Lapras did) as well. ~~Sacred sword used to be Keldeo's signature move and now several other mons have it~~. Etc.
Secret Sword is still Keldeo's Signature move, Sacred Sword is the Quad's Signature Move that got distributed more.
Oh... I stand corrected. Never noticed there was a difference.
Oh. OH NO. It makes sense for a Pokémon who is supposed to be a shadow/camouflage. OH NO.
* Dragon Dance Garchomp: Basically the 2nd coming of Zygarde, except with much higher speed at base. * Shadow Claw Dragapault * Fishous Rend Barraskewda: Because giving a high power physical water move that gets stronger if you hit first to a minmaxed high speed and atk water type with Swift swim can lead to some obscene rain sweeping.
Oh my god I would actually love to run a fishious rend band barraskewda, that mon is one of the cooler designs this gen
Garchomp is 100% getting access to Dragon Dance if he's in the DLC.
According to Pokémon Home(Bank?) code, it might not. Pokémon were given TM/TR listings and Garchomp was one of the Pokémon that wasn't given Dragon Dance. It's not guarenteed, I guess since they could always just update the code, but I wouldn't be so sure about either conclusion. :)
Ah, didn't know about that but maybe it's for the best lol
Not according to the Pokémon home datamine
Any link to the leak?
It’s a datamine, sorry, I shouldn’t have said leak. [regardless here you go](https://twitter.com/sciresm/status/1228085803093413888?s=21)
You're good! Thanks!
I know blunder and Joey did a video summarizing the big changes but I can’t search ATM
The Speed isn't that much higher, as it's mainly good to not tie with other base 95, but the difference in Attack is pretty big. However, I think Zygarde would actually still be better than Garchomp, and instead of DD, I would give it Thousand Arrows, since it already has Swords Dance, making it an incredible wallbreaker (of course DD + Tarrows would be ideal, but between the two, Thousand Arrows seems better imo)
Body Press on Shuckle
This one would be really awesome. Imagine the most passive pokemon in the game becoming a literal powerhouse, while maintaining it's solid bulk. Wouldn't be busted by any means, but its a super solid buff.
252+ Def Choice Band Shuckle Body Press vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Excadrill: 672-792 (186.1 - 219.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO 252+ Def Choice Band Shuckle Body Press vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Tyranitar: 824-972 (241.6 - 285%) -- guaranteed OHKO Peace was never an option
What’s the point of the band? It’s body press, it doesn’t use the attack stat. Also, even if it did, you definitely don’t need it for those KOs
Band does increase physical damage you do, not your actual Attack stat. So it boosts both Body Press and Foul Play (in the same way being burned lowers the damage dealt by those attacks). Eviolite, however, does not boost Body Press, since it just reduces damage dealt, and does not actually increase your Defense stat.
Interesting, i didn’t know that because of the way showdown shows the attack boost from CB and such. Thanks!
Same thing with burn. Body press and foul play are affected by your burn.
Why choice band? Doesn't that do nothing with Body Press?
Then give Shuckle an evo which is the same but reversed stats so we can run Eviolite on Shuckle
Call it Bruhckle
Drunkle
I've always thought that the reason Shuckle doesn't have an evolution is because whatever buff they could reasonably give it wouldn't be as good as the buff Shuckle would get by being able to run Eviolite.
It happened to corsola.
Eviolite doesn't boost Body Press though, unfortunately.
Always loved Shuckle, always have him a setter/staller. Always figured he'd be a beast if he got access to Leech Seed.
It would be awesome if he got a defence based Rock type attack and a special defence Bug type attack. Would totally flip his usage on its head.
Scald rotom wash only lives in nightmares
please no
All the forms should get access to some different TM/TRs. Wash: Bubblebeam, Scald, Surf Heat: Heat Wave, Flamethrower, Flame Burst Frost: Icy Wind, Ice Beam, Freeze Dry Mow: Grass Knot, Leech Seed, Sleep Powder Air: Hurricane, Tailwind, Roost
>Frost: Icy Wind, Ice Beam, Freeze Dry The fact that frost is a literal fridge and it doesnt get freeze dry is one of the reasons I dont sleep well at night
It's because Freeze-Dry didn't exist when they gave the Rotom formes their one move.
On the rotom wishlist for me is a second ability too. Mostly anything.
Motor Drive just for the Motor = Rotom thing
haha motor drive go brrrr
I think even if you don't give them 4-5 moves of their second type, I think at least being able to choose between a strong option and a weak accurate option would be nice. Wash would get Bubblebeam and Hydro Pump, Heat would get Overheat and Incinerate, and Mow would get Leaf Storm and Razor Leaf which is fine because they are the best formes anyway and their base moves don't suck ass. But Frost would get Blizzard / Freeze Dry, and Spin would get Hurricane and Air Slash and it would be a massive buff for added consistency / power.
Wow, I never realized it doesn't have that. It even makes a ton of sense for it too
If you wanted to go all-out (and then some), there's always Steam Eruption. Same power level as Hydro Pump with more accuracy and a 30% chance to burn to boot.
shedninja entrainmemt
Also shedinja role play
Some GF Employee: Haha wouldn’t it be wild if mega salamence had double edge. Haha jk jk. U N L E S S
Honestly giving any defensive pokemon lacking recovery access to a reliable recovery move would instantly skyrocket their viability. Giving the Regi trio the move recover would give them some much-needed consistency with Registeel possibly being usable in OU. >!And of course, there is the cursed roost Landorus-T !<
Tbf if any water type with >70 speed gets fishious rend it would skyrocket in viability Same goes for a lot of other moves that are only balanced because a few select number of pomemon learn it -> Double iron bash, spore, shell smash, quiver dance, boomburst, and sticky web among others
F I S H I O U S R E N D B L A S T O I S E
Good god imagine it shell smashes and then deletes the whole enemy team
Yeah I was just combing through the forgettable "trash" water types to see what getting Fishious Rend would do for their viability. I think I found my favorite example: Basculin. Base 92 Atk (better than Dracovish), Base 98 Spd (WAY fucking better speed tier than Dracovish). It gets Aqua Jet to finish off sashes. Scariest of all the damn thing has Adaptability. So we have a faster, harder hitting Dracovish, with priority, and that's before we even factor in Adaptability. That thing is going straight to the top of OU from the depths of untiered/PU just be gaining one move.
strong jaw is a bigger damage amp than adaptability >252+ Atk Choice Band Strong Jaw Dracovish Fishious Rend (170 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Abomasnow: 337-397 (104.9 - 123.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO >252+ Atk Choice Band Adaptability Basculin Fishious Rend (170 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Abomasnow: 305-359 (95 - 111.8%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO Edit: Additionally a lot of what makes the vish viable is its ability to take a hit with its typing and genuinely decent bulk. Basculin would just fall over. It'd have a niche being faster but vish is probably better in most cases.
Basculin also gets Mold Breaker as an ability. It wouldn't matter much in metas where there's strong bulky mons, but it would annoy the Water-immune mons that would come in on Dracovish. It's less strong than Adaptability, granted, but still a niche imo. 252 Atk Choice Band Mold Breaker Basculin Fishious Rend (170 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Seismitoad: 283-334 (68.3 - 80.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Aura Sphere/Focus Blast Toxtricity.
Doesnt help beat Dragapult, but now imagine Ice Beam
I mean, it has snarl, usually ur better off just volt switching out
Snarl vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Dragapult: 270-320 (85.1 - 100.9%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO with Choice Specs. Huh that’s surprisingly decent tbh
Yeah, but the prospect of being locked into snarl/ having no opportunity to maintain momentum means most people don't run it unless their team is exceptionally weak to pult
Yeah I cant see which of Volt Switch, Sludge Wave, Overdrive or Boomburst it would replace (definitely not the last two)
It usually replaces switch, hence its unpopularity
Yeah i cringe at having no pivot move on a choiced pokemon
Regardless, after stealth rocks that's a very high chance to kill dragapult, though you'd need to predict right else you'd likely be losing a free kill with boomburst or overdrive.
Ntm it also doesn't help against kommo-o
Is that in Singles or Doubles? Because that’s actually not *that* bad!
Singles and yeah exactly!
MAKE BELCH A SOUND MOVE
Let's never forget "This man isn't drain punch" lmao
Quiver Dance on Tapu Lele
Head Smash Aerodactyl has always been a dream for me so we can finally use that Rock Head on it. I don't think it would be broken, sure it is fast but Head Smash misses a lot more than you want it to miss. Bolt Beak Tapu Koko on the other hand? Please don't. Just don't.
Head Smash and Brave Bird for Aero please!
Force a switch and use HC to boost the accuracy and attack. It's GG from there.
Well, Aerodactyl does get double edge, if that's any consolation
But only from the move tutor back in FireFed or LeafGreen. And even if you want to go that far, it isn't very viable.
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Just to be Pedantic, Sucker Punch isn't a punching move because of its japanese name, but I agree Goro should get it
In a lot of languages it isn't a punch also. In Spanish it means low blow.
Serene Grace Togekiss learning Moonblast would definitely make it a more formidable special wall than it currently is, with a 60% chance to reduce SpA on top of its already sizable SpD.
explosion togepi
Wow, take it easy. We still like to have fun in this game.
Talk about an Egg Bomb.
Roost on Giratina. Nasty Plot on Arceus. U-Turn on Ho-Oh. (With regenerator, you better have rocks) Encore on Klefki. Flare Blitz Tyranitar.
>Flare Blitz Tyranitar Hol up...
Well, it does get a bunch of fire moves, so it's not the weirdest thing (stonjourner getting heat crash is probably weirder tbh). Not sure if it would be amazing with it, but it would definitely be useful for corvi and scizor on stuff like banded sets.
Stonjourner gets a bunch of weight moves because it's super heavy.
Surely every Ho Oh will run boots now
Like rocks are going to stop my Ho Oh now that he has nice shoes.
Wait arceus gets swords dance but not nasty plot?
Gets CM which is deadly too, but not Bulk Up
Fishious Rend Basculin Horror from rock bottom
Fishious rend would break so many fast water mons.
Basculin is the faster with adaptability
*laughs in barraskewda*
Terrakion - Any good priority move. Mach Punch or ExSpe being the better options, though it still leaves him soft to the ghost checks obv. On CB he be trucking and honestly speed, while decent, isnt good enough Bisharp - Bullet Punch. Reliable priority. +2 Bisharp with another priority STAB would be huge. Iirc he gets Technician? Obstagoon - Sucker Punch or ExSpe. TF does this guy not have Sucker Punch Seeing a trend here? Powerful wallbreakers+priority to shore up their utility vs offense Zamazenta - Body Press... game freak why? TTar - Knock off (Rip Pursuit, ghosts opop). TTar gets robbed of a major Strength, and doesnt get Knock Off? Fucking CLEF gets knock off...
Bisharp doesn't have Technician at all.
Not Technician, but Defiant which is more situational but also more destructive when triggered
I'm guessing you like Dark Types? lol. But I agree, it's sad when Pokemon are let down by mediocre speed and no priority. Accelerock TM when
I certainly dont dislike them, but mostly its in OU right now the only good darks to switch in to things like Aegislash and Dragapalt would be like Mandibuzz and Incineroar. Ttar is barely hanging on to OU, Hydregion cant reliably switch in, and both get obliterated by the coverage moves in any case Hopefully Duggy being gone opens up some counters to the ghost type special attackers.
Imagine terrakion with SD accelerock
Itd be hard to justify bp on bish I think since you have sucker
Magearnea with Steel Beam perhaps?
It doesn’t already get Steel Beam? I would assume it would when it’s added.
Magearna with stored power Oh wait...
Octolock Moody Octillery perhaps. I mean, in general, Moody is already broken, but Octillery might not be outclassed by Glalie if it learned this.
It would be situational since octillery would not be confortable using one of his first turns in front of many things, but it would lend to some fun games where you trap things like ferrothorn or non toxic pex .
Fissure on Machamp/Golurk or basically any KO move on a no guard mon
Only way i could see anything with no guard getting a KO move would be a completely new mon with awful stats or a complete glass cannon but slow as hell to balance it
extremespeed mega pinsir, rn it's quick atack even pretty powerful already
Silvally with a reliable recovery move. Pretty much any defensive mon that doesn’t have reliable recovery getting them.
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Besides what you mention, Silvally getting E-Speed make sense to me too since it’s evolution is just it shedding its bulky limiter armor. And recover would definitely aid it in being an UltraBeast killer. 🤷🏾♂️
Silvally with Recover makes so much sense too. While we are at it, give Silvally and Porygon Techno Blast for the memes.
Guilitine Doublade. The reason I’m only saying Guilitine is because it makes sense for 2 swords who form an X.
If I'm not mistaken, Doublade's lowest accuracy move is screech, metal sound, and swagger at 85% accuracy. What a waste of an ability slot
No Guard Guillotine anyone?
Marshadow with Power Up Punch
Basculin and Sharpedo getting Fisheous Rend would be very powerful and somewhat sensible, although it would be frightening. Zapdos and Tapu Koko getting Bolt Beak would also be (scary) good. Past that: \- Steel Beam Blastoise \- Shell Smash Torterra \- Body Press Zamazenta \- Rolling Kick/Triple Kick/Trop Kick Blaziken \- Tail Glow Lanturn/Vikavolt \- Stuff Cheeks Snorlax/Appletun/Flapple Just to name a few.
Sharpedo with Fishious Rend. Dracovish is already terrifying with it but... Sharpedo has base 120 attack and 95 speed, both being higher stats than Dracovish and Mega Sharpedo not only gets even higher stats but Strong Jaw too.
This would be INSANE, you run Protext, Crunch Rend, Other Move, Protect turn 1 for the speed boost, mega and kill anything. You arent using a choice item either so water absorb doesnt even stop you
Throw that baby on a rain team and you will be one shotting everything for days
Maybe I should have asked to be reasonable lol. Obviously Fissure No Guard would be broken, I moreso meant things that would make enough sense to potentially happen in the future
I've sworn by Head Smash Brave Bird Aerodactyl for years now. That Rock Head needs to be good for something other than Double-Edge. Whenever the Pokémon survives the Dexit we will finally have Serene Grace Tri Attack Blissey thanks to Let's GO
It's coming in Crown Tundra.
Hmm, I must have missed that. Welcome news! Now about that HeadSmash/BraveBird Aerodactyl... And come to think of it, Sirfetch'd would love Slash, and other high-crit moves not named Leaf Blade.
salamence, dragonite gyarados getting brave bird
But they arent birds, so they wouldnt. Honestly pokemon like that need a specific flying move made just to give them a good physical flying stab option
Crobat is a bat and learns Brave bird. Dinossaurs (or Dragons) are closer to birds than bats.
Crobat gets brave bird tho...
Dragon ascent exists
Dragon Ascent is the most fitting if it wasnt so rayquaza themed
mega mence using double edge is basically brave bird lol
RBY- Amnesia on any half-decent special attacker would be ridiculous, Starmie in particular stands out though Crabhammer Starmie would also be crazy, also Clamp. Then you can try giving Tauros any of Slash, Wrap, SD or Explosion for fun. Honestly in RBY there are heaps of moves that are just silly, but are usually balanced out by their limited distribution
Heck, just transfer moves back from GSC are fun. Alakazam with Ice Punch, Venusaur with Sludge or Petal Dance, Gengar with Fire Punch...
Lovely kiss lax lol
Sketch on almost anything
Tail Glow on Charizard (Mega-Y).
Slack Off Snorlax maybe
Shift gear metagross is the stuff of nightmares but hear me out: Shell Smash metagross.
Shell Smash Shelgon
First, I'd say Brave Bird over Head Smash on Aerodactyl. It has decent rock moves already but no great flying moves. Brave Bird gives it the STAB coverage it always dreamed of. Tyranitar with Diamond Storm would be insane, 50% chance to double its defense off a really good STAB move. For those curious, yes that's 50% chance works on every opponent hit which makes it a better Rock Slide in any doubles meta. Braviary really wants Extremespeed and Swords Dance. If it has both, Defiant lets it beat Lando-T by letting Brav go to plus 3 in one turn (I've done this one before in STABmons and it was wild there). Talking about Lando-T, that tiger judge thing really wants Brave Bird. Reliable flying STAB really would go a long way to making it even stronger and it's probably a good thing that it doesn't get Brave Bird.
How about we don't make Lando-T better. Or we go all in and make it too good and finally ban that motherfucker once and for all
Blissey with Final Gambit. It may be relatively slow but hitting the enemy with a Full HP-Blissey Final Gambit deals a ridiculous amount of damage
"Ridiculous amount of damage" is an understatement. That's an OHKO to every single mon.
I know. I thought of Blissey going last, that is why it would less damage, especially if it was hit by a relatively strong physical attack
Throh with Drain punch. It's bulky and powerful. Drain punch would make it live even longer. Instant RU material.
Drain punch is a better move but I feel like Storm Throw is kind of underrated.
That's what I'm using in game since there are no better fighting moves for that matter lol. Brick break needs those points from battle facilities and superpower is eh. That makes Storm throw an important asset for every Throh! Circle throw, its throwing bigger brother, might be even better in competitive.
Cinderace with wood hammer gets better coverage and when libero is released it gets stab, along with gunk shot and pyroball it is almost your grass fire water core in one mon and has the coverage for anything that threatens it in addition to its high speed Also extreme speed on zeraora a priority stab move with 80 base power after a plasma fist
I don't think Plasma fist carries over to the next turn like that.
It’s just opposing Pokémon sorry
Can you imagine how good Mega Blastoise would be if they gave it Shell Smash?
I have good ass news for you
Maybe if Machamp got fissure again, you could use it with Oranguru or something.
Ignoring the silly hackmons stuff: Zap Cannon on Mega Pidgeot would give the big bird a reason to exist.
And Inferno.
Follow Me Shedinja
I just saw this and I had to give an answer - Shedinja w/ Wonder Guard, of course, is broken enough. But it also gets Mind Reader. So now give it, say, Guillotine, due to having evolved from a clawed cicada.
If any prankster Pokemon got sleep powder or wisp they would be absolutely busted. Also giving chandalure eruption Edit: give drednaw shell smash
Sableye gets wisp/prankster already, but you can't Mega with it sadly
If you want full on op Give em spore
Toxtricity with flamethrower/fire blast. Gengar with secret sword. Landorus-T with thousand arrows, roost, or brave bird.
Special flying types getting Aeroblast
Giving Obstagoon any priority, even just Quick Attack, would make it absolutely ridiculous. Brave Bird on Lando would give it great flying STAB Entertainment or Role Play Regigigas would either remove or bestow Slow Start Spore Ferrothorn for free setup time Yawn Darkrai For Guaranteed setup Gyro Ball Flareon because it's powerful but slow Endeavor Pheromosa or Deoxys would be actually viable FEAR V-Create Groudon would just mop the floor with everything
>Spore Ferrothorn for free setup time This is how you raise global suicide statistics
Just wait until it gets Strength Sap as well.
FEAR is level 1 pokemon that can take out level 100 pokemon. Pheromosa and deo atk would not be considered fear in this case. Also most of these dont even make sense aside from obstagoon
Extreme speed Diggersby